308 Win, I'm Sorry

Welcome to Ron Spomer Outdoors! In this episode, I have to apologize for my remarks about the 308 Winchester, and I need to apologize for my inability to love this cartridge...
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Who is Ron Spomer
For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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[@Kev-3006]

Well, even if I had any feelings they wouldn’t be hurt. 13 years ago I switched from the 30-06 to the 308 after 30 years with the old workhorse and countless game taken. I’ve never felt disadvantaged in any way with the 308 and it’s never let me down as long as I did my part.

[@lowerspeedhigherdrag]

It will take any game you will run into North America. And the ability to run 150-180s depending on situation will never leave you under gunned.

[@Twilight777Dancer]

@@lowerspeedhigherdrag.

[@steveelder5306]

its what I did. same results.

[@franksanchietti7108]

😂

[@aldocella4947]

The fact that just about every cartridge gets compared against the .308 speaks volumes. The recoil, barrel life and availability of ammo and components is icing on the cake.

[@patrickgriffitt6551]

And before that it was the 30-06. I've also seen many comparison to 7mm Rem Mag and 270 Win(a 30-06 developement).

[@ericblair844]

@@patrickgriffitt6551 30 odds 6 is the parent cartridge to everyone you listed including 308 and many more.

[@ericblair844]

Best all around usage does not mean superior in performance. 🐒

[@swiftusmaximus5651]

I dont have a 308 but I cant argue with its actual real world performance on game at reasonable distance, efficient, low recoil, long barrel life.

[@Halcyon1861]

@@ericblair844 Actually the .308 isn't related to the 06 family. It's a 30 caliber. That's like saying every 30 caliber is in the 06 family. Let me school you. 06 family. .270 .280 .25-06 .308 family 7-08 .260 rem .243. Notice any differences? The 06 family are all 63mm and the .308 family are all 51mm. Now you have the facts.

[@67buick]

The 308 is a great round and can do anything I’d ever try to do. Im still a 30-06 guy, mainly bc my grandpa and my dad hunted with one so it holds a special place in my heart.

[@birddog7492]

308 wimpy, wimpy, wimpy.

[@sinisterthoughts2896]

308 works fine at 150 gr., but when you want a better NC and better penetration a 30-06 with a 180 or better grain just starts out classing it. Not to mention 300 win mag and 300 prc.

[@yt_censorship_sucks]

@@sinisterthoughts2896 I've got a newbie question...I'm just starting to learn about long(ish) range shooting. When you say "a better NC" was that a typo for BC...or does NC mean something? Thanks in advance!

[@curtis6554]

every hunter should have a 30-06 just because .

[@birddog7492]

@@curtis6554 I like and use both rounds. it's just so easy to pick on the 308 I can't help myself. Hey maybe that's why Ron picks on it too. My Dad and I always picked on each other about it he loved his 308. So, it brings back some good memories.

[@oncall21]

It would be a boring life if we all only loved one cartridge. Thanks for sharing Ron!

[@clintonlayne9253]

You can't play Golf with only on club.

[@rodneyconover4170]

I agree totally with you! I for one don’t care for the 308 yes I have hunted with it before just doesn’t appeal to me anymore! I do prefer another popular cartridge over the 308!

[@nozrep]

here here!

[@propertypreparedness6846]

AGAIN RON... the 308 versatility in platforms is what makes it great. Military surplus and plentiful reloading. Still the cheapest round to use above a 223 and dosent give up much if anything inside 400 yards.

[@clintonlayne9253]

Ron I was attending a Ducks Unlimited Banquet in Sioux Falls, SD on 9/7/23. My number was called as the Winner of a Christensen Arms Mesa Roy chambered in 308. I was humbled.

[@aberhan]

The 308 has a stellar 70 year history, over 100 years for the 30-06. Neither cartridge has to apologize for anything. For a time shot placement and Bullet construction was paramount for hunters. Now the pendulum is swinging back toward velocity, which ushered in the plethora of magnum calibers. For us old timers most of us will stick with tried and true.

[@grisher111]

I'll take the 30-06 over the 308 all day long.

[@0UT3RL1M1T5]

When did shot placement stop being paramount? 🤔

[@nozrep]

and of course Mr. Spomer doth not apologize but doth sarcasticize with a twinkle in his eye

[@MonteD1]

​@@grisher111 I use both, but find myself reaching for the .30-06 most often.

