3 Updated Extreme AI vs 3 HD AI

There's been a slow accumulation of improvements for the Definitive Edition AI since late 2019, so let's put a year of updates into perspective by watching it against the HD AI in a fair fight.
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Settings: Arabia, mirror match of Teutons Magyars Mayans. Extreme difficulty (of course!).
Game: Age of Empires 2 Definitive Edition, with Forgotten Empires, African Kingdoms, Rise the Rajas, and Last Khans expansions

[@karanrime8948]

I think cyan's house is weird because the AI is programmed to put houses near where the villagers are- and the Mayan extra vil is right under the tc.

[@AsymptoteManuki]

yeah my thought as well it's cause of the extra mayan villager, they start housed, seems that was overlooked with the AI

[@maxs713]

That makes a lot of sense! Gotta report to the devs ; )

[@farukozturk5564]

its not hard to avoıid of this situation though. if villager is near the town center, don't build house.

[@twohandedswordsman852]

Me: *Send 3 militias to a booming Al* Al: "So anyway I started spamming archers and skirms as many as possible."

[@brefee]

did the upgrade from Long Swordsman go well?

[@madil2259]

You, sir, are beautiful!

[@uncolorr]

Me: accidentally attacks one enemy unit when exploring the map Enemy AI: *and i took that personally*

[@AgeofNoob]

HD AI was us thinking that we're good at the game in the 2000s, and Extreme AI is our opponents once we discover the ranked ladder...

[@Papersheepp]

Yeah... We definitely didn't have trouble fighting moderate ai in 1v1s ahaha yeah hd ai was so easy haha 😥

[@Salnax]

CD AI is me feeling great in 2002 or so after winning on Easy.

[@Halvtooth]

I hope they put extreme ai on the ladder, see how well it performs

[@AgeofNoob]

@@Halvtooth That's actually a great idea.. if they let it play 100 games, it should properly calibrate to an ELO and we'd know where it stands!

[@edmis90]

I haven't played AoE2 ladder, or against people in general for that matter. Would my first opponent be the strength of Extreme DE AI? That's insane.

[@SpiritOfTheLaw]

I imagine you probably already have it already if you're watching this, but fyi AoE2 DE is 50% off right now on steam.

[@Saturn_57]

OW YEAH BOI!

[@jorge15266]

I just bought it. I really wanna went into aoe multiplayer but I suck at it and don't know what to do. I always stuck to single player campaigns and vs AI.

[@markpunkbro118]

Hello

[@unfollowdreamy]

time back to when I bought AoEHD for 40€ and a week later it was down to 8€ OOF

[@Davion197]

Would play if I could get it to work on ol' windows 7, but sadly it didn't. Also, fucking Ginyu. Not as good as Recoome.

[@USVash]

The new AI spamming "Team superiority level: 3" in the chat feels like a new kind of taunt regardless of what it actually means, and a very robotic sounding taunt at that. I like it.

[@necroserpant]

Have you seen Googles AI playing Dota? It was saying something like "Predicted chance of victory is 97%" like 3 minutes into the game

[@USVash]

@@necroserpant I haven't followed DOTA in quite awhile and never followed the Google AI, but that is legitimately pretty funny. It's probably accurate too, I've seen far too many matches of DOTA where you can pretty much tell who's going to win that early just due to how the players are behaving.

[@Roberc7]

Purple: 222 Yellow: attacks cyan Red: 222 Yellow: continues to attack cyan *Yellow gets attacked after purple and red* Yellow: 222

[@saamohod]

What's 222?

[@mike-hunt3527]

@@saamohod 222 is the AI calling for help

[@Chelios1994]

@@mike-hunt3527 it actually mean "attack the enemy"

[@ironscorpion5131]

Yellow's call for vengeance.

[@barsni4779]

They chop stragglers just to annoy T90.

