36. Nero and Imperial Persecution of Christians

[@lobotrojan4003]

You teach excellent history lessons, both the Biblical and secular, and the Sunday School lessons and their practical applications are inspirational and challenging. Thank you for placing these lessons on YouTUBE.

[@GoreBruce]

Thanks for the encouragement!

[@incorectulpolitic]

@@GoreBruce Must read books:: 1. Virus Mania: How the Medical Industry Continually Invents Epidemics, Making Billion-Dollar Profits At Our Expense by Torsten Engelbrecht, Claus Köhnlein: www.amazon.com/Virus-Mania-COVID-19-Hepatitis-Billion-Dollar/dp/375194253X/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&qid=1600169229&refinements=p_27%3AClaus+K%C3%B6hnlein&s=books&sr=1-1&text=Claus+K%C3%B6hnlein 2. The Contagion Myth by Thomas S. Cowan, Sally Fallon Morell: www.skyhorsepublishing.com/9781510764620/the-contagion-myth/ 3. BÉCHAMP or PASTEUR? A Lost Chapter in the History of Biology by Ethel Douglas Hume: www.mnwelldir.org/docs/history/biographies/Bechamp-or-Pasteur.pdf

[@andrecummings13]

****** IMPORTANT ******** A-lot of Trinitarians do not know this but after the council of Nicaea any in 325 this Trinity was made mandatory and a lot of Christians were persecuted , tormented and killed for not accepting the trinity doctrine. The trinity doctrine is not of God even the trinity symbol/logo is pagan. I hear so many Trinitarian‘s say how Mohammed was wrong for killing the Christians to except Islam when the Trinitarian‘s founders we’re doing the same thing to make the Christians accept their trinity doctrine !!!!!! Look at the fruits it’s killings , persecutions and tortures . even history tells us how the Trinitarian‘s after the Nicene Creed was created they used every torturing instrument they had available. Satan was a murderer from the beginning. But a lot of you don’t care you will still follow that doctrine of devils even after the history of the evil trinity doctrine is fully well documented. Watch Pastor Gino Jennings a real man of God and repent and obey Acts 2:38 or you will end up in hell with your mother church “the Catholic Church “. I pray to God you check out everything I just told you.

[@Samuraipeacock]

Yea these are well appreciated

[@lesleyhowie1239]

I have only just discovered the length and breadth of your teaching on KZbin...truly remarkable...what a wonderful way to preach God's love for his people, for His creation and I am truly humbled by the depth of your lectures. Thank you so much. I pray that God will continue to support you in your work and all praise to God that we are able to be the recipients of His message of love and forgiveness, justified and sanctified through faith in Lord Jesus.😊

[@GoreBruce]

I deeply appreciate your kind words of encouragement. Thank you!

[@lauradavis6448]

I am so blessed by all your teachings, have listened to many. Your Revelation series is outstanding!

[@spiritualwarfaretv]

Thank you Dr. Gore for your teachings of history and the Word of God!

[@dsnyder5297]

Dr Gore these teachings are priceless. What a privilege and gift to learn all this history in an hour plus presentation. Thank you for the countless hours of devoted study and preparation you have invested to share this wealth of information with us.

[@whynotcreatelove]

Great Talks Bruce. Thankyou.

[@nigelhunter4230]

Thank you Mr Gore. A wonderful historical presentation and Gospel message at the end.

[@patriotx190]

I've grown and have benefited so much from your lectures, Mr. Gore. Great stuff!!!

[@GoreBruce]

Thank you!

[@kunicahall4434]

Thank you so much! I have so much more understanding and clarity!

[@bradleymarlin3898]

Thanks for your sharing Bruce.

[@Fredsta4christ]

*Mr. Gore, bradley.

