3 Bands I Don't Care For Beyond the Debut Album

[@mikeviolate666]

Bad ass jacket man, cool reviews thanks... \m/

[@FumesofHatred]

@@mikeviolate666 Thanks, Mike! 🍻

[@MetalHistoria]

Solid video dude. Keep up the great work. Love from Macedonia

[@FumesofHatred]

@@MetalHistoria Thank you for the kind words. Cheers! 🍻

[@devildozer]

I was a teenager when "Dawn of Possession" came out, absolutely love that album. I also remember when "Herein After" hit the scene so I've got fond memories of that album as well. But hey, to each there own. Cool video, man.

[@FumesofHatred]

@@devildozer Killer! I think Here in After has great moments sprinkled in there. That solo on Nailed to Gold, as well as the intro to Christ's Cage. Thank you! 🍻

[@shanesmith734]

That jacket is extremely hard.

[@blackleathereyes3673]

Hi Trevor! Im gonna keep an eye out for some Foglord on vinyl after watching this mate, nice one. The Immolation album is the only one Ive heard from the 3 you talked about here. Thought it was scorching when it came out but havent heard it in years. They played here in 91, just after the record came out, on a bill with Morgoth and Massacre but things got messy from pre gig drinkin' with friends resulting in me missing their set! Young n dumb haha! Thanks for the Foglord recommendation. Cheers!

[@FumesofHatred]

@@blackleathereyes3673 Dawn of Possession is a top-tier album. I feel like they really toned it down after that. That's a killer line-up for that time! Yeah, snag up some Foglord! Would be a great time to do that with the autumn season peering around the corner. Definitely enhances the mood. 😊 Cheers, Jason!

[@DonnieMcNash]

You seem like a cool dude 👍 good video

[@FumesofHatred]

@@DonnieMcNash Much appreciated!

[@ericv7720]

Good call on Immolation! Also for me (an extremely mixed bag, for sure): Nocturnus: The Key Mucupurulent: Sicko Baby Coven: Blessed is the Black Naglfar: Vittra Helloween: Walls of Jericho Gut: Odour of Torture Screamer: Target Earth

[@FumesofHatred]

@@ericv7720 Agree on Nocturnus. Woah, I'm shocked on that Coven pick! I love all 3 of their albums, haha. Been a long time since I heard Naglfar. I remember liking Vittra and Diabolical. Walls of Jericho is a stellar album. I need to check out that Screamer. I only know of the Swedish band with the same name, and much more recent.

[@ericv7720]

@@FumesofHatred This Screamer was from Washington State in the late 80s. Target Earth was released on New Renaissance in '88 or '89, and has been reissued a couple times since then (the label closed in the late 2000s when owner Anne B. started practicing law full-time). They were very similar to fellow Washingtonians Queensryche (their early stuff) and Heir Apparent on that first record.

[@FumesofHatred]

@ericv7720 Damn, I should know them then, considering I live in Washington. Will definitely check them out. Gotta be good if it's in the same conversation as the first Heir Apparent.

[@ericv7720]

@@FumesofHatred Coven was also from WA, but I just like their first record the best, because they had those weird songs like "6669" and "McDonaldland Massacre."

[@FumesofHatred]

6669 is one of my favorite Coven tunes. If you're unfamiliar with Culprit from Washington, I highly recommend them.

[@Dvng10ndweller]

Just saw this channel, sick as fuck (And the jacket) for me this would be lord wind (pagan dark wave project of rob darken) couldn’t get into the modern stuff unfortunately, but that first album is great

[@FumesofHatred]

@@Dvng10ndweller Much appreciated! Man, I completely forgot what Lord Wind even sounds like. Love me a good chunk of the Graveland discography, though. Even that last full-length "Hour of Ragnarok" has been growing on me. I'll revisit Lord Wind. Cheers!

[@JeffMcCormack777]

This is an interesting concept, I wonder, if I though hard enough, if I could find bands like this that their debut was best.

[@FumesofHatred]

@@JeffMcCormack777 I'm sure you'll think of at least a few. There are tons of bands where I prefer the first album over everything else, but a few select bands where the first album is all I like.

[@DeaditeDelight]

Foglord is great! I've got a nice collection of dungeon synth.

[@FumesofHatred]

@@DeaditeDelight Right on! Glad to know you're into that style. So many gems.