[@EdAb]

Here we go again. Ron says 308 and we all scamper to hear the "news". 308 Winchester may not be the best cartridge in the world (Like anything is!), but it sure attracts the most attention! Btw, Ron, you can talk about the 308 as much as you want. I love the 308 Winchester cartridge and I love you... umm...as a brother... ya know??? Yeah, I'm glad we had this talk.

[@MiddleOutdoorsman]

It'll be interesting to see what he says, but in this day and age, with seemingly one ammo shortage after another, rising inflation, crappy economy, I'm sticking to a cartridge that I know I can logistically get.

[@ronws2007]

I have been a fan of the 308 for quite some time. I have a number of units in that caliber. However, it is best around 300 yards or less in a regular factory load. For example, I have a 308 with a 1:12 twist that is surgical with Federal Fusion 165 grain. Out to 300 yards, dead on the cross hairs and it will bring down a whitetail. However, I have drank the koolaid and become a fan of the 7 mm PRC and now have one. And it is more accurate because of less drop and I could get everything up to elk. It will become my everything rifle. But if I know I am only going 100 to 200 yards, iti s just as easy to grab a 308. I know a 308 can shoot 1,000 yards. There is an F Class devoted to it. But that is hitting paper or gonging on steel. That is not providing acceptable terminal performance on game. Where as the 7 PRC still has over 1500 ft-lbs around 800 yards for taking down elk. However, my comfortable range is 300 yards to maybe 500 yards, which is still doable with most game. In fact, in my state, the drawn lottery of hunts for mule deer spec that you must at least shoot 200 yards (in the canyon of a high desert plain.)

[@TheGoreforce]

now it's about as expensive as creedmore, making me question our life.

[@hettro-cv6082]

Dito!!

[@rob6850]

Best cartridge in the world is .22LR, duh!

[@ronlafitte6864]

Both are wonderful cartridges. The 30-06 was the creator of a lot of calibers, and I will always love and respect it. Great video, Ron!

[@patrickgriffitt6551]

The 308 is creating its own family of cartridges. I prefer 30-06 but don't snub the 308.

[@lorenkrug]

150gr seems like a sweet spot for accurate hunting bullets for 308… 300yds shot is a long long shot for about 95-99% of us 😅

[@seanchehardy6189]

False there are a lot of different barrel manufacturers and different twists rates so just because it’s accurate in yours doesn’t mean it is in anyone’s. You’re advice is misleading

[@lorenkrug]

@@seanchehardy6189 Liked your non-absolute comment 👍. Changed the ”the” to an “a”. Yes leading people to the inherently accurate 150-ish grain variety of bullets for 308 for hunting. There’s a reason there’s been so many 150 hunting bullets options to try in history. Accurate .308 diameter and 150 weight bullet with speed to expand and penetrate at comfortable hunting distances.

[@shawntailor5485]

Gotta admit , I've never taken a white tail beyond 150 yards , most inside of 75 . Different back there in the woods , longer reach guns took the corn fields .

[@kcinislit]

for a copper bullet definitely, for lead, i’d say the 165 is the sweet spot

[@BestlifeNomad]

.308 with copper 130 grain Barnes ttsx at 376yards works for me. 😊 I've also harvested a deer at 187, and a hog at 189. They dropped instantly and the bullet had full penetration. We harvested a deer that my 06 buddy was missing. We decided that anticipation and fear of recoil was his issue. The .308 saved the day a day we collected that day. 🙏

[@diggernash1]

I load 130 grain Barnes TTSX and 125 grain Accubonds for my ultralight rifle. Really good walking about aetup.

[@q-gunnermafia8343]

130 out of a .308 is one of my favorite grain weights. You can make some 3000 fps zippers that are devastating inside 300 yards.

[@rollercam351]

That intro was Wild Ron. And thats why we love ya!!!!

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks Roller.

[@TheBamayaker]

In the Southeastern states a .308 with a decent 165 gr bullet is hard to beat. Deer always drop fast. Shots are never past 200 where I hunt. Usually less than 100 yards. Great video! Especially the intro 😂

[@bullgravy6906]

Every time I think about getting some sort of long range setup I remember my range is 100yds and the average deer shot in OK is 30yds. If I ever get to do some western hunts my 06 will handle it all the same

[@TheBamayaker]

@@bullgravy6906 same here in Alabama. I have friends set for 600 yard shot then miss a deer at 75 yards . Lol

[@MrHiggsrocks]

That’s my load and it’s a thumper

[@thetruthseeker5549]

We've been missing out on Ron Spomer country music star! But I'm still thankful for the Ron Spomer We've got.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

And I'm thankful you're thankful!

