325: Haolongood Argentinosaurus Blue Part 2

[@thrallingFRglory]

I absolutely adore your scientific expositions and size comparisons! Thank you for yet another excellent video. By a stroke of luck, I have recently acquired the HLG Alamosaurus, Mamenchisaurus and the Apatosaurus. My inner collector would like to also acquire the new Giant as well but the more rational part of my brain thinks it would be better to spend that money on more well-known species such as PNSO or HLG Camarsaurus, Rebor or Eofauna's Diplodocus, W-Dragon's Giraffatitan, Nanmu Brachisaur or even HLG's stunning selection of smaller sauropods such as Amargasaurus and Dicraesaurus

[@DinosDragons]

You are most welcome! I enjoy talking about sauropods, my favourite dinosaur group! This is really an interesting decision. If your really love sauropods and especially titanosaurs and especially the big two (Argentinosaurus or Patagotitan) this one has to be considered in case it gets sold out in the future. But if you are starting a collection and you really like a nice representation then the money for the model (not to mention the insane shipping cost) would be better spent on a nice representative from each major clade. However, in addition to the money, there is also the consideration of shelf space and weight. If you have limited space, this will easily occupy the footprint of 2 or 3 other dinosaurs. And importantly, if you don't have a strong shelf, you have to wonder how safe it is to put with other dinosaurs if your preference is to have them together rather than scattered all about.

[@nonono-f6y]

Surprised there wasn't a comparison with the Mapusaurus given they were contemporaneous

[@DinosDragons]

I had to limit to mainly sauropods as the video was way too long. Many minutes ended up on the cutting room floor 😭

[@sumanmajumder459]

I want haolonggood to continue making such gigantic breathtaking sauropods ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@DinosDragons]

All of us sauropod lovers!

[@elizabethpendleton2401]

Ah my goodness! What a wonderful sight for a dismal, murky November. Mine is ordered with my local supplier, so will take ages to get here. Like many others, I've changed my mind often about which colour but I think I'm going to stay with the purple. And I'm excited to have the Huayangosaurus coming too. P.S. My husband was (in a joking manner) distinctly shocked to hear you swear in Pt 1! He thought you were a very correct and well mannered young man! He agreed with me that the cause was more than sufficient though. A few years ago I could never conceive such figures would be available. The Huanghetitan seemed miraculous when I acquired it (with some difficulty) - sauropod heaven has indeed arrived.

[@DinosDragons]

Lol this is going to be the first and the last time! As you both can probably guess, I don't like swearing and I don't give in to it often 🤣 There would be a lot more swearing I dropped this on my foot! Be careful with it when it arrives. The total weight will be 8kg (17.6lb)! Choosing the colour was a real vexing experience to be honest, because what looked like a surefire choice in one picture, changed to something else in another. I actually ordered the purple originally, because of the photos on the beach. Then the carpark ones came out, and I was undecided between that and the brown. And finally the one on that production line came out, and with those orange streaks which I somehow failed to see, I was all over the place again. Finally decided on this, which was ironically the very first model I dismissed from my choices, when the inhand images dropped on Chinese social media. But HLG has a way of always delivering in hand models that look better than the original leaked and blurry photos, so I'd be keen to hear your opinion of the purple when you get it! 😀😀

[@elizabethpendleton2401]

@@DinosDragons if I haven't changed my mind again at the last minute, of course I shall. I too am looking at those orange streaks.

[@bbag1550]

​@DinosDragons I got one of the purple ones and I can confidently say it is the best paint job I've ever seen on a dinosaur model. It us custom figure level good. Not just the execution but the choices made - it is obvious they drew inspiration from real animals especially in this case the galapagos marine iguana with a twist and it works so well. If they put this kind of effort into the limited variations they do I'll be always aiming for those from now on, I think the purple model was 150-200 copies if not less.

[@elizabethpendleton2401]

@@bbag1550 thank you for this. That's really helpful.

