I've Been 💲DEMONETISED💲: The Saga So Far

[@youtubecreators]

Jill -- so sorry this has been a confusing experience. Our teams are looking into your issue as a priority and we'll follow up as soon as we know more. Thanks for providing this information!

[@felixdd]

Senpai noticed!

[@Andreamom001]

What’s crazy is that Creators have to jump through ALL of those hoops just to get help. Tweeting and emailing and filling out forms that don’t work and linked in messaging and asking followers for ideas and making videos…

[@Baysha1000]

@@Andreamom001 sadly, this is how things are in all big corporations (I've worked at several, although none the size of Google). With the sheer number of people in the company, who each have their different specialisation, coordinating all of them so that issues get resolved gets pretty much impossible and it all becomes just a huge chaotic mess where an insane amount of issues slip through the cracks. Frustrating for a customer but also very frustrating for the employees who have absolutely no power over the system.

[@Pseudo___]

the kafkaesque tale continues

[@MartinJuric-ns6qf]

KZbin most like OP to be this willing to help. Because not once have i seen a comment like this before.

[@Sailsetters]

On The Plus Side! KZbin is still promoting your account, because I’ve never seen it or watched any of your videos before, but here you are; sent by the gods of KZbin!

[@roteirodememorias]

But whats really the point of promoting, since she is not getting any money from it? The only one gaining anything with the promotion of her channel is youtube itself..

[@Furuesain]

Alternative title, "Charming but slightly fatigued lady tries to draw blood from a stone"

[@p1rgit]

was just thinking that there is another meta-novel here. commented, using your proposed title. it is good! :D

[@Stinky.Stickleback]

Demonetized!!! Word 'blood' mentioned, that means you are a mu_rd_de_re_r and must be punished for all eternity.

[@krose6451]

"Charming but slightly fatigued lady" seems like it good be good fof merch

[@michaelmicek]

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[@jamesnoneyabizness5611]

Hey, at least it's not a _sword..._ ...she could be demonetized for that! 🤔😏😉😁

[@Ai-Gags]

KZbin IT team probably reply with, "TRY switching your channel off and then ON again...""

[@mudcrab3420]

"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action"

[@Mark-ki7ic]

Bearup , Jill Bearup

[@cmm5542]

I am definitely going to remember this.

[@moonkeele]

Goldfinger?

[@Grubnar]

@@moonkeele Indeed!

[@Nitro1000]

Cold War CIA quote

[@ryanlovin9748]

War of the algorithms. I’ve never seen one of your videos before, but this was promoted for me on KZbin’s first row of videos. Hope it gets sorted soon.

[@catsupchutney]

It's bots all the way down.

[@BushKayakersCampingAustralia]

same here .

[@brianjrichman]

Me too!

[@gregmark1688]

Same here. Weird of YT to promote a video reminding us of how much they suck, but far from the first time.

[@SumaSummarum]

Same. But happy to see that, your channel seems cool 😊

[@FrederickDunn]

Wow, if this can happen to an account/channel that's as large as yours. What hope is there for smaller channels that fall into the very same dark-hole of auto-closings? Thankfully, this has never happened to me, but it's stressing just to learn of the process you've experienced. A channel with half a million subscribers, headed by a very sharp content creator, oy vey, thank you for sharing your own personal horror story.

[@ginnyleedays]

So true

[@francoiswilliams]

Same happened to me, I got back in after 6 months through a very shady back door... YT is thoroughly medieval..

[@RichsMowersNBlowers]

What happens... took almost a year. Once you apply, you need to wait like 30 days to apply again. Like she said, they will not tell you why, I applied they said I for got something deny, wait 30 days apply, so I made sure I had what was missing...they said I reference a video, so tried again saying specific words. Then, he denied not enough information. Went on for almost a year. Guess what they still put ads.on my stuff, but I did not get paid. So that's what they do to little channels like mine.

[@francoiswilliams]

@RichsMowersNBlowers It's a witch hunt, medieval shit

[@JillBearup]

If you would like to buy me a coffee, or...ko-fi, during The Demonetisation Times, that's very kind! ko-fi.com/jillbearup Patreon: patreon.com/jillbearup Or you can buy my book! books2read.com/juststabmenow

[@benjaminbrewer2569]

Post this to Twix

[@bernadmanny]

I also pronounce it Co-fee.

[@Christian-jz3xt]

You have handled this with far more grace than we did. Continuing to share with those we know to try and get them to unass your adsense

[@ivansmith654]

KZbin is broken what is dying it is time to move somewhere else!

[@zachwillett5853]

This will seem out there, but there's a channel called the Jimquisition. They have talked regularly and at length about the nightmare that us KZbin. Sadly, they only publish new content to the site on Monday, but I have the feeling they'd love another chance to embarrass the platform.