[@hughb5092]

I love the .308 and I love your honest take on all things cartridges.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks Hugh

[@mr.mr.3301]

Hey, the 3006 is better at distances Ron does not recommend hunting at.

[@DinoNucci]

Correct!

[@markknivila8383]

Great video, Ron. Back in the 80's, I got so heavily invested in the .308, and times being what they are now, it would be crazy for me to switch to anything else! It's served me well, since then. All of your points were well made. Again, great video, Ron!

[@NCWoodlandRoamer]

If you’re an experienced hand loader then it’s 30-06 all day and twice on Sunday.

[@kennyd2134]

I thought you were having a stroke, or had one! Glad your well, enjoy your info always.

[@NelsonZAPTM]

Ron, i love your work. I've been shooting 308 since the 80's, combined with 223. These are what we would call "gumboot" in NZ. Gum boots are rubber footware mostly seen on farmers feet, but unless there is a dress code they are the only shoes you will need. "Gumboots, they are wonderful, gumboots they are swell, they keep out the water and they keep out the smell ". (NZ's unofficial national song)

[@edwardabrams4972]

The best thing about the 308 is you can get ammo in about any store in the USA! My dad took over a hundred elk with his pre64 so I guess it will work! That being said he did trade it off for the 300 win mag when it came out and took about another hundred elk! So I guess it’s the hunter more then the caliber🤔😳

[@sladeleason4338]

That's alot of elk

[@jameswallace3226]

You can also pick up 30-06 anywhere in the US and around the world. But I also think the 308 is just as available as the 30-06. I love them both.

[@Buckshot1217]

A hundred elk.?.?

[@sinepari9160]

@@Buckshot1217I wish I could hunt elk for the next 300 years too!

[@whiskeykilmer1866]

@@sladeleason4338 The greatest poacher of all time.

[@hardykotze5875]

True words. It seems that 308 is a sweet spot for recoil. Alot of shooters struggle with accuracy due to the recoul of the bigger cartridges. In our area alot of the older farmers won't allow anything smaller for hunting in the bush on their farms.

[@redrock425]

South Africa?

[@Red-vn4xq]

I know some marksman that will tell you quick, their furthest kill shots on deer were with a 308.

[@jeffgenchi5863]

First of all. Your intro will haunt my nightmares. Lol Second: I agree and as a 308 lover it does all I need to do. That said, when I want to reach out for distance I use my 300 PRC . As always great video.

[@botijaism]

LMAO. This is such a funny introduction. You could be in a movie. Your channel is one of my favorites.

[@tp-mh2ji]

3- 308's will see action this year... Ruger SFAR... R700 LTR... R700 VTR...Look out whitetails! ❤

[@dominicteresi3835]

The 130 ttsx Barnes are in my opinion the best 308.

[@phild9813]

The old 30-06 really shines over the 308 with heavier bullets. I like the 308, and have one that I’m working on getting ready for a hunt with.

[@stevenforrest2699]

Great show. Thanks

[@codyworley5623]

Yeah I chased the 308 game for a while and then I realized that 300 yards was the maximum and really most deer in our area are taken at less than 100 yards in our area. So now I have a Ruger Ranch in 7.62x39. Crazy lightweight and next to no recoil and threaded barrel. What more can a man want

[@jeffhays1968]

First deer,.308, last deer probably .308. I see all the fluff and the new stuff, and don't care one bit. I only have a few more years on earth and have no reason to change it up.

[@robertclifton5628]

First round out of a 308 savage 2023 , I fell in love 😂.

[@guardianminifarm8005]

Lotsa great offerings to fit anyone's needs. What a great day to be a hunter/shooter. Thank you.

[@mr.mr.3301]

Check out the Barnes 130ttsx 3125 fps.

[@ziruk-king4466]

308 is all you will ever need in this life time. Wyoming guy

[@DinoNucci]

Correct

[@kainhall]

im from NE montana..... i like my dads 270..... but still love my 308 . 300 yards max is BS...... (thats "30-30 is only a 100 yard gun" type of Fudd-lore BS) everyone wants only 5 inches of drop at 500 yards....and anything more than that is "a short range rifle" because they dont go out and shoot targets and record dope.... (or even just shoot at targets and remember the hold overs) . like 90% of my shots at deer here in FLAT ne MT are 250 and farther..... 50% of that they are running (simply due to flat and no cover) IDK.... learn how to shoot if you think 308 is "300 and closer only"

[@TurningGuns]

Wyoming boy here as well. Love the .308. But then again, I am really good at hunting.

