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Crazy Fast 9mm!!! 2600 FPS!!!
Crazy Fast 9mm!!! 2600 FPS!!! Watermelon Test 🍉🍉🍉 Does Bullet Speed Matter???
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[@WHOTEEWHO]

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[@robinhartman7559]

Can you do a video of the 50gr on a clay block? That stuffs impressive! It's like what a 17hmr does, Vaporizes upon impact.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Good idea

[@danielsmith5937]

Thanks to a fellow Tennessean.

[@Cr0wmagnum]

Thanks ! I'm thinking this might be just the thing for use inside the house.

[@guytech7310]

Can you recover the 50 grain and show what it looks like after the watermelon. Also try on some like plywood & compare with other hollow point 9mm rounds. Thanks for the interesting video!

[@justinv4036]

You stumbled across some physics: Kinetic energy = 0.5 × mass × velocity squared Soooo, you can see that increasing the mass (making the bullet heavier) increases the energy in a linear fashion, but increasing the velocity increases the energy exponentially. There's also the matter of transferring that energy to the target... So not only was that 50gr bullet likely carrying more energy than the other 2, but it dumped partically 100% of that energer into the mellon. The other huge benefit is recoil reduction, especially if you have a compensated or ported gun. Comps work most efficiently the lighter and faster the bullet is. These are the most comfortable loads I found for shooting out of a micro 9 mm, but shooting them out of a compensated g19 feels closer to a 22LR than anything else.

[@tinali9200]

No shit Sherlock

[@justinv4036]

@@tinali9200 elementary, not shit, my dear Watson. Do try to keep up...

[@1980Baldeagle]

@@tinali9200 dig deeper Watson.

[@88997799]

Simple… More weight twice the kinetic energy… However increase the speed it’s 4x the kinetic energy. It’s speed that kills. Always does…

[@atmacm]

Yeah, that’s a stretch Bub.

[@screamingeagle9553]

That civil defense 50 grain must be the one that pops lungs 🫁 out! 😂

[@toolmakerbest1584]

Beat me to it! 😂😂

[@kerrypaulson2591]

@@theroller5673 Harley

[@DANTHETUBEMAN]

lung removal machine. total amosexual

[@screamingeagle9553]

@@ratbagley right the speed of life round! Makes total sense on why so many IRS agents are needed! They are trying to save lives! C’mon Brandon! Wait….Let’s go Bran, yes two scopes please!

[@woowoo8801]

Blows the lungs out of the body not pops. Lol

[@_cal_techie]

The Liberty ammunition is probably the most underrated 9mm ammo. Lighter weight and recoil, epic damage, no penetration. The old Liberty videos showed the results of against store bought chickens. Amazing!

[@garytroutman7790]

It is a DEVASTATING round. I recently had an accidental discharge to my right hand with one. I know what it is capable of.

[@kennethross9310]

Can you get it in .380?

[@garytroutman7790]

@@kennethross9310 yes

[@davidschaadt3460]

I have some in .38 spl. And they make other calibers.

[@deadizbetter]

​@garytroutman7790 details bro that's crazyyy

[@Chris-pd7lg]

In the kinetic energy formula speed is squared while mass is not. So if you had the option to either double the speed or double the grains for hitting power your best bet is to always opt for speed, especially in what would be typical pistol ranges. Kinetic energy on target will change with distance so the 40-50 yards in the Eli Dickinson situation heavier "maybe" better. It would be interesting to see at what distance each weight speed combination would flip flop

[@robe4314]

This guy maths!

[@scottlubsen9004]

Your groups would be tighter with the lighter round I would think, Less recoil.

[@joshrandall3632]

True, but energy is not the deciding factor in a bullet's stopping power. It's one of many factors but not the only one or even the most important. If a bullet can't make it through a watermelon it will not likely be able to penetrate deep enough to hit vital organs or the CNS. The Lucky Gunner video explains this in detail.

[@Tmarc7665]

I bet at pistol range hits it’s gonna hurt

[@joshrandall3632]

@@Tmarc7665 Yeah, it will definitely hurt. That's usually not enough, but no reason not to try.

[@richkeylor787]

The speed of those Liberty CDs is a factor, but dumping all that energy instantly made that watermelon pop. Outstanding video.

[@peacemaker-du4hz]

I sure wasn't expecting that out of such a light bullet, 2000+ is impressive

[@logoscrescendo609]

I have those civil liberty defense rounds in 9mm, .223, and 300Blackout. Absolutely love them. Less recoil too. They're spun on a lathe and are super consistent and therefore accurate. They also go through car doors just fine - they only expand once they hit a liquid substance that causes the hydraulic expansion.

[@peacemaker-du4hz]

@@logoscrescendo609 I wonder if they come in .45

[@richardfuerst5286]

@@peacemaker-du4hz I carry Liberty in my 45 every day. 1900 fps! ❤

[@peacemaker-du4hz]

@@richardfuerst5286 well that answers that question. Thanks for the reply,I guess I'll have to see if I cant find some

[@lambsauce5312]

Doesn't a bullet being lighter almost always make it go faster????

[@Joe_Not_A_Fed]

The biggest surprise was that 2 brands out of 3 understated their velocity. That's so rare it must be illegal.

[@beargillium2369]

@@shiftd_1114 also hot day=thin air makes a big difference, looks like this may be at some altitude as well

[@hannobaali_makendali]

Polygonal barrel pressures matter. Glocks, etc…?

