3 Martial Arts Experts try VR Fighting

[@GrinningNimbus]

Mike: Going too far Seth: Pulls off VR goggles Mike: Existential crisis intensifies

[@Talantlass]

I had the same experience after taking off mine

[@Mannybo209]

lol

[@Sinoki1]

he deff bought one after he went home

[@DarukaEon]

I saw this comment before the end of his section and I grew a bit concerned. Bah ha ha ha ha!

[@dinglebord]

Ay tbf I had the same thing when I took off my headset for the first time and said almost the same thing like "am i still in vr why do my hands move like this am I in control of my body" especially after waking up such a weird feeling

[@KARATEbyJesse]

Never a master, sometimes a teacher, always a student 🙏 Thanks for introducing me to VR Seth! 👍Although I prefer when pure knuckle meets pure flesh 👊💥😎

[@TrixterYT0001]

Hi jesse

[@Lynxtpm]

Jesse does that mean you are liking Kyokushin?😅

[@Ali0_11]

Jesse I love ur vids

[@Sir_Marcus_plier_the3rd]

Jesse, we need to cook

[@brandonsmith4510]

All of you guys are great. Thanks

[@TheElbowMerchant]

Icy Mike's bloodlust was amazing to see, haha. Didn't expect the deep conversation about dissociation and depersonalization afterwards, but it was definitely amusing.

[@hard2hurt]

Watching this back I feel even less real.

[@scottynguyen2183]

Mike, can you do a video on VR and if a person can use that to practice self defense? I love your contents by the way, I started carrying a fighting flashlight because of you!

[@nunninkav]

I programmed your life Mike. Unfortunately I have a sick sense of humor. Sorry.

[@13buthead]

@@scottynguyen2183 no need for video. you absolutely can't. VR is so bare bones that you only can do very simple stuff and it's still buggy. You can use it to work out though, which helps in combat.

[@zxwoodzy]

@PaMuShingreat comment!

[@javyassassin13]

There he is the reality breaker

[@Eri587]

This was such a fun video and then mike hit us with the existential nihilist crisis.

[@jswets5007]

I've often felt like an extra in a sitcom that was cancelled long ago but nobody told anyone that was in it.

[@your_favorite_chode_merchant]

That show is in syndication now lol

[@forteka81]

Made real breakthroughs there😂

[@TheArchangel314]

My life is that crisis. Neve learned basics, but appreciate how eloquent some can be.

[@twjiv1967]

Where do I order this game?

[@KevinLeeVlog]

Haha, my first experience to VR. It was definitely hard! Thank you sir! It was fun!!

[@SenseiSeth]

You killed it!

[@Mary-Ann_B_Mabaet]

That was extremely funny when you turned your back at the enemy and started training on the Wooden Dummy! If this were online with another person in PVP, that would have been a funny insult. "I beat you and I have time to get better than you~" So, nonchalant and chill mid-battle! _❤‍🔥MC Worthy❤‍🔥_ 😆Absolutely loved it 💖

[@Schrodingers_kid]

I love how psychopathic Mike can be lol

[@mr.brightside7496]

we saw a glimpse of it during the zombie rpg

[@Schrodingers_kid]

@@mr.brightside7496 And animals he could take in a fight

[@Schrodingers_kid]

@PaMuShin I remember something like that, yeah

[@malkomalkavian]

You mean, relatable :)

[@Schrodingers_kid]

@@malkomalkavian Shhhh, I haven't came out yet

[@TheElbowMerchant]

"I think I forgot to breathe." I hear you, Jesse. I do that almost every time I play a VR game, despite telling myself not to.

[@WianJooste]

I do this every time I compete in kata.

[@TKTyrant]

Really makes VR Golfing more intense

[@Falkhar]

"Do you think that's air you're breathing ?"

[@AntonAdelson]

​@@Falkharstole my comment! ❤

[@Mary-Ann_B_Mabaet]

Well, at least you're building your cardio up. That's more than what most people do these days. It's a good thing and I'm jealous you even let yourself get there. Get too tired these days. Keep up the good work!

[@kinuwa_k4791]

bro went into existential crisis after trying vr lmao

[@HighlyXero]

Mike's got a point with the reality thing

[@safari8447]

For real

[@drewdabrew4745]

Vr is indistinguishable from magic and going into a different dimension .

