350 Legend vs 30-30 in Ballistics Gel

[@isellcatlitter]

i'm surprised that those 350 legend bullets did not expand, the one you found on the ground was definitely the 3rd shot, you can see it dancing on the table before falling off in the slow mo...

[@olegakhapkin4318]

No surprise. Expansion is becoming less when you shoot through rigid target first. Just try to shoot SP bullet to wooden log.

[@wdtaut5650]

@@olegakhapkin4318 Ha! When I first read it, I thought it said "wooden leg'.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Whootee, I'd sure learn more if you'd tell us a bit about the construction of the bullets. Those 350 Legend slugs appear to be more of a controlled expansion bullet than the 30-30 you shot. Do they have harder lead cores, thicker jackets or what? Can you gel test various 350 Legend bullets? Thanks man! Keep up the entertaining videos.

[@Danielfiscus]

Do u have a video on the 350 love you Channel

[@cajun4christ]

Dude got a Ron Spomer shout out!?!! 🤯

[@YellowHammer26]

Don’t know a lot about the 350 legend but the 30-30 is a deer slayer. Also love a lever action. Thanks wtw 👍👍

[@grisslebear]

You only say that because of the literal hundreds of thousands of deer the .30-30 has rehomed into freezers.

[@ronsamborski6230]

@@grisslebear For as long as the.30/30 has been around, that number is probably in the millions. 🦌🦌🦌🦌🦌🦌🦌🦌🦌 👍🏽

[@grisslebear]

@@ronsamborski6230 Yup. Most likely.

[@TheExplosiveGuy]

30-30 is the goat of deer cartridges, it just works. And you can't _not_ like a lever rifle, so when you combine the two you have a rifle everyone should own, my Marlin 30-30 is one of my most cherished rifles. If I'm going and shooting out to 500-600+ yards I'll take the 30-06 or .308 but anything under that is just fine for a 30-30.

[@YellowHammer26]

@@TheExplosiveGuy 👍👍yep

[@JAlapeck]

You need a high tech fleece fabric bullet catch behind your gel blocks. Works for Paul.

[@grahambamford9073]

Different KZbinr...... Only a nasty pink 1980s blanket for this guy.... 😜

[@danielf7055]

An old bulletproof vest will catch it

[@PewPewGuy85]

I love my Ruger American in 350 Legend and glad you showed off the results of the round through the gel. It is an awesome round to use.

[@elvinirons5959]

I’ve got a Ruger American in 350 legend short barrel n I love it so far, I shoot 170 Hornady whitetail bullets n they been doing great for deer n the Recoil of the gun is totally awesome n it’s so light to carry n handle, I’d be hard pressed to carry a different gun myself !! Great video 👏👏👍🏼

[@mrmatt7210]

There are a few things I look for in a hunting bullet. To be clear, I wish to see expansion, penetration and repeatable accuracy. With this being said it would appear this particular 350 Legend bullet delivers at least one of the three. For what it's worth I would rather hunt with the 30-30 as its expansion was excellent and the penetration was suitable to provide an exit wound

[@auntiefiat9769]

Agree 100%

[@adamwright4969]

Buddy of mine got a deer with his 350 legend last year, thereunder does better than I ever thought it would. That said, I've never seen a 30 30 170 gun corlokt recovery from a deer all pass through. Thanks for the video and God bless

[@mid-misage3416]

Not sold on the lead tipped bullets for the .350 Legend for deer hunting after that. Hollow points will be the way to go. Really like the 30/30 comparison.

[@sog4646]

Bullet options are still limited for the .350, unless you reload with custom bullets. I got a .375 winchester to try this year.

[@chrisb18civic18]

The deer season xp 180 expansion is quite good on deer my daughter took a buck with it and I found the bullet just under the skin opposite side and it expanded quite a bit more than this test.

[@frankbrowning328]

There's nothing wrong with the overal design of the 350 Legend cartridge. The bullet designers need to spend more time designing bullets that provide the best ballance between penetration and expansion. I just watched a video where a guy had all copper 140 gr bullets loaded to over 2300 fps. This may be a good path for finding that ballance

[@thetman0068]

Good thing with 350 Legend is that, because it's a 35 caliber, you can experiment with heavy revolver bullets in .357 or .358 caliber. I'd reckon a lead round nose or semi-jacketed-flat-point would do great in certain situations, if you do a little experimentation with the loads. Presuming you're a reloader of course.

[@c3mac55]

​@thetman0068 - you can use .355 and .357 but not .358. The projectile is compressed on firing and the .358 is just a little bit too big.

