350 Legend Bullet Drop Comparison! Target vs Hunting Ammo

[@garyK.45ACP]

In the 50s and 60s we "built" rifles also. (news flash, people have been building rifles for something like 600 years now) We used surplus Mauser and Springfield actions. We did it in the metal shop in high school. Yeah, built rifles in school, imagine that. And got school credit for it. Do the metal work in "metal shop" and make the stock in "wood shop". We rebarrelled them, or sometimes turned the military barrel on a lathe to make it have a "sporter" shape, and re-stocked them and drilled and tapped them and mounted scopes. We bent the bolt handles, or cut them off and welded on a new one. Then we built another one. Until 1968 we could order surplus rifles and have them delivered to our door. Now people "build" ARs ( i have built three so far) and it is easier, for sure. The trend in the 50s and 60s resulted in a whole bunch of new cartridges, including the whole range of the "30-06 length belted magnums"....300 Win Mag, et al...and then that case was necked up and down from .243" to .458", all because they FIT in the magazines/actions of Springfields and Mausers, just as this whole range of new cartridges now FITS in the AR. Now, none of this is a bad thing, do not misunderstand. It is ALL good. But now, just as then, these new cartridges do not really offer anything "magic" or that wasn't already available. We had the .300 H&H before 1963, it just didn't FIT in a military Mauser or Springfield and a "magnum Mauser" cost a whole lot more money than a surplus one (just as an AR-10 action'd rifle costs more now) All good stuff! Have fun, it is a great hobby. Just remember, it was all done before and some of these cartridges will do well and some will be starring on the "Forgotten Weapons" channel sooner, rather than later.

[@rifleshooterchannel208]

.300WM wipes the floor with .300H&H so it isn’t just about a shorter action, it’s about a more efficient cartridge too.

[@dennisdallege2628]

The whole point of the 350 legend is to be legal in states that don't allow centerfire rifles for deer hunting. They do allow straight walled cartridges. Yeah it's not anything magical, but it's legal to use in the Midwest.

[@garyK.45ACP]

@@dennisdallege2628 Well, yes and no. There are many other straight walled cartridges that are legal to use in the midwest, we sure didn't need another one just to meet THAT standard. The .350 Legend was developed to meet that standard AND function in AR platform rifles without modification except the barrel. This allows someone to set up an "upper" and switch calibers even using the same BCG and magazine. Not a bad thing at all. However, we can name any number of other straight walled cartridges that meet those standards. .357 and .44 Mag .375 WCF and even the .45-70 (state laws vary on cartridge length, etc) BUT, they won't work in an AR rifle. Even the 113 year old .351 Winchester Self Loading meets the standard AND in a semi-auto! IF you are going to hunt in one of the few jurisdictions that has this restriction AND you want to use an AR type rifle AND you don't want to use the far superior .450 Bushmaster (which does the same thing, only much better) THEN the .350 Legend is a good 2nd choice. In any other jurisdictions, any other rifles it is really not a good choice. Or, I should say...there are much better options available.

[@TexasTrained]

Times have changed..I took 2 Brithish 303's to school in 6th grade for a Play in Music Class.I lived on a ranch so when I got on the bus at 6:40 that morning My School Bus Driver asked me if I was going hunting after school. Thats all he asked.Not was it loaded or anything.. In todays time Id go to jail for sure.Never make it to school with a rifle.

[@Me2Lancer]

I appreciate your expertise and helping reveal ballistics properties of 350 Legend Cartridges. I liked and subscribed.

[@jasonsimone3523]

I'd like to see it compared to the 35 Remington.

[@rickmiller272]

I would like to see it match up to the 38/55 and or the .375 Winchester. A great forgotten round that always got the job done.

