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[@WHOTEEWHO]

Deals and discounts HERE: linktr.ee/whoteewho Which one is your favorite???

[@White000Crow]

357 3 screw and a lever action for compliment.

[@Down2hunt]

I edc a fancied up gen3 G33. Ever since I saw the ballistic advantages over .40

[@JohnLloydScharf]

.357 Magnum is my favorite. Had you used the same brand, mass, and velocity - the outcome might have been different. Besides being reloaded off-brand, the larger mass used up the extra case capacity of the .357 mag over the Sig to hold the bullet. Given you the bullet, we do not know if the penetration was cut by excessive expansion.

[@bestestusername]

357 mag, as in Australia its easier to get in a lever action than a handgun

[@noname-wo8zp]

I've seen a lot of ballistics test on KZbin of course Big and slow hit hard Do a lot of damage Leaving all their energy in the target Faster bullets Go straight through and leave a smaller wound cavity

[@grahamohea2424]

Huge .357 Sig fan here. The Glock 31 was one of the first Glocks I ever bought, the Glock 32 is prolly one of my favorite handguns ever, and I just picked up the Glock 33 to complete the trifecta. The .357 Sig results from this test didn't surprise me, but the magnums seemed a bit weaksauce

[@usa-rb5fi]

Do you carry the 31 or 32, I sometimes carry my 33, but have considered getting the 32 or similar size.

[@grahamohea2424]

@@usa-rb5fi Occasionally the G32. The G31 is a bit too large to be comfortable for my tastes, so it is firmly in range toy territory for me... I put night sights on all my defensive handguns, but for the G31, I just put on fiber optics. It also doesn't help that while I have IWB G19 holsters that can be used for both my G32 and my G23, I don't really have any IWB holsters for the G17/G22/G31 sized frames... I tend to reserve the full sized Glocks (in particular, the G17 and the G22) for home defense

[@thepatriotsrage661]

Unfortunately so are the .357Sig's nowadays. The 125gr .357Sig should be running at 1500fps from a 4". Period.

[@grahamohea2424]

@@thepatriotsrage661 That is sadly true and part of the reason why I started reloading .357 Sig. I don't think it suffers as much as 10mm masquerading as .40 S&W does with the pitiable "FBI Load" that is the standard loading, though

[@thepatriotsrage661]

@@grahamohea2424 Yes, indeed so Graham. That said I think all pistol loads could be hotter, if you follow CIP rather than SAAMI. The Brits were well known for running hot ammo, especially in 9x19 BHP's (I suspect SMG ammo) to prove the point. IMHO 125gr is the sweet spot for .357Sig and Magnum. Both perform extremely well in this weight. Oh... I reload .357Sig as well, it's piss easy, ridiculously so. That all said, I am primarily a 165gr .40 guy. The Speer GD, Cor-Bon JHP, Ranger T and Fed HST in this weight are outstanding performers. So naturally I reload 160/165gr .40 CMJ's.

[@williamgaines9784]

The Sig was using a jacketed bullet going significantly faster. The magnum was using a plated bullet with the plating being much, much thinner than the Sig's jacket allowing it to deform and slow faster than the harder jacketed bullet. I am with you on liking both, although I don't have a 357 Sig.

[@codeward7249]

I'm pretty sure that the 357 Magnum was a reloaded round it was using a plated bullet as you can see that's why it was shining also the bottom was bulged out I only see that on reloaded ammo

[@anon2240]

Most plated bullets are limited to a maximum of 1200 fps.

[@williamgaines9784]

@@anon2240 The point was the Sig was shooting a harder bullet faster, even though the bullet was lighter. That the plated bullet has a limited velocity before it starts leading the bore was not the point.

[@anon2240]

@@williamgaines9784 With a similar jacketed bullet at 158 grains the 357 magnum is capable of launching it in the range of 1350 fps which increases the muzzle energy considerably. A 125 grain jacketed bullet in a 357 magnum is capable of 1500 fps.

[@bigbird5754]

Need to run the test with a 125gr FMJ in the 357. The current test was apples and oranges. This wasn't a true comparison. IMHO 😁

[@Brykk]

I hoped for years that 357sig would take off in popularity, but it never really did. It is a fantastic round that has some way better than average ballistics.

