300m Feldschiessen 2018: Stgw 57 vs. Bare Schmidt-Rubin G11!

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Bloke and Chap go and shoot the 2018 300m rifle Feldschiessen - The Chap with his Sturmgewehr 57 off a bipod, and The Bloke with his Schmidt-Rubin G11 - with no aids to accurate shooting! Who will win, and will The Bloke even hit the target?
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[@Gakuseinozen]

More of this format. Competitive shooting, and then coffee & a chat. Jealous of that incredible range and the rifles you get to shoot. Cheers.

[@kyleno4mk27]

So jealous of those lovely Stgw 57's you lot get to play with! Also, new life goals, medal at a Feldschiessen.

[@JasperFromMS]

I did get a notification. And most impressive shooting. It shows how the fundamentals of shooting are, well, fundamental.

[@tangero3462]

The Chap's sense of style is unparalleled

[@thebotrchap]

Tangero Errr thanks?

[@Haaraff]

Managed to get 60 with an unmodified 57, 165 with a P210 and 38.2 with an oral thermometer that day...

[@desroin]

When you're German, you've been to Switzerland for a long time and still only understand half of what the guy is saying... BUT nice jacket Bloke!

[@arminiusrex3501]

I am from germany and also for me its a bit hard to understand=-D

[@myparceltape1169]

@@arminiusrex3501 I have no experience but I wonder if you listen to words in the language you grew up in. Similarly the English language has been said to divide a common people, UK and USA, but it might be an artifact of outlook that pushed apart the meaning of how words are used.

[@roadpanzir]

Good to see you two out on the range again, well done!

[@erics2305]

59 points without a rest, congratulations! That was some great shooting. That's a good result even with a Stgw 57 or a Stgw 90.

[@RTJsims]

@bloke, your competitions and shooting videos are some of my favorites. I am going to need to make a point of it to get over there to see those competitions in person.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Great work Lads... Liked the format, by the way...

[@BlokeontheRange]

Thankee koindly, koind zirr (tips massive bearskin hat :) )

[@myparceltape1169]

Good idea to train yourselves to be a very prickly prize when you are small, know it's safer to avoid aggression, but you are landlocked.

[@bertram238]

Hugely excited for your experimental electro EP

[@simonferrer]

Don't feel bad, Chap. I know plenty of people who wouldn't attempt a 300 meter target with a scope, let alone iron sights. The Swiss competition is a rather hard school in that regard, and I would say that both you and the Bloke are well above the average of most general shooters. Certainly in the original martial sense of the match you were effective on target.

[@thebotrchap]

I rallied in the afternoon with a medal in pistol with 169/180 with my 1909 Luger, one handed old skool cool stylee.

[@stillbruch2009]

Speaking of "hard school". Most of my colleagues from our local shooting club consider any result below 62 as rather mediocre, unless you were shooting with a K11/31 or IG in an unsupported stance - like Bloke did. (You need at least 57 points to get the medal called "Kranz" if you are between 21 to 59 years old).

[@thebotrchap]

Some shooters have an inflated opinion of themselves ;-)

[@simonferrer]

The Chap Excellent! In general, would you say that you favor pistol shooting more than rifle?

[@thebotrchap]

simonferrer No not really, I shoot about average in both, just had a bad day on this occasion.

[@casualobserver3145]

Congrats Bloke! Chap certainly started out quite well.

[@arieheath7773]

Damn fine shooting there Bloke.

[@TheOz91]

I love the sound damping tunnel

[@jonasbaeckman9833]

no, they are not realy cool imho - those tunnels can be quite anoying, blowing dust into you face evertime you push the trigger

[@LF1988]

Nice shooting i missed it this year greetings from another shooter from bern

[@FreakyFred1234]

Video found in subscription list from 1 hour ago. No problem here - from mobile in UK

[@hamm6035]

That Sir was an excellent example of a superb Rifleman. A G-11, open sights, just superb. To your shooting companion. Beautiful weapon, you may, possibly, have a rifle that as it gets a little dirty there is an impact change. Oh and you should in no way be embarrassed because you shot exceptionally well. Just not your day to win.

