Redsox or Yankees, Stallone or Schwarzenegger, 308 Winchester or 6.5 Creedmoor? For two cartridges that are so similar, there shouldn't be so much debate right....right? #BergaraRifles #6.5CMvs308Win #308Winvs6.5CM
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@tomcarvelli64642 жыл бұрын
The 308 Winchester is popular because it works REALLY well. If you buy a rifle in 308 you will never regret it.
@mustangdemon872 жыл бұрын
So does 6.5. Why you think spec ops switched to it.
@bigjon5762 жыл бұрын
@@mustangdemon87 because it does the exact same...
@mustangdemon872 жыл бұрын
@@bigjon576 with much more precision and less recoil.
@cbwelch42 жыл бұрын
Yup! It kills. Not only that but the recoil is entirely tolerable and any place that will have ammo will have some. I have both. 6.5 is fine for white tails and pigs.
@cbwelch42 жыл бұрын
Dude after 500 yards, .308 loses energy faster.
@timg7627 Жыл бұрын
“Just because you can hit your target doesn’t mean you should shoot your target” That quote is spot on and should be the mantra for every hunter
@lecoureurdesbois862 жыл бұрын
Finally a good detailed video, simple, informative, straight to the point
@mrdrenalin692 жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@chug-a-lug68422 жыл бұрын
I like the 7mm-08 it’s the best of both worlds right in between both probably the most underrated cartridges out there
@cbwelch42 жыл бұрын
I want to add a .284 to my collection and that’s on the short list. I don’t see it in stores too much where I live though. 6.5 CM and PRC is more common. I see 7mm Rem Mag more often, but hear it hits the shoulder pretty hard. I don’t really need to make a 500 yard shot and it is overkill where I live. I can hit past 300 yards with .308, but like 6.5 CM’s recoil more. If it weren’t so darned expensive! I like the concept of 7mm-08. Sounds like it does a lot well. Love my .308. But don’t think I’d want to shoot 7mm mag as much as I shoot .308. (I have more than one.) You get past 2 boxes of .308 and I don’t notice while shooting because I love to shoot, but the next day my shoulder’s feeling it. I’ve been thinking about a .243 for that reason. I see that all the time and the ammo is easy to find, but it is all expensive hunting ammo not fmj and I don’t like wasting hunting ammo. I shoot .223 a lot.
@wileytw552 жыл бұрын
I agree, out to 400 yds the 7-08 will do just as well if not better than the 6.5. And compared to the 308 it has better BC and less felt recoil. NOT that there is anything wrong with any of them.
@AngryIrishBastard Жыл бұрын
Hands down better than both inside 400 yds (my ethical limit) Im thinking of a 308 bushgun and brass feeder to be converted to 7mm08 but trimming and resizing - and then uses same 7mm bullets as the 7mmPRC Very underrated and should have replaced the 5.56 instead of the .277 as a "do all" IMO
@terryleblanc6868 Жыл бұрын
Almost bought several seven mm08 until I realized I better buy 10 boxes ammo first.. or see just 1 at academy .
@vick9721 Жыл бұрын
@@wileytw55yes my brother shoots 7-08
@christopherpadron9217 Жыл бұрын
Depending on the size of the game and distance; each gun has its purpose. I bought them both
@davidkirksey18482 жыл бұрын
Great advice, and as a Hunter do not forget bigger hole better blood trails and usually faster blood loss. Most ethical shots on game occur inside 300 yards and my effective range in all field positions shooting with my sling are under 300 yards, so I choose .308.
@C.D.-tz6sk2 ай бұрын
This👆 And plenty of ammo availability and bullet weight choices
@jasoncarpenter41162 жыл бұрын
That's why you just skip all of the difficult thinking and just buy them both!
@NoBody-ij9dj2 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate the simple no nonsense approach, no pun intended, to this video. There are so many that try to break it down in so many ways but this gets right to the point. Awesome work!
@bloodwintertales5984 Жыл бұрын
Just bought a 6.5CM (savage axis) for hunting coyotes and wild boar with my grandpa
@four4bman9792 жыл бұрын
I have a B-14 Hunter in 308 and love it! I recently shot a
@bcjdwbiernfjherwfbowfib2 жыл бұрын
6.5- small/ medium game and target round. Low recoil and requires a longer barrel 308- medium/large game and can run heavier bullets for more energy at 300 yards and in. Also can run a shorter barrel. They’re both good, pick which one fits your needs. They were designed for 2 different things.
@MrStaybrown2 жыл бұрын
But the 6.5×55 swede has been used for moose for decades 🤔
@bcjdwbiernfjherwfbowfib2 жыл бұрын
@@MrStaybrown Deer have been killed with 22lr. Doesn’t mean you should.
