350 Legend vs 30-30 in Ballistics Gel

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[@isellcatlitter]

i'm surprised that those 350 legend bullets did not expand, the one you found on the ground was definitely the 3rd shot, you can see it dancing on the table before falling off in the slow mo...

[@olegakhapkin4318]

No surprise. Expansion is becoming less when you shoot through rigid target first. Just try to shoot SP bullet to wooden log.

[@wdtaut5650]

@@olegakhapkin4318 Ha! When I first read it, I thought it said "wooden leg'.

[@JAlapeck]

You need a high tech fleece fabric bullet catch behind your gel blocks. Works for Paul.

[@grahambamford9073]

Different KZbinr...... Only a nasty pink 1980s blanket for this guy.... 😜

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Whootee, I'd sure learn more if you'd tell us a bit about the construction of the bullets. Those 350 Legend slugs appear to be more of a controlled expansion bullet than the 30-30 you shot. Do they have harder lead cores, thicker jackets or what? Can you gel test various 350 Legend bullets? Thanks man! Keep up the entertaining videos.

[@YellowHammer26]

Don’t know a lot about the 350 legend but the 30-30 is a deer slayer. Also love a lever action. Thanks wtw 👍👍

[@grisslebear]

You only say that because of the literal hundreds of thousands of deer the .30-30 has rehomed into freezers.

[@ronsamborski6230]

@@grisslebear For as long as the.30/30 has been around, that number is probably in the millions. 🦌🦌🦌🦌🦌🦌🦌🦌🦌 👍🏽

[@grisslebear]

@@ronsamborski6230 Yup. Most likely.

[@TheExplosiveGuy]

30-30 is the goat of deer cartridges, it just works. And you can't _not_ like a lever rifle, so when you combine the two you have a rifle everyone should own, my Marlin 30-30 is one of my most cherished rifles. If I'm going and shooting out to 500-600+ yards I'll take the 30-06 or .308 but anything under that is just fine for a 30-30.

[@YellowHammer26]

@@TheExplosiveGuy 👍👍yep

[@nikbloom2616]

30-30 in my opinion is a great all around rifle

[@Tomcat1957]

In many states, they replaced the muzzleloading/black powder season with alternate weapons season and allow a strait wall round. That's why I'm here thinking about the 350 legend and the 3030 isn't legal for the new season.

[@PewPewGuy85]

I love my Ruger American in 350 Legend and glad you showed off the results of the round through the gel. It is an awesome round to use.

[@frankbrowning328]

There's nothing wrong with the overal design of the 350 Legend cartridge. The bullet designers need to spend more time designing bullets that provide the best ballance between penetration and expansion. I just watched a video where a guy had all copper 140 gr bullets loaded to over 2300 fps. This may be a good path for finding that ballance

[@thetman0068]

Good thing with 350 Legend is that, because it's a 35 caliber, you can experiment with heavy revolver bullets in .357 or .358 caliber. I'd reckon a lead round nose or semi-jacketed-flat-point would do great in certain situations, if you do a little experimentation with the loads. Presuming you're a reloader of course.

[@elvinirons5959]

I’ve got a Ruger American in 350 legend short barrel n I love it so far, I shoot 170 Hornady whitetail bullets n they been doing great for deer n the Recoil of the gun is totally awesome n it’s so light to carry n handle, I’d be hard pressed to carry a different gun myself !! Great video 👏👏👍🏼

[@francisbarbeau1862]

I would love to see a 35 Rem Vs. 350 legend!!

[@Lauterbach24]

@@danrunner84 that isn't even close to being a fair comparison. The 35 Whelen is a necked up '06.

[@edeldridge36]

@@Lauterbach24 Yep. Why compare a necked up 223 Remington to a necked up 30-06?

[@dr.froghopper6711]

I agree! 35 Remington is superior!