[@TheSwissGabber]

de ander, 59 mit kimme korn .. geile siech!

[@ragnarragnarsson6636]

En ächte Gigu!

[@drheud1512]

Bringt no mänge mit em 90er nid häre

[@tommihommi1]

these tunnels do a remarkable job

[@glockerbob]

Well done Bloke!!!

[@aries_9130]

Man, that looks like so much fun.

[@blancsteve4819]

Jolly good show.

[@minutemanqvs]

Ah and by the way Chap, try firing the winter trigger with one finger in the trigger guard and one finger under...the position is much more natural and it’s still light. That’s how I shoot.

[@fab006]

minutemanqvs Or with the index finger at the “crease”, like with a normal trigger. Need to drop your hand low on the grip, though.

[@peteraugust5295]

I had no idea that DJ bobo owns a stg57... Nice!

[@merlemorrison482]

I was wondering how you were going to check those targets - nice setup!

[@fatmandoobius]

I got the vid in my sub feed just fine. In fact your post about something going on was right above it.

[@BlokeontheRange]

Thanks. I think it's YT's views counter being squiffy again. The vid is stuck on 180 views in the dashboard.

[@RedTSquared]

Good shooting Guys!! Love watching folks doing long range open sight shooting. I personally am not that good and just don't get the time to 'cheat' and get to a range to practice! Lol, cheat.. love it. Congrats on your medal and Chap, that was very good as well! Just under your medal so, get out and cheat some!

[@mongolike513]

Sorry, I forgot to register my positive enjoyment of your antics, I am not part of the troll army, just another child of the 50. As a target shooter of iron sighted No3 smle 303 in the 60s you have infected me with an almost unhealthy yearning for a K31 if I don’t have to wear the uniform.

[@Antigonus.]

"You're welcome to try it." No, no he is not. The Chap on the other hand... if he keeps those sunglasses on...

[@mannys9130]

I saw this video just fine in my subscription feed. This video was there, followed by your warning of fuckery being afoot. I don't have notifications enabled for any channel though so I don't get push notifications that pop up on my phone or anything.

[@minutemanqvs]

65 for me, but with my 57/03. As long as I have the medal, it’s a job done good enough :p

[@safarisauer3160]

Could you please made a review about the Swiss MG51 machine gun? very few informations about this gun

[@thomaschristener9264]

My last Feldschiessen is many years ago - i think, i'll let my SG550 at home and take my granpa's G11. Let's see if i can medal with that thing too!

[@cheesenoodles8316]

The Rubin G11 is a beautiful rifle.....

[@sdivico228]

I like the very patriotic swiss wrestling shirt the Chap is wearing!

[@chrisjung3538]

Très bon tir avec le K11. 👍👍 Pour le fass 57, il aurait fallu régler la hauteur. Tous les coups trop bas. Bravo à tous les deux.

[@siestatime4638]

That looks so different from the "field shooting" that I'm used to! (western USA)

[@fab006]

Siesta Time and we’re probably both jealous of each other ;-)

[@FortuneZer0]

Had 66 and 164 respectively.

[@thebotrchap]

I picked myself up and medalled with 169 in pistol (Parabellum)

[@FedericoStivan]

I've done a 56 with my fass90, next year I must beat the Bloke!

[@luzianwasescha6056]

66 for me

[@filtonkingswood]

Where are you Gentlemen shooting? I live in Switzerland and own several SRs and an Stgw 57. Recently got back into shooting after a 25 year break. Looking for a friendly range.

[@bloodCount8895]

God I've always wanted a PE57

[@RobertoDonatti]

Something is wrong. I saw your warning in my phone, there was no video. Grabbed my tablet and the video was there. Dark forces at play?

[@jonasbaeckman9833]

I got 70 - but with a fully pimped STGW 57

[@thebotrchap]

jonas baeckman Nice!