[@JJ-xt1nc]

Your clearly a Democrat, it must be illegal really you would wanna bring legal action against a company for producing a product that's better than advertised . And no dip shit one product was over estimated and one under estimated its product there estimations of the fps not guarantees .

[@bobfoster687]

@@beargillium2369 not sure, but I think cold is lighter. Less water vapor.

[@alfredsutton4412]

LOL … I’d rather have understated than overstated.

[@jakenieten]

I’ve been carrying those Civil Defense 50gr rounds for years. They hit like a freight train and weigh less than half of 115gr. The weight difference is massive at the end of the day when carrying! So much lighter!

[@Meh-hr7gq]

How’s recoil??

[@jakenieten]

@@Meh-hr7gq it’s a tad snappier than 115gr, but it certainly feels less snappy than 124gr when I shoot both from various pistols. It has always seemed to me like this 50gr 9mm is comparable to 5.7x28 since they have similar velocities and piercing abilities. It’s the only ammo I like to carry…and it’s lighter!! I wonder what the total bullet weight of this compared to 5.7 is. It might be the best bugout bullet and caliber. I mean, you can start off with something similar to 5.7 as far as weight and velocity, but if you run out, it will be MUCH easier to find 9mm than anything else. Just a thought.

[@dastarddizaster]

@@jakenieten i called Liberty and asked if they had plans to do a 5.7x28 and they said no. I think it would be difficult to get much lighter than 29gr like FN SS198 which for me, has been fast and impressive.

[@GunBigotHater]

I agree about the weight! Back in the 80’s, CCI made a 45 caliber round, 200 gr., with a deep, wide, hollow point, dubbed, “the Flying Ashtray!” I miss that round, but it came out in Blazer Aluminum cartridges, which saved even more weight. Berdan priming, used on the aluminum cases, are reputed to be more survivable over time.

[@GodGunsGills]

Amen brother! I love them and have tested them against many of objects! They're amazing

[@30calibear87]

I love that you are using the model 59, you never see that pistol anymore and it's one of my favorites. My father carried it on duty for a brief time in the 1980s as a police officer in San Bernardino CA and my grandfather used it as his nightstand gun for 20 plus years after my dad gave it to him when he went to a beretta 92 in the 90's. I carry it sometimes when I'm feeling nostalgic. So cool.

[@CJ-ty8sv]

Since Energy is 1/2MV² (M = Mass and V = Velocity), one should already know that the velocity is a HUGE factor since its the velocity "squared". The actual energy values for each using the average speed seen by each is as follows, REM 115gn @ 1140fps = 332lb/ft of energy NORMA 108gn @ 1139fps = 311lb/ft of energy LIBERTY 50gn @ 2135fps = 506lb/ft of energy As we can see, there is about a 63% increase (+/- a % or two depending on if you compare to the REM or the NORMA) in energy for the 50gn LIBERTY's despite being less than half the weight (46% the weight of the 108's and 43% of the 115's) while only picking up about 53% average speed over the other two. Basically 4X% less weight @ 5X% more speed equated to a 6X% increase in energy. The thing however is distance and loss of speed. That much lighter 50gn LIBERTY probably looses a ton of speed quickly to where at any decent distance, the other two are going to likely have more energy. As a personal defense ammo though, distance generally isn't going to be a concern since more than likely should you be in a situation to need it for defense, you'll likely be well within 25yrds. *EDIT:* Corrected the average speed for the Liberty ammo since I accidently typed in 2200 (max speed) rather than 2135 like the average really is.

[@matthewlewis-zw3tf]

Very nice!

[@OnTheRiver66]

Wow! By cutting the weight in half to 50 grains and doubling the velocity to 2200 fps the energy is doubled - over 500 ft-lbs. That carries it to the next level! And no worry about over penetration.

[@CrisBogley]

If it had a tip of tungsten with that velocity it would go through level 3 armor, so imagine that plus a switch 😆

[@thebuzzcjc]

A guy I work with told me about these and I bought some a while back and have been carrying in my Glock 17. There is a video showing the little 50 grain at 2000+ fps blowing through soft armor as well. The reduction in carried weight is greatly appreciated as well.

[@beargillium2369]

You carry a full size g17 but notice a 3oz difference?

[@Horror_Film_Aficionado]

@@beargillium2369 hahahahahahahahahaaha

[@Horror_Film_Aficionado]

@@beargillium2369 I carry 2 glock 17s gen 3 inside the waste band my ammo is always Speergolddot 124+p best 9mm round out there and what security and police use

[@DeviantHarbinger]

@@Horror_Film_Aficionado incorrect. The speer gold dot is similar to the norma ammo in this video. Overpenetration concerns, on top of the bullet itself rarely expands like it's supposed to. This liberty civil defense stuff is the best personal defense 9mm ammo on the market atm, when used against a soft target.

[@DeviantHarbinger]

The liberty civil defense absolutely will not pierce soft armor. With an average of only 6-7" of penetration in ballistics gel (aka an unprotected soft target), with expansion starting on average at the 1.25" mark, how would it pierce soft armor?

[@richardpartin9378]

I have the 10mm liberty defense ammo. They are absolutely ridiculous. What is so great is you actually get all the energy of the round in the target. They can penetrate level 3 armor. But once they hit soft tissue or liquid the cavity fill and they literally explode. 780 ft lbs of energy. And none is wasted. You don’t have to worry about over penetration. But it will penetrate enough to destroy whatever it hits. I was very impressed with them.

[@beetee4295]

Who-Tee, this is a game changer- 9mm with more velocity than .357. Amazing. Great video- thank you!

