3 Easy wins - Lights and Lighting [video 471]

[@Thesidingsworkshop]

Mate I don't think it's dragging mate, love a workshop re jig series, the shop is looking great mate fair play 👏

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Cheers Dan! 👍👍

[@Dr.CandanEsin]

Modern looking, bright enough for near sight improvement. Brava!

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks! More to come! 👍

[@WinoSnip]

Dear Peter - Thanks again. A while ago I visited the workshop of a friend of mine. After some chatting about tools, dust extraction, wood etc I realised that there were no windows in his workshop yet I did only note that after a while. Het had 6000K LED panels mounted on the ceiling - and I decided to do so as well. 6000K is like daylight - it really made a difference to me in my workshop - easier when working and somehow it make me less tired at the end of the day. In contrast of your wooden frames, I bought the LED panels with metal frames for the ease of it. Maybe not as nice - but easy. The space above the panels, when mounted in such frames, is just sufficient for the transformer / electronic unit which comes with it.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Wino! Yes, 6000° Kelvin daylight panels are fantastic in a workshop. Love mine! 👍

[@rfguy8499]

When shopping for new shop lights, look into the CRI (color rendering index) of the light fixtures. I upgraded my shop lighting a couple of years ago to 5000K color temperature LED's that have a CRI of 95. It makes a huge difference when you get to finishing a project and allows you see the true color of the wood finish. No more surprises of thinking the wood finish is one color in the shop, but then moving the project inside the house to find out it looks totally different.

[@NomadMakes]

Where did you find 95 CRI leds? The only ones I could find where huge and ment for large halls and stuff.

[@paulmaryon9088]

Great mini series thanks Peter, full of very useful info, keep well, and keep em coming,

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Paul! 👍

[@graemebowyer4901]

Another interesting piece of work. The magnetic tape is a great tip. Wish I knew about it before, thanks

[@davidsneddon2242]

Smashing trio Peter invaluable now and in the future for and shop owner/developer now or then.👍✌️

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks David! 🙌👍

[@morrisonsusan]

That little router jig is great! Please show us how to make that jig.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

About 400 videos ago! 😂 Video 045, Simple router sled, kzbin.info/www/bejne/qoCQi5WsjN6pftU 👍👍

[@ChrisMurley]

New shed about to go up so this whole series really useful but especially lighting.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks! 👍

[@WeekendShedHead]

Very neat job as always Peter! The satisfaction when the magnetic strip clicks together... priceless👍

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks! Yes, it’s a satisfying ‘thunk’ 😆👍👍

[@alanmullock381]

Loving this mini-series Peter👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍😎😎😎😎😎

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Cheers Alan! 👍

[@johndavies6769]

This is my chance to say Thankyou. Before I saw your video I fitted 3 led batons from screwfix in my garage at £50 each. I’m too old to balance on steps to climb in the loft at Xmas so fitted a loft ladder and 4 eBay led panels at £15 each having seen your item some time ago. It’s like daylight up there. Cheers John from County Durham.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks John! 👍

[@SPOREOUT3]

Thanks for the trio of videos, made for a great lunchtime at work! Really enjoying the workshop series. Definitely keeping an eye out for the MFT and Router build videos!

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks! 👍

[@whitedoggarage]

Great video Peter and always something to learn from you, stretch from the center out. Wish I had known that for all the times I have had to stretch material on a frame in the past, thank you.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Bob! Learned that one aged 16 at art school! Who knew it would come in handy all these years later! 😂👍

[@whitedoggarage]

@@10MinuteWorkshop 👍

[@larrycurran7005]

Great video series. Your shop is really shaping up and looking nice. I do agree on lighting. I went from fluorescent to 5000k led shop lights. Purchased eight of them on sale early last year. What a difference. I love to see what can be done in a smaller space. Your shop is an inspiration to me on what can be done.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Larry!