[@sambam8213]

Hello guys, im not sure about this, but i was also thinking to upload full series with timestamp, but im not sure because that actually spoil people since it say how many games it is, i guess those "chapter" can be good in other video contents on youtube but probably not great for aoe2 videos, anyway i wanted to share this with you guys and give me your thoughts!!! Lets go guys!!!!!

[@truebigboss]

@@sambam8213 who are you?

[@Memphisko]

@@truebigboss sounds like something Memb would write. But why this dude copied it here, i have no idea 11

[@truebigboss]

@@Memphisko weird 11

[@Rika914]

Lol the purple vill at 23:06 continues to chop despite the TC south of him already going down. Getting wood for another TC I guess.

[@dschaedler]

Again, i am watching a total stranger watching a bunch of computers play a computergame. I love it!

[@torvk9862]

I'm reading a total stranger's comment about a video about a total stranger watching a bunch of computers play a computergame.

[@sdeshp0]

@@torvk9862 I'm commenting on a total stranger's comment about reading a total stranger's comment about watching a total stranger comment on a bunch of computers playing a computer game in which the computer's spam comments

[@ericngai5811]

Jesus fucking christ....

[@maj.peppers3332]

@@ericngai5811 you ruined it

[@voxvolhynia5400]

@@maj.peppers3332 I'm reading a year-old comment about someone being frustrated by someone else ruining a chain of reactions in the comment section while listening to a stranger's voice calmly narrating the actions of computers playing a computer game in the background. Today has been truly productive.

[@AwesomeDwarves]

The yellow AI is arguably the most human-like pocket player...

[@thelaughingllama]

Yeah, I love when he calls for help to his dead allies after repeatedly ignoring their pleas.

[@christiangaxiola5323]

What’s a pocket player

[@rishidas9731]

@@christiangaxiola5323 the player in the middle position(s) of a team

[@MagisterProcellas]

@@thelaughingllama I've had two 3v3 matches recently where I've been on one flank, the other flank player is getting overrun and is asking for help and is ignored. I'm relatively new to the game, but common logic sort of tells me that it's the job of the pocket player to come to the aid of the flanks if they get in trouble, and therefor not the responsibility of me, the other flank player, to march half way across the map with my army only to arrive too late to do anything while leaving my own base open to attack. Just wanted to get some feedback from other members of the community to make sure I'm not mistaken in this assumption. Also, in both of these games, the pocket player got mad at the flank player who died for... well... dying.

[@ignaciootondo8732]

@@MagisterProcellas hahaha yes, your logic its correct.

[@RealKangarooFlu]

I always love these AI vs videos. It really shows how the developers think about scripting the game, and how much math they do in regards to resource timings

[@DrewHengy]

King Rupert seems like the kind of guy that would boom all game and then blame the loss on his allies before he ragequit.

[@LoutreDuBengale]

*Stressed* "Hey guys, Spiritofthelaw here..." *Kalm*

[@TheLeonardProduction]

There at the end... Yeah, the old AI would NEVER give up, it was extremely annoying... Back on the OG AoE2 I always played the regicide gamemode, just so I could eventually just ignore everything and hunt the king down

[@pikula13312]

This is the second time KZbin started showing me your channel without me ever searching for anything age of empires 2 related. The algorithm sure loves you.

[@Sephyroth97]

Periodical AI matches are a great idea for the channel, keep'em coming!

[@bladactania]

Watching these Extreme AIs with their goofy, inefficient dark ages makes the fact I can't beat hard ai regularly so baffling. By mid feudal, I'm being rushed so hard, and I can't figure out how they have so many resources yet are pumping out military so much!

[@glowcloudwheatproducts495]

Yeah, I forget how long my games take because when im playing im focusing on building my economy so much that I dont realize that it took me 45 min to reach castle age

[@theredblurb132]

It mostly they have an internal math equation relative to your score and overall performance against their military. When they feel threatened by you they will "go crazy" especially when they manage to turn things around on you I put them in a 3v3 of themselves vs themselves on extreme and they put economy everywhere. Infinite gold through trade to supply an endless stream of troops. The battle was insane and went absolutely nowhere. To further clarify the better you do the harder they try.

