Thank you all for the love you have shown, I really appreciate it! 😊Note: No, I did not mention the first back pressure generated when the pressure wave reaches the divergent, which is responsible for creating some suction on the crankcase. I left that info out to make the video clean and simple (so everyone can understand it without being intimidating) and focus on the main pressure wave generated on the pipe!
@Mr.WellingtonVonDukeIII4 жыл бұрын
Nah man you cool
@Mr.WellingtonVonDukeIII4 жыл бұрын
Wtf
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
@@Mr.WellingtonVonDukeIII I'm busting my ass out laughing with your comments, you're a legend! xD
@richardkey42894 жыл бұрын
Good explanation, people always wonder about 2 stroke pipe shapes. It must have been a freaky idea , whomever first considered it back in the day
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
@@richardkey4289 Agree! 😂
@DarekNiemczyk4 жыл бұрын
I didn’t know Zlatan Ibrahimovic knows 2 stroke engines. 😜
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
Zlatan knows everything 😎
@didik8714 жыл бұрын
Lol
@Himal_Rulz4 жыл бұрын
At first glance i thought he looks like zalatan
@Kartraceone4 жыл бұрын
Clearly he doesn't
@maximilianklein90454 жыл бұрын
@@StepstoPodium no no... Zlatan is knowledge
@joshbroadbent95545 жыл бұрын
team 2 stroke for life honestly
@StepstoPodium5 жыл бұрын
👌😂😂💪😊
@kirkthepimp14 жыл бұрын
Im team both 2 stroke for wood and 4 stroke for track!!! If it’s got two wheels and knobs it’s a win for me ✊🏻
@chriswebb3834 жыл бұрын
That seems backwards lol
@huskyluva21804 жыл бұрын
Chris Webb idk 2 strokes a much easier to ride through tight tracks and hills, just abit more clutch work, but that’s quite easy, on track 4 strokes rip
@donniebaker59844 жыл бұрын
@@huskyluva2180 four strokes rip because two strokes where ban from racing on tracks ...since the night at the indy mile when kenny roberts won the indy on a TZ750 two stroke inline four cylinder yamaha that in stock tune made well over 150 horsepower compared to all the four strokes barley make 100 horsepower ..it is impossible for the same size four stroke naturally aspirated engine you ever make more horsepower than a same size naturally aspirated 2 stroke that's why they were banned from MotoGP and the dirt track if you can't beat the competition get rid of it that is how we do it today
@wilshirewarrior27833 жыл бұрын
In early days the exhaust pipe was also referred to as an “ extractor” and the smaller pipe at the end was the “stinger”. M/Cs sometimes came with narrow stinger openings to get more horsepower but it caused the power to fall off at low rpm so commonly the stinger was widened in diameter to get power at lower rpm and prevent a bike from ‘falling off the pipe” or losing power. There were no silencers when I stated racing.
@starwars6154 жыл бұрын
“It’s all about the length of the pipe” Facts
@donniebaker59844 жыл бұрын
There is no such thing as the legend of the pipe ..you have no facts at all and no concept of what an expansion chamber actually does as it it was explained to me by the team Honda Elsinore research and development program located in Milwaukee Wisconsin at American Honda training facility.. this was required by all Honda dealerships back in the seventies when Honda brought out the first of their two cycle Elsinore racing motorcycles as I was sent there by my dealership to learn all the technical aspects of 2 cycle Racing Engines
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
Sure it isn't! 😂 Thanks for the comment though, I appreciate you letting us know your experience on the matter! It must have been a great experience that seminar Honda USA did! Great to see that even back then companies invested in those kinds of events for their employees 😊
@goodbyemr.anderson50654 жыл бұрын
donnie baker who are you taking to?
@laurean59984 жыл бұрын
In short: “According to some asians, it is not about the length of the pipe“
@sethh15774 жыл бұрын
“It’s actually the technique” lmao
@thomasstark53813 жыл бұрын
I ice raced Mercury sno twisters in the mid seventies and the pipes on those machines where never duplicated. Mercury even had Tipsters as modifications to enhance rpm. How to cut and shorten for a given rpm. Very high tech at the time. I believe it was Les Cahoun that developed those pipes. A talented 2 stroke engineer that ended up at OMC in their engineering room. A book called 2 stroke tunrs handbook was our bible in the racing days of design and mods. Cool stuff !
@jacko44834 жыл бұрын
Just subscribed and I am looking forward to digging into more of your videos! Turning 60 this year means nothing to me, I have four 2 strokes, two enduros and two trials, and I feel like I'm 40! But I have no problem learning from younger people and you clearly know what you are talking about! Thank you for your commitment to providing such good information! Blessings from Colorado!🙏
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your comment and nice words!! I really appreciate it and I hope to see you around in thr comment section! 😃 Let me hear more about what you think about the videos 💪
@powerwagon37312 жыл бұрын
I’m turning 61, have multiple bikes including my new Beta 300 rr, from Colorado and feel 45 when I’m riding. Greetings from Buena Vista!
@andretorben99959 ай бұрын
When I was a young bloke I rode in a club, one day this old guy turned up on a WR Husky. I thought "were gonna a be hanging around waiting for this guy to catch up", well stuff me, he rode the ass off me and most of the other guys.
@salazam2 ай бұрын
lol old people
@donziperk4 жыл бұрын
Great to see you explain it so clearly. There is a mathematical formula for calculating length and shape of the pipe. I bought a book called The 2 Stroke Tuners Handbook 40 years ago and still use it. It has all the info for building pipes in it. I have built 3 and they all worked great. I checked Amazon that book is still available.
