351 Windsor In a Fox Body / The Differences When Swapping Out Your 302 Ford Mustang

[@jamesgeorge6551]

The 260, 289 and 302 were all slight increases from the original "Windsor" block that debuted in 1962, a 221 cubic inch engine. In 1968, the deck was raised to accommodate the longer stroke of the 351, and the 351 also has larger main journals than the 302. The 302 was also a 28.8 oz imbalance engine until 1983 model year cars, when 50 imbalance because standard on 302 engines. The 351 Windsor also came standard with roller cams beginning 1994, to only last until 1997. 302 lived untill 2001 in the Explorer.

[@justinatkinson5265]

Dang you mean to tell me the 351 is bigger than the 302?? Thanks man we would of never guessed. let me an neuro mustang do the schooling please and thank you... Don't forget to subscribe!!! Tell you mother , brother, and cousin too get the whole family to subscribe and like our foxbody taking y'all fools to school videos

[@foofoojergins9741]

Good video man, i got a little coupe with a 351 out of an e350 van with aluminum heads etc.... and when i mash the gas she leaves outa thar pretty gooood

[@Neomustangs]

Very nice!

[@davidsimmons177]

You always have a video for everything I need! I decided to 351w swap my fox lol

[@frogman7874]

351W specific Headers are recommended. 302 W heads can be used on 351W but the 302 head bolt opening will require drilling to 1/2 inch bolt.

[@Neomustangs]

Right

[@Spad68]

??? Don't the 351 come with larger head bolt then the 302 . The are in the same location as the 302 . Why woukd you drill out the bolt side ? I'm confused.

[@Neomustangs]

@@Spad68 Your must be confused. He means the head bolt holes on 302 are 7/16th. The factory 351 head bolts are 1/2". He's saying you gotta drill out GT40 and stock 302 heads to fit the head bolts or studs FOR a 351 if you use them.

[@Spad68]

@@Neomustangs OK. Lol After rereading his post . That's what I figured it was . Thank you sr.

[@Neomustangs]

Yw !

[@zREDDINGTONz]

Subbed.. binge watching your videos. Building my first fox and you're filled with knowledge. Awesome work!

[@Neomustangs]

Thanks ! And wLevine!

[@romero.4089]

^ same here have my first fox body and still new to it all lots of info

[@jerrymurphy6014]

Awesome channel subscribes about a year ago. Long time fox body owner I have three. Love all the content you do Keep up the great work brother

[@Neomustangs]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@justinatkinson5265]

Thanks guy, we'll keep em coming,!

[@marklohnes6313]

Nice video! I have a few things to add: Oil pan, oil pumps and windage trays also won’t interchange. The 351w dizzie is not only longer but more importantly the oil pump drive shaft is physically larger, meaning the hex drive is larger, so that isn’t interchangeable either. While camshafts can interchange it is important to note that a cam for a 302 won’t run the same in a 351. You can run a larger, ie longer duration cam in a 351, all things being the same, than you can in a 302. This can be advantageous if torque down low is important to you. Main journal bearings are larger so the bottom end is different and that’s important to know as well. The block is 75 pounds heavier so there might be a need to change strut springs out for heavier ones if you swap to 351. IMHO the 351 is far better for the strength of the bottom end than for the 50 cubes greater displacement. More headroom for higher power, it also longevity if not built too stout or horsed to hard at the track.

[@drtb69]

Crown vic salvage

[@robertturner1059]

Also the timing cover will interchange between both engines. Motor mounts will also fit both. Thank you for the information you have provided, great channel.

[@Neomustangs]

Ya I focused the most on stuff that didn’t. There’s a lot of it

[@c431inf]

That is freaking awesome , can't wait to do more upgrades on mine , put on hold for last 20 years ,to many kids lol

[@Neomustangs]

I get it !

[@Miss__Victoria]

Also, also, for my upper radiator hose, I had hood clearence issues with the factory hose and I ran an AutoZone radiator hose part no. D71626. (Saved that for future cause God it was hard to find a hose that worked... Lol)

[@Neomustangs]

Thanks for sharing

[@Miss__Victoria]

@@Neomustangs np😁

[@timbowalk]

A trick I found when converting a fox body to a 351 order the oil pan pickup tube distributor and bracketed needed for a 89 crown Victoria police package it all drops right in a fox body

[@sbf_fox2434]

For my street 1985 GT. I got my 351w to fit under the stock hood by using vert mounts, Pro Comp dual plane (Weiand Stealth knock-off), Holley with no spacer, stock dual snorkel air cleaner and cutting the brace out from the center part of the hood. I also have a couple washers between the hinges and the hood.