[@TeaTimeMr]

I would really love SotL analyse if the condemnation of taking straggler trees is justified.

[@TheDcfan01]

It's not about them not being efficient enough compared to lumbrecamp.. it's because they are useful in other circumstances of the game.

[@grammaton3773]

@@TheDcfan01 Like to block normal farm placement so you have to build farms like T90. It all makes sense now!

[@Infinite_Jester]

@@grammaton3773 In normal circumstances on Arabia you don't have enough wood to build farms for all of your shepherds once the last sheep is finished. So you can put them on straggler trees to minimise walking distance. I've never had any issues with extra stragglers blocking my farms when playing standard. Sometimes there's a straggler on the second circle of farms, but eh, that's kind of whatever.

[@BarbarianGod]

24:30 that one knight running from an entire army and actually dodging a lot of skirmisher attacks xD I think in the end a spearman just whacks him and he goes down, that should be an intro clip, please :P

[@thescribe509]

The old AI has a terrible habit of literally never making spearmen. Scout rushes were always lethal because no matter what civ the opponent was, they'd make archer skirm anyway. Turks? archer/skirm. Spanish? Archer/skirm. They don't care. They like archer skirm.

[@daigonnasema]

Spanish archer-skim? That's some big brain move for an AI

[@thedeadcannotdie]

Purple: the enemy is in my town HELP! red: I'm dying! Please brother! King Rupert the asshole: nah, I don't think I will

[@firockfinion3326]

Blue and Green: "If we work together, we can stomp out Purple and then move on to Yellow." Teal: "Attack Red and get attacked by Yellow at the same time? Easy."

[@benstephens4488]

Nobody: Spirit: “I’d like to see the ai quick walk with palisades” Me: “um, well , yeah , no, definitely not, I like my sanity”

[@DCdabest]

It's bad enough that every unit becomes Neo from the Matrix whenever I shoot at them with Bombards and Onagers

[@HeavyCavalryArcher]

Berrys to AI: Why are you so obsessed with me?

[@yahyamusseb]

AI: idk you are just that tasty you know

[@alejandroromero6464]

You're as funny as the AI when it resigns.

[@crownofglory1264]

Ai: I saw you right before my berry eyes, I love you berry much. Berries: Respect your elder-berries

[@bigbroarivus]

Well, what were you expecting from Cyan house? He's both a bird and jaguar.

[@UltimateTobi]

Got a good laugh out of the battering rams; defo not overthinking that logic. I like those AI VS AI videos very much! I'd love for you to do them more often; even when there were no new updates. They're very relaxing to watch and you comment over.

[@kotori87gaming89]

Oh boy, this was almost as entertaining as Low ELO legends! Come on SOTL, you should try commentating more.

[@RoAdKil7]

DBZ name drop while studying Age AI, I knew I liked this guy

[@MindlessWanderings]

That TC on top of the freinds TC (and gold and stone) is my pet peeve. When playing with AI team mates is they insist that my resources are theirs.. No matter what the situation you can rely on AI building half of their base inside your town, steal your resources, and block your town with trade... "Wood please".. dick! You just demolished my main woodline!

[@jefffinkbonner9551]

That's what a mangonel and its attack ground feature targeted at the earth riiiight under his tc is for!

[@TheOppaiLord]

At least you can use 69 and a flare to make them delete a building now.

[@traskolonyalmendil9147]

Am I the only one who likes playing with AI much than real players?

[@hepsbok171]

As I am terrible at this game this is all I do 😅

[@traskolonyalmendil9147]

@@hepsbok171 Shhh... Me too...

[@furkansaryerli]

Its always better to play against other players if you want to improvise. Unless if you play for fun 11

[@nilsp9426]

Don't get fearful around other players. The AoE community is welcoming and there are lots of beginners anyways. I hope you didn't have bad experiences. If you choose to play against AI instead, that is of course perfectly fine.