[@TexasTrained]

Ive got a 350 Legend, a 450 Bushmaster and a 38-55 ....The 38-55 is a kicking son of a gun.. it is a Winchester with a steel curved butt plate wiith a..LOL

[@tskirchman]

Good to know the target ammo has the same drop as the more expensive hunting ammo! I'm about to build an AR with an 18" barrel. Thank you

[@edwardlance2379]

I have a 16" AR in this caliber. I bought a cheap BCA upper, but it's a shooter. With the factory Winchester 150 Xtreme tip ammo, it'll shoot MOA or better. Haven't tried any hand loads yet. The only issue is that although this round is spec'd as .357 -.003, it seems barrels and chambers are really made for .355 (9mm) bullets (all the factory ammo is .355). We're not sure exactly what happened when the round was being developed, but apparently the end result is really a 9mm chamber/bore. People working up loads with .357 or .358 bullets are reporting pressure issues before they even reach the middle of the load data for a given round. This is probably due to the neck dimensions being too tight for the slightly larger bullets (you will definitely get a neck bulge with the larger bullets) so the case can't expand enough to easily "let go" of the bullet initially which is causing a pressure spike. I know the barrel company that was working with Winchester on the development of the round specifically states that only .355 diameter bullets are to be used in their barrels. Rounds loaded with .357 or .358 bullets won't even chamber in their barrels and these are ther guys who helped develop it!. I'd be very careful working with the larger sized bullets. Fortunately, there are quite a few .355 bullets on the market that are perfect for the 350 (some specifically for the 350), from as light as 68 grains (LeHigh Defense solid coppers), all the way to 180 grains. The bullets used in all the 350 factory ammo are available in component form if you reload. A lot of hand loaders are having good results with powder coated cast bullets and pushing them to 1800+ FPS. I've seen bullets cast from zinc (lighter weight for size) getting up into the 2800+ fps range as well. There is one video here on YT of a guy loading LeHigh Defense 90 grain Xtreme Defense solid coppers and getting over 3,000 FPS with it out of a 20" AR-15. Just be aware that shooting this round in a bolt gun vs an AR will have a bit of difference in how each gun handles the round.

[@bradleys2320]

comparison of terminal ballistics vs. 30-30: gel tests at 75, 100, 150 yds. even out to 200 and 250 if that helps further illustrate the distinction between their terminal effectiveness on deer.

[@ryanharris6045]

Thanks for the video and for making those barrels. It looks like it was a great day to go shooting. Natchez, Washington looks a lot like your area. I agree with Jason, 35 Remington would be a great comparison. Cheers!

[@northwind9505]

The 350 legend was compared to the 30-30. I would like to see those 2 match up. Bullet weight and barrel length.

[@codythompson8456]

North wind that would be something to see. If the ole 30-30 is still out here beating the new cats and there high pressures.

[@coolbeans6148]

I like the 350 because its cheaper and similar performance.

[@rifleshooterchannel208]

.350 is a useless caliber. .30-30 wipes the floor with it in a manually operated firearm.

[@ravissary79]

@@rifleshooterchannel208 it's extremely useful for achieving similar performance in a state that requires a straight walled cartridge. It's also AR-compatible with a barrel swap and a special magazine. I wouldn't call that useless.

[@rifleshooterchannel208]

ravissary79 The moment proprietary magazines show up, it becomes useless. Having a new round based on a .223 casehead using a standard 5.56 bolt but a completely different magazine just reeks of poor planning to me. I could live with the fact that it doesn’t use .358” projectiles if it was using regular magazines. It doesn’t of course, so there is no purpose.

[@michaellewis5624]

I have a Ruger American 350 legend with a 22 inch barrel. I shoot the 150gr winchester deer season. Zero at 150 dead on only drops around 3 inches at 200. 200 yards is my personal limit. I'm 60yo now and not as steady or see as well as I use to.

[@hananyahdavis3715]

Would love to see more videos about this 350 legend

[@russellkeeling9712]

The 350 Legend closely mirrors the .357 Remington Maximum as far a bullet weights and velocities.

[@FrogRogers]

nice little video. I was wondering with the 1:16 twist if I didn't need to stay away from the lighter ammo. Looks like the 180 did pretty well. I'll site it in with 145 gr that I got then tighten it up with the 180 gr.

[@neilmoomey]

I'd like to see this compared to the .357 Maximum. Thanks.

[@neilmoomey]

Some of your published 357 Maxium Stout load data exceeds this. For example 21" barrel 180gr Speer 28 gr Lilgun 2232 fps. Would be interesting to see what Stout loads for rhe 350 Legend can do.