[@goat666db]

I never checked out anything Demigod did after Slumber of Sullen eyes because I had always heard it wasn’t worth listening to. Seems that might be the case lol. Obtained Enslavement, I get for sure. I’d like Witchcraft more if the keys were used more sparingly, but I say that about most keyboard heavy bm. Here in After is my favorite Immo, and to me the first 4 are all classics, but I can understand someone saying they only like Dawn of Possession. I’m having a hard time thinking of any bands that I only like the debut from. Maybe Cro Mags 🤷‍♂️

[@FumesofHatred]

@@goat666db Yeah, you're not missing out. Very mid stuff, haha. I definitely understand the love for Immolation. Very unique and original band. I just feel like they toned it way down after "Dawn", but I respect their output. Haha, that Cro-Mags pick would be considered to many as a hot take, I'm sure! There are a few more I immediately thought of after this video, so I'll be making a part 2. Cheers!! 🍻

[@robertphelps3895]

I'm with you on Immolation. Fellow cursed ginger here. 😆 Just subscribed.

[@FumesofHatred]

Welcome aboard! 🤝

[@GoatHeadTed]

😂 finding that immolation unholy cult shirt for 5 bucks at value village was still a solid find 😂 I think dawn of possession and shadows in the light area really the only ones I jam these days. I feel like 2010 started feeling generic 😂

[@FumesofHatred]

@@GoatHeadTed It was even less than that, I think. 😆

[@RichardCranium.]

I used to listen to only the first Immolation album for years. I like all of their stuff, most of it I just don't need though. I really like the first 5 albums. I can understand why someone would only want 1 album by them.

[@FumesofHatred]

@@RichardCranium. Yeah. I can understand people even liking their whole discography. They crush on stage; I'll give 'em that.

[@mazeoftorment805]

i don’t think anybody likes demigod after the first record. a lot of the old finnish death bands turned to shit after the first record or just broke up.

[@FumesofHatred]

@@mazeoftorment805 Yeah, most people I've talked to about the band either absolutely hated the subsequent albums, or didn't even bother with them.

[@gurnblanston5000]

​@@FumesofHatred How can bands put out any physical product with albums no one likes. TONS of metal bands the last 35 years with boring riffs or changed styles every record, especially European bands. I have not heard of or listened to 99% of bands on Encyclopedia Metallum, let alone read or say their ultra Gothic style lettered names.

[@gurnblanston5000]

@@mazeoftorment805 Tenebrae??

[@gurnblanston5000]

@@FumesofHatred No riffs?

[@Ishitonyou666]

I don’t think anyone liked or bother with Demigod’s later records. Some musicians still have “it” most don’t . Immolation’s debut album is my favorite & “Failures for Gods” , but lately the last recent records have been eh I can drop so many bands that fell off after their debut. Dominus 🇩🇰 “View To The Dim” , after that they changed their style Ad Hominem “P.Z. the End” love the intensity than 😴

[@FumesofHatred]

@@Ishitonyou666 Yeah, I've been finding that out in recent weeks. I remember back when I got that record, there were defenders of the latter material. I probably could have gone with Sentenced or Therion. Oh, well. 😆 Oh my god, Dominus. That fuckin' album cover for Vol.Beat! 🤦‍♂️

[@Ishitonyou666]

@@FumesofHatred lol it’s cool. Lol Vol.beat album cover was cringe. Yes on Sentenced , they were so good too

[@YONATOOTH]

Immolation is one of my alltime favourite band so obviously I disagree, but music is a different experience for everyone and sometimes it’s just your mindset that decides what you hear or get into. So I respect all opinions as long as they come from an honest place.

[@FumesofHatred]

@@YONATOOTH Well said, and likewise. If people question my honesty, I just pull out the latter Entombed albums. 😆

[@SHREDBEARD696]

Fuck yeah man what a killer idea! 🤘🏼🤘🏼 So you kept your original copy of Smashing Pumpkins 🎃 🤘🏼🤘🏼

[@FumesofHatred]

@@SHREDBEARD696 Second most masculine band only to R.E.M. 🤓

[@fuhrersavior9575]

I have the classic first album from Coroner coming in the mail today.

[@deathssnumberonefan]

Manilla Road for me. Big Hawkwind fan here.

[@FumesofHatred]

@@deathssnumberonefan Manilla Road are fantastic. The Deluge is my favorite from them. I dig me some Hawkwind.

[@_I_Excalibur_I_]

@@FumesofHatred Manilla Road is an example of a band that absolutely destroys glam posers and homosexual thrashers that sound like Megadeth...

[@gurnblanston5000]

Comments on Vital Remains, Goreguts, Gorefest, Unanimated, Usurper, Brutality, Edge of Sanity, Murder Squad, Merciless, HatePlow, or Lowbrow???