[@stuartowens3506]

Yup. Liberty has been loaded in my EDC for awhile now. Another gun channel displayed Liberty 9mm defeating Level IIIA armor, and another showed very good ballistic gel results. I don’t know how you can go wrong with this amazing ammo.

[@shanescatsandcannabisfarm2965]

I have a mag of it... I have that mag while in the car in case of a traveling gun fight so I can go through the car doors and glass easily... BUT when I get out and am on foot I load my Hornady Critical Defense mag in my gun.... Which is a XD40... 165gr @ 1,175 ft/s. = 500 ft-Lb's... The liberty Civil defense is 60gr @ 2,000 ft/s.. which is 530 ft-Lb's... Both have their place and use...

[@judgestacker9472]

Carry guns you should consolidate platforms and calibers. I own 45 acp and 9mm handguns of different brands but only keep my 9mm Glocks staged for defensive use. All my defensive guns use the same mags (except my single 26 mag won't go in my 17 or 34 of course) also if I find myself in a situation where I'm fighting along side law enforcement, 90% chance we can share magazines if needed.

[@SonnyCrocket-p6h]

@@shanescatsandcannabisfarm2965 it wont pierce glass waf, I bet. you'd better "think" again on that one. and go get a chunk of windshield glass from the junkyard and try it out.

[@shanescatsandcannabisfarm2965]

@@SonnyCrocket-p6h already have man...

[@shanescatsandcannabisfarm2965]

@@SonnyCrocket-p6h waiting on my apology still....

[@hiroprotagonist525]

Speed increases the joules by a LOT! Where a heavier round becomes more relevant is for downrange energy retention and BC qualities. If the speed difference is negligible between two rounds, then the heavier one will pack more punch, but if the speed is significantly higher, then yes, that lighter round will pack more punch short range. I would have been curious to see that last round out of that carbine... I'm pretty sure that water melon would have exploded in a shower of pulp! As you know, it's always a toss-up between what the intended purpose of the round is and the range it will be used at and the barrel length it will be shot at... an easy example of that is let's say the .17HMR VS .22 LR... the HMR will pretty much explode on contact with less penetration than the .22 LR, and both of those rounds have their place depending on what you want to do with them and in what circumstances.... Hence the wide variety of loads and rounds. Where things get more complicated is when you try to choose between two calibers for an all-purpose round/caliber, but if you have the option of different loads within the same caliber, then the options open-up. But ya, try having a go at the water melons with that carbine...

[@mikismays3760]

KE = 1/2 m V^2

[@FirearmEnthusiast]

Depends on distance as well. Bullet drop-off is way more significant on heavier bullets than lighter ones. Most likely to hit the target at POA/POI with the lighter bullet. At 100 yards in handgun calibers it doesn't make any sense to opt for heavy for caliber bullets unless you stick to 230 grain in .45ACP.

[@TheProfessordank]

On the civil defense rounds the pedals come off and there is a little penetrator on the bottom that keeps traveling. There are some tests showing it in a gel block

[@dbx1233]

As far as the weight and speed of the 50 grain, it's similar to a .223 round. Light weight and extremely fast, for pistol. Watching how much more energy the 50-grain bullet dumped into the watermelon compared to the heavier rounds was an eye opener.

[@andypeterson8013]

Energy is important in ballistics. Speed is not everything and weight is not everything. You need a balance. Whenever the bullet leaves the body, that is all wasted energy. You want the bullet to stay in the body for maximum energy transfer.

[@matthewkloep8391]

Velocity takes exponitaly more energy

[@busardr1452]

The .223 they have goes 3000 fps

[@sheezy3962]

Yeah this shit will blow your shoulder into pieces. I picked it up years ago before people found out about them.

[@jasonlopez4855]

@@busardr1452 308 win will go 3500 fps smoking what I like to use in my LR-RIFLE Liberty animal ammo. The best.

[@379Pete]

Stumbled across this ammo some time ago, and haven’t carried anything else since. The weight alone makes it worth it. Thank you for the video.

[@robertwest3093]

A man after my own heart with that first gen S&W 59!

[@dennisowen3717]

Wow. That 50 grainer really is an explosive bullet. That would be a perfect Home defense or personal defense type bullet. Can you imagine what it would do if it were to hit something with Bone. It would more than likely explode or even cause a greater amount of Hydrostatic Shock than a heavier hollow point bullet going much slower. I'm sold on it. Now if only I can get some.

[@spankthemonkey3437]

It turns a pistol caliber carbine into a very capable gun specially say a head shot at 200 plus yards

[@knrz2562]

Sounds like a hunting scenario beyond home defense

[@ShipleyPhoto]

Impressive…yes. What happens if the bullet goes through demin or winter clothes? I bought some but not what I carry. (in theory, the 50 grain is close to a 7" 5.56 rifle. At least within 7-10 yards)

[@thomascsmlth9126]

That was very interesting, speed differently makes a difference thanks for the video.

[@phild8095]

Someone should send Paul Harrell a box of these. It's got me wondering, would it penetrate through clothes, a rib, and mangle a bag of oranges? Or would it go all the way to the new and improved fleece bullet stop.

[@ericbergfield6451]

I'm so glad you tested Norma's new 108 hollow point ammo, I just tested it at the range 3 days ago out of my 3.25" Bond Arms Bullpup9. Also it's crazy you bought the 50gr bullets from Liberty Ammo from Civil Defense, that's gotta be some "next level" ammo!