[@MatchGradeMachine]

Thanks for the idea we will see what we can load up for this and what kind of velocity we can push

[@jasonsimone3523]

The old 35 Remington will do 2400 fps with the 180gr. Speer bullet from a 20 inch barrel.

[@neilmoomey]

@@jasonsimone3523 Where did you get that load data from? I only see 2302 fps 24" barrel on Hodgdon.com

[@JBsBBQ]

Just subscribed bro. great channel. i'm in the process of building a 350 legend in ar-15 platform. my primary use for it would be hunting from 100-250'ish yards or so. i would be very interested to see it's performance at 350-500 yards or so. Great video keep up the good work brother!

[@PC-vq5ud]

Please do follow-up video with a 22 inch 357 Maximum barrel that you have been producing for years.

[@kevinelliott9679]

Run the same test with a 450 Bushmaster. I live in a straight wall state and own a 450, but that is probably a lot less recoil to start a new shooter on.

[@roadsideprophet2012]

I can understand the attraction of the 350 Legend in an AR platform but in a break action single shot I don't think it offers any advantage that you could not have with the 357 maximum. Actually it seems the maximum would have the advantage by being a rimmed cartridge in a single shot

[@davekoenig9935]

Sadly those Ruger Maximums flame cut the top straps in revolvers. The case Mouth head spacing of these Legends will work O K in a break action single shots, but not in tube magazines, so A R’s seem to be the logical repeaters to use them. The 356BB Winchester was a brute in their WIN. BB Carbine, IMHO! This newbie outperforms my Grandad’s Win. M 1907, in 351 SLR, back in the day.

[@dustinmccain1215]

The 145 gr Win FMJ shot so close with my Win150 gr SP out to 150yd. At 200 there was 2.5 -3 inches more drop on the 145s.

[@pcbulletempire9872]

Awesome, great job Logan ,

[@MatchGradeMachine]

Thanks for watching guys I appreciate you watching!

[@caseybrown5183]

Fantastic. I don’t care about longer ranges or other cartridges. I want to see the same test with every commercially available supersonic.350 Legend loading.

[@TheFirearmGuy]

Great video. Thanks for the info. Saved me a lot of time

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[@matthewwagner4042]

Please compare to 450 bushmaster. Compare it on volume, recoil, energy, accuracy, ballistics, etc... Volume is a big concern for me. How much louder is 450 vs 350?

[@MatchGradeMachine]

A quick search will lead to numerous comparisons, but here's our results for the 450 Bushmaster. A video of the two is a great idea! matchgrademachine.com/velocity-testing-thompson-center-barrels/#bushmaster

[@monster87024]

Good shooting! Try 400?

[@hazcat640]

You said it's a 1:16 twist. Have you tried any other twist rates? I would be interested as 1:16 seems to be standard for 9mm but those heavier bullets in the 350 make me think a 1:14 or even a 1:12 might shoot better (just spit balling).

[@mgmbarrels3299]

Winchester announced that the SAAMI 1:16" will stabilize the 265 subsonic loaded ammo they are launching soon.

[@hazcat640]

Thanks

[@TheReloadingPress]

Great job brother, nice shooting.

[@MatchGradeMachine]

Thanks dude I appreciate you checking it out!

[@EC-mc7vg]

This cartridge only seems really useful in close range hog hunting,100 yards and in, in the AR15 platform where follow up shots would be necessary and fun.

[@jamespollard1670]

So what do you think of this cartridge ?

[@MatchGradeMachine]

Hey James, I think it’s a solid cartridge at these ranges especially for the people who have to comply with the hunting regulations. It’s a quick moving hard hitting cartridge. It left marks in AR500 at 100 yards

[@frankiejones4816]

i would like to see the 300 blackout in a 12 inch barrel. sub sonic.

[@stevenwagner9912]

I'm wondering about building an AR pistol with a 8 or 10 inch barrel.

[@richsadventure9736]

I have a 350 legend 22" bull barrel from you guys, and was wondering if you loaded up any hand loads in 357 diameter instead of the factory 9mm 355 stuff

[@MatchGradeMachine]

We haven’t yet but we are going to make a .355 barrel and compare it to the 357 barrel!