@lecoureurdesbois862 жыл бұрын
@@MrStaybrown 3:39
@mustangdemon872 жыл бұрын
Took a elk at 600 yards 6.5 creed 140g. So don't need a 308 by any means!
@bcjdwbiernfjherwfbowfib2 жыл бұрын
@@mustangdemon87 I am sure you did man. I bet you also can throw a pigskin a quarter mile also.
@bryanbrown1788 Жыл бұрын
Literally the best explanation between these two Giants that I have heard yet today! One is great here and the other is great there! Everyone wants to compare them both at the same time. Thank you.
@misterbaddabing Жыл бұрын
They both have their uses. If you want to punch paper (or ring steel) at 1000+ yards, get the Creedmoor. If you hunt at 600 yards or less, get the 308.
@TheShadiboy1 Жыл бұрын
800yd with 308 shot an elk drop dead, perfect choice
@dvskane1808 Жыл бұрын
I have a few .308’s. Also have a 7mm-08, I don’t need a 6.5. 7mm-08 is just better than a 6.5 imo.
@mike36dc Жыл бұрын
Good points, BUT... 1. I just took my 2nd elk with my 6.5 cm, at 500 yards. 143 grain Hornady eldx performed flawlessly. The elk didn't seem to mind the lighter weight. 2. In Scandinavia they have been hunting moose with the 6.5 x 55 for over 100 years, and they continue to do so to the present day. It's all about shot placement and as good as the 308 is, and it's really really good, there's nothing it can kill that the 6.5 cm can't.
@gsh341 Жыл бұрын
If you have a shot at a mule deer at 500 yards, your best bet for an ethical kill isn't the 308. At 500 yards a 178gr ELDX is down to just 1,860 fps and may not expand. However, the 6.5 CM with a 143gr ELDX is still going 2,030 fps and will expand properly. As for power, the 308 is at 1,377 ft-lbs of energy and the 6.5 CM is at 1,308 ft-lbs. Both still have more than enough energy to make a good kill at that range. The only limiting factor is whether or not the bullet expands. Drop and drift for both rifles at that range is close enough it's not really an issue at that range. The 308 definitely has the advantage in power under 400 yards, but that's about the extent of it's useful hunting range for large game.
@davidbell16192 жыл бұрын
I own both .308 and 6.5. I like both. Plus I don't split hairs. Both are all I'll ever need.
@borjastick2 жыл бұрын
The price difference is the only thing that matters to me. 308 all the way and I recently bought a B14 HMR. Love it to bits btw.
@2greeksandacamera Жыл бұрын
VERY SUCCINCTLY EXPLAINED, THANK YOU.
@jasons12872 ай бұрын
Good review. Thank You.
@doghousedon12 жыл бұрын
The shooting sports is like golf. You don't see those boys argue over which club is best and they have a bag full of them. That works for me.
@madmantovalhalla69712 жыл бұрын
I have both and I grab the 6.5 all day long
@madmantovalhalla69712 жыл бұрын
@@123tl I like to head shot at 300m and it's the same cartridge just necked down infact you can put a 6.5 in a 308 and fire in and then reload it as 308. I keep my Tikka 308 for night shoots. But on foot and tracking the animals I yours my sako carbonlight
@madmantovalhalla69712 жыл бұрын
@@123tl your sister sounds Hot 🔥
@moonshinerphd9523 Жыл бұрын
For me it's the .308 Winchester hands down. I live in Virginia at the foot of the Southern Appalachians, if I can get a 500 yard shot I'll be doing good. Besides, the only one I'll be competing against is my son, myself and maybe a couple friends. I wanted to get a Bergara B-14 HMR in 6.5 Creedmoor or .300 Win Mag until I found out the life of the barrels are only about 3000 - 4000 rounds. I changed my mind to the .308 with a barrel life of somewhere between 10,000 - 12,000 rounds before a barrel change.
@SlavGuns2 жыл бұрын
"147 is the biggest weight you can get because that's what Hornady offers..." Um.... #1... Hornady also has 153 grain A-Tips, #2... there are MORE ammo and bullet companies than just Hornady that produce 6.5mm bullets... greater than 147 grains in weight.... just saying.
@bcjdwbiernfjherwfbowfib2 жыл бұрын
5 grains more… NO WAY😂. Do they make a 178 grain 6.5? lol
@SlavGuns2 жыл бұрын
@@bcjdwbiernfjherwfbowfib There is a 180. BTSniper. Berger makes 156 grain. Of course you would know it is not strictly bullet weight but rather energy if we are talking hunting which of course is a combination of velocity and bullet weight. Of course once again, it is stupid to shoot something THAT heavy to simply be subsonic... as there are better calibers for it. In either case, past 300 yards or so, 6.5 CM starts walking it very quickly....But if you are hunting only, there are other considerations.