[@LordJazzly]

'Your account has been disabled for reason: other/misc' Oh dear. I've worked in IT, and if an issue doesn't have an option on the drop-down box, that tends to mean 'this support ticket is going to be a learning experience'. Good call on being polite with the emails to the support people; I'd bet that at least one of them is having a bad day trying to sort it out. (Either that, or no-one's taken it on yet and they're quietly hoping it goes away - in which case politeness is still a good idea; people are less likely to go out of their way to help someone who's being rude to them)

[@arthurmoore9488]

Work on the web side. That "Wait a few days and try again," is probably code for "We've opened an internal ticket with the web team." My personal bet is the fix for this is going to involve a senior engineer with DB permissions. Given the trends in tech right now, Google might be a bit short on senior engineers who can actually fix the problem.

[@MissingRaptor]

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[@LynnHermione]

This is fked up. KZbin is corrupt an there is no reason one should be polite to corrupt people who are fking up w your livelihood

[@kenbrown2808]

I am suddenly remembering he old joke where the doctor says, "I have good news and bad news.... the good news is you're going to have a disease named after you."

[@BoredSquirell]

@@arthurmoore9488 and remember, this senior engineer needs to be in the correct department, with correct credentials, maybe even in a specific team in charge of one of ~500 microservices that make up youtube. If there even is anyone in charge of it. Big companies tend to quietly abandon maintenance on critical stuff due to turnover. There is always "that one service we're in charge of but nobody knows anything about". Source - working in a company like that

[@MyRusticTiny]

This experience sounds like a nightmare. Interestingly, this is the first video of yours that KZbin has ever put in front of my eyes, so I’m giving you a follow. I hope the issue is fixed soon! Good luck!

[@mullbinde83]

This happening in december, the month that usually has the highest ad revenue, is especially brutal...

[@olivinemage4233]

And highly suspicious. Like if youtube *coincidentally* started applying a very vague, shady new policy into their demonitization code, one that makes it very easy for innocent channels to have their ad revenue -stolen- revoked, during the SINGLE MOST PROFITABLE point in the year... Sounds more like upper management waved some dollar bills in front of IT's face, cried "make it happen, we've had too slow a quarter for the investors liking. Profit losses have to be made back somewhere. So just take it out of the creators pockets! It's not like those peasants can do anything."

[@LynnHermione]

Its probably on purpose. Yt is known to fknup people so they dont pay them

[@kuhljager2429]

My inner conspiracy nut would like to point out that when a creator is de-monetized , KZbin isn't, and does still show ads

[@wh44]

KZbin should have to pay back money owed, and then some for Jill's pain and so that they have an incentive to pull this crap less often.

[@iamworse]

​@@olivinemage4233 what are you correcting? Their comment is unedited and says the ads remain when demonetized.

[@simonfernandes6809]

Dystopian bureaucracy nightmare - Google and KZbin have mastered this idiocy.

[@0giwan]

The sort of policy-violation gaslighting should warrant legal action.

[@rheah7180]

Someone needs to get this in front of the Green Brothers! Surely they have a magic in with KZbin 😅

[@MissingRaptor]

If anyone has a megaphone to advocate for Jill, it's them 📣

[@fenfire90]

That was my first thought, too!

[@PMA65537]

@@MissingRaptor She wants the problem fixed; not be made ill and Australian.

[@laprimanerda7333]

++++

[@williwiebe]

These sort of situations are always so frustrating. You have a contractual relationship with a large entity that strictly enforces the contract so that you must uphold your end, but there is absolutely nothing you can personally do to hold them accountable.

[@brettmajeske3525]

It is times like this when I begin to understand why people turn to violence.

[@WhichDoctor1]

It's all about power dynamics. You need them because they are a significant, possibly only, source of income for you. They need you in the same way a builder needs a single grain of sand. They do need grains of sand to mix their cement, but if one falls on the floor then what is it to them. The only ways to even start to equalise that imbalance is if the individual gets the weight of government regulation behind them. But big tech is too new for governments to have even started trying to regulate them. Or getting enough other grains of sand involved to make the problem noticeable. Which is hard work and something not everyone has the resources to do, but i hope it succeeds in this case

[@crestdazoltral7705]

It would be funny to see how Alphabet felt if regulation turned the relation upside down e.g. make them either reinstate the accounts and triple the payout for the blocked duration or face each little producer in small claims court with an exponentially increasing penalty for each false positive they can't explain away in court (and they have to pay both sides time and legal costs). The personal liberty of executives and multi billion payouts are the only things that can force organisational change through the legal system. I guess we could also do nothing and wait while the problem gets worse and worse. At least until members of the public crowdsource randomised acts of capital punishment on the leadership of said organisations, but that would be crazy. Nobody could want that.

[@StonedtotheBones13]

​@@WhichDoctor1it's not new tho. Google is like 25 years old. So is KZbin. It's not too new, it's just that they're paying ppl off... Well politicians, not ppl like Jill apparently

[@ryanm7832]

Just like the US healthcare, justice, and employment law/employee protection systems.

[@clutchx3165]

What a nightmare. Every time I think about jumping into content creation, I'm reminded about the about the horrible tushy-pain that usually comes with it. What a cluster. Good luck; I hope it gets resolved soon.

[@thetruerift]

Commenting for the algo, and I agree with your pronunciation of "ko-fi"

[@kensmith5694]

@@meghalalwani1963 Thumbs upping for upping the thumbs. I have no doubt that google will be scraping these comments to help to train their air pump AI so forgive my while I wobble the framus.

