$400 Stgw 57 to $4000 Stgw 57: Detail Strip And Competition Upgrade! SIG 510 / Sturmgewehr 57

Robert of Gruenig and Elmiger (can't link, YT rules, Google is your friend) takes us through a detail strip of a Swiss Army SIG 510 / Sturmgewehr 57 in 7.5x55 GP11, and then gets it competition ready with a Dobler Mantelrohr (barrel shroud), new match barrel, and match sights! Thanks, Robert! It was a real privilege to see an expert at work!
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[@KGDJLX]

It's 2 am and I'm a Canadian watching a British expat trying to explain American gun memes to a Swiss gunsmith. I need to go reflect on some life choices.

[@truckerallikatuk]

And how awesome they are?

[@paddy2019]

@Elmsy What's wrong with being Canadian?

[@paddy2019]

@Elmsy Oh ok, so there's nothing wrong with Canadians. You just wanted to bait us into some military elitism debate with your negative comment. Get a life bud.

[@jameshealy4594]

I'm Australian, love Canada and Canadians (lived in Toronto for 6 months, managed to avoid taking a position regarding hockey!). It must get really annoying when basically the instant anyone admits to being Canadian, some American feels the need to flop their cock out and start waving it around, usually despite being a basement dweller. Not every country measures itself by the damage it could do to others, ok America? You guys are cool too, I just get a little tired of all the waving cocks.

[@paddy2019]

@Elmsy luv u too xx

[@PaladinStem]

I sure would like a $400 stgw 57. 😔

[@marcogram1216]

Yeah, no shit.

[@johndoe-so2ef]

Did a quick check. 400 francs is about 450 bucks, add tax and transfer, it would be a 500 STGW 57. Hope that makes you feel better about things 😂🤣

[@DeplorableBitterClinger]

Come to Switzerland, it's nice. And I wouldn't be shocked if the laws in the US become worse than the ones here in the next decade.

[@PaladinStem]

@@DeplorableBitterClinger they are definitely trying. Going to need to make a list of options.

[@ZanXpeacemaker0989]

I'll take 2 lol

[@karood-dog3584]

That was one of the best Bloke on the range videos so far , It was also extra impressive that Robert did the whole thing in English!!

[@DeplorableBitterClinger]

Almost everyone in Switzerland does very well in English. Learning German was hard because as soon as you struggle people want to switch to English for you. There were a couple points where he had to look for words, but because he and Bloke also both speak firearms fluently he was able to provide them as a smooth part of the conversation. The whole thing was quite impressive.

[@onpsxmember]

Drink every time he says "It really helps to clean the gun from time to time." Something in the way he says it has that long year professional service personal sigh in it, preaching the same and people won't listen while it remedies most problems. I'm glad I saved this video a few days to really enjoy it at the right time. Outstanding work on the cam, always showing the details and bombarding with the right questions and Robert did an outstanding job explaining everything, showing damaged parts. There is probably no better video on this gun. Robert at 1:13:15 **reads subtitles** The same to my ears as well.

[@tannerquismundo1754]

I love that he keeps random bits of failed parts around to help tell some of his stories

[@danielkaczynski9702]

Indeed. Some years ago I paid ( yet another ) visit to my friendly neighborhood gun shop and the owner showed me a black powder rifle that the previous owner had loaded with smokeless powder! Sometimes a chunk of exploded metal is worth a thousand words.

[@peteraugust5295]

thats what you get when prototyping. Failure is the success in this case.

[@mrkeogh]

​@@peteraugust5295 All those broken bits and failed designs point you in the right direction if you persevere :)

[@Javic167]

The stone was left from the InRangeTV mud test.

[@FortuneZer0]

Seeger rings are great. Though not the new ones without the holes. Great video and introduction to the Elmer + Grünig process.

[@svenjonsson9]

Fascinating to see a gunsmith who specializes in them go through it and point out some of the quirks (and flaws) of the design, and also to watch him take it apart so effortlessly! Great video Bloke, thanks for sharing!

[@DanyLeeRoth]

I was Corporal in the Swiss army, i get mine in 1982, great precision but heavy specialy during the 50 km march.