[@montyherren26]

30-30 for my vote . That 350 legend bullet acts like a hardcast . Load the 30-30 with hardcast and see what it penetrates. I'll bet it about the same as the 350.

[@DinoNucci]

No

[@PassivePortfolios]

Never had a 30-30 bullet fail to expand in deer and hogs, even when using the cheapest ammo available. If using the 350 it is critical to find ammo with bullets which expand.

[@tray22]

The round he used didn't perform like others I have seen tested in 350. The deer season xp does an amazing job and wouldn't have made it out of two blocks of gel.

[@joelmcmahan7386]

I see lots of hunters going with the 350 legend for deer hunting. I hear the recoil isn’t bad from this straight wall bin bang. This CMMG setup is a good looking accurate boo lot slinger. Thanks for more good information from your great videos Mr Who Tee Who. The 30/30 is a great looking bing bang too. I’ve taken several bear and a few deer with the 30/30 and both are fine tools for hunting. 💪🏽🎥💯👍🙏🏻

[@jeffmiller1656]

Also in many states/areas you can't hunt with a rifle and the straight wall cartridge like the .350 falls in the legal parameters.

[@nikbloom2616]

30-30 in my opinion is a great all around rifle

[@Tomcat1957]

In many states, they replaced the muzzleloading/black powder season with alternate weapons season and allow a strait wall round. That's why I'm here thinking about the 350 legend and the 3030 isn't legal for the new season.

[@KanakaMaoli1]

That 3rd shot furthest right went through every thing hit the red blanket and bounced back on the table then fell on the ground the slow mo camera caught it all.

[@ralphgreenjr.2466]

I have used the 30-30 for over 50 years and it always does the job. When the .350 Legend came out I bought one and won one. I have taken 8 deer with it, all one shot drop on the spot. I have used Winchester 150gr, Browning 155 gr, and my 165 gr Hornady bullets. All expand well and pass through. I really love the 165 gr best at about 2250 fps.

[@johnshields9110]

In general, what ranges did you use the 30-30 and 350 Legend ? I killed a memorable buck with a 30-30 that I shot a little too far back and had to do some tracking in the fog. I have picked up '50 era 94, that I want to use for old time sakes. Would it do the job at 200 yard if placed properly (I got this one field). I over gunned on whitetails for years after that. Thanks. Mine likes 150 gr Remington loads. I use a 170 gr load years ago; doubt it expanded much.

[@ralphgreenjr.2466]

@@johnshields9110 My 30-30 Winchester has a Marbles peep site, most shots 100 yards. My .350 legends are both scoped and zeroed for 200 yards. To date my long shot with a .350 legend has been about 125 yards quartering to me. I shoot 165 gr with the .350 and 170 gr with the 30-30, both my handloads.

[@johnshields9110]

@@ralphgreenjr.2466 Thanks for the response! Mine has a time period corect LER 3/4 inch Weaver scope. 2 1/2x. It was sighted in for 200 yards; I guess whoever owned it had big field he was watching too.

[@pbeardy]

Great video! The 350 seems like a very good hog slayer. I have five .30-.30’s so I will be staying in that caliber. I do love these comparisons though, keep up the great work!

[@dougmarshall5504]

Yes the 350 legend 180 grain is an absolute hog slayer , all 3 never took a step . I went with it just because of the low recoil and ar platform I prefer . Either way you can’t go wrong

[@francisbarbeau1862]

I would love to see a 35 Rem Vs. 350 legend!!

[@Lauterbach24]

@@danrunner84 that isn't even close to being a fair comparison. The 35 Whelen is a necked up '06.

[@edeldridge36]

@@Lauterbach24 Yep. Why compare a necked up 223 Remington to a necked up 30-06?

[@dr.froghopper6711]

I agree! 35 Remington is superior!

[@toddk1377]

@@dr.froghopper6711 Within 100 yards, all day long. Beyond that, the velocity drops down so low the bullet does what this 350 loading is doing, barely mushrooms out and just makes a 35 caliber hole. With a good loading the 350 is capable of good expansion and wound cavitation out too 200 yards and can be shot further but the terminal performance drops off. I've used both, the 35 was an awesome caliber and loved shooting it out of my 81 Remington Woods master, but now days 35 is harder to find and expensive where the 350 isn't. Then again, who am I kidding, everything seems difficult and expensive compared to a few years ago 🤷

[@chrissewell1608]

For the .350 Legend to be (originally) compared to the 30/30, in ballistics. It seems to have a lot more penetration, and foot pounds of force. I think a line of water jugs may be needed to catch these bullets, next time. I want to see those hollow points, and ballistic tipped bullets, expansion vs. the soft points. But either gun and round will take down big game efficiently. Thanks for another awesome video!