[@kloetili]

Uh-oh Chap. We have to talk about your trigger pulling technique my friend at 10:31

[@drheud1512]

Looks alright to me

[@pickeljarsforhillary102]

KZbin isnt notifying now.

[@markbryant1781]

For the 1911, would you simply do a hasty sling were you to use it? Any way to rig a loop? It’s awesome to see these kind of 300m shooting videos with irons. Unfortunately most people in Missouri only focus on hunting distances (0-200 yd) rather than this kind of competition.

[@BlokeontheRange]

We have to use a service-length sling attached in the service fashion, so hasty sling is the only way to do it.

[@DrGraypFroot]

Nice coat ;) Those are Motorfahrer-badges, aren't they? I'm curious, did you buy it? Or are you a Swiss dude who just speaks English really well? :D Nice video!

[@BlokeontheRange]

I bought it

[@KB9813]

I've done that at my Swiss club. First time lol. Miscommunicate which target.

[@eugeneslagle7935]

Almost reminds me of a running joke my best friend & I have when we go to the range. My groups are usually much better than his & where they should be which I in turn remind him. He: Air force. I: Ground troop. It's all in good fun, good shooting guys.

[@battleranch]

Here is what I think happened. I think the lack of Chap-cat in the video cursed the chap and moved his groups in a way only Chap-cat magic can. I think Bloke on the Range would benefit greatly from more Chap-cat.

[@thebotrchap]

battleranch Tacticat is not desensitised to gunfire, she much prefers the tranquil sighs of the reloading press

[@battleranch]

Perhaps Tacticat just needs a cameo? Like a post credits thing to Let viewers know that the Bloke and Chap will be back next week for more adventures in the Swiss country side! But all things being equal I tried this shoot on my own in Canada and can say you handily beat me. Kings to you sir!

[@diltzm]

Saw G11 at the beginning and was disappointed not to see the HK tactical samsonite.

[@BlokeontheRange]

eh?

[@diltzm]

When it said Stg57 vs G11 I immediately thought of the caseless ammo HK prototype from the 1980s.

[@BlokeontheRange]

Aaaahhhhh! :)

[@quentintin1]

a 2.2kg trigger seems not so bad, i did some shoot with a MAS 49 and it has a 4kg trigger, there is a lighter trigger for the 49/56 at 3.5kg (numbers from the army parts catalog) and i believe it is the same trigger for the 49/56 MSE (modifié saint-etienne) which was a modification for competition shooting (mostly an adjustable stock with pistol grip and finer iron sights) so yeah, 2.2 doesn't seem that bad

[@Haaraff]

The 2200 g are with winter trigger, just beneath the trigger guard. Without winter trigger it takes 4.4 kg.Before competitions, rifles are inspected by gunsmiths and trigger weight is tested with a go/no go test weight, and usually a 2200 g weight is used www.schiessanlage.ch/pdf/Waffenkontrolle%20SBV_Version%202010.pdf

[@midgrave]

Ja

[@parabelumsq2lkt960]

👍👍👍

[@AgrippaKCsGunTime]

i just shot my first match with an M1911 open sights and scored a 54… no medal, but close and virtually no practice. LOL it was tough.

[@yevgenz]

Oh man you are twins.

[@RabeHK]

I personally hate those sound dampening tubes

[@rubenskiii]

Glad to hear you are free of aids!

[@Cesko_Plny_Fialovejch_Zmrdu]

Why are you shooting through a MRI machine?

[@minuteman4199]

So jealous! My range is an old gravel pit.

[@ntphong999]

Bad range is better than no range :)

[@David-uk3nv]

I also did 59 with my 90.

[@foobar201]

Exactly the same here. First time I beat my dad :)

[@juststeve5542]

Chap?! What happened? Your first shots were so nice, I thought you were going to sort out that peskie Bloke for once! Nice shooting Bloke.

[@BlokeontheRange]

You can see - he adjusted his clothing then when he got back in position he'd rocked back on the bipod a touch. They're super sensitive to that.