[@thomasmonroe7947]

Great wrap up to part one. I, too, was wondering as to how far out on the limb HLG was going given that this will be averaging $300-350 for U.S. buyers. Chiselers on eBay are already looking to get $530.00. That’s usually the case, though, with the pirates on the secondary markets. I hope HLG makes back their expenses and more. Would like to see them continue producing these figures that keep improving. As before, two of the color variations caught my eye so I will be clearing a HUGE swath of shelf space for these puppies. Speaking of which, they appear big enough to legitimately name. Thanks again. Superior work!

[@DinosDragons]

$530? They must be mad. Sadly, eBay is a wretched hive of scum and villainy, and scalpers are some of the lowest of the low. If I were in the States, I would much rather give my money to Lanatimeshop, who at least are honest, quick to post inhand photos on their product pages, and have a good track record of delivery to Western customers. I would highly, strongly, suggest that not only do you clear SPACE for these, you have to make sure they will take the WEIGHT. These are each 4.8kg that will be putting pressure through a relatively small surface area, and your typical IKEA shelves are not going to last long.

[@linogroff841]

Sapete cosa volevo fare adesso? Conservare tutti i video riguardanti i modelli 1:35. Per pensare a nuovi racconti e proseguire con interessante energia,vedendo le novità.

[@DinosDragons]

Thank you for your comment! Now is the best time to be collecting 1:35 I think, with both HLG and PNSO giving us amazing animals more or less in that scale! 😁

[@turtlesoup8134]

Finally received my green argentinosaurus. The color is not green at all, its more of a grey with orange brown base. A slight hint of dark green on some parts but its really minor. Overall looks quite natural but its not as good as PNSO paint application. The bonus huayangosaurus is unexpectedly impressive. The detailing on such a small dinosaur + the color is definitely a nice surprise for me.

[@DinosDragons]

Yikes! Are you disappointed? It's strange though, I saw another 视频 with a Chinese collector and he was showing in dark lighting, it did look a bit green. I really wanted that green that I saw on the beach because it looked like the kind of green I like, like on the Chasmosaurus and Edmontosaurus. So it's not like that eh. Well I never thought I'd say it, but it seems like the 129 which I rejected immediately seems better and better! Let's wait to see how the 130 brown looks.

[@turtlesoup8134]

@@DinosDragons The model also suffer from poor air brushing technique I see very often in HLG model. They only drybrush in one direction and did not do it in multiple direction. This means that the color only shows up at the direction it is sprayed at and when viewed in a different direction, only the base color shows up due to the rough surface of the skin. PNSO model does not have this problem. My HLG apatosaurus has this problem and it distract my eyes so much that I spent another 300RMB to repaint it properly.

[@thomaswagner1135]

@@turtlesoup8134 My feeling is that Haolonggood does part of the painting using painting machines. For example, on the Camarasaurus you see some color transitions which appear razor sharp. If painted manually, this would never be so sharp. I did get some of my Haolonggood figures repainted by Dinosaur Models Artworks. One of my two Alamosaurus was repainted in the style of the PNSO Alamosaurus so they make a nice pair and Apatosaurus was repainted in the style of the Sideshow Apatosaurus. It is amazing though how much details of the sculpt come out on these figures when they are being repainted by a professional.

[@turtlesoup8134]

@@thomaswagner1135 yes, that is what I thought as well because I make products with those painting machines too. The HLG mamenchiosaurus and camarasaurus is definitely machine painted. I actually like the machine painted one better than the hand painted ones using air brush for HLG products. PNSO painting is on another level. I hope HLG can catch up, but that would mean the price will increase as well (which i don't mind).

[@GustaHeavy]

i think this might be my favorite video of yours! So many data, so many beautiful and awesome sauropdos model, again, thanks, as ever!

[@DinosDragons]

Thank you very much! My favourite superclade is the sauropods, so there's definitely plenty to say 🤣🤣

[@marcoponce85]

Excellent review. Thanks!

[@DinosDragons]

Thank you very much for your kind words!

[@NetheriteGuy14-vs7ne]

I would have liked to have seen this figure next to the contemporaneous Mapusaurus and Meraxes. They would obviously be dwarfed by it.