[@theduchessofdarknessofficial]

​@@drewdabrew4745true

[@HLGJammer]

Blade and Sorcery would be a cool one for you all to try, can do weapons and barehanded, so you can try your different styles a bit all in the same game.

[@Shoop67]

Yea you can even do a bit of jiujitsu in that game, especially if you got the choking mod. I like going for takedowns into arm triangles or back takes and chokes shit is mad fun

[@HLGJammer]

@@Shoop67 haven't modded it yet but I definitely like seeing what I can do barehanded

[@Shoop67]

@@HLGJammer word weapons are lame 💯

[@Interfuge]

was hoping it'd be here

[@thisisanameiuse]

​@Shoop67 you can do a lot with a knife in your off hand

[@zacariasnelson5753]

I would watch a 4 hour podcast of Mike asking deep questions like that and exploring those ideas

[@yoe7824]

Thats why we have Joe Rogan

[@jerm2614]

watching martial artists get philosophical was the funniest thing ive seen all day

[@DoctorZisIN]

There's no spoon, grasshopper!

[@Alexxave32]

Mike gave us all an uppercut to the mind by the end

[@cabacage3593]

Icy Mike is definitely talkin about depersonalization in relation to himself. Seth I think was talking more about derealization. Where the rest of the world doesn’t feel real. Both of which can be a symptom of experience trauma either early in life or even just over a long period of time. Which makes sense for Icy Mikes background as a police officer. I’m not a psychologist or anything but in studying it for school, we learned a lot about that (as well as other personal experiences that lead me down learning what happens to our brains) Even though I know part of it is for the camera. I still think it would be good to talk to someone about those feelings. That feeling of being uncomfortable “out in the real world” and realizing you feel more comfortable in a much more violent environment can be distressing and definitely make life a lot more difficult than it already is! Awesome video btw Seth

[@cruxmind]

yeah I felt this was the information mike was missing. it's comfortable cos he's been in that environment a lot.

[@cabacage3593]

@@cruxmind right yeah! That makes a lot of sense!

[@AlfredoGomez-kp4cf]

This actually would explain why I had similar thoughts years ago considering my childhood was a mixed bag to say the least

[@thisisanameiuse]

Yeah I'm familiar with it, when you're engaged in violence everything just makes sense and fits together. You are You, your opponent is your opponent, win, enjoy the rush, there's nothing else. There's no politics, no social nooks and crannies, no worry. Just you and them. It's been 6 or 7 years since I got past that area but there's still a small part of me wanting that rush again, I hate it but it is what it is ig

[@Allegedly_Angel]

Mike stayed in the Matrix for too long 🤣 We saw blood, he saw all the 1s and 0s

[@SealWithoutHat]

Dude was way too into it

[@Allegedly_Angel]

@@SealWithoutHat No way! lol Dude just knows how to let go and have some fun

[@greysonsmith2054]

I find it hilarious that what Mike described feeling like you're not you after leaving vr for the first time is pretty much how I felt and it was the same game I played

[@cruxmind]

When I first tried VR I had a moment where I was in the same headspace as Mike. Like, it feels WAY too comfortable in the metaverse. whether it's a violent experience or a peaceful one. To have that sort of experience and hear it from someone else is surreal.

[@vishnuramesh350]

When Sensei Seth collabs with the best, you know it's not just a video, it's about learning something new and having fun. 👊👊👊👊👊

[@thesadattic1065]

The part at the end was weird. They started talking about how they didn't know if they were real, and then looked into the camera, and said "You're in a coma, Sad Attic, and you need to get out". A very unexpected turn of events, to say the least.

[@c99kfm]

That was just a dream, stay right where you are...it's the best place for you, it's where you are safe.

[@Ahrone1586]

You yankis are weird

[@Jerry337]

We're not sure how this message will look to you. But please Andrew, WAKE UP, IT'S NOT REAL!

[@Stick_man757]

I played a game in vr and I did get confused a little. I tried controlling real life like the vr and I had to tell myself I'm not in the game anymore like my body had to realize it...I only played for like 10 minutes

[@undeadc0de199]

I bought the pro controllers to eliminate the tracking dead zones and really dialled in the settings, and damn Thrill of the Fight is awesome now.

[@HeisenStark13]

They just put out an update that improved the tracking

[@Elriuhilu]

​@@HeisenStark13Quest Pro controllers track themselves instead of being tracked by the headset, so you can put them behind you or on the other side of objects where the headset can't see them without losing tracking.