[@decnet100]

Was really a joy watching Robert go through this. Me, never having seen one other than in Ian's (ForgottenWeapons) video, would always have ass-umed they were indeed over-complicated and fragile, hard to work on and so on. Him just reassembling the whole roller-assembly within a couple seconds (46:45 on), basically with hands and flat-bladed screwdriver (optional), puts it all into perspective - when you know what you're doing, they seem to be quite easy to maintain and actually cleverly laid out.

[@REXOB9]

Thanks for this video. Robert has an amazing workspace - every tool has its place. Fine Swiss craftsmanship, and it is a joy to watch him work. And he even knows what a "Bubba" is! Don't think I'll be drinking Ballistol for an upset stomach though.

[@PapaSchultz74]

He forgot to mention that the old chaps drink that when they have stomach problems because of to much drinking. Any harmless oil would do the trick. Like olive oil for example.

[@renngretsch]

BOTR really is an educational gem...The Swiss traditionally hang random gun parts on their Christmas trees! Who knew!

[@JaredBallou]

I like how at 2:45 the rifle is intact and he's just like "we checked the chamber, it's no problem" and then a casual flourish and 6 seconds later we see the gun stripped into major components.

[@314299]

Super interesting stuff, many thanks to this expert for showing us around the "guts" of an Stgw 57!

[@johnegan7622]

Get video. Robert did a great job explaining everything in probably his 3rd or 4th language. Deeply envious, we in Ireland aren't allowed to own nice things.

[@papajon6715]

No matter if you were a supporter of the Yankees or Confederates during the troubles half of everyone you know either has a toy under the floorboards or inside the walls for the next time. (Or should...)

[@johnegan7622]

@@papajon6715 nah, it's not like that in Ireland today. You have to remember that in the 1970s we had the Dessie O'Malley orchestrated Great Gun Theft which led to 30k to 40k guns being stolen by the State. Then in 2009 with the change to 3yr licences, 10s of thousands of old guns were destroyed. Most Irish people believe Hollywood or the British animal rights groups when it comes to guns or hunting.

[@Javic167]

Die Werbung durch die Balistol-Tüte ist super. :D

[@Matt_The_Hugenot]

An underappreciated rifle, great value in issue configuration if one lives somewhere owning one is practical.

[@thomjarman]

practical err not allowed in my case

[@Matt_The_Hugenot]

@@thomjarman also where I live currently.

[@thomjarman]

@@Matt_The_Hugenot uk?

[@Matt_The_Hugenot]

@@thomjarman Yes, can't have one here, unfortunately.

[@colbunkmust]

How is the owner going to launch death-carrots with that new match barrel!?!?

[@thatsquidwardfeel5567]

accurately, I'd say.

[@Reactordrone]

Its carrot launching days are over now.

[@davidbrennan660]

Unleash that pesty wabbit.

[@afrog2666]

DLC, it just works

[@Anon.Emouse]

Thoroughly enjoyed watching this. As an Aussie I've got zero chance of ever seeing an Stgw 57, let alone owning or shooting one. I did at least feel some sort of connection when he put the diopter sights on it. I have a set on my small bore match rifle and it's surprising how accurate they are.

[@todroach3738]

In all seriousness, very impressive to watch someone like Robert put his skills to work.

[@Mac-pi4cy]

Robert is clearly an expert at his trade. I was delighted when he dropped the spanner Alan key thing. Its not just me then I thought.... Great content!,, thank you Bloke

[@thegoldencaulk2742]

It is awesome to see a qualified armorer work on a relatively unknown rifle like this. There's so much valuable insight here that you wouldn't get just owning and shooting one.

[@Sman7290]

Stgw 57 for $300 to $400? You're killing me here.

[@CHmale81]

Welcome to Switzerland

[@3isr3g3n]

Yeah they're still cheap af, i'm gonna get my permit and Stgw 57 soon. I already have a K31 and K11 on my wall because these don't even require a permit, just a form you fill out when you get it that you send to the local PD.

[@PapaSchultz74]

You lucky bxxxds. Love from the neighbour's in France. Vive la Suisse.