[@DinosDragons]

Sadly, I had to cut out a lot of footage to keep the length civilized 🤣

[@michaelkawano1951]

Holy WOW! Mine finally shows up today! And by a happy accident I received the Limited version when I thought I had ordered the brown. I LOVE it!! After your review of the brown, I regretted my decision. I liked your blue better. But now, I really think the limited is my personal favorite. And the size is truly unreal!

[@ChuckMusicDinoLover]

That was great! Congrats on your new giant and reigning king of all your sauropods! So far, I'm holding out on it. It's $300 including shipping to the US. And with so many upcoming figures I want, I just can't rationalize $300 for only one figure. (But I've put it on my Christmas Wish List! Lol!) Are you also going to do a comparison video with the Huayangosaurus? That would be great too! Hopefully down the road, HLG will have a change of heart and release it on its own or with something else. 🤞🤞 Thanks again for a excellent comparison/educational video!

[@DinosDragons]

Thank you for your kind words! Indeed, I just dropped the Huayangosaurus review today. A nice little figure. I hope HLG relents and releases it separately, at least in a different colour! This one is really a once in a lifetime purchase... (small print: for now!). It's not just the cost... it's an investment in shelf space and shelf strength! One of these requires logistics to display and plan for safety!

[@ChuckMusicDinoLover]

@@DinosDragons I did see your review of the Huayangosaurus after I had posted here. It was nice to see the comparisons. It is strange that they originally included it on their poster of herbivores to come. We all thought it would be released as a separate figure like all the others in that poster. I like your idea, though. If they would release it in other colors, then the one that came with the Argentinosaurus would still be special for those collectors who purchased that set! And yes, acquiring the Argentinosaurus, one doesn't just have to consider the price. With its extreme size and weight, when collecting these scientifically correct XL figures, one has to also consider, well... science. Lol! Thanks again!

[@summers7775]

would love a size comparison with ur patogotitan too!

[@DinosDragons]

Maybe one day I'll get to it! 😁 But right now I think people are getting saturated with this big and beautiful baddie, so maybe in future!

[@ultimulcretin5795]

I’m so surprised you didn’t compare the Alamosaurus with contemporaneous genera like the Mapusaurus and Meraxes from PNSO. Alamosaurus deserves recognition alongside these impressive theropods! I’d love to see a future video diving into those comparisons.

[@jdmangrich]

Alamosaurus wasn't contemporaneous with mapusaurus or meraxes, Argentinosaurus was

[@DinosDragons]

Thank you, I did have a line of other contemporaneous animals lined up, but the video just became way too long. I had to confined it to mainly sauropods or other models that most viewers will have to help them get an idea of the size.

[@ultimulcretin5795]

@@jdmangrich Oops, you're right, it was a spelling error on my part. I seem to always confuse the names of these two genera 😅.

[@commandershepardmessiah3345]

Had a little extra money set aside for frivolous things and Ordered mines Monday. Seeing it compared to that era terra Argentinasaurus really puts it in perspective that it even dwarfs that. Something I paid a similar price for that I still sometimes struggle to display is the beast of the mesozoic T-rex but I love it thought. Now this figure will be a big thing I'll have to make space for

[@DinosDragons]

Yes that's the tough part! There are models I bought because they were 'no brainers'... and then realise I have absolutely nowhere to put it! This one will need some real shelf strength too!

[@thomaswagner1135]

I like your discussion of the sources of uncertainty in estimating the size and weight of large titanosaurs. I had not studied the estimates for these different titanosaurs in such detail and also the methods how bone dimensions are used for making these estimates. Many inspirations for further reading there. To the sources of uncertainty you mention one could also add the aspect of size variation in a population of a dinosaur species at a given time (i.e. how representative our sample of fossils is of the true size variations), possible changes in average size of a species over geological time (like Camarasaurus became larger from bottom to top of the Morrison) and possibly also the effect of climate and availability of food sources on animal size. To cut a long story short, I think that it is quite possible that the maximum size of a species, especially one with few individuals preserved and fragmentary remains, might have been easily as much as 20 percent larger than what has been recorded. So I would think that the difference between a real animal of 35 and 37 meters (or just 30 meters) length through the centra would not be that significant. Putting the representativeness of our fossil samples into perspective, John Foster in his book on the Morrison Formation estimates that at one time between 250 thousand and 1 million large sauropods were inhabiting the coastal plain ecosystem. Now think that the Morrison spans about 7 million years of geological time and the life span of a sauropod was maybe 50 to 100 years at maximum. Imagine how many sauropods must have lived over these 7 million years.