[@paulinmiami7671]

Excellent presentation as always, and one of the most interesting ever. I have walked the streets of ancient Corinth with the Acro-Corinth hill looming over it. It is quite the feeling to realize that the still-standing columns of the huge temple of Apollo had already stood there for six centuries before Paul beheld them, giving one some impression of the entrenched pagan power which Paul so courageously and daily confronted during his long time spent there. Regarding Seneca, who was Nero's personal tutor in his early teens until his succession to the throne, at which point Seneca continued as imperial advisor for a very few years--it should be noted that Seneca was a younger brother of Gallio, the proconsul before whom Paul was brought in 51-52 A.D. in Corinth (Acts 18), with charges brought by the leader of the Jewish synagogue. Before Paul even had occasion to defend himself, Gallio promptly dismissed the accusations as being frivolous to Roman law. The brothers were victims of the imperial intrigues and paranoidal hysteria with its false accusations of the decade following during the 60s. Beginning with Seneca during that following decade, over the next two or three years they were compelled to end their lives by forced suicide--most fittingly, the same fate that Nero himself met short years later.

[@anapatino4243]

Excellent Presentation, kept me intrigued every second.

[@GoreBruce]

Thanks!

[@a.abhasker649]

Thanks for all your lessons. Beautiful message ! What an insight of understanding about Felix and St Paul an apostle of Gentiles.

[@GoreBruce]

Thank you!

[@UKS12345]

You bring it all to life thank you

[@nyreedix1765]

Excellent teaching easy too understand great job thank you sir

[@jasper_0123]

great series, thank you.

[@patarikisoterion9899]

I’m thoroughly enjoying your historical presentations! I had recently discovered your videos while I was looking into Alexander the Great and Hellenism(for personal study). Thank you!

[@thesisterhoodhub]

Thank you for sharing, very informative!

[@okutoro]

Excellent presentation. I thoroughly enjoyed this.

[@GoreBruce]

Thank you!

[@leisaandrodneyprice1606]

Great teaching

[@Mia-xw1nh]

Wonderful content. So much easier to get the bible into perspective when it is framed in history.

[@oyindamolalawal2799]

Thanks for this lesson especially with the map showing the location of those cities; Corinth, Ephesus, Troas and I saw Achaia. I wonder at Governor Felix and what manner of man he was. I wonder at how he could stoop so low to expect a bribe from Apostle Paul. Come to think of it, with all the status and privileges he enjoyed, how much could such a bribe have made a difference in his life? Lust and greed are indeed the greatest blindfolds of the mind

[@marhender4854]

BEST TEACHER EVER!!

[@GoreBruce]

My friend, you are a person of rare genius. Thank you!

[@TK-qu1ht]

Bruce... You really got the main point of Paul's letter to the Church in Rome right! Christ Jesus is THE answer to "tribal conflict" as we see it today, but across history. Thanx for all your work.

[@GoreBruce]

Many thanks!

[@dudleyvandergriff8174]

I suspect that Nero and his mandatory concerts gave us the adage " a captive audience".

[@normanmcdermid1951]

Rome was taken by Odoacer in 476 AD, and the one who lets (Augustulus), will let until he be taken out of the way (Roman Emperor taken out of the way), so that that wicked one can be revealed....the bishop of Rome. Who was he? Who was the bishop of Rome, who usurped the power of the Emperor, at that time in history and who held the office of Pontifx Maximus and who attained the powerr to persecute and accuse people of hereses in 538 AD?

[@oyindamolalawal2799]

Sir, please kindly send me the link to that teaching on Emperor Caligula. I cannot find it. Thanks and God bless

[@larrymcclain8874]

Let's not forget, Domition actually served two times as Emperor, the first time was as an interim Emperor on behalf of his father Vespasian. Vespasian was declared Emperor in December 69 AD, but did not arrive in Rome to assume his position until the summer of 70 AD.

[@DarkSphinxx]

such a good lecture

[@sweetpea2839]

Paul's message regarding drunkenness and sexual immorality would have to be increased intodays church. Pastors killing their wives, pastors having sexual relations with their flock, with those they are counseling, in pornography. Member's of the church doing the same. Where is our love for Jesus. I am not worried about the disgrace of the Church I am sad for how we disgrace Jesus who has sacrifice for us. How we disrespect His love. How unfaithful we are to our bridegroom. Do we forget we are the bride? I am waiting for us to have our gowns to be pure white and our hearts filled with longing for our Bride Groom. He longs to be with us. He promised and I want to see his promises fulfilled.