@bcjdwbiernfjherwfbowfib2 жыл бұрын
@@SlavGuns Im sure there is a 180. I know tons of people that use them…………
@SlavGuns2 жыл бұрын
@@bcjdwbiernfjherwfbowfib I never said too many use them... why? because it's stupid. =) (just like subsonic 308 vs a proper subsonic cartridge). With 6.5 CM I actually prefer 130s. My issue with this video is that it was rather poorly researched/planned and just rushed. =) 308 is a cool caliber and I have a few bolt guns in it, but as you pointed out in a different comment, there is a place for both. Industry data however suggests most gun owners have made their choice. (data I have from large gun companies, NSSF and retailers).
@joetjuan Жыл бұрын
Excellent comparison and thank you for the info. I have been trying to consider which rifle I will get for hunting I was looking at the bolt action AXIS II Precision. Just wasn't sure which caliber yet. All my info talks very negatively about the .308 when comparing it to the 6.5 creedmoor. I like the .308 but everyone including some friends are saying 6.5 is better. This vid is an excellent comparison. I shot it a lot in the military. I still think it is a better round and it has proven itself as the (battle rifle caliber). Keep the videos coming and we appreciate your work.
@sleepyghost42972 жыл бұрын
The 308 will have cheaper and more available rounds. The barrel life will also be much longer than the 6.5
@ltcjwb23272 жыл бұрын
For light game, the 6.5 Creed is an excellent cartridge. For long range target-shooting, it is one of the best. For large or tough game, it is seriously outclassed by the .308. Compare the best Hornady hunting cartridge, 143 gn PH at 2700 fps and a BC of .623 with the 165 gn Nosler Accubond or Ballistic Tip at 2800 fps, with a BC of .475. At sea level, the .308 exceeds the 6.5 in energy out to 500 yards, retaining 1500 lb/ft (minimum for elk) out to 400, while the 6.5 drops off the scale after 350. Take that to 6000 feet, 45 degrees, 35% humidity and 10 mph crosswind and the .308 carries 1728 lb/ft. to 500 yards, vs 1569 for the 6.5, and the difference in drop is negligible. The 6.5 will drift a bit less, but it will not hit as hard at any range. It was designed by Hornady to be a long-range competition round with the minimum recoil and best ballistics. All this assumes a barrel length of 24", since that is what the factories test with.
@bcjdwbiernfjherwfbowfib2 жыл бұрын
finally someone gets it. 6.5 for targets and small/medium game. 308 for medium to large game.
@pahuntnut2 жыл бұрын
Yes and those numbers say one thing. Real life, cow elk at 400 yards 4 shots with 6.5 to bring it down. bull elk at 360 yards one shot 308 150 gn. will never use the 6.5 for elk again
@MrStaybrown2 жыл бұрын
But the 6.5x55 swede has been used for moose for a long time. 🤷♂️ I don't know who to believe
@bcjdwbiernfjherwfbowfib2 жыл бұрын
@@pahuntnut dang man, 4 shots thats crazy. Im glad it didn’t get away from you.
@bcjdwbiernfjherwfbowfib2 жыл бұрын
@@MrStaybrown Its an internet thing I think. I come to youtube to learn knowledge, and a lot of it seems to be people saying they “dropped an elk” at 500 yards with a creedmor. I don’t buy it, and its physics. A larger projectile, weighing more, going faster is gonna smack wild game a lot harder. The 6.5 is skinnier, lighter, and slower. They both work well for what they were intended for.
@danramirez42902 жыл бұрын
Excellent commentary! Thx u
@iRoN_ReGiMEnT2 жыл бұрын
Got my HMR in 308 and absolutely love it
@davidhayes75962 жыл бұрын
.308 is great on deer. It's also inherently accurate.
@ianstuart7395 Жыл бұрын
My 6.5 shoots every load I have put through it good. My.308 does not, certain ammo only.
@rockchalk06 Жыл бұрын
Short answer just get both!
@jacobmccandles17672 жыл бұрын
For me the difference is game size. Deer, 6.5 Creed. Elk, .308. *That said* would I hut elk (or moose) with a 6.5 Creed? Yes, yes I would...but I'd be mindful and pick my shots a bit more carefully.
@easttexan29332 жыл бұрын
I think rifle and ammo manufacturers took "Cash Cow 101" from the golf industry. New clubs and golf balls come out every week.
@theknifeman70972 жыл бұрын
I choose.308 because that's what I have lol
@DRHODES1979 Жыл бұрын
At 500 yards, I think you might be surprised at how close the two are when it comes to retained energy.
@C.D.-tz6sk2 ай бұрын
That 308 high performance long range remmington 180 grain elk round packing over 1800fps and over 1400 fpe at 500 yards. i don't see the 6.5 packing that energy out there or leaving a bigger blood trail.