[@Neomustangs]

Ya the carb 351 isn’t all that hard. This efi intake I use is about as bad as it comes lol

[@robertelmo7736]

@@Neomustangs I know, I have the Super Victor 351W on mine, with a spacer to clear the rails, and a low profile Eldebrock elbow. Perfect but I have a 2.5" cowl. I put my buddies 90mm big tall unit on there and cracked the paint on my hood. No biggie, hood is cracked elsewhere, stupid old fiberglass. You know, they used to make an aluminum cowl hood for these cars, should have picked one up back in the day.

[@osoblizz7937]

@@Neomustangs I'm glad im not the only one. I have 351W in a 89 GT. It looks like it was just thrown in there so I gotta go over there work. How much more power does the 351 have over the 302?

[@myeighty-nine7813]

@@osoblizz7937 Stock they have about the same, 351W makes more torque. But Heads Cam Intake makes a bid difference and makes more that an HCI 5.0

[@jpp9846]

Thanks for making this, I was mulling over the idea of a 351 too. Seems a little more involved than I thought.

[@Neomustangs]

Its pretty involved. It hought same thing when i first started.. then i was like ugh

[@dk2190]

Nothing that money can’t fix :)

[@Costanza2014]

@@dk2190 or time, I am just finishing a LS swap with my son into his 88 Iroc, so ready to upgrade a foxbody now.

[@frogman7874]

Original accessory brackets can be used but the steel plate which hold the a/c compressor will need to be replaced by a 351w specific which is available from ford racing.

[@Miss__Victoria]

I never run that plate, 302 or 351. It's over kill and in the way when adjusting timing.

[@frogman7874]

Expo True . But for the people who want the a/c they will be happy to know their is a bracket for them. Hard core guys no need for this bracket.

[@Miss__Victoria]

@@frogman7874 I have A/C????? The A/C Pump bolts to the power steering bracket via for bolts, the plate is just a brace and is overkill, un-needed weight, and in the way....

[@robertelmo7736]

@@Miss__Victoria Dang you could have saved me 45 bucks a while back lol....

[@Miss__Victoria]

@@robertelmo7736 lol

[@eljorgitotres5155]

Your car is the reason why I'm converting to a 351 with a on3 turbo, keep putting up videos, if you have parts for sale let me know lol

[@Neomustangs]

Ok man and thx

[@ChapsUnlimited]

Bro, as always you are right on time!! I just got a 351 and I’m looking at what I need to do. Thanks for for this and keep up the great work!!

[@Neomustangs]

Thanks! Will do!

[@Costanza2014]

I was thinking same thing. I just bought a 86 Vert and it is going to be 351. Already found a buddy with a 351 willing to part with it. Already on a stand and complete top to bottom.

[@Element0145]

Good info thank you , definitely helped clear up any doubts 👍

[@Neomustangs]

Glad it was helpful!

[@CourtneyEdmonds]

I'm doing the same thing in New Zealand with a 1991 Fairlane (Australian made) and having all the same issues as a 351w foxbody swap. Great info and keep all the great content flowing. :)

[@Neomustangs]

Thanks for sharing

[@stingraysdownunder2372]

Did you end up swapping it

[@zaywhittz154]

Good overall video. Definitely enough information for someone deciding on the swap.

[@Neomustangs]

THank you !

[@adamcartwright6220]

You’re awesome!! First time viewer and I greatly appreciate your channel and the info, thank you!!

[@Neomustangs]

Welcome!

[@Miss__Victoria]

Oh and for a distributor, I used a distributor for a 1989 f150 351w(just make sure to change the distributor gear for a hardened gear)

[@Neomustangs]

nice!

[@Miss__Victoria]

@@Neomustangs thx😁

[@Neomustangs]

@@Miss__Victoria Yes sirrrr

[@honestpainter]

Bought my Drop top summer time . Red . White . 342. Holbrook. It’s super powerful for street . Smokes the tires at 65 roll . No need for 351. In fox .

[@Neomustangs]

When you make 600 there is

[@terrycarter8929]

Crane Cams sold a conversion kit that came with the hold down spider and proper lifters and dogbones. The drivers side power steering and a/c brackets don't line up. I made a bracket to use them. Only issue is the battery tray now touches. Ford made a conversion bracket. I bought offset bushings for the rack and used convertible style engine mounts. I used the distributor from the lightning and put the right gear on it.

[@Neomustangs]

Nice thanks terry

[@justin91lx]

Great Video Man! Like to add Head bolts (351 1/2inch and 302 7/16s) are different. Plus lot of ford 302 heads will need to be drilled out to accept the bigger head bolts.