[@rre9121]

It really could have to do with using clear ballistics stuff instead of actual gel. Other testers have seen the same thing happen with other calibers.

[@kyle18934]

they expanded very poorly. I was expecting what the 30.30 did with that flat front.

[@matttyreeoutdoors]

I'm definitely not sold on that particular 350 legend bullet. There should have been WAY more expansion than that. With a bullet that expanded like it should, the 350 legend would have probably shown extremely similar results to the 30-30. Either way, both are deer droppin' calibers

[@PassivePortfolios]

If the 350 does not expand it will just put a hole through a deer. Might work or it might not, but it will not dump all its energy in the target and could result in a wounded lost deer.

[@876mpr]

@@PassivePortfolios A bullet definitely doesn’t have to “dump” all its energy to be effective. Wide nosed cast bullets are devastating and go right through.

[@coupe50h]

Plus more blood trail if it goes through and through. Just saw a hunting vid where a 10mm pistol blew through a hog leaving the tree behind it with blood and matter on it, that pig dropped like 10 yards later.

[@876mpr]

@@coupe50h I killed two last fall. One dropped on the spot. The other went a few yards because my first shot was a little too far back. 305 grain WFN .44 magnum at 1230 fps. Should add that exit holes were nearly an inch in diameter.

[@readbtl3838]

@@PassivePortfolios I’ve shot 7 deer with my 350 legend. It has dropped every one of them in their tracks. Distances varied from 40 yards up to 178 yards. Proof is out there that it does it’s job and does it well

[@mpccenturion]

I have used milserps [ 9 to 14 #] for 45 yrs. 5 yrs ago, I bought a old beat up 94. I was welcomed with lesser recoil and lighter rifle. . I want my bullets expanding in the first Gel pak. What deer has a 36 inch chest. I hunt in 2 places - 1 - clear cuts - 200 to 300 yd shots, off a stand. Milserp is my go to. 2nd - woods - brush - 30 yds is as far as you can see. In thickets - I have stalked to 2 yds, and the deer froze - when he saw me. I let him go to grow bigger. I carry the 94 then. I match the rifle and cartridge - to the game.

[@johnpoole8321]

The hole in the pan was the clean hole below the one you pointed to. The others look like you shot them with the pan flipped on the other side. I Like how the metal looked like it made a fire when it got hit. Third shot spun around on the table lol. That's the one you found later on the ground. Like the mushroom on the 30-30.

[@grisslebear]

OH MY LORD!!! THAT SMOKE FARTING!!! I'M DONE ALL DEAD!!! 😂🤣💀😂🤣💀😂🤣💀😂🤣💀

[@oldgandy5355]

When you get ready to shoot a deer with the 350 you will need to find somebody to hold a book in front of it to prevent over penetration and avoid collateral damage on the far side.

[@neilposs4981]

If you had a werewolf book, you would have to shoot silver bullets.

[@redelfoutdoors9668]

You need to save shoulder blades from your deer size game so you have a good medium to shoot through. Great info as always

[@randalbigirvirvin1153]

That was pretty cool 😎 I was sitting here trying to tell ya that the one 350 Legend was on the ground. Lol

[@B0N3ZNP3WZ]

I love me some 350 legend. Got mine all ready for the pre rut. Thanks for the amazing content!

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Thanks for watching!

[@matthewbutcher203]

I suspect that the shape of the legend bullet combined with the low velocity is the reason they penetrate instead of expanding I suspect that hollow point pistol bullets loaded into the legend case would make the legend actually legendary

[@danielharrimansr773]

I found that the 150 grain Deer Season XP worked alot better than the 180 grain soft points . Harvested a nice small buck with the 150's last season out of an AR platform

[@kingfisher302]

Yep that is the round for that gun

[@scartifactsjeremyc6504]

In what way did they work better?? Like dropping deer or just accuracy?

[@kingfisher302]

@@scartifactsjeremyc6504 they shot flater and did massive damage on soft tissue

[@tylersmith8317]

I wish you would have posted the brand of bullet you used. It looks like the 180grn Winchester. VERY important to know the particular bullet, as the bullet design actually has more to do with the performance than the cartridge itself.

[@robertwies6806]

That Winchester 94 looks good in the woods.

[@nohandle257]

Is it not the case that the 350 legend was created to make it legal to hunt deer with a rifle in the states that restrict hunting to straight walled cases?