[@tommypackwood1013]

I've always liked the sig and hoped it would stay poplar enough to stay on shelves, but for some reason, it's sure hard to find and even more expensive. The .45acp is cheaper than the sig. ???

[@tommypackwood1013]

I've always liked the sig and hoped it would stay poplar enough to stay on shelves, but for some reason, it's sure hard to find and even more expensive. The .45acp is cheaper than the sig. ???

[@numbersletters3886]

Same, the 357 Sig is my EDC choice.

[@brianhall137]

The factory ammo is ridiculously expensive, but it's the cheapest round to reload other than 9mm...same bullet and just a little more powder. I carry a custom 1911 chambered in 357Sig.

[@bdr32965]

It really is a shame that .357 Sig didn't become more popular. Maybe somewhere in the future it will end up being the next 10mm, where it wasn't popular at first but make a roaring comeback.

[@sturisa]

.357 Magnum all day for me, have a Colt Python 6 inch barrel in blue steel from 1992!

[@dr.froghopper6711]

I used to have a Colt Trooper Mk III with an 8 3/8” barrel that I enjoyed shooting long range. The gun shot better than I did, lol! Then I got disabled and I didn’t have the hand/arm strength to really shoot it well. Needed money so I sold it. I sure wish I hadn’t. I really like the Taurus Adam was shooting here! 4” is a perfect length for daily carry in the woods or on a farm.

[@markgriffin9287]

Just got a colt trooper 357mag from my grandfather who passed and my dad who has passed away. 357mag I'd trust any day! And it makes a hole!

[@tylerrobbins8311]

😂 I'm the same age as that classic gun.

[@markgriffin9287]

@@dr.froghopper6711 just inherited one from my dad. Awesome gun!

[@PeterParker-hw5rv]

Got the king cobra 6 inch 357 from 90's

[@jonathandavis7810]

I appreciate you doing this video. I love 357 mag but my daily is a Glock 32 gen 4 in 357 SIG. Awesome content 👍🏽

[@williamfrazier3822]

It amazes me how many people hate on the 357sig round. I researched it back in 1997 before buying it and was amazed at the ballistics and how they got it to perform. I went with a 226 and it's still my favorite semi-auto. After thousands of rounds down range, I still love the feel, power and ballistics of that round.

[@Roberta_Esposito]

226 RedBox like new $400 357.. world beater

[@BenoitWeiss-cg8pf]

I think they hate because it cost so much per round, and everyone thinks they need 100,000,000 rounds 😂

[@philrc1]

During the .357sig test, the two stacks of plates were tight against each other, during the Magnum test there was a good 2 or 3 inch gap. This would drastically effect the test in favor of the sig round. I call, "do over".

[@bruceallen6016]

This! Do over with two separate stacks of plates, one for each round.

[@bobmyers2514]

I think u should change the name of those custom 357 mag ammo from house of Payne to house of rip off ,1st one doing 1050 and then the 2nd 1 a hundred feet faster and those are 38+p speeds to boot

[@weldingjunkie]

LOL Stop its the same amount of material its not a controlled test

[@kdk2286]

Why would that matter? Neither made it through the first stack of plates.

[@pdog2448]

@@kdk2286 1st shot had more support, 2nd shot had less support which allows the 1st set of plates to move back. Less support, equals less penetration.

[@glisa43]

Nice video thanks, but I want to see 357 Mag with 125 grain bullet same as 357 sig and see the different?!?

[@GiantMeteor4ever]

Just picked up a 357 Sig barrel for my Beretta 96. I was debating if I should get the 357 mag revolver instead but this video sold me on the 357 Sig barrel. I love these older videos.

[@krazyrican2009]

That’s not surprising based on the faster velocities of the .357 Sig compared to the .357 magnum rounds used. Had you fired some 125 grain bullets out of the .357 magnum it may have been even with the .357 Sig.

[@YELLTELL]

Exactly my .357mag carry rounds are 1500fps at muzzle 1314@50yds & 1166@100yds

[@COSpacegunner]

Test "apples-to-apples", like 125-grain Gold Dots out of both. Same bullet weight & construction.

[@7tree1outlaw]

Man I love your channel cause it’s not over the top like a lot of gun channels! You keep it simple and to the point! Much respect from this ol west Tennessee boy!

