308 Win, I'm Sorry

Welcome to Ron Spomer Outdoors! In this episode, I have to apologize for my remarks about the 308 Winchester, and I need to apologize for my inability to love this cartridge...
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For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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[@Kev-3006]

Well, even if I had any feelings they wouldn’t be hurt. 13 years ago I switched from the 30-06 to the 308 after 30 years with the old workhorse and countless game taken. I’ve never felt disadvantaged in any way with the 308 and it’s never let me down as long as I did my part.

[@lowerspeedhigherdrag]

It will take any game you will run into North America. And the ability to run 150-180s depending on situation will never leave you under gunned.

[@Twilight777Dancer]

@@lowerspeedhigherdrag.

[@steveelder5306]

its what I did. same results.

[@franksanchietti7108]

😂

[@farmerwayne1404]

I also like those 110 gr V-Max running 3200 fps.

[@67buick]

The 308 is a great round and can do anything I’d ever try to do. Im still a 30-06 guy, mainly bc my grandpa and my dad hunted with one so it holds a special place in my heart.

[@birddog7492]

308 wimpy, wimpy, wimpy.

[@sinisterthoughts2896]

308 works fine at 150 gr., but when you want a better NC and better penetration a 30-06 with a 180 or better grain just starts out classing it. Not to mention 300 win mag and 300 prc.

[@censorship_sucks]

@@sinisterthoughts2896 I've got a newbie question...I'm just starting to learn about long(ish) range shooting. When you say "a better NC" was that a typo for BC...or does NC mean something? Thanks in advance!

[@curtis6554]

every hunter should have a 30-06 just because .

[@birddog7492]

@@curtis6554 I like and use both rounds. it's just so easy to pick on the 308 I can't help myself. Hey maybe that's why Ron picks on it too. My Dad and I always picked on each other about it he loved his 308. So, it brings back some good memories.

[@aldocella4947]

The fact that just about every cartridge gets compared against the .308 speaks volumes. The recoil, barrel life and availability of ammo and components is icing on the cake.

[@patrickgriffitt6551]

And before that it was the 30-06. I've also seen many comparison to 7mm Rem Mag and 270 Win(a 30-06 developement).

[@ericblair844]

@@patrickgriffitt6551 30 odds 6 is the parent cartridge to everyone you listed including 308 and many more.

[@ericblair844]

Best all around usage does not mean superior in performance. 🐒

[@swiftusmaximus5651]

I dont have a 308 but I cant argue with its actual real world performance on game at reasonable distance, efficient, low recoil, long barrel life.

[@ericblair844]

@@patrickgriffitt6551 308 is literally derived from 30-06 for the purpose of having a shorter lighter semi-automatic action for the military. The only differences in case dimensions between 308 and 30-06 is the length and angle of neck down. I've already explained why the casing is shorter. The increased angle of the neckdown was to improve pressures so that a slightly lighter round would have similar velocities to the 30 -06 because the military didn't want a weaker round. It was literally designed for the M14 to replace the 30-06 Garand. The FAL was then chambered in 308 to compete with M 14 in the trials. Then Stoner designed the AR10 in 308 for the next trials.

[@oncall21]

It would be a boring life if we all only loved one cartridge. Thanks for sharing Ron!

[@clintonlayne9253]

You can't play Golf with only on club.

[@rodneyconover4170]

I agree totally with you! I for one don’t care for the 308 yes I have hunted with it before just doesn’t appeal to me anymore! I do prefer another popular cartridge over the 308!

[@nozrep]

here here!

[@HidinRebel]

Consumerism is a wild trait to have.

[@clintonlayne9253]

Ron I was attending a Ducks Unlimited Banquet in Sioux Falls, SD on 9/7/23. My number was called as the Winner of a Christensen Arms Mesa Roy chambered in 308. I was humbled.

[@ronlafitte6864]

Both are wonderful cartridges. The 30-06 was the creator of a lot of calibers, and I will always love and respect it. Great video, Ron!

[@patrickgriffitt6551]

The 308 is creating its own family of cartridges. I prefer 30-06 but don't snub the 308.

[@aberhan]

The 308 has a stellar 70 year history, over 100 years for the 30-06. Neither cartridge has to apologize for anything. For a time shot placement and Bullet construction was paramount for hunters. Now the pendulum is swinging back toward velocity, which ushered in the plethora of magnum calibers. For us old timers most of us will stick with tried and true.

[@grisher111]

I'll take the 30-06 over the 308 all day long.