[@TheCynicogue]

What evidence do we have for either the 64 AD or 67 AD death date for Paul? I don't know any serious evidence either way.

[@GoreBruce]

Nothing in the Bible. Strong tradition in church history.

[@sudarsansoy1727]

Rrrjkumar

[@Spark_Iskra_z_Polski]

@@GoreBruce Right, and when I tried to juxtapose the Bible with what the wiki says, I found that there seem to be errors in Paul-related dating as well. Anyway, it is quite odd that the NT-related texts are suddenly over about the end times event. I do wonder the Vatican libraries are holding that we might find out interest :) Now, let me thank you for teaching the Word in correlation to what we know about history. When I discovered what the Bible tells about the end times I thought I was the only one believing that all that Lord Jesus had foretold came true. Everyone over here, in Poland 🇵🇱, seemed to be be a dispensationalist/millenialist/futurist. I find it interesting what Eusebius states about the book of Revelation and millenialism. His books shed much shadow on the truthfulness of the disciple of apostle John and what he had claimed about the authorship of Revelation. Eusebius seems to finally agree with the arguments AGAINST apostle John's authorship. I came to the same conclusions based on some differences in the style of writing of the gospel. The same relates to the letters of John most probably the elder, not the apostle. Greetings of peace and thank you again ❤️. More Greek in your lessons please. Trying to pick it up :)

[@banhammer3904]

No, same author. The apostle whom Jesus loved.

[@aquillafleetwood8180]

Eli Borden..."The Death of the Beast" is an interesting book too! It tracks similar to all this but begins counting with Agustus!

[@lavieenrose5954]

Thank you so much for these wonderful online studies. I’m trying to rid myself of the Felix in me; that was a great but uncomfortable analogy:)

[@GoreBruce]

Thank you!

[@1969cmp]

Julius Gaius Caesar was his name including from his tribe. Julius wasn't 'a' Caesar. Later the name was incorporated into the titles.

[@benpeters5851]

After the death of Nero Europe: we will never let an artist rule a country again. 1930s Europe: hey this artist guy seems to know what he's talking about.

[@Jesus.purple]

Hitler the artist😣

[@DJ5780]

Wanna be artists at that

[@Woman_in_the_Wilderness]

@There will be Changes you very well may.

[@incorectulpolitic]

@@Jesus.purple Must read books:: 1. Virus Mania: How the Medical Industry Continually Invents Epidemics, Making Billion-Dollar Profits At Our Expense by Torsten Engelbrecht, Claus Köhnlein: www.amazon.com/Virus-Mania-COVID-19-Hepatitis-Billion-Dollar/dp/375194253X/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&qid=1600169229&refinements=p_27%3AClaus+K%C3%B6hnlein&s=books&sr=1-1&text=Claus+K%C3%B6hnlein 2. The Contagion Myth by Thomas S. Cowan, Sally Fallon Morell: www.skyhorsepublishing.com/9781510764620/the-contagion-myth/ 3. BÉCHAMP or PASTEUR? A Lost Chapter in the History of Biology by Ethel Douglas Hume: www.mnwelldir.org/docs/history/biographies/Bechamp-or-Pasteur.pdf

[@williambrewer]

How can you come away from a sermon like this not concluding Christ came in 70AD?!

[@johnguill6129]

Did Paul ever serve on the Sanhedrin? I think I've heard this is a disputed issue.

[@GoreBruce]

Highly improbable.

[@ryancataldo2499]

What is the evidence that the Roman persecution of Christians was widespread throughout the empire and not just in Rome?

[@brucegore4373]

You can find this point documented convincingly in John A.T. Robinson, Redating the New Testament, and primary sources cited therein:www.amazon.com/Redating-New-Testament-John-Robinson/dp/1579105270/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=robinson+john+a.t.&qid=1579528177&sr=8-4

[@TheCynicogue]

It's kind of astounding that Nero and Caligula are so close to each other in terms of time.

[@Spark_Iskra_z_Polski]

Why?