[@guyincognito1406]

I love playin against AI even if it’s a stomp, games are for fun

[@Goldencoins]

I'm impressed the AI doesn't cheat at all. Most games the AI cheats so much it's painful (faster build speeds, instant research, free resources, map awareness, etc).

[@natedunn51]

Yeah cheater ai is annoying. Ai just with being able to see all of its area at once and move control faster is already fairly big advantage.

[@APC117]

Civilization comes to mind. Instead of just being smarter they start with two settlers, extra military and increase in production and science on harder difficulties.

[@dukeofnuke2446]

The HD AI most definetly cheats

[@zikriflanery7030]

@@dukeofnuke2446 It's not, it was the CD AI

[@dukeofnuke2446]

@@zikriflanery7030 record a game vs AI and see for yourself afterwards that the AI has a steady income of resources despite not farming them

[@benjamindonnot3902]

Thanks for the video 😊 this was a really nice idea to test new AI this way

[@leonardosephas4757]

23:21 That priest slide

[@Timmothy_plays]

You know what i have grown to really love? Extreme CD-AI.

[@curlywhites]

Haven't gotten to extreme, but that's what my bros and I play against all the time now. CD AI.

[@mauricebottomley7623]

I look forwards to more of your gameplay commentary videos!

[@voxvolhynia5400]

Teal builds a TC right next to Green's farms, then hits'em with a "Food please". So self-aware, what a cheeky AI.

[@therealjeo]

That 'beating an extreme AI' achievement is getting further and further out of reach

[@guitar_jero]

@jocaguz18 ah yes, the allmighty c h e e s e

[@xotl2780]

Everyone has had a teammate like Yellow at least once.

[@bauefrenchmen3126]

Thank you!!!! Ever since i was a kid using the pictures on the tech tree map because i couldnt read or have internet i didnt know how i randomly became a the white player on the opposite team in a 4v4 gigantic match i was playing and no one ever believed me that it was possible to play as another color mid match 😭😁

[@rupert7565]

The ai would be so much stronger if for the first 25 minutes it would just ignore buildings.

[@diegeigergarnele7975]

Or just group up units. Barbarian ai developed by themax is insanely better, yesterday I beat easily 1v2 extreme ai but im pretty sure 1v2 hard barbarian would be almost impossible for me

[@gabrielandy9272]

@@diegeigergarnele7975 barbarian ai cheat a little tho so its not fair to compare. remember if a ai uses cheat its not fair to compare at all to a ai that don't cheats, take a example in chess you have amazing chess engines that don't cheat and no human can beat, but if one ai could do two moves per turn its not fair again to compare then, dota 2 default ai uses cheats on max difficulty (no intentional cheat,on easy/normal/hard the devs already said that the use of some items when bellow the mana is a bug and they fix then frequently so even if its a cheat its not intentional in the code*) the dota ai is bad not cause valve can't do better because valve is amazing but they just don't care or update it much, theres custom scripts on workshop that play better and cheats a little too, but open AI the company from elon musk made a ai that don't cheat and beat pro players.... they are all different from each other and if one is intentionally cheating we can't compare at all, i would say aom hd ai is better than the barbarian one just because of the cheat itself.... i just don't think its FAir to say it play better if its not playing with the same rules... take a example of this in the old age of empires game (not the hd definitiive blablabla) the ai used to get extra resources coming out of thin air on max difficulty, it made the ai harder, but its cheating. however if you lower the difficulty setting, barbarian AI stops cheating or atleast almost all the cheats stops, so at hard difficulty its fair to compare tho i think it still cheats vision at that difficulty not resources tho.