[@0UT3RL1M1T5]

When did shot placement stop being paramount? 🤔

[@nozrep]

and of course Mr. Spomer doth not apologize but doth sarcasticize with a twinkle in his eye

[@MonteD1]

​@@grisher111 I use both, but find myself reaching for the .30-06 most often.

[@markknivila8383]

Great video, Ron. Back in the 80's, I got so heavily invested in the .308, and times being what they are now, it would be crazy for me to switch to anything else! It's served me well, since then. All of your points were well made. Again, great video, Ron!

[@codyworley5623]

Yeah I chased the 308 game for a while and then I realized that 300 yards was the maximum and really most deer in our area are taken at less than 100 yards in our area. So now I have a Ruger Ranch in 7.62x39. Crazy lightweight and next to no recoil and threaded barrel. What more can a man want

[@TheBamayaker]

In the Southeastern states a .308 with a decent 165 gr bullet is hard to beat. Deer always drop fast. Shots are never past 200 where I hunt. Usually less than 100 yards. Great video! Especially the intro 😂

[@bullgravy6906]

Every time I think about getting some sort of long range setup I remember my range is 100yds and the average deer shot in OK is 30yds. If I ever get to do some western hunts my 06 will handle it all the same

[@TheBamayaker]

@@bullgravy6906 same here in Alabama. I have friends set for 600 yard shot then miss a deer at 75 yards . Lol

[@MrHiggsrocks]

That’s my load and it’s a thumper

[@propertypreparedness6846]

AGAIN RON... the 308 versatility in platforms is what makes it great. Military surplus and plentiful reloading. Still the cheapest round to use above a 223 and dosent give up much if anything inside 400 yards.

[@phild9813]

The old 30-06 really shines over the 308 with heavier bullets. I like the 308, and have one that I’m working on getting ready for a hunt with.

[@diggernash1]

I load 130 grain Barnes TTSX and 125 grain Accubonds for my ultralight rifle. Really good walking about aetup.

[@q-gunnermafia8343]

130 out of a .308 is one of my favorite grain weights. You can make some 3000 fps zippers that are devastating inside 300 yards.

[@thetruthseeker5549]

We've been missing out on Ron Spomer country music star! But I'm still thankful for the Ron Spomer We've got.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

And I'm thankful you're thankful!

[@hardykotze5875]

True words. It seems that 308 is a sweet spot for recoil. Alot of shooters struggle with accuracy due to the recoul of the bigger cartridges. In our area alot of the older farmers won't allow anything smaller for hunting in the bush on their farms.

[@redrock425]

South Africa?

[@Red-vn4xq]

I know some marksman that will tell you quick, their furthest kill shots on deer were with a 308.

[@hughb5092]

I love the .308 and I love your honest take on all things cartridges.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks Hugh

[@guardianminifarm8005]

Lotsa great offerings to fit anyone's needs. What a great day to be a hunter/shooter. Thank you.

[@stevenforrest2699]

Great show. Thanks

[@EdAb]

Here we go again. Ron says 308 and we all scamper to hear the "news". 308 Winchester may not be the best cartridge in the world (Like anything is!), but it sure attracts the most attention! Btw, Ron, you can talk about the 308 as much as you want. I love the 308 Winchester cartridge and I love you... umm...as a brother... ya know??? Yeah, I'm glad we had this talk.

[@MiddleOutdoorsman]

It'll be interesting to see what he says, but in this day and age, with seemingly one ammo shortage after another, rising inflation, crappy economy, I'm sticking to a cartridge that I know I can logistically get.

[@ronws2007]

I have been a fan of the 308 for quite some time. I have a number of units in that caliber. However, it is best around 300 yards or less in a regular factory load. For example, I have a 308 with a 1:12 twist that is surgical with Federal Fusion 165 grain. Out to 300 yards, dead on the cross hairs and it will bring down a whitetail. However, I have drank the koolaid and become a fan of the 7 mm PRC and now have one. And it is more accurate because of less drop and I could get everything up to elk. It will become my everything rifle. But if I know I am only going 100 to 200 yards, iti s just as easy to grab a 308. I know a 308 can shoot 1,000 yards. There is an F Class devoted to it. But that is hitting paper or gonging on steel. That is not providing acceptable terminal performance on game. Where as the 7 PRC still has over 1500 ft-lbs around 800 yards for taking down elk. However, my comfortable range is 300 yards to maybe 500 yards, which is still doable with most game. In fact, in my state, the drawn lottery of hunts for mule deer spec that you must at least shoot 200 yards (in the canyon of a high desert plain.)