[@k2k905]

Here in Australia, it's pronounced "be-er"

[@k2k905]

Also, another comment for the engagement stats

[@tedweird]

"The year of our Lord, Twenty-Twenty-Four" gave me a good chuckle

[@addangel]

why? isn’t it a fairly standard expression?

[@tedweird]

@addangel eh, it's memetic more than standard, but more to the point I wasn't expecting it

[@addangel]

@ got it

[@DarkGob]

it's ironic given that this situation (and that it has happened to so many others) proves either that god doesn't exist or did exist but is dead

[@TomGerritsen-o9r]

Seeing her situation, she can need some "divine" intervention.

[@TheElegantVillain]

You get a live chat, dang. They took my channel down like 6 months ago with no explanation and it took me 4 hours to figure out how to even contact them to appeal 😂😂😂

[@robenglish7475]

You are a rockstar, Jill. Wishing the very best for you in the new year.

[@critterfritter69]

I'm sharing this on Twitter. It will help if this dumpster fire trends on that dumpster fire.

[@eolhinforest7736]

Dumpster fire recursion leads to Fireball!

[@gregoryvn3]

Fireball fixes everything! The wizard said so!

[@MinorZero]

Wonderful spell, Fireball - Fizban

[@emmakane6848]

Twitter downgrades links now (Hank green has a video demonstrating this), so the best you can probably do is share her existing tweets about this mess.

[@AmandaTroutman]

Should we share on Bluesky too?

[@Woods4trees]

This is very informative. Thank you. As someone who is looking at jumping into YT videos (monetization or not), it's good to hear the bad and good. Good luck!

[@nocturnusrg5389]

This made me remember when my son turned 8 years old and the social security system showed that he was 18 and he lost his family allowance and it took me 3 years and dozens of letters to be able to solve the matter and prove his age and now when I go to the social security website in my son page appears a salary that he supposedly received in 1980 but he was born in 1993. And of course they didn't pay the 3 years of missing benefits.

[@fredericapanon207]

@nocturnusrg5389, That makes me wonder if another person has the same social security number. I have had three social insurance numbers: the first one was invalid and shared with another person, the second one was mis-printed and also invalid, the third one is the one I am currently using.

[@fredericapanon207]

@nocturnusrg5389, in Canada, an arithmetic algorithm performed on the digits of the social insurance number must get a certain result to be valid.

[@TheInfintyithGoofball]

WHAT THE- HOW IN THE WORLD DID THAT HAPPEN?!

[@brianj.841]

Anti-social no-security is infamous for delay, deny, do-nothing.

[@Catladybug]

But wouldn't a birth certificate prove he 8 etc? Wow.

[@QALibrary]

I was expecting a livestream! Go get them Jill - you are the one with the sharp pointy things!

[@CanadianCookinginUSA_Eh]

oh my goodness!! I thought I was having a bad day, er week! 🙏🙏 Prayers sent that your situation is resolved Godspeed

[@Gretchen_G]

"Please advise on how to appeal the fact that I cannot appeal." 😱😵‍💫

[@DrCruel]

This is a job for Harry Tuttle.

[@aaftiyoDkcdicurak]

Don't worry we will investigate ourselves🫤

[@wombatillo]

And typically youtube won't even tell you your exact offense. Very transparent and equitable? /s

[@Mic_Glow]

top kek

[@formes2388]

@@wombatillo If you want a fair system: You are clear, and transparent. If you want to push a particular idea or set of ideologies: Transparency is your enemy - fairness is not something you want to actually ensure exists, instead, you want the illusion of such. Of course there are other factors - such as, with any sort of wide scale autonomous system you do NOT want there to be rapid A-B testing abilities. However, there are ways to handle this and still provide the information when necessary to fix the issue. And for long standing channels - that should be the default.

[@caroline..0505]

Oh the joys of Google. I used to work on Adwords and every time something got flagged it was a nightmare trying to sort it out. Thankfully we got hold of a number for the call centre and got used to asking for the right people to get results, but I feel your pain with the constant back and forth. Hope it gets sorted soon x

[@trinasthings]

Omg what a nightmare. You’re very patient. Sorry you went through this.

[@Inlelendri]

Whether it's anything official or just regular company bull, every time something like this happens, I am always reminded of the Asterix bit with "The Place That Sends You Mad" (been through it too often myself), and it makes me feel if not better then at least not as bad. Everything crossed for you, Jill, I'll see what I can find in terms of money for ko-fi buying

[@kommentierenbiszudenohren3869]

Hehe. Yes the one with the Form "A38"

[@dado__]

There's an entire Douglas Adams text adventure called Bureaucracy that uses blood pressure as health (too high = aneurysm = game over). I think Jill might be playing it.

[@ChitsandCats]

Yes, I had to think of Asterix as well.

[@burgundian777]

Sounds like a job for Department of Redundancy Department.

[@sffortytwo]

AKA "The DRD Department"

[@MissingRaptor]

😂😂😂

[@manythingslefttobuild]

REDUNDANT REDUNDANCY SIR!!!