[@toddk1377]

@@dr.froghopper6711 Within 100 yards, all day long. Beyond that, the velocity drops down so low the bullet does what this 350 loading is doing, barely mushrooms out and just makes a 35 caliber hole. With a good loading the 350 is capable of good expansion and wound cavitation out too 200 yards and can be shot further but the terminal performance drops off. I've used both, the 35 was an awesome caliber and loved shooting it out of my 81 Remington Woods master, but now days 35 is harder to find and expensive where the 350 isn't. Then again, who am I kidding, everything seems difficult and expensive compared to a few years ago 🤷

[@joelmcmahan7386]

I see lots of hunters going with the 350 legend for deer hunting. I hear the recoil isn’t bad from this straight wall bin bang. This CMMG setup is a good looking accurate boo lot slinger. Thanks for more good information from your great videos Mr Who Tee Who. The 30/30 is a great looking bing bang too. I’ve taken several bear and a few deer with the 30/30 and both are fine tools for hunting. 💪🏽🎥💯👍🙏🏻

[@montyherren26]

30-30 for my vote . That 350 legend bullet acts like a hardcast . Load the 30-30 with hardcast and see what it penetrates. I'll bet it about the same as the 350.

[@DinoNucci]

No

[@PassivePortfolios]

Never had a 30-30 bullet fail to expand in deer and hogs, even when using the cheapest ammo available. If using the 350 it is critical to find ammo with bullets which expand.

[@adamwright4969]

Buddy of mine got a deer with his 350 legend last year, thereunder does better than I ever thought it would. That said, I've never seen a 30 30 170 gun corlokt recovery from a deer all pass through. Thanks for the video and God bless

[@brainmeier3433]

You can see the 350 bullet bouncing on the table,I’m surprised you missed that

[@Rickkari7]

That was sweet. Big bullet.

[@WayStedYou]

You expect him to see it with his naked eyes? he isnt watching until he gets home.

[@jamesmikesell5458]

Thank you for the test I've been wanting a long time for this video. It answered all my?

[@pbeardy]

Great video! The 350 seems like a very good hog slayer. I have five .30-.30’s so I will be staying in that caliber. I do love these comparisons though, keep up the great work!

[@dougmarshall5504]

Yes the 350 legend 180 grain is an absolute hog slayer , all 3 never took a step . I went with it just because of the low recoil and ar platform I prefer . Either way you can’t go wrong

[@B0N3ZNP3WZ]

I love me some 350 legend. Got mine all ready for the pre rut. Thanks for the amazing content!

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Thanks for watching!

[@mrmatt7210]

There are a few things I look for in a hunting bullet. To be clear, I wish to see expansion, penetration and repeatable accuracy. With this being said it would appear this particular 350 Legend bullet delivers at least one of the three. For what it's worth I would rather hunt with the 30-30 as its expansion was excellent and the penetration was suitable to provide an exit wound

[@auntiefiat9769]

Agree 100%

[@mid-misage3416]

Not sold on the lead tipped bullets for the .350 Legend for deer hunting after that. Hollow points will be the way to go. Really like the 30/30 comparison.

[@sog4646]

Bullet options are still limited for the .350, unless you reload with custom bullets. I got a .375 winchester to try this year.

[@chrisb18civic18]

The deer season xp 180 expansion is quite good on deer my daughter took a buck with it and I found the bullet just under the skin opposite side and it expanded quite a bit more than this test.

[@matttyreeoutdoors]

I'm definitely not sold on that particular 350 legend bullet. There should have been WAY more expansion than that. With a bullet that expanded like it should, the 350 legend would have probably shown extremely similar results to the 30-30. Either way, both are deer droppin' calibers

[@PassivePortfolios]

If the 350 does not expand it will just put a hole through a deer. Might work or it might not, but it will not dump all its energy in the target and could result in a wounded lost deer.

[@876mpr]

@@PassivePortfolios A bullet definitely doesn’t have to “dump” all its energy to be effective. Wide nosed cast bullets are devastating and go right through.