[@nucklechutz9933]

I love how VR fighting games don't inspire conversations about self-defense, they inspire conversations about solipsism, ie. the only certainty is that YOU are real, cogito ergo sum, I think therefore I am...you guys have managed to catch up to Rene Des Cartes. Congratulations! I will say this. Mike is the first person I've heard to question if HE'S real though. That's actually impressive.

[@HessianLikeTheFabric]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't solipsism usually start with doubting that oneself is real?

[@nucklechutz9933]

@@HessianLikeTheFabric Hell if I know, I'm an idiot.

[@HessianLikeTheFabric]

@@nucklechutz9933 You sounded like you're into philosophy xD tbf, I'm also interested to the point of even studying it, but I honestly have no clue

[@nucklechutz9933]

@@HessianLikeTheFabric Well, now we sound like philosophers. To your point, from what I understand of Des Cartes (from synopses and analyses of translations from other people, I never read him myself) he is supposed to have come to "cogito ergo sum" via questioning his own existence. But when I say Mike is the first person I've heard question his, I don't mean like, positing it as a philosopher would. Mike said it the same way someone says: "sometimes I get mad at politics." "Sometimes I have gas." "Sometimes I think I'm not real." Shit blew my mind, man.

[@IanTranSend]

Yeah that stuff Icy Mike was going through is a self aware moment of dissociative depersonalization/derealization for sure which is usually a post traumatic stress symptoms ( I guess it can be under any freeze, fawn, flight, or fight pattern as a way to protect the mind from processing an overwhelmingamount of stimulation in the moment) either from overt recent events or a history of subtle complex trauma (developmental neglect/abuse etc.). Grounding exercises are important for helping bring someone back -- qigong or yoga in particular might be useful as it challenges one to weather the "boredom" and feel back into their body + environment again while relinking the experience to breathing and clearing the mind + any somatic tension etc. But also talking through/writing can help at times too.

[@chrismiksworld]

EVERYONE knows you NEVER Pull someone out of VR. They have to come out themselves or a part of them never leaves VR...

[@zigmoney]

so just incase you're wondering, one of my hobbies is hanging out in VR chat and that feeling you get coming out of vr after spending a good enough time in it is dissociation. Your brain gets used to the VR body and trying to navigate in that space that it has to take a bit to reboot and get that normal feeling back. So far there's no concern to have about it (unless you're hearing and seeing shit, in that case please go to a hospital) but its kinda cool to reflect in those moments and think about perception and reality.

[@LITTLEREDBEAR917]

Mike just casually struggling with the problem of hard solipsism in an existential crisis lmao

[@Islanderghost]

The way mike just laughs like the guy in home alone ‘’ where’s my money Johnny. How much do i owe ya.”

[@cosmic_JAV]

Mike and Jesse are like complete polar opposites. Ones timid and quiet the other abrasive and loud.

[@nobody_9260]

"I want 3 guys" and I want stuff to splatter is crazy work.

[@tonygallagher6989]

That got way more philosophical than I would have thought.

[@MichalLempicki]

I bet Mike would have had an even better time with VR if flashlights were a choice of a weapon. Great video Seth!

[@thattrickytrickster612]

Came for the martial arts Avengers, stayed for the philosophy lesson at the end!

[@BMO_Creative]

"These type dudes think rules are fun" LOL Icy Mike said a mouthful! LOL

[@jonharker9028]

Great to see all three of them try VR! It’s a fascinating experience, and the philosophical dialogue at the end was great to leave in. Also, yes, what Mike felt is indeed one of the big questions that gets asked with everything that VR brings to the table. I certainly wonder what will change for all of us as these things move forward. Anyway, thanks for the fun, and I hope for more of this awesome collab!

[@roninmorningstar8668]

I knew Mike was gonna love gorn 😭

[@paradox13]

Oh my gosh so there's depersonalization and derealization, and hearing you all talk about those two forms of dissociation was so cool!! The feeling that the world/people around you aren't real or are a dream or figment or whatever is derealization, and feeling you yourself aren't real or are fake/imaginary is depersonalization - they're both forms of mental detachment, and are more common under stress, but can also happen more regularly to those with various dissociative disorders. (or even just people who struggle with dissociation amongst other things). Super fascinating subject!! That said adored the video and you-alls dynamic, I'm so happy I've found this channel and I love it so much.