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
thank you, I appreciate it 😊 maybe I'll get it! it's such a complex subject, it's never too much knowledge lying around 😆😂
@sethbrown17633 жыл бұрын
Thank you! That was really clear and made it simple to understand. I once built an exhaust pipe for my 2 stroke and it wasn't easy! There was a very good book on improving 2 stroke performance and the exhaust pipe was a huge part of that. Sadly, I lost that book somewhere along life. :(
@StepstoPodium3 жыл бұрын
Im happy to hear that! I bet it wasn't but it sure was a good challenge, I imagine 💪
@geoffreymandzuk5708 Жыл бұрын
Likely " the 2 stroke tuners handbook by Gordon Jennings"
@33fastcar4 жыл бұрын
150+ psi, seal pipe on both ends. Torch the dents. If you have an air tight seal, the dents pop right out... Old dirt dog trick from the late 70's early 80's. If you do it right big dents can be repaired fairly easy. This really works! We did it on the worst of rainy days!
@mirofin3 жыл бұрын
You need to fix it with ice
@barryphillips73273 жыл бұрын
A good explanation to the black art of two stroke exhaust pipes.
@StepstoPodium3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching! 😊🙌
@jessa81311 ай бұрын
Thank you as a daughter who always annoyed her dad and brother with these questions this helped me understand why my kx 85 exhaust is shaped different from my klx 140
@rcracer6414 жыл бұрын
When the 2 stroke is running, after the exhaust gas is pushed out, some of the fresh fuel air mixture gets into the exhaust pipe and that is what is pushed back into the motor to charge the cylinder with more pressure.
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
exactly :)
@NjoyMoney4 жыл бұрын
@Nimbus Nimbus Not really, the video kinda implied that the gas beeing pushed back is already combusted gas, there wasnt a mention of fresh mixture escaping the cylinder and that beeing pushed back. It might just be a language barrier thing :P
@NjoyMoney4 жыл бұрын
@Nimbus Nimbus No he didnt? He didnt say it was fresh mixture that escaped the cylinder, he used the exact same icon for them as the icons for the exhaust. Implying its combusted gases that get pushed back in. Not my fault if you are not mechanically inclined
@NjoyMoney4 жыл бұрын
@Nimbus Nimbus Its a smoke icon, explain why unburnt air and fuel would represented with a smoke icon? U are dense mate.
@NjoyMoney4 жыл бұрын
@Nimbus Nimbus Also give me the timestamp where it says new air fuel mixture escapes the cylinder.
@motorsrotors21274 жыл бұрын
Very comprehensive video my guy. It's rare to find such high quality info, and graphics from such a small channel. Keep it up!
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! I really appreciate it! 😊💪 Next week I'm uploading a mega video about suspensions so don't forget to subscribe 😆😉
@kingcosworth26434 жыл бұрын
Another factor is the length of the divergent and convergent sections help broaden the usable rev range. as the convergent gradually contracts it is sending a positive sound wave back the whole time, weaker, but broader. This means it will reach the exhaust port over a wider rpm range, but it's peak wave pressure, and thus the engines comp ratio will be less than a more aggressive angled convergent section, same goes for the divergent section except reflecting a negative pulse for scavenging.
@macattack90414 жыл бұрын
It’s curved bc it can’t go straight. Got it bro.
@williamnottbusch80244 жыл бұрын
I use to race shifter karts and jet skis in my younger days. Temperature also affects the speed of the sonic wave. A rich or lean mixture will change the exhaust gas temperature and the tuning within the pipe. On our jet skis we would inject water into the pipe at various places and this would change the powerband due to the temperature change. We also used what were called center bleed pipes were the exhaust would exit out of the side of the cone. Didn’t affect power but made packaging easier. Lots of interesting theories on expansion chambers.
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
Nice! Thanks for the info! It's amazing how specific the technologies can get in the various motorsports!
@EarthSurferUSA Жыл бұрын
Yep, the difference in the sound wave speed is because of differing exhaust gas temps, as the sound wave does travel a bit faster through hotter gasses. If your pipe and porting are tuned fairly well together, on normal pipes to me (not water injected), you can wrap the pipe with some pipe wrap insulation, for hotter gasses in the pipe and usually gain some top rpm.
@-Maxim-904 жыл бұрын
Wow, 15 years ago when i was riding a moped i told my father that a good exhaust is important for a 2 stroke,but i never knew why. He told me its better when the air just flew out without a pipe. Thats maybe truth for a 4 stroke. Now i know why its better with exhaust. Thanks for the good video, cheers.
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
I'm glad I could bring some enlightenment after all these years! :P I really appreciate the comment, thank you! :)
@makantahi37314 жыл бұрын
no, 4s engine has bigger power with just good header(4-1) than without anything(engine masters)
@fauzanramadhan90463 жыл бұрын
It's really crazy to think, how just change the exhaust system can completely change both the power and the torque in the 2 stroke engine
@michaelbrinks80893 жыл бұрын
I figured the bulb part of the pipe would be closer to the exhaust port , instead of 1/2 way down the pipe.
@BruceLee-xn3nn Жыл бұрын
Not only 2 strokes and not only bikes
@specialtymachining4 жыл бұрын
My Dad mentioned this to me back in the 1970's, but now I understand the dynamics. Thank you!
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
I'm glad I could help! thank you for watching! 😊
@JunkyardDigs4 жыл бұрын
Science 🤘
@radowane1013 жыл бұрын
Biatche lol
@H.EL-Othemany3 жыл бұрын
Fuck yeahh
@gmx04133 жыл бұрын
@@radowane101 ahhh you said it for me
@aaron713 ай бұрын
Wow, thanks for such a clear explanation without taking forever to do it! Now I get why 2 strokes need back pressure whereas 4 strokes don't (or as much).
@mowerdog4 жыл бұрын
It's not to increase the compression. It's to reclaim some of the raw fuel that escapes the cylinder during scavaging. CORRECTION. ... What I should have said was you can stuff " force " more air and fuel into the cylinder which can result in higher pressures and possibly more horsepower. However the compression ratio never changes.
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
I understand what you mean by that, but it's a matter of perspective. If there was no expansion chamber, there would be no fuel escaping the cylinder due to scavenging (partly created by the expansion chamber) :)
@MisterFurious714 жыл бұрын
Which adds compression...