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Appreciate you watching

[@indymac7]

I have an eight-point buck on my wall with a .357 Sig. (G32) A good cartridge. I wished it'd become more popular. But I believe you should have run both with the same grains of bullet weight. It would have changed the outcome.

[@Roli238]

Well, that was an accurate comparison between a 2wd shortbox pickup with a 383 stroker, versus a 1 ton 4x4 with a tired 350 in it - if you catch my drift What the hell is so tuff about getting 2 boxes of Winchester white box with the same bullet weight? One for the sig and one for the magnoony

[@josephsearls5142]

I think to be fair you need not only the same barrel length, but same weight and same type of bullet! And since we don’t use FMJ nor PLATED bullets for self defense, JHPs ( 125 grains in this case ) should be used for both by the same manufacturer! Be consistent. We don’t test which chili powder tastes better in two different recipes !!

[@pantarkan7]

Not a completely even test, since the second bag of plates moved bettween shots. I'm a little surprised that the mag rounds only clocked 1100-odd, even out of a 4"; but the difference in weight is going to have an 'impact', as will the cylinder gap. Still,,,

[@donl4914]

Equaling out the bullet weights would have been better. A more accurate comparison of velocities. 125gr on both or 110gr. Both are available. Although the Sig would still have greater velocity as it's a rifled case, the 357 MAG is still the favorite for most as versatility. I load for myself 357 MAG, Still haven't made the commitment to go with the SIG. Next to do. Three-way with the SIG, MAG, and 9mm. Great Video!!! Been waiting to see more of this content again. 👍👍👍😉😉👍👍👍

[@jamiesloan7259]

It’s called a necked-down case. Not a rifled case. The .357 magnum is called a straight-walled case. The case has nothing to do with rifle, or pistol.

[@gspdavis]

Loading the same weight bullet will always result in the .357 Mag having more velocity. Providing they were both loaded to sammi specs.

[@jamiesloan7259]

@@gspdavis Yup. More case capacity.

[@vincentcronin3361]

Hell yeah! glad to see an old school paper plates video again!

[@dennmark4843]

Got both, bullet weight was a factor. Fine post!

[@joelmcmahan7386]

Both of these would be a fine caliber to have in a time of need. These videos show us all good information, even when boo lots are different we still get a idea of what is going on here. Thanks again WTW for great videos every day. 🎥👍💯🙏🏻

[@Tool-Meister]

I agree, the plate stacks should be retained with no gaps. This isn’t a carefully controlled, scientific test, but I’m certain you’d like to approach the test with a modicum of consistency. I shoot 7-1/2” Ruger Super Black 44 REM Mag & a Glock 23 with multiple barrels, including a 357 Sig. So this is a comparison I can’t make, but do relate too. I find the wrong choice of 357 Sig ammo can result in a delayed expansion, yielding over penetration. I think a great experiment would be several 357 Sig factory and hand-loads with different 125 grain bullets. Love your channel! It reminds me of me, 30 years ago…. Thanks!

[@sweetlovetiger]

When you shot the 357 sig the back stack pushed back and you never put them back together for the 357 mag so the first stack of plates moved back exorbing the energy from the 357 Magnum so it was not as stiff for the 357 Magnum as it was for the 357 sig

[@ojpaige3873]

Absolutely because the test wasn't a fair test because the magnum round was much heavier than the sig round which gave the sig superior performance which is simply not a fair comparison 🤔

[@warriorxtman2]

Absorbing

[@apstech4618]

Without knowing the actual load data for those two individual rounds, all bets are off. The ."357 MAGAnum" could very well be watered down. The .357sig might be loaded max load hot.

[@jonrolfson1686]

As a sort of wild-ass guess (WAG), the House of Payne .357 Mag round featured a softer plated lead bullet which flattened easily at a slow for the cartridge speed. The Winchester .357 Sig round’s full metal jacket bullet was probably harder, therefore less susceptible to deformation and capable of greater penetration. This WAG is, of course, only tenable so long as the missing bullet remains in an undetermined either squashed or pristine state (Schrødinger’s bullet, if you will).

[@Bob5mith]

Also the first shot with the Sig had the two stacks tight together, and the magnum had them apart. More energy was expended moving the first stack on the second shot.

[@evansmith2279]

E=MV^2. Energy equals mass times velocity squared. Velocity is squared so it’s more important than the mass.