[@Neomustangs]

Right

[@806toxikautoz8]

Some of the '95 351w came with a roller cam. I recently did a 351w swap on a 84 bronco ii and used a 351w out of a '95 f150. so to keep from having to purchase retro-fit roller lifters you can salvage one of those engine and just purchase a new cam.

[@Neomustangs]

Thats right.

[@sibirty]

Off the top of my head, in addition to what you mentioned, the heads from a 302 wont work unless you machine out the head bolt holes to accommodate the larger bolts the 351 requires. The crank is larger in the 351 also and wont swap over.

[@Neomustangs]

Yes

[@ahoneyman]

83-89 Crown Vic police cars had an optional 351. It's got the front mount pan, pickup, and a stock 4bbl intake. They do pop up in a pick a part once in a while. If you see a dark blue box Crown vic with dog dish hubcaps take a peek. If you're on a no budget rat rod build you save a few bucks.

[@Neomustangs]

Thx

[@hallboy1382]

I think you're doing a great job with the channel man !!! We'd probably be best buddies if we were in the same state lol cheers man🍻🍻🍻🍻

[@Neomustangs]

That would be cool

[@justinatkinson5265]

Yea, Y'all look like y'all would make a good couple...

[@hallboy1382]

Lol always a dick face in the bunch 🤣!!

[@taniarjenis2174]

I would love to meet you i live in ohio hope to run in to you soon ive been working on a 92 fox body my self

[@EASTCOASTIMPERIAL]

Don’t nobody wanna be friends with someone named Hitman. 👻

[@GearHead704]

The stock hood is probably the biggest issue for me as I really like the stock hood look. Thanks for making this vid.

[@Neomustangs]

Yw man. I actually started watching yoru channel lately! That coupe SSP build very interested!

[@GearHead704]

@@Neomustangs Oh thanks a lot man for checking it out. I'm still learning a lot of stuff but love these FoxBodys. My channel is a bit more corny/vlog style at times but I'm having fun.

[@GearHead704]

@@justinatkinson5265 LOL, yup that's pretty much my personality 😁

[@GearHead704]

@@justinatkinson5265 LOL no problem man. Have a great night!

[@alejandrocoss1117]

Great informative video. I don't know much about engines but you were able to explain and breakdown to be understandable. 👍🏾

[@Neomustangs]

Thank you!

[@billybro1999]

just found a really good deal on a complete running 351 locally for $300 and was gonna jump on it, that's how I came across this video. It's not a FE block but I'm gonna convert. I was wondering what's all involved as far as what I can use and this vid helped alot. I just got a set of new to me aluminum heads (302) to use and a set of longtubes. I know I can make the heads work I'm just hoping the headers are still useful. I have a completely empty engine bay right now because I was shaving, filling and adding scott rod panels.

[@Neomustangs]

Nice! theres a lot to it. more than people think.

[@b.a.ward.]

I didn't scroll through comments to see if it was mentioned, but the oil pans are different as well. I'm running a 357W in my Fox. And I can attest to the tight fit of the headers. Not a lot of room. Additionally, even with a carburetor and convertible motor mounts, there is very little clearance under a stock hood with an air cleaner.

[@Neomustangs]

Yes 👍

[@alexgarza2759]

I have a 351 in my blue coupe. I had to get a 4” cowl. I love your cars brother

[@Neomustangs]

Thx man !

[@EASTCOASTIMPERIAL]

@ ALEX a 2” cowl won’t work?

[@josephgonzalez744]

Never knew about your channel and that you guys were in NEO, I’m actually heading to Ashtabula tomorrow to pick myself up a 351w roller engine for my fox! Hope to see y’all around sometime!

[@Neomustangs]

Good luck!! Where did you get it from? LOL

[@justintx75]

Great video with good info, please make more informational videos

[@Neomustangs]

More to come!

[@justintx75]

@@Neomustangs good deal as i am about to start a Windsor swap soon

[@leojones7266]

I put a 351w with a c-6 transmission from a Lincoln Versailles in my foxbody.Tons of power&torque.

[@Neomustangs]

C6 is heavy but strong.

[@leojones7266]

@@Neomustangs Direct fit and indeed strong took lots of abuse from me

[@turboman351w3]

late 1993 to 1997 f-150 to f-250 and vans and comerical flete all had f4t3 roller 351w engine and there are alot in junkyards, so there are plenty of F4TE 351w roller engines avilable ,thats where i got mine 827hp 760tq turbo motor.