[@TheGoreforce]

now it's about as expensive as creedmore, making me question our life.

[@hettro-cv6082]

Dito!!

[@rob6850]

Best cartridge in the world is .22LR, duh!

[@kennyd2134]

I thought you were having a stroke, or had one! Glad your well, enjoy your info always.

[@corvinking4996]

I really enjoy your cartridge analysis. My .260 shoots brilliantly in the wind by comparison, but my .308 is a clone of what my dad used in special forces, and it does great work.

[@sstrongman1667]

.260 and 7mm 08 are my two favorite 308 family cartridges.

[@corvinking4996]

I’m considering the same!

[@corvinking4996]

I see you are a man of culture! I’m considering getting a 7-08 barrel for my switch barrel model 70. Right now it has 260 and .308 barrels. I think that would be quite the lineup for a single gun case!

[@blackie1of4]

Love the 308 family of cartridges! I have a Tikka T3x Hunter chambered in 7mm-08 Remington.. that shoots half inch groups with Winchester Ballistic Silver Tip ammo! I also have a Ruger American Predator chambered in 358 Winchester.. which shots sub MOA with Hornady ammo! Half inch groups with Buffalo Bore ammo!

[@sstrongman1667]

@@corvinking4996 that would be a slick setup.

[@ziruk-king4466]

308 is all you will ever need in this life time. Wyoming guy

[@DinoNucci]

Correct

[@kainhall]

im from NE montana..... i like my dads 270..... but still love my 308 . 300 yards max is BS...... (thats "30-30 is only a 100 yard gun" type of Fudd-lore BS) everyone wants only 5 inches of drop at 500 yards....and anything more than that is "a short range rifle" because they dont go out and shoot targets and record dope.... (or even just shoot at targets and remember the hold overs) . like 90% of my shots at deer here in FLAT ne MT are 250 and farther..... 50% of that they are running (simply due to flat and no cover) IDK.... learn how to shoot if you think 308 is "300 and closer only"

[@HaventHerd307]

Wyoming boy here as well. Love the .308. But then again, I am really good at hunting.

[@donaviaetheridge5609]

Yes sir......!

[@robertkroberjr.157]

My old shoulder likes the .308 😁

[@heerkrupp64]

I like to use one bullet weight and powder combination in any of my rifles, the 308 150 grain, 30-06 180 , 300 Win Mag 200 grain, there is enough variables at play with any rifle , everyone has their own way of doing things, but for me one load is enough to try and get sorted for each rifle, and that can be troublesome in itself. Great video again.

[@Pyle81]

And with the difficulties we've had in the last few yrs of acquiring hand loading components, Thats not a bad habit to have. Because face it, The days of hundreds of choices of different Powders, Primers, and Bullets seem to be LONG GONE...

[@ericblair844]

Something everyone seems to be ignoring. The only way 308 comes close to 30-06 is with a shorter lighter shell. If you compare the 2 casings with the same shell the numbers would be significantly different.

[@marconelson9656]

Appreciate all the info!

[@edwardabrams4972]

The best thing about the 308 is you can get ammo in about any store in the USA! My dad took over a hundred elk with his pre64 so I guess it will work! That being said he did trade it off for the 300 win mag when it came out and took about another hundred elk! So I guess it’s the hunter more then the caliber🤔😳

[@sladeleason4338]

That's alot of elk

[@jameswallace3226]

You can also pick up 30-06 anywhere in the US and around the world. But I also think the 308 is just as available as the 30-06. I love them both.

[@Buckshot1217]

A hundred elk.?.?

[@sinepari9160]

@@Buckshot1217I wish I could hunt elk for the next 300 years too!

[@whiskeykilmer1866]

@@sladeleason4338 The greatest poacher of all time.

[@smashlee6181]

efficiency, short action, versatility, availability. this is why we love .308 win.

[@ericwiitala5407]

Great video Ron. I happen to have a 30-06 cuz it was given to me. If that same person gave me a 308 I'd be just as happy.

[@jeffgenchi5863]

First of all. Your intro will haunt my nightmares. Lol Second: I agree and as a 308 lover it does all I need to do. That said, when I want to reach out for distance I use my 300 PRC . As always great video.

[@jamesharrison2374]

My 30-06 is a late 50’s, early 60’s Husqvarna Stutzen. Love the 308 from my competition days, have a AR-10 project started. For 300+ I have my competition 7.5 Swiss.