[@TheBoldDeciever]

This is the longest explanation of the term "Kafkaesque" I've heard this week.

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

*_"This sort of thing has cropped up before, and it has always been due to human error."_* - 2OO1: A SPACE ODYSSEY [1968]

[@yewtewbstew547]

I think your other comment about your comments getting deleted got deleted lol. I replied to it, but then when I went to check if my comment posted, yours was gone along with my reply.

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

​@@yewtewbstew547>>> I am NOT surprised...🤦‍♂️

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

​@@yewtewbstew547>>> I am totally NOT SURPRISED. Thanks for replying...👍

[@simonburling3762]

Don't you mean AI not human.

[@kuhljager2429]

​@simonburling3762 it's not the AI's fault, it's the fault of the human that turned on the AI

[@jester98125]

You do make Demonetization a gripping tale. I do hope everything works out. Keep up the fight.

[@Rach-Cooking]

I"m 3+ years on KZbin and have not reached 4 k watch time, yet I’m still here. Keep going, guys, don’t give up! Best wishes to all the small channels out Let’s go!

[@BrackishBrit]

KZbin, fix this. #FreeJill

[@littleboylost1o1]

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[@LiveFreeOrDieDH]

No justice, no cheese!

[@bunnywar]

They want to train ai on yt videos so that they can replace youtubers to not pay them. Asking them to fix something they don't want fixed is pointless

[@glynnetolar4423]

I think you may be asking, KZbin, give a $h!t for once. Unlikely.

[@Dracinard]

Might be worth contacting the partner manager again by LinkedIn, specifically to say the creator support team has contacted them to tell them to make an internal appeal. Then asking them what they're going to do so you can get a response and prove they've seen it. I think while being polite and understanding in conversations is always important and useful, you're now past the point where you can afford to be polite and understanding in *how* you contact people. You have effectively been fired for no reason and your manager is ghosting you - you are well within your rights to start kicking down doors, and if LinkedIn gets responses then LinkedIn is your new best friend, even if it seems rude to badger somebody through that. Remember, shy bairns get nowt. Besides that, good luck, and I hope this Kafkaesque nightmare relents soon!

[@StonedtotheBones13]

Yeah, like maybe it's not within their purview, but it seems really fucking rude to me to just ignore someone without any explanation

[@benwagner5089]

It's getting to the point that you have to find the mother of your partner manager on Facebook, telling her how her child isn't doing their job and you haven't been paid in weeks.

[@YeOldeTraveller]

One can remain polite while being insistent, particularly online.

[@Shadowfire364]

@@benwagner5089 On one hand, that's probably crossing a line. On the other hand, that is a hilarious idea and sadly is probably one of the only things that would actually work at this point.

[@KarMa-ws3ll]

To be honest, contacting employees of a company privately, espsecially repeteadly, is crossing a line especially since companies like this usually have a policy in place preventing them from communicating business topics via private social media channels.Its very well possible that said employee simply is not allowed to answer her.

[@denamtyler]

sorry about your nightmare! hope it's fixed FAST!

[@stephengray1344]

This is the kind of thing where getting your MP involved might be able to speed things along. There are lots of instances where receiving a letter from an MP's Parliamentary office will suddenly lead a company that they can actually fix the problem quickly and easily, Plus it slightly raises the chances of introducing regulation to protect creators based in the UK from things like this. It might not work (some MPs are really good at helping constituents with this kind of problem, others are really bad at it). But it's definitely an additional thing to try.

[@RichWoods23]

"others are really bad at it" Is this another way of saying that if you live in Clacton you're screwed?

[@NinjaWLOG]

@@RichWoods23 Common Clacton L.

[@jaelwyn]

Speaking as one of the folks who gets called in when the executives actually care (not for Google, but we exist in any sufficiently large company): Yes. This. Or in the US, possibly one of the "help me fix it" media crews. Executives are human and will put off as lower priority anything that does not put the fear of lost money into them -- even the nice enough ones. I guarantee you that there is at least one expert there who can follow this no matter how weird it may be under the hood, the trick is getting someone important enough to assign their time to point them at this problem rather than some other.

[@alfje5492]

Why did my mind immediately go to Clacton as well... But fear not, Sleazebaggano is now planning to buy the next UK election, so everything will be hunky-dory very soon!

[@stephengray1344]

@@RichWoods23 That depends on whether Farage is using Reform's Parliamentary funding to pay people to do the casework part of the job for him. In addition to the expenses that all MPs get to fund their offices, there's something called Short money which goes to opposition parties based on their number of MPs and share of the vote at the last election (government MPs don't get it because they have the civil service working for them). Because Reform got such a high vote relative to their number of seats they have far more money to fund their Parliamentary and constituency offices. They, like the Greens, actually got the maximum amount of Short money for their number of MPs. So the offices for the MPs from both of those parties are better funded than those for any other party.