@DRHODES19792 ай бұрын
@@C.D.-tz6sk Factory Hornday Precision Hunter in 6.5 Creedmoor is doing over 2000fps with over 1300 fpe at 500 yards. So as I said, it's pretty close.
@C.D.-tz6sk2 ай бұрын
Yep! I thought you were of some previous posters mindset that the 308 cant hold its own out there at long hunting ranges. Sorry for any confusion on my part.
@mr.mr.33012 жыл бұрын
How about a 7mm08
@todsimpkins89082 жыл бұрын
Great hunting cartridge. wish more rifles were chambered in it. When my .308 needs new barrel, gonna get it rechambered in 7mm-08
@jimpalmer4916 Жыл бұрын
The 6.5 cm is a great target round. Using the 6.5 cm for hunting is the same as the 6.5×55 using 140 gr. bullets. The 7.62x 51 is more flexible than the 6.5 because of all those heavier bullets to choose from.
@garrytalley80092 жыл бұрын
Bigger hole the more they leak. I own both. Trophy buck within a couple hundred yards give me the .308. Meat in the freezer less recoil give me the 6.5 Creedmoor. Big bucks will run even with good shot placement sometimes. I hate having to trail a deer in the woods and then have to retrieve it from a bad situation of trees, brush and the like. Prefer dead in their tracks on big bucks. But hey I love my .270 as well as either of the other two. You just can't have enough rifles even though it does get confusing which one to hunt with when you have so many. I get confused every year, but I make sure to harvest deer with all of them. One has to have a reason to have a new rifle, right? Not if you're not married but it does help to have a cover story when you have a wife to convince you need another one.
@tailor-madestructuresllc1239 Жыл бұрын
Great Video!!!
@charlesludwig91732 жыл бұрын
The most meaningful measure for NRA High Power Competitor is MOA wind constant. The MOA constant of 6.5 Creedmoor is about 16-18 at 600 yards, while the .308 is about 12, meaning the 6.5 Creedmoor bullet is less deflected by wind. A 1 mph full value wind will displace 6.5 Creedmoor bullet about .375 MOA, or 2.25 inches at 600 yards. A 1 mph full value wind will displace .308 bullet about .5 MOA, or 3 inches. This contrast does not seem meaningful but since the X-Ring of the 600-yard target is only about 3 inches in diameter, more X-Ring hits are assured from 6.5 Creedmoor. And, at the High Master level it's X-Count that determines winners, since perfect scores are common. Now, considering the 6.5 Creedmoor can be shot from a detachable mag semi-auto having less recoil than .308 from similar platform, a shooter can better manage his 200- and 300-yard rapid fire positions. That's to say, there's time to dress up a sight picture, having greater resistance to recoil. At any rate, the only downside to the 6.5 Creedmoor compared to .308 is in context to barrel life and Marksmanship development. Shooters just getting into Long Range would be smart to compete with a .308 which necessitates learning how to appraise and counter wind.
@leeeng478 Жыл бұрын
In NRA High power utilizes Palma rules which negate 308 best bullets. The max grain bullets allowed by Palma are 156gr which takes away the 308's 168 and 175's.
@LamNguyen-um6kh2 жыл бұрын
Excellent advice, Thanks Arron
@ImageThisPhoto2 жыл бұрын
Using CFE223 for both .308 and 6.5 CM, I developed loads and the results have me looking closer at .308. The .308 load with 155 grain bullet is averaging 2959fps, while my fastest 6.5CM 140gr bullet is averaging, 2781fps. The .308 rifle I tested does have a 2" longer barrel (24") but, I still wonder why the significant difference in speed. I should mention, the CFE223 in 6.5 CM has given me the highest fps out of numerous different powders tested. Scratching my head as I look at buying a Bergara and cant decide on Caliber. However, the 20" barrel on Bergara .308 just isnt long enough...
@todsimpkins89082 жыл бұрын
depends on what you need it for. I have a Bergara Wilderness Terrain in 308. The short fat barrel is deadly accurate. 2 inches don't matter for hunting. 308 is better for hunting that 6.5. anyways.
@joelodjick2302 жыл бұрын
@@todsimpkins8908 Hard to imagine a situation where its all that much better.
@joelodjick2302 жыл бұрын
Josh, unless you're shooting VERY far in the wind, doubt it ever really matters man.