[@3isr3g3n]

@@PapaSchultz74 Ayy mate thanks for the cultural heritage. Im in the german speaking part and we still use words like portemonnaie and trottoir daily. Vive la France!

[@berryreading4809]

Think you could mail over some ammo then? All calibers please 😄👍

[@swissbob789]

Really enjoyed that. Fascinating watching Robert gunsmithing. Something I have an appreciation of having recently had to take some air guns apart.

[@xgford94]

Love the snic-snak sound of close tolerance parts fitting together

[@ronaldwilson3503]

In the U.S. here. I have a couple of the beautiful STG 57 bayonets and sure wish we could get the guns here to go with them especially at that price. Love the videos!

[@Americanstruggle]

You had me glued in the first 3 minutes. Gun nerds love this shit! Doesn't matter the firearm, but the work we get to see put into it.

[@jasonjarvis2198]

I switched my smallbore rifle stock to a G&E XRS last season and love it! Please ask G&E if you can film a tour of their factory.

[@spoeny]

Even though I live about 15min from them, that would be awesome!

[@dieselten01]

If I lived there I would have 3 of these rifles. One as issued, one as issued but with the free float handguard, and one full blown G&E custom. Awesome job! Awesome rifle! Thanks for this!

[@monkeyship74401]

I would like to see this shot at a match. I also wish that a $400 rifle like this was available in the US. (or the $4000 version for that matter) Please let Robert know that his English is much better than my German, or French or English. Please include more content like this.

[@woooshmeifurmumdroppeduasa3375]

I actually enjoyed this, I didn’t think I would

[@nuangel]

Fabulous work !!!...the rifle looks reborn ! Worth every penny that upgrade.

[@ianphil397]

I think it's obvious the pebble bedding was a previous attempt to accurize the rifle.

[@EminemLovesGrapes]

This reminds me of the Anvil series from Mark Novak which I first found when Ian brought his chauchat mags for him to fix. I find this stuff facinating, and it's awesome that Robert's allowing us to have a look with him.

[@nickjames2370]

Thank you Bloke and Robert, that was fascinating.

[@ArchieBunker1974]

Absolutely fascinating. I could watch that for hours. More please!

[@richardvillarino7996]

Robert is a patient and well practiced master at this. Good camera work made this very educational as well. Thanks

[@petesheppard1709]

It's fun to watch a craftsman at work.

[@fatcat3211]

I learned something new here about ballistol oil.

[@joemama.556]

this weapon is trully a swiss watch from the engineering perspective. I am spanish and having being around cetmes and g3's deffinetelly made me appreciate all the bits where the swiss went to perfect the roller delayed blowback system. its trully amazing, hands down design and work by the gunsmith!

[@angusgreeneyeslefay9485]

Yes yes yesss!!!This was the best video of the chanell hands down.True adult Swiss-Gun-Nerd Porn.Everything in this video was awesome ,begining with the soothing voice of the gunsmith ,wonderfu ,just wonderful.I implore you to make more videos like this .

[@uazfoursixnine]

I most likely will never own one, but it was still fun to watch :)

[@My-You-TubeAAA]

Very well done! Hope will see more coming!

[@heinrichnitschke5485]

Absolutely loved this content. I was glued to my screen from start to finish. More please.

[@kalaharimine]

Fascinating for sure, well done Gents. Surprising how heavy duty the barrel, trunion and parts, and so many bits.

[@mohammedcohen]

...thanx, Bloke, for that dig at the dummies in DC..."shoulder 'thing' that goes up"...indeed!!!

[@wrxs1781]

Great video Bloke, I must say Robert knows his stuff.

[@matthaught4707]

Excellent video, it's really fascinating to see one of these guns, so rare in the US, stripped down and so well explained. Also, SHOULDER THING THAT GOES UP FTMFW!

[@papaske3375]

I'm in USA, won't ever get to see or shoot those type of rifles. But, I thoroughly enjoyed watching the excellent rebuild and gunsmithing.

[@danielkaczynski9702]

I"d love to get just a garden variety K31, but looking at the price tags on the ones available here in the USA causes STICKER SHOCK!