[@Neomustangs]

THx for info.

[@robertelmo7736]

Just make sure you have the block checked at the cam bearings...notorious for cracking from the factory! www.corral.net/threads/must-read-psa-for-windsor-roller-block-guys.1352369/

[@robertelmo7736]

What’s your combo turbo man? What kind of car is it?

[@Pushrodlife]

Thanks for the info! Love the channel

[@Neomustangs]

Thanks for watching!

[@frogman7874]

Good tip to lower your 351W a bit is k-member spacers. Different manufacturers sell different thicknesses of spacers. Team Z maximum Motorsport’s etc.

[@Neomustangs]

Good tip!

[@luispuentes9599]

Maximum motorsports also offer k member spacers !

[@frogman7874]

luis puentes Yes they do part number MMKM-20 $69.99

[@automotiveaddiction428]

I'm old school.i like my carburated motors..my car in 1985 mustang...and I just bought myself a 1977 ford f 150 with the 351 Windsor...I'm hoping I can get some headers to fit the truck.....it hasn't arrived at my house yet...

[@Neomustangs]

Nice!

[@williamlund5532]

Dude,can't believe this was that long ago.i just acquired a time capsule 91 lx with actual leather interior, 39k documented miles..problem is,it's the 4cyl..8 plug mill auto with the weeeeek rr.

[@Neomustangs]

Nice man!

[@JasonMartinez-wv1gd]

Thanks for the video. Good stuff

[@Neomustangs]

Yes sir

[@jerrymaldonado9397]

Thanks for sharing

[@Neomustangs]

Thanks for watching!

[@dk2190]

I’m in the middle of a 427 build. One thing to know is going to a 408W using stock 351W block not an issue but a 427 means an even longer stroke so if you want a 427 generally better to go to Dart or Boss block. If you have existing turbo or supercharger From your 302 based motor you’ll need different brackets to mount to the 351W blocks it’s not direct swap. Depending on your rotating assembly the 351W could be either 28oz -or- 0 oz balancer Oil pick up and oil pump (and shaft) are different than 302 as well so Budget for new oiling system. Most Budget way to do swap is get a running motor and throw a turbo or SC on it. Otherwise plan on spending some coin

[@Neomustangs]

Thx for the info!!!!

[@nathancurtis2112]

Also if you use stock accessory brackets, you have to relocate the battery. The power steering pump lands where the battery tray sits.

[@Neomustangs]

I used the stock ones on my black car.. didnt have to move battery. I did use the relocation kit for PS in place of AC tho.

[@terrycarter8929]

I didn't have to relocate it but had to do some trimming.

[@nathancurtis2112]

Yeah, if you're not running PS then it's not a problem, and I might could have trimmed it,but I didn't feel comfortable with trimming it and it being that close to the battery. But whatever works for who's ever car it is! That's what makes this game fun, building it your way.

[@Neomustangs]

@@terrycarter8929 yes

[@Neomustangs]

@@nathancurtis2112 I agree. The PS pump i used i had to modify the ford racing relocation pump bracket set (replaces AC spot) to make 351 work but it wasnt a big deal.

[@oscarvillarreal8951]

Great knowledge!

[@Neomustangs]

Ty !

[@erikturner5073]

Even in a carb 302 setup if your going for performance, using a phonlic spacer, performer RPM type intake and a diecent sized air cleaner you will still need a small cowl hood. Most people out there slap on Victor Jr intakes which make the fitment issue worse. Main reason cowl hoods were popular back in the day were that EFI to carb swaps were very popular and for a performance/race oriented carb induction, the stock hood wouldn't due. That being the case for a 302, a taller 351 with a diecent street/strip carb build fitting under the stock hood is very unlikely.

[@Neomustangs]

Yep I agree

[@Neomustangs]

Yep I agree

[@rondye9398]

Got it! But MY choices for the 90 gt convertible ( 150K leaky rear main) are 5.0, 351W, and '70 351C 4V. Hmmm.

[@kgray59]

Stock sn95 front drive and timing cover waterpump bolt up without the need of the ford racing adapter brackets for the fox but the ac lines and bulkhead connector at the compressor are different for the sn Energy suspension mounts I believe are the aftermarket equivalent to the shorter oem convertible engine mounts. Various efi intakes naturally have different heights but with gt40 and cobras I believe being the shortest with using a stock hood and possibly kmember spacers

[@Neomustangs]

Yes your correct

[@RJ-zf7fw]

If you use sn95 front accessory brackets you need to use a sn95 timing cover as well because they are a different width than the foxbody. If you use the foxbody timing cover and sn95 brackets your waterpump will not be aligned with the rest of the accessories.