@mareksumguy18874 жыл бұрын
Steps to Podium I’m pretty sure a considerable portion of inlet charge (fresh fuel and air) would still be wasted out the exhaust port(s), even if there was no pipe.
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
@@mareksumguy1887 Probably, yeah!
@mowerdog4 жыл бұрын
I left out the word "ratio" on my first post which is my mistake. What I should have said was you can stuff "force" more air and/or fuel into the cylinder which can result in higher pressures and possibly more horsepower. However the compression ratio never changes.
@MartyZaluski4 жыл бұрын
This is incredible info. I've been riding for 30 years, and just now learned why the power band comes on at a tight RPM range. Thank you!
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
I'm glad I could help! I appreciate it 😁
@TD402dd4 жыл бұрын
That is more commonly called an expansion chamber, but it also causes the power to have a narrower band. My friends used to say it was like a turbo charger coming on suddenly. For the average rider this can be very unnerving. For the others it gives a thrill to hold on tight and keep the front end down. My dirt bike had it, and my Yamaha RD400 had two, with the effect almost better than sex.
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
"with the effect almost better than sex." - best way to finish any positive opinion about anything xD
@APHEXSHAMAN4 жыл бұрын
Finally. KZbin content actually worth watching.
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
thank you so much for that!!! 😀
@MAsWorld14 жыл бұрын
Excellent clear and detailed explanation!! I’ve been wondering how this worked for decades!! Thankyou👍🏻
@impalaSS654 жыл бұрын
Very complex subject, this explanation managed to at least touch on the major points. Most important being the fixed pipelength = fixed rpm peak or a trade off necessary - the graph showed it well. Well done! .
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
thank you very much! I'm really glad you could appreciate the time and knowledge put into the video to explain it in a simple way 😉😀
@darrelllatham60864 жыл бұрын
And that "perfect" comp & rpm range is what we old guys refer to as "getting on the pipe". Nothing else like it. From 50cc to 500cc, 2 strokes can be a blast.
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
amen to that!👌
@AC-bl1rl4 жыл бұрын
HAHA!! I've nearly gotten friends in trouble in front of their parents for saying that. "oh yeah, we came around the corner and got on the pipe" or hit the pipe, and they thought we were smoking something. Just tires on the street, or roostin!
@AnthonyLopez-dj4lf4 жыл бұрын
I’ve been wanting to know this for the longest time
@mc19964 жыл бұрын
Ah...a bela pronúncia portuguesa sobre o inglês :D Não engana! Não conhecia o canal, muito interessante.
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
Obrigado! 😉
@ruifreitas4084 жыл бұрын
Muito bom!!
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
Muito obrigado Rui! 😊
@ChocoFreak666004 жыл бұрын
@@StepstoPodium Bem me parecia que eras tuga XD XD XD assim como o M Cunha não conhecia o canal... Big Props
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
@@ChocoFreak66600 o que vem de Portugal tbm é muito bom 😆😂 grande abraço e muito obrigado! 😊
@Tim5424 жыл бұрын
Whilst i ride them...ive never asked myself why they are shaped like that. Thanks!!! Very helpful and well explained.
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
knowledge is power! 😆 Now you're going to look at your bike and question everything 😂😂 thank you so much! I really appreciate it 😊💪
@moparone79624 жыл бұрын
They're shaped that way so you have to buy a new pipe every time you smash a log.
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
👌😂😂😂
@lalilulelo19893 жыл бұрын
heat gun + air compressor 😏 But make sure to secure the plugs and be careful. Slow and steady. Edit: Actually I might have used a torch. It was a long time ago!
@JetSkiBuyFixPlaySellChannel3 жыл бұрын
They should use rave valves / power valves like jet skis. Then you wouldn't need the complex curves.
@moparone79623 жыл бұрын
@@lalilulelo1989 yeah, I do that sometimes. I wear my full riding gear when I do, had a plug shoot out at mach 3 before, haha.
@Sanguine_Addiction3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video! Definitely a must see for any two stroke enthusiast.
@StepstoPodium3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! 😀 take a look at the suspension videos if you are interested in that topic as well 😁🙌
@temp_uura3 жыл бұрын
Esse sotaque portugues nao engana ninguem ahahah. Subscrito! Adorei o conteúdo e a explicação direta ao assunto.
@StepstoPodium3 жыл бұрын
💪💪💪
@peterkang7640 Жыл бұрын
Great information bro! I just bought a used Goped gas scooter and it’s 2 stroke. I was thinking about making a rhino/snail shaped exhaust but didn’t know how it works. This helps!
@saeednote73774 жыл бұрын
gases when travel at speeds lower than sonic, their pressure increases when the cross section area of passway increases and their velocity decreases, and viceversa
@neilpincus46674 жыл бұрын
Correct. A bit of fresh mixture will end up in the header pipe but the return wave shoves it back in just before the port closes. The sound wave helps the pressure wave.
@daytonwintle60514 жыл бұрын
It’s opposite. You’re referring to the Venturi effect, when the cross sectional area increases, the velocity increases and the pressure decreases.
@josepeixoto33844 жыл бұрын
saeed note ---- what? you got it wrong?
@Goldenfightinglink4 жыл бұрын
Jeez, hours of watching "fuel, air, spark" when it's "fuel, air, compression, spark". Never knew I needed a proper fit to get that back pressure, thank you!
@faustin2894 жыл бұрын
Another reason: they look fricking cool!
@c.a.marsupial.1282 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. I'll subscribe. I owned the first Elsinore 125 back in the early seventies and now I know why it had such a beautiful big exhaust.
@werdevo65 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the good learn on 2 stroke exhaust systems!🙂
@StepstoPodium5 жыл бұрын
thank you for watching and giving feedback! I appreciate it 😊
@ANDREVDJMIKELI4 жыл бұрын
I think this must be the best video ever made to explain how it works or how to escape from a 2-stroke bike. Thanks !