[@rudolfkorinek9829]

Oh, that’s a long one, better crack open a ballistol or two

[@pikeywyatt]

Thank you that was very in lightning.so nice to see a man at ease in his work.

[@Punisher9419]

Been waiting for this for years. I love watching craftsmen doing their thing.

[@chrisserre6854]

Hi bloke. Fabulous documentary. Good job. Chris

[@Mainsail1975au]

Great video to watch. Many thanks to Robert.

[@tangero3462]

Really excellent video. Thanks for showing us how the sausage is made, so to speak

[@seand3103]

One gungeek to another this was right up my alley!

[@peteraugust5295]

If you introduce swiss people to the great sport of apple throwing, I am sure they would find ways to build 4000$ competition apples in their little mountain hut workshops.

[@afrog2666]

Nah, just invite Joerg Sprave to make something out of planks and duct tape :D

[@artiem5262]

thank you -- Robert is an expert and an artist!

[@WreckedEm]

This video legitmitely makes me want to be a gunsmith. Thanks Bloke and Robert!

[@cgoad]

I loved this video. The detailed descriptions - and the funny asides. Christmas tree ornament Robert? Really? - make this one of your best videos. More please! 🇨🇦

[@anthonyburke5656]

Thank you for this, more education than I deserve

[@paulfeist]

"Bubba" is known to any Gunsmith, anywhere in the world... He speaks every language (badly) and is hated by all good gun collectors and shooters. I was a Gunsmith, and I've had to fix his work! May the fleas of a thousand camels find homes in his shorts. My respect to Robert of G&E! I've seen one of their rifles and it's artwork!

[@scousewillo62]

I was engrossed the whole way through. Would love more content like this. Roy UK

[@davidflanagan1653]

I enjoyed that one ,look forward to more like it , hopefully

[@AbananaPEEl]

Also, Thank you for this very interesting look at a European version of Anvil!

[@hiramabiff885]

Fabulous video Thank you! I have a SIG AMT and this alchemy is priceless.

[@emoryzakin2576]

This was heavenly thank you. I’d love to do some more technical type videos like this but with the k31 and 1911 pattern rifles. So many are showing up here with impress work from swapped barrels, target sights, and re blueing. I’d love to see an old Swiss gunsmith discussing competition work on the wooden stocked guns. Thank you for the content

[@finley686]

in a small neighborhood in OKC a recently widowed woman brought in her deceased husbands "ugly" guns to the police chief cause she didn't know where else to go. One of them was a new pe-57. my dad took a pic with it so he could show me after it got developed a few days later, I was in high school so around 1998-99. The chief obviously took it home and despite me asking about it for over 20 years I can't get him to mention it, let alone sell it to me, but this started my fondness of Swiss arms.

[@kylegoldston]

What a beautiful monster of a " Mando " pulse rifle! I love it, the ATF should exempt these rifles. Almost no one would ever want to shoot beautiful 7.5x55mm surplus full auto anyway. We can only dream.

[@foxtrotromeo25]

Wow! SIG nerd heaven!

[@TheEdmond30]

what a dude. thats quality content

[@petev.6598]

Thanks Robert!

[@Rabhadh]

Fantastic, very enjoyable video. The gunsmithing and the conversation were both great.

[@agentorange1291]

I just bought an upgrade kit for my STGW57 to make it a STGW57/03 for competition shooting. But I keep the W+F barrel for the beginning and will install a G&E match barrel later if necessary.

[@Chlorate299]

Say what you might about the looks of the Stgw 57, they are *really* nicely designed.

[@jonasbaeckman9833]

Verry interesting, in deed - thanx a lot for those insights. Funny thing is G&E Barell is said to shoot better free-floating but the Spielmann seams to be better in non free-floating configuration. there is a religious war ongoing on this topic. And Yes, those stgw 57 in the Ordonanz 03 configurations are real divas but if you have a good one and treat it right - she might be good for 98+ results on 300m. If she is in the mood....

[@LostDaemon]

Cool video. Need more.

[@broken6747]

What a cool af video.. thanks .. very interesting...