[@edwardabrams4972]

Love both my Husqvarna 30-06’s! Bill Ruger said they were the best rifle ever made! I would take my Sako’s first but husqvarna are great rifles!

[@spacecat7247]

Lol. I m laughing.....Ron, you're alright! I always enjoy your content.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Appreciate it, Spacecat.

[@spacecat7247]

@@RonSpomerOutdoors yes sir.....

[@anthonyjbargeman5280]

My experience with the. 308 is as a battle round. For hunting (and all else) I use the .30-06. It is just so versatile.

[@DinoNucci]

Wrong

[@steveyoung9951]

30-06 was a battle round too

[@anthonyjbargeman5280]

As I stated. My experience with the .308. And My preference for the. 30-06. As I reload, there is no beast on North America that the .30-06 cant take. Ya just use the right bullet, powder and primer. Know your rifle. Have a great day.

[@anthonyjbargeman5280]

Yes the .30-06 was a battle round. And the troops liked it. Believed in it. Used it in the field. Have a great day.

[@Simon-talks]

both the .308 and 30-06 are both battle rounds.

[@nozrep]

love it i just love it😂. this why i really enjoy Mr. Spomer’s content. He don’t give crap what your preference is. Good great grand. But does it in that politely sarcastic way which is so much fun and so humorous! Me myself I love me a .308 and I ain’t never mad at no one who prefers elsewhat

[@ryankobilansky2500]

Friend of mine recently took an elk with an archery tag, I politely informed him the following, "That's not possible, everyone knows you need at least a .300 WM to kill a creature that large. Sharp pointy stick w/ 50 ft lbs of energy would never do it. I mean deer alone need a 1000# minimum." Straightened him out for sure now, he won't be trying that again...

[@twp616]

Love all of the classic 30 caliber rounds. I own and hunt with 30-06, 308 Win, 300 Savage and 30-30 Win. Have multiple of all of these. My favorite though is the .300 Savage in the Savage 99 and Remington 722.

[@grob25]

I bought a Henry H015 in .308. I put a 3-9 x 40 Vortex scope on it. I cannot tell you what a pleasure that handy little rifle is. I don't get out past 300 yds at worst. I keep my 30-06 zeroed for 180 grain partitions for anything past that.

[@SamuelBerryhill]

Thanks for the video Ron. I’m a big fan of all the 30 cal cartridges but my favorite is 308 win loaded with hammer bullets for hunting or any 175 and higher grain weight bullets for target shooting yes it’s slower than 30-06 but it does a good job at the velocity I run my rifles at.if I need more horsepower then I bring my 300 win mag out of the safe. Now I do like the old 30-06 and I am planning on building one in the Ackley Improved version for a full custom rifle just to play around with but I will always have my faithful 308 as my top choice. Thanks again and God bless

[@bobbidwell6195]

I'm loading a 175gr. Nosler RDF bullet and have had exceptional performance with my loads.

[@philschaefer4651]

LOL love the opening there. I bought a .308 last year to use as a practice rifle since it has a similar ballistic trajectory to my 35 Whelen while being easier on the budget and shoulder, and lately easier to find bullets. Now I'm working up hunting loads for it and plan to carry it next time I go caribou hunting.

[@renefguidijr.631]

Nice video! I’ve used the 30-06 for over six decades… no problems up to 500 yards! Got a 300 REM Ultra Mag for longer distances, & heavier Bullets than 180 Grs… Using my own reloads. -That’s me. Also used the 7mm Mauser & 7mm REM MAG. For the same purpose; off & on. -Thank You “Ron Spomer Outdoors”! (Used 308 Win for target competition 168. Grs. Sierras, not bad!) I’m retired now, miss the outdoors & competition. Keep’em videos coming! Thanks 🙏 Again.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks Rene!