[@CanadisX]

Just insane. Reminds me of the time I went full circle in an office as everyone was directing me to another person ("not my jurisdiction, but ask person z"), ending with the first one I asked. After very politely pointing out that SOMEONE must be responsible, they finally scrambled and found an entirely different person which then could resolve the issue. Took quite some time

[@nairbvel]

Some years back, when my folks were overseas (Dad was in the US Foreign Service), they were having a problem with the IRS. They finally faxed me all the papers and asked me to see if I could help at this end. I walked into the local IRS office and after a long wait was able to talk with an obviously exhausted and disinterested guy about my age. I explained the problem, he skimmed over the papers for about 15 seconds and said out loud, "Oh, f*k, I don't believe them... Please wait a moment, sir." He disappeared into the back and about 2 minutes later came out, gave me back my papers plus one page of printed gobbeldygook and told me (verbatim): "Those idiots in Philadelphia don't know their a*s from their elbow, this should take care of the problem, fax this page back to your parents so they know it's fixed, thanks for being patient with me." I gave him a big thank-you and shook his hand and my folks' problem magically disappeared. It just takes one idiot to screw things up... but if you find the one decent human being hidden within the cogs of the machine, things will probably work out OK.

[@heatherwolmarans8287]

You'll love this - I was offered 2 coaching sessions with our contracted life skills coach "to manage my anxiety levels around other people not doing their jobs". I brain-froze for a nano-second, then asked why the organisation wouldn't rather invest the time and money into ensuring that Other. People. Are. Doing. Their. Jobs. Properly?

[@Pops1970]

So you have to go on a different platform to get in touch with customer service. Makes perfect sense

[@azrielwest2810]

It’s like taxes. They know what you owe, they have all the information, but god forbid they just tell you - and if you can’t figure it out correctly, you will absolutely be punished i. various mind numbing ways and be kept in a constant loop of “try this, oh that didn’t work? Oh nooo!” Rinse and repeat. I’m so sorry Jill, you have our support! *Edit: American taxes. I don’t want to generalize, there are some very informative comments about other countries that don’t make the process so exhausting!

[@MaryLuCrafts]

Literally what I was thinking!

[@ninino86]

In Sweden, they send you a detailed letter of your taxes with a total at the bottom. And if everything is correct, they just subtract your taxes automatically. Seriously, all we have to do if things are correct is send a short text message...

[@azrielwest2810]

@ Well, that’s because Sweden actually likes when things work - and hasn’t let tax agencies lobby to make taxes more and more difficult so they can “encourage” people to use their services instead of just doing it themselves. It’s ridiculous here. As an aside, Sweden really does seem lovely. Hello from the states!

[@dancedancelauren]

​@ninino86 It sounds like Sweden doesn't have tax lobbiests that fight tooth and nail to prevent simplifying the tax code or to keep large tax accounting tool companies in business.

[@helgelk]

@@dancedancelauren Norwegian here, our situation is the same as Sweden's, and if you do have a problem, their helpline is actually helpful, because it's in their best interest that people pay their taxes. I think this is very much to the point of what's going on with KZbin - individual creators matter very little to them, unless you're MrBeast or something. Add to that the fact that you don't really have any alternative platforms with the same reach, and the fact that no one's mandating that they have good service, and you'll end up with an entity that's REALLY disincentivised from doing anything other that let you stew in your own juices while they take your money. I think Jill is doing the only sensible thing here, which is incentivising them to fix her problem so she'll stop shaming them.

[@tojatotal]

I can't help you, but I enjoy your rant so much! I hope someday this videos will generate a lot of ad income! 😂

[@stephenlee5929]

Same here.

[@FunLearningForKids-i8i]

Thanks for sharing, this is some crucial information. Need all the support and information. Thanks again.

[@RedPandaKT]

Props to you for staying polite with the support staff, and good luck getting this sorted out. I'd say keep talking to your manager through Linkedin, if that's what gets results (or at least responses) then that's just what you have to do

[@chazincharge]

This is mind-blowingly frustrating. Props for being patient and not getting angry with YT's support staff since we all know they also have no control over this. Hopefully this all works out soon!

[@Blazonjewellery]

OMG the frustration!!! Leaving a comment to help you (and hopefully the rest of us) out a bit.🤞

[@varno]

Sadly this appears to be the way with google. The opacity is absolutely intentional, and broadspread through the tech industry, and while it has some reasons, we really do need systematic change which will require recourse to something more than their whim.

[@dclark142002]

I.e., it's time to get the lawyers involved.

[@varno]

@dclark142002 actually no, that is the worst thing she could do right now. It means talk to your representative, and organise with other creators and influencers for systemic regulation and change.

[@fiddlerjack]

Well that's not very supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

[@stuggaroy]

Well thats sounds precocious!

[@m0us5avi]

@@stuggaroy You know you can say it backwards, which is Dociousaliexpisticfragicalirupus. But that's going a bit too far, don't you think?

[@cmm5542]

​@@m0us5aviIndubitable!

[@fleetcenturion]

You sound like a clever gent. Buy you tea? 😁

[@geoffroi-le-Hook]

super cali= extremely beautiful fragilistic = delicate expiali = atoning for docious = able to be educated

[@tabitas.2719]

Random comment (to hopefully bring a smile to someone's face - and FOR THE ALGORITHM :D): My toddler was just so amused/entertained by your video, dear Jill, that they giggled at you talking, then waved - repeatedly - and finally clapped for you in the end.