[@diegeigergarnele7975]

@@gabrielandy9272 no barbarian on hard doesn't cheat. Definitive edition on the other hand cheats since it sees the full map and always knows what is your next move

[@diegeigergarnele7975]

@@gabrielandy9272 so yea i was talking about the non cheating one and I can tell you that as a random 13xx the barbarian 1v2 is almost impossible for me whereas the definitive i can beat almost always 1v2

[@kcbsuiejd]

@@diegeigergarnele7975 It doednt see "everything", it just sees your entire stuff everytime it sees a building

[@buildinasentry1046]

5:14 lmao love the DragonBalll Reference

[@petraoleum5816]

I'd love to see the AI entered into something like Hidden Cup. It probably wouldn't advance but it might still embarrass somebody in a game pretty badly

[@stilickoh]

ik i’m a year late but i think that’d be funny but pro aoe2 players can literally wipe the extreme ai barely trying t90 himself made a vid where he did villager only spanish and decimated lol

[@stilickoh]

@John Wick i just looked it up it’s actually a spirit of the law video lol look up aoe2 villager only extreme spirit of the law or something like that

[@jomnix]

It would be nice to see this match: 4 extreme ai vs 3 hd ai + Spirit of the Law :-)

[@horshue7873]

When I'm playing a team game and my team mate runs out of gold and starts using mine without asking so I palisade wall his buildings and gates.

[@oliveleaf7376]

"You say you're helping ally, but you're still sending all of your units to destroy the enemy market..." This isn't the AI messing up, actually it's the AI performing at Turing test levels of quality, it is perfectly accurately simulating my partners in casual team games.

[@chaoticengineering]

Take a shot everytime Spirit Of The Law says AI.

[@ruyataljannahfoundation]

I find myself sitting at my computer watching a guy at a computer watch computers play a computer game

[@PeferG17]

WE'VE GOT ZERGLINGS IN THE MINIERAL LINE! or wait... Militia in the house line?

[@Jade-St28]

my AI allies always put a mining/lumber camp/ TC on my resources mid-castle when they still have perfectly untouched resources in their base...i would then sometimes use mangonel targetfire to get rid of them :D also i wish they wouldn't leave like a one tile gap to the edge of the map when they're building a market but you can't have everything

[@joaquinmaggi-gonzalez5334]

*A single enemy scout attacks one of my vils* Me panicking to my friends on discord: 11:06

[@nishchaypallav3920]

damn that monk at 23:34 sliding down the slope having the time of his life

[@StormtrooperH313]

On the mod page of game, there is an interesting AI pack: Apocrypha Pack.

[@viucky]

I love these AI videos. You should try a game with DE AI vs Custom AI like the Resonance Bot

[@terrab1ter4]

The slaughter of yellow's citizens at the end though....

[@robinhoodlumberjack1748]

26:41 what kind of walk is that? moonwalk? sunwalk? HDwalk? monk next to TC!

[@maximinomorgado2150]

Hey chicos, Spirito de la ley aquí!

[@bsmith3506]

I just wish AI would go for a different feudal strat than just streaming archers and skirms. Like they don't seem to even realise that scouts are a thing.

[@CULatte]

They should put each of the AI on ladder to see where it ends up. Would be cool to see what ELO each one is and could possibly be used as a control to see how well the community as a whole is playing

[@arcan762]

19:28 monk looting the monastery lol

[@europeanpatriot8031]

Amazing video!

[@gnochhuos645]

23:36 I like how they just randomly destroyed that single farm then left

[@ImRandomDude]

I would love to see running log of actions, or lets say short and long term goals at given time. (how they think)

[@TheArklyte]

You should check if fighting AI's light cavalry near deer still provides you with an edge;)

[@sarahd2623]

23:20 Everyday I'm shufflin

[@HekkenDarkstorm]

And here's me, still playing the conquers. No HD or anything new.

[@jeremyroy95]

Same 😂 i have a 13 year old laptop i just use for AOE i have downloaded on it

[@bacon-SG]

At 29:49 you can see that both HD and DE AI have kinda the same advancing age times if you pair them by civilization. Well, all but purple who was getting raided by green.

