357 sig VS .45 acp in Ballistics Gel

[@conanhercules5705]

Just goes to show u how powerful the sig really is love the new camera angles

[@AzAirgunner.]

Thank you😁. Appreciate u checkin it out my friend!!

[@scottythebody0811]

Two great calibers. Awesome test. Thanks for posting.

[@AzAirgunner.]

Thank you sir, I appreciate ya!! Plenty comin😁

[@thepatriotsrage661]

That 200gr +P Speer GD is the best of the GD offerings in .45ACP, no question. DocGKR doesn't agree, but from what I've seen; it works well!

[@nokoolaid]

There are a couple others that do well too. Federal HST +P does well as does Underwood stuff.

[@greenowl1097]

Might want to consider that as impressive as the gel looks, this 45 round would have failed the FBI test. Only 11.25” of penetration.

[@nokoolaid]

@@greenowl1097 Luckily, I don't work for the FBI.

[@aquablaster86]

I concur! These 200gr +p gold dots are what I keep in my Glock 41.

[@crypticreality8484]

Yea but, who cares what the FBI thinks? Those lamesndid away with the 10mm because it 'kicked too much' instead of demanding better standards. Losers​@@greenowl1097

[@nickadkins7765]

Good to know my G33 is in good hands with the GDHP! MAN do those things leave a sexy stretch cavity 😅 However those Underwood Noslers are devastating! You should do a 124gr +p+ 9mm Underwood Nosler compared with something else if you haven't already! Those are what I carry in my G43x, G19, and my P365X Macro! Also* I love that your aim is spot on 99% of the time, and you always shoot into the block where you're aiming mitigating possible inadequate testing!

[@AzAirgunner.]

Absolutely, I can do that. Next time I make a order I'll grab some for a test, should be fun. Thank you very much.. I always try the best I can when doing these tests. If I end up making a bad shot it screws up the whole thing, and its a ton of work to cast these 2 blocks I bring and a long 2 hour drive round trip to the range lol. Can't afford to miss lol. Thanks as always my friend, I very much appreciate u sticking around and checkin em out!! Plenty comin😁

[@rustynail7609]

Size really does matter! Great looking video, excellent viewing with really nice camera shots. Fantastic work Man, thank you. 🤘

[@AzAirgunner.]

Thank you very much, I really appreciate that!! Glad u enjoyed it. Plenty comin😁 Thanks again!!

[@mrselfdestruct454]

Man I swear you are reading my mind. I was just thinking of this comparison for a new CCW. Thanks for the great work on all of your videos!

[@AzAirgunner.]

Thank u so much!! Hope it helped, glad u enjoyed. Thanks again buddy, as always I appreciate u checkin em out!!

[@adammitchell0]

You do some very nice videos. And I’ve watched a lot of ballistics videos. Nice job

[@AzAirgunner.]

Thank you very much I really appreciate that!! Glad u enjoy them!! Plenty on the way😁. Thanks again my friend!!

[@guardianminifarm8005]

Can't go wrong with either. So carry both...lol. the expansion for the 45 gets the win. A bit more penetration might be "better" but this type of expansion can't be overlooked. The extra capacity on most 357 Sig offerings gives it the advantage in that category. Well done. Thank you.

[@AzAirgunner.]

Thank you sir!!

[@vinnypaolini9116]

Don’t forget the 357sig shoots straighter and is a tad less snappy than 45acp, only negative is my wallet hates me.

[@grahamohea2424]

My normal .357 Sig carry load is the Critical Duty. I was excited to finally get ahold of the Gold Dot in .357 Sig as I've been wanting it for a long time. However, in my G33, I found that the Gold Dot has a point of impact shift to the right compared to Critical Duty and my practice ammo. Disappointing, to be sure, but this is why you test out your carry ammo to ensure that it performs correctly

[@angrysheepdog9744]

Did you notice the widemouth GD rounds hang up on the steep G33 feeding ramp. CD feeds flawlessly. Yours?