[@bryandavies6074]

Magnets are great. I've used the tape to hold tools in toolbox lids and things to the inside walls of container storage.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Nice! 👍

[@mick882]

Great trio of videos Peter thanks so much

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Mick! 👍

[@garybarchas4984]

Another enjoyable video. I could actually hear the difference when you spoke after the installation.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Gary! So could I 👍

[@murphymmc]

Great solution with the fabric panels. I've used the small wafer type neodymium magnets for securing stuff to stuff. They're strong enough and in the light panel application, wouldn't need the precise flat surface, they would probably be strong enough to allow for a bit of twist in the wood frame and make good contact. As China has the largest neodymium mines on the planet, you can get good magnets at a reasonable price, if you avoid the larcenous middleman. ;-)

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks! Yes, I may swap them out for the tape. 👍👍

[@idlersdream826]

Great set of videos Peter, I like workshop makeovers, can pick up some ideas. I'm in need of improved lighting over my bench & was going to fit an extra LED batten, but I may well look at the panel lights now instead. Cheers, have a great weekend 👍.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks you too! 🙌👍

[@derekpbyrne]

Looks great 👍 what a transformation compared to when I started to subscribe about a year ago ... I'm in the process of building a workshop so plenty of ideas and product links all much appreciated Peter thank you 🙏

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Derek! Yes, it’s been a long time coming, but we’re getting there! 👍👍

[@michaelplays2449]

Great video ,Thanks

[@Sol-hl2rj]

Very well executed, inspiring. The color temperature do matters if judging colours. It can be a bit too blue when exceeding 5600 kelvin. In photography around 5600 is just about right. Looks great!

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

👍👍

[@RunarMagnussen]

Looks great! Bet the diffusion helps a ton. As an audio engineer I'll argue that a workshop won't need the acoustic treatment necessary for a critical listening room, you'll definitely get away with less. Really enjoyed this series overall! BTW I told you in a comment a while ago that I bought the Wolfcraft dowelling rail jig, and I like it for cabinets! Need to take care to set it accurately but I can get pretty good results. It's a little hard to use it for thinner parts like stretchers and legs, but I can use it to make new dowelling jigs in hardwood that work well for that.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thank you - good to know! 👍👍

[@kanedNunable]

great timing, i am going to be putting in new lights soon. at the moment i have an old grow light up but its high wattage and coverage isnt great.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

👍

[@NomadMakes]

Nice mini series Peter :D I have recently installed some cheapo 6000K lights off Amazon. The extra light is fantastic. But I am a bit worried about the CRI, as the light is a hint of blue. So I kept the 3500K lights as well. LOL. Your video has great color though. Thanks for sharing.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Goran! Do a custom white balance against a grey card if you can; gives you a good starting point, even if you tweak it afterwards. 👍👍

[@NomadMakes]

@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks for the tip Peter. I just googled this, and understand that it is a rabbit hole I need to go down… I used to hold up a white card for reference.

[@EclaWood]

Istimewa 👍👍

[@maartenbaas2308]

Thanks for sharing. I do have a question. Why would you want to diffuse the light?

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Video. The light direct from the panels is a little harsh, and adding a diffuser also helps combine the two panels into a single source - but I probably wouldn't bother at all if I wasn't shooting videos. 👍

[@ProfessorRives]

Why use double sided tape and not staples while 'stretching the canvas'?

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Why use staples instead of double-sided? 🤷‍♂️

[@ProfessorRives]

@@10MinuteWorkshop Because adhesive wears out faster than staples, especially when fighting tension from fabric.

[@FritsvanDoorn]

👍👍👍

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

👌👌👌

[@wearsjorge55]

I will always recommend daylight (5000k) for work spaces. It can be overwhelming in the morning sometimes but the last thing you need while working is to be straining your eyes because the lights aren't bright enough.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Exactly! 👍

[@necrosbowen]

Hi Peter i dont know if it helps i build a lot of led lighting etc, have found cheap shower curtains are great diffusers, also i have tried magnetic tape on many things it works but you need so much of it. i found it much more cost effective to buy packs of small Neodymium magnets, tend to buy round 10mm ones that are 2mm thick. they are very strong and i just drill the wooden frames enough so they sit flush and epoxy them into the wooden frame. (build computer cases out of wood so make my own magnetic fan filters etc for ease of cleaning etc as my computers are in my workshop) if you want them to attach to wood just normal wood screws sunk in on the other piece for the magnets to go against is very strong. if the light bodies are steel though the magnets will just work direct on that i hope that helps.