[@drtb69]

Kaufmann Engineering So Cal has affordable kits for 351w 351c 429 460.. tons of room

[@jasonredepenning]

Dam should get a Cleveland. I had a Cleveland and I would tap the gas and 100 instantly

[@mustangmike4078]

Another good video, naturally!😉

[@Neomustangs]

Ty

[@lochnessfox3441]

No problem Dan. Wish there was a way to just chat w you

[@Neomustangs]

It’s all good. Hit me up on Facebook or messenger

[@trailerpark187]

I put a 460 in my fox. I used a Nascar lower air cleaner. It dropped the air cleaner all the way around the carburetor. Under a 3.5" cowl. Car was quick. But dosent matter its not a 351.

[@Neomustangs]

Wow 460?

[@trailerpark187]

@@Neomustangs yes it was a motorsports svo 460 from the Ford racing catalog. 550hp version.

[@dannyrivas5125]

Saleen mustang had 351w in the fox body back in the days with a supercharger on it 351 w are tall Deck 289 blocks

[@Neomustangs]

Ah yes.

[@robertelmo7736]

S351 those things were fast too

[@Nick17354]

I have a question for you, you briefly touched on roller cams. I'm a bit confused, I bought a 1995 351W roller engine on eBay (F4TE casting), but haven't started tearing into it yet. You said you have to drill the two holes for the dog bone bracket; but if the engine is a factory roller engine, shouldn't that be done from the factory? If not, how are the roller lifters held in place from the factory on these? Thanks! Your videos have been immensely helpful with planning my project, absolutely subscribed to your channel!

[@Neomustangs]

F4te is already set up for roller yes

[@Nick17354]

@@Neomustangs Awesome, that's great to hear. Thanks for the response brother!

[@americantrucker2452]

Awesome info 👌🔥🔥

[@Neomustangs]

Thank you 🙌

[@reyrodgers34]

Been there done that 377 cu stroker in 1993 Cobra 15 years 😁

[@Neomustangs]

Lol

[@reyrodgers34]

@@Neomustangs thanks bud. 😁

[@Neomustangs]

Rock on bro. Send it!!

[@lanebarker297]

GREAT INFO !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Neomustangs]

Thanks for watching!

[@alvinmann7675]

Good info👍

[@Neomustangs]

Thanks 👍

[@johnmilner6505]

I've owned 3 mustangs all foxes and the first thing I do is yank the 302 and in goes a early 70s blocked 351w

[@aletorres8039]

I did a 347 with 351w heads and you can see the difference in heads

[@Neomustangs]

Nice ?

[@MrLocomechanic]

Just an fyi 93 to 97 351w engines are roller.. im putting together a 93 Windsor right now its an fe

[@Neomustangs]

That’s right. F4TE..

[@MrLocomechanic]

Love the video and info too btw great info!!!!

[@salvinni3434]

Just did a sbf Boss 427 crate swap. My main concern was keeping stock hood. Well, that did not happen. Had to go Cobra r hood and that only clears throttle body by 1/4 inch. ( Has to be a way to get it down to at least a 2 inch cowl. Went trickflow R intake. Thinking maybe I should of went carb style efi.

[@Neomustangs]

Ya clearance isssues are the devil

[@turboman351w3]

dyno dyno dyno neo . i want to see that that new motor light off, wewwwwwweeeeeeeeeee.

[@Neomustangs]

You have a suprise coming!

[@dk2190]

I want to know what heads and CR slownate is using on his 427. That notch is Bad A

[@Neomustangs]

@@dk2190 Ill do a video

[@Miss__Victoria]

Older foxes like my 83 had a much larger diameter brake booster which will interfere with engine clearence. Have to use the smaller newer ones, and if it's like my 83 was, you'll have to clearence the strut tower for the newer one as it's longer overall and doesn't have that spot clearenced for it like the newer foxes.

[@Neomustangs]

Thx!

[@sbf_fox2434]

The stock booster worked fine on my 85 GT. I am running vert mounts and stock 85 GT valve covers.

[@Miss__Victoria]

@@sbf_fox2434 idk what year they changed it, or if you had the same booster mine originally had, but my car had a huge pancake booster. It was much flatter than the newer boosters but much larger in diameter. I had a tubular k member and solid drop mounts and stock mustang efi valve covers still wouldn't clear the brake booster. I have pictures of the ENTIRE process on my phone from when I did it. I like to do progress albums of my cars😁

[@terrycarter8929]

I got hydroboost off a Lincoln mark series. 1983 I think?