[@grahamohea2424]

@@angrysheepdog9744 I've had no feeding issues with either in .357 Sig. I have seen issues with Critical Defense getting hung up on its polymer tip in .380, though

[@angrysheepdog9744]

@@grahamohea2424 Interesting even after polishing the ramp my G33 kept having so many misfeeds I ended up converting it into a 9mm. Imho 357S should only be run out of 4" or longer barrels (full size frames metal pref) since much of the powder is wasted on muzzle blast / flip in shorter barrels. Seems a good balance in 9mm using UW 90gr XD +p+ (480ft/lbs) with faster follow-ups and extra capacity. My 2nd choice is a 115gr loaded to 1400fps (UW, Buffalo Bore)

[@turtlesauce]

Good test between small and fast vs. Big and slow. Keep up the awesome videos!

[@AzAirgunner.]

Thank you very much!! Plenty comin😁

[@paulscountry456]

1300 is good for that 125 and around the velocity it was made for, push it to 1500 and the jacket petals smash flat to the sides .

[@AzAirgunner.]

Yeah I've noticed that a lot when I shoot them out of the full size. Thanks as always my friend!!

[@fourthhorseman4531]

Great test of two of my favorite handgun cartridges. Thank you!

[@AzAirgunner.]

Thank you!! I appreciate u checkin it out!!

[@Swampytheroot]

I recognize the familiar voice. Them there whiskers threw me; like when you go to take a chug of Coca-Cola and some dern fool done filled your glass with diet Pepsi. I know it hasn't been that long since I saw a new video from you. Nice presentation. Always love the Gold Dots, and these calibers in particular.

[@AzAirgunner.]

😄😂. Figured I might as well get a few different angles since I got some new cams lol. Thanks as always!!

[@chrislang5659]

Really impressive results!😮

[@TransformersHoarder]

Wonderful results.

[@Mbartel500]

The .357 sig has a TKO of 8.38 The .45 auto has a TKO of 12.7 The Taylor Knock Out formula takes into account velocity, bullet weight, and unfired bullet diameter. Bullet diameter is a metric that should not be ignored when calculating projectile effectiveness. The standard muzzle energy formula puts too much emphasis on velocity. In that formula the velocity is squared. The momentum formula puts too much emphasis on bullet weight. The TKO formula gives equal importance to all three measurements…velocity, weight, and diameter. Of course even the TKO formula isn't perfect. It doesn't take into account bullet construction and design. Both of which are extremely important when talking about bullet effectiveness.

[@nickadkins7765]

That's all well and good....HOWEVER, the results don't lie and we have the results right infront of our faces in a video format. So to overlook that because of some TKO factor would just be kind of ignorant to be honest. 357 sig > .45. UNLESS you're in big game country. In that case I'd much rather have an FNX 45 Tactical or FN 545 with a heavyweight hard cast bullet. Ideally though a full size FN 510 or similar 10mm pistol with a heavyweight hard cast would be the best option for a handgun (power and capacity). A hot 44 mag or 41 mag would be better ofcourse, but you don't get the capacity. For that reason is why I'd run with a high capacity and heavy hard cast bullet in a 10mm or .45 semi auto pistol in that scenario. That's just me though!

[@fanman8102]

I used the TKO to determine which calibers I would carry daily and so I chose 357Sig or 40S&W over the 45 because of magazine capacity compared to available pistol size at that time. I ran the numbers twice. First with just bullet caliber then again with the expanded hollow point. The TKO is good stuff, IMO.

[@kennethferguson4283]

LOL One theory likes velocity, one likes weight, one likes diameter. My theory is I have never seen a shootout where the 357 Sig was used and the cop had to reload. I have seen lots of videos where .45s and 9mms were used and two or more magazines had to be used. Not to mention situations where multiple cops had to empty mags to stop a felon with 9mms and .45s. I have not seen nor heard of a 357 Sig ever needing more than 4 or 5 rounds from one deputy to end a fight! Jell tests are nice to show bullet expansion but the street tells the story.

[@nickadkins7765]

@@kennethferguson4283 bingo

[@nickadkins7765]

@joesmith3661 obviously

[@fanman8102]

Excellent; thanks!