[@frankblack1481]

If the magnet was being recalcitrant due to the ceiling being wobbly, then why not mix up a big batch of self-leveling compound and pour it over the ceiling? You’re welcome.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

I'm just not thinking outside the box Frank, Thank you! 🤦‍♂️😂👍

[@lawman1965]

Peter, wouldn't your Kapex have done the lap joint using the trenching function? Oh, and I'm loving these shop upgrade videos.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks! Probably, but given the length of the pieces it was just easier to do them on the MFT with the tracksaw. 👍👍

[@csbarbourv]

Do you ever use CA glue and activator? If not, why not?

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Rarely, tbh. Usually for eg mitres on cornices, but I don’t generally like it as an adhesive. 🤷‍♂️

[@cliveclapham6451]

@@10MinuteWorkshop you'll like it if you have a cutting accident! Don't ask 🤕🤕🤕

[@WobblycogsUk]

That was a fun mini-series, the only downside is it makes me feel bad for not having done anything about my workshop lights. I'm surprised you felt you needed a diffuser on those panels though, the light looked quite diffuse already.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks! Yes, the lights made a big difference when I first put them in, and these ones are so much brighter. I wouldn’t have worried about the diffusers if I wasn’t shooting video, but the light and audio improvements are noticeable on camera. 👍👍

[@FatManBuilds]

Hi Peter, thanks for the videos! What colour temperature would you recommend for workshop lighting? most of the panels I have seen are 4000 or 6500. Many thanks Simon

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks! I’d always recommend daylight panels, 6500K. 👍👍

[@FatManBuilds]

@@10MinuteWorkshop great thanks Peter, there are a few videos like yours now on the lights! But no one seems to mention the temperature! Thanks for the reply!

[@boomerangfreak]

I would never have thought about using magnetic tape. I just don't really trust it all that much. But it seems I might have been wrong? Let's hope they'll stay up for a long time XD

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

So far, so good. 👍

[@homewurks1]

Just wondering why you used Epoxy instead of ordinary wood glue, Peter?

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

I wanted to use a fast-set adhesive so I could offer it up to the ceiling to make sure it fitted! 5-minute epoxy is the fastest I have - I used my usual fast grab pva for the rest. 👍👍

[@lakesidewoodcrafter8904]

I really enjoyed the videos are you trying to break a record??? 3 in 1 day 😉

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks! And no, just wanted to get them out there as I felt they were dragging a bit! 👍

[@akbychoice]

Seamlessly goes from sae to metric and back.

[@ronboe6325]

Since the panels seem to have diffusers built in why add another? Was is driven by your video needs? Or sound attenuating?

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Both. The fabric diffuser helps combine the two lights into a single source, and also helps with the audio. 👍👍

[@kiteguernsey8261]

Did you find those panels bright on the eye without the diffusers that you added? Currently choosing between led tubes and panels and I find the tubes I have on trial too bright just above eye level, and the panels are way more comfortable, however I think they are just slightly less output than yours.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

They’re 50w panels so very nice and bright - I prefer them un-diffused tbh, but it gives a softer light for shooting video, that’s the only reason. 👍

[@DP80s]

You could have called out to the costumiers next door to borrow an iron if you hadn't soundproofed the wall

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

True! 😂

[@oskarzarranz5624]

Sorry Peter: nothing related to lighting but it is a question that I have since I am subscribed to your great channel. Why do you have a window screen on a shelf in your workshop?