@biggs87292 жыл бұрын
Josh, it’s internal ballistics versus external ballistics. Internally, inside the barrel, the 308 can generate a higher velocity using similar weight projectiles than the 6.5 because there’s more surface area on the back of a 308 for the expanding gas to push against. Aside from the fact that you can put a few extra grains of powder in the cartridge, That’s why you can run the 155 grain in 308 so fast while you struggle to get similar velocities from the 6.5 Creedmoor. But the same thing that makes the 308 faster at the muzzle is what makes it lose all that velocity a lot faster as well. I know a couple of old-timers who have shot more elk and moose with a 25-06 using 120 grain projectiles then you have probably ever even seen in your life. I say hunt with what you got and understand the characteristics of your chosen projectile and what it’s gonna do at different ranges and then make a decision about how far you are comfortable shooting at game. And enjoy hunting and don’t let everyone else bring you down because you choose to hunt with this rather than that.
@joelodjick2302 жыл бұрын
@@biggs8729 amen!
@NewTraditionalists2 ай бұрын
Different calibers and different guns for different purposes. Consider well exactly what you want to do-whether that be singular or plural-and then do your research in light of that. All the comments making this an abstract either/or dilemma are as ridiculous as would be an artist making arguments for one color being better than another, or a particular size of paintbrush being better than another, or a particular size of canvas being better than another.
@williamthomas3620 Жыл бұрын
I like the 6.5CM because of the light recoil. when hunting with it, just get closer.
@jennifermorgan69132 жыл бұрын
thanks for this👍 I found it helpful.
@borisptitsyn21302 жыл бұрын
gun owners love traditions. however, it's the wildcats that help the industry a lot more than those continually using grandpa's hand me down. tradition prevents innovation.
@Aurelisk2 жыл бұрын
308 is a better round. Not too many people need to shoot at 1,000 yards.
@alexrodiles8585 Жыл бұрын
That’s was really helpful for me that I’m newbie. Thanks
@trevorteague84302 жыл бұрын
Hornady also offers a 160gr RN in .264 that can be loaded in the CM.
@mustangdemon872 жыл бұрын
Been working up new loads for these myself. Hoping for more elk next year
@robertschweppenhauser9891 Жыл бұрын
As a sniper round I prefer the 308 as it's a harder hitter and ammunition is a lot cheaper in my country .
@baovercomer9021 Жыл бұрын
I just bought a 308 for hunting whitetails yesterday, what grain do you recommend I use.
@reloadnorth77222 жыл бұрын
I live in northern Canada and use a 308 for everything. There has never been a wounded animal run away when I shot at it with the 308. I reload and use 155 to 168 bullets, Varget, IMR4895, BL-C2, and IMR4064. Magnum primers.
@leeeng478 Жыл бұрын
You basically just stated a very clear advantage of the 308. All the powders you just mentioned shoot good out of my bolt action and my AR-10. Creedmoor powders prefer 4350 slower powders which do not shoot well in gas guns.
@reloadnorth7722 Жыл бұрын
@@leeeng478 Thankyou
@lifesfordeath2 жыл бұрын
Dearborn it's Rube, hope you're well bud great vid!!
@Two2onefive2 жыл бұрын
Is this video try telling me which Bergara to buy? Don't fret, I bought both the 308 and the 6.5 Bergara rifles...
@drewfliesbikes2 жыл бұрын
The sound of .308 ringing steel is just a little sweeter, a little more solid, than the 6.5cm
@robertjackson14072 жыл бұрын
Thank you 😊
@20cameron1 Жыл бұрын
It seems a lot of the comparisons come from the fact that both are on the lower end of the ballistics and it comes down to what you’re hunting.
@billj56452 жыл бұрын
I don't see why there would be a battle between .308 and 6.5C, but the 6.5C should be continually trying to prove why it has a right to exist against the .260 Remington.
@johnbaldwin351 Жыл бұрын
6.5 cm can fit longer, heavy high BC bullets in the same size action. Factory rifles have faster twist to stabilize heavy for caliber bullets
@traillesstravelled7901 Жыл бұрын
The .30cal projectile I can load in a 300 blackout, .308 win., 30-06 for well under a $1 pop is gonna win for me.
@aberhan Жыл бұрын
Two different cartridges, serve two different purposes. One cartridge that can replace both is the 270 Winchester if you can only have one rifle.
@OldmanSnake2 жыл бұрын
Own both and unless you can make shots at 1000 yards or more consistently, I'll take .308 all day. Most 6.5 barrels burn out at 1500-2000 rounds vs 6000-10,000 with the. 308
@jaxbeach092 жыл бұрын
Do some research man. 6.5 barrels can go 2000-2500 rounds. The 6mm CM will burn barrels out at 1000-2000 rounds.