[@theowenssailingdiary5239]

@@evansmith2279 true but there is more at play than just energy. One is what Bob said above. Obviously the bullet type was different. Sometimes (actually usually)a slower bullet will out penetrate the faster one because it deforms less. I think the biggest factor here is bullet type.

[@norrisdillahuntjr4570]

Using the wag terminology you must be a building contractor as well

[@RapidReloader83]

​@@evansmith2279wow! Amazing point!!! Something to keep.

[@wbriggs111]

That 357 mag velocity should have been closer to 1400 fps. I get my 38 sp. /125 gr bullets moving at 1100 fps.

[@raymondproulx1095]

Tough to do any compassion test with today’s ammo availability. Naturally the same bullet weight and type will get you a better result. Still, any day at the range is a fun day and the result surprised me. Keep up the great work.

[@bobjones-bt9bh]

Sig had substantially more energy and was a jacketed bullet vs plated. Payne ammo, don't use that for a comparison. Find WWB .357 mag FMJ or something equivalent in 125gr. FMJ isn't common for .357mag but there are some loads out there

[@billvilla7799]

Fun test, but to be accurate, you would need the the ammo to be from the same manufacturer and the same projectile (weight and construction). Last but not least...the paper plates should have a backing that prevents them from moving. When you shot the .357 sig the two stacks of plate were together and when you shot the .357 mag they were separated which allowed the first stack of plates to slide into the second stack absorbing some of the energy.

[@dustinpotter8312]

Besides jacket variations if you were to take the 357 sig and shoot it into the top portion of the plate you will probably find the top section reveals to sig less effective in the top section as well though not quite as much as the difference of the 357 mag and 357 sig. At the lower level the plates are firmer than the top add in that the "stack" of plates was broken by the effect of the first shot on the bottom. The "flex" of the plates would reduce penetration at the top as the resistance from a rigid vs a flexible platform is more piercing. For instance in a straight chop (not slicing) hit a 4" branch with a hatchet at a foot and a half of the tree trunk and then at an inch of the tree trunk. The flex of the limb will rob penetration of the hatchet blade at the longer distance. I know the distances are not the same as what you had on the plates but the principle is the same.

[@Narsuitus]

When I need handgun protection in the wilderness, I rely on a 357 magnum loaded with 200 grain flat-nose hard-cast lead ammo. Can the 357 sig provide me with similar protection from back bears, feral hogs, and wild dogs?

[@sandoval1529]

🤯👀 What!!??? Awesome video! Keep em coming brother!!

[@tobylopez445]

I have a SW model 60-14 in 357 magnum and I just love my J frame.

[@ratagris21]

I like both as a multi-caliber shooter. I know both are hard to find and pricey. My preference is still .357 magnum since it can shoot both .357 and .38 spl. A G23 can be converted to .357 Sig and 9mm. Thats the beauty of a Glock - barrel & spring conversion.🎩♠🏁🎯🏵🇺🇸

[@jasonspicer9955]

357sig and 40 are interchangeable not the 9mm

[@ratagris21]

@@jasonspicer9955 with a conversion barrel&spring yes the only difference is the mag.

[@pewpewTN]

@@jasonspicer9955 nah, you can get 9mm barrels for .40 cal Glocks. It's a pretty common thing.

[@chillios2222]

They have 3 barrels , 357 is a 9 but pricey ammo and faster

[@Robsksas]

ive been waiting patiently for this video!

[@davidteague5461]

I love the plate test!!!! Glad u brought it back .

[@Mr.Robert1]

That's interesting, I always wear paper plates inside my vest for additional stopping power.

[@pumpdump4476]

1000 fps +/- is 38 +p velocity not 357 mag! Some of the lower FACTORY loadings are 1250 fps and generally go up from there. So this was more like a 38 split vs 357 sig comparison. BTW I carry and use all 3 flavors and each have there pros and cons.

[@mlrllama]

I'm hearing that House of Payne ammo is very inconsistent in terms of velocity from a number of personal friends as well as some Tubers. I know you only chrono'ed two rounds, but those did show roughly 100 FPS in variation. Did you measure any more to confirm?

[@JohnnyWrongo-b9l]

You can't take too much from this given the differences in the ammo. I suspect house of pain is being careful about pressure when making those reloaded rounds.