[@FumesofHatred]

@@gurnblanston5000 I love everything Vital Remains did UNTIL the Glen Benton era. Unanimated are great. Brutality as well. Love Merciless. Unbound is one of my all-time favorite records. Hateplow and Murder Squad are fun, but I feel no need to buy them.

[@gurnblanston5000]

@@FumesofHatred Everbody has to have decerning taste, options are necessary. Six Feet Under actual has a few tunes I like the riffing especially if I was 13 or so. Cannibal Corpse I forgot to listen to since Bloodthirst (remember liking this). Malevolent Creation, Master, and Autopsy are intense, but hard to find more than 2 songs per album good. Still haven't heard anything since St Anger but the 4 song ep and a couple off the 2016 album. Newer Massacre US, Solstice (US), old Warhammer, 1st 2 or 3 Therion, that Possessed new one. Napalm Death had a few but that was a loooong time ago 2003-4. Gotta comb the collection and pass then on to new homes. While listen to Morbid Tales/To Mega Therion and Hellhammer. Any opinion on Edge of Sanity, Dismember, or Tenebrae (Finland)?

[@gurnblanston5000]

@@FumesofHatred How would Unanimated compare to Merciless sonically or musically? Any opinion of Mercyless (France)? Sorry for so many questions, it's great your know so much and probably alot more.

[@FumesofHatred]

@@gurnblanston5000 Dismember and Malevolent Creation are up there on my list of all-time favorite bands. Also love Autopsy. Unanimated are awesome, but I prefer Merciless. Mercyless - Abject Offerings is an underrated masterpiece. I haven't bothered with anything Massacre (US) has done since that crappy Promise album. Hahah.

[@gurnblanston5000]

@@FumesofHatred Me either, but will here soon. Pestilence, Goreguts, Gorefest, old Vadar (Black To The Blind was last I remember, though Litany and others are brutal, can't recall any pounding riffs), Simister, Kreator, Sodom, Destruction, Abcess, Bathory here and there. "THE RETURN OF DARKNESS AND EVIL" album version, is THE Be-All, End-All black metal song since 85. Nothing compares in ferocity, to me. Not into screaming (screamo is different somehow?) and whispering grindcore/kpop stuff of last 20 years. Or atmospheric/ethereal sounds as it sounds the same and makes me sleep. Would need a guide or chatgpt/ai to comb out the bands that have sounds I like, but so many and only 1/3 in usa if that. Instead of new music, my mind went into kid mode and I would try to interchange sonic qualities of different audio scenarios such as AJFA having production of $5.98 EP. Or Black Sabbath and Motorhead covering each other's songs, accounting for each specific albums production values. AI doing these modifications to sound would be a worth engineering project for brilliant people. Along with bioengineering to repair Charcot foot, fckn btch that it is.

[@pieface8032]

Never bothered with any Demigod albums after the debut glad I didn't 😂 I'll need to track down that Entained Enslavement. Surprised about Immolation but they're a band which I'm well overdue revisiting. Interesting topic Trev 🍻🤘🏻🤘🏻

[@FumesofHatred]

@@pieface8032 Thanks, Simon! Yeah, don't bother with later Demigod. Borrrrring.

[@macabre19]

Immolation fan boy here. I totally get why people wouldn't be into their sound though. I'd have to put some thought into what bands I only like the debut albums from. Interesting question. Just subscribed

[@RobinoviHudovi]

Their debut was original, but from their second album they started borrowing too much influence from more avant-garde original bands such as Demilich, especially in terms of those very obvious Demilich style pseudo melody driven riffs...

[@FumesofHatred]

@@RobinoviHudovi I didn't even consider that, but you're right on the money.

[@FumesofHatred]

@@macabre19 Much appreciated!

[@darrenbrown7037]

Immolation… come on man! They had so many…close to a world below is at least worth listening to. That band has so many good albums.

[@FumesofHatred]

@@darrenbrown7037 Haha. Sorry, man. Better for me to be honest about it!

[@deathevokation1017]

Immolation has a biography for pre-order you probably wanna buy, haha. I never liked Obtained Enslavement either. Sometimes I think of buying the first album again, but don't cause I've got enough of their contemporaries playing that blasting melodic style in my collection. Emperor is a band whose SECOND album I like better, haha. As compared with In the Nightside Eclipse, Athems to the Welkin at Dusk sounds more musically accomplished at using symphonic music either to accentuate, compliment, or as segues for blasts, melodies, and riffs. Plus the music is more tense and epic as are the vocals and their styles/octaves.