@charlesludwig91732 жыл бұрын
@@jaxbeach09 I am a high master long range competitor. I used to shoot a 6.5/284. At 1000 yards I typically could hold about 1 to 2 MOA in prevailing wind. But after about 500 rounds it was very difficult to get 2 MOA cleans because of throat erosion. This was problematic for me since I shot about 50 rounds each weekend, meaning the expense of a new barrel about every 3 months. At any rate, I could not afford to replace barrels at 500 rounds so I switched to Service Rifle Division of long range competition which allows me to shoot my .223 match conditioned AR-15. With this rifle I can expect the barrel to last from about 1800 to 3000 rounds depending on whether it’s a button or cut rifled barrel. The cut rifled barrels last longer but typically are not as accurate as buttoned barrels. BTW, I also have put a lot of .308 rounds down range to 1000 yards and I can’t say how many rounds a 308 barrel can typically go. I have one 308 with a cut stainless barrel that has about 5000 rounds through it from 4 seasons of long range shooting and it’s still a half MOA gun with M118LR like it was from the beginning
@MrKillswitch472 жыл бұрын
So 6.5 is a good round say inside of 100-300 yards for white tail?
@bcjdwbiernfjherwfbowfib2 жыл бұрын
will work fine
@motocross65392 жыл бұрын
U can kill elk all day at that range
@FullDrawOutdoors2 жыл бұрын
that round is good to 500...passed that you want to step up to a 6.5 PRC
@caseroj60202 жыл бұрын
As a matter of fact I do own Bergara rifles in both 308 Win and 6.5 Creedmoor. I don't see this as an either/or proposition. I like them both so I own them both. But I confess to being a little more partial to the 308 Win just because of the flexibility it affords.
@mustangdemon872 жыл бұрын
What's flexibility is different then 6.5 creed? Our group hasn't found anything pro 308. Just cons.
@caseroj60202 жыл бұрын
@@mustangdemon87 Cheaper and more readily available ammunition, higher energy down range by virtue of being able to shoot heavier bullets. In all the metrics that are important to me the 308 Win beats the 6.5 Creedmor.
@mustangdemon872 жыл бұрын
@@caseroj6020 funny it has been easier to find 6.5 creed in multiple southern an western states this past 3 years. As well as 6.5 has been cheaper per round. 308 180g vs 6.5 creed 172g didn't different that much ballistically. So what else you got? 😏
@mustangdemon872 жыл бұрын
6.5 creed at 1000yards had 319 inches of drop. 308 had 372 inches at 1280fps while creedmoor held 1490fps. 6.5 creed won't come out of supersonic for atleast another 200 to 300 yards pushing effective range out to around 1300yards. Because USSOCOM (U.S. Special Operations Command) found that, as compared to flat-footed .308 (specifically M118LR, the military’s best long-range .308 load), 6.5 Creedmoor doubles snipers’ hit probability at 1,000 meters, increases effective range by at least a third, increases energy on target by 50%, reduces the effect of wind by 40%, and has at least 30% less recoil, they begin converting their .308 Win MK110A1 and Mk20 rifles to 6.5 CM in 2018.
@caseroj60202 жыл бұрын
@@mustangdemon87 Like I said I own both type of rifles and during the "great ammo shortage of 2020-21" I was able to find 308 Win ammo throughout the year. I was not able to find 6.5 Creedmor ammo until about 3 months ago. I did manage to score three cases of it a few months ago but I had to scramble and quickly place my orders. The inventory was all gone two hours later. As far as pricing goes unless it's Nosler ammunition loaded with an accubond the 308 Win ammo has been consistently cheaper for me than the 6.5 Creedmor. I attribute all these observations to the fact that too many people have bought into the 6.5 Creedmor-mania and caused a spike in demand. Yes it is a good round but it is not the best round.
@2017Toy2 жыл бұрын
It's funny how awesome the 308 Winchester was until the 6.5 creedmoor came out and now it's no good anymore so some people say The military loves the 308 for a good reason.
@thomassellers38132 жыл бұрын
Nothing wrong with the 308 but outside of training it’s being replaced by 6.5. But that’s how things work. Newer designs with better technology usually do surpass older designs.
@hotramen59522 жыл бұрын
the military is looking to replace the .308 with 6.5 creed for designated marksman. more accurate, less recoil, able to engage and kill targets at 800 yards. thats the largest role the .308 has at this time. "its funny how awsome the .30-06 was until the .308 winchester came out" sounds pretty stupid when you apply that logic like our grandfathers, eh.
@libertyprime93072 жыл бұрын
It's funny how awesome math and physics are until a guy on KZbin comes up with a comment to dismiss them. The military is replacing .308 with 6.5 Creedmoor for a good reason.