[@mikga45]

I can shoot a box of 375 h&h off a bench one after another with a model 70 Winchester wood stock 270 grain factory loads. I had a 7mm rem mag with a light weight hunting rifle after 4 or 5 rounds it's enough. 375 h&h recoil is like shooting 12 gauge shotgun with 2 3/4 slugs. Easier than 3.5" turkey loads that beat your shoulder up. Recoil has a lot to do with weight of rifle and how it fits to your shoulder. I have own light kicking 270 win and hard kicking 270 win with poor fitting a light weights. I have shot from the bench 300 win mag and 338 win mag. Both were ok for 5 or so shots without recoil issues. The 300 and 338 win were not my rifles shot at range with friends rifles. I had something they wanted to shoot and they had something I wanted to shoot. Only 2 guns I ever shot with a muzzle break was the 338 win owned by friend. My guns had no breaks. And 375 h&h needs no break in a nice fitting rifle I did shoot a 50 bmg bolt gun someone brought to range that had muzzle break. I'm 65 and that was long ago. I had not had a gun in 4 years I live in Philippines now. Miss shooting. Use to shoot weekly in America and I reloaded most of my own rounds. Best load for 30-06 was accubond 165 grain bullets. I owned a 6.5 creedmore. Liked the 30-06 better. I had a s&w ar 15 in 5.56 with a red dot sight. Fun to shoot.

[@jeffhays1968]

First deer,.308, last deer probably .308. I see all the fluff and the new stuff, and don't care one bit. I only have a few more years on earth and have no reason to change it up.

[@lorenkrug]

150gr seems like a sweet spot for accurate hunting bullets for 308… 300yds shot is a long long shot for about 95-99% of us 😅

[@seanchehardy6189]

False there are a lot of different barrel manufacturers and different twists rates so just because it’s accurate in yours doesn’t mean it is in anyone’s. You’re advice is misleading

[@lorenkrug]

@@seanchehardy6189 Liked your non-absolute comment 👍. Changed the ”the” to an “a”. Yes leading people to the inherently accurate 150-ish grain variety of bullets for 308 for hunting. There’s a reason there’s been so many 150 hunting bullets options to try in history. Accurate .308 diameter and 150 weight bullet with speed to expand and penetrate at comfortable hunting distances.

[@shawntailor5485]

Gotta admit , I've never taken a white tail beyond 150 yards , most inside of 75 . Different back there in the woods , longer reach guns took the corn fields .

[@kcinislit]

for a copper bullet definitely, for lead, i’d say the 165 is the sweet spot

[@BestlifeNomad]

.308 with copper 130 grain Barnes ttsx at 376yards works for me. 😊 I've also harvested a deer at 187, and a hog at 189. They dropped instantly and the bullet had full penetration. We harvested a deer that my 06 buddy was missing. We decided that anticipation and fear of recoil was his issue. The .308 saved the day a day we collected that day. 🙏

[@bensears7499]

Reloading makes it all worthwhile. I am set up for 7.5x55 now. Haven’t tested any loads yet.

[@tp-mh2ji]

3- 308's will see action this year... Ruger SFAR... R700 LTR... R700 VTR...Look out whitetails! ❤

[@timhenderson7282]

I love listening to you

[@maynardcarmer3148]

One factor in the lack of 'heavy bullet' factory loads in the .308 is that many rifles have a 1:12" twist barrel, whereas the '06 has a 1:10, and can better stabilize bullets of 200 grains and up. My own .308 has been rebarreled with a 1:10 twist and shoots them just fine, but my maid-of-all-work bullet is the 165 grain Sierra GameKing.

[@yellowdog762jb]

That's very interesting, I never thought about that. I've seen some AR10 barrels that were 1:10, so others have considered that as well. I've also read that some folks are rebarreling their 270s with faster twists to accommodate higher BC bullets.

[@griftopherhitchens9926]

Im 45, just getting into hunting and your videos are so great! Thank you good sir.

[@rollercam351]

That intro was Wild Ron. And thats why we love ya!!!!

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks Roller.

[@It-b-Blair]

That intro was gold! Well done good sir

[@w.knudsen5570]

Just like any round, it has its place and it is very good at it. Most of my rifle reloading is m80 and m2. I enjoy your videos, keep them coming.

[@PatriotsAndPioneers]

I nominate Ron Spomer for an Academy Award as Best Actor.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks Bob. However, I hope I don't have to attend that show and hang with the hollywood elites.

[@brentworls8509]

The only redeeming quality is that it fathered my favorite round... the .358 Winchester, and several really great other caliber offerings. Actually, it's great in the eastern deer and bear woods, hard to beat in that scenario. Shot some good deer with it, and it just works fine.

[@Me2Lancer]

Thank you Ron for your comparison between the .308 round and the .30-06. My first centerfire rifle was a Winchester Model 70 in 30-06 purchased in the early 1960s. It was an accurate workhorse. Today I have rifles in both cartridges.