[@DinosDragons]

You are absolutely right, a real animal of 35 to 37m can't be that much of a difference in real terms. I tend to use the largest size estimates because for sauropods, that's what people are most fascinated by and interested in. I invite anyone who gets angry arguing about dinosaur size to visit the local anatomy lab and see just how across a few human cadavers, there are many shapes, sizes, and even relative lengths of various body parts. However, considering how tiny a sample size we have, and how poor these remains are, it's perfectly plausible that there could be animals on either side of current estimated ranges. The question then, is what would start to creep into being illogical? If we had the old ideas where these animals were solid bone and muscle, the upper limits are clear. But with current understanding on the pneumaticity of these animals, that upper limit is more forgiving. I'm sure you have read many of these papers, but a couple of videos you might be interested in: Vividen's video on calculating dinosaur sizes: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q3uukIGIqJt5pMU&ab_channel=Vividen%3APaleontologyEvolved His video on Bruhathkayosaurus size: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kGKlc36JZ8eHpKM&ab_channel=Vividen%3APaleontologyEvolved

[@cinnamonroll6403]

Even with comparisons, I still can't imagine how big it is until I actually have it in hands. I have the HLG Alamosaurus and it is quite big, but man this looks so much bigger compared to the Alamosaurus. Thank you for the review as always.

[@DinosDragons]

Just please remember when you get it, the whole package is EIGHT KG heavy. Take care of your back and shoulders when lifting. The model is already 4.8kg and you will need a very strong shelf.

[@Luis-xr8rv]

Nice video; the comparison with the era terra is brutal, like always amazing video!

[@DinosDragons]

Both actually have their own good points, and I think that actually, many collectors would be happy with one, while equally many will do better with the other! 😁

[@michaelkawano1951]

So amazing! With sea shipping I’ll be waiting quite a while, but I’m so excited to receive it.

[@DinosDragons]

I'm happy for you that you did decide to get it, something many collectors are struggling with. This is going to be one major centerpiece one!

[@michaelkawano1951]

Oh, yeah. Definitely not passing on this one. I’m still shocked they actually produced it.

[@cosminbryant1243]

Love the review I just ordered the purple limited edition version

[@DinosDragons]

I am sure you're going to like it. HLG is amazing!

[@UmbraXCVII]

I have the haolonggood alamosaurus with the base and I'm struggling to imagine the scale of this thing side by side irl. Fantastic content as always sir 👏

[@DinosDragons]

Thank you! I was very excited when this was announced, and I can't believe I actually have a real 1:35 Argentinosaurus produced by a mainstream company at last!

[@paleo-logica]

Muy buena e interesante forma de responder a la más que típica pregunta de "¿Quién es más grande?" pero realizando una respuesta basada en los estudios y cálculos realizados científicamente por la paleontología, sin "influencias" externas. Un gran trabajo. Curiosamente, al ver la comparativa con el resto de figuras de HG, se nota la gran diferencia del pintado y de la calidad de este. Quizá en otras versiones de color no se apreciará tanto, pero con el Argentinosaurus "blue" la diferencia es, a mi parecer, abismal. Un abrazo, amigo, y gracias por tus fantásticos vídeos 😊

[@MrRajithasandaruwan]

What a fantastic beast! I'm in love with this figure. Additionally, I believe this to be my favorite color pattern. These scientific explanations are so helpful for us, my dear sir. I highly recommend your videos to all the small kids who love to learn about dinosaurs. I know I will show these videos to my kid when she grows up. I may not be able to buy this gentle giant, but I'm happy for you guys. Keep it up, my dear sir. You are the best. 🖤

[@DinosDragons]

Thank you for your kind words! I'm sorry this would be hard to get into your country, and I am sure you would be taxed for it if you did want to get it in ☹ In consolation, thought, it _is_ very heavy! And it takes up a lot of space. So that's a challenge. I am sure that when you kid grows up, much of the science could well have changed/ advanced already, and these videos need heavy updating! 🤣🤣

[@soreal091987]

Only wish I had the space for it..