[@Miss__Victoria]

@@terrycarter8929 that's cool, didn't know hydroboost went back that far in the years

[@robertelmo7736]

Going to need a new transmission too. All that torque is going to break it lol! I just got my swap kinda done for now...stock 302 with ball drive Paxton to 393 Lightning roller stroker...never looking back as the 351 block is so much stronger. You really don't have a choice with the 302 unless you step up to Dart/Boss if you want to go north of 550. I know, I know people have had them live but I have seen stock 351W shortblocks make 1000 hp. Not pushing mine north of 650-700 but just saying...

[@Neomustangs]

i agree completely.

[@steaknive]

79-85 mustang 302s were 28oz balance they changed to 50oz balance 302s in 86’.

[@Neomustangs]

Yep

[@joey4872]

Very informative.

[@Neomustangs]

Thx joe.

[@xonsightx]

great info

[@BlindFoxXx515]

Advice on starters? Thats the last piece I need to figure out. I have a 351w with a 157 tooth flywheel and a T5 (for now ha) and can't seem to figure out what starter ill need..

[@theyluvprin]

What fly wheel?

[@ChapsUnlimited]

What distributor? Is there a way to alter the stock 351 efi distributor to mount the TF module on the dizzy like the Mustang’s?

[@Neomustangs]

Its physically longer. IF you mean altering a 302 one to fit.

[@ChapsUnlimited]

Neomustangs no, I have a 94 Lightning and the TF module is on the fender. If I got another distributor like the one in the Lightning for my mustang, can that be modified. That was my question but what I found out is the dizzy from a 90 f-150 with a 351 has the TF module like a Mustang so I’m good now.

[@Neomustangs]

@@ChapsUnlimited Interesting. I dont have an answer. Id imagine something can be worked?

[@MOJOATLBIGSHOTS]

Hunting for my 351w now.. Goin in a 89 lx hatch

[@Neomustangs]

Nice. 94+

[@rle1020]

If your fox was 302 instead of 351 what would be the power difference between the 2. Thanks

[@Neomustangs]

Its definately a difference but more strength than anything.

[@LITTLE1994]

I know the 5.8L is larger and more powerful, but I didn't there were that many differences internally. I might swap that with the 302 (non-HO, because the Mustang had the better HO version) out of my 1989 LTD Crown Victoria LX to bypass the so-called 500hp limit, plus the police counterparts did have that, but I don't know if the 351 is EFI or not.

[@Neomustangs]

Ya 351 is the big brother of the 302 sbf for sure. However never really came with fancy forged parts really or cams

[@95Sn95]

I was curious... Yeah nope... I'd say a stroker crank is the cheaper easier way to add 45ci... This is the kinda stuff that swayed me to GM 5.0 to 5.7 or even 6.6 is direct bolt zero changes not this mess of mods. Thanks for the heads up lol.

[@Neomustangs]

Great point!

[@nealpurdy1202]

Thanks for the short and to the point video. What is your thought on drop solid motor mounts and k member spacers?

[@Neomustangs]

I like it. I couldnt use it on one of my cars.. rack was in teh way!?

[@jamesdelavan9573]

I used the solid drop motor mounts and a solid transmission mount. Works good. I need to lower my front sway bar too. The pan is REAL CLOSE, without the drop mounts it probably would be better. I was trying to fit it all under the stock hood. However the Victor Jr intake, phenolic spacer, and Holley 750 still didn't. I take the hood off when it has an air filter on it. My plan is a Spectre carb hat, build a 4" fenderwell cold air intake, and cut the hood to clear the carb hat.

[@MOOGAS1]

Stock Rack and Pinion doesn’t fit without notching as well from what I’ve been told. Informative video though thank you

[@Neomustangs]

What i found, i had a UPR tubular in there. Rack sat up higher than Qa1's did. But it was PS rack.. not flaming river. I couldnt run drop mounts over top a power steering rack. So i ran urethanes and it barely cleared for years.

[@sbf_fox2434]

I run the Ford Racing swap pan (Crown Vic) pan with stock K member in my 85 GT and vert mounts. I found the front drain plug gets smacked by the stock anti-sway bar. It cracked my pan. I solved this by using used sn95 anti-sway bar mount brackets that move the bar lower.

[@Neomustangs]

Cool

[@robertelmo7736]

@@sbf_fox2434 I had the same problem with that pan, ordered a Miloden low profile plug but it didn't fit! To the grinder that bolt head went...problem solved lol!

[@terrycarter8929]

I think I used Thunderbird swaybar mounts from the junkyard.