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
thank you so much for that! 😁😁💪
@desertbrewcrew19744 жыл бұрын
I actually learned something!! Like my taste in women, more compact and lots of curves. EXCELLENT
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
I'm glad I could help! 😊 and damn good comment! 😂😂😂😂
@CrossWindsPat Жыл бұрын
First time I drove a banshee was a modded one and wow it was legit like a turbo. So much fun!
@vitor26marques5 жыл бұрын
Parabéns pelo excelente trabalho que tens feito... Espero e desejo que o crescimento do canal seja proporcional à tua dedicação.... Um grande abraço...
@StepstoPodium5 жыл бұрын
Um enorme obrigado Vítor 👐 é bom saber que quem vê os vídeos tem a noção do trabalho e dedicação por detrás dos vídeos 💪💪 grande abraço!
@conrapal54083 жыл бұрын
My gosh! how simple you make it! Congrats!
@StepstoPodium3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! 💪💪💪
@NjoyMoney4 жыл бұрын
2 strokes get so much extra power from a performance exhaust compared to stock, its crazy :D
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
True indeed! 😁
@tyroniousyrownshoolacez23473 жыл бұрын
Zappa goes technical! Well done, thanks for sharing.
@StepstoPodium3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching! 💪
@wrestle2593 жыл бұрын
Walter Kaaden was responsible for the tech originally which came directly from the development of the V1 pulse jet flying bombs from WW2. Fascinating story
@yordyiam4 жыл бұрын
The clever here is the way everything is explained. (Without falling asleep) 👌
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
thank you soooo much! I really appreciate it 😀💪
@Espinete874 жыл бұрын
quick and interesting, thumbs up! i had a gasgas 250 enduro, and made dent, so... you answered a question that was in my mind almost 10 years XD
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
thank you! I appreciate it! 😊 well, better late than never 😂
@TomBartram-b1c4 жыл бұрын
Having watched several longer vids that left me none the wiser, finly crackled it. Thanks .. muito obrigadu!
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
thank you for watching! I'm glad I could help! 😊😊
@bruceparr16784 жыл бұрын
Walter Kaaden, the man that invented the expansion chamber, said that when you get the perfect shape for the expansion chamber, it will not fit on the bike.
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@markwiley15383 жыл бұрын
Bernoulli Principal is everywhere, great explanation! Thank you.
@Luftbubblan4 жыл бұрын
Think i missed something in this video haha, ended up asking my self more questions. I learned something new today doe so tyvm for the video.
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
more knowledge always leads to more questions, so you're on the right path 😉 thank you! 😊
@donniebaker59844 жыл бұрын
@@StepstoPodium almost cause you are close but not on the right path of the purpose for an expansion chamber ....its not about exhaust "back pressure" its all about the reflecting of sound waves traveling back to the exhaust port to seal in the boost pressure created in the crankcase ..the amount of fuel/air mixture you claim is being pushed back into the combustion chamber and to create higher compression has every little effect at all ...the higher compression was already created in the crankcase from naturally aspirated atmospheric pressure draft in the crankcase and then compressed by the Piston to higher than atmospheric pressure then transferred by the Boost Ports into the combustion chamber where it is compressed again before it is fired off
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
Dude...... A sound wave IS a pressure wave. and no, the amount of boost that comes in through the reed valves isn't only from the crankcase, but also from suction created by a negative relative pressure created by the pipe (I explained on the pinned comment with I didn't include that part on the video). Look it up please.
@markschlehr69114 жыл бұрын
Very good explanation. Static compression is low but when running, the dynamic compression will be high due to the pipe pushing gases back into the cylinder. But it's not just exhaust gases, the intake charge will also start to escape out the cylinder into the pipe until the return wave pushes it back into the cylinder. Consequently, the volume of an expansion chamber increases the amount of intake charge that can be stored and pushed back into the cylinder.
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
I appreciate it and thank you for the bit of extra information! 😊
@vflinck13244 жыл бұрын
Lets say i would ride a 2 stroke withouth a silencer would it lose lots of power
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
silencer or expansion chamber? without the silencer it would do a loooot of noise. without the expansion chamber, it would do a lot of noise and lose a lot of power 😂😂
@vflinck13244 жыл бұрын
@@StepstoPodium so I've been thinking about a aprilia rs 125 stunt bike and i thought i could take off the silencer and put a db killer at the end of the expansion chamber so it wouldn't be so loud and this is because the silencer gets destroyed every time I fall
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
@@vflinck1324 you will affect the performance of the pipe and the performance of the engine if you do that!
@ginettaclark23874 жыл бұрын
Depend, if the espansion chamber is designed to work whithout silencer, adding a silencer will reduce power
@bonkeydollocks18794 жыл бұрын
@@ginettaclark2387 all bikes have silencers after expansion chamber
@HAL-19844 жыл бұрын
Well explained and concise, your english is also excellent, better than many English people!
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! I really appreciate that! I take as a huge compliment! 😊😊😊💪💪
@deborahchesser73754 жыл бұрын
It’s hard to beat a light two stroke in the tight woods
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
true that!! 👌
@donniebaker59844 жыл бұрын
Unless you are built like scott sumer was when he won the GNCC on a 1996 Honda XR600R that weigh over 300 pounds wet and when you kill it and crash you will kick it till you see stars before it will ever restart ...but ok scott didnt crash much at all , until one day he tried to battle it out with my friend's son who ran scott sumer off a cliff life lining scott to a hospital and costing team honda the GNCC championship for the year...the boy who did in sumer was Samson team rider and importer for TM off road dirt bikes
@deborahchesser73754 жыл бұрын
donnie baker I used to watch him muscle that hog around
@deborahchesser73754 жыл бұрын
donnie baker The TM’s, that’s cool, never in my price range, but an EC300 with those gorgeous blue rims? Oh yeh, I’d love to give that a home.
@josepeixoto33844 жыл бұрын
@@deborahchesser7375 miss that *a lot...*
@jisooo-fx8sx Жыл бұрын
Ive been looking for this kind of video. Finally my questions are answered, thank you bro your video is very informative!!