[@juststeve5542]

...and the rear sight "drifting".... *cough*

[@BlokeontheRange]

rearsight stayed put. But if you rock back on the bipod, the POI will change. Now we know in which direction and by how much, lol :D

[@juststeve5542]

Be careful Bloke, Chap is now calibrated ;-)

[@danhoward1163]

Why does the scoring monitor make that mechanical sound?

[@thebotrchap]

What you can hear are the printers of the score recording stations behind the shooters.

[@danhoward1163]

Retro dot matrix scoring.

[@marcothommen2484]

Schwingerhömmli!

[@Kman31ca]

Oh my lord do I ever want a Stgw 57.... Drool....lol

[@danemarley2866]

Is there an exporter that sells and ships Stgw parts to the USA? I have a NIB SG 510 that was sold without a Flash Hider. I would like to buy an original and the front site base with bayonet lug.

[@BlokeontheRange]

The flash hider isn't a separate part, it's integrally machined into the barrel. Talk to Robert at Grünig + Elmiger (you can find them with Google), he'll be able to sort you out with a recycled one cut with the thread of your choice.

[@danemarley2866]

@@BlokeontheRange My SG 510 T AMT has a threaded barrel. I was looking for the correct Swiss Made FH for that Barrel. The rifle has never been assembled. The pistol grip and sling are still wrapped in paper and plastic. There is plastic cover around the barrel.

[@BlokeontheRange]

Unlikely to find one here... If you know what the thread is and how long it is, Robert could recycle a Stgw 57 one for you.

[@Treblaine]

The G11 Rifle! No, not that one.

[@krinkov39]

Can someone on vacation from the US shoot in one of these competitions?

[@thebotrchap]

krinkov39 Feldschiessen, yes although it helps to know someone from the club you intend to shoot at.

[@peterkunz3092]

Isn‘t the pedestal for senior class? Let’s do 2019 together, I’ll bring my PE90😁 and then we’ll do 25m with the P49...

[@BlokeontheRange]

In the Feldschiessen and Obligatorisch anyone can use a rest with a bolt-action, unlike in the other normal competitions.

[@Braun30]

Years ago the Fass57 was limited only to the central bipod position, in about 1998 the fore position was allowed, granting much better results. Thas for all shooting events. The military Federal events such as the Tiro Federale in Campagna and the Tiro Obbligatorio have always allowed some rest for the K31 and earlier models.

[@mongolike513]

That was no sloth that was my......

[@mongolike513]

Wired up in hospital one time the drinks trolley lady gave me a cup of tea which within 5 minutes had the alarms ringing and the emergency ressuss team galloping to my rescue , maybe because it was black with a sugar (spare me) .

[@thebotrchap]

I have it black no sugar. For some reason the specific combo of tea and milk makes me feel like blowing chunks. It's proof I'm not genetically British ;-)

[@jamespfp]

11:13 -- RE: "Two hundred and thirty-three, and a third?" -- Needs more "Terry Jones pretending to be a woman", Bloke. #SPAM #RipTerrry

[@blueband8114]

Ah bit of meddling/ receiving a Medal .

[@fab006]

60 and 169 for me. Wasn’t so satisfied with my rifle shooting...

[@fab006]

With a Stgw 90 and a Glock 17 ;-)

[@thebotrchap]

I got 169 too, but with a 00/06 DWM Parabellum.

[@fab006]

I saw. And one-handed, no less. Congratulations! (Though by the typical reaction at the range when I unpack my Glock, you'd think I'd be lucky to hit the target at all :D "Mit dem Plastikding triffsch doch nüt!" )

[@thebotrchap]

fab006 Holding a parabellum two handed is just awkward. I shot equal my lane neighbour who was using a P210 two handed. By rights he should have beaten me easily.

[@fab006]

Perhaps that is why they have always felt unpleasantly awkward in my hands. The P210 is basically cheating, though ;-)

[@almaldon]

Hello Bloke, which shooting club are you member of?

[@1903a3rem]

what is this rifle competition ? Can a foreigner , a American shoot there? can I use a No 1 MK3 Enfield or 1903a3 Remington?