[@AfaqueAhmed_]

Mike :- _plays VR_ Also Mike :- Am I real ?

[@goobertonVT]

it's crazy how easily tricked your brain is with VR. 3 rounds of Thrill of the fight and my heart is racing

[@0paque0ccupant]

I love that you do videos like this! If you ever get your hands on some higher end stuff like PC powered VR and full body tracking, I hope you throw people into that too. Being able to throw kicks and have a better 1:1 of what your physical body is a whole different level. Great stuff

[@blaxican]

That last part hit the feels. The topic does come up in my head when I feel extremely sad. 😢

[@IanTranSend]

Sorry to hear that, bro but glad you're sharing and so aware of it -- those can be really difficultmomentsand it'simportantthat you are finding ways to communicateit where you can amd when you can with others who can recieve it responsibly in a supportive way plus work through what you can to understand and do something with it. I know finding good and accessible/affordable therapists can be difficult but if you can it's worth looking into. Usually that's indicative of past developmental / complex trauma (e.g. growing up in extremely stressful situations like moving a ton in childhood, prolonged poverty/emotional neglect, abusive upbringing/community, etc.), or overt trauma. So learning what you can about dissociation/derealization, complex trauma /cptsd and ptsd can sometimes help get a better sense of what you're feeling and why. The depersonalization/ derealization responses tend to happen when people are overestimated and working through some sort of freeze/fawn/flight/fight trauma response pattern as a way for the brain to try to protect you/itself by not really processing all the details right then and there until you're in a percieved safer space/environment/time. On KZbin there's a lot of good therapist channels that cover these, I think the Crappy Childhood Fairy is one of them and the algorithm will point you to others from there. For me grounding exercises (look up the 54321 colors, sounds, textures, smells, tastes exercise; also sometimes butterfly hug and tapping; sometimes just eating a spoonful of hotsauce or if I can go for a run/work out doing stuff until the exercise pain/burn prioritizes my attention and need to focus brings me back) plus especially qigong or yoga helped me to bring me back into my body (in a way that made my mind and body think/feel I was in a more stable situation so that any intrusive thoughts or pent up stuff could run its course while I'm still lucid) and with the environment around me helped a lot. The qigong meditation channel here on youtube might be a good start for those exercises and there's often overlap with some shaolin Kung fu too. Wishing you well, stay strong and safe, and hope that helps!

[@karlozortega246]

I love that Jessse is always wearing his Karategi!

[@voodoo2130]

I'm in love with these Martial Artists trying VR types of videos. It's refreshing to see good techniques being used while playing these games.

[@GIBBEH]

For weapon stuff, you should try out Blade and Sorcery. It probably has the most realistic weapons combat on quest right now.

[@angryfoxzd5233]

I'm a martial arts expert and I use VR as my workout. VR is good for keeping the reflexes sharp and cardio up. It could change how we train as fighters maybe in the future we'll have robots to train with.

[@josephschmidt1751]

OMG bro! You are crazy funny and I love all the collaborations. You just showed up on my feed last week so I've been binging you like crazy. I love what you do. I love your analytical approach to all martial arts and I love how you give respect to some off-the-wall stuff like sumo. I spend most of my time doing Ed Parker for some reference. Keep up the good work my friend.

[@nurglematthew893]

This got deep. Big luv. Y'all real.

[@santiagoalonso-8]

depersonalization hitting hard after your first vr experience

[@ROBBOBBYJUNIOR]

7:09 that music sync with the footsteps tho

[@PenumbranWolf]

The SWAT guy went full "Total Immersion Syndrome" at the end there.

[@zxwoodzy]

I love how the convo got real at the end of the video, i relate to you guys with your thoughts, and it was funny to see yall talk so deep all a sudden. Great video though, loved it, hope yall are staying well and are blessed. Peace

[@Andrewthekaratenerd]

That was AWSOME! I've been watching your videos for a long time and this was by far one of my favorites!

[@niscent_]

personally my simple answer to that typical existential crysis is "whatever, my life is all i have, and i better make use of it how i see fit. i'm free to nurture any reflection on the nature of things, on the nature of my own being and reality, as they ultimately have little to no bearing on how i live my life, only on what i will think of it doing so."