[@AzAirgunner.]

Thank you sir!! Appreciate u checkin it out!!

[@gloriamaletta8667]

Either will work don't know the barrel lengh of that 1911 I'm gone to guess 4.25 the Glock 33 has a 3.4 barrel and l think a Glock 32 with a 4 inch barrel would perfom slightly better been closer in size to this 1911

[@mrselfdestruct454]

The 1911 has a 3.5 in barrel 0:45

[@AzAirgunner.]

@@mrselfdestruct454 Thank you.

[@gloriamaletta8667]

@@mrselfdestruct454 getting close to 1000fps out of a 3.5 barrel 45acp 200 grain bullet is pretty good but l do believe the 357 SIG would perform much better out of a 4.5 or larger barrel more so than the 45acp would

[@carlosmad2357]

I’m a big 357 sig fan but it looks like the 45 hit the block a little harder I’m surprised.

[@kennethferguson4283]

Not sure about that, looks like the 357 Sig lifted the block higher.

[@carlosmad2357]

Yea maybe they were very close. I still prefer the 357 sig.

[@kevinrichardson8859]

45acp doesn't hit harder than 357sig...45acp +p is more comparable..but still not quite as much energy as a hot 357sig

[@bullofthewoods9374]

sure but it does very well compared to the weight and the speed. at 50 yards they two calibers are 400 ft pounds. if you look the sig losses energy faster than the 45. get the 185 grain bullet and its even closer to the sig with les recoil. 45 is still great and much cheaper to shoot. bigger bullet more down range energy. as far as the hit harder thing, i dont buy into that, the wound channel is impressive from both but the 45 is better @@kevinrichardson8859

[@carlosmad2357]

The truth is any of those rounds will cause lots of damage especially well placed shots! Still my personal preference is the 357 sig.

[@ryanranard5187]

People who don’t know much about ballistics and see that larger 45 and think “I’ll take that beast”. Well…not so fast. That 357 sig is more powerful and would do more damage to meat.

[@dolemite93]

Finally someone understand ballistic. 45acp no comparison to the sig. 45 slow and has no penetration.

[@jimchambers7548]

I can't believe that 45 opened up in a short barrel. I thought it'd go through like a FMJ, especially with the cloth. Excellent comparison 👍

[@angrysheepdog9744]

AZ maybe you can do a test between G33/357S and equal barrel length in 9mm +p+ using same bullet design/weight and see if the extra muzzle blast is worth it for subcompacts.

[@AzAirgunner.]

Absolutely, I can make that happen😁 Thanks as always!!

[@Grizzlyman420]

Federal HST , Speer GD , Remington bonded golden saber is all I run in 45 Fantastic stuff. .65-.90 caliber from the tests I’ve done through meat bone and clothing. Those 200 grain +p are hard to find but they’re available from time to time online.

[@dariodicarlo8745]

A bit surprised so see the .45 acp perform so well from a short barrel I may get me a box of this stuff cause it only can do better from my 4.25 inch commander

[@mmz77]

Awesome video! 🦅 🇺🇸 How was the recoil on the 200 grain vs 230?

[@AzAirgunner.]

Thank you very much!! It had a lil more than ur standard 230gr, not unmanageable but noticeable for sure. Thanks for checkin it out buddy!!

[@angrysheepdog9744]

Can't argue with a bowling ball moving at 980fps. The SIG below the 500ft/lb one-shot threshold dipping down into 9mm +p+ levels.

[@kennethferguson4283]

And the 357 Sig +P+ level blows the .45 and 9mm away! Refer to the 10/20/23 video Mr. Airgunner posted.

[@angrysheepdog9744]

@@kennethferguson4283 357S does not have +P designations

[@kennethferguson4283]

@@angrysheepdog9744 LOL With 660 ft. lbs. of energy, 100 more than a 357 Magnum, it doesn't need to be labeled +P+, it is +P+.

[@angrysheepdog9744]

Dude what planet are you on? This test produced 485ft/lbs thus my disappointment in this Speer loading. I’m done with this exchange.