[@jodeycampbell240]

Dude..im so glad I came across your channel and so far the content has been really helpful and actually I have a 86 double eye fox that I'm building a 30 over 351c from a 70's block and wondering about the fitment of it as in will I run into alot of problems. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

[@Neomustangs]

It’s covered pretty well in video and in comments. Lots chimed in to help complete the video. And thanks ! For sub!

[@jamesdelavan9573]

Sorry, but it's called a 4 eyed mustang not double eye.

[@jodeycampbell240]

@@jamesdelavan9573 thanks...I know that in Alabama and we tend to call them both "4-eyed " and "Double eye'd" but it's 1 in the same IMO. I've owned 8 over the years..but Thanks for the info 👍🏽

[@drtb69]

You can drop a 460 bbf no problem in a fox body. Not a problem did it many times in mid 80s

[@dwestinghouse]

I thought I saw an order video talking about doing a stroker in the 351w after you bent a rod? Was that the plan or future content?

[@Neomustangs]

Its one of the cars yes. THeres actually 3 cars i do here on tube channel. Soon to be 4 different ones.

[@hallboy1382]

Whats the best tubular k member to buy?

[@Neomustangs]

Either works. Qa1. Upr. Maximum.

[@bigboytv6089]

So you drove the tubro and supercharger what you like better and what gave you more power just adding it .

[@Neomustangs]

Turbo

[@jamesdelavan9573]

Turbo for sure and it doesn't make boost all the time like a Supercharger. Easier on the crank. Out of the hole a Supercharger will make power sooner, but once the Turbo builds boost you will fly by the Supercharged car.

[@tommytorres12]

Hey what block did you use for your stroker motor I have a 351 from a Lightning

[@Neomustangs]

Lightning is good! I used one from a 92 van lol.

[@tommytorres12]

My goal is to stroke it to a 427 but everyone is say to get the summit racing motor which is a better motor for the stroke handles more power

[@robertelmo7736]

@@tommytorres12 Depends on what you are going to do with it. For a NA build I would just do a stock block max of 408 and keep the revs below 6800 or so and it will be fine. If you feel wild and want to put boost to it...well it isn't going to take more than 8# of boost to be stressing a stock roller block IMO.

[@tommytorres12]

Thanks for information I will go that route I want it to be all motor

[@afri1414]

@@Neomustangs Is the '92 van 351w a roller motor or did you convert it?

[@firsttimeautomotiveinc.3002]

is that thompson raceway?

[@danstark3035]

You could just stroke the 302 to 347. Keep everything from the 302, if you wish, and fitment in the Fox body wouldn’t be a problem.

[@Neomustangs]

Sure but block strength and longevity are superior with a 351

[@texasinnovativeperformance6439]

What's you thought on a combination of filling a block main girdle and a oil valley girdle

[@Neomustangs]

Depends on HP level? Its not worth it less you trying to achieve somethign astronomical.

[@texasinnovativeperformance6439]

@@Neomustangs was trying to shoot for 800

[@texasinnovativeperformance6439]

@@Neomustangs oh what's the belt pulley and bracket setup

[@sarahselfridge8166]

So it would be about the same if you have everything for a 302 to get a better 302 block.

[@Neomustangs]

No

[@justintaylor2919]

Ok so I have a question I've got a 91 s10 with a 302 out of a 91 f150 I've put gt40 pro heads on it long tube headers tsp ready to run distributor flame thrower coil 1100 cfm demon carb tsp high rise intake. I'm still running the stock internals and cam the stock auto trans out of the 91 f150 could u tell me if there is any thing I need to change building a grudge drag truck any info will be grateful

[@justinatkinson5265]

Wrong channel bud, we're talking about building and swapping motors in foxbody aka ford's not chevrolet trucks aka junk

[@jrh0369]

Is there a big difference is power between a stroked 363 over a 351? It seems that a 302 based 363 would be a lot easier swap. I’m assuming there’s a price difference to.

[@Neomustangs]

RPM.. and ya about that same power level tho. 351's dont like to live above 6500 ish.. 363 you can take to the moon.

[@robertelmo7736]

363 is a big buck block...will have to be aftermaket dart or boss...looking at $2200-2400 for just the block, machined. Then again, a Boss or Dart will take three times the power lol....

[@jrh0369]

Robert Elmo A Dart block is the way to go but not a lot of heads fit. Boss is compatible with most cylinder heads.