[@TheSRob34]

Great video! As a .308 lover myself, and a relatively new rifle hunter of about 7 years, I appreciate learning how to shoot accurately and more often with this cartridge. I started with an old hand me down 7mm RM that was just too much kick for me as a smaller guy, I couldn't get the accuracy I wanted. The .308 has given me a lot of perspective on what it does well and where I might need to consider a bigger cartridge. Hunting both elk and mule deer with this rifle, and I've found the 165gr accubond does the trick with both BC and velocity I can get out of it. I've taken 2 elk and 3 muleys with this setup. I also understand that my max range that I'm comfortable shooting an elk at is 500 yds based on my own ballistics data (@500: 2136 FPS and 1671 Ft-lbs). Now as I'm starting to stretch my maximum range with this gun, its got me thinking about my next cartridge - I'm leaning towards a 7 PRC once all the hype settles and more manufacturers, both rifle and ammo, get on board with that one.

[@zechnarwilliams8019]

Love what you do sir! 300 yards is about the farthest I will ever shoot. I can always find ammo for it and will never get rid of my .308's! Peace and Grace!

[@MichaelLakota-vc4tk]

Great video Ron This is coming from a 308 lover! 200 and under is my wheel house yardage 168gr sierra matching 👍🏻

[@anchorbait6662]

Lovely intro Ron, what a treat. We even got a little song and dance. More singing in future videos please 😅

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

But no dancing. Thanks Anchor.

[@gud2go50]

I love the 30-06, however, I stopped watching your channel after you ran the .308 Win. down, but you have won me back again. All I own nowadays are .308 caliber rifles, so I am biased. Thanks for doing this video. I must admit that with my old eyes, I only shoot game at way closer ranges. I usually hunt with my .30-30, 12 gauge, or .44 Magnum weapons these days in Arkansas. God Bless and stay safe brother. Thanks!

[@murphymmc]

Good stuff Ron. In this era of available info on the 'ol interweb, it is easy to pick a suitable cartridge for whatever the situation requires. There is no perfect cartridge for all situations. There are excellent cartridges that fulfill enough needs to be perfect for many situations. The .308 does that pretty well. Is it my first choice? Nope, but it is in the top five.

[@farmerwayne1404]

Good intro, Ron! Of course your forgiven.😊 I like the .308, I also like my .22 LR. It does what it does...

[@Leif1963]

I absolutely love the .308win and I find these talks really good. For my purposes and pocket book .308win is my perfect but its not the ideal antelope cartridge and it'll never stop a water buffalo and its a trifle too much for coyotes and Ron I'm older, so I love that you champion many other cartridges as well. Hunting and firearms is not a competetive sport its a shared passion.

[@NCWoodlandRoamer]

If you’re an experienced hand loader then it’s 30-06 all day and twice on Sunday.

[@chrisowen5497]

Too funny! I love them both, but lean heavily towards the 30-06. It’s just more versatile, and works better for me. Great video, but maybe some singing lessons might be in order.😂

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Lessons? At my age?

[@chrisowen5497]

I know what you mean. I’m too far past that threshold myself.

[@KathrynLiz1]

Here in NZ, the 7mm/08 is a favourite of hunters, usually with 150gr+ bullets... it's a little belter. Flat shooting and hard hitting. The parent round, 308, is a fine little round... but it has been truly said that "the 30-06 is never a mistake". Factory ammo is VERY expensive here so most hunters and all target shooters roll their own. Most of NZ is standing up on end, so a light handy rifle is a huge asset. Sako and Tikka are very popular, but there's plenty of Winchesters, Remingtons, Brownings and the occasional Ruger or Weatherby. We still see the occasional 7 x 57, 6.5 Swede etc. Shots beyond 400 yards are unusual here due to the terrain.

[@robertclifton5628]

First round out of a 308 savage 2023 , I fell in love 😂.

[@aymanitani4212]

Thanks for all the effort which was done to show us all this numbers and compare between them !

[@m118lr]

Ron’s on top of it, crunching those #’s

[@darrellmayo9066]

Hi Ron, love your shows. I wont take nothing from the 30-06 because I have two of them. I won't give the 308 more than it deserve, have one of those to. But I have taken white tail with both and i can't tell the difference between one ore the other as far as the damage. But i sure notice the kick on th shoulder

[@lorenzotelleria1858]

Great video Ron, I understood what you said from the beginning, on the prior video on the 308! It's a good middle of the pack cartridge and very capable, and may be all most of the hunters in the US may need, but thank God for having so many alternatives! It's part of the fun!! Thanks again!

