3.0L Whipple Makes 1450HP

[@frosthoe]

That is a NICE flat torque curve. Seems like it would be really pleasant in a Drift / SuperCruise car. Comes on strong, rolls over gently, and seems to self limit at high Rpms. Perfect T3 midrange engine combo. With a smooth long travel throttle this would be a dream .

[@truegret7778]

The inlet horn looks pretty wicked on there ..... has a lot of grunt - nice piece.

[@dicktrickle4197]

Let's clarify, 3.0l BLOWER , 427 block 😁 the blower is bigger than a 2.2l Chevy cobalt engine

[@shannonjurgens3667]

Thanks for the clarification

[@Matty.Hill_87]

It's nearly 2 of the 1.6 litre d16 in my civic 😂😂

[@dicktrickle4197]

@@Matty.Hill_87 😂

[@dadadadankable]

I’m glad you can see 3 is bigger than 2.2. This was almost as bad as repeating something that was said in the video with a cry face behind it.

[@justinsmith7245]

Sadly that 2.2 engine lasts forever

[@vehdynam]

Nice solid piece for sure. Thanks for sharing.

[@PSwayBeats]

You got to love it sucking in so much air starts to close the vents in the back

[@marcjordan29]

Kyle does a great job... Awesome to see a young dude going at the reality of what drag racing has become.

[@jwray9799]

I wish I could afford Steve's engines..

[@robsdeviceunknown]

Man, I would do anything for a decent stage 2 360 magnum from you guys. If yall still built them lol. Guess I will have to wait until I get a new car that has something you can build.

[@allanrickard2117]

thank you Kyle nice motor

[@slowfox89]

Giddy up horsey...all 1451 of them lol. I feel for 19lbs on that ci is fantastic. Great job Morris'ssss

[@midnight347]

I mean it's a 427 cube motor bro that is huge and it has a 3 liter Whipple on it which is also a decent size. Prob high compression too I'm not sure bout bet it was. High compression high boost and big cubes equal big power on e

[@petervossos4816]

You make good engines👍

[@JohnRoberts71]

Great content thanks for sharing

[@FangOfTruth]

I noticed the right louvres were being pulled shut. Thought that was neat. I didn’t pay attention to it in the twin Torque Storm video.

[@Backyard_hunting]

Those blowers really work! I have one my Mercedes e55, though different intake and setup but same core. Water cooled as well. Conservative at 16psi due to gearbox clutches that die immediately at 20psi plus, recorded 1200nm and 620kw at the wheels before the clutches went. Motor is built including darton sleeves. One day I’ll build a Steve Morris engined car, one day.

[@kla55e]

thats roughly 830 whp, im curious what else you had done to it. got an insta? i build these m113k for a side hobby so it always fun to learn what people do to achieve certain power levels

[@Alex-qy7ou]

Good job Kyle i bet you dad is proud

[@danielsmith-ze3wy]

Nice 👍

[@mikeschneider634]

I run a 2.9l whipple on my 427 z06 and it’s an absolute animal. Torque monster!!

[@fernandomartinez9439]

How much are you putting down?

[@charleshenshaw9099]

That's going to make a great street piece 👌

[@AB-80X]

Just curious, but what do you base that off of? It's more than likely a solid roller cam and it runs on E100. I'd say there are better setups fro street driving for sure.

[@delanteworthy5066]

Right who's running E100 these days for the Even E85 is rare you literally not alot of places to fill up at

[@MartinMcMartin]

Nice job Kyle

[@mr.niceguy4134]

The 3.0L Whipples are nice. Almost instead torque. I want that engine set up in my car 😀.I'm in between F1-X prochager and a Whipple. But currently I have already got a quote on a build. I'm just waiting for the apartments to be persold than I will have some fun tickets 👍

[@Sir.VicsMasher]

Depends on how you want your power delivery. All at once with a level off or something that builds and doesn't run out of steam.

[@ssoffshore5111]

Seems like it wants/needs a bigger blower. Probably a nice street setup though...

[@Sir.VicsMasher]

Cool, I've been waiting for you to put a new Gen 5 Whipple on the dyno. HUGE gains over the older version(s) at the same boost pressure.