[@scottcooksey5284]

I think you're right about that. Some states also have an oal requirement too.

[@travisrolison9646]

@@scottcooksey5284 yep Michigan has to be straight wall with minimum caliber of .30 or .35 if I remember right. Also ,max case length that just is under a 45/70 sadly😢 It’s silly cuz a 450 bushmaster with right bullets goes just as or farther than 30/30. Also If you reload you can push those 450s harder as factory ammo is made for AR platform, bolt guns can take more. Some guys take game at 300 yds plus with it

[@HerkCC]

I believe most overlooked the overall penetration the .350 Legend....complaining about Expansion but the cavitation of the round through over 36" is very impressive. I would have no problem using it on elk or moose under 150 yds.

[@Nick-sx6jm]

That 350 legend didnt even expand past the body diameter. They need to use softer lead or a lighter bullet for more velocity to get it to expand. You dont want it to penetrate 5 feet when hunting deer, thats just wasted energy into the dirt when it could use that for more vital damage. Might as well use a FMJ.

[@sleeper.simulant7327]

Depends what ammo you use. I use the 170 grain Hornady American whitetail rounds over the 180 grain winchesters. From what I’ve seen the Hornady’s expand a quite bit better over the 180’s. Those 180’s wouldn’t be a bad bear defense round in an AR to be honest, with penetration like that I’d carry my Ruger MPR .350 AR in bear country…

[@scottcooksey5284]

You're exactly right.

[@frankgrillo8094]

I have the same rig & having tested all the available ammo , have found the 150gr deer season , the most devastating

[@toddk1377]

The 350L is a great deer caliber, this loading though, not so much. I would try this test again with some different 350 loadings.

[@NORTH_CAROLINA_REAPER]

1:33 thanks garand thumb, I'll never un-hear it.

[@frankpryor4839]

@ 5:25-5:30 you can see that 350 Legend bouncing down the table following off where you found it. 👌

[@mrhamburger6936]

Supposedly when you do a test like that with those ballistic gel blocks you're supposed to put some denim in front of block to simulate to get it to expand the bullet the problem is you don't shoot through a book or a steel pan when you shoot at a deer the bullet goes right through them it's exposed to expand inside them

[@PassivePortfolios]

Should have placed some leather and pork ribs in from of the gel blocks to make the testing more realistic if the round is to be used on game animals.

[@waynecastleman1363]

Awesome rifle setup , I like the 350 legend round quit a bit.

[@johnh4957]

your experience at using common objects as bullet expanders shows , I didn't think a cookie sheet would have any effect, ya proved me wrong as it showed the expansion of bullet passing through it well and also enough to stop the 30-30 after the gel block. 'Bobcat Forever' had a nice demonstration shooting 350 into a soda can filled with dry sand, was like a bomb exploded with big globe of sand(velocity is king), to bad he didn't try to capture it.

[@bobdixon4998]

The cyclic expulsion of the gasses from the gel in definitely measurable periods of time reminds me of the gass bag model of the universe. That model seems very true, however the weights in "grains"have to be upgraded considerably . and as well the propellant"bean's ".

[@3gunshooter60]

That 350 bullet probably would be a good hog load, but you should use a better expanding bullet for deer, in my opinion

[@jameshilbert4005]

I use the winchester 180 grain. It has dropped every deer for 3 years. Love my .350.

[@brainmeier3433]

You can see the 350 bullet bouncing on the table,I’m surprised you missed that

[@Rickkari7]

That was sweet. Big bullet.

[@WayStedYou]

You expect him to see it with his naked eyes? he isnt watching until he gets home.

[@Kaufeetimevideo]

Ammo manufacture? Length of barrel? Distance between shooter and target?

[@TingTingalingy]

Listening to this while taking a bath, thinking about getting my 350 legend ready for the hunting trip next weekend!

[@skay9443]

I just sold my 30-30 lever as it wasn't getting any love compared to my 350 Legend. That was an awesome video sir - just goes to show how much power the 350 has in terms of penetration. I honestly wasn't expecting it to not expand like the 30-30. The 350 is a great option where we hunt given that you seldom have more than a hundred metres visibility to play with, but the 30-30 will always be a classic in a lever gun. Keep them coming 😀

[@edeldridge36]

What is the load you used for the 350 Legend? ❓❓

[@czyhorse482]

The bullet you picked up at 10:02 was from the third shot, it bounced off the table at 5:25.