[@donaviaetheridge5609]

Yes sir......!

[@robertkroberjr.157]

My old shoulder likes the .308 😁

[@bensears7499]

Reloading makes it all worthwhile. I am set up for 7.5x55 now. Haven’t tested any loads yet.

[@smashlee6181]

efficiency, short action, versatility, availability. this is why we love .308 win.

[@jamesharrison2374]

My 30-06 is a late 50’s, early 60’s Husqvarna Stutzen. Love the 308 from my competition days, have a AR-10 project started. For 300+ I have my competition 7.5 Swiss.

[@edwardabrams4972]

Love both my Husqvarna 30-06’s! Bill Ruger said they were the best rifle ever made! I would take my Sako’s first but husqvarna are great rifles!

[@bobbidwell6195]

I'm loading a 175gr. Nosler RDF bullet and have had exceptional performance with my loads.

[@spacecat7247]

Lol. I m laughing.....Ron, you're alright! I always enjoy your content.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Appreciate it, Spacecat.

[@spacecat7247]

@@RonSpomerOutdoors yes sir.....

[@anchorbait6662]

Lovely intro Ron, what a treat. We even got a little song and dance. More singing in future videos please 😅

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

But no dancing. Thanks Anchor.

[@It-b-Blair]

That intro was gold! Well done good sir

[@ericwiitala5407]

Great video Ron. I happen to have a 30-06 cuz it was given to me. If that same person gave me a 308 I'd be just as happy.

[@markgalyen38]

The Winchester 88 was the best platform for the 308

[@royjohnson465]

…and I have one in 308! The Model 88 is a wonderful rifle, feels good, lightweight, fast handling, reliable, and the detachable magazine design is one of the very best.

[@twp616]

Love all of the classic 30 caliber rounds. I own and hunt with 30-06, 308 Win, 300 Savage and 30-30 Win. Have multiple of all of these. My favorite though is the .300 Savage in the Savage 99 and Remington 722.

[@heerkrupp64]

I like to use one bullet weight and powder combination in any of my rifles, the 308 150 grain, 30-06 180 , 300 Win Mag 200 grain, there is enough variables at play with any rifle , everyone has their own way of doing things, but for me one load is enough to try and get sorted for each rifle, and that can be troublesome in itself. Great video again.

[@Pyle81]

And with the difficulties we've had in the last few yrs of acquiring hand loading components, Thats not a bad habit to have. Because face it, The days of hundreds of choices of different Powders, Primers, and Bullets seem to be LONG GONE...

[@ericblair844]

Something everyone seems to be ignoring. The only way 308 comes close to 30-06 is with a shorter lighter shell. If you compare the 2 casings with the same shell the numbers would be significantly different.

[@cottleful]

You know .308 is the best all around because it is the constant measure that all similar calibers are compared to. .308 is basically just 6.5 creedmoor but for men.

[@jamesahoffman]

What makes and keeps 308 Winchester on top isn't one single point but it's a "jack of all trades, master of none" at a wide availability due to 7.62 nato adoption and standardization for decades, and while a 30-06 is a more versatile, or 7.5x55 Swiss being more pleasant to shoot. 308 fills the "general purpose cartridge roll, at an affordable price and volume. As far as practical range what folks forget is "okay you shot it, now go get it!" How far around the mountain do you want to drag out a deer or elk? 308 isn't the best, it's a benchmark of what is known to work.

[@anthonykaiser974]

It seems the reason folks want hot and flat shooters for elk is the cost and chance of getting a good shot on that ONE bull elk with that ONE tag you had to draw for. Totally different situation from Whitetails, where most places in farm country you mostly have to worry about where to hunt and buying a tag is a given.

[@gud2go50]

I love the 30-06, however, I stopped watching your channel after you ran the .308 Win. down, but you have won me back again. All I own nowadays are .308 caliber rifles, so I am biased. Thanks for doing this video. I must admit that with my old eyes, I only shoot game at way closer ranges. I usually hunt with my .30-30, 12 gauge, or .44 Magnum weapons these days in Arkansas. God Bless and stay safe brother. Thanks!