[@coupe50h]

Plus more blood trail if it goes through and through. Just saw a hunting vid where a 10mm pistol blew through a hog leaving the tree behind it with blood and matter on it, that pig dropped like 10 yards later.

[@876mpr]

@@coupe50h I killed two last fall. One dropped on the spot. The other went a few yards because my first shot was a little too far back. 305 grain WFN .44 magnum at 1230 fps. Should add that exit holes were nearly an inch in diameter.

[@readbtl3838]

@@PassivePortfolios I’ve shot 7 deer with my 350 legend. It has dropped every one of them in their tracks. Distances varied from 40 yards up to 178 yards. Proof is out there that it does it’s job and does it well

[@chrissewell1608]

For the .350 Legend to be (originally) compared to the 30/30, in ballistics. It seems to have a lot more penetration, and foot pounds of force. I think a line of water jugs may be needed to catch these bullets, next time. I want to see those hollow points, and ballistic tipped bullets, expansion vs. the soft points. But either gun and round will take down big game efficiently. Thanks for another awesome video!

[@rre9121]

It really could have to do with using clear ballistics stuff instead of actual gel. Other testers have seen the same thing happen with other calibers.

[@kyle18934]

they expanded very poorly. I was expecting what the 30.30 did with that flat front.

[@randalbigirvirvin1153]

That was pretty cool 😎 I was sitting here trying to tell ya that the one 350 Legend was on the ground. Lol

[@timg7627]

Well done Sir. Another really fun video 👍

[@kanakamaoli9642]

That 3rd shot furthest right went through every thing hit the red blanket and bounced back on the table then fell on the ground the slow mo camera caught it all.

[@neilposs4981]

If you had a werewolf book, you would have to shoot silver bullets.

[@waynereid9881]

This is what I wanted to see 👀 awesome work!

[@redelfoutdoors9668]

You need to save shoulder blades from your deer size game so you have a good medium to shoot through. Great info as always

[@timrobertson299]

WOW! great video! I'm sold on the 350 Legend round, I thought for sure the 30 30 round would have been the more powerful cartridge. however I'm surprised that the 350 Legend didn't have a bit more expansion.

[@johnpoole8321]

The hole in the pan was the clean hole below the one you pointed to. The others look like you shot them with the pan flipped on the other side. I Like how the metal looked like it made a fire when it got hit. Third shot spun around on the table lol. That's the one you found later on the ground. Like the mushroom on the 30-30.

[@waynecastleman1363]

Awesome rifle setup , I like the 350 legend round quit a bit.

[@Nick-sx6jm]

That 350 legend didnt even expand past the body diameter. They need to use softer lead or a lighter bullet for more velocity to get it to expand. You dont want it to penetrate 5 feet when hunting deer, thats just wasted energy into the dirt when it could use that for more vital damage. Might as well use a FMJ.

[@sleeper.simulant7327]

Depends what ammo you use. I use the 170 grain Hornady American whitetail rounds over the 180 grain winchesters. From what I’ve seen the Hornady’s expand a quite bit better over the 180’s. Those 180’s wouldn’t be a bad bear defense round in an AR to be honest, with penetration like that I’d carry my Ruger MPR .350 AR in bear country…

[@scottcooksey5284]

You're exactly right.

[@nohandle257]

Is it not the case that the 350 legend was created to make it legal to hunt deer with a rifle in the states that restrict hunting to straight walled cases?

[@scottcooksey5284]

I think you're right about that. Some states also have an oal requirement too.