[@Shero1337]

23:21 That monk tho

[@yasirkula0]

26:40 Monk to the left of TC looks traumatized

[@Biggvs_dickvs]

That monk has severe magnetism.

[@programmer437]

I rarely see DE AI build towers, yet your blue did right from the start. That’s really cool. I’d love to see the AI learn to wall. Right now it rarely builds fortifications besides castles.

[@chasm616]

19:58 AI simulating human players quite well

[@DCdabest]

Yeah I actually lost against a hard ai the other day after this recent update and it was quite a surprise. It hit me so much sooner than I was expecting and it knows to just keep piling on the pain.

[@jschunx5405]

Scumbag Bird Jaguar builds a TC in your base and immediately begins asking you for gold and food.

[@shaunthesheep24]

Tower: *Does it's job defending my town and kills scout* AI: *Sicks it's entire army on tower as an ultimatum* Me: *Quits game*

[@acatpypm]

5:45 i'll assume that lumberjack near tc's name is Michael

[@2009heyhow]

They could make a learning AI. And add that as an experimental option. This should at some point an AI that's impossible to beat. I would be curious to see that AI play a match and learn from that.

[@flameski_]

What's this animation above the mining camp at 14:14?

[@curlywhites]

My assumption is that it's a mod that shows a different animation for a building that's researching something. There are a couple from past events that you could earn.

[@BeyondDM]

Caster of the law? :p T90+SOTL casting WC final, I would like to see that actually :p

[@JammyBriton]

I would love to see how DE's AI reacts to Monk spam from another Ai. Maybe a rematch for the HD AIs?

[@Saturn_57]

Teachers: games dont make kids more inteligent and dont know history. The game of the entire classroom:

[@kamikarii]

I think a 2v2 or 4v4 with each team split 50/50 with DE and HD ai (like 2 DE ai and 2 HD ai on one team) would be very interesting.

[@eschelar]

They should make custom emulations in their engines. Imagine having a random ai player suddenly go full fatslob mode. Hahaha

[@mozarteanchaos]

cyan begging for food 13 times within the second half of the game i was gonna say it has similar energy to red's constant cries for help, but i came up with that before i saw the whole thing, and... christ. what _happened_ to cyan?! why were they so desperate for food, and food alone? was it the house?

[@xi4897]

i think cuz he was being attacked and also attacking at the same time so he needed food to make units

[@hw_yozoraVODS]

i'm pretty sure i can still lose to them, my friends ddeify me fro being good at the game, i have difficulty playing against the new AI

[@jacobmosovich]

I believe they should reimagine the way the AI works. Normally AI doesnt require a mouse to move things around select and do things. I think they should try giving tye AI a mouse per say. They no longer do things as instantly as they usually do but you can see what they do now. You can observe where their mouse is and their thinking when you spectate them. Making the AI play on a players level

[@christopherg2347]

Some remarks: # Both AI only seem to deal with "straggler trees", if they interfere with TC farming space. Doing it as this point also makes sense, given that the AI is abysmal at planning ahead. It can only try to make a clean space now, so it is not blocked by building later. It is the same reason they start with 2 houses then. Remember: Game AI can not plan ahead, not even 1 second. 5:00 I guess you only ever meet Captain Ginyu in a "transitional phase"? 19:50 Pikes can do more damage to riders. But they can not catch the riders or force them to fight. Even if their damage is suboptimal, Skirmishers are much more able to deal damage at all. 18:20 Compounding advantage is the term you might be looking for. It is a common thing in 4X and strategy games and why the early game maters so much: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compound_interest 20:50 "1, 2, 3, 4, I declare a Ram War!" As for the logic: In reality the battering ram is equipment and the crew quite vulnerable to melee attacks. 23:00 I still think the AI is not so much focussing buildings, as attacking buildings because it has nothing else it can do. I thinks it does not (yet) have enough to defeat yellow. There is still pink not haven given up. So cleaning up pink is the next best thing. 27:10 The value of a upgrade, is directly related to how many units you have that would benefit from it. With the more early unit production style, the new AI has more units of any given type and a slightly better economy to get the upgrades with. The upgrades are a rungs on the ladder of "compounding advantage".