@StepstoPodium Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear that! Thank you for watching 🙌😄
@charlesmanning58194 жыл бұрын
Two strokes pips are called a tuned expansion chamber
@intothevoid50273 жыл бұрын
The YPVS really helped the RZ 350s get some low end torque, and with a set of good pipes and pistons and reed valves and head work you could fly.
@copisetic11044 жыл бұрын
Read prof Blair two stroke book. You have it partly wrong, when the exhaust wave hits the end of the primary pipe or header and hits the first diffuser there is a wave that returns to the exhaust port with a negative sign and helps extract more incoming charge thru the engine, it will pull a negative wave all the way back to the inlet port of the engine. In a well tuned engine I have seen negative and positive pressures over 7lbs and higher, the header length, diffuser and baffle cones will change the character of the engine. The tuning of the “stinger” will effect the temperature at the piston and effective rpm.
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
I know I didnt explain every single detail about the difuser, it was meant to keep it simple and informative for about 90%. Sometimes if you go too much into detail, you loose the big picture, but I might do a video just for the 2 stroke! Nonetheless I really appreciate leaving a comment with your feedback, and surely everyone reading the comments do as well 😊😉 I will read it! thanks for that info! 😊
@sergeykiz17284 жыл бұрын
i was always very confused and curious how this pipe works and why it looks like this, thank you for explaining so simply!
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate it! thank you for leaving a comment 😊
@wawaron14074 жыл бұрын
I learn...
@agie170hss24 жыл бұрын
To add a bit more detail to StepsToPodium’s explanations - I’ll offer a bit more information: A 2-stroke engine’s exhaust pipe can really be looked at as providing 2 different ways that it “functions”: one is sonic/acoustic, and the other is pressure/volume (look up “Helmholtz resonance” to learn more about the latter one). The shape of the divergent and convergent cones (that is: including angle, length, diameter) *primarily* determine the acoustic/sonic function of the exhaust pipe (and of course effect the total volume of the exhaust pipe). The “negative pressure” (as the sound wave from a single exhaust opening event travels down the exhaust pipe) is caused by the cross-sectional increase in area of the divergent cone. The angle of this cone, and its position relative to the piston face, are the primary considerations of the dimensions and design. Similarly, the convergent cone “reflects” that acoustic wave back in the opposite direction, and its shape/angle/length/position determine the timing/strength and duration of that reflected wave. Focusing almost entirely on the sonic/acoustic portion of the exhaust… what wasn’t mentioned, is that the port timing (position of the exhaust and transfer points relative to top dead center and each other) - typically measured in degrees - is the primary driver of the design of the exhaust pipe, at least when it comes to angles and lengths (there are other items I will ignore for now). For the moment, let’s assume that the crankshaft is rotating at a very stable rate (crank speed actually varies slightly *through* the stroke). For example, let’s say the engine is rotating at 6000 rpm. That’s 100 rotations per second or 10 milliseconds per turn. For sake of simplicity, let’s say the exhaust port in our imaginary engine opens at 90 degrees after TDC, and the transfer ports open at 120 degrees after TDC. Now we get to the interesting part - when the exhaust port opens, a sonic wave begins to travel down the exhaust pipe. The exhaust pipe could have a straight/consistent header diameter or have a slight taper. Regardless of its shape, we can look at the shape/angle/cross-section of the first portion of the exhaust pipe (from the flange on the cylinder, all the way to where the divergent cone reaches its maximum diameter) as being the portion that creates the “negative pressure wave” (primarily due to the increase in cross section). As that “wave” continues traveling down the exhaust pipe, it encounters the “convergent” cone, and as the cross section begins to decrease, a “reflection” reverses the direction of a good portion of that wave and sends it back toward the cylinder. In this very simplified example, we have 30 degrees of crank rotation from exhaust port opening to transfer port opening, and at least as importantly: 150 degrees of crank rotation from exhaust opening to transfer port closing, and 180 degrees crank rotation from exhaust opening to exhaust closing. So at 10 milliseconds for a full turn of the crank at 6000 rpm, we have .833 m/s from exhaust opening to transfer opening, 4.166 m/s from exhaust opening to transfer closing, and 5 milliseconds from exhaust opening to exhaust closing. These numbers ONLY apply at 6000 rpm, and this is a SUPER-simplified example. So, if we know the speed of sound (more on that in a minute), we can calculate “roughly” what the distance should be from the piston face to maybe the center of the rear/convergent cone, and back to the piston face for the convergent cone to be somewhat close to “in tune” (correct distance from the piston) at 6000 rpm. Many people have an idea that the speed of sound is around 750 mph or 1100 ft/sec, which holds true at around 70 degrees. Those numbers are way off for an exhaust pipe though, because the speed of sound increases dramatically with temperature. Of course the temperature varies in an exhaust pipe, constantly cooling as it expands and travels down the pipe. Let’s just throw a nice easy number at it, and say the mean exhaust temperature is 500 degrees F. Now the speed of sound is about 1520 ft/sec. Using the above numbers (once again: only as a rough example, simply to illustrate the concept), We have 5 milliseconds from exhaust opening to exhaust closing, and at 1520 ft/sec, that equals a distance of 7.6 feet. Of course we can divide that by 2 since the sound wave is traveling “out and back”, which gives us a distance of 3.6 feet from piston face to say… the middle of the convergent cone (and in reality, measuring a bit closer to the small end of the convergent cone may be more accurate). As can be seen, this is only one value, at one rpm, at one port timing, and at one mean exhaust temperature. A 2-stroke exhaust pipe has to be designed to work not only through a usable rpm range, but also “in concert” with other engine characteristics that go in and out of tune through the rpm range! It does no good at all to optimize an exhaust pipe for 6000 rpm if the port timing is far better suited to higher rpm, or of the volume of the crankcase works especially well in a certain rpm range, or if the intake length is tuned for a certain rpm, etc. etc. And… I have only been talking about lengths/distances and ONLY to the rear/convergent cone. (These comments don’t even touch on what happens in the header section and the divergent/front cone -- that could easily be another message as long or longer than this one.) Exhaust pipe volume, header diameter and length, stinger diameter and length, type/flow of silencer…. ALL those items add into the equation of building an exhaust pipe. Additionally, 2-stroke engines have many engine components and settings that go in and out of tune through the rpm range, and the exhaust pipe has to be designed to not only work best for a specific use, but work “in concert” with other setting and tuning parameters in the engine. None of the above even begins to discuss port timing or blowdown, ignition timing, combustion chamber shape and volume, roof angles of the ports, port “layout” (where each port is “aimed” within the cylinder), crankcase volume, tuned frequency of the intake tract and reed valves (assuming it’s a reed valve engine, which is the most common in 2-strokes), type of fuel, rpm range the engine will be run at, conditions/altitude where the engine will be run…. and many other items. Tuning a 2-stroke engine (or building an exhaust pipe for said engine) is an endless sequence of compromises. There is no “one perfect exhaust pipe”, nor is there any other “one perfect setting” for the items mentioned above. Many books have been written on exhaust pipe “theory”, and to be honest… the best tuners do a lot of cutting and welding and testing. The math simply does not always match up. Suffice to say that… 2-stroke exhaust pipe design is most definitely NOT a “precise science”!