[@papajon6715]

If you watched closely the Norma split the melon stem to stern but didn't 'explode' it like the Liberty...

[@Kiamors]

The Norma is better than the Civil defense ammo in numerous gel tests. It's what I carry now since my local store can't keep Hornaday in stock. It did better than the Hornaday stuff too so it might be permanent.

[@alvinstone8241]

We have tested Liberty civil defense on pork shoulders and various cuts of meat and it will actually shred bone, it goes in three to five inches and basically explodes if you look at the slow motion gel testing you can see what this stuff does to a block of gel... when you are potentially having to shoot someone in a self-defense situation you absolutely do not want something that overpenetrates this stuff is vicious way better than norma...

[@bamaknifeguy]

I’ve been carrying these Liberty Defense rounds in my Glock 43 for few years. My wife carries the same ones in her self defense carry gun. I like them and I got the same results shooting them through a crono. 2010 fps was my average out of a 43. I like the speed and the lack of over penetration. Good stuff man. Nice video. Thanks.

[@jeffersonexotic2486]

How’s the recoil with the Liberty in your 43? I carry a 43 often and have a box of these rounds I was thinking of testing and perhaps carrying. 🧐👍

[@bamaknifeguy]

@@jeffersonexotic2486 Not too bad. You can definitely tell they are moving fast coming outta the barrel but if nobody told me they were in there and handed it too me and I shot it ….I’d probably just assume it was just some standard loaded +P. Nothing crazy. I like them. I especially like them for winter carry to add some extra speed to defeat many layers or thick jackets if the situation presented itself.

[@shawnperico7221]

Out of a shorter barrel geez?

[@jasonlopez4855]

Thas all I carry in my P-89 for years I got a lot of liberty ammo for a good price. I like this ammo for hunting.

[@rogerwood5228]

@@bamaknifeguy I wouldn't consider that 50gr round to be ideal for winter carry. I've seen many light for caliber hollow points get clogged up with material, fail to expand, tumble over and penetrate backwards out the target. You don't get the proper energy transfer that the bullet was designed to offer and that requires proper expansion. You'll effectively be shooting a high velocity 50gr wadcutter. A better round for winter would be something like Hornady's 130gr Critical Duty, that will penetrate heavy clothing easily and have more reliable expansion and energy transfer given its ballistic tip. I like the concept of the 50gr but it's for t-shirt weather to me.

[@jacobbeard8037]

I love the liberty. I found it a few years ago and have been carrying it ever since. Everything I hit it with explodes. Super light in the magazine. Hard to find sometimes though. I wouldn't carry anything else now.

[@codyslayer6715]

How is accuracy at longer ranged shots? 20-30 yards, 40 max. Mainly for hog hunting distance is why I ask. I carry Hornady Critical but these are dang impressive, seen em before but have been skeptical as I know firsthand my ammo works for me. This might work better though

[@shaylakesler8061]

@@codyslayer6715 Seems to hold good out to 50 yards or so. I'm sure it would go longer but effectiveness will probably start to drop.

[@johnshields9110]

That 50 grain load is impressive. About 45 years ago I carried 88 grain HP in my Smith Model 39. Bullet performance, and powders, have improved so much!

[@VivereLiberumSeuMori]

Speed kills. Liberty is a devastating round, it's also a type of fragmentation round so great for self defense and EDC. The weight is crazy, I'm a press-checker, especially when using the Liberty....feels like carrying an empty weapon. Not sure how they do against barriers, but not something you wanna get hit with. Cool vid brother!

[@charlesdean640]

A comparison between the 50 grain and a 5.7x28 would be sweet since they are traveling about the same speed.

[@germaxicus6670]

I didn’t believe the 50 grain pills would actually be moving that fast. Very impressive

[@gasolinedreams2691]

Please do more tests with liberty civil defense. Really intriguing. Love to see a few layers of denim in front of balistics gel, maybe through some drywall etc. looks like a decent round.

[@jimmyruger7529]

another good channel , Gun Sam Revolver Aficionado

[@atmacm]

It’s shit self defense ammo. Just a gimmick

[@OneSquaredG]

I've seen several try this ammo and iirc it does not do well. As paul Harrell would point out the poa/poi of using this compared to something in a more standard weight and velocity range would likely be significant, but potentially not or not in all guns. The gel tests I've seen I believe have this lacking penetration and the bullet fragments big-time. It looked pretty good here but I'm not sure about how it basically grenaded on the front. Would that be better than like a +p jhp in terms of stopping a threat? Looks gnarly.

[@OneSquaredG]

Nope, i was wrong. Just went and rewatched Paul's video and they did quite well on the meat target! Lol. His beretta did have the poi shift down in a meaningful way but an m&p 9c he shot did not have a significant shift. Otherwise same over-velocity and damage. I'm gonna go find some gel tests.

[@evanthompson5506]

​@@OneSquaredG penetration doesn't matter in a defense situation people got it all wrong , a big ass wound cavity and the force of the bullet would drop your ass on impact

[@rezlogan4787]

I often shoot an 1851 Navy with an 83 grain roundball and it impresses me how much energy is dumped in a target at 1,000 feet per second. Light projectiles moving at ridiculous speeds are an excellent choice.

[@shanekelly1374]

Brilliant comparo. Very impressed with the 50g projectile

[@DB-rg2dk]

Wow, that liberty round is impressive, that might become my carry and home defense ammo based on damage and lack of over penetration

[@richardfuerst5286]

It's my edc ammo in my 45!

[@jonahpatton8879]

Better than a sharp stick I guess...