[@donl4914]

I just received my BCA 350 Legend upper, This is going to be a Hot Hog Collector...lol Been watching some of the reviews on this. My new HOG RIFLE is almost ready. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 Thanks for the Demo WhoTeeWho!!!! Now to get my new Scope. Any suggestions for an inexpensive Thermal Scope? This is going to be FUN!!!!!

[@PassivePortfolios]

Looks like the 350 Legend bullet failed to expand. The 30-30 bullet expanded however. The winner is the 30-30. It has better sectional density and ballistic coefficient as well. You need the meat target + the high tech fleece bullet stopper. Don't try this at home, I am what you'd call a professional !

[@of-Israel]

Not the calibers fault just need a better projectile

[@jameslindahl3024]

@@of-Israel and they made one. The Winchester copper impact 150 grain. Trajectory is almost identical to the cheap white box 145s, so inside 100 yards you can use the same scope zero. I got one this year, about 60 yards out. Perfect round little entry right through a rib bone, turned both lungs to absolute mush, exit hole was easy an inch wide. Deer ran maybe 30 yards and fell right over.

[@allenbrian72]

I have the 350 legend and I’ve owned a 30/30 and I’ll tell you this unless you have shot both for yourself the 350 legend is way better and more fun to shoot

[@PassivePortfolios]

That's a personal preference decision rather than an objective one. The 30-30 is superior to the 350 Legend in every way and the facts prove it.

[@of-Israel]

@@PassivePortfolios 😂 what's the facts though? It's not better, only when loaded with pointy bullets can it match 350 legend ballistics. There is only one manufacturer that makes them and ammo is way more available in 350 legend nowadays.

[@IrnMaiden304]

That 30-30 expanded nicely, that 350 legend is nice and every shot there was an explosion inside the gel which was cool, some powder went with it I guess. Never shot a 350, not sure if I'd want to use it in the woods, pass right though a white tail and keep going maybe 🤔.

[@ronsamborski6230]

On a broadside shot through the lungs, in one side and out the other side will have that deer down and dead in short order. Plus an easy to follow blood trail too. 🦌

[@IrnMaiden304]

@@ronsamborski6230 I'm more worried about what's beyond the animal, most places around me you're not really going much farther then 100 yards if it all, and there is alot of people out in those same woods at any given time, some come from other neighboring states. Seeing that 350 smoke through both gel blocks, and what it took to slow it down enough, along with what I said previously about many people out in the woods at any given time and possible close distances, that's what I mean by that, not about what it'll do to an animal.

[@ronsamborski6230]

@@IrnMaiden304 OK, I understand your concern. Best wishes for a successful hunting season whenever and wherever you go. 🦌

[@gunsnwater2668]

Not powder getting inside gell, compression causes the explosion.

[@donnysanner342]

I wonder if Winchester designed that bullet to penetrate like that "or" if they failed miserably with the bullet design ? That shooting was done at point blank range...at 100 yards the results are gonna be even worse....it does however drop deer like a hammer. And the winner is....the tried and true 30-30.... Pls do the same test but this time compare the legend to the 35 Remington. Thanks for a great vid brother

[@1Whitetail]

Still debating on the 350, I like the fact I can use it in Ohio or other states that are restricted. But I like a bullet to expand quick and still exit. Here in Eastern Ky I haven't seen any deer over 36 inches thick and carrying a book like War and Peace to slow it down. Good video with good camera work, thanks WTW

[@deltabravo1811]

The sp appears to be barrier blind like the 62/64 in .223/5.56; good for shooting a deer through the wall of your house. Can't remember ever seeing a wound cavity belching that much gun smoke out of an entry wound. Good show, who-tee!

[@secretagents7885]

I use the Great Lakes 18 inch barrel AR and have used Hornady,Federal and Winchester in all grains available and by far the best damage done on 10+ deer i have killed is the Winchester Season XP 150 gr ballistic tip hands down. FPS are over 2300 and flat ass accurate out to 200 yards on my set up. The only advantage of any of the 170 to 180 gr loads is increases penetration vs the 150 gr but the 170,180 lack expansion which is the claim to fame of the 150 gr.

[@DrewishAF]

This basically sold me on assembling my next upper as a 350 Legend. The ammo isn't _crazy_ expensive, but it definitely looks like a thumper that's legal for deer hunting in my state. For whatever reason, you can't use a 30-30 here during deer season but the 350 is apparently fine 🤷🏻 It definitely seems like a good all-around mid-range rifle cartridge and you're not really giving up too much in the way of capacity from a 5.56. It's not quite as versatile as 300 Blackout from a loading perspective, but it's probably more useful for us lowly civilians. Plus, if I want a quiet suppressed rifle putting down around 450lb•ft of energy on target, I'd just go with a 9mm upper. And the AR platform is so ubiquitous that you could use the same lower with a dozen differently built uppers...