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

A roller blind? So that I can pull it down and use it as a quick background for thumbnails. 👍👍

[@colindoesdiy]

Hi Peter, three very useful and informative videos, I have four 6 Foot Double Fluorescent Lights in my Workshop (Single Garage) and I am seriously thinking of replacing them with LED Panels of some description but I didn't give much thought to diffusers, so that's given me more to think about. On the Full Coloured MDF front, I bought two full (8ft X 4ft) 18mm Sheets in Black from a company in Liverpool for just under £200 for the two including VAT (Plus Delivery) but that was in June this year, so not sure of current prices. P.S. Is it possible to buy a Track Saw track Hinge as an individual item as I may want to add one to my home made MFT table ?

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

That’s a good price Colin! Pre-madness the Fibracolor was £95 for a big sheet, now it’s £170! 😯 Yes, you can buy the rail hinge as a spare part - I’ll be using it in my DIY MFT build, should be out fairly soon. 👍👍

[@jimlad01]

Seeing as you used to be a photographer Peter; do you have any thoughts on the colour temp of these sort of lights as an option for continuous light in still photography? Do you colour balance your video's afterwards using any tools (colormunki etc) or do they come straight from the camera like this? Cheers for the video's and lights look great BTW.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Jim. Colour off these panels is bang on 6000 Kelvin, as advertised. I do check it with an app (KEV WB) to see what the reflected colour is like (pretty good, actually) and while I can dial the °Kelvin into the camera, I usually just do a custom white-balance against a grey card and that works pretty well. These are not high CRI panels, so if you’re doing colour-critical work I’d be cautious with them, but certainly for skin tones and the kind of thing I do they work great. And they’re cheap enough just to buy one to try - these particular ones are good because they have a little lip around them that would make it easy building a frame to attach to a stand. 👍👍

[@andrewknots]

I found my best option was to replace the 1800mm fluorescent tubes (and starters) with energiser led replacement tubes which were about 4 times brighter, daylight balanced and came with a 2 year guarantee. They also turn on instantly, and use lots less power.. Thanks for the series.

[@macbaar6073]

👍👍👍🤗🇨🇭

[@aknorth1053]

if your only spending 18 pounds for a panel that is likely why they are only lasting 3 years. If you spend more for a commercial fixture they can run 50k to 70k hours

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

£140 every 3 years for 10 panels is fine by me - who knows where I'll be in 3 years time... 🤷‍♂️

[@leehenderson8488]

Great job as always Peter. Im curious as to why you went with magnetic tape when 6 or 8 screws in each would likely have done the job and be easily removable if required.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Just something I wanted to try - and I wanted to keep the edges clean / clear if possible. 👍

[@andrepoon]

Magnetic tape! It’s gonna fall on you! Just screw them in!

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Wanna bet? And if it does I’ll do something else. Don’t want screws visible though. 👍

[@robertneely5148]

Peter, do any of your KZbin memberships provide access to plans equivalent to the Patreon membership? I've had real problems even becoming a member of Patreon, their web site is a nightmare. I did log a support ticket but it took them a week to even acknowledge it and the response was to try another browser! (I use Safari on a various Macs). I think you are probably missing out on a fair bit of income if people are having similar problems to me, so good luck with the KZbin memberships. About your LED panels, are they 12v with a transformer? (Not Optimus Prime). I am in the probably insane process of building out my workshop on a widebeam narrowboat, and when I built out the interior 14 years ago I bought 64 1watt led downlights that work at 12v. I simply threw all the transformers away and connected them directly to the 12v supply and they have worked perfectly since I installed them. If the panels you have used are also 12v I reckon I could do the same, so I would be really interested to know!

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Hi Robert. Sorry to hear you’ve been having issues with Patreon. I’m also on a Mac with safari and don’t have any problems, just FYI. I put the KZbin memberships in place because some folks were having issues with the stance Patreon were taking with some freedom of speech topics in the US. The £5 level on YTMembers gives the equivalent access to everything. 👍👍 Re the panels, I’ll have to check when I’m next in the workshop tbh, though the answer is probably a yes.

[@EEEEMMMMKKKK]

I love your videos, but i just have to write it. I think it’s a huge waste of resources to use the those magnetic tapes to thing you not going to remove any soon.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

I’m not saying you have to do it. It it’s what I did and it’s worked out OK. But as I say in the video, I’d probably do it differently. Next time. 🤷‍♂️