[@FumesofHatred]

@@deathevokation1017 Oh, boy! 😆 Man, I agree on that Emperor take. The Wanderer is a perfect closer. Goddamn gorgeous instrumental. I don't blame you for not buying the first Obtained Enslavement. I enjoy it, but I don't consider it a mandatory listen.

[@brianmoudry5066]

yeah, i agree about immolation.. dawn is the only album i need from them.(and stepping on angels/ demos etc) nothing after that seemed to be the same style .

[@FumesofHatred]

@@brianmoudry5066 Glad someone agrees, haha. Felt like I was alone on that.

[@brianmoudry5066]

@@FumesofHatred same here... ha !!!! this album reminded me of M/A - Altars style , with more slowed down parts. same errie vibe . stepping on angels- demos etc is great also !!

[@FumesofHatred]

Yep! Demo is badass, for sure. I can see the Altars of Madness comparison.

[@gurnblanston5000]

​​@@brianmoudry5066You like Abonminatioms of Desolation by MA?

[@gurnblanston5000]

​@@FumesofHatredYou like Abominations of Desolation by MA?

[@jaredwiebe8477]

Bro I’m exactly the opposite with Immo. Love dawn of possession but for me it only gets better from there

[@FumesofHatred]

@@jaredwiebe8477 I'm happy for ya. Wish that was the case for me. To each their own!

[@seanbeast939]

Interesting topic, Trevor. I've only ever owned the first Demigod album and certainly won't be buying the rest. Immolation is a band I enjoy without being fully immersed in their stuff. This has certainly got my mind working 👍

[@FumesofHatred]

@@seanbeast939 Hell yeah, Sean. I'd be interested to see your list if you decide to put one out. 🤝

[@fuhrersavior9575]

Have you ever heard of a band called Brainbombs?

[@FumesofHatred]

@@fuhrersavior9575 Never heard 'em. I'll check them out.

[@olarrist4273]

Idk bands that come to mind are Goatwhore, Coldworld and I Shalt Become. Goatwhore’s demo cassette is one of my all time fav albums. Don’t care for any of their full lengths.

[@FumesofHatred]

@@olarrist4273 I have a bunch of Goatwhore albums, but haven't heard the demo, which is sad. I need to rectify that. I had one Coldword album. Melancholie, I believed it was called. Didn't move me at all. Then again, I'm not into the Depressive Black Metal in general.

[@thegrimmfluencer]

Never checked Demigod. Love some Immolation though. The debut never resonated with me much dunno why

[@FumesofHatred]

@@thegrimmfluencer Hiiiiiighly recommend you check out that Demigod album, Dave.

[@thegrimmfluencer]

@FumesofHatred Aye it's onn my listt Trevor!

[@AdamLambourn]

Skindred for me. They've become progressively less heavy with each album. Also, Napalm Death after their second album.

[@FumesofHatred]

@@AdamLambourn Skindred rings a bell, but I'm not sure if I've heard them. Yeah, I'm not on board with any Napalm Death albums. Siege of Power is a killer track, though. I think that's what it's called.

[@n0s0luti0n]

Bump? BUMP???? Just don't start saying "drop", please. 🤣 Foglord sounds cool, but I think I'm done buying dungeon synth. For the amount of times I play it, I can just stream it. I like later Obtained Enslavement, but I agree the debut is the best. I'm not a huge Immolation fan but I prefer the stuff after Dawn of Possession for some reason. I don't feel like I am knowledgeable to argue about it though, haha. Cool topic, if I can get motivated to make a video I may jump on this. Cheers Trevor!

[@FumesofHatred]

@@n0s0luti0n I have no idea where that came from! It's gotta be those chemicals in the water. Glad you like the stuff, so I don't have to. Hahah. Yeah, I'd love to see your takes! Cheers, Scott!

[@fuhrersavior9575]

Foghorn Leghorn?

[@FumesofHatred]

@@fuhrersavior9575 Something like that. 😆

[@maktub224]

how do you not like failures for gods bra

[@FumesofHatred]

@@maktub224 Wish I could tell ya. Just doesn't get me vibin'.

[@1cenobite]

Never heard foglord before , definitely will seek out their music . Found this on cryo chamber A while back kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJiXnmWvj7h8qJYsi=omNPd66g5qDUg4by And this one on Dungeon noise kzbin.info/www/bejne/naa5e6SsfrSIY6Msi=KIrYklVP9j2mL2ad

[@FumesofHatred]

@@1cenobite Ghoest is great! I will have to check the other one out. Thanks!