[@overthebill1]

You guys are the dudes of dudes and I’m here for it. Love watching y’all have fun. Also mike needs a psvr for his birthday lol

[@shaidrim]

Watching Mike going full Cartesian was brilliant and scary at the same time 😂😂😂

[@swagmiredoesall]

You guys should try blade and sorcery. I know Mike would love it because the weapons feel more real than most vr games. You can also put some more techniques to use like disarming. Not to mention the way the kicks work in the game feels about as good as vr will get without feet tracking lmao.

[@rhythmtreble7311]

What icymike may have encountered is a "superstimuli" which is like a 1000% version of something real, and that dopamine level sets an unfairly high new watermark/ benchmark for max fun. Idk anything tho

[@hsdfjw3342]

Loved the video! ❤ One idea for a video: a video about how practical vr games are for learning how to fight. How different is fighting in the games and what are the differences that you should be aware of if you use it as an alternative to actual sparring Xoxo

[@WuWeiJack]

I can answer that: they're absolutely useless, for the time being.

[@Elriuhilu]

My VR headset arrives tomorrow and I'm so excited I can't put it into words. I tried VR for the first time back in 1992 with that pterodactyl game and it blew my mind. I had no means to play any VR again until I tested out an HTC Vive at release in a Microsoft store and it was a life changing experience. I only got to play for a few minutes and I haven't been able to play any VR since then, but I haven't stopped thinking about how incredible it was this whole time. I'm so happy that I finally have the means to get my own VR headset.

[@belalabusultan5911]

serious advice for the people who suffer from the symptoms that Mike showed (questioning reality itself, and if you are real), this is called mindfulness training, sit down in a comfortable positions and count 5 things you can see, 4 things you can hear, 3 things you can smell, 2 things you can touch, and one thing you can taste. this excercise should help you retain your senses, because senses are our key to experience reality. there is no judgement, I used to have similar thoughts and halucinations, but doing similar excercises for several times, became too ingrained in my mind that I got much better now.

[@surgeeo1406]

Mindfulness is like a gamble, there's no way to know the effect on someone. Some people get depersonalized/derealized through meditation. It depends on how your brain is wired.

[@belalabusultan5911]

@@surgeeo1406 maybe I used the wrong name? this exercises isn't a meditation, it's more like getting out of the meditation state.

[@surgeeo1406]

@@belalabusultan5911 Oh! Like when you're blood donating, and get dizzy? I have an experience of a nurse guiding me to breathe in and out in a certain way, because if they let anyone lose consciousness in that situation, people get anxious, you know?

[@G3RON1M0BR0]

You guys are just too fun, don't stop making content with each other.

[@okccitizen4400]

Karate guy looked bad ass

[@redwolf1015]

Jesse was so fast with that "no" 😂😂😂

[@camiloiribarren1450]

This is just 4 boys having fun with video games. It’s awesome to see this sort of fun

[@heraldofoblivion727]

Mike suddenly started to have an existensial crisis and started to get othets into it too lol

[@shadowforce4]

That got unexpectedly existential at the end.

[@bigheadrhino]

So jealous you guys get to play VR in such an open space! You should try Blade and Sorcery next, it’s by far the most visceral medieval VR game.

[@SenseiSeth]

That one made me a little too queasy tbh

[@bigheadrhino]

@@SenseiSeth oh interesting, from the motion or the violence? If it’s the motion you can play survival mode and just get to a good spot and then stay in place and never move the joystick again. If it’s the violence, uh I guess turn off the blood 🤷🏻‍♂️ ?

[@BIGxBOSSxx1]

“I want stuff to splatter. I want three guys.” - Hard2Hurt

[@nurbaiti_hikaru]

What a fun and lovely collaboration

[@EmrickElstad]

Hey man love the content keep it up

[@srchoy]

Seth, I just happened to be wearing headphones when I watched this, and music sounds great! You're really stepping up your video production game.