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the info and for not being a complete dick while addressing that (like many others have). I really appreciate the time you put into leaving this comment and thank you for complementing the info on the video! I wish more people were like you ! 😊
@donniebaker59844 жыл бұрын
Agie 170hss , all that and not one mention that two strokes are self supercharging making their own internal boost above atmospheric pressure producing much more horsepower per cubic inch at a compounding rate the faster it spins up ...
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
@@donniebaker5984 Did you take that from Wikipedia? 😂Don't lie to me now 😉
@agie170hss24 жыл бұрын
@@donniebaker5984 Donnie, Crankcase pressure (what you refer to as “boost”) does not “compound” with rpm. There have been tests done on a variety of 2-cycle engines using ultra-high-speed pressure transducers in the crankcase, and while crankcase pressure absolutely *does* vary through the rpm range (and of course through each 360 degrees of crankcase rotation), it generally falls into the range of 0.7 bar to about 1.4 bar using an optimized tuned exhaust pipe. What crankcase compression does have is a “sweet spot” where the tuned frequency of the items that effect it (intake tract flow and inertia, crankcase tuned frequency, and of course exhaust pipe design) most closely are “in concert”. Air acts like a spring... and intake, crankcase and exhaust pipe all respond to the mass of the air and the spaces that contain it… no different than blowing into a bottle to create a tone. The “crankcase compression ratio” has finite limits as to what can be accomplished. Your explanation of how a 2-cycle engine functions is quite valid, up until about the mid-1970’s. This is when Morbidelli (an Italian furniture manufacturer that also built and raced GP motorcycles) discovered that a considerably larger-volume exhaust pipe of correct angles and proportions could draw much more air/fuel mixture into the exhaust pipe (and push it back into the cylinder with the reflected sonic wave) than could be accomplished with primary crankcase compression alone. This can be done because when the transfer ports are open, there is a direct connection from the exhaust pipe to the crankcase. (in other words, one could actually pull a string from the intake tract, through the crankcase, up the transfer passages and into the cylinder, out the exhaust port and into the exhaust pipe). Morbidelli was the first to "focus" on that period of time within the stroke that the transfer ports are open -- and *capitalize* on the connection between exhaust pipe and crankcase. Primary crankcase compression has finite limits - it not physically possible to make a very high crankcase compression ratio since there has to be “space” in the crankcase for the piston and rod to move, and also for a reed cage (as most modern 2-stroke engines use), as well as transfer passages and the space inside the piston. An interesting investigation into any 2-stroke engine is to “cc the volume” of the crankcase (fill it with fluid to accurately measure the volume) both at Top dead center and at Bottom dead center. What gets discovered very quickly is that primary (i.e. crankcase) compression ratio will only take an engine’s performance to a certain level. Morbidelli’s “discovery” of actually increasing crankcase volume (effectively *lowering* the crankcase compression ratio), but doing so in unison with the correct exhaust pipe design and intake/crankcase design… allowed a significant jump in performance. (Morbidelli dominated for a season or two as other manufacturers caught up). Very simply, what changed was that instead of using the exhaust pipe to “push back in” any air/fuel mixture that had “leaked out” of the exhaust port…… the new approach was to intentionally design the crankcase, porting, and exhaust pipe to “draw” much more air/fuel mixture into the cylinder *and* exhaust pipe than the primary crankcase compression ratio could “push” into the upper part off the cylinder. The focus shifted away from crankcase compression - TO crankcase and port flow plus larger-volume exhaust pipe design. - I should note that there was one exception to the “limitation” of primary/crankcase compression ratio: In the mid-70’s (as I recall), an Italian go-kart engine manufacturer built an engine with a “stepped” piston and bore. In other words: the piston displaced 100cc in the combustion chamber (as was within the rules), but the piston and bore were larger at the base of the piston. I don’t remember exactly how large it was, but as one could envision… this provided what was essentially a 100cc engine with a “crankcase pump” of something like 150cc. The engine was mechanically “clumsy”, and difficult to manufacture (not to mention having a very heavy piston). The idea was dropped fairly quickly and also banned in within the rules of kart racing. Obviously much has happened in 2-stroke design since the mid-70’s, however Morbidelli’s move away from relying on crankcase “pumping” is surely one of - if not THE - most significant changes in 2-stroke design over the last 50 years. The other very significant design change (IMO) has to do with the aiming of transfer ports, however this was more of an “evolution” over a number of years starting in the mid-90’s or so… and I would not consider this as important as what Morbidelli inspired. There have of course been other “tweaks” along the way, such as the “boost bottle” someone else mentioned (which is a method to shift the rpm of the “tuned frequency” of the crankcase). Fine tuning of intake tract, reed valves, port design, and exhaust pipe design have brought us to quite impressive performance levels over the years!