[@edmundnlemadim8480]

called Whipple 3 days ago to ask about the 3.8L Gen 5, as I want one for a LS nova deal I'm (slowly) building. Will be released before end of year for LS and LT. Wait till SM and Wegner get their hands on those units lol

[@Sir.VicsMasher]

@@edmundnlemadim8480 The 3.8L doesn't become an improvement over the 3.0L until 1,300hp+.

[@edmundnlemadim8480]

@@Sir.VicsMasher oh, I know, believe me 😈 The race porting that Whipple offers for both units is a good way to bridge the gap between the limitation of the off the shelf 3.0 and the 3.8, as Whipple advertises its good for up to another 100hp, but I mentioned the 3.8 as he noted the 3.0 was starting to nose over...

[@midnight347]

@@edmundnlemadim8480 it's nosing over on a 427 cube engine. What size engine do you have with your build?

[@edmundnlemadim8480]

@@midnight347 427 LS. have the K1 CCW billet crank and Molnar power adder plus rods, Brodix LS7 heads in boxes in the living room. Waiting on some custom pistons from Wiseco (hard anodized 18cc dish with Trend pins and Total Seal rings, so extra wait time) and waffling on whether to purchase a Dart SHP Block for 4000 or BMP aluminum 6 bolt block @ 5600 bucks to avoid the iron block weight issue. Dart aluminum would have been first choice if not 7500 dollars. Then next will be getting the cam, shaft rockers, 6 bolt head studs, and going to the engine builder once I get pistons and decide on a block. Still early in the build process.

[@silkysixx]

Straight ethanol looking good yet again.

[@patrickciarcia4100]

Nice… did-you ever do a gen 3 hemi with a whipple or pro-charger …? Thanks 😎

[@AB-80X]

They have done some with KB setups.

[@camj256]

What are the pulley sizes? For whatever reason my wegner kit only makes 13.5# of boost on the 4L whipple. Fuel doesn't have it looking close to those numbers. Probably have a small restriction on the exhaust side with stock cutback. But 6.7LS with 4L whipple.

[@lanegeisewite1436]

Fuckin awesome! Chevy powaa! More plz lol! Awesome LS!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸💪💪💪

[@v4yt126]

Thanks

[@studbolt5627]

👍👍

[@ThatDudeTrent1]

Holy hell. 30° at 19.5 psi? I’m not super familiar with tuning on e100 but that’s a good bit of timing yeah? Novice tuner here. Genuinely curious.

[@jasonhaley5737]

Pretty interesting that it liked 30° of timing even with 19.5lbs of boost. Generally speaking, that sounds high for that boost level, even for ethanol. You have to give it what it wants though!

[@BassManBobBassCovers]

Definitely a spicy 427 to say the least. The supercharger might be a good option for boost safety and reliability.

[@KingJT80]

wait till you see one with a 4.5L LOL

[@alphagaming7267]

I still think y'all should do some v6's 😉😉

[@Scootermagoo]

fitty one... I think the voice has changed >:) good job kiddo.

[@scottmarshall6766]

Nice overview. We have a new video host. Great job!

[@jaxjax5322]

On this type of build what AN fittings do you suggest for the valve covers too a catch can?

[@jamesklink4698]

Nice. #!!!

[@TheOldblue72]

🌶🌶

[@guitarwelsh]

Youre a good dad steve

[@CARRIERGUY]

Nice power for an ls.

[@Techangler65]

What was the engine making on the turbos

[@steveshoemaker6347]

🇺🇸

[@cargame78]

How much is that LS? I need one👍🏾

[@jaguarman1983]

How much torque does a 6L90 hold? 😁😁

[@hjfcoco]

2 inch headers?

[@tedheierman1181]

The torque curve seems to drop off more than I've seen on other whipple setups. Does your accessory drive allow for an a/c compressor?

[@AB-80X]

Seeing that SME do custom builds, I'm sure they can accommodate that. It's not like mounting a pulley with the ribs for A/C needs to be a big deal. Lot's of ways. That's a small blower for the power. That torque curve would be better with a bigger blower.

[@MrMaxEffort]

@@AB-80X and Ted Heierman... Did either none of you look at the video? The a/c compressor is on the top right.. 🙄 So there is your answer on the question..👍

[@midnight347]

​@@AB-80XI mean it's on a built 427 that is alot of cubes. People need to size the engine w the blower and visa versa. On the other hand it's making stupid power that will never hook on the street without 4 slicks and awd. It's splitting hairs at this point.