[@thebotrchap]

Randolph Salisbury The competition is open to anyone over 16. Swiss service rifles only with approved accessories (there is an official list).

[@Soupishome]

Where did Chap get his shirt?

[@BlokeontheRange]

Probably from Landi :)

[@thebotrchap]

Landi - What else?!

[@Soupishome]

Shame, they don’t ship to the US. Great channel gentlemen thank you.

[@Haaraff]

You might want to have a look at Jenni Hemden, they are an original manufacturer and will also ship to other countries. shop.jennihemden.ch/original-edelweisshemd-ok-halbgeknoepft-ohne-kragen-3002-p.html

[@Soupishome]

Thanks I will consider them 84 Franks is quite a bit more than 22.

[@bhoward9378]

Great shooting, the pair of you. That is a very interesting electronic scoring device; I must look into that. By the way, Swiss German is practically indecipherable to me (as I'm sure it is for many others). What is the range master saying? Surely it can't be "hey Arschloch," but that's certainly what it sounds like. Cheers!

[@thebotrchap]

B Howard What he says in high German is “Anschlagen”, which effectively means “bring to ready position”. In the local dialect it is more “Aaschlaa” 😊

[@edgarkrattiger9185]

Haha ... Yes that was also the reason for the Swiss embassy in the old Sowjetunion, to speak through the phones in swiss german only..even the secret service there was unable to understand what they are speaking about..

[@johnm3907]

The jacket is falling off him..

[@BlokeontheRange]

Military wear comes in two sizes only: too big, and too small. This one used to be the latter. Now it's the former :D :D :D

[@johnm3907]

Bloke on the Range haha

[@yevgenz]

Is that your elder brother? Love your vids. Regards from Yevgen, Ukraine.

[@thebotrchap]

yevgenz No relation on any level 😝

[@enscroggs]

That hat makes you look like Captain Piatt, sorry.

[@lleppala]

The announcer sounds like he is saying "Hei arschloch" lol.

[@BlokeontheRange]

He's saying "Aaschlaa" = Anschlagen in Hochdeutsch = Present / Aim,

[@lleppala]

Swiss German just sounds like lazily spoken normal German half of the time. Its such a weird language

[@BlokeontheRange]

Swiss German in general is lazy German. Bernese, particularly so :D

[@ivanverastegui7405]

Ü

[@davypeace8127]

StGw57 em Schiibestand met em Winterabzog gschosse. Grööööööööööööööl.

[@thearchibaldtuttle]

Än Scharfschütz!! LOL

[@petergosden1]

Hello 'Bloke'. Can you tell us about those 'sound deadening tubes'. What is their purpose? What is the electrical connection? Do they truly deaden the sound, don't appear to in the video? Are they commercial items? Thanks. Do keep producing your videos, entertaining and informative. Peter.

[@Blackstone9x19]

Haven't shot through those tubes myself, but have shot at another Swiss range with electronic scoring. The electrical connection may be to tell the scoring system that a shot was fired from this firing point. This means that if someone else shoots on your target (which happens more than you think), it won't be scored for you. I could be wrong, but it's what makes the most sense to me.

[@thebotrchap]

That's right, it is an acoustic sensor which correlates with the impact sensor on the target frame. Since only two types of ammo are fired through a set range of rifles, the velocities are known, hence if the frame doesn't register an impact after so many milliseconds, it counts as a miss.

[@BlokeontheRange]

Yes, they do deaden the sound, for the benefit of those outside the range. We couldn't have filmed the intro where we did without them.

[@petergosden1]

Thanks, very helpful. Peter.

[@C172Pilotdude]

STGw 57 doesn't really exist in the USA. Very disappointing. I have wanted one for some time. Very strange rifle.

[@edgarkrattiger9185]

Yes thy were sold in the US also buut..$$$$ hehe...10 times more expensive then in Switzerland..there they are selling 4 around $300-500

[@aynjeleyes]

No notification because I was un subscribed

[@jopinofcabra]

Your comment about practice made me wonder if you were exposed at an early age to Flanders and Swann's "A Song of Patriotic Prejudice"....