[@travisrolison9646]

@@scottcooksey5284 yep Michigan has to be straight wall with minimum caliber of .30 or .35 if I remember right. Also ,max case length that just is under a 45/70 sadly😢 It’s silly cuz a 450 bushmaster with right bullets goes just as or farther than 30/30. Also If you reload you can push those 450s harder as factory ammo is made for AR platform, bolt guns can take more. Some guys take game at 300 yds plus with it

[@donnysanner342]

I wonder if Winchester designed that bullet to penetrate like that "or" if they failed miserably with the bullet design ? That shooting was done at point blank range...at 100 yards the results are gonna be even worse....it does however drop deer like a hammer. And the winner is....the tried and true 30-30.... Pls do the same test but this time compare the legend to the 35 Remington. Thanks for a great vid brother

[@oldgandy5355]

When you get ready to shoot a deer with the 350 you will need to find somebody to hold a book in front of it to prevent over penetration and avoid collateral damage on the far side.

[@chrislang5659]

Not what I expected. Great video sir!

[@matthewbutcher203]

I suspect that the shape of the legend bullet combined with the low velocity is the reason they penetrate instead of expanding I suspect that hollow point pistol bullets loaded into the legend case would make the legend actually legendary

[@1Whitetail]

Still debating on the 350, I like the fact I can use it in Ohio or other states that are restricted. But I like a bullet to expand quick and still exit. Here in Eastern Ky I haven't seen any deer over 36 inches thick and carrying a book like War and Peace to slow it down. Good video with good camera work, thanks WTW

[@donl4914]

I just received my BCA 350 Legend upper, This is going to be a Hot Hog Collector...lol Been watching some of the reviews on this. My new HOG RIFLE is almost ready. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 Thanks for the Demo WhoTeeWho!!!! Now to get my new Scope. Any suggestions for an inexpensive Thermal Scope? This is going to be FUN!!!!!

[@mpccenturion]

I have used milserps [ 9 to 14 #] for 45 yrs. 5 yrs ago, I bought a old beat up 94. I was welcomed with lesser recoil and lighter rifle. . I want my bullets expanding in the first Gel pak. What deer has a 36 inch chest. I hunt in 2 places - 1 - clear cuts - 200 to 300 yd shots, off a stand. Milserp is my go to. 2nd - woods - brush - 30 yds is as far as you can see. In thickets - I have stalked to 2 yds, and the deer froze - when he saw me. I let him go to grow bigger. I carry the 94 then. I match the rifle and cartridge - to the game.

[@brsmith2801]

Enjoyed the video. Keepem coming!

[@robertwies6806]

That Winchester 94 looks good in the woods.

[@MrStampeede]

30-30 my fav.

[@ralphgreenjr.2466]

I have used the 30-30 for over 50 years and it always does the job. When the .350 Legend came out I bought one and won one. I have taken 8 deer with it, all one shot drop on the spot. I have used Winchester 150gr, Browning 155 gr, and my 165 gr Hornady bullets. All expand well and pass through. I really love the 165 gr best at about 2250 fps.

[@johnshields9110]

In general, what ranges did you use the 30-30 and 350 Legend ? I killed a memorable buck with a 30-30 that I shot a little too far back and had to do some tracking in the fog. I have picked up '50 era 94, that I want to use for old time sakes. Would it do the job at 200 yard if placed properly (I got this one field). I over gunned on whitetails for years after that. Thanks. Mine likes 150 gr Remington loads. I use a 170 gr load years ago; doubt it expanded much.

[@ralphgreenjr.2466]

@@johnshields9110 My 30-30 Winchester has a Marbles peep site, most shots 100 yards. My .350 legends are both scoped and zeroed for 200 yards. To date my long shot with a .350 legend has been about 125 yards quartering to me. I shoot 165 gr with the .350 and 170 gr with the 30-30, both my handloads.

[@johnshields9110]

@@ralphgreenjr.2466 Thanks for the response! Mine has a time period corect LER 3/4 inch Weaver scope. 2 1/2x. It was sighted in for 200 yards; I guess whoever owned it had big field he was watching too.

[@jameshilbert4005]

I use the winchester 180 grain. It has dropped every deer for 3 years. Love my .350.

[@EAZY-ME]

Whooteewhoo!!! Haha you found the bullet that bounced. Thank you for the content!!