@thejeepdoctor4 жыл бұрын
Hense the name expansion chamber. 😉
@user-vp1sc7tt4m3 жыл бұрын
Expansion=cooling=reduction in pressure=minimize back pressure
@fredgarvinMP4 жыл бұрын
I now fully understand what "on the pipe" means. Thank you!
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
I'm glad I could help! thanks for watching! 😊
@stevenleininger56824 жыл бұрын
And I thought it was just to tell the difference between 2 and 4 strokes.
@craigcp7455Ай бұрын
Thank you for teaching me my biggest passion!
@Freaki914 жыл бұрын
You missed something. Gnarly vs fatty maybe in a new video :)?
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
in this video I didn't mean to compare specific brands/products, but yes, maybe for a next video! 😊
@jaredalexander34034 жыл бұрын
Yes that would be awesome
@cprendon33 жыл бұрын
Great visual and explanation of the body of the expansion chamber exhaust. There is one more part that has a major effect on the performance of the engine and that is the Stinger, length and diameter.
@mr.houdini67014 жыл бұрын
You look like Zlatan Ibrahimovic.
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
I've been told 😂😂
@mrgundersen31174 жыл бұрын
A vegan zlatan....
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
that, I haven't been told 😐😂
@mrgundersen31174 жыл бұрын
Don't feel bad... Zlatan is a big dude!
@mrgundersen31174 жыл бұрын
And I don't think there is such a thing as a two stroke lovning vegan.. 😀
@charliecharliecharliecharl8554 Жыл бұрын
multi cylinder Two stroke exhaust systems are a work of art blending that power together
@cyborg60084 жыл бұрын
Dude thank you. I couldn’t this anywhere. Thanks for the great work and animation was super helpful!!!
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
I'm really glad I could help! Thank you so much for the comment and for the good words 😀👌💪
@socks24414 жыл бұрын
if i have a few minor dents in the fat part of the pipe, along with some cracks. and i brazed them up badly with the oxy acetalene torch before it ran out of gas. still leaving a small leak. how much does this affect performance? the dents are still there, it still leaks a little. and adding that extra thickness to the metal etc does that affect the vibrations/ harmony of the pipe etc?
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
it depends on how big the dents are. if they are relatively small, they won't affect much, but the leak is a lot more serious because that affects the pressure inside the pipe and will affect the pressure wave created to push the air fuel mixture back inside!
@richardkey42894 жыл бұрын
That leak will cause disruptions in exhaust flow, probably more than rouble than the dents; I have ridden bikes w,/ bad dents, but not super noticeable, however a,crack or leak causes pops, bangs, hiccups, throttle stuttering, ect. Get that shit fixed! Best wishes
@justtim73344 жыл бұрын
Back in the 60's my first bike was a 1957 Zudapp 250 Super Sabre.. It was a great machine. I sure wish I had it now.
@thomasgorecki132111 ай бұрын
Great videos. Can you do a video on lubrication of the 2-stroke when there is the new direct fuel injection? How does the bottom end get oil in that case?
@davidschmidt60134 жыл бұрын
Great channel, just found it tonight. I used to ride a Yamaha 400 Enduro back home in the states. Now I live over here in Thailand where the bike drivers are COMPLETELY NUTS! I would like to get a little bike to putt around on but the situation here is too dangerous, now that I have a little one. But I enjoy your channel, and I'll watch more in the future. Keep up the great work!!
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the kind words, I really appreciate it! 😊 Good luck there! Hopefully they don't get crazier than they already are 😅😅😂
@wsmaga4 жыл бұрын
Very good information, I’m glad you included moped/scooter pipes.
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
thanks! 😊
@250txc Жыл бұрын
Great! What about that ending cone area of the pipe as it tapers off into the stinger component, maybe the last 8-10" of the pipe ..
@Gazanova853 ай бұрын
Best explanation by far 👌
@TheBandit76133 жыл бұрын
Thanks. How does exhaust shape affect the power valve? Another video in the making?
@StepstoPodium3 жыл бұрын
Yeeeeeeessss
@177SCmaro4 жыл бұрын
4 stroke headers work in a similar way but are more forgiving since they have an exhaust valve. If the reflected wave is timed right it can help pull exhaust gases out and even help to pull intake change in during valve overlap.
@177SCmaro3 жыл бұрын
@@devilselbow At the collector, yes. I'm referring to at the exhaust port. At the collector the negative pressure "tail" of one pulse can help "pull" the positive pressure pulse of an adjoining cylinder if timed correctly. As you probably already know this is referred to as "scavaging". The intake side also benefits from pressure wave timing by helping to "push" more air into the cylinder and it's also why on "racing" cams there is so much overlap as it allows both the intake and exhaust system pulses to "talk to" each other but only in a certain rpm range. That's why they tend to have a rough idle. At low rpm with a lot of overlap you are creating a vacume leak when the intake and exhaust are both open on an intake stroke the piston is trying to pull from both intake and exhaust systems at the same time, which explains why engine vacume goes down with "big" cams. A lot going on.
@ask_fornature40123 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video, however I have one thought. How come the high pressure wave manage to push air and fuel mixture back in to the cylinder at the cylinder end of the diverging/converging pipe, but let exhaust gases through at the muffler end of the pipe?
@tuomas27893 жыл бұрын
Im not sure but try to imagine this. The exhaust gasses are flowing away from the engine the whole time, but but the pressure just increases within the gas and the pressure travels back up the bike. So no gas is going backwards and forwards its just the pressure. Not sure about that buy seems like it could be a reasonable answer
@risdarputra947120 күн бұрын
Can you please explain the waving sound from the exhaust when the engine revved or during engine break?
@mikeguitarification3 жыл бұрын
Great information, explained in a simple to understand manner. Thanks.