[@m0us5avi]

Merry Christmas! May things get better soon! Till then, know we love you and will be here to support however we can.

[@michaelkarnerfors9545]

I am so going to hell, for giggling like crazy at this presentation. Seriously Jill, you could make an excellent stand-up comedy routine out of this whole nightmare. You have that deadpan-in-the-face-of-abject-absurdity thing down pat. Best of luck, with lots of wishes for that the material for this potential comedy routine dries out within the upcoming few hours.

[@HermesIII]

Your channel is wonderful, Do NOT give up!!

[@SugarSpice07]

Today I learned that my favorite youtuber plays D&D! The more things I learn about you, the more I like you. I wish I had some way to support you, but unfortunately I'm a broke teen with no social media aside from KZbin and Pinterest. All I can say is I'll be praying for this to all be resolved as quickly and painlessly as possible

[@cg1370]

Have you considered morphing into a giant anthropomorphic insect, get a glass of wine, eat some cheese, and muse on the futility of the human condition?

[@null6634]

That is the world we are turning into. The Trial is more apt, but I get your point. I was once hauled into HR. I did or said something that offended someone in the past six months. I was not given any more information, but told not to do it again.

[@lydiasteinebendiksen4269]

Kafka?

[@MissingRaptor]

It is all becoming very Kafka-esque, is it not?

[@geoffroi-le-Hook]

She said ko-fi, not kaf-ka

[@JasonCobill]

Came here for the Kafka reference. :) After a protracted trial and nonsensical bureaucratic nightmare, without ever learning the charges, Jill's adsense account was taken out to a quarry and put down "Like a dog!" Good luck navigating the labyrinth Jill!

[@Rohndogg1]

"Remember that one, it will be stupid in a moment." That is such a golden line and I'm stealing it for later use

[@riverground]

Glad to see u are still smiling ☺. Wish u well

[@MissTamTamXD]

I wouldn't even have been able to contact the partner manager in all these different ways, like you did. I have neither a twix nor a linkedin account. The fact that you need all these, just so you can contact someone, who is supposedly able to help you, is ridiculous... Wishing you luck, Jill.

[@adamwoodings5865]

Hold up, did I hear that right? The only way to get a response from the KZbin team, actual people not just auto reply emails, is to contact them on other competing platforms?

[@charliedannyshaw5058]

I hope the rest of your December is more peaceful than the beginning and this is fixed shortly!

[@Flytrap]

When I was in Tech Support, I got called into my manager's cube to be tolf, "You did something and got a complaint." "OK, what did I do?" "I can't tell you that.." "OK, who complained?" "I can't tell you that. But you need to not do this again." I turned around and walked out of that waste of time. The manager tried to write me up for that; the upper level manager told her to piss off and quite wasting their time. That manager got reassigned shortly after and I got a raise. So I do feel your pain; arguing with ID10Ts can ruin your sleep. I hope this gets resolved quickly. I really enjoy this channel.

[@kevinfelton689]

You have been accused by an unspecified person of having committed an unspecified infraction of an unspecified policy at an unspecified date and time. You are hereby ordered to never again repeat this unspecified behavior.

[@sourisvoleur4854]

Sounds like the problems I have with Facebook being an admin in a group. One of your group members just posted a naughty. Okay, what did they post? Can't show you. Who was it? Can't tell you. What rule did they break? Can't tell you. Then how the he11 am I supposed to prevent it from happening again? That's a "you" problem. Just don't let it happen again.

[@andreashabermas7964]

"That manager got reassigned shortly after and I got a raise." in corporate environments usually means the manager got the bigger raise. Peter principle.

[@BaddeJimme]

@@andreashabermas7964 That's not what the Peter Principle is. The Peter Principle is the observation that if people are promoted for doing a job well, they will spend a relatively small fraction of their careers doing something they are good at then eventually find themselves doing something they are not good at and will languish for the rest of their careers in that position.

[@Tortoise-Ridge]

Im so sorry you are going thru this. I just now found you. Praying for a solution to your problem

[@DaHaiZhu]

This all just sounds like Chat Bots at Google trying to talk to each other...and failing (expectedly) miserably

[@Hello_its_Tarky]

I find it utterly baffling (yet am not surprised) that your channel, with over half a million subscribers, can be demonetised by KZbin at the drop of a hat without them providing a clearly and concisely stated reason. ALSO that they can’t apparently be bothered to try to fast track a problem for someone who must (surely?) be well up in the higher tiers of creators. “Too big to care”, a mantra for too many corporations. Hope this gets resolved swiftly.

[@eos_aurora]

Not to be that guy, but in this day and age in KZbin, 500k is nothing. There are literally tens thousands of creators with about 500k subs. This is, of course, unacceptable and highly unfortunate for Jill. But she is nowhere even close to high priority for KZbin as a platform.

[@Daemonworks]

As with many of youtube's issues (and any other similarly large company) it'll keep happening until such time as someplace like the EU decides they have some actual legal obligations to do better, or it otherwise impacts their bottom line. And then they'll still just do the quickest and laziest version of whatever brings them into compliance, and ignore whatever problems that generates until the same happens again. At the end of the day, youtube's customers are the advertisers: as long as they're happy the suits don't give a damn about either the creators or the viewers. Which is also why public shaming is one of the only ways to get something done... potential advertisers can see those complaints.