[@maynardcarmer3148]

One factor in the lack of 'heavy bullet' factory loads in the .308 is that many rifles have a 1:12" twist barrel, whereas the '06 has a 1:10, and can better stabilize bullets of 200 grains and up. My own .308 has been rebarreled with a 1:10 twist and shoots them just fine, but my maid-of-all-work bullet is the 165 grain Sierra GameKing.

[@yellowdog762jb]

That's very interesting, I never thought about that. I've seen some AR10 barrels that were 1:10, so others have considered that as well. I've also read that some folks are rebarreling their 270s with faster twists to accommodate higher BC bullets.

[@mr.mr.3301]

For the most part they are all the same bullet. It depends on the distance you hunt. I think it depends on where and what you hunt. East coast woods hunters it is one of your best choices.

[@lesalbjerg5648]

Ron - Great video! I know you have been using Hammer Bullets. Try the 124 or 137 Hammer Hunter in the 308 and it turns it into a tiger!

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks Lesalbjerg. I'll likely try those.

[@HA51971]

Love that intro Ron 😂

[@MichaelLakota-vc4tk]

Great video Ron This is coming from a 308 lover! 200 and under is my wheel house yardage 168gr sierra matching 👍🏻

[@boneharvester_eth4021]

7.62x51 is the real man’s caliber

[@vegetaurs2498]

Why so

[@toaster3822]

​@@vegetaurs2498because NATO

[@boneharvester_eth4021]

I like it. It’s plentiful. The 147 grain PPU priv partizan is pure gold

[@vegetaurs2498]

@@toaster3822 lol I think you have not heard of .220

[@adonishebert6596]

Ron,you crack me up!! At the same your videos are informative,entertaining,and awesome. My .308, and 260 Remington forgive you,repeat the safe gun handling rules 10 times and you will be cleansed. 😂

[@KathrynLiz1]

Here in NZ, the 7mm/08 is a favourite of hunters, usually with 150gr+ bullets... it's a little belter. Flat shooting and hard hitting. The parent round, 308, is a fine little round... but it has been truly said that "the 30-06 is never a mistake". Factory ammo is VERY expensive here so most hunters and all target shooters roll their own. Most of NZ is standing up on end, so a light handy rifle is a huge asset. Sako and Tikka are very popular, but there's plenty of Winchesters, Remingtons, Brownings and the occasional Ruger or Weatherby. We still see the occasional 7 x 57, 6.5 Swede etc. Shots beyond 400 yards are unusual here due to the terrain.

[@yungivanc]

The intro was so funny and well done!

[@SamuelBerryhill]

Thanks for the video Ron. I’m a big fan of all the 30 cal cartridges but my favorite is 308 win loaded with hammer bullets for hunting or any 175 and higher grain weight bullets for target shooting yes it’s slower than 30-06 but it does a good job at the velocity I run my rifles at.if I need more horsepower then I bring my 300 win mag out of the safe. Now I do like the old 30-06 and I am planning on building one in the Ackley Improved version for a full custom rifle just to play around with but I will always have my faithful 308 as my top choice. Thanks again and God bless

[@johnanon3081]

A lot of popular KZbin hunting and rifle channels seem to be based out West. I can see why they focus on BC and flat shooting for those environments. However, the .308 makes perfect sense out East. Most shots are likely offhand shots. Very little opportunity to shoot prone or off a backpack. I don't think I've ever seen anyone carry sticks. Under 300 yards the .308 is a great choice. Even between 300-400 yards there isn't a ton of difference between your standard .270, .308 and .30-06 factory loads.

[@corvinking4996]

I really enjoy your cartridge analysis. My .260 shoots brilliantly in the wind by comparison, but my .308 is a clone of what my dad used in special forces, and it does great work.

[@sstrongman1667]

.260 and 7mm 08 are my two favorite 308 family cartridges.

[@corvinking4996]

I’m considering the same!

[@corvinking4996]

I see you are a man of culture! I’m considering getting a 7-08 barrel for my switch barrel model 70. Right now it has 260 and .308 barrels. I think that would be quite the lineup for a single gun case!

[@blackie1of4]

Love the 308 family of cartridges! I have a Tikka T3x Hunter chambered in 7mm-08 Remington.. that shoots half inch groups with Winchester Ballistic Silver Tip ammo! I also have a Ruger American Predator chambered in 358 Winchester.. which shots sub MOA with Hornady ammo! Half inch groups with Buffalo Bore ammo!

[@sstrongman1667]

@@corvinking4996 that would be a slick setup.