[@BlokeontheRange]

"And practice beforehand, which spoils the fun" :D

[@mongolike513]

Fully armed hipsters on a caffeine high. What could go wrong? Which one of you dudes is colourblind?

[@thebotrchap]

The definition of hipster must have changed recently. I'll have you know that was good strong Yorkshire Tea, not some homeopathic jungle weed handpicked by free roaming sloths high on acid.

[@heinzruffieux5817]

Very nice results! I am impressed. But this is not a real Feldschiessen. You need to attend a Feldschiessen in the Canton of Freiburg where they are organised regionally with 1500-2000 attendees organised in series of 60 participants on natural ground (as you said) in parallel with commanded fire as you had. THAT is a REAL Feldschiessen. :-)

[@thebotrchap]

I take it you didn’t see our Murtenschiessen and Neueneggschiessen vids then 😉 Big crowds there too. One day we’ll make it to an actual Schutzenfest.

[@heinzruffieux5817]

@@thebotrchap No I dd not. But I am participating at the Murtenschiessen since many years. 🤣 Yes, same crowd/concept like the Feldschiessen

[@slaughterround643]

Why does that guy keep calling someone an 'arschloch'? Doesn't that mean arsehole?

[@BlokeontheRange]

Can't say I noticed that.... if I had, I'd have edited it out... Timestamp?

[@bleh8789]

Bloke on the Range 3:33

[@bleh8789]

Also 4:30 i think

[@slaughterround643]

4:36 (I think?), 6:39 My German's not as good as my French so he could just be saying something that sounds like it! Sorry to cause you worry if it isn't.

[@bleh8789]

Yeah about every time you are about to shoot i can hear some dude saying hey arschloch

[@dermotrooney9584]

Sling = ming. Learn to live without the crutch.

[@BlokeontheRange]

Erm, it's not a crutch, it's absolutely essential for properly accurate shooting if you're not allowed a rest or a bipod.

[@dermotrooney9584]

Bloke on the Range - "but with the blast shield down I can't even see..." The sling is a range shotist's affectation. Before you know it you'll be wanting optics, bags and rimless cartridges.

[@BlokeontheRange]

As you say, it's a range shooting affectation. The kind of shooting being done here is exactly that. Sling support has no place on a battlefield, but that's not where we're shooting - we're doing affected target shooting. You'll note in the mad minute series I have not used a sling, for this very reason.

[@dermotrooney9584]

I know. I'm only teasing. Keep doing the good stuff.

[@myparceltape1169]

@@BlokeontheRange Thanks for that bit about the sling. In Northern Ireland the soldiers (loose word, includes RM and others) only seemed to have the sling attached to the butt of their FNs whether they were on static guard or hanging on the back of a Land Rover as it went quickly through the town. The other end was a sewn loop. They put the right hand through that.

[@deanhankio6304]

can you stop cheating by using the winter trigger which has less kilos ? This is meant ONLY in winter with gloves.

[@BlokeontheRange]

So you haven't even got a passing acquaintance of the competition rules, nor do you know where the trigger weight is measured on a Stgw. 57...

[@Spitsz01]

Sounds like crappy ammo to me

[@Haaraff]

What does good ammo sound like? Please elaborate...

[@jamesreid7357]

I really do wish you’d change that into.. it’s god awful and annoying

[@jeanmac271]

Your video is zero and a very bad example, for example we do not shoot at FAS 57 with the bipods in front that if it has been modified for this position is made for burst shooting !!

[@BlokeontheRange]

When on earth was the last time you attended a competition? Most people shoot with it in the forward position these days, and have for ages! Hilfsmittelverzeichnis, 3.1: "Die Ordonnanz-Zweibeinstütze, die bewilligten verstellbaren Zweibeinstützen und die bewilligte Kurz-Zweibeinstütze dürfen sowohl als Mittel- wie auch als Vorderstütze eingesetzt werden."