[@Ggwp15mins]

It is essentially a new rifle now, but i'd love a $400 Stgw 57! I'll buy it for $800!

[@martin09091989]

Truly Swiss! Even the bolt assembly Hase more parts than your whole k98! 😁

[@gabemando7823]

Geekery+Swiss+roller delayed= a good day. Too bad it’s not long enough

[@antoninolatorre8355]

a very much interesting video and a goodness gunsmith ... awesome

[@ralphwatten2426]

Now we'll take a short break while Robert takes a pipe wrench to the old barrel.

[@walesdave]

That was very enjoyable.....more please :-)

[@supcool10]

This guy is amazing

[@peterparsons7141]

Well done gentleman! Very enjoyable to watch a skilled man work. Camera was good, I’m a 50year gun guy and I always learn new stuff, and confirm what know. I don’t own one, but I want one ! The machine work, on the bolt, and guts gives me warm and fuzzy feelings of old machine works... ohhh yeah.. magnets on high recoil mounts, and threaded oppose force.. makes you think !

[@clarkrichards1907]

Mow that was funny, "shoulder thing that goes up?".

[@b19931228]

What a beauty.

[@vandahm]

You can get a Stgw 57 for $400 in Switzerland?!?!?

[@thebotrchap]

Even cheaper in private sales

[@ApurtureSci]

Two sold for a tad over £150 each in a recent UK auction. Hardly anyone can buy them so they go super cheap 🤷‍♂️

[@thebotrchap]

@@ApurtureSci Ah but that’s a supply and demand reason, which applies here too with full auto stuff. Not many people can/know they can/want to own full auto hence a lot of them are much cheaper than standard guns. The 57 situation is simply market saturation. Everyone who wants one has one (or more) so the prices sink. It’s even happening to Swiss Lugers albeit more slowly.

[@spoeny]

@The Chap It's kinda interesting, ex-army P210s are going up in price because it's just the normal permit and they can be and are exported to the US. There's probably not that much interest in 7.65 Lugers over there... Still need one for meself!

[@luisnunes2010]

I might be moving...

[@jims9249]

That was great!

[@SlavicCelery]

My 2 cents for the long bi-pod come from Ian's experiences with 2 gunning. It seems to work better from a trench type system. Considering the Swiss always had a defensive combat in mind, it makes a bit more sense.

[@schmit6576]

Man I wish I could get one of these in the US. But sadly I can only dream for now.

[@panzerabwerkanone]

You can if you have deep enough pockets.

[@schmit6576]

@@panzerabwerkanone if only I wasn't a college student.

[@InputHercules]

@@schmit6576 I feel you

[@peterconnan5631]

Fascinating, thank you.

[@John1911]

God I love these rifles.

[@butcherbaylee]

God I want one so badly 😭 the 57 is so weird but so interesting 😍

[@tommygun6028]

great loophole...shooting.....lol I still like to keep them Original. ✔😁😎👍

[@thespectator2976]

What a great guy :)

[@whiskeytuesday]

Swiss Jan Beta retooling a Stgw 57. I'm seeing some kind of bizzaro world crossover timeline. VIC-57... Stgw 64... Diagnostics cartridges. The possibilities are endless.

[@martin09091989]

I always had my diopter front irises without any bar in it! I found it disturbing in competition shooting! (10years of. 177 and. 22lr rifles and pistols)

[@BlokeontheRange]

Did you cant the rifle though? I grew up with a horizontal bar in a discipline where the rifle had to be absolutely horizontal, so the bar was very useful for checking this in the days before spirit levels.

[@martin09091989]

@@BlokeontheRange Yes I cant the rifles. With the air rifle at 10 meters it's irrelevant and with .22 at 50 meters I have to zero for that. But because of the training, my positioning is always the same, even between standing, kneeling and lying. The bar's irritat me because I concentrate on getting the cant right all the time, and fumble with the bar between shoots becaus it's never right for me. 😵 Letting this variable out helps me to better focus on my aim.

[@3of11]

I love the little "graveyard" this man has of broken and busted parts all over his shop. I get the feeling these guns are "run hard and put away wet" over there.