[@daricusfields5641]

So on that engine is it the volume of air the supercharger pushes or the psi that determines the power? Awesome build just trying learn a little more.

[@JuniorJunison]

I think it's the pressure, because if you think about it, the more pressure you make the more air the supercharger is moving because that means there is more air in the same amount of volume, for example, 50psi vs 100psi, let's just say for the sake of comparison that the doubling of pressure doubles the volume, now I'm not sure if the actual volume each pressure would fill under normal atmospheric pressure but we'll say it's double, the 100psi would, when allowed to escape into a balloon for example at normal atmospheric pressure would blow it up bigger than th 50psi blown up balloon. The more pressure the more air molecules are in the combustion chamber allowing for more air to be available for the gas to burn. Hopefully that makes sense.

[@stevemorrisracing]

Yes and kinda. More volume meets a restriction in the engine, ( engine is a air pump ) Restriction is PSI

[@daricusfields5641]

The reason I ask is because the power number seems higher than a turbo engine with the same psi. Thanks for explaining it!

[@AB-80X]

@@daricusfields5641 You cannot equate a specific boost number with a specific amount of power. The PSI number is really nothing more than a measure of restriction, but somehow people are all hung up on boost. Look at it this way. If I have two identical engines which are both 427's. Same heads, pistons etc. but different cams for example. One cam has low lift and small duration, a stock LS7 cam for instance. The other is a healthy cam with say .680" of lift, 250 degrees of intake duration with a split of 16 degrees and a 114+4 degree LSA.Now let's say we run a pulley combo that puts 10 PSI on the little LS7 which gives it what, 675 hp or so. Now let's put that same pulley combo on the engine with the big cam and the PSI will drop like thrown from a cliff and the engine will most likely make roughly the same power. The reason is that the engine can pull in a lot more air on its own, thus it becomes much less of a restriction. So as you can see, you'll need for the blower to move a lot more air in order to make the same boost. And if you make the 10 psi on the big cam engine, you'll make more power. If you put that big pulley combo on the small cam mill, then the boost will skyrocket. If you really want to make a lot of boost, just put a block-off plate on the bottom of the blower so it can't get rid of the air. Some engines make 800 hp with 12 PSI of boost, others make 1200 despite being the same size. Cams, heads, exhaust, intake etc. It all matters and has an impact on the restriction the blower sees. When ever people say as a generalization that "You can't run this or that amount of boost with pump gas" it just shows you how little they know. You can have a combination that will detonate its brains out at 6 psi while another will be fine at 16 psi. All it is, is a measure of restriction.

[@midnight347]

​@AB-80X you are correct other than more cubes and bigger cam (i.e. more efficient engine) is likely going to make MORE at LESS boost despite having less boost not the same. If pullied to make the same boost again it'll make way more. People do get too hung up on psi.

[@bad6as]

Where are you getting your E100

[@joeyg1170]

2 videos one day! Spoiled 👊

[@redman9177]

Where’s your car Kyle ?

[@danmyers9372]

That’s kinda odd how the blower drive goes through the air inlet?

[@8180634]

That way you can have the drive in the front and the air inlet in the front.

[@nickm6494]

Why kind of heads? Did he say mass? Don’t know much about the LS

[@AB-80X]

If it's anything like the other LS with the two TS blowes, they are Mast Black Label 305's. He said they were LS7 heads I believe.

[@bradgrabiak6792]

What size pulley is on that 3.0 Whipple?

[@midnight347]

Running almost 20 psi on a built and very efficient 427 cube motor I imagine it's pullied down pretty good.

[@bobqzzi]

nice combo. Could you make 1000HP reliably on pump gas?

[@JuniorJunison]

Fuck yeah. Bear in mind however you probably want to tune it just above that because depending on climate and altitude, mainly where air is thinner, you'll end up losing horsepower, that is if you're strictly wanting to maintain at least 1000 horsepower. 1000 horsepower on pump gas is easy peasy.

[@midnight347]

​@@JuniorJunisonyea it is w a 3 liter blower and a built 427 cube engine. 1000 on pump isn't always easy peasy. It's either gotta be that or a smaller engine with a huge blower or turbo that is gonna make it lazy but still make that big peak number. People focus way too much on peak when they need to worry about the entire power curve especially on a street car.