[@MCMLXXXVICCXII]

All of those accusations about the Nero are in question nowadays.

[@GoreBruce]

Yes, of course, anti-Christian bias is always seeking to rewrite history. The testimony of Tacitus, Seutonius, Eusebuis, and others, is difficult to overcome, however.

[@MCMLXXXVICCXII]

​@@GoreBruce Indeed, it is hard, when the determinate Pro-Christian works of thousand of years distiled us ''some'' sources, deliberatly.

[@mrnoedahl]

Felix did not turn to Christ because he was unwilling to let go of his sin as most people. 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

[@VisionClearly]

I have really gained tremendous insight from the connection points between Roman history : Jewish history : Early Christian : Church History. Thank you!

[@GoreBruce]

+Jaison J. Raju Thank you my friend. I am very grateful for your encouraging feedback!

[@VisionClearly]

:) I utilize your talks as part of my devotional life and...what a blessing!

[@GoreBruce]

As you are a blessing to me!

[@danielmudd7247]

J. J. Raju yy

[@frankjackson9821]

Bruce I so enjoy listening to you. Did you teach much on Polycarp? And the customs he kept which he learned from John? Or is that a theory?

[@GoreBruce]

Thank you! I cover Polycarp briefly early in the series on Church History, which is a KZbin playlist. Thanks again!

[@ReyBanYAHUAH]

Always remember we must repent of our sins (sin is transgression The Law Of Yahuah The Father in Heaven. The Law are The Books: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, & Deuteronomy). We must repent of our sins and Have Belief On Yahusha The Messiah. HE Died and Rose three days later so that we can be forgiven of our sins! Come to HIM

[@P.H.888]

Nobody for 2,000 years is born under The law!!! Stop with the religious binding That people are not even under!! Dead yes to YHVH & Need Spiritual birth To be Born Again From Above!! Life ~ Love!!! Not religious bondage!!! 🙏🏻✝️🕊♥️

[@Spark_Iskra_z_Polski]

The persecution by Nero could have been instigated by the Jews/Agrippa II, Nero's and Kaligula's childhood friend (if I recall well). It was also Agrippa II that helped Claudius get onto his throne after Caligula's death. Acc to Flavius, Jews were very strong in the Roman empire and were even able to arrange for Jews better treatment in most Roman provinces where they resided, especially in relation to taxes and the temple tax.

[@1969cmp]

....were Jewish folk allowed back into Rome after their expulsion by Claudius ?

[@ReyBanYAHUAH]

They were not called christians that is revised history. They were called natsarym/natsarim or Nazarenes. I believe They believed on Yahusha Messiah and strive to obey The Law of Moses. Hope this helps! I hope you can pray on it and find this Truth.

[@Lordimmanuel]

Anything to do with us as a bloodline Europeans will arrogantly ignore.

[@randylplampin1326]

If I am not mistaken I Corinthians is actually the second letter, the first one was lost by this church.

[@GoreBruce]

Some believe that Paul’s first “severe” letter was attached as an appendix to 2nd Corinthians as the last four chapters.

[@jesuscameforrelationshipno4165]

I have a question when was neros reign after Jesus was on earth. How many years could that be

[@GoreBruce]

Nero ruled Rome from 54 a.d. to 68 a.d. Jesus was crucified in about 30 a.d.

[@Supremor-tj9dv]

Nero was born Gnaeus Domitius Ahenobarbas named after his natural father. After Claudius adopted him, one of the names in his new long list of names was Nero. Agrippina the Younger thought she could rule Rome through Nero. It is said she straight up tried to seduce him to get him in her clutches. When she realized Nero was not going to fall for her machinations she threatened to say publicly Nero was a bastard and throw her influence behind Brittanicus. She was eventually executed and Brittanicus was assassinated (poisoned). The people loved Nero and Caligula for that matter because of all the largesse that was lavished on the people. It was the elites that hated both this guys. Nero committed suicide in Rome, not Greece, near what is today Santa Maria del Poppolo.

[@larrywright5891]

Acts 28:30 he lived 2 years in his own hired house; so I presume per your discussion that Paul went to Spain at the end of those 2 years.