[@munkeybiznes]

We need a redo on this one. There was a significant gap between the bags for magnum round that wasn't there for sig round causing a weight reduction of the target by half resistance. Also we seen actual hole for magnum and not for sig. I don't think impact tearing counts as penetration.

[@RapidReloader83]

You know that" bullots" penetrate deeper when you go further out. The bullet girates out the barrel this giraton wont allow a smooth piercing through the paper. I would love to see you do the same test at 21 yards penetrations vs 3 yards! I believe ou'll be suprised with the results.

[@Diondjg1369]

Just love my 357 sig glock gen 3 . Its snappy but dam it's a great gun .

[@richavic4520]

From what I have seen, House of Payne ammo is represented accurately in your chrony. Slower than advertised, and low in QC.

[@brucelewis1017]

That 357 sig is a pretty hot round I used to have one it's a 40 cal case with a 9mm lead

[@WHOTEEWHO]

🔥🔥🔥

[@kst357]

I love all .357's but the test wasn't fair to the 357 mag. The significantly lower velocity, heavier mass, & softer projectile would guarantee less penetration than a faster & harder round. The 357 mag would have done better against the Sig round in a test of knock-down power. What would be cool is to have a test rig that can measure actual impact power. I'd like to see one designed like those carnival games where you swing the heavy hammer down to see if you can ring the bell.

[@thepatriotsrage661]

Bullet weight would have determined it. 125gr isn't 158gr.

[@tommypackwood1013]

Test the mag with 125 flat nose, and the sig with same weight.. I'm with you, the mag was at disadvantage.

[@linemen71]

I’m a 357sig fan boy… and I can 100% agree with you. 357sig is my favorite but the magnum is more powerful.

[@boomdawg56]

@@thepatriotsrage661 Weight and velocity and how the energy is dispersed when looking at penetration of a projectile with equal diameter. The softer plated bullet deformed more and dissipated energy faster therefore penetrating less.

[@cmillerphotos]

Agreed. Apples and mangoes. :-)

[@joehelvey5794]

That .357 mag 1st shot was almost subsonic lmao. After seeing the .40 and 10mm run the exact same speeds I think I’d steer clear of that House of Pain ammo. That’s some weak sauce

[@doomguy8447]

I own a few .357 mags and a few .357 sigs. That being said I love both rounds. The .357 sig is superior in my humble opinion. My custom p320 chambered in .357 sig has a capacity of 18 and fires at a much higher velocity. Its a 3.9" and still manages to push higher velocitys with simaler rounds than my .357 mag. Its honestly a none comparasson. I love .357 mag but unless you are talking about a coonan or something its antiquated compared to its younger brother. I also own a smith and wesson 2.0 in .357 sig a glock in .357 sig and my .357 mags are a taurus and a smith and wesson also a colt python. All great handguns. Honestly you are better off buying a 10mm and a .357 sig over a .357 mag but im just a random dumbass so take it with a grain of salt.

[@thepatriotsrage661]

That M&P 2.0 in .357Sig must be phenomenal! I have a 5" in 9x19.

[@thepatriotsrage661]

No dumbass, good to hear your take and experiences. What ammo do you carry in your .357's? I love all pistol calibers, but especially .40/10mm and .357Sig. Generally EDC a Glock 32 G4 with 125gr WW Ranger Bonded. Greets from South Africa.

[@doomguy8447]

@@thepatriotsrage661 Hey brother, I appreciate that. I carry either sig sauer brand 125 grain jacketed hollow points in .357 sig or winchester silver tip 155 grain in 40 s&w in my EDC. Right now I appendix carry the s&w shield 40 2.0 and I have barrels to swap between .357 sig and 40 s&w. I absolutly love the slim profile of a single stack even though I take a hit on capacity. I carry two extra mags and currently reside in a communist state though so i keep anything over 10 rounds at home.

[@aliman3229]

Love my Glock 32 357 Sig compact.

[@Will-ql5db]

*"Honestly you are better off buying a 10mm and a .357 sig over a .357 mag",* Well, you could be right, BUT, in this case, the argument becomes one of Revolver vs Semi-auto platforms. That's the reason why the 357 is on "safe territory", it's in a class all by itself. If you like revolvers (as i do), then you sort of accept the inefficiencies of losing some gas pressure through that cylinder gap. *"still manages to push higher velocitys with simaler rounds than my .357 mag.",* Yeah, and what make/model/barrel length is that? And remember, manufactures of revolvers all have different cylinder-gap distances (Rock Island Armory & Taurus are probably the worst).