[@kennethbranamensr1759]

Gee that 350 is mighty potent . I wonder how it would do on body armor. Nice presentation on this round. Thank you.

[@TingTingalingy]

Listening to this while taking a bath, thinking about getting my 350 legend ready for the hunting trip next weekend!

[@NELLY-jg2rx]

You need to use the "Paul Harrell New and Improved high tech fleece bullet stop"

[@kevinwixson4405]

Something else that works well....and I use one behind my water jugs...an old soft body armor vest! Keep up the good work!!

[@chrisrayburn]

Great video who tee. I'm gonna have to buy a 350 legend.

[@publicdefender77]

I appreciate your videos! Thanks

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Thanks for watching!

[@NORTH_CAROLINA_REAPER]

1:33 thanks garand thumb, I'll never un-hear it.

[@bobdixon4998]

The cyclic expulsion of the gasses from the gel in definitely measurable periods of time reminds me of the gass bag model of the universe. That model seems very true, however the weights in "grains"have to be upgraded considerably . and as well the propellant"bean's ".

[@Dwayne7834]

Good video and gel test.

[@TheTonygong]

Crazy results. Never would have guessed

[@joeyphillips1181]

350 would be good for bear protection with all that penetration

[@danielharrimansr773]

I found that the 150 grain Deer Season XP worked alot better than the 180 grain soft points . Harvested a nice small buck with the 150's last season out of an AR platform

[@kingfisher302]

Yep that is the round for that gun

[@scartifactsjeremyc6504]

In what way did they work better?? Like dropping deer or just accuracy?

[@kingfisher302]

@@scartifactsjeremyc6504 they shot flater and did massive damage on soft tissue

[@3gunshooter60]

That 350 bullet probably would be a good hog load, but you should use a better expanding bullet for deer, in my opinion

[@charliebilicki6827]

I. Glad I seen this vido I was thinking about a 350 . Not after what I ceen . I been out service for 8 years . I don't need anything like this . But if I do that's y I have a ar 15 55.6 and a 243 ar and a 308 ar . I'm not impressed for a hunting round u rock I love ur videos

[@denicewilliams1792]

I love the content and enjoy watching the videos and have been watching for years. I always thought he sounds like he's out of breath during his videos. If it's not a medical condition you should probably consider doing some cardio exercises even involve others to make it more fun. I know you're 6'6" so your not a small guy but we need you to stay healthy and keep giving us great content.

[@toddk1377]

The 350L is a great deer caliber, this loading though, not so much. I would try this test again with some different 350 loadings.

[@grisslebear]

OH MY LORD!!! THAT SMOKE FARTING!!! I'M DONE ALL DEAD!!! 😂🤣💀😂🤣💀😂🤣💀😂🤣💀

[@rreeves0710]

350 legend coulda been a legend if they used .357 cal slugs. Would have been so many neat and cheap load options... But nah.... Its a neat concept and a good round, but I am pretty sure a .300blk or 6.5grendel or x39 can serve any purpose this round does.

[@travisrolison9646]

I don’t know they didn’t , like a 357 on steroids. Same with bushmaster why not go .44 and use all the 44 mag bullets that can handle more power? As is I love my bushmaster shooting 45 bullets on the cheap for plinking or such but getting stronger hunting bullets for deer is tough and only limited supply and expensive. In Michigan both 350 legend and 450 bush are popular since it’s legal in limited fire arm zones. Much better than slugs or buckshot. Wish they would have made 30-30 legal, silly it isn’t the bushmaster can actually shoot further. If you reload your can really push them as factory loads are made for AR rifles and bolt guns can be pushed harder. Some people are taking deer at 300 plus yards

[@rreeves0710]

@@travisrolison9646 Right. .350 legend is just that, a .35 caliber, so a specific thing. That is what makes me mad at it.... Its like .2 off of taking standard slugs that you can get anywhere.