[@beyondmaintenance]

✌🏽😎

[@keseanspeight4680]

I want to see the 427 ls with the magnuson 2650 with e85 and 20lbs of boost

[@Robert-mn8gc]

WHY .. It's not going 2 be any where near these Numbers . If u said u wanted 2 C a 3.8ltr Whipple Supercharger on Top l could understand that.

[@williamroberts6424]

Would that be hard to get down the road with the torque like that all early

[@stevemorrisracing]

Absolutely

[@rodgersrcaviation2785]

I think it’s cool that the engine is moving so much air the dyno air vent to the right of the engine falls shut at the top of the pull. That’s definitely moving air!!!!

[@rodgersrcaviation2785]

@stevemorris. Is this you in telegram or is this a scam

[@bucketofbloodgaming9098]

Can you tune my 1.0 ecoboost? Lol

[@Pookybutt3]

Woo hoo i’m so early. Wow. It’s so quiet. Not like that engine. Bad a**

[@AB-80X]

Solid or hydraulic roller? Pump gas power?

[@badass6.0powerstroke10]

Pay attention and watch it again, all your questions Will be answered...

[@AB-80X]

@@badass6.0powerstroke10 Is that so? Time codes?

[@brandonbritt99]

Hell ya gotta love blowers

[@ericperry4934]

Type of heads. Specs? How many Grove pulley system? Max rpm? Compression?

[@deansciortino6425]

Why a 3.0 blower, not a 4.5?

[@stevemorrisracing]

Because it's what the customer wanted. Also, 1,900hp is NOT the limitation of the LS's clamping force on the heads and main caps - lol!

[@deansciortino6425]

What's the most powerful LS you built with a Whipple?

[@AB-80X]

@@ChrisHimself1357 Lol, that's an interesting amount of generalizations. The difference between driving the 3.0 and 4.5 in terms of putting out the same net power is not that big, especially if you lean on the small blower. What you lose in the bigger internals, you can often make up for with a slightly cooler charge. Also, the smaller blower will have to be spun faster. The 4.5 will only make more power if you let it, so you cannot generalize and say that the 4.5 will make 1900 hp if the 3.0 makes 1450. Here's the short of it. If you make the same crank power, the power needed to drive each blower will be very similar. How much air it takes to make 1450 hp in this case, does not change just because you change the blower. The larger 4.5 might be a big more efficient here as the 3.0 is at its limits, but if both make 19 psi, the power will be very equal. As for 1900 hp being the limit for clamping power? Where the heck did you pick up that nonsense? Sorry, not trying to be rude, but that's totally incorrect. Just a quick matter of fact. The stress on the heads will be very different depending on whether you make 1900 hp at say 6500 rpm or 8500 rpm. Why? Cylinder pressure. Do yourself a favour. Don't buy into all the B.S you get from the bench racers.

[@midnight347]

Why would you need more than 1450 hp? That is ridiculous. Some people want a good overall curve not just peaky power. Also the 4.5 is an old design it prob wouldn't be as much better than the 3.0 as you think. The 3.8 prob be a better choice

[@tracebrown9341]

Man that whipple sounds soooo mean make a hellcat whipple sound like a mouse

[@keefespencer1173]

You should do a comparison video like the one you guys did with the SMX and a 136 and the 140 Procharger's but do the comparison with a stage 3 427cid and the 3L against the 4.5L Whipple Supercharger and I would also be interested in seeing the SMX with the new bigger Procharger's and see if you can get record setting dyno numbers from the SMX with a Procharger and if you guys haven't seen it yet you should check out @John Doc on KZbin TKM in North Carolina built his hydraulic roller 427cid LS with a single 98mm turbo on it and he made 2200+hp on the hub dyno and he has been low 4s in the 8th and supposedly both of those are record setting numbers

[@xxxequalizerxxx3505]

How much $$$ ?

[@stevemorrisracing]

On the web site

[@xxxequalizerxxx3505]

Are u kidding me?

[@noalmonds6993]

Ft/lbs lol

[@user-pt6xn7tr2t]

Fantastic job of copying exactly the WAGNER front dress kit that you purchased directly from WAGNER. R&D = Replicate & Duplicate. Pathetic