[@DB-rg2dk]

@@jonahpatton8879 what are you trying to say?

[@jonahpatton8879]

@@DB-rg2dk consistently fails to penetrate deep enough to reliably reach vital organs, and the deepest penetrating segment weighs significantly less than a .22 and is a flat disc with the diameter of a buckshot pellet.

[@icaanul]

A lot of FTF complaints so factor that into whether you want it to be your self-defense carry.

[@tythomps]

In putting a load into a cartridge, usually the limiting factor is pressure. And the bad thing heavy bullets have going for them is they create more pressure with an equal amount of powder than a light bullet does. So light bullets can use that to their advantage... More powder behind a lighter bullet = A LOT more velocity. And since powder is the energy generator... You get more Kinetic Energy (but not necessarily more momentum). 50 grain bullet at 2200 fps has twice the kinetic energy of a 100 grain bullet at 1100 fps And more velocity also helps with bullet expansion. This liberty defense company seems to have a good handle on this 👍

[@MichaelKMorris]

Don't overlook the lower recoil too - for some reason I can't explain, a bullet with greater energy than a heavy one has half the recoil...these are like shooting just a little more than a .25 caliber pistol. The flash and bang is louder, but the impact on your hand is negligible...a perfect round for small sensitive people.

[@ejrupp9555]

A 50gr@1,555.635 fps would equal the 100gr@1100 fps. 455.6.35 more fps = 41.4% faster. (155.635-1100)/1100 = 41.4%. @50% faster (550 more fps) the 50gr has 25% more energy. Add an additional 550 fps to that and you get 75% more K.E. It's exponential 1/2(mass)(velocity²). Accuracy is a function of the square of time/ the cube of sectional density (t²/m³). It is a function of chaos from initial state to final state. A lighter faster bullet decreases the numerator to improve accuracy. A larger mass increases the denominator to improve accuracy. Mass does it better than speed, because the power of 3 > 2. These civil defense bullets are awesome at or above the speed of sound due to the shock wave, below the shock wave speed, you want mass. Read this as don't shoot them at far away targets and expect them to do the same, because at that point you are effectively shooting bird shot out of a shot gun. Air resistance slows a lighter bullet faster and decelerates proportionally to it's velocity. You probably have a good understanding of that but someone else who reads your comment might not and extrapolate a linear relationship. It's simple math but not necessarily common sense.

[@ejrupp9555]

Yeah, I have them and alternate them with Federal 147 HP's in my EDC 9mm12round with my last 6 Lawman 147 TMJ. In my 8round pocket gun all civil defense. As the situation changes ... have something to fit that situation. That's the plan anyway. Love how light they are ... a pocket 380 with 8 rounds is stupid light. I wouldn't carry a 380 if it weren't for these rounds as they just barely meet my personal requirements.

[@tythomps]

@@ejrupp9555 yes, I completely agree

[@MrLoobu]

Grade 4 math, velocity has twice the effect on energy that mass does.

[@dustinspitzer761]

Be interesting to see how it does comparatively in terms of barrier penetration such as a car door or something.

[@aaronmcneal1698]

It will punch through level 3 like butter. Look up the vids. It's some impressive stuff

[@lousmith5264]

There is a video showing a car door in front of a gel block.

[@walk12288]

@@aaronmcneal1698 IIIA

[@dastarddizaster]

It zips through car doors and explodes gallon water jugs in my 5" Banshee. It's a very decent performer in an AR pistol and the 5" and 8" uppers I own.

[@EC-sv1ns]

Splatterized!... My man coined a new term! Great info. Thank you sir.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Thanks for watching!

[@Theozman2]

From SAAMI Based on the general equation for kinetic energy, Ek=½mv2, which directly uses mass (m) and velocity (v), the following formula is used to calculate the kinetic energy of a projectile (expressed in foot-pounds): E=(W*V2)/(14000*gc). In this formula, W = weight of projectile, in grains; V = velocity, in feet per second; gc= gravitational constant, 32.174 ft/s2

[@johnmikel5934]

Norma MHP works for me. Crazy how slow the crono showed, but expansion is crazy in jelly. The Liberty is +P so thats an important factor and I like the accurate crono speed. Damage is huge, jelly penetration needs testing on them all. Thanks for the interesting informative post.

[@WallabieMcDee]

Yinzer

[@Xtreme_Airgun_Slugs]

Wow! 750 ft-lbs of energy with those Civil Defense 50 grainers!

[@timothybayliss6680]

@Lurch7861 imma call you out on one thing. 100k rounds. Almost nobody has done that. Even a member of the marine Corp putting 250rd down range six days a week would take more than a year before they can do "anything useful". I have heard some stupidity on the internet before, nothing quite like this. Even the US army ranger class is only 62 days.

[@alexlevinson8629]

@Lurch7861 I agree with some of what you said, and agree that people are typically too cheap to pay for the important stuff once the big items (guns) have been purchased, and that people need to be pickier about their ammo. That being said, saying someone needs to shoot 100k rounds before being able to do anything is total nonsense. It’s just not true. Some people are able to shoot a case and be proficient enough to be effective, and some people sling 50k rounds a year and wouldn’t be able to perform under pressure. There’s a lot more to it than round count, and 100k (or any standard you choose before people are effective) is just patently false. Additionally, going for headshots is stuff out of the movies. Not even the top tier military schools teach that. Most teach rounds on target are good rounds, and center mass is a great aiming point. You don’t have to have a headshot to neutralize a threat, and going for a headshot only every time is likely more dangerous than a few to the chest or pelvis. Again, I respect your opinion, and I think we likely agree on a lot more than just what’s here in this thread, but you seem to have a few old school notions that just aren’t 100% correct.