[@dolemite93]

Naw 9mm plus p doesn't even come close.

[@clintwestwood1895]

Pretty sure both these rounds would even punch Big Foots ticket.

[@EricCheeseman-d6m]

That is why I have and carry both. I think my 32 is more useful in that I can and do shoot .40, and 9mm out of it with a barrel change. I carry underwood at 1450 in 357 sig. 10mm also suffers from not having full power loads from most manufacturers.

[@EricCheeseman-d6m]

Do you have to have a 9mm magazine, or does the 357 mag work ok.

[@cousinvinnie2180]

Great ballistics for short barrels. Thanks AZ for these very informative videos....

[@crypticreality8484]

I believe that speed is superior to weight and width generally speaking. BUT, a 180 grain .45 going 1200(ish) is a pretty convincing round!

[@curly__3]

Pretty sweet... I think the 45 is still the king of carry rounds... 117 years later...

[@bullofthewoods9374]

i think so as well. i have the m a p with ported 3.3 barrel in 45 and it recoils less than 357 sig

[@markbroad119]

.45 acp -because shooting twice would be absurd.

[@joepatnaude6050]

i agree

[@wizardofahhhs759]

I carry the M&P Shield 2.0 in .45 auto 165gr. HydraShoks, all of my carry guns are in .45 auto.

[@curly__3]

@@wizardofahhhs759 ... That's awesome.

[@walterdabrowski918]

master cheeks is back !

[@antisocialstoner5887]

Great...I still don't know which one to get.45 or 357😂 awesome video

[@AzAirgunner.]

Thank you I appreciate it!! They're both pretty awesome. May need both lol. Personally I'd lean towards 357 sig, but I am also biased and am a huge 357 sig fan lol. Thanks for checkin it out!!

[@itsbeyxnd]

sig performs better at range

[@justusbryant7366]

Can you test 357 sig HST?

[@bobjones-bt9bh]

he has

[@justusbryant7366]

@bobjones-bt9bh oh. Well he tests the same rounds multiple times too I've seen.

[@stephenwhite5444]

I wish you would have used the much hitter .357 sig Corbon that was reading like 1675fps in your older videos. It was over 600 foot pounds, way more than the .45 did in this video. That Corbon what stays in my 229.

[@carlosmad2357]

Which one had more recoil?

[@AzAirgunner.]

.45, but not by much. More of a push then a quick snap that the sig produces.

[@carlosmad2357]

Great videos I just subscribed

[@AzAirgunner.]

@@carlosmad2357 Thank you very much, I appreciate the support!!

[@dougsg21]

😎👍

[@bobjones-bt9bh]

not a fan of shorts in .45- just loses too much velocity. The .40s and 357S seem to do better in short barrels with the right ammo.

[@castanedadennis8750]

Its the same results in all these videos the .45 is almost never as powerful as people think

[@landofparadise2295]

357 Sig won penetrated deeper also has more damage,not like 45acp plus P also 45 wound entrance is an X while the 357 Sig entrance hole like a star

[@bullofthewoods9374]

the 45 opened up way more so how do you figure the 357 had more damage? it penetrated 1 inch more than the 45. i say 45 for the win since it almost weighs double the 35 7 sig

[@landofparadise2295]

The video don't denied that the wound cavity of 357 Sig looked better,there are some video like GUN Sum vlog the camera don't denied the wound cavity like this video wound cavity 357 Sig looked like a star many angle than 45acp,while 45 acp like an X angle,that is your own opinion also your a fans 45acp,don't dectated me because the camera can not lie

[@bullofthewoods9374]

the wound channel on the 45 is wider bro. what did you watch? and please learn how to speak. what difference does the star or x have to do with the entrance? i am a 45 fan for sure and the 357 sig is a great gun. i dont see a need to buy one. the performance is not that great compared to the tried and true 45 imho@@landofparadise2295

[@GregoryAlcorn-o3g]

What do you mean a 200 grain bullet for a 45 ACP is a middleweight man come on dude that's heavy for caliber even for plus p another way would be 165 170 grain 45 + p not a 200