[@danhughes3626]

Do 460 barrel accuracy

[@leninmi7579]

Yes, you hit the target for a kill shot, how much energy did the heavier bullet have for penetration vs. the light gr.?

[@davidhilla8816]

What scope and mounts (DNZ?) are you using? Can you do a shoot with a 16" and maybe 10" for comparison to this longer one?

[@MatchGradeMachine]

The scope is a Vortex Razor gen II 4.5-27x56 with medium height Vortex rings on our MGM picatinny scope base

[@hoosierdaddy2308]

Hello. Just happened on to you because this cartridge fascinates me.. I'm in Indiana where this and Ohio and a couple other states were why this was developed. To hunt deer because of regulations. This would also be a good all around farm gun cartridge for coyotes, etc if you don't care about the fur. I would like to see you shoot it further. It looks accurate even at 300 yards for what it is. The ammo price is right too. . I think I am going to get the Ruger Ranch rifle since it acceots AR mags. This way I can get 20 rd mags for fun. 😂 Good video. What state are you in may I ask? Do you make other caliber heavy varmint barrels? Like 204 ruger ir 223 or?

[@MatchGradeMachine]

we definitely make barrels chambered in the varmint cartridges like you mentiones as well as many others, be sure to visit our website for a full camber list. Thanks.

[@hoosierdaddy2308]

@@MatchGradeMachine Thanks. I will. I'm trying to put together a good varmint rifle for here in Indiana, which is usually a 150 yard or less gun, but sometimes you do get a long shot out to 300 to 400 yard or so. I'm probably going to go with .223. Thanks so much. Tim

[@codycunningham5800]

Interesting results not sure if it was the barrel or the shooter, awesom shootin!

[@user-bn3zo3mh5v]

Can you load those up with some pistol JHPs and see what kind of speeds and accuracy you can get. I remember seeing in a Speer reloading manual from the 80s that the pistol bullets loaded in the 35 Remington said that they were very explosive on impact and were not suggested for edible game for that reason. I bet a 110 JHP would be stroking on up to the 125s.

[@strider8933]

I do like the theory of ballistics. But, I don't see a huge advantage over other available cartridges. For an intermediate cartridge it performs well. But try to find .350 Legend in Podunk Arkansas (no offense) on a weekend hunt when you find out you FORGOT to pack your ammo. Or the airlines lost the bag your ammo was in. Not saying no. Just maybe not yet.

[@SnuffyDirt]

How about the 357 Maximum as a comparison? I’ve heard they are similar. I have a max and so far love it with factory loads but my range limit is under 200.

[@MatchGradeMachine]

It will be very similar to the max, the max has a rimmed cartridge and the legend has a recessed case head design

[@shilohjim]

I'd like to see it compared to the 357 maximum.

[@brettrossetti211]

What scope recommendstions do you have for this set up

[@mgmbarrels3299]

We like the Vortex Crossfire II 3-9x50 Straight Wall. It was designed around these straight wall cartridges and gets the job done!

[@Brandon-wd9si]

That doesn’t make sense to me how a 180gr has the same drop as a 145gr when the 145 should be moving faster with less drop

[@jlock9085]

More aerodynamic

[@brandonh8557]

J lock same caliber heavier bullet aerodynamics isn’t it. It’s got to have something to do do with the amount of gun powder or a hotter burning powder in the 180.

[@dennislanning8076]

I have a MGM .357 maxi in the 1:16 in a 20” stainless . How hard is it to convert over to the .350 Legend ?

[@MatchGradeMachine]

Unfortunately that is not a chamber we can convert to the other. Thanks.

[@Mikegevedon7655]

Stretch it out to see just how far it will perform

[@jerryfisher9530]

What scope do you use and why

[@mgmbarrels3299]

In the video we used a Vortex PST but the perfect scope for this caliber is the Vortex Crossfire II 3-9x50 Straight Wall. This scope was designed around this caliber.

[@andywest6113]

Do you sell that stock ?

[@MatchGradeMachine]

Haus of arms should be able to help with that!

[@PC-vq5ud]

Boyds stocks

[@harmongreeriii4163]

Load some with 124 grn 9mm fmj and lil gun powder. See how fast they will go and if they still shoot good groups.