[@garrettforchrist2700]

This is a highly appreciated video from me too! These paper plate test videos are great! That House of Payne ammo is slow. My hand loads are faster. Maybe we need to try a different brand.🇺🇲✝️🇺🇲

[@timshelley8635]

Great video! Surprised at the result as you were. Maybe the extra velocity helped?

[@kevincarter9921]

Very interesting brother. Glad to see you back on the air.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

I have had a new video every day for the past 2 years......

[@paulfryejr2918]

I have 357 Mag in a S&W PD 360 and 357 Sig in an Sig SP2340 with a conversion barrel for 40 S&W. Interesting results from you test. Thanks for the comparison.

[@scottscheuerman6170]

We’re the bullets both plated bullets or was the sig loaded with a true full metal jacket because the plated bullets will deform faster dumping it energy faster

[@revbikerbigd8664]

Should make a post of every one tested so far to date ! Side by side comparison of different ammo !

[@Anibal677]

A velocity of 1051 fps for a .357 magnum of 158 grains in a 4 inches barrel revolver is very low, most of the load of that weight with a revolver of 4 inches normally be at 1250 fps. 1050 fps is a normal velocity of the 158 grain load in a 2 inch barrel revolver.

[@juanpablosaenzcastaneda4643]

The Winchester load seemed pretty weak for a Magnum

[@peternorton5648]

I’ve seen a couple different videos featuring that House of Payne ammo. It seems like they load their rounds on the weak side. I wonder if you had some main brand ammo for the magnum if they wouldn’t be a bit more even.

[@chevyon37s]

I think with the 357 Sig going first it separated some of the plates making it harder for the magnum to penetrate. I say we try shooting them into separate stacks of plates and the results reverse.

[@jamesgreenfield9640]

Awesome video. Thanks. I know getting the guns to shoot these 3 rounds might be hard, but, what I would like to see comparing 6.5 Grendel, 6 ARC, 7.62X39, paper plates test, oh, maybe the 6.8 SPC 2.

[@jerrysmith3516]

The problem with this test is this was obviously a weak 357 mag round vs a good 357 Sig round. The 357 Sig was made to produce the stopping power of the 357 magnum in the 125 grain bullet and it does that well but being in an auto this is the best it will ever be while the 357 magnum has much hotter rounds because it can be loaded way hotter than this round was.

[@ace3000000]

357 mag definitely seemed like it was a weak load, however WWB isn’t exactly a hot round for 357 SIG either.

[@jerrysmith3516]

@@ace3000000 I just watched someone else on KZbin who put the 357 Sig against the 357 Magnum I forget the brand he was using but it was one of the better companies but he used the exact same brand and the 357 magnum was over 200 fps faster in the 125 grain. If I can find the video I'll send you a link.

[@kalaharimine]

Given the same FMJ type and weight of bullet, the higher velocity (higher energy, KE=1/2M×V2) cartridge should penetrate further.

[@wolfhuntersarmory]

I have guns in both calibers (Sig Saure SP2022 3.9" barrel in 357sig, and a Taurus 7 shot Tracker 4" barrel .357 magnum), and love them both. My only issue with both calibers is availability of the ammo. I can find some of both, but they aren't the best. I can only find Remington semi jacketed HP for the .357 mag and FMJ remans for the 347sig right now.

[@raouldukejj]

If you find those Remington semi jacketed hollow points going 1450 fps you'd do yourself a solid picking it up

[@teedermcdribble]

That sig round had roughly 120 ftlbs more energy over the chronograph. Thanks for the great vids.

[@jacspring5459]

1) The .357 Mag bullet looks to be plated - which means it's rather soft and so it deformed and slowed the penetration. 2) the .357 Mag velocity was no where near max while the .357 Sig was right at the top. Interesting though.

[@Maddog2047]

WTW, Another good video comparison. I agree with others that the same bullet's weight would have been ideal BUT with ammo shortages that is almost impossible. FYI, I have a 357 Sig in my Sig 229. I did test 125 gr weight in both in gell. The 357 sig did better and penetrated farther. The 357 sig is my CCW and I know it would do the job to eliminate the threat!