[@frankgrillo8094]

I have the same rig & having tested all the available ammo , have found the 150gr deer season , the most devastating

[@secretagents7885]

I use the Great Lakes 18 inch barrel AR and have used Hornady,Federal and Winchester in all grains available and by far the best damage done on 10+ deer i have killed is the Winchester Season XP 150 gr ballistic tip hands down. FPS are over 2300 and flat ass accurate out to 200 yards on my set up. The only advantage of any of the 170 to 180 gr loads is increases penetration vs the 150 gr but the 170,180 lack expansion which is the claim to fame of the 150 gr.

[@johnh4957]

your experience at using common objects as bullet expanders shows , I didn't think a cookie sheet would have any effect, ya proved me wrong as it showed the expansion of bullet passing through it well and also enough to stop the 30-30 after the gel block. 'Bobcat Forever' had a nice demonstration shooting 350 into a soda can filled with dry sand, was like a bomb exploded with big globe of sand(velocity is king), to bad he didn't try to capture it.

[@deltabravo1811]

The sp appears to be barrier blind like the 62/64 in .223/5.56; good for shooting a deer through the wall of your house. Can't remember ever seeing a wound cavity belching that much gun smoke out of an entry wound. Good show, who-tee!

[@reapergrim76]

Great stuff! 👍

[@lmnhd1971]

Great video.. How about 350 Legend vs 35 Remington through gel blocks or paper plates ? I have a Marlin 336 in 35 Rem but I’m looking at a 350 legend to fit into primitive season in Mississippi, fits the requirements of 35 cal or larger, single shot breech loading firearm. That way our deer season gains a few more days and does.. keep up the great videos..

[@tylersmith8317]

I wish you would have posted the brand of bullet you used. It looks like the 180grn Winchester. VERY important to know the particular bullet, as the bullet design actually has more to do with the performance than the cartridge itself.

[@donbenson5292]

Who Tee, I found something out about some seater dies, Lee and Hornady. I had some 145 gr fmj and 180 winchesters pp. Take your seater plug and see if it bottoms out on the tip before it contacts the ogive? The 165 flex tips and 170s were okay.

[@drewishaf]

This basically sold me on assembling my next upper as a 350 Legend. The ammo isn't _crazy_ expensive, but it definitely looks like a thumper that's legal for deer hunting in my state. For whatever reason, you can't use a 30-30 here during deer season but the 350 is apparently fine 🤷🏻 It definitely seems like a good all-around mid-range rifle cartridge and you're not really giving up too much in the way of capacity from a 5.56. It's not quite as versatile as 300 Blackout from a loading perspective, but it's probably more useful for us lowly civilians. Plus, if I want a quiet suppressed rifle putting down around 450lb•ft of energy on target, I'd just go with a 9mm upper. And the AR platform is so ubiquitous that you could use the same lower with a dozen differently built uppers...

[@ryantyler2882]

got a 30-30 marlin and a 450 bushmaster ar...they both work awesomely on game...took 2 big oinkers with the 30-30 and it just drops them big'ns in their tracks...love that 30-30, inside 150 yds it's a tack driver...the bushmaster is a beast in it's own...inside 150 it's a sledge hammer wherever it lands...knocks it dead...haven't tried the 350, but having both the 30-30 lever and 450 ar, I see no need to add another cartridge...anyways, I love levers and mine is already tacked out with foregrips, trigger, lever and polished action...it seems that whenever I bring her out to the range or hunting trip, someone eagerly picks her up for a few dry runs...

[@maxmccain8950]

I didn’t know you were going to include barrier penetration in the test. It seems putting the barrier at the other end to stop it after it’s expanded would work better.

[@citypimp339]

On the 3rd shot you can see the bullet bouncing back onto the table in slow mo...

[@frankpryor4839]

@ 5:25-5:30 you can see that 350 Legend bouncing down the table following off where you found it. 👌

[@justinweaver8787]

Awesome have a good weekend

[@darylblackburn3889]

The slow motion view is so satisfying!