[@GoreBruce]

That is a widely held theory that I embrace.

[@cycribbs]

If this is the guy I think it is who teaches preterism, well according to church fathers Domitian was falsely exiling people,, and also john, which after he died nirva freed all those people who were falsely accused by Domitian. Eusebious ecclesiastical history book 3 chapter 17 through 22

[@GoreBruce]

Not sure what 'guy' you are referring to, but for what it's worth, I take the position that much, but not all, of the book of Revelation is describing events that took place in the first century. I am not a so-called 'full preterest.'

[@cycribbs]

@@GoreBruce well the book of Revelation was written to the churches, which did not end in 70 AD. It was a progression of the church age, through the 2000 years of the growth of the church the persecution. The tribulation, John says in Revelation 1:9 I am your companion in tribulation, informing us that we are in tribulation at his time, so therefore the word tribulation in Greek is persecution, and affliction. This is exactly what the church has been going through for 2,000 years. The seven seals the seven trumpets and the seven bowls of wrath have not been poured out, this is a Jesuit doctrine. The Jesuits came up with two doctrines to deceive the church one that says that all the book of Revelation is fulfilled, including Matthew 24 Mark 13 and Luke 21, which are not fulfilled, because if you look it's talks about the abomination of desolation, which is the destruction of Jerusalem and it tells them to flee to the mountains when they see the armies but right after that he says and then there will be great tribulation such as never been nor will ever be. First off if they want to see Jerusalem's war against the Romans as tribulation, well that can't be the worst war that has ever taken place, because if you look at world war I world war II the French revolution all these all these wars that have taken place over the past thousand years, they're way worse than what happened in Jerusalem so that can't be talking about Jerusalem so now then the tribulation which is the persecution of the saints which has been going on since the time of Nero, Domitian, Diocletian, Islam the Vatican the dark ages the Inquisition even till today Christians are being slaughtered for their faith around the world, so how did that happen in 70 AD? It didn't. Read Matthew 21:33 through 44, and also when they disciples came to Christ saying when will these things be when will be the sign of thy coming in the end of the world or age, well 70 AD was not the end of the world nor was it the end of the age, because when Christ did his olivet discourse, we were already in the age of Pisces. The age of Aries had ended in 68 BC meaning that when they asked him the end of the world or the end of the age, they were talking about the end of the world the end of the age will come in 2,000 years, which is where we are now, now look at all the evil that's in the world, all these people mocking Christians, mocking Jesus mocking the Bible

[@cycribbs]

@@GoreBruce we're getting ready to enter the age of Aquarius which is the one pouring the living water onto the fish The Pisces, do you understand the Mazzaroth??

[@cycribbs]

@@GoreBruce now the Jesuits Luis d Alcazar a Spanish Jesuit who concocted the preterist position that all things have been fulfilled in 70 AD versus another Jesuit, Francisco Ribera, who concocted the Zionist futurist doctrine, and both of these are Jesuit doctrines One says everything's happened one says everything's going to happen at the end of the 6,000 years including Daniel 9:24-27 which has nothing to do with the Antichrist or the end times, Jesus is the one who died in the midst of the week, putting it into the sacrifices and oblations, he is the one who was cut off but not for himself, he is the one that confirmed the covenant, with many for one week, Steven ending that week at his stoning, but yet the future is Zionist teach that Daniel 9:24-27 is the Antichrist who will come the final seven years just after the rapture, which is not scriptural, and in the midst of the week he breaks the covenant, and that's a contradiction, the Antichrist breaks the covenant but the Messiah confirms the covenant with many

[@andrewrivers9477]

Rip, saints of God! Come Jesus

[@Okieshowedem]

May Father YAHweh bless your understanding. Praise Father YAHweh.

[@bluesky6985]

Paul was also in Britain.

[@P.H.888]

Many stories remain of Joseph of Arimathea and young JESUS travelling to south west England several times for metal trading tin and silver. Then a group of Apostles with Mary coming to live in England in 37ad England became Christian very quickly Not the Roman history we get told obviously But Many proofs remain nonetheless.