[@RussXnimbusX]

In a short action, 300WSM is hard to beat for 30 caliber rounds.

[@renefguidijr.631]

Nice video! I’ve used the 30-06 for over six decades… no problems up to 500 yards! Got a 300 REM Ultra Mag for longer distances, & heavier Bullets than 180 Grs… Using my own reloads. -That’s me. Also used the 7mm Mauser & 7mm REM MAG. For the same purpose; off & on. -Thank You “Ron Spomer Outdoors”! (Used 308 Win for target competition 168. Grs. Sierras, not bad!) I’m retired now, miss the outdoors & competition. Keep’em videos coming! Thanks 🙏 Again.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks Rene!

[@mikga45]

I can shoot a box of 375 h&h off a bench one after another with a model 70 Winchester wood stock 270 grain factory loads. I had a 7mm rem mag with a light weight hunting rifle after 4 or 5 rounds it's enough. 375 h&h recoil is like shooting 12 gauge shotgun with 2 3/4 slugs. Easier than 3.5" turkey loads that beat your shoulder up. Recoil has a lot to do with weight of rifle and how it fits to your shoulder. I have own light kicking 270 win and hard kicking 270 win with poor fitting a light weights. I have shot from the bench 300 win mag and 338 win mag. Both were ok for 5 or so shots without recoil issues. The 300 and 338 win were not my rifles shot at range with friends rifles. I had something they wanted to shoot and they had something I wanted to shoot. Only 2 guns I ever shot with a muzzle break was the 338 win owned by friend. My guns had no breaks. And 375 h&h needs no break in a nice fitting rifle I did shoot a 50 bmg bolt gun someone brought to range that had muzzle break. I'm 65 and that was long ago. I had not had a gun in 4 years I live in Philippines now. Miss shooting. Use to shoot weekly in America and I reloaded most of my own rounds. Best load for 30-06 was accubond 165 grain bullets. I owned a 6.5 creedmore. Liked the 30-06 better. I had a s&w ar 15 in 5.56 with a red dot sight. Fun to shoot.

[@ryankobilansky2500]

Friend of mine recently took an elk with an archery tag, I politely informed him the following, "That's not possible, everyone knows you need at least a .300 WM to kill a creature that large. Sharp pointy stick w/ 50 ft lbs of energy would never do it. I mean deer alone need a 1000# minimum." Straightened him out for sure now, he won't be trying that again...

[@farmerwayne1404]

Good intro, Ron! Of course your forgiven.😊 I like the .308, I also like my .22 LR. It does what it does...

[@rorerj]

I still love the .308Win. I’m pushing a 200 grain high BC bullet at 2740 fps accurately past 1000 yards. It can be done.

[@frederickking1660]

Wow

[@johncoleman2495]

The lowly .308 will always be my favorite cartridge for the simple fact that it can and will do anything I need to do with a rifle. And it will do it without excess recoil, blast and barrel wear. There is ammo available everywhere, it's probably available in more different loadings than just about anything else. It works in every action type commonly available and is chambered in more rifles by more manufacturers than just about anything else. I couldn't care less about the latest and greatest wizbang here today gone tomorrow cartridges that you and every other writer/KZbinr spend your life pitching to us only to see them disappear into the land of the forgotten. It'll be here longer than most all of them.

[@happyhome41]

Wonderful discussion, and beautiful positive attitude in presentation. Thank you. Also, remember many shooters east of the Mississippi rarely see anything past 100 yards . . .

[@philschaefer4651]

LOL love the opening there. I bought a .308 last year to use as a practice rifle since it has a similar ballistic trajectory to my 35 Whelen while being easier on the budget and shoulder, and lately easier to find bullets. Now I'm working up hunting loads for it and plan to carry it next time I go caribou hunting.

[@bobtowncarguy82]

The .308 is a great round out to 300 yds. Anything past that it wouldn't be my choice. I 100% agree with Ron on this one.

[@jaydunbar7538]

But I wouldn’t choose the 06 either at that range, Personally if I wanted a 30 cal for longer ranges I’d be going to a 300prc.

[@bobtowncarguy82]

@@jaydunbar7538 Yes, I agree 300 is a better option. I do shoot 30-06 every year but I don't shoot long range very much. 300+

[@anthonyjbargeman5280]

My experience with the. 308 is as a battle round. For hunting (and all else) I use the .30-06. It is just so versatile.