[@DinosDragons]

Not just the space... the _shelf strength_ as well!!!

[@멀더fox]

하오롱굿에서 파타고 티탄도 나왓으면 좋겟다

[@DinosDragons]

Who knows, maybe one day! I think they might see how they sell this giant model first before they decide on another one, and Patagotitan certainly belongs to one that deserves to be made!

[@The_PokeSaurus]

Truly a giant among giants! OH wow, I didn't even need to make a Nanotyranus joke...

[@DinosDragons]

Lol I sure hope you hear good news in the new few years regarding confirmation of this genus! If only we could get at some private collections...

[@The_PokeSaurus]

@@DinosDragons Those may not be needed from what I've seen. A museum not far from me has an actual Juvenile Tyrannosaurus.

[@DinosDragons]

@@The_PokeSaurus I also meant if we had direct access to those Nanotyrannus fossils secretly kept away. Would sure like a better and fuller description from all available material!

[@The_PokeSaurus]

@@DinosDragons Agreed.

[@Jesus-rl9ph]

That alamosaurus HLG looks like the son... 👀💧

[@DinosDragons]

Blasphemy! 😅🤣

[@Jesus-rl9ph]

​​@@DinosDragons sorry 🤣🤣🤣 it's not something against the alamosaurus but a compliment to the size of the argentinosaurus 🙌🏻

[@TITANSofTheEARTH]

It looks so good. I hope my version looks good too. Now in detail your elephant like version is really realistic. As you show in your video. There are some things i want to talk about...obviously noone talks about. All pictures and tv shows like prehistoric planet show titanosaus like this figure. A frontal upright (higher shoulder than hip) dinosaur. But the reconsturction of maximo is very very horizontal. (Smithonian museum) The body front isn't higher. Even with flesh and muscles the maximo skeleton would not look like the pictures, the model or like in the series. Very confusing... On the one hand they show everywhere the titanosaurs like this model but they don't reconstruct the skeleton like it. And then for the comparison video. They have some femur bones. The fragmented one from Argentinosaurus, which is estimated at 2.5m but is incomplete at both ends. Well, all the femur bones you have are preserved in the middle. You can therefore determine the diameter, which gives conclusions about the massiveness of the creature. So a realistic comparison...that's actually possible. (as the humerus) Because we have more or less similar blueprints for the titanosaurs here. For example, if you compare the femur of an adult Triceratops with an adult African bull elephant. Both are about 150cm long...except that the Triceratops is twice as wide. You can safely assume that this animal was significantly heavier... simply because nature never does anything for free. If it serves no purpose... sorry for writing a novel^^

[@DinosDragons]

Never apologize for writing a novel! One thing I appreciate are people who really share a lot. In fact that's one thing I wish I could hear more of in your channel, but I understand why people don't even want to leave comments on. I'm sure you have plenty of knowledge; anyone mad enough to buy these huge pieces have a deep passion and areas of interest that go with that! Regarding sauropod posture, I think I talk about that in my PNSO Mamenchisaurus review, although since then I've learnt a lot more. The macronarian bauplan actually seems to be more common than the diplodocoidean one in neosauropoda. Titanosauriformes being under macronaria would quite likely follow the same general bauplan. Regarding Maximo specifically, I have been trying to find a paper I had but I think I've misplaced it. If you can find it, I think it might be interesting to read. Otero, Alejandro & Jose, Carballido & Pérez Moreno, Agustín. (2020). The Appendicular Osteology of Patagotitan Mayorum (Dinosauria, Sauropoda). Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology. 40. 10.1080/02724634.2020.1793158.