[@badass441000]

The first part of the 3rd shot in the slow motion shot it showed the bullet dropping off the table

[@jamesmikesell5458]

Thank you for the test I've been wanting a long time for this video. It answered all my?

[@NELLY-jg2rx]

You need to use the "Paul Harrell New and Improved high tech fleece bullet stop"

[@chrisdykstra9890]

The first shot through the book bounced out right by the table on slow mo cam

[@jamiesmith5394]

I think the .350 wouldn't penetrate so much if it mushroomed more, the .30x.30 has a better fps. Or mushroom Can tell it's power dump was better on slow mode.

[@rreeves0710]

350 legend coulda been a legend if they used .357 cal slugs. Would have been so many neat and cheap load options... But nah.... Its a neat concept and a good round, but I am pretty sure a .300blk or 6.5grendel or x39 can serve any purpose this round does.

[@travisrolison9646]

I don’t know they didn’t , like a 357 on steroids. Same with bushmaster why not go .44 and use all the 44 mag bullets that can handle more power? As is I love my bushmaster shooting 45 bullets on the cheap for plinking or such but getting stronger hunting bullets for deer is tough and only limited supply and expensive. In Michigan both 350 legend and 450 bush are popular since it’s legal in limited fire arm zones. Much better than slugs or buckshot. Wish they would have made 30-30 legal, silly it isn’t the bushmaster can actually shoot further. If you reload your can really push them as factory loads are made for AR rifles and bolt guns can be pushed harder. Some people are taking deer at 300 plus yards

[@rreeves0710]

@@travisrolison9646 Right. .350 legend is just that, a .35 caliber, so a specific thing. That is what makes me mad at it.... Its like .2 off of taking standard slugs that you can get anywhere.

[@joeyphillips1181]

350 would be good for bear protection with all that penetration

[@timg7627]

Well done Sir. Another really fun video 👍

[@tomlanore4283]

The 35 legend bullet you found on the ground was the 3rd shot. You can see the bullet tumble off the back stop toward the front block then tumbled off from the middle of the blocks.

[@SuperSaltydog77]

Many states, including mine, now allow rifles to be used in deer hunting but the cartridge must be a straight wall cartridge, no bottleneck cartridges. I would keep shopping for another bullet design with better expansion

[@EAZY-ME]

Whooteewhoo!!! Haha you found the bullet that bounced. Thank you for the content!!

[@jameseroh6544]

The biggest problem with the 30-30 is ammo supply! Very hard to find. I can buy 350 Legend, 6.5 Creedmore, 270 Win, and 308 every time I go shopping.

[@raifsevrence]

60 different listings for 30-30 on the aggregator. Buying ammo at a brick and mortar is as outdated as black powder and a whole lot less fun.

[@jameseroh6544]

@@raifsevrence That may be true where you live. But no online retailer will send ammo to my address. When I have traveled to Utah, Idaho, or Virginia. I could buy all the ammo I wanted. But still no 30-30. If Henry or one of the other lever gun manufacturers. Would make a lever gun in 350 Legend. I wouldn't worry about it. I saw a story that a Winchester representative said the 350 Legend is the new 30-30.

[@auntiefiat9769]

@@jameseroh6544 LOL...the 30-30 has been "replaced" a number of times in the past almost 130 years. Still here and still getting it done! :)

[@echosierra9990]

You can occasionally find .30-30 online, but never in store. The calibers I can find in any store I walk into are: .223/5.56, 6.5 Creedmore, .308, and 350 Legend. .223 is the cheapest, then 350 Legend, 6.5, then .308. I’ll take $30 a box for 350 Legend over $50 a box for .308 any day. You know you’ve made it big in the ammo world when Walmart always has your caliber in stock!

[@MrStampeede]

30-30 my fav.

[@johntownley9885]

I would love to see this same test at 100 yards just to see if expansion and penetration is same or not.

[@auntiefiat9769]

That particular Legend load probably won't expand at all at 100 yards.

[@johnq.public1776]

The social regressive channel has a playlist of 350 lgnd in gel at 100 and 200 yds

[@guardianminifarm8005]

I go 30-30 over 350 Legend as a deer round. But the 30-30 isn't offered in an AR. It has the advantage there. Maybe the 300 Hammer is a better comparison for the 350 Legend.