[@IrnMaiden304]

That 30-30 expanded nicely, that 350 legend is nice and every shot there was an explosion inside the gel which was cool, some powder went with it I guess. Never shot a 350, not sure if I'd want to use it in the woods, pass right though a white tail and keep going maybe 🤔.

[@ronsamborski6230]

On a broadside shot through the lungs, in one side and out the other side will have that deer down and dead in short order. Plus an easy to follow blood trail too. 🦌

[@IrnMaiden304]

@@ronsamborski6230 I'm more worried about what's beyond the animal, most places around me you're not really going much farther then 100 yards if it all, and there is alot of people out in those same woods at any given time, some come from other neighboring states. Seeing that 350 smoke through both gel blocks, and what it took to slow it down enough, along with what I said previously about many people out in the woods at any given time and possible close distances, that's what I mean by that, not about what it'll do to an animal.

[@ronsamborski6230]

@@IrnMaiden304 OK, I understand your concern. Best wishes for a successful hunting season whenever and wherever you go. 🦌

[@gunsnwater2668]

Not powder getting inside gell, compression causes the explosion.

[@mrhamburger6936]

Supposedly when you do a test like that with those ballistic gel blocks you're supposed to put some denim in front of block to simulate to get it to expand the bullet the problem is you don't shoot through a book or a steel pan when you shoot at a deer the bullet goes right through them it's exposed to expand inside them

[@PassivePortfolios]

Should have placed some leather and pork ribs in from of the gel blocks to make the testing more realistic if the round is to be used on game animals.

[@CMB911]

Excellent video 👏

[@sammartinez8084]

Great show my friend 👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@Me2Lancer]

I've had the 350 Legend for a couple years. It's great to see the penetration tests. It definitely get's the job done. Thanks for sharing. Please note, the .350 Legend round you found on the ground was the 3rd shot. Check your video, the round bounced off the background, then rolled forward and off the table.

[@kirkwhitaker6422]

I am questioning those 350 bullets....they should be providing some more expansion...the 350s are not "shocking" the block. They are acting more liking more like more swc bullets. Try a different bullet and see what it does.

[@18jeepsrt74]

I shot a deer this year at about 50yds with the 180s and it was devastating... was able to recover the bullet and expansion was much better than this experiment proved. That said 150s may be better based on many opinions... i havent tried them.

[@FrankLadd]

Great comparison! So If my 30-30 gets lost in a boating accident I can replace with an AR type rifle in 350 legend for less than I can buy a new Japanese Winchester Model 1894. I wonder if any of these AR rifles are made in the USA?

[@jonminer9891]

Hi, WTW. I had an idea. Put a block of clay between the two gel blocks. Anyway, thanks for sharing! Stay healthy!

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Good idea

[@camwinston5248]

Very good and informative video..the wife is gonna get you for shooting holes in her blanket/couch cover thou...LOL 😄

[@mikemortensen4973]

Wow, that .35 is a super-over-penetrator!!

[@shawnsturgeon1014]

Awesome! I have both of these calibers.

[@shawnsturgeon1014]

To add to my comment, I’ve seen 124 gr bullots for some coyote blasting.

[@chrisdykstra9890]

The first shot through the book bounced out right by the table on slow mo cam

[@robertvandick453]

Great video wtw

[@williamgaines9784]

I am surprised you didn't find that 3rd bullet, it came spinning back toward the book after bouncing off your backer on the slo-mo. The jackets are too thick/hard obv. on those bullets. Oh, you did find it!😀

[@jameseroh6544]

The biggest problem with the 30-30 is ammo supply! Very hard to find. I can buy 350 Legend, 6.5 Creedmore, 270 Win, and 308 every time I go shopping.

[@raifsevrence]

60 different listings for 30-30 on the aggregator. Buying ammo at a brick and mortar is as outdated as black powder and a whole lot less fun.