[@DinoNucci]

Wrong

[@steveyoung9951]

30-06 was a battle round too

[@anthonyjbargeman5280]

As I stated. My experience with the .308. And My preference for the. 30-06. As I reload, there is no beast on North America that the .30-06 cant take. Ya just use the right bullet, powder and primer. Know your rifle. Have a great day.

[@anthonyjbargeman5280]

Yes the .30-06 was a battle round. And the troops liked it. Believed in it. Used it in the field. Have a great day.

[@Simon-talks]

both the .308 and 30-06 are both battle rounds.

[@marconelson9656]

Appreciate all the info!

[@w.knudsen5570]

Just like any round, it has its place and it is very good at it. Most of my rifle reloading is m80 and m2. I enjoy your videos, keep them coming.

[@murphymmc]

Good stuff Ron. In this era of available info on the 'ol interweb, it is easy to pick a suitable cartridge for whatever the situation requires. There is no perfect cartridge for all situations. There are excellent cartridges that fulfill enough needs to be perfect for many situations. The .308 does that pretty well. Is it my first choice? Nope, but it is in the top five.

[@traillesstravelled7901]

Love the .308, for what it is. Just like any other caliber or load.

[@TheSRob34]

Great video! As a .308 lover myself, and a relatively new rifle hunter of about 7 years, I appreciate learning how to shoot accurately and more often with this cartridge. I started with an old hand me down 7mm RM that was just too much kick for me as a smaller guy, I couldn't get the accuracy I wanted. The .308 has given me a lot of perspective on what it does well and where I might need to consider a bigger cartridge. Hunting both elk and mule deer with this rifle, and I've found the 165gr accubond does the trick with both BC and velocity I can get out of it. I've taken 2 elk and 3 muleys with this setup. I also understand that my max range that I'm comfortable shooting an elk at is 500 yds based on my own ballistics data (@500: 2136 FPS and 1671 Ft-lbs). Now as I'm starting to stretch my maximum range with this gun, its got me thinking about my next cartridge - I'm leaning towards a 7 PRC once all the hype settles and more manufacturers, both rifle and ammo, get on board with that one.

[@WanderingBass]

I can forgive, but I will never forget. Don't you ever talk bad about my precious little 3zero8 wincestershire sauce, ever again.

[@grob25]

I bought a Henry H015 in .308. I put a 3-9 x 40 Vortex scope on it. I cannot tell you what a pleasure that handy little rifle is. I don't get out past 300 yds at worst. I keep my 30-06 zeroed for 180 grain partitions for anything past that.

[@aymanitani4212]

Thanks for all the effort which was done to show us all this numbers and compare between them !

[@m118lr]

Ron’s on top of it, crunching those #’s

[@Me2Lancer]

Thank you Ron for your comparison between the .308 round and the .30-06. My first centerfire rifle was a Winchester Model 70 in 30-06 purchased in the early 1960s. It was an accurate workhorse. Today I have rifles in both cartridges.

[@zgrubejrury-macieklubaszka]

great beginning of the movie. :) 3006 with a twist rate 10 in 24”barrel and you have everything what you need during every hunt. 308 is cool but older brother is the king of hunting. kind regards

[@brentworls8509]

The only redeeming quality is that it fathered my favorite round... the .358 Winchester, and several really great other caliber offerings. Actually, it's great in the eastern deer and bear woods, hard to beat in that scenario. Shot some good deer with it, and it just works fine.

[@JesseGacria357]

Really enjoy this channel, thank you for sharing your knowledge. I really want to start traveling and hunting some game. 👍🏻

[@robertbaron2731]

308 war bird is an awesome round aswhell. It would be pretty cool if you spoke about this round too.

[@user-cv1jf1wq2m]

Ron, The last time I checked you were entitled to your own opinion which is interesting because you seem to enjoy facts. Like a cartridge don’t like a cartridge, it’s your blog say what you have to say.

[@jimmiebuckler997]

30-06 and 308 are the same same for most people but you will see higher velocities in the 06 as much as 200 fps higher in some loads. Just depends on the load.

[@sinisterthoughts2896]

And with its greater case capacity you can seat a longer load without losing as much volume in the case, meaning you aren't robbing your powder capacity to push heavier slugs.

[@peterweikel7123]

The 308 is just a great round

[@zechnarwilliams8019]

Love what you do sir! 300 yards is about the farthest I will ever shoot. I can always find ammo for it and will never get rid of my .308's! Peace and Grace!