[@merlinnorris817]

Enjoyed the video as always that's crazy speed true enough We're only worried about penetration in self defense Cool you hit the metal plate on that 1st shot

[@rtmacabio]

Nice to see more different kinds of ammo for the 9mm. I also have a 38 super and for me it solves the issues of knockdown power and velocity.

[@finaltouchautodetailingllc]

I'd love to see you pop clay blocks with all three rounds from each gun

[@leviyouler3362]

6:35 Watermelon evidence is by far the most reliable way to check bullet power, everyone knows that. 😂😂😂😂😂💯✌

[@paulm749]

To be fair, KZbin would take the video down if he used cadaver heads...

[@leviyouler3362]

@@paulm749 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@LarrySealeArcheryCoach]

also car door. Also 3A armor. Also Paul's meat target.

[@Sp1der44]

Great demonstration of the various loads - those 50 grain ones are very impressive indeed! Excellent Video. 👍

[@hughgrection3052]

And if you think that 9mm liberty is nasty, try the 60 grain 10mm! I have some of both. I loaded my MPX SMG with them and it took a ton of weight off a loaded stick mag. Careful with those other brands like the Norma, But they're longer than other 9mm and will jam your pistol up when trying to cycle out unfired rounds or duds. Liberty is fine.

[@hughgrection3052]

@Lurch7861 yeah I had one once. They're good suppressor hosts also because they're barrels don't tilt during firing too. Mine was an M1A1 I think model. But yeah I saw once they specced that it needed to be able to single feed ammo when locked back on an empty mag. So I tried it, and sure enough it snapped shut and ate the round properly after just tossing it loose in there lol

[@robertzimmerman9194]

I would like to see more, different calibers, of the Liberty Critical Defense ammo test like 45ACP, 40 S&W and 10MM.

[@spankthemonkey3437]

Yea like a +p 50 grain 10mm we looking at 4000fps🤣

[@adriangaray1530]

Liberty Civil Defense

[@dastarddizaster]

@@spankthemonkey3437 Now I'd buy that 😀

[@RadDadisRad]

Did not expect that. That’s really impressive. Curious how it does against some clothes.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Surprised me

[@chrisaerts6489]

@@WHOTEEWHO Really surprised me . Put clothes in front of it????

[@chrisaerts6489]

@@WHOTEEWHO I just watched the 357 44 500 video. That what I expected more than just a hole.

[@johnwiik4885]

If it dumped all the energy in the melon it’s safe to say it would do the same in clothes. All thee energy ! IMPRESSIVE !

[@spankthemonkey3437]

@@johnwiik4885 it might be a little past the clothes

[@peterodriguez2508]

Thank you for making realistic, fun to watch videos that the average shooter can really relate to, excellent job!

[@PJ-is1jy]

Insane ! Interesting.... 50 grains ... I mean 55 grain m193 is like 3200 out of a 16 inch so... 50 grains 2400 fps form a 9mm pistol I didn't think possible ... Whao! That's a crazy crazy little hollow point and cool looking too

[@LClaypool]

50g seems great on soft matter splatrizing. Would love to see it hit a piece of drywall or plywood. Thanks for the video. Great editing.

[@WhiteDwarfVR4]

Primus sucks.

[@LClaypool]

@@WhiteDwarfVR4 twang ditty dang bang.

[@TheGeekiestGuy]

Good to see the testing, WTW. Thank you for your time and the content. I hope you and everybody in this community are having a good one. Stay cool, and safe out there. 🤙🏾

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Appreciate you watching

[@matthewgarrison294]

Impressive! Most impressive! It would be Very interesting to see what those 50grn would do to a block of ballistic gel. Thank you for the vid sir.

[@joelquinn2037]

Model 59 perfect perfect firearm about 20 years ago I had a model 5906 I wish I'd never gotten rid of it

[@user-pk2fg8im4u]

Those averages are Remington, 1140.3, Norma 1139, Liberty 2135. Out of a pistol, those first two are dang good, Liberty at over 2100 is quite impressive. Now it's up to each of us to decide if you want velocity, or penetration. Great video.

[@patricksims9080]

Wow those are on another level! Wonder if those 50 grainers would hold a good group at 100 yards with the carbine?

[@dastarddizaster]

I have zero issues hitting an 18" plate with a G43, G17 at 100yds and it doesn't require high holds when zero is 50yds. I haven't tried gallon jugs at that distance, but I'd expect positive results with an AR pistol, SBR or rifle.

[@andypeterson8013]

My guess is no. Everything is subject to wind and with such light weight it would lose velocity really fast negating energy. Remember, self defense shootings take place in a few yards.

[@snugglezbrah5558]

Similar velocity and weight to a .223 55 grain out of a 12 or less inch barrel. That’s neat

[@strokedmule3838]

Would be interesting to see in a ballistic block. I would worry about getting enough penetration with that 50gr especially through clothes.

[@samhicks7568]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@danb2529]

It's known to go through soft body armor (it's listed as a 'special threat' on DOJ body armor testing), so it's not going to have a problem with normal clothing.

[@christopherjefferson3561]

Been carrying liberty for several years and man they light. Good to know they are just as fast as advertised

[@fraliexb]

And, what you see with the deepest penetration is the base of the bullet. The walls of the hollow are what is fragmented

[@VIKING-SON]

Very impressive on the 50 grain 9mm ammo but it's plus P, which neither of my 9 mm could handle. Great video and thanks for showing the results with the carbine length barrel. It's definitely zipping along pretty good for a 9mm even out of a pistol length barrel.