[@jameseroh6544]

@@raifsevrence That may be true where you live. But no online retailer will send ammo to my address. When I have traveled to Utah, Idaho, or Virginia. I could buy all the ammo I wanted. But still no 30-30. If Henry or one of the other lever gun manufacturers. Would make a lever gun in 350 Legend. I wouldn't worry about it. I saw a story that a Winchester representative said the 350 Legend is the new 30-30.

[@auntiefiat9769]

@@jameseroh6544 LOL...the 30-30 has been "replaced" a number of times in the past almost 130 years. Still here and still getting it done! :)

[@echosierra9990]

You can occasionally find .30-30 online, but never in store. The calibers I can find in any store I walk into are: .223/5.56, 6.5 Creedmore, .308, and 350 Legend. .223 is the cheapest, then 350 Legend, 6.5, then .308. I’ll take $30 a box for 350 Legend over $50 a box for .308 any day. You know you’ve made it big in the ammo world when Walmart always has your caliber in stock!

[@jerrdog5568]

Shocking results. You have to try some other brands and types. Id like to see more mushrooming on a round but for tough pig skin that stuff would rip

[@czyhorse482]

The bullet you picked up at 10:02 was from the third shot, it bounced off the table at 5:25.

[@johnkellmer5133]

That kind of penetration could make a good elk round. If I put your video together with "The Firearm Guy" video about 350 legend bullet drop, I'm thinking this is a seriously underestimated cartridge.

[@JohnThreeTwelve]

I gotta pick the 30-30, on this particular test. The 350 may be popular, but I see a lot of deer not getting found, with results like that. Maybe a thinner jacketed HP, or polymer-tip bullet would do better. Anyway, another great video. Thanks for all you do!

[@davidcox3076]

Seems like there's a market for more varied rounds for the .350. Maybe the ammo companies will offer some better JHP options. The .30-30 is the better Bambi blaster in this competition.

[@larrywilliams9368]

So you're saying you think that people are going to lose deer despite a clean pass through??? Odd. My daughter uses the 350 legend. First deer she shot dropped where it stood, second deer she shot ran about 100 yards with an amazing blood trail we were able to follow with no prob even in dark.

[@JohnThreeTwelve]

@@larrywilliams9368 It depends on what bullet she used, distance, and velocity. A rather close shot with the 350 L., even without mushrooming, will produce enough hydrostatic shock to kill a deer quickly. But, a hard bullet, over a distance great enough to eliminate hydrostatic shock, will absolutely cause lost deer, unless its a high shoulder shot, spine, head, etc. This is not an absolute 100% 'you're going to lose your deer every time,' statement. But, I've only been doing this for about 40 years, and its quite simple: the right bullet in the 350 at the right distance is a great deer killer. The wrong bullet, improperly placed, or at too great a distance, will spell disaster. Its kinda like shooting a deer with a field point out of your bow. It'll probably die, but, you'll probably not find it. I'm glad she's doing well with her setup. I hope she continues to.

[@larrywilliams9368]

@@JohnThreeTwelve she killed the first at 50 yards and the 2nd at just over 150 yards.

[@JohnThreeTwelve]

@@larrywilliams9368 The 20-100yrd shot is a perfect distance for the 350, in general. 150 is pushing it, unless using a rapid expanding bullet. Nevertheless, she did a great job!

[@shanep6528]

the 180 seems to work the best on my 16 inch Faxon ar my barrel doesn't like the 145 or 150 grains

[@bigtrev761]

🇦🇺😎👍The ole smokin entry point on the jelly contraption 😀….wow that’s down rite nasty… good science big fella👍

[@tomlanore4283]

The 35 legend bullet you found on the ground was the 3rd shot. You can see the bullet tumble off the back stop toward the front block then tumbled off from the middle of the blocks.

[@jimjakosh2506]

I saw the third shot come dancing out on the table and fell to the ground!