@StepstoPodium3 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear that! Thank you! 💪🙌
@ni3walia3153 жыл бұрын
Thank you I really appreciate it. will you tell me how to built own chember , measurements n all ?
@StepstoPodium3 жыл бұрын
It depends a lot on the application 🙁
@franktaylor76174 жыл бұрын
There's a lot of tuning involved in building a chamber. Once it's set for a particular motor it's easier to replicate. My RG has 4 different chambers and the stinger (section before the silencer) length is different from one set to the other. All has to be taken into consideration during the build. This was an interesting and simple explanation of how the chambers work. 👍
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
There is so much more to it than what I talked about, but for simplicity sake, I kept the maximum knowledge without making it to complicated for the average Joe to understand! There is thermodynamics to consider, resonance throughout the rev range, the valves, etc.., but that would be a lot more specific from each and every case. Thank you and I really appreciate the comment! :)
@franktaylor76174 жыл бұрын
@@StepstoPodium I agree. Exhaust valves, heat factor and so much more. I'm only good enough to be dangerous with a chamber build/modification.😁 It's really hard to explain to someone that has no idea what you're talking about. My coworkers eyes glaze over quickly when I start talking two strokes.😆
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
@@franktaylor7617 I perfectly understand you! 😂 At least you can show them this video so they can look at you in a less alien like way 😆😂😂😂
@richardkey42894 жыл бұрын
Your bike has a crazy set of pipes.a buddy from school had an RG 500, Iit was a hi tech war machine! ( someone stole it at night downtown )
@franktaylor76174 жыл бұрын
@@richardkey4289 Thanks. They were Jolly Moto's. We modified them to fit the Honda chassis and swapped out the aluminum cans for carbons. It was a very low budget project but in spite if that, it came out really nice. I've changed very little from the original setup.
@mrcolin0014 жыл бұрын
Finally... a gr8 explanation
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
thank you! ❤
@cmgray742 жыл бұрын
Wonderful video! What would happen if you get hole in the pipe. Say a centimeter in size. Would bike have trouble running or starting?
@StepstoPodium2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!! It would definitely have issues running and even starting, but it would depend a lot on where it would be as well
@bwc1533 жыл бұрын
When there is a leak between the cylinder and exhaust pipe, where it's common to see a bit of oil seeping out of, is it also quite possible that this gap is in turn sucking air back into the engine too, leaning out the mixture then?
@StepstoPodium3 жыл бұрын
Exactly! It just recently happened to me and I immediately noticed a decrease in performance
@bwc1533 жыл бұрын
@@StepstoPodium Thanks for the response! I had been trying to troubleshoot my 2-stroke Paramotor's Moster 185 tendency to run lean even when the carb was set to richer than factory-recommended settings, and had initially ignored a small bit of oil seepage between the cylinder and pipe because other Moster 185 owners were saying "it's normal", definitely going to try and make sure mine stops seeping now!
@christianfortadesembile55114 жыл бұрын
Very clear explanations ! Keep up ! Greetings here from Philippines! 😊
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
thank you so much! 😊
@petrinimoraes3 жыл бұрын
Boa Diego ensina nos! - super enduro na veia! ae Diego estive pensando em criar tipo um "segundo estágio" ao longo do caminho dentro ou fora do escape ainda não decidi, o que vc acha que aconteceria, será que ia melhorar um pouco a eficiência da queima do combústivel reutilizado ?
@alex-vc8lq3 жыл бұрын
finally i find video that expalins why twostroke engine exhaustpipe looks so weird. i neber kknow that before so thankyou. when i was young i dirive many different mopeds some have normal exhaus pipe and some have that kind of pipe you show us and we called them powerpipes and we do not even know why or how it gives more power 😄 some times i even think it.s give more power because it,s thicker than normal pipe althought the end of the pipe was not thicker at all and then we make power mufflers just taking out all things that are inside the muffler and and we think no we get more power although we get only more noise and maybe stupidest thing we do was to take whole exhaus pipe off and if im right like tthe motor makes less power and more noise and nothing else but we was kids and have mopeds so it,s almost have to try to tuning it faster. best tuning was change the chain gears that way we get the mopeds accelerate faster but stop speed got lover of course but it feels faster.
@StepstoPodium3 жыл бұрын
Glad i could help! 💪💪
@appleSUX14 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. it was great. However, I have 1 question. Why is it necessary for the for the exhaust to go back and build pressure? Does it create more power, less power....what is the actual reason and would it do to the engine performance? Thank you
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! The goal is to supercharge the engine!
@airgunbubba25054 жыл бұрын
Thanks for answering the question of why that shape.
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
it's a pleasure! Thank you for the comment, I appreciate it 😊
@TommyNitro2 жыл бұрын
Simple and clear explanation. Thanks.
@StepstoPodium2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Tommy! I appreciate it 👌🙌
@golosbezdoka4 жыл бұрын
Hello, I'm translating motorcycle videos to Russian for my channel. May I take this one, I find it very useful, you're a great host as well? :)
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
Hello! You can contribute for the captions/subtitles that KZbin provides 😊 if you download and upload on your KZbin channel, most likely KZbin will suspend your channel since its violating YTTS
@golosbezdoka4 жыл бұрын
@@StepstoPodium I work with multiple channels and never had any issues. the only time it might happen is if you report the uploading manually as a copyright owner. That's why I'm asking you and if you accept it, you can simply send me an email where you're saying you don't mind I'm taking the content and if anything happens in future, I'll jsut show it and we both are great :)
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
@@golosbezdoka I appreciate the offer but KZbin already provides translations and captions for different languages! :)
@Vyper54 жыл бұрын
Hi, if you add the exhaust valves in the process how it works??
@StepstoPodium4 жыл бұрын
The exhaust valves help the engine take the most out of the pressure wave. What happens is that the port valves open or close in order to give the pressure wave more time to be able to push the air fuel mixture back inside. I clearly will have to do another video explaining just the port valving so subscribe to not miss a thing! :)