[@Spectral257]

Use underwood, corbon or double tap full power 125/124 grain ammo fmj for both. I'd like to see that test.

[@thepatriotsrage661]

Cool vid! Perhaps an apples for apples comparison with 125gr FMJ's on both sides would give a different result? The first shot on the .357Mag was on the low side, but that was likely a lighting issue with the chronie. I was very pleasantly surprised by the WWB 125gr .357Sig velocity, consistent and in the range of where .357Sig should be. I carry a Glock 32 Gen 4 with 125gr WW Ranger Bonded in the mags for EDC btw. Greets and best wishes from South Africa.

[@raouldukejj]

We all know that under 1300fps for a 357 mag is very very tame. Should have gone with 357 mags going more like 1500fps....

[@russellkeeling4387]

Often plated bullets for the .357 mag. are downloaded because the plating can come off at higher velocities. I've loaded quite a few of them and the boxes of bullets often give 1200 fps as a max. velocity to load to. I've also found them to be much less accurate than jacketed bullets.

[@adonian]

I LOVE my .357Sig... I had a bad time and needed cash back in the day and sold everything EXCEPT my .357Sig, glad I still have it since I can't get a new one in Commiefornia. The ammo isn't that hard to find LAX ammo is just 15 mile north of my house and they carry it (Thank God)

[@itsshamburger3277]

Just got a G31 357 sig love it and like how I came across this video to see how it performs

[@8mmmauser896]

You need to test both 125gr in both cartridges to have a equivalent test.

[@ojpaige3873]

Absolutely

[@Mr.Robert1]

When I became of age where I was able to walk into my local gun store and purchase handguns I noticed the Taurus line. Always assumed that people were buying them because they are less expensive. I don't buy a gun everyday I decided to go with a brand that I know and that was the Smith & Wesson .357 Magnum. I got it in the 4-inch Barrel and went with Pachmayr grips as I found the wood grips to be a little big for my hands. I pose the question. Why would anybody look to save a few dollars when it comes to self defense, protecting one's family ? As I got older and my income increased every time I went in to purchase a rifle, shotgun, or handgun I always looked at the most expensive that money could buy. Again guns and not purchased everyday, is it really worth the savings? I don't think so.

[@RandomInternetProfile]

Should've straightened the plates after the first round. Had space in between the 2 bags of plates.

[@Z06C5]

Fun video. Was buying 357 Sig. For 13.99 a box. 18 months ago. Now it’s 57.99 a box. Outrageous. Price gouging by ammo companies. Love that 357 sig

[@SOLOLIKETHECUP212]

I carry (daily) g31 gen 4 and I absolutely love it!!

[@Freakingstang]

I normally don’t nit pick these videos because I love them, but this one was bogus from the get go. Plated soft lead low power reloads vs hard jacket hard lead factory Ammo. Of course the sig came out in top of this test. Do it again with real 357 mag Ammo with similar bullet construction and weight. I own both calibers and equal for equal, they are almost identical in expansion, penetration and velocity.

[@snailsfrogslegs119]

The first shot (sig) was on plates that were pressed together, so you are seeing forward projection of force of the impact, not the bullet path. The second shot (mag) was on plates already separated by the first shot and did not project the impact force forward of the bullet path. Since you did not find the sig, you cannot make the assertion that it travelled farther. In fact, it probably didn't.

[@jeffreylocke8808]

Soft point bullet on 357 magnum meant it would expand and stop sooner like a parachute opening.

[@clydebailliff]

Brother, I would love to see a comparison between the WWII .30 cal. carbine round vs. the 350 LGD in similar barrel lengths. My mind is exploring the similarities and differences of the two. What say Ye Brother Hootily Hoo? Love your work, and God bless you and yours!

[@garyeaton5719]

Good video also looked like the 357 Sig had less recoil, maybe not that much since I didn’t hear you comment about it.

[@evansmith2279]

E=MV^2. Energy equals mass times velocity squared. The velocity is generally more important than the mass in regards to penetration.

[@davidhandyman7571]

A revolver has a gap between the chamber and the barrel that allows gas to escape and therefore, less efficient. The loss of energy may mean the sig will penetrate better. Either way, I don't want to be shot with either. Also different weights makes a difference. I noticed the 357 mag shot had a gap between the stacks. This would mean the plates had less inertia and therefore absorb more energy. This means the 357 mag was a false result.