[@Miss__Victoria]

Also, budget fuel rails for 351w swap: cut the fuel lines connecting the front and rear and replace it with longer high pressure ethanol safe fuel injection hose. That's what I did. Also, if want to run the stock plenum, the 3/4 ton and 1 ton vans with the 351w ran the same plenum setup as a mustang you can Rob the lower and bolt your stock plenum to it(I have one in my garage sitting on my 1977 351w block atm.)

[@Neomustangs]

Yes!

[@robertelmo7736]

That intake deal has to choke the life out of it lol...but I guess until you can upgrade it would be ok? Wonder what boost would do lol...

[@Miss__Victoria]

@@robertelmo7736 lol yeah.... But also, if you had the money, you could have it extrusion ported and keep a stock sleeper look lol. Or port the lower and buy one of those box type uppers that I've seen on summit for the stock lowers. Idk if they make em anymore but they were kinda like the upper plenum neomustangs is running but plastic and for the stock lowers.

[@robertelmo7736]

Expo I am an old man and got into the Foxbody scene early before the aftermarket took off. I actually cut my stock upper in half with a sawz all and ported it out each way and then had it spot welded and I JB welded back together LOL. I also had a Hartman box which is what you are talking about on the stock lower. Had a buddy spray nitrous in one and it blew it into 1000 pieces and he tried to glue it back together LOL good times.

[@Miss__Victoria]

@@robertelmo7736 that's awesome!!! I actually thought about doing the sawz all thing, not to port it, but to make what you called a "Hartman box" out of eighth inch aluminum and Tig weld it all up, but it just stayed an idea lol.

[@kemosabegt350geuss6]

Has anyone put a 351C in the fox? Back in the day in the Pinto and Mustang II these ruled pro stock. Of course those had tubular front ends. Would the Cleveland fit or is it even wider than the W?

[@Neomustangs]

That would mak ea great video.

[@robertelmo7736]

Cleveland is wider...my Windsor is pretty tight, especially the headers at the steering shaft (bought swap headers which are notched). I took a tall set of valve covers OFF as there was no room back there for all the fuel injection lines/stuff and put a set of low profile TFS valve covers on. Then again, my other car is a 91 Turbo MR2, so there is PLENTY of room in the Mustang lol....

[@88TRUNKBACK]

351C Fox was actually an easier plug change than the Windsor both with 1 3/4 headers, Herman made a Cleveland swap header back in the day

[@88TRUNKBACK]

Hedman Headers

[@robertelmo7736]

@@88TRUNKBACK So I guess the Cleveland is not as tall?

[@tylerwill2605]

I have a 351w 2 barrel engine im going to rebuild and stroke it as well maybe a turbo maybe 2. I'm looking for a 88 to 89 gt hatch auto roller so I can build my ultimate sleeper for a roller I'm only gonna pay 500 for roller because 10plus years ago my dad bought a running and driving 88 gt auto hatch for 100 but I know times change but my price is firm so lmk what yall find no manual I prefer to stay on gas while others shift doesn't mean I cant drive one just dont want one

[@Neomustangs]

Ah I get it.

[@shontaward836]

Could I put a carburetor intake on my E350 it came out of vein a cub wagon 1995

[@Brandon-sv6vr]

If by are manual the clutch for 302 is also smaller then the 351. With a 10.5" vs the 351w having a 11".

[@Neomustangs]

Yep

[@Brandon-sv6vr]

Just was manking a note. Even tho a 10.5 clutch will work with the correct flywheel. Thats just a billet option from spec.

[@Nuka_Gaming]

"When referring to deck height, we're talking about how tall the deck is" yes water is wet

[@Neomustangs]

Yes. How tall the deck is on the engine. 8.2 is 302. 9.4 is 351

[@Nuka_Gaming]

@@Neomustangs I just thought it was funny like the saying, you tell its that way because of how it is

[@bulfragg]

So im issuing this without having read the comments, if you us 351w swap headers it will locate the collector where it will hit the stock h pipe

[@Neomustangs]

Yes that is correct

[@jasonredepenning]

That's a nice Nissan

[@leeblackharry]

I'm finishing up a 351W build in my 88 fox. I have an Edelbrock super victor intake with an Edelbrock intake elbow (overall height is 7.75") EFI application. Would you happen to know what size I would need for a cowl hood? I'm using stock k member at the moment. I did some measuring and it look like I would need a 4" cowl. I want to double check because I don't want to get anything that is too big if I can avoid it.

[@juicemcelveen3845]

Can I use stock 5.0 computer for a 351?

[@Neomustangs]

Yes long as it’s and HO computer

[@juicemcelveen3845]

@@Neomustangs thanks I really appreciate building my 89 up from a roller your videos keep me motivated to keep going