[@davidfriesen9512]

I wish saami would sanction a .357 based off of the .25wssm case. You’d have the same case length as the .350 legend but a fatter case

[@stevenwagner9912]

The Yeti is a 357 based on the 308. Brass would be much easier to get.

[@rigjiggles7074]

Could you make a Henry run 350 legend

[@MatchGradeMachine]

No, the 357 maximum is the better option because it has a rimmed case head, the legend does not.

[@rkba4923]

I've seen you on another channel!? I believe 2.5 moa at 200 yds is more like 5 inches but maybe I missed something. 10 moa at 300 yds! That thing drops worse than the brick known as the .308.

[@jhagin9869]

I think he is talking mils. Not minutes of angle. I was thinking the same exact thing.

[@sapago4166]

Can this be chambered in an original frame Contender?

[@gregsimpson9317]

What is the best length barrel for 350 legend

[@dustinmccain1215]

20in.works awesome out of my CVA Scout V2. I'd love to try 22

[@gregsimpson9317]

@@dustinmccain1215 I just bought a Winchester xpr with a 22" barrel

[@edwardlance2379]

Search here in YT for "350 Legend by the inch", a 2-part series where they take a 25" barrel, fire 5 rounds, record velocities, cut an inch off the barrel, rinse repeat. It is fired on an AR platform using Winchester 145 grain FMJ, but you can see how the barrel length affects velocity, and where the sweet spot is. They take the barrel all the way down to 7".

[@rokkinjohann]

Maybe I'm picky about the wrong stuff but........ 2.5 MOA at 200yd is way closer to 5" than 7.5". That holdover error would really distort any understanding gained from longer range shooting. Despite that detail I'm fascinated by the 350 n am considering an upper bcz its performance fits my desire for something 30-30ish from an AR.

[@Masheen187]

Does MGM make compass barrels?

[@82delta]

Would you rather have a .357 remington maximum or the legend?

[@Datsyukiandeke]

Id like to see the 350 compared to a 44 magnum out of a rifle...both hunting loads

[@jlock9085]

It's a wash. Muzzle energy similar. 44 has more momentum and leaves a bigger hole. 350 shoots flatter and has more cavitation.

[@randyhenderson2347]

Try it against a 300 blk out

[@ReconMan772]

6.5 grendel would be awesome,

[@MatchGradeMachine]

In comparison to the 350 or just a Grendel video by itself?

[@ReconMan772]

A grendel video it's self , really like that round gets very little love

[@HUSTONFARMSest]

gomer19820 I definitely agree. I’ve been lovin my Grendel since I completed build this spring. It’s a great performer that I was late to embrace, but I’m sure glad I did. I’d think in a single shot it’s inherent accuracy would really shine.

[@ReconMan772]

@@HUSTONFARMSest I love my MGM 22" barrel in 6.5 grendel.. it's a 1/2 moa barrel , I have been lovin this barrel , not missing my AR platform 6.5 .. I'll take super accurate over more rounds

[@jamessammann9183]

Let's do a 1000 yards

[@MatchGradeMachine]

not with the legend

[@gospelgunn]

124 grain

[@joenguyen-vlog8063]

Liked and subscribed 👍👍😁

[@miloburgholder7520]

That’s a very interesting gun...

[@mathewt767]

2.5 moa at 200 is 5 inches

[@kymopar]

how 'bout bullet energy at those ranges?..the 350 legend is no 300 yard deer rifle..

[@MatchGradeMachine]

Ballistic calculators will tell you energy at different distances and velocities.

[@kymopar]

@@MatchGradeMachine yes, and at 300 yards it's pretty wimpy..another useless round..hyped up by the gun writers and sold to the uniformed..

[@wipatriot510]

Work some custom rounds up...

[@bloodhound122]

Subbed have a contender to accessorize.

[@justinbobbitt1346]

compare it to 300blk out

[@jlock9085]

Blows it away

[@charlesbowman8125]

Awesome video. I would like to see it out at 400 and 500 yards. It seems it's not as accurate as they claim. I would say it's not bad at all for a straight wall round.

[@kymopar]

there's no reason to test it that far..it's a 150- 175 yard gun..AT BEST!