[@bluesky6985]

@@P.H.888 Traditions of Glastonbury

[@Okieshowedem]

Bruce you do know that our Hebrew Messiah had to have a Hebrew NAME. Luke 1:31 Praise Father YAHweh.

[@genesiskeglar6372]

Mr Gore, what are your thoughts on Schaff’s “History of the Christian Church” collection?

[@GoreBruce]

Schaff's eight volume series remains the most comprehensive survey of church history ever produced. He writes with a clear sympathy for traditional Christian belief, but is nevertheless quite honest and even-handed in his treatment both of the high points and the low points of the Christian movement over the centuries.

[@genesiskeglar6372]

Bruce Gore Thanks so much for the response! I see Schaff cited in a lot of books, so it seemed like great source material. But then, as always, I’ve heard some alarmist things concerning Schaff on KZbin (which I took with a grain of salt) so that’s why I was curious about your opinion. These lessons are great by the way. I knew a lot of things I had been told before in regards to eschatology were questionable, but this really seems to get to the root of the issue: lack of historical understanding among Christians. Thanks so much!

[@Slaughterfamilyfarm]

Did Nero commit suicide because he caught wind of the impending assassination?

[@GoreBruce]

Best evidence is that Nero had been apprehended in Athens, where he was hiding, and the Roman executioners told him he could either commit suicide then and there, or they would execute him. He chose the former.

[@P.H.888]

Cowards are very weak, he wouldn’t be able to kill himself he was far too egotistical He would have been whimpering like a beaten dog and put to the sword. (IMHO) 😁

[@scullyfox4271]

Why is Julius considered the first caesar? He was killed for trying to do that. Augustus was actually the first caesar.

[@GoreBruce]

Julius Caesar was viewed as laying the foundation for empire, which is why his family name, 'Caesar' was assumed by every subsequent emperor. For that reason, he was universally regarded as the first 'Caesar' (cf. Seutonius, The Twelve Caesars).

[@scullyfox4271]

@@GoreBruce Thank you very much for clarifying this for me. It's always confused me a bit. 🙂

[@1969cmp]

@@GoreBruce ...okay, I did 'ask' that question myself. Best to clarify that in future lectures, if you don't mind. Julius was 'Dictator' as his official office. Augustus is 'the' emporer in the technical sense.

[@happygolucky5855]

I thought i wanted to k ow more about nero, now i want to know less about him.

[@rayapudibrothers9732]

sir please provide ppts.

[@GoreBruce]

Please contact me directly with your request at [e-mail]

[@anthonybardsley4985]

enjoyable teaching .

[@GoreBruce]

Anthony Bardsley Thank you!

[@jamesdinallo236]

it is a human number 666 or perhaps 616

[@robertalpy9422]

Tiberius and Claudius were Claudians not Caesars. 1. Augustus 2. Tiberius 3. Caligula 4. Claudius 5. Nero

[@GoreBruce]

You can explain that to Seutonius: The Twelve Caesars. Thanks for the feedback.

[@robertalpy9422]

@@GoreBruce Seutonius is dead. Very funny though. There's a reason they call the first line of Princeps The Julio-Claudians. Because Tiberius was adopted and all but Caligula who was decended from augustus, were of the Gens Clodia. Augustus and Caligula the Gens Julia.

[@Quark214]

@@robertalpy9422 Caligula was Gens Julia? I thought he was from the Gens Clodia as well, if i am not mistaken wasn't he the son of Germanicus who was the son of Drusus, who was the brother of Tiberius as such also Augustus's stepson

[@Okieshowedem]

May Father YAHweh bless your understanding and show you His Resurrected Son YAHwehShua.

[@duderama6750]

There are more books in the NT dedicated to Paul than Jesus. It is more like the gospel according ti Paul. Paul was rejected by the apostles for a reason: he was anti christian. He murdered christians. Would you allow a man who killed your leaders to wslk into your church and tell you what to believe? Wake up to the lies. Jesus gave the church to his brither James, who rejected Paul for his blasphemy.