@dbeardsley02 жыл бұрын
6.5 creedmoor has a max of 156 grain actually made by Berger, both 308 and 6.5 are awesome. Own both and shoot both enjoyably
@thomassellers38132 жыл бұрын
It’s funny to read some of the comments on here. Most say one or the other is garbage 🤣🤣🤣
@MrBuckeye63 Жыл бұрын
Actually… 156gr bullet in a 6.5 Creedmoor S&B makes it Same bullet they use for the 6.5x55 Which I took a 425 lb Black bear with in a sporterized Swedish Mauser in 6.5X55 at 75 yards it punched a hole straight through its shoulders breaking both shoulders The 6.5 Creedmoor kills better than its weight .. as the 6.5x55 has taken polar bears , Moose & Kudu & Elk The 6.5 Creedmoor can do the same .. only better But .. I hunt with a 308win Just is a incredible round
@oncewaswicked2 жыл бұрын
Thus the reason I have a 308 & a 6.5 prc
@myracabrera805011 күн бұрын
Great info brother…
@BergaraOfficial4 күн бұрын
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!
@PunisherDMT2 ай бұрын
The .308 simply does not out perform the 6.5 Creedmoor at longer ranges. Example: Hornady .308 178 gr ELD-X versus 6.5 Creedmoor 143 gr ELD-X @ 500 yards. the .308 is 1868 fps with 1379 lb-ft and drops -50.2" the 6.5 CM is 2025 fps with 1302 lb-ft and drops -44.5" Based on energy alone, I would personally consider both cartridges maxed out at 500 yards for deer sized game, and I see no real advantage with the .308 performance wise. As stated in the video, game hit with these bullets at these ranges will not know the difference.
@SomoneTookMyName Жыл бұрын
Coming from high end air guns as my go to for shooting for years over my powder burners. Its interesting to see what is considered effective in terms of FPE on the side of powder burners. Where in the case of air guns those requirements are far different in terms of hunting. An air gun capable of producing 100fpe at the muzzle easily gets the job done at a good distance, with deer and even black bear. Sure its not near that of a firearm distance wise but still my point is that it would seem that the recommended FPE is drastically different between the two. Now dont go knocking air guns. They are very capable tools for hunting. Many, and I mean many states allow it. Even with the taking of the largest beasts that they have. I have recently started to bring out the firearms and purchased a 6.5 creed. Just a ramble I guess.
@cgiles90862 жыл бұрын
Are you better off getting a B14 HMR in 6.5 creedmoor or 308 IF you wanted to rebarrel the rifle later on and change calibers to try something new/get bored with the original caliber/etc.?? Is it good/acceptable normal wear and tear for the rifles receiver to change barrels/calibers every 6 months or so for the duration of the rifles life? I could see here you may want to work long range target matches in the Spring and Summer and be in 6.5 creedmoor and then go over to 308 in the same receiver for Fall and Winter hunting season.
@mr.nobody682 жыл бұрын
One of these has been used to kill everything on the face of the earth. Numerous times. The other has been used to hit steel at a mile. 65c is a cool little round. I bought my Bergara in 65c. But the 65 is extremely over-rated and just cannot do a lot of the things people claim EDIT: I forgot to mention that 175gr is getting damn heavy for a 308. Anything bigger and you need your head examined.
@joelodjick2302 жыл бұрын
Everything on the face of the Earth? Doubt the 308 is killing things a 6.5 is any more marginal at
@mr.nobody682 жыл бұрын
@@joelodjick230 thanks for proving my point
@joelodjick2302 жыл бұрын
@@mr.nobody68 your point was that the 6.5 Creed can kill anything the 308 kills, as in "anything on Earth" AND hit steel at 1 mile? Not seeing how that is "extremely overrated".
@mustangdemon872 жыл бұрын
So what can't it do? 🤔 6 to 8 of us on the team switched 6 years ago. Still have zero issues. With game, target, or hostiles.
@joelodjick2302 жыл бұрын
@@mustangdemon87 Maybe all this real world success is just part of the "overhype" ;)
@rpk52502 жыл бұрын
Great video. Do you all sell barreled actions that can be dropped into chassis systems?
@WilhelmNauta2 ай бұрын
Wrong. The 308 is not the cartridge for shooting heavy bullets.
@terryleblanc6868 Жыл бұрын
I hunt the thick Woods of south Louisiana most shots under 100 yards in the brush. Have both calibers hoping they'll soon make a 65 cm in a round nose. Brush bullet. 308 has every bullet type under the sun . Wonderful comparison of calibers , unlike the bias" paid " people promoting 6.5cm. Your vid made me sub
@redplemons8084 Жыл бұрын
Looking good buddy. Hope you are good...Red
@mr.noneyabidness2 жыл бұрын
you can get 160gn for 6.5 calibers. the Europeans have been dropping moose with the 6.5 x 57 for literally hundreds of years.
@leeeng478 Жыл бұрын
So 200 years ago the swedes were using 6.5's? Sweden is heavily forested the shooters are required to meet stringent marksmen skills for shots under 300 yards!!!