[@arcdetailing2603]

What makes you say that they can't handle +P? I think some +P+ would cause a little concern but most modern handguns chambered in 9mm should be able to handle +P

[@pewpewTN]

Dang man, what kind of 9mms do you have?

[@patrickrodriguez320]

Non +p rating Just means don't shoot it constantly like 200rds at a time. Anything made in the last 10 years should be fine

[@VIKING-SON]

@@patrickrodriguez320 Hey Patrick my Beretta FS92 manufactured somewhere around 1998 specifically states not for use with plus P ammunition. Did 25 years in the Army and worked in different areas, and had various experience with a number of firearms. I was infantry eventually became drill instructor. Along with being a track and wheel mechanic, working in direct support mobile maintenance team leader. In those Direct Support companies and battalion we had heavy and small arms repair section. Through my interest for weapon's and anything mechanical and gained a lot of knowledge eventually becoming a Warrant Officer. Anyway your right newer pistols depending on what brand may be able to handle plus P. But both my 9mm in my possession one being a Sig are not rated for Plus P in accordance with manufactures recommendations. Sincerely and with all do respect CWO ARNI SHOOK

[@hansoak3664]

The 50 grain hollow points surprised me on the watermelon. I did not expect that result. Great video.

[@sigsnrigs240]

Awesome video man I just started carrying this LIBERTY CIVIL DEFENSE about 2 month ago awesome stuff

[@rocknraptor3195]

Of course it matters! Weight matters too, but speed more! I used to be a weight guy. But actually the right combination of the two will give the most power. 1-462 ft\lb, Liberty 50gr 2-412 ft\lb, Norma 108gr 3-334 ft\lb, Remington 115gr Thats with the advertised speeds! So yea thats a big difference! Thats how a 9mm can have more energy\power than a .45acp.🤷 A lot of factors play in to penetration though, like surface area, bullet type, & bullet density, plus speed & weight obviously. The watermelons showed us a pretty good demonstration. With the expanding bullets the key is really to catch it in your target putting all the energy in the target, not just a bigger hole. But still at the end of the day math & science doesn't lie! Carrying around less weight is good too especially when you carry 19-20 rounds in a EDC.

[@larrywhitesell4139]

Great info love to see what happens to the watermelon with different levels of protective vests on it. I just bought some of the Norma. I'm thinking it might expand better if it went thru some heavy material

[@buzsalmon]

What a test! Gotta get some WTW THANK YOU A BUNCH!

[@pacodawg9879]

If I had a 9mm, Liberty Civil Defense is definitely what I would carry.

[@10glocks40]

Premieres in 15 minutes. This is going to be a long 15 minutes.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

👀👀👀

[@NC-xk1eg]

I hope that when you test a Henry Homesteader (🤞) that you will compare readily available standard 9mm ammo against ammo advertised as handgun/personal defense ammo.

[@blankexpression2u]

that polished smith is sexy AF. Growing up, I cleaned my parents service SW 5906 I believe it was, all satin stainless, just a solid feeling firearm. Loved it at the range too with them. Thanks for using this my brother, brings back good memories.

[@Rico11b]

On your first shot at the melon the shot when through and hit the steel plate. Now, that 50 grainer is amazing. I'd hate to get hit with that, hell I'd hate to see anyone else get hit with it also.

[@GuitarGunner]

Great video. I"m disappointed to see that the Norma MHP isn't even hitting advertised velocity on a 5" barrel. I got that stuff on sale and have been running it in my EDCs (along with traditional 147 gr Federal Hydra-shok), and those are 3.1" barrels. I'll have to do some chrono tests of my own now and see what's really going on with some of this discounted 9MM i've been seeing (Sierra, Norma, etc.). In the meantime I'm going back to carrying my Federal Hydra-shok.

[@cheaphookerfishing2382]

So since i didnt see any one say it liberty is designed to split into 7 segments. This is why it just blew up the water melon and nothing came out. Ive carried these for the past 8 years and have sold thousands of rounds for them. The 223 is also a very wild round from them and also segments. The only down fall i have found in the older rounds is the primer freezes. I havent tested any new rounds to see if they do the same or not

[@jacksonmarshallkramer5087]

Velocity is everything. It's what makes the 5.56 so wicked.

[@jthewino1]

When I carry around possible threats in grocery stores, malls, just people and not autos or buildings I load up with light weight Civil defense 9mm +P. My truck gun ammo is HST 147 grain hp, big heavy round that opens up like a crazy flower. The MHP I use to shoot in water for fun because they open up almost 2" but when you shoot through denim or clothing it clogs the hp and it turns into ball ammo.

[@FergusScotchman]

Interesting. I'm surprised the Norma seems to not have enough velocity to open. Of course, the two other questions on the Guard Dog are whether it would clog and stay unopened , and how far would it penetrate in the FBI denim/gelatin test?

[@mikes1172]

I put this in my 9's and .45s to make it especially lighter to carry. No, it won't penetrate to FBI specs, but it will mangle the life out of the first 6-8" of the intended target and the last time I checked nobody's heart or brain is 16+ inches inside them.

[@reddfigga80]

Exactly

[@ivymike3459]

Yeah…and if they’re naked. What about if they have to go through denim or leather first?

[@donmcduffie631]

@@ivymike3459 just watched a video. The civil defense penetrates body armor.