[@turtlesoup8134]

my favorite in this video are: HLG argentinosaurus, HLG mamenchiosaurus, PNSO camarasaurus. I own the HLG alamosaurus, but its not up to my expected standard. I also repainted the HLG apatosaurus and still feels inadequate. getting my HLG argentinosaurus in a few hours.

[@DinosDragons]

Haha my friend you must have super high standards! But if you repainted your own figure you must be an artist who knows what you want 😊 Sadly, I can't paint to save my life, so it's either hope I like at least one variant, or pay money to have models repainted in the colours I want 😭

[@turtlesoup8134]

@@DinosDragons You guessed right, in fact I am an artist, a product designer to be exact, but unfortunately, i don't have the facility for an airbrush.

[@turtlesoup8134]

@@DinosDragons speaking of which, I do need to retouch some of the spikes on the argentinosaurus. This time HLG has done a poor job on the spikes and nails.

[@alfer9920]

You don't have diplodocus from Rebor?

[@DinosDragons]

I included a quick shot of it towards the end for the size comparisons.

[@sumanmajumder459]

So glad 😊 to see u adding my ruyangosaurus in comparison with this huge argentinosaurus. This ruyangosaurus is sooo tinyyyyyyyyyyy😅😅😅😅😅😅 in comparison with argentinosaurus

[@DinosDragons]

Hahah, yes but it's still huge compared to the CollectA Argentinosaurus! 🤣

[@linogroff841]

Sembrano uguali di lunghezza,però il recente,è più alto.

[@DinosDragons]

Are you talking about the two Argentinosauruses? The new one is also thicker and much, much heavier!

[@sumanmajumder459]

Infront of haolonggood argentinosaurus era terra argentinosaurus looks weird 😂😂😂😂😂

[@turtlesoup8134]

there is an old Chinese saying: No harm will be done if there are no comparison.

[@DinosDragons]

I still think the Era Terra has plenty going for it, and it's a completely different aesthetic. There are some cases where I can recommend getting the Era Terra, for example, and you can even choose your pattern and colour scheme. I deliberately chose one that went with my idea of something cool, not what looked 100% believable!

[@nonono-f6y]

@@DinosDragons The teeth are much better rendered on the Era Terra version too compared to HLG. But overall I still prefer HLG's take.

[@samuelmeier1617]

Aaaaaaand my money is gone

[@DinosDragons]

Oh no...... 😭😭

[@hyperspace3022]

Argentinosaurus not arhentinosaurus. It's a J sound not H as it's named after the country 😊

[@jdmangrich]

G is pronounced with an H sound in spanish

[@hyperspace3022]

@jdmangrich agreed but the dinosaur's name isn't meant to be pronounced in Spanish due to old Latin nomenclature.

[@DinosDragons]

Thank you for your comment. Anglicization is common over time, but I prefer to honour the root word of each name. So Latin parts I will still try to pronounce correctly pronunciation as you may guess from how I pronounce "-us". Because Argentinosaurus is named after the Spanish "Argentina" and not the Latin word _argentum_ from which it itself is derived, I choose to pronounce it Spanish the way my Spanish teacher taught me. If I were to choose the Latin _argentum_ , it should technically be pronounced with a hard "g" sound, neither a "j" or a "h". If it's a language I have studied/ am studying, it's also habitual and frankly, laziness. I don't want to remember to say a word correctly with my Latin teacher and differently in another context. The "h" sound simply from habit as I really decided to take a break from other languages and really focus on Spanish this year and 2025. I definitely make exceptions if the origin word is so far off that most people won't even know what I'm talking about. If I were to try to pronounce "-titan" like Ancient Greek tιτάν , no one would understand what that was. 🤣

[@GustaHeavy]

I think when the name of the dinosaur is in honor to the place, region or country is better to pronunciate it as how the locals do, as how Dinosdragons pronunciate Argentinosaurus. Is as every argentinian would say it.. But it is just my apreciatiation, scientific consensus maybe is as you say, meant to pronunce it in latin, and then is the sound you explained. For me is very interesting to learn how to pronunciate the name of dinosaurs form China as our phonetics are very differents, and if i read it as i would in spanish, i often do it very wrong. Greets!