[@GoreBruce]

I hope you come up a good name for your new religion!

[@59vaughn]

Kind of like today's "Christianity "......

[@blueskies382]

He liked to hold concerts ..lol.. even people having babies during his concerts wow.. interesting about corinthians I'm actually reading 1 corinthians right now 😭😂😅🤔 @24:00

[@brucemiller9271]

Foxes Book of Martyrs

[@essenceofgrowing7804]

Good info but right around 30 min you lost me with your western gentile catholic and Protestant replacement theology. I heard the typical antisemitic anger that surfaces when people speak of this seed promise. Chapters 9-11 of Romans is widely overlooked. Of course with regards to salvation there is no difference between Jew or Gentile, man or woman, rich or poor. There is still a difference between a man and a woman. Salvation is for all. But he is not, and did not, reject a corporate view of Gods future plan for Abraham’s physical offspring (even though Paul needed to explain to them that circumcision nor that lineage guaranteed salvation. Those things did not guarantee eternal salvation). Faith always- before and after the cross- guaranteed salvation. Faith like Abraham got you into the Hall of Faith mentioned in Hebrews. Just cause you didn’t make the book of Hebrews it didn’t mean you weren’t saved. So western Christianity needs to get with God’s program here. Reevaluate your replacement theology. God is faithful to his promises regarding sending His promised Messiah and all the other UNILATERAL promises He made. He will bring them to pass. If he wasn’t faithful to His former promises... then we have no assurance that He’ll be faithful to us in terms of the new (or renewed) covenant. So let it be said, This does not mean that all Jews (or all descendants of Abraham) will be zapped and automatically saved to dwell with God for all eternity. But there is going to be a gathering unlike the first exodus. How God sorts it all out? Faith! How God brings it all about? Scripture speaks of this. But we don’t have all the details. One last note is that the book of Romans was written by Paul to actually address your Replacement Theology. The head of the assembly in Rome had been cut off when the Jewish believers were kicked out of Rome. Then this arrogance and conceited theories sprung up and sprouted among the assembly in Rome. So no, It wasn’t Paul trying to convince gentile believers that being born from Abraham had no benefit. It was quite the opposite. It was to speak of God future plans for the divided kingdom (with Gentiles merely being grafted in). It was to shun the gentile believers arrogance so soon found in replacement theology of this Roman Catholic Church that we still see today and so deeply influenced Protestants. The church strayed away even before Augustine. On the individual level- there is no difference with regards to salvation. On the corporate level- there was still some unilateral promises that still had been fulfilled.

[@BertGraef]

Nonsense. Isaiah 65:15 refutes you. And Jesus himself in his many parable warnings about the kingdom would be taken away and given to a nation bringing forth fruit pleasing to God. That religion never brought forth fruit, and that religion is about as valid as Islam or Hinduism. Because the rabbis had no right to lord it over anyone after the temple destruction and Levites disappeared. Judaism which was really Pharisaism that had been exposed by Christ , had become totally defunct by 70AD. It was no longer possible to worship Yahweh according to Moses after 70AD. The rabbis then wrote down thier oral pharisaic tradition in the centuries afterwards and became the gods Of thier own invented religion, which was antichristian Talmudism. They destroyed Daniel and his Messianic prophecies by claiming he was not a prophet. They then invented the legend they call the "Oven of Akhnai" a made up story Where they even managed to remove God from their satanic equation by claiming That since God had entrusted them with Torah, even a voice of heaven was to be disregarded. Since an angry Yahweh would not send these holy bastards any more prophets, they Then claimed to be superior to the prophets, by denigrating them further to be mere messengers And the Talmudic sages were necessary to interpret the divine message to the people. So its no wonder Yahweh keeps chasing them from place to place with his invisible sword. Kiss the Kings SON, Lest the King become angry. Psalm 2:12.