[@lorenzotelleria1858]

Great video Ron, I understood what you said from the beginning, on the prior video on the 308! It's a good middle of the pack cartridge and very capable, and may be all most of the hunters in the US may need, but thank God for having so many alternatives! It's part of the fun!! Thanks again!

[@paulreid2223]

The military 30-06 round for WWII was a 150 gn bullet at 2800 fps ; that is very achievable in the 308 : with better powders, and heavier bullets, the 30-06 shines when taking bigger game. Know your rifle ( in your caliber of choice) and harvest your game of choice !!!🙂

[@jeramyw]

M2 ball was 150 grain but M1 ball was 173 grain

[@simonharris4801]

I get 2730/2780 fps with 24 inch barrel An still accurate Shot 2.6 inch group with 12 shoots at 300 yds , with windy conditions 308 definitely not a handicap

[@lettingthebearout7528]

Very good intro!!

[@billyparker2630]

Hey Ron the .308 may be a great cartridge but the fan boys of it around me kinda turned me off to the idea of it and now I'm firmly in the .30-06 family

[@RoyJDew]

Just bought an AR10 in .308. Great cartridge in the right situations. The 30.06 can be safely loaded to 3,150 ft/sec using a 150gr bullet with modern powders. That is 200 ft/sec than the hottest .308 with a 150gr bullet. Those numbers put the 30.06 at 3,325 ft/lbs at the muzzle and the .308 at 2,917 ft/lbs. If we look at the point where both cartridges go through the subsonic transition, i.e. when the bullet drops below Mach 1, using the 155 Hornady ELD-M in both cartridges hand loaded to a safe velocity here is what we see. The .308 at 2,900 ft/sec at the muzzle goes subsonic at about 1,050 yards. The 30.06 at 3,100 ft/sec at the muzzle goes subsonic at 1150 yards. Both bullets are at Mach 1beyond 1,000 yards. Why does that matter? Bullets become unstable when they make the subsonic transition below Mach 1. That is why you see so many shooters who are shooting heavier and slower bullets lose so much accuracy at 1,000 yards when the bullet makes the subsonic transition before 1,000 yards, including the higher ballistic coefficient bullets. BOTTOM LINE! I've shot with 3 people who could consistently shoot less than 1 MOA. At 1,000 yards that is approximately a 10" group. Who would take a 1,000 yard shot with a cold bore while hunting? Who would take a 600 yard shot with a cold bore while hunting? That is a 6" group with 1 MOA accuracy. All the new cartridges with their high ballistic coefficient bullets and alleged longer range are moot from a hunting perspective. No one I know would take more than a 5-600 yard shot with a cold bore while hunting under ideal conditions with any cartridge. It's just not practical.

[@MJ-km3qz]

I love your insight for hunting & for long range shooting. I’m just an average range guy, with only 100 yards (200 yards if they close down half the range on special occasions). So all that inexpensive surplus range and inexpensive hunting ammo ( like 5 rounds of 308 per 1 round of 7mm PRC) will just have to suffice. Not everyone can afford a thousand rounds of 6.8 Western to enjoy a few good range days per month. Just saying. ✌️

[@calvinruggles732]

Thanks Ron, this was highly entertaining. I always chuckle a bit hearing you talk about the 308, as it seems you have exactly the same feeling toward it as I have for the 6.5 creedmoor; it is a great round when used in its proper application, but it does not live up to it's hype (honestly what could?) Thanks again, and happy hunting

[@nozrep]

love it i just love it😂. this why i really enjoy Mr. Spomer’s content. He don’t give crap what your preference is. Good great grand. But does it in that politely sarcastic way which is so much fun and so humorous! Me myself I love me a .308 and I ain’t never mad at no one who prefers elsewhat

[@halletts1171]

Still love the .308 even with your song and tears. I must add that the 30-06 is in my inventory and love it just as much.

[@SHOTRED555]

Ron cares about calibers more for deer. But for a more tactical use 308 still good for dealing with non animals.

[@OntarioBearHunter]

You're no Jim Wilson in the singing department..but not bad.

[@samueladams3746]

When I hunted eastern whitetail (much younger) used a .308 in a Ruger RSI and 1.5-5 Leupold. Was great for that, short rifle, short action and at the short ranges was a “one and done” caliber. Out West with giant animals and Fort Sill-like ranges probably not the package. Did use it with some 110gr hand loads to rid a couple fields of groundhogs. Stretched the scope a bit, but worked just fine.

[@davidderr2662]

That intro...(Now that's entertainment)was great.