[@jamesorth1521]

But people wear clothes. . . .

[@BigWood0397]

Love this video. It was so authentic and love the southern accent. This video made me go grab a box. Great job brother for the info. Excellent freedom seeds

[@alvinstone8241]

I have been carrying Liberty civil defense since it first came out and was called Halo, we have tested on pork shoulders and it absolutely Shredded the bone, we have tested through both car doors into Targets on the opposite side of the car and it does that every time no exception... it goes in to gel three to five inches and basically explodes, if you are ever needing to use your firearm in a self-defense situation you absolutely do not want to over penetration...

[@jessphuqette1716]

Those CD rounds hit that watermelon like Gallagher with his 'Sledge O Matic'

[@mikhailsiderman2191]

Great show man!

[@pauloglesbee9517]

The Liberty are a dual purpose round. When they hit soft material like the watermelon they dump their energy. The core still penetrates about 13”. If they hit metal first. The hollow point folds in on itself and basically turns into solid pellet. I’ve shot the .40 cal which is 60gr through both rear doors of a car. They will definitely penetrate barriers

[@swordsman3000]

i tried out that Civil Liberty round..my god was the muzzle blast Loud, and the flash looked like lightening at the indoor range guys came down the range and asked me what 'cannon' i was shooting it's super weird to shoot, because for as loud as it is, you expect the recoil to hit like a 357 mag..but since it's only 50 grains, it 'feels' less than a 380 in the hand

[@ericb.4358]

I'm kinda liking my FORT SCOTT spun formed 115 gr. solid copper POINTED bullet ammo in my RUGER PC chassis carbine's 16" barrel. The box says "TUMBLE UPON IMPACT" and I don't think that is false advertisement. Decent mass, aerodynamic and 2,050 fps. NASTY! A compliment to my much upgraded chassis PCC.

[@TheGrimFoot]

That ultralight hyper ammo is fine, an dandy for point blank distance, but it loses its accuracy, velocity, and energy at any distance beyond 25 yards. It also has a considerably higher point of impact than a typical bullet.I would consider it special purpose ammunition

[@busardr1452]

The Civil Defense rounds are arguably the best for conceal carry and self defense. I use them myself. They are a fragmenting or frangible rounds and they dump all of their energy upon impact almost guaranteeing a stop with less shots. Because they are lighter and frangible they do not over penetrate or go through multiple walls making them safer inside an enclosed area or a home. They do massive damage though so if you decide to let one loose it better be for real life or death reasons. They do go through level 3A body armor so thick clothes are not going to stop it. They come in .380, 9mm, .40, .45, 10mm auto and .223.

[@ralphhernandez3521]

I have been into reloading, repairing guns, and fabricating firearms for my own collection. The liberty ammo proves what I’ve been saying for the last 35 years. Speed matters….👽more so than weight💀

[@946towguy2]

It would be nice if you could set up 2 chronographs at known distances so people can calculate the BC.

[@codym5352]

As someone who's dumb enough to use a full sized duty pistol as a defense gun. I think it's time I get me some of that Civil defense ammo, my gun by itself is like 30 oz. unloaded so with a full mag that shit is JUST on the edge of being too big and heavy as a comfortable conceal and carry pistol. Ammo like that will make it a lot more comfortable to actually deal with

[@dangoleshootnetwork6036]

I just picked up a box of Civil Defense 9mm +P today for my Sig P365X. That stuff is amazing.

[@driverjamescopeland]

Finally, a cartridge that takes advantage of PCC barrel length. That's 5.7x28 speed with nearly 40% more frontal area. That's a sweet little varmint round, if it's anywhere near accurate.

[@gsxraiders]

I've learned that the velocity coming out of a gun with a barrel lug such as a 1911 (for example) is 50-100fps higher than one without a barrel lug such as a Glock, given that they have same barrel length. The reason is that Glocks and most strikerfired guns have breaches that open up sooner than guns with barrel lugs. That's why a lot of manufacturers tend to quote their ammo velocity based on the rounds' most popular gun type. 9mm tend to be tested out of a 4inch Glock 19; 5inch 1911 for 45 ACP; 4.6inch Glock 20 for 10mm; 6inch revolver for 357mag.

[@user-fl4wn9dn2c]

I recommend Liberty for self defense mainly because it is much more likely to stop on the bad person and not harm good person due to over penetration.

[@Bombarded1n]

The ultra lights do not exit my preferred to carry much less danger for over penetration ❤ stay safe

[@JerryDFarrell]

That round could vaporize a persons lungs and send them out their back. Love the video look forward to more.

[@RAJUL-su5rc]

Thanks. This video changed my mine about that ammo.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Thanks for watching

[@Senerian]

when it comes to ammo, speed is a big deal. Fast bullets will give better performance and penetration power. I love a 45 acp, but wanted just a little bit more power behind it. So i got a little stouter spring for my 1911 and I use 45+p now. I have split cinder blocks in two with a high velocity 22 round.

[@rodneydavis8454]

That’s what i carry 50 grain civil defense in all my guns kind of expensive but my life and the life of ours is worth it period great video.

[@shanehard2169]

I think that's the first time I've seen a highpoint being used like a real gun instead of destroyed. Great video BTW thanks for sharing this info

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Thanks for watching

[@officiallycxrsxd5246]

what a twist ending, i had confidence in the mhp’s. hard to believe it didnt even try to expand. glad i switched to civil defense

[@deanhoward4128]

That civil defense 50grain,is definitely dangerous !