[@doomcookies]

I suspect that most of youtubes systems are automated and opaque, meaning that in order to find out why the system has done something and reverse it requires a deep dive by an expert who knows how the system works. I also suspect that these experts are few and far between.

[@jomialsipi]

@@doomcookies Probably by AIs, so that there is no way to actually know why it did anything.

[@czinn327]

This would be unacceptable for a channel with five subscribers. KZbin has obligations and this behavior is evil. I mean I know Google changed their slogan from "don't be evil" to "MWAAAHAHAHHAHAAAAAA decades ago but it's still, you know, wtaf

[@frosttouched1997]

What an absolute nightmare - I truly hope this is somehow sorted out very soon. I fell in love with your style when I spotted a video in my feed called 'Get it? Got it! Good!' that made me go out and buy an epically hilarious movie. Hopefully KZbin gets you re-monetized very very soon so your amazing content can continue

[@asafupps]

You’re incredible, Jill, God Bless!

[@paulungar6001]

I had my Adsense suspended without warning about 15 years ago. It ended up killing all revenue from my new website and channel tanking it completely. It was an error on Google's side, but the account remains disabled (regardless of appeals). I am glad you are able to get support from your community at least some people at the company. I hope it gets resolved soon.

[@Calendyr]

I have a similar issue with Facebook. They disabled my account for no reason and I cannot get anyone to fix it. I am now convinced that the job requirement to be hired at Meta is to have an IQ under 40. Seems youtube uses the same job requirements.

[@wvngamer1516]

Toutube hates normal people who make normal content. If it was some crazy video about something stupid it would be "trending"

[@ProbablyPassionate]

On the 8th day of Christmas the KZbin gave to me..... More financial anxiety

[@kithric4878]

This all sounds extremely frustrating! I fear these things will be increasingly common as AI is used in more and more places. Here's a comment to feed the algorithm and hopefully boost the video! I hope this gets resolved quickly

[@rasnac]

Jill, this might influence you to write a new novel, a Kafaka-esque nightmare about a KZbinr whose account is disabled and when she start to investigate, things start to get more and more absurd and surreal, and finaly it is revealed that Google itself is a Lovecraftian Eldritch Entity that feeds on the sanity of its users by slowly turning them insane with bots and bureucracy. But she kills the entity with the sword concealed in her dress... It would definitely be a bestseller. 😊

[@PABadger13]

I'd read it.

[@thebreckify]

Sign me up for a copy!

[@kevinfelton689]

It wouldn't work because the only villain would be a computer, so there's no chance for a love interest.

[@jamesgardner2101]

@@kevinfelton689 Have you seen the Internet lately?

[@ladosis5596]

I'm on board

[@cheshirehancock4752]

This channel has made my writing significantly better, if I had some spare I'd donate money but I don't so I'm glad other people can and have. It sucks that KZbin can just do this kind of thing to good creators and give you the run-around like this. I wonder if KZbinrs could unionize or something...

[@mitchmangles]

if it is any consolation the algorithm sent me here for the very first time. You are funny as hell. I dont even know what you are talking about but I subscribed so you gained a sub. Sorry you dont get the ad rev. from me this month but I will stay - for whatever the in world your channel is even about - who in the world even knows. Will be a wild ride but you seem like a cool chick. From Down Under.

[@lynnock8003]

Ditto! Also subbed. Plan to find out what you're about now YT has let me know about you. Not the first story of this kind and it is putting me off starting my own channel. Goid luck 😊

[@karituurihalme1007]

10:06 This is the "comment in support".

[@littleboylost1o1]

+

[@andrewshaughnessy5828]

Anyone else notice that by 3:40 Jill is looking increasingly like Rosamund as she reaches for yet another dagger?🗡

[@p1rgit]

this all story reminded me of Rosamund's! :D

[@cyberpunkdreams]

They do know what the "violation" is. They just won't say.

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

When *_"Fighting City Hall"_* meets *HAL-9000.* 🙄🤦‍♂️

[@hannahwoodhams6619]

I certainly hope that they issuse some kind of remuneration for your distress and their general incompetence. Probably not, but I hope so! Praying for you Jill

[@CamsCampbell]

I hadn't seen your channel before so the algorithm is doing something. I'd like to go and watch more of your videos now, but feel that I should really wait until you're back up and running again. I subbed anyway. Glad to make your acquaintance and hope you get it fixed soon. I had a similar débâcle with my energy provider on 2021 and had to live with no heating in December for nearly two weeks, all for the want of a plastic key.

[@noahblack914]

I am somehow shocked and also not shocked that this is still an issue. KZbin sucks

[@CringePanda]

This is worse than a nightmare, because a nightmare is something you can wake up from.

[@clarinetsaxist]

I think my birthday wish this year is that this, and things like this, never happen to my channel!

[@osgrim7078]

Modern day Jarndyce vs. Jarndyce. Hope it resolves in time for Christmas.