[@DinoNucci]

No

[@guardianminifarm8005]

@@DinoNucci Is the Hammer superior to the Legend or the reverse. I have heard that the goal of the Hammer was to mimick the 30/30 power in an AR platform.

[@DinoNucci]

@@guardianminifarm8005 ... It's one of those things that exist but nobody asked for

[@guardianminifarm8005]

@@DinoNucci Oh boy.... that's funny. Appreciate the good humor. May be true. I only heard it was a bit more power than the 300 BO. But I don't have any experience with the Legend either. Some folk are really happy with theirs. So that is good. Happy hunting for you & yours.

[@johnkellmer5133]

That kind of penetration could make a good elk round. If I put your video together with "The Firearm Guy" video about 350 legend bullet drop, I'm thinking this is a seriously underestimated cartridge.

[@MarcosCaminante]

The 350 needs a pistol type bullet at those velocities. Not much expansion and not enough frontal area in comparison to 44 mag, 45 Colt, 45-70 (bigger bore stuff that doesn’t rely on expansion to do its business). Great video.

[@donbenson5292]

Who Tee, I found something out about some seater dies, Lee and Hornady. I had some 145 gr fmj and 180 winchesters pp. Take your seater plug and see if it bottoms out on the tip before it contacts the ogive? The 165 flex tips and 170s were okay.

[@edwardh1591]

I will keep my 30-30

[@PlasticRocket2]

.350 is more for people who cant use rounds like the .30-30 anyways.

[@mk-xh6jt]

And I as well

[@ravissary79]

Why wouldn't you? This doesn't replace it, it mimicks aspects of the performance while: Taking 9mm bullets Firing from an AR Is usable and effective in straight walled hunting states Actually allows for use of double stack feeding and lighter recoil than classic AR thumper rounds, like 450 BM.

[@REPR100]

Why not have both, 30-30 for lever 350 for AR

[@Grisbane]

I would rather use the 30-30. This state I can not. .350 legend i can and an upper is cheaper than a whole new rifle

[@shanevonharten3100]

The 350 projectile seemed very hard compared to the 30-30.

[@auntiefiat9769]

The 30-30 is impacting at a good bit higher velocity, as well.

[@of-Israel]

@@auntiefiat9769 but it's not lol 🤣 you ever look at the ballistics you can't just look at the brass and assume

[@kennethbranamensr1759]

Gee that 350 is mighty potent . I wonder how it would do on body armor. Nice presentation on this round. Thank you.

[@denicewilliams1792]

I love the content and enjoy watching the videos and have been watching for years. I always thought he sounds like he's out of breath during his videos. If it's not a medical condition you should probably consider doing some cardio exercises even involve others to make it more fun. I know you're 6'6" so your not a small guy but we need you to stay healthy and keep giving us great content.

[@mikemortensen4973]

Wow, that .35 is a super-over-penetrator!!

[@kevinwixson4405]

Something else that works well....and I use one behind my water jugs...an old soft body armor vest! Keep up the good work!!

[@sethwaggoner6497]

There was a big difference in bullet construction between the two calibers. The 30-30 is a tried and true caliber for deer killin'! No doubt the 350 would do the same, but needs a better bullet for maximum expansion.

[@TheTonygong]

Crazy results. Never would have guessed

[@ryantyler2882]

got a 30-30 marlin and a 450 bushmaster ar...they both work awesomely on game...took 2 big oinkers with the 30-30 and it just drops them big'ns in their tracks...love that 30-30, inside 150 yds it's a tack driver...the bushmaster is a beast in it's own...inside 150 it's a sledge hammer wherever it lands...knocks it dead...haven't tried the 350, but having both the 30-30 lever and 450 ar, I see no need to add another cartridge...anyways, I love levers and mine is already tacked out with foregrips, trigger, lever and polished action...it seems that whenever I bring her out to the range or hunting trip, someone eagerly picks her up for a few dry runs...

[@jerryleebechtel]

I shot a white tale deer with 350 legend at 120 yards blew clean through the deer and the exit hole was the size of a 20 gauge slug . Very impressive 300 yard rd

[@Kratos_God_of_50_BMG]

My first exposure to 30-30 was when I bought my Mossberg 464 SPX. I know, Mossberg made a "tactical" Lever Action. Who knew right?! Anywho, it was the time I'd even seen 30-30, and wanted to hunt deer with it. What a weird freakin' rifle this thing is!

[@mr.pitt1]

I also own the Mossberg 464 30-30. Its a interesting gun and i love it.

[@Kratos_God_of_50_BMG]

@@mr.pitt1 did you buy yours to hunt, or for your house?