@davidwarren3433 Жыл бұрын
It's actually about 150 years for the 6.5's in Sweeden@@leeeng478
@MrHiggsrocks2 жыл бұрын
Wife loves her 308, but we don’t shoot paper we shoot things In brushy cover and I don’t want them running off .. 308 for the heavier bullets or I’d be using my 243 Winchester ... no a hater of the Creedmoor, just not a fan
@gabell727 Жыл бұрын
The larger diameter makes the 308 much more deadly than the 6.5. I like the175 grain terminal ascent. The 6.5 CM is a target cartridge, OK for pronghorns.
@BCBtrucks64 Жыл бұрын
if i wanted something with more impact at a greater distance say 100y-250y for the cm out to 250y-350y i would jump up to a 30-06
@jamessutherland5107 Жыл бұрын
What I don't get is if the Creedmoor is so awesome, why wasn't the 6.5 swede or any of the .264s as popular. This is not a new idea. BYW, as a western elk hunter, I just don't think bullets under 165gr are a great idea, just me. I know probably thousands of elk are shot every year with less.
@malinkifox20117 ай бұрын
Why does 6.5 cm have a red tip?
@rustymiller1942 жыл бұрын
I’ve never understood a subsonic 308 Winchester???? Why ???? Isn’t this an oxymoron???
@johndusablon18952 жыл бұрын
I agree the 308 is a great cartridge but not all the facts in this video are correct One of the most important things is that the Creedmoor holds its energy at long distance much better than the 308 does after 400 yards the 6.5 was a better choice up close the 308 wins every time this is why the military is switching over We have a lot of cartridges to pick from there’s a lot of good ones out there we shouldn’t just say one is the greatest
@MamasFunkyMonkey2 жыл бұрын
Umm I shoot 156 grain rounds in my 6.5 cm I think he means hunting rounds.... It's annoying when someone explaining somthing expects you to know details he doesn't say.... not a fan of this kinda junk learned nothing
@Jonathan_Knight Жыл бұрын
"Big game" with two legs wearing a ballistic vest? .308 OR 6.5 CM
@kipkipper-lg9vl10 ай бұрын
I think your fucked either way, but 308 was a designed battle cartridge so I guess I'd pick that
@gustavoradaovejas83782 жыл бұрын
7mm-08 can be good for plinking and hunt.
@SlavGuns2 жыл бұрын
I am guessing Bergara has an extra amount of 308 chambered guns. =) So a few issues here. 1. At distance, that is where 6.5 CM has the advantage actually, it bleeds off energy slower than 308. 2. Subsonic 308? Um.... get a 300 blackout if that is what you want. As far as "everyone has a 308..." that might have been before... but as I am sure every manufacturer knows now, 6.5 CM sells more guns today than every other rifle caliber combined. It is inherently a better, more efficient cartridge, ESPECIALLY if you do not hand load. If you handload, then you can obviously overcome a lot of the factors.
@joshuasutton4043 Жыл бұрын
I own both the 6.5 is a good round don’t get me wrong I w shot many deer with it through the neck body shots the deer tend to run away and I can’t find a blood trail they bleed more on inside of body cavity with the 6.5 but the 308 leave little more punch .
@BuriedAliveDesigns2 жыл бұрын
Can a stock Bergara rifle fit a 240 grain bullet….now you’re taking about custom chambering, LOL and saying a 6.5 has less energy isn’t true, if it retains its velocity at a long distance we know that KE=0.5×m×v 2, it’s physics, so that statement is only true to a point.
@rangvald4036 Жыл бұрын
I only buy calibers with a long history of military use, period. The only calibers I will ever own are 9mm, .45, .223, .308, .300WM, etc etc
@fredmertz1791 Жыл бұрын
.308 all day long.. It's 20.00 a box cheaper, and works better.
@jacomalan7555 Жыл бұрын
6.5 Creed is for guys who secretly sit down when they pee
@titomish5914 Жыл бұрын
How do you know??
@SIGMACH12 ай бұрын
Why isn't the creedmoor compared to similarly sized 260 or 264 more often? Everybody knows the 308 ballistics and its not known to be flat. It's like a teenager challenging a chubby middle aged guy to a race. I'm not knocking either round they are both great!
@coppertopv3652 жыл бұрын
308 ... 👍🏻
@LonnieWalker-hv4no Жыл бұрын
I own both calibers. I have found that Berger bullets are fantastic for My applications. The best load I found for the 6.5 is their 156 grain EOL Hunter line of bullets. However my 150 say’s I load for .308 out shoot the 6.5 hands down.
@RockinRack Жыл бұрын
I love my creedmoors but I would be lying if I said it was more effective on deer than 308
@bobjohnson90122 жыл бұрын
All this argument and I didn't hear a word about 7mm mauser
@NoWayIsWay86 Жыл бұрын
308 would be more effective inside 250 yards by transferring energy into the target. 6.5 could zip right through because it's moving too fast inside 250 yards. I think for hunting, 308 wins.