[@turtlesandwich77]

I once played a 2v2 Hideout game (I think? A similar map anyway) with 3 DE AI players. My teammate straight up build a camp next to my gold - so I did the same to them.

[@vex355u_fan]

Interestingly, I ran a similar game with the AI on "Hard" and the old "HD" AI won handily.

[@ajeevshrestha]

@ Spirit Of The Law , I think AIs are still very inefficient. I play a lot of Wonder Race game, (on Arabia, standard settings, no laming) using different civs. Khmer has been the best civ for me so far with the quickest timing being 26:12. I use 7 other competing players as extreme AI. And, most of them don't even make it to Imperial Age when I am done with my Wonder. Wonder Race is something I would love to see you dig into, probably a nice sotl video on Wonder Race would quench my thirst. I am a great admirer of your work on AOE2 contents btw.

[@torinjones3221]

Seems alot of these 'new' things the AI does the OG AI did but were removed for HD. Like grouping units and building defensive towers.

[@imadecoy.]

Can't you just set "All visible" instead of using cheats? Or does it affect the AI?

[@antthegord9411]

i hate to say it but I wish the AI communicated its thoughts more often and more clearly because it's so darn cool seeing how it thinks. seeing all of the effort the devs have put into the AI now to make it no longer cheat but remain quite competent is such a treat

[@theodentherenewed4785]

AI improved a lot over the years. It's a decent challenge for players.

[@Buti1986]

When you are doing these AI vs AI games, you can put "reveal the map" on the game settings, the AI play exactly the same with the map revealed or not, they need to scout by themselves to notice anything, so nothing change. Also, I'm pretty sure the HD AI got some updates too in some patchs, it looks better than the AI from the HD version, before this last patch I was playing some 4HD vs 4DE AI matches, and the HD was playing better than the DE in feudal and castle, often even taking down one of the DE flanks, something that they shouldn't be able to do without some upgrades at some point. DE is a lot stronger in imperial tho, a lot better trade and bette army choice and control, so they end up winning even in 3vs4 situations. Is also funny how HD AI and even CD AI (thanks to cheats) is better than DE AI in some game modes like wonder race, they have a better gameplan for that mode, and HD AI have their wonder at 80-90% when the DE AI reaches imp, the CD AI is usually a bit slower, than the HD AI, but they can even win if they are something like spanish and the HD is another civ.

[@fx4d]

I have a hunch the "dive, retreat, dive" mechanic is simply because it doesn't feel good to be steamrolled by a computer. It feels too much like cheating when it's the computer doing it, so giving the opponent a chance to come back is a much better feeling, even if they still eventually get crushed.

[@LolLol-du4xy]

14:13 What on earth is going on with that mining camp?

[@maku4424]

Hey sotl, as an intermediate player, I still struggle sometimes with hard AI's .. probably, I am playing way too defensive! Can you make a video on tips to play against the AI? I like your channel, btw!

[@AegenemmnoN]

The difference is massive. I played against some AI after this update and got stomped hard

[@flydrop8822]

Remember that the extreme difficulty is new so the HD is probably set to Hardest instead as it doesnt have that new setting.

[@plackt]

14:14 what's with the symbols over that mining camp?

[@hemanthsuresh96]

I wonder how AIs communicate if they are mixed. Eg; 2 HD and 1 DE vs 2 DE and 1 HD. Would be interesting

[@ALFversusDONGATO]

I just tested the new AI using Portuguese vs the HD AI using Vikings in Extreme difficulty. The HD AI steamrolled the new AI using those civs. Tough for Portuguese...