[@mr.pitt1]

@@Kratos_God_of_50_BMG I bought it to hunt, i use it alot whitetail hunting in the northwoods here in upper midwest. It is a excellent gun for tracking deer which is a method i do every year. I do also stand hunt with it. Its a very safe gun and unique in the fact that you can have to hammer cocked in the ready position to fire but have the thumb safety to use. It has proved to be a very easy to carry fun to hunt with and deadly weapon on deer.

[@mr.pitt1]

@@Kratos_God_of_50_BMG but sure home defense too and mobile defense haha. It finds itself in my pickup every time im in the woods for hunting, cutting firewood, whatever reason. I like the old fashioned gun in the pickup truck back window. You never know when you might need a boomstick. its a light compact gun for that.

[@Kratos_God_of_50_BMG]

@@mr.pitt1 I understand. I like my Mossberg Shockwave for the "truck gun" because it has the best of both worlds. Compact, and it brings the BOOM with it!

[@lmnhd1971]

Great video.. How about 350 Legend vs 35 Remington through gel blocks or paper plates ? I have a Marlin 336 in 35 Rem but I’m looking at a 350 legend to fit into primitive season in Mississippi, fits the requirements of 35 cal or larger, single shot breech loading firearm. That way our deer season gains a few more days and does.. keep up the great videos..

[@chrisrayburn]

Great video who tee. I'm gonna have to buy a 350 legend.

[@DeanMk1]

I think your results are showing that the .350 Legend rounds you fired were not matched to the bullet used in that round, thus it lacked expansion. The lack of expansion put less resistence against the bullet as it traveled through the medium, allowing it to bleed off energy slower, thus it penetrated deeper. The .30-30 round you fired was better matched to the bullet, so the energy bled off sooner because the bullet expanded the way it was supposed to. It also appears the .30-30 bullet expanded to a much greater degree than the .350 Legend bullet did. Yes, penetration wasn't as deep with the .30-30, but it looks like it made it through at least one of those blocks, so even with (probably) around .300" more frontal area, it still penetrated at least 18", before that cookie sheet stopped it. Had the .350 Legend been loaded with a bullet better matched to the power of that round, I believe you would've noted similar results as you achieved with the .30-30.

[@bigtrev761]

🇦🇺😎👍The ole smokin entry point on the jelly contraption 😀….wow that’s down rite nasty… good science big fella👍

[@kirkwhitaker6422]

I am questioning those 350 bullets....they should be providing some more expansion...the 350s are not "shocking" the block. They are acting more liking more like more swc bullets. Try a different bullet and see what it does.

[@18jeepsrt74]

I shot a deer this year at about 50yds with the 180s and it was devastating... was able to recover the bullet and expansion was much better than this experiment proved. That said 150s may be better based on many opinions... i havent tried them.

[@nathankirkland86]

That 350 legend projectile would be nice for wild hogs for sure. Seems to be a nice deep driver. I have a rifle and an X frame in .350 Legend and I love it.. it makes me think of the .357 maximum that didn't really take off... or the .360 Dan wesson neat. I still love my 30-30 too of course.

[@shanep6528]

the 180 seems to work the best on my 16 inch Faxon ar my barrel doesn't like the 145 or 150 grains

[@FodderForFreedom]

124gr Hornady XTP has wonderful expansion in deer. You may have to load your own as I don't believe these are commercially available.

[@waynereid9881]

This is what I wanted to see 👀 awesome work!

[@FrankLadd]

Great comparison! So If my 30-30 gets lost in a boating accident I can replace with an AR type rifle in 350 legend for less than I can buy a new Japanese Winchester Model 1894. I wonder if any of these AR rifles are made in the USA?

[@robertsmith2491]

I think I will stick with my 30-30, larger wound cavity. And it's been proven for plenty of years to deliver meat to the table.

[@DinoNucci]

No

[@scottcooksey5284]

@@DinoNucci yeah,,, the 30-30 Winchester has taking more deer than any other round, ever.

[@DinoNucci]

@@scottcooksey5284 no

[@scottcooksey5284]

@@DinoNucci are you giving your own posts the thumbs up? LOL ain't nobody going to disagree with the 30-30 taking more deer in the deerwoods than any other round, EVER.

[@DinoNucci]

@@scottcooksey5284 wrong

[@jasonsliger5430]

I'll stick with the 30-30. I know what it'll do!

[@jonminer9891]

Hi, WTW. I had an idea. Put a block of clay between the two gel blocks. Anyway, thanks for sharing! Stay healthy!

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Good idea