[@bdr32965]

The penetration of that .357 sig surprised me. Like you, I thought that .357 maga num boolot would penetrate farther than it did. By the way, glad to see another fan of Taurus pistols, I have a Taurus M44 and have been wanting to get a Taurus model 66 but with the 6 inch barrel.

[@chrislang5659]

Glad you're back at Heavy Metal!

[@halfcirclehranch]

If you had better .357 magnum, it may have come out on top. That ammo was rather slow and inconsistent. .357 magnum FMJ with decent power is rather hard to find, though.

[@markgriffin9287]

I said to you I just got that colt trooper 357 mag from the 70s (ish)

[@timothymccune2101]

Great job bud ,getting pretty darn smooth .

[@troger63]

Interesting observation I load for 9 mm , 10mm, 357 sig , 357 magnum , 44 magnum , 45lc and a couple of rifle cartridges. One thing I’ve noticed is how consistent 357 sig is with most ammo manufacturers. Many of the other Calibers under perform their specified performance. Most ammo manufacturers definitely under perform on their loadings ! 10 mm is loaded very weak with most manufacturers.

[@scottcooksey5284]

I don't know,,, I'm calling redo with better 357 Magnum ammo. That was a whole lot of deviation off your Chrono test.

[@jamesgroves5294]

I love my Glock 31 in .357 sig! It was my EDC for years. I still like carrying it in a chest rig for the Oklahoma woods. Great content 🙏🏿🇺🇸

[@AndrewMartinez1776Redux]

As for me I'd go with the .357 sig because out of a 4" barrel it has better velocity compared to a .357 magnum out of a 4" Barrel. The reason why is because the sig has no extra gases escaping before it leaves the bore; unlike the 357 magnum. I still like the 357 magnum though. Edit: Another plus for the 357 sig is you have 16+1 shots compared to 6-8 shots in .357 magnum revolver.

[@MrRedeyedJedi]

From previous videos I've seen, typically 357 mag has more power than 357 Sig. 357 Sig overall is on par with 38spl. This was an inconsistent test because of the variation between ammunition types.

[@Blender345]

Seeing as 9mm has more power than 38 special I think it’s safe to say 357 sig is more powerful than 38 special

[@MrRedeyedJedi]

@@Blender345 only standard pressure 38spl. Due to the fact the cartridge has the ability to hold more powder than a 9mm.

[@MrRedeyedJedi]

@@Blender345 and before you come back with something it's no different to 22 short and 22lr, but if they were loaded differently the 22 short could appear to be more powerful.

[@terrydunn5784]

@@MrRedeyedJedi lol, like 38 Special is a 1400fps round. Typical 38 Special 125 JHP rounds clock under 1000fps from a longer barrel.

[@mrpibb7781]

I have a mid 90s p229 in 357 Sig that is my absolute favorite EDC. Just ordered a "Battle Axe" alligator leather holster for it from Southern Trapper. Little gift to myself courtesy of Uncle Sam!

[@TheBeando]

The paper plate test is my favorite from your channel. Runner up would have to be the time you shot your truck bed.

[@SuperBman1221]

125 gr 357 mmagnum gets up near 1550 fps (handloads) 357 sig is 1350 both within safety limits

[@dr.froghopper6711]

Broader cross section on the magnum and friction slowed it considerably. It was going slower anyway. NM State Police chose the Sig because they thought it would blow an engine block on a semi. That was years ago and I don’t know if they stuck with it. Sure sorry about the camera Adam. If I had money I would definitely donate to the cause. The economy has gone nuts and disability benefits don’t go very far. But I’m digging the content man!

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Appreciate you watching

[@Albinosnake1997]

Nmsp uses 9mm M&p 9

[@colt10mmsecurity68]

Cool video but flawed test, as it wasn’t a fair comparison. Next time, use a .357 magnum with a 125gr FMJ.

[@jaredmaki892]

That house of pain ammo seems to be really inconsistent. I’m yet to see any testing that shows it’s loaded with any consistency

[@daflea66]

Ive watched guys at the range fire that Payne ammo and its not consistent in muzzle velocity and was always WELL under advertised FPS. Fun test would be rounds with the same bullet, maybe a copper solid or a hardcast buffalo bore loading. Something consistent.

[@whiplash8277]

Have both, carry both, love both. Thanks WTW