[@idiotbutransrights]

Please more of this it's brought immeasurable joy

[@BrodoTG]

NEED TO PLAY BLADES & SORCERY!!!!!!!!! BRING MIKE

[@hallzyy8023]

I feel mikes soul is so ancient that the vr experience brought a sense of peace to his already broken and chaotic life in the social norm; we forget sometimes that we are just one energy living amongst other copies of itself and that’s why some people we love and some we hate just like the parts of ourselves within that we cherish and avoid; maybe his soul was dropped into the gladiator pits and pushed to fight to its end and that’s why he paused and took the weapon choice rather seriously as well as the whole experience of fighting for survival in that game ( the brain can only feel as connected to something as it is invested in it and he was heavily influenced by that experience) my verdict is he didn’t experience disassociation he found a part of himself within that has been ignored dependently on the fact that life is different now and reality isn’t as much as a thrill if all we are is cattle to the slaughter machine for profit and not a killing machine doing it’s own work for redemption like a true gladiator

[@kohy76]

I love these colabs, mike should let that dog out in the USDC😂

[@gw1357]

The virtual wooden dummy was hilarious and awesome.

[@xXZaxoflameXx]

"I want three guys" "pause" lmao

[@silverfireVRgaming]

You guys should try VFC (Virtual Fighting Championship) as well some time. It's pretty intense as well, and is multiplayer. Could get Kevin and Jesse going against each other or something. :D

[@TheDanWhoSoldTheWorld]

Great video, it was fun to see Mike go full Eddie Bravo at the end..

[@shinomori69]

Showing again how fighting brings out our true nature. Icy Mike's true nature was to be a Danish raider in the 1300s.

[@DamienSigns-lk8yq]

“I want stuff to splatter, I want 3 guys” AYYYOOOOO

[@Nate-b4g]

Man congrats on the page!! We played at UC together. It's Nate Berry. Glad to see you've used your craft and are doing well for yourself. Keep up the good work and content!!

[@systemdegenerate]

Anyone else genuinely concerned for Mike after this? Like damn it someone give the man a hug and tell him it will be ok

[@zxwoodzy]

It’s a good thing believe it or not, mike will be a wise man if he is thinking about reality and himself within it, he will be on a good path.

[@M_K-Bomb]

Seeing how enthusiastically icy Mike took out the zombies in the Ultimate Self-Defense Championship I'm really not surprised by this. That's just standard icy Mike shit.

[@USARMY1682]

This is a really fun video to watch guys.

[@J.Allen_]

I want to see Mike and Seth try "Sword and Sorcery" .. the fighting and weapons are better and more realistic with just as much brutality. Super fun video Seth and crew. It was also fun to see Jesse on this.

[@MisterHui]

You take care of that bald goblin you hear! He's precioussss.

[@JeffPhillipsSelfDefence]

Love the oculus! Thrill of the fight and drunken bar fight are my go to’s.

[@dzen_dzenkazan8050]

I like the way kevin react to conversation that mike started. Like so confused , but so desperate to prove that he understands what others talks about 😂

[@jswets5007]

I've often felt like an extra in a sitcom that was cancelled long ago but nobody told anyone that was in it.

[@LilTreez-7474]

Mike really decided to channel his inner hawk from cobra kai💀

[@wololoaeoo4120]

Next time Play blade and Sorcery, its the best one for that!

[@beefwellington7854]

Mike knows what VR is all about, but Blade & Sorcery is where it’s really at

[@bishbish9111]

Thrill of the fight can be so fu... exhausting, Reakt Performance Trainer, Les Mills BodyCombat and Thrill of the Fight are my 3 favorite games.

[@yogurtofthemultiverse2200]

I would have LOVED seeing Mike play Sword and Sorcery, it's SO much more realistic than Gorn as much as Gorn is super fun lol

[@HappyBuffalo347]

I love how Mike just hit us with reverse solipsism

[@doitallyt7431]

Mike needs to try blade and sorcery

[@zenyxx9789]

Existential crisis hit Mike hardddd

[@layfonalsief7083]

damn feels like yall could've gone into a full podcast at the end there. i would listen to a whole hour of that.

[@garretisla5282]

You have to try Blade and Sorcery for VR, as well as a game called Bonelab VR. For unarmed and melee combat, no VR game even comes close to Blade and Sorcery, and the mods for it are insane! And for simulated CQB gunfights and general gunplay, Bonelab is incredible! They have everything in that game, and with mods, ANY gun, scenario, and landscape is able to be made. You can practice for active shooters using that game, or breach and clears into any structure or environment you could imagine! You can be an armed civilian in a 7-11 getting robbed, in this game, with mods!And a company is coming out with a platform and harness system that you can use as your literal controller, making YOU able to run, crouch, lay down, sprint, or whatever to control your character! They are already in production now for those!

[@rasbey2050]

Show Mike a movie called the thirteenth floor and definitely record it.