[@9thcircle73]

I agree that post Slumber of Sullen Eyes Demigod is a massive disappointment. Immolation are a great live band. They have great energy and stage presence. I like all their albums, but after Dawn of Possession they change drastically. Their riffs become a lot more esoteric, and they lose that head banging viciousness. Great one, Trevor!

[@FumesofHatred]

@@9thcircle73 I definitely understand the appeal for them. But yeah, I don't find myself headbanging to their post-Dawn stuff. It's a bummer. Thanks, Bill! 🍻

[@JB-wh9ux]

Where's the Steely Dan debut brah brah?

[@FumesofHatred]

@@JB-wh9ux Woulda been on here if Chevy Chase was playin' the drums.

[@ilovefuzzycats]

Wild sponge spotting

[@kamo124]

On immolation im the opposite. I dont like dawn of possession but i like the rest. "Closer.." for example. Im gonna check out Obtained enslavement. Question: the demigod's album has also another version right? One more coloured that i tought it was the original version. About bands i dont care beyond the debuto for me: Deicide.

[@FumesofHatred]

@@kamo124 It has versions with different contrasts of the album art, if that's what you mean. Same with Funebre - Children of the Scorn. I understand that Deicide pick. I like Legion a lot, but I honestly prefer the Amon demos over anything under the Deicide banner.

[@Chapter7music]

Incantation. I don’t need anything but Onward to Golgotha and their 7 inches before that album. Top 10 death metal album for me. That’s the catch 22 with most types of metal, especially Death Metal. Stay the same and it gets stale. Add different influences and you alienate the fans that liked you from the beginning. Oh well.

[@FumesofHatred]

@@Chapter7music Yeah, I'm not big on Incantation either. My favorite would probably be "The Forsaken Mourning of Angelic Anguish" EP, and even that hasn't touched my CD player in 5 or 6 years. Agreed.

[@ericv7720]

I have the first 5 Incantations. After that, I lost track.

[@TomCamp-l6x]

Was that a cassette tape? Do they still make those?

[@FumesofHatred]

@@TomCamp-l6x They've been making a comeback the last few years, which I love to see.

[@TomCamp-l6x]

@@FumesofHatred Interesting. I did not know that. Cool video.

[@gurnblanston5000]

​@@FumesofHatred Hell yeah!!! Cronos quote.😅

[@fmilton20]

This guy must have no music knowledge at all (complete sarcasm btw holy hell you have a COLLECTION!)

[@FumesofHatred]

@@fmilton20 You had me for a second. 😄 Thank you! I need a bigger room!

[@giantgargantax3169]

the fact you dont like Immolation after d o p is worth the subscription alone.was hugely dissapointed when here in after came out in 95.always check em out when they have a new album but its NO every time.to doomy,slow and boring.they lost all the catchy tempo and pace they had in the demo days and on the dawn debut.i even think dawn of possession would have sounded alot rawer if they still had Neil Boback on drums when they recorded it

[@FumesofHatred]

@@giantgargantax3169 Cool, man. I appreciate that. Yeah, I honestly just get bored when I put on anything after that record. It's weird how their live shows are so energetic, yet they're flat in the studio.

[@Thabba76]

Slayer for me, first album is a perfect 10/10, everything else is decent at best imo

[@FumesofHatred]

@@Thabba76 I agree on that Show No Mercy rating. One of my favorite albums ever, and it blows away everything else Slayer did. That said, I do like Hell Awaits and Seasons in the Abyss. I can understand why somebody wouldn't, though.

[@Thabba76]

@@FumesofHatred i think their other albums are good too but if i ever want to listen to slayer, i have no reason to not go for the first album because everything else they did is in a style that other bands like sodom do better imo

[@FumesofHatred]

@@Thabba76 Those Slaughter Lord demos, too.

[@Chapter7music]

Reign In Blood and it’s not close. And for their early stuff I prefer Live Undead. They sound so much better playing those early songs on that recording.

[@anyss-tj7ht]

Immolation went to more bland , and slam, nu-metal influenced stuff after DOP.

[@FumesofHatred]

@@anyss-tj7ht They definitely were borrowing from a lot more bands, and not necessarily ones that I'm a fan of.

[@jaredwiebe8477]

Idk, definitely went more avante garde but its still death metal to me through and through

[@YONATOOTH]

It’s so weird how different people can hear things. I have a completly other experience but hey, that is just the magic of music.

[@Sagan_Blandard20XX]

The Bronx is mine.

[@ElDuce69]

Dude knows nothing