[@timothywarrick7136]

I should say the Barnacles at the Circumlocution. Office

[@ein-veh2365]

Can confirm that the inside of a massive organization is just as frustrating on the inside as on the outside (I don't work for Google but I do work for a large tech company and routinely run into "this is broken how do I fix it? X doesn't work" "Have you tried doing X?") I'm sorry you're dealing with this.

[@PMA65537]

I worked with a guy who wrote manuals for nuclear power stations and once in a while they had a test to find the cases where the flowchart told them to do X.

[@bodan1196]

So the inside of a massive organisation, is similar to a living organism, where the inside is very confusing and icky? ;-)

[@chrisrobson8540]

"I've double checked with our tools"......at least they have the right description for their staff🤣🤣🤣

[@laraslurkingagain1492]

Merry Christmas Jill

[@egmccann]

Ugh, this is ridiculous. (And usually is the other times I hear about stuff like this.) Best I can say is good luck and have the best Christmas you can.

[@mrentertainer47]

Absolute height of 'laid back acceptance' of KZbins contempt for their users. Well done and I hope all gets back to normal soon!

[@DTension]

I semi-feel your pain because the fact that this video ended with no actual ending is maddening. My deepest sympathy.

[@_jared]

I am so sorry this is happening, and I really hope it gets resolved soon. Dealing with KZbin and Google support is always a nightmare.

[@FlibbleBeck]

It's almost, as though centralised singular entities trying to manage millions of creators across thousands of cultures, legal processes and intuitions through a single spot in the US is not the best way of doing things.

[@jpkalishek4586]

They've started painting over the "Don't Be Evil" sign, but stopped at "Don't" . . . Also, anyone else suddenly getting black text on a black background in the comment box? This started the other day. I've also not found how to turn off the dark theme.

[@jpkalishek4586]

oh, the theme selection reappeared this time. It was changed from Dark, to Device.

[@Ludvagn]

I've had that problem for a while (maybe a month or two), however only on the phone app for some reason. It seems to either only be on certain videos or it depends on how/when I open the app.

[@anarionelendili8961]

Yes, I noticed it like yesterday or maybe it was the weekend. I normally prefer Dark Theme, but I had to switch to Light Theme in order to see what I am writing in the comments.

[@88porpoise]

No, they fixed the punctuation. It was supposed to be "Don't, be evil"

[@arthurmoore9488]

@@Ludvagn KZbin does A/B testing. We've all had the joys of broken features, because they use it as an excuse to QA in prod.

[@danjohnston9037]

Hoping that " Internal " Review means it actually involves humans and that they actually get around to it in their plodding fashion ( Did your D&D Group get to see the Unicorn Sanctuary ? )

[@JillBearup]

We did! There were baby ones and rainbows and everything! We then, predictably, caused chaos. Also apparently my character is involved in a love triangle now because my DM thinks he’s funny. (He is, to be fair, very funny)

[@danjohnston9037]

@@JillBearup 😃😃Yea !

[@outdoorstudios2022]

Hello there, sorry you have to go through something like this. Good Luck!

[@hannahnohlgren989]

Aaah yes. Classic KZbin. 😊 The Saga we did not need but KZbin made sure came into existence. 🎉

[@flabreque]

One of the reasons why no one can tell you why your account is to prevent Bot runners and spammers from figuring out how they were caught. The other reason is that SkyNet is now sentient and self-aware and since you are explaining what makes effective armour, they see you as a threat. (This could also explain why Shad from Shadiversity is having problems with the Algorithm!)

[@Candlemancer]

The humans can't help because the algorithms have had complete control of KZbin for a decade and no one knows how to stop them.

[@olivinemage4233]

Idk, pretty sure there are much more legitimate reasons the algorithm no longer favors Shad specifically. Jill has literally done nothing to violate youtube guidelines. Shad however... 😬

[@GentlemansCombatives]

Shads videos aren't not being watched because of the algorithm, they're not being watched because he appears to have gone insane

[@betterl8thannvr]

I, too, have never seen your videos before but the algorithm chose this as the first. Interacting to feed the algorithm.

[@raskolnikov10]

Amen...

[@hulmhochberg8129]

Jill is funny, you wont regret watching her!😂 We have fantasy armor, stage combat and cheese.😂

[@jamesbullo]

Feed me Seymour!

[@GeofCates8075]

Me four

[@patrickhayes3099]

Me 5

[@Lori0Tas]

Have you tried writing them in futhark (the runic alphabet)? Great for writing Sagas. Couldn't hurt.⚔

[@eolhinforest7736]

Better yet, use the futhark alphabet, but alternate sentences between Klingonese and Quenya. Then you can slip in curses like "If you have the power to actually do anything about this, but refuse to, may you step on Legos every day when you arise." They will have given up before they figure out that is what it says anyway.

[@Milknife]

"Nobody knows" Welcome to 'Soft Computing'.

[@jeffreydalrymple4491]

This is the problem with KZbin, Google, Facebook and the tech giants who hold monopolies, they are impossible to communicate with by design. Had the same thing happen with Google. They need to start being held accountable.