[@kcreyesmaquilan9741]

Its great to talk theory but some guns just dont shoot as well with lighter or heavier loads. Some times we all have to go through 5-6 or more brands of ammo to find the most accurate round for our rifles. I have several .308 rifles they are great for cheaper ammo and practice but they cant hold a candle to my 300 weatherby mag or my 6.5prc. but practice with those are rather exspensive.

[@botijaism]

LMAO. This is such a funny introduction. You could be in a movie. Your channel is one of my favorites.

[@lesalbjerg5648]

Ron - Great video! I know you have been using Hammer Bullets. Try the 124 or 137 Hammer Hunter in the 308 and it turns it into a tiger!

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks Lesalbjerg. I'll likely try those.

[@donbenson5292]

Thanks Ron. I have all the 308 base cartridges down to the 243. I am shooting the 260 Rem and AIs on the 260. 95 vmax and 105gr blitz for chucks and 123 and 130 for deer. The others are getting more safe time. Still like the 30-06 my dads favorite.

[@traillesstravelled7901]

Love the .308, for what it is. Just like any other caliber or load.

[@samueladams3746]

When I hunted eastern whitetail (much younger) used a .308 in a Ruger RSI and 1.5-5 Leupold. Was great for that, short rifle, short action and at the short ranges was a “one and done” caliber. Out West with giant animals and Fort Sill-like ranges probably not the package. Did use it with some 110gr hand loads to rid a couple fields of groundhogs. Stretched the scope a bit, but worked just fine.

[@bobtowncarguy82]

The .308 is a great round out to 300 yds. Anything past that it wouldn't be my choice. I 100% agree with Ron on this one.

[@jaydunbar7538]

But I wouldn’t choose the 06 either at that range, Personally if I wanted a 30 cal for longer ranges I’d be going to a 300prc.

[@bobtowncarguy82]

@@jaydunbar7538 Yes, I agree 300 is a better option. I do shoot 30-06 every year but I don't shoot long range very much. 300+

[@willywantoknow2563]

I got the 308 to be the jack of all trades, besides the ammo is easily accessible. don't need long range for bush country. if i were to go to the plains then id step it up. Still doesnt stop me from wanting another gun though😏

[@adonishebert6596]

Ron,you crack me up!! At the same your videos are informative,entertaining,and awesome. My .308, and 260 Remington forgive you,repeat the safe gun handling rules 10 times and you will be cleansed. 😂

[@marcomalo02]

All of us can't afford the latest boutique rounds. 308 is a great all around load. I remember your comments from earlier

[@HA51971]

Love that intro Ron 😂

[@chuckblankenship748]

I needed that laugh today Ron best intro EVER!!!!!!!! Now on to the topic I do keep a 308 in my battery (243, 25-06, 7MM-08, 280AI and the 308) 80% of the time for deer the 7MM-08 is my go to.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks Chuck. Was having fun that day.

[@MJ-km3qz]

I love your insight for hunting & for long range shooting. I’m just an average range guy, with only 100 yards (200 yards if they close down half the range on special occasions). So all that inexpensive surplus range and inexpensive hunting ammo ( like 5 rounds of 308 per 1 round of 7mm PRC) will just have to suffice. Not everyone can afford a thousand rounds of 6.8 Western to enjoy a few good range days per month. Just saying. ✌️

[@happyhome41]

Wonderful discussion, and beautiful positive attitude in presentation. Thank you. Also, remember many shooters east of the Mississippi rarely see anything past 100 yards . . .

[@rorerj]

I still love the .308Win. I’m pushing a 200 grain high BC bullet at 2740 fps accurately past 1000 yards. It can be done.

[@frederickking1660]

Wow

[@davidfornkahl8374]

Had a buddy who was making bad comments about .308. He had a Remington 30/06. I worked up some Moose loads for my wife's. 308. 180 gr. Nosler Accubonds, moving at 2640--2650 fps. He thought I was crazy letting her hunt Moose with .308win. I asked him if he thought an 06 was better. Of course he said YES. I told him let's shoot your Rifle over my chronograph. I ruined his day. Bullets were moving 35-40 fps faster out of my wife's. 308 handloads than his Remington 180 gr Corelokts out of his 06. Loads which he claimed were PERFECT FOR MOOSE! LOL!!!!!

[@jj25397]

Meh, 35-40 fps difference isn't much of one. I've seen SD higher than that from the same lot of ammo. That said I'd like to know powder load and chamber pressure of that .308. I'd wager you a cold drink that your .308 was close to floored while the .30-06 had plenty more gas pedal to go as factory ammo typically isn't loaded anywhere near max, for liability reasons.