[@P.H.888]

Yehovah Himself made The old covenant of Sinai obsolete 🕳 The Brand New Covenant ✝️ in The Blood of His SON 🩸 It certainly did Replace the old. John 3 v 16 “Replacement theology” is a very dangerous tag line which has unfortunately taken root Did The Religious of JESUS’ day Repent = Change their Mind’s ⁉️ Moving away from Sinai to pick up their cross ✝️ & Follow JESUS? No they remained stuck in the old which cost them their lives @ Passover 70 ad Instead of hearing the inner prompting of THE 🕊HOLY SPIRIT🔥 They kept the letter of the law of Sinai and went into Jerusalem to observe the feast only to be slaughtered by her ex lover Rome who turned on her ! The Spirit Or the letter! ?? Yes indeed JESUS DID REPLACE the old 🕳

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@@P.H.888 Do you know what’s actually new about the new covenant? You (and other gentiles believers that know very little of the Old Testament scriptures) need to understand what’s actually new about the new covenant. Is it new as in brand spanking new? There are 8 covenants spoken of in the inspired scriptures. How do they work? Does every new covenant cause the previous one to become obsolete? Do they build on top of each other. Some covenant are conditional and some are not. Problem is that you’re unlearned and you think that the covenant at Sinai with Moses undid the covenant with Abraham. Even Paul tells you and your false teachers this in the New Testament scriptures that this is not true. Second, The covenant with Moses was never about earning your salvation mechanically with a bunch of laws and deeds. You obey your parent (your father) and things will go well for you. If you disobey then you make your own bed. Salvation was always based on faith. Faith before the cross and faith after. Third, God always loved the world but he pulled a people from among the nations based on no merit of their own, and he would give them the light of His Word (and this Word became flesh). Understand that gentile world could always be grafted in. Ruth is a great example. This is not what is new about the new covenant. Fourth, God told his people that if someone came teaching a new way then they were false teachers and prophets (false shepherds). The false teachers were the Pharisees. Yeshua, Paul and the 1st century believers took issue with the Pharisees. The Pharisees had taken Gods word and used it wrongly. Scriptures about the new covenant doesn’t say anything about anyone abolishing the law. Even Yeshua said that he wasn’t doing that. Fulfilling doesn’t mean he was abolishing it. So understand that the Jewish Orthodox know their Bible and they see you following a person that taught a different way. Why because you misunderstand Paul because you haven’t understood the Tanak. But you have the audacity to get angry and want to persecute the Jew. Real Christian of you, right? Wake up! So do you know what’s new with the new covenant? You probably don’t. You need to look into it. I’m not going to hand it to you on a silver platter. There’s plenty of information on this. Study it out and do this prayerfully.

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Thankyou for your work it has been very helpful to solidify thinking to be more accurate in detail and not conflate so much about what was written and what it meant to them then and to us today. May Abba bless you. Also I wrote this in a response to a commmentor who was calling Christians evil for all the wars etc that have been committed in Christ's name. Have you ever wondered why in your studies why the early cult of Chrisiianity kept to the Jewish expression of faith to a great degree and was not at all like the post 135 bar Kochba revolt split of east and western legs? Thankyou again. @Golem1 He just did but the fact is that many use Christ's name for relgio/political agenda. Early Christians lived as Jews without Judaism practices of Takanot that made God's Law of none effect. Original Christians were persecuted by the Roman Catholic church system that assumed and taught a different Christ. Many even now practicing Christianity follow a false Christ by abandoning the New Covenant described in the Hebrew Scriptures in Jer 31 Ezekeiel 36. All this is traceable in historic early documents of the "church" and ignored just as the early historians record how Christians lived with what appeared to outsiders as "Jews " who lived under Judaism. The nuances are easy to detect if you are familiar with the ancient sages work & teachings compared to what eventuated as regualar Judaism being a mixture of oral teaching and written instructions of Torah interpreted through the Pharisees/Prushim lens. Every time Jesus opposed the scribes (priesthood Sadducees interpretation) and the Pharisee interpretation of following God's instructions it was over changing God's intent and purpose of the Instructions that bring life if followed and the Salvation offered by trusting in God to provide forgiveness of transgression through the action of one's faith in works of righteousness in accepting the atonement provided in either Covenant that was revealed as being the blood of God dying for us in Christ as God's Word made flesh. Be blessed. Shalom