[@gregphillips1998]

Why is everyone so hung up on long range shooting. That cartridge was developed for states that requires a straight wall cartridge in a rifle. The 30/30 or the 35 Rem shoots that far effectively. Most of those areas you don’t get over 100-150yd shots anyway. You can always have arguments about different cartridges until the cows come home. It’s also perfect for the AR platform that so many people love. Most of the other cartridges won’t work in the AR.

[@JohnDoe-ud2cc]

I think its about the same as a 357 maximum

[@MrSjcod]

So what’s the deal with this channel?? I watch all your WDS videos. Is this your new channel ?

[@MatchGradeMachine]

Thanks for watching both channels, I work for MGM and Preferred barrels making videos for them. The WDS channel is my own.

[@tightsbk]

I like the 444 better

[@garyK.45ACP]

I fail to see the shock & awe about a cartridge that barely beats the 112 year old .351 WSL (and the .351 could easily equal it with modern powders except that the M1907 rifle was blowback operated and was finicky about bullet weights and velocities) and does not even come close to the .35 Remington. Other than providing a straight wall cartridge, suitable for the AR platform, in the very few areas which restrict deer hunting with rifles to straight wall cartridges of specific dimensions, it is outperformed by almost anything else. Long range use? Sure. IF you know the EXACT range, no problem. Look how well long range shooters do with cartridges like the .45-70 and .45-90, etc...BUT they KNOW the exact range and they KNOW the specifics of their loadings precisely. If they are 10 yards off in range estimation or 50 fps off in velocity, they will miss the target completely. Being able to hit a target from a solid rest at a KNOWN range does not make the rifle a "300 yard hunting rifle" The cartridge was designed to fit a niche which covers perhaps less than 1/10th of 1% of the land area used by deer hunters and people act like it is the best thing since sliced bread. If you are using any rifle except an AR and hunting anywhere except an area that REQUIRES this combination of cartridge features...there are better choices. Hate to spoil the party, but after more than 150 years of metallic cartridge development there really ARE NO "empty places" in the cartridge line up and anything introduced today can be duplicated by a cartridge 75-100+ years old using modern propellants and bullets. I will note I recall a similar response from "gun scribes" to the .264 Winchester Magnum and the 6.5mm Remington Magnum. Who else remembers those? Wait! What? You mean there were 6.5mm cartridges before the 6.5mm Creedmore? Say it ain't so!

[@MatchGradeMachine]

yep, there are bigger faster cartridges, this was designed to be legal in straight wall hunting states and also work in AR15s mission accomplished.

[@PC-vq5ud]

yes. 6.5x55

[@poorfatman5317]

Try shooting it farther out

[@ronwilliams329]

Question for the public......... Why is someone trying to reinvent and bring back the 8 track tape cartridge?

[@MatchGradeMachine]

Because 357 Rem Max does not work in an AR15 platform with the rimmed cartridge design.

[@beardoggin8963]

Hey! I recognize you lol

[@dougm2681]

Do what your going to do....dont jabber about it

[@wavywade8164]

A 7.62X39 will shoot the same trajectory and be much more available and affordable. I think this round is a go nowhere gimmick. Just like the .327 round, 350 Remington mag and a whole host of others. Also, I know what a minute of angle is but not everyone does. Quit trying to talk like a sniper and lay it out in terms everyone understands. It just come off as elitist to me.

[@jamessammann9183]

Had 3 Thompson center break guns they all sucked with accuracy

[@MatchGradeMachine]

You should try one of our barrels.

[@jamessammann9183]

@@MatchGradeMachine do u make a 6,5 prc

[@jamessammann9183]

By the way u shot good and know your moa..also bad ass scope I shoot nightforce

[@PC-vq5ud]

@@jamessammann9183 Look for the video they did last year. Blew up a 300 PRC.

[@kerrypurcell6022]

what a worthless cartridge,,,,,its better i read than a 243 win or 30-30,,,,,which is a damn lie,,,,,but 6.5 creedmoor users will find it usefull,,,and write big stories about it beating the likes of a 300 win mag and such,,,,so it should be a good seller,,

[@blhornertube]

That's horse shit 350 legend is not for me