[@markgalyen38]

The Winchester 88 was the best platform for the 308

[@royjohnson465]

…and I have one in 308! The Model 88 is a wonderful rifle, feels good, lightweight, fast handling, reliable, and the detachable magazine design is one of the very best.

[@razieldrakis]

As a southerner in brush country, I'm a .30-30 Winchester guy all the way. Preferably in 170grains from Federal or Winchester loaded with either softpoints, silvertips, or Nosler Partitions.

[@mr.mr.3301]

Hey, the 3006 is better at distances Ron does not recommend hunting at.

[@DinoNucci]

Correct!

[@matalostodos]

It’s better at the shorter distances too. It’s the difference in drop and windage that refer to longer distance, as well as performance. Everything, all at once!

[@naji2naji]

😂😂😂😂 finally😂😂😂😂. We too appreciate and accept the apology 308 for life!

[@yungivanc]

The intro was so funny and well done!

[@Racks_an_TurkeyTracks]

Love your video Ron don't ever stop being you. And doing what you do I've learned a hell of a lot from you.

[@JesseGacria357]

Really enjoy this channel, thank you for sharing your knowledge. I really want to start traveling and hunting some game. 👍🏻

[@ALavaPenguin]

So, just going by your number which I am trusting are right from your previous video, unless I want higher grains [200-220] I basically am getting about 1% to 4% more speed for a tradeoff of 12.8% to 20.19% more recoil for the 125-180 grain range. Sounds like a good tradeoff to me in favor of the 308 unless I really want the 200+ grains, but even then you are only getting 9.7%-13.3% more speed for 32-44% more recoil. I mean if you gotta have that heavier grain... Yeah def convinced me to go with the 308 going by your numbers, thanks!

[@johncoleman2495]

The lowly .308 will always be my favorite cartridge for the simple fact that it can and will do anything I need to do with a rifle. And it will do it without excess recoil, blast and barrel wear. There is ammo available everywhere, it's probably available in more different loadings than just about anything else. It works in every action type commonly available and is chambered in more rifles by more manufacturers than just about anything else. I couldn't care less about the latest and greatest wizbang here today gone tomorrow cartridges that you and every other writer/KZbinr spend your life pitching to us only to see them disappear into the land of the forgotten. It'll be here longer than most all of them.

[@normanrotwell1760]

I bought 800 rnds of factory loaded 308 with Scirocco IIs in front of Hodgdon Extreme powder for $1/rnd three years ago. On top of the well over 1000+ other 308 rounds on-hand. Factory loaded VOR-TX with 130 gr TTSX at 3100fps is impressive. I'm commited.

[@dominicteresi3835]

The 130 ttsx Barnes are in my opinion the best 308.

[@Milkman3572000]

162 gr Black tip sitting there. Makes me smile. Those are serious bullets in that 30-06. M1A fanboy here, My experience with 168grs from my M1A.... Wind drift IS the issue. Especially when compared to the 6.5 Creedmore. At 700 yrds the wind drift, in my testing, can be twice as much for the 308 than the 6.5. Elevation is manageable and predictable.

[@jimmiebuckler997]

30-06 and 308 are the same same for most people but you will see higher velocities in the 06 as much as 200 fps higher in some loads. Just depends on the load.

[@sinisterthoughts2896]

And with its greater case capacity you can seat a longer load without losing as much volume in the case, meaning you aren't robbing your powder capacity to push heavier slugs.

[@robertmiller3562]

My Ruger No1 with a 3-9x50 scope and using a 165gr Nosler solid copper will forever be my go to setup

[@calvinruggles732]

Thanks Ron, this was highly entertaining. I always chuckle a bit hearing you talk about the 308, as it seems you have exactly the same feeling toward it as I have for the 6.5 creedmoor; it is a great round when used in its proper application, but it does not live up to it's hype (honestly what could?) Thanks again, and happy hunting

[@NebukedNezzer]

I have a ruger american bolt action 308 with a good scope. it was not expensive and works great.

[@NelsonZAPTM]

Ron, i love your work. I've been shooting 308 since the 80's, combined with 223. These are what we would call "gumboot" in NZ. Gum boots are rubber footware mostly seen on farmers feet, but unless there is a dress code they are the only shoes you will need. "Gumboots, they are wonderful, gumboots they are swell, they keep out the water and they keep out the smell ". (NZ's unofficial national song)