[367] Honda Split Wafer Car Lock Picked and Gutted

[@jrichardson-m9m]

I know I'm several years late. Im a Honda tech. The valet function is actually at the tip of the key. I have no idea why that one slot is left open. In every lock I have rebuild that has been empty.

[@nerp27]

Could be so it's easier to rekey, just thinking from a locksmith standpoint. Who wants to submit a question to the podcast ReplyAll

[@ShelBelSapphire]

Hi Honda tech, I'm a former Honda tech. Never personally rebuilt any locks though.

[@quickdiy8127]

These locks are so trash, locked me out of my car in several occasions and I've had to replace Honda's shitty actuators so many times. Honda used to be a reliable car

[@eg1kid1]

@@quickdiy8127 Also a honda tech like these two guys, but just FYI, the door lock actuator is actually separate from the door lock in this video and has nothing to do with the actual key part of the automatic door lock.

[@quickdiy8127]

@@eg1kid1 I know but Honda used plastic clips that get brittle in a few years. And don't sell the plastic pieces seperate. Their engineering and quality is really shit. Also the locks wear out too so you're locked out on several occasions

[@michaelsims1322]

LPL: This is the first car lock I've featured on my channel... Every car manufacturer: Oh hell... Master Lock: Thank God it's not one of ours!

[@JessHull]

A very nice comparison. Wafer locks are something I usually kind of scoff at but these split style ones look like they could be a challenge.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Thanks, I thought it was neat. Wafer locks can be pretty good. The Duo and Alpha 800 come to mind!

[@Sailing_Bungaree]

I’m impressed...again. I’m going to put it out there that maybe a great challenge would be to have the customer looking over your shoulder and asking every 30 seconds, what’s taking you so long.

[@zacharylagler242]

You'll find me in the garage picking my own Car.

[@caro4697]

that's me and my step- mom for the last 6 hours thanks for this comment made my day

[@ChrisParayno]

😆😆

[@jaymemaurice]

That was me this morning after locking my keys in last night. It was far easier than I had hoped.

[@TheSaintBigFoot]

Actually I'm from 4 years in the future when you do an impreza picking video, you explain the traps of the need to double pick. However in that video you only explain that you need to pick it shut. I'm just here to see what the lock looks like inside :) very neat

[@lunstee]

While I don't know the reasoning behind the one empty chamber, I don't think it has anything to do with valet keying. The glove box lock which distinguishes valet from master key, is very shallow and only engages three of the five pairs of cuts - the cut corresponding to the empty chamber doesn't even enter the keyway. One of the two sides of the non-split wafer (at the key tip) determines whether a key is master or slave(valet). A slave key has a shallower cut and lifts a non-valet wafer to bind the lock. A master key has a deeper cut, and doesn't touch a slave wafer there, instead riding on the opposing cut. Yes, this means you can make a master key out of a valet key if you had an appropriate mill handy. Depending on the opposing cut, it may even be possible to do the cut with a regular file and just cut through the ridge between the two sides.

[@georgeparkins777]

Does the valet key open the trunk? If so, what's the point? I don't think I've ever kept anything but my proof of insurance in the glovebox.

[@lunstee]

@@georgeparkins777 Valet key does not open trunk. There is usually also a lock cylinder on the interior trunk release too, and it does not open that either.

[@hellcat1988]

A lock he can't open in 20 seconds or less? MY GODS! Have we finally found a core that might actually be worth using to protect your valuables?!? At least something that will slow down a crook?

[@JC-11111]

No. Not at all.

[@CaedmonOS]

I'm a little late but any crook would just hotwire

[@00bean00]

@@CaedmonOS Yes hotwire 8th gen Civics, uh huh.

[@MrKeserian]

@@CaedmonOS not going to work, most of those years use ignition interrupt chips in the keys. What happens is that the car will turn over, catch for a second, and then immediately die as the interrupt circuit instructs the ECU to cut all fuel flow to the engine. I'm a Honda salesman,and we've actually have a rash of trades with failed interrupt chips in their keys. It isn't the biggest issue in the world (we're a Honda dealer, so it's pretty easy for us to get the code from Honda and program a new key), but it's annoying when you're trying to delivery a used car to a customer and the car refuses to stay started. As a side note, the new keyless fobs are about as bad. Same interrupt system, but it's based on a challenge / response transmission from the fob. Easiest way to steal a modern Honda? Steal the key, then the car.

[@johnsimun6533]

Caedmon Berkes-Adams hotwire a house, shed, trailer hitch?

[@alweinhofer5453]

The Dudley reminds me of a similar key called Duo. They were fairly popular in the 1980's.

[@rtpfixit]

I once watched a professional locksmith take 45 minutes to do this on a lockout, and it is astounding how fast LPL performs the same task!

[@Shroommduke]

I feel smarter every time I see one of your videos! Hang out with smart people and you get smarter!

[@rougnedodor2505]

This man is a badass!! Can you do more American lock? I’ve had so much trouble opening them. I can’t seem to open any of them.

[@AlbertLebel]

Great job. I noticed those grooves you pointed out that act like a spool remind me of the Sparrows gridlock set. They have serrations on them that make picking tough. So far I can do the six, but not the ten. To me, wafer locks are VERY different than pin tumbler.

[@joegallo8774]

I really liked the video and learn so much 👍

[@jamesfair4023]

My Honda Civic has that style key and it comes with a valet key it opens the door and starts the car but won’t open the trunk or glovebox or gas tank door.

[@anonimas123456789]

But aren't there buttons inside the car to open the boot and gas cap?

[@timyanke9559]

@@anonimas123456789 there is a lock beside the levers to open fuel cap and trunk. I was told the valet key will not unlock it

[@badeconsulting]

So I have that lock in my 02 honda cr-v and the pins decided to wear themselves out (which apparently is a common problem). So I couldn't start the car without wiggling the key aggressively. So I had to pull the ignition out (drill a little bit) remove all the pins but one to save me purchasing an entire new ignition. This seemed to resolve the issue :). I think there's a chip in the key, So at least it has some security against being started with the screwdriver. Interesting to know it is possible to pick though. :)

[@tel200]

The missing wafer in first chamber has nothing to with Master or Valet keys. The code of this key is L926 and is a Master cut The Bitting is: 333551 415531 The last two cuts on both axis are XXXX51 XXXX31 This applies to all Master keys. On a Valet key last two cuts on both axis are XXXX21 XXXX31 This applies to all Valet keys. There is never a sixth chamber in the door lock.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Thanks for the helpful information. 👍

[@westcoastbeergeek7154]

I have a Honda with this type of lock, it get's stuck in the cold wet winter so I'm hoping to fix it. May have to remove a sticky wafer so I am happy to see the inside of this so I know what to expect.

[@JennyEverywhere]

Fascinating bit of history!w

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Agreed, thanks.

[@retep8891]

The KZbin algorithm is weird. Neat seeing this video years later

[@ADR69]

I think Honda called it the sidewinder key when I worked for them. They thought it was the greatest thing in security ha.

[@Jackcc5]

end of 2020 Honda makes a harf size lock

[@hanro50]

I wonder if that open pin is actuated in the ignition. My Honda has a feature where it will hold onto the key if certain conditions go unmet like say the car being in drive and not park.

[@ferretyluv]

Picking it won’t matter. The car won’t start because Hondas have auto ignition locks.

[@kennethsimpson8020]

Didn't realize...

[@michaelweinstein7656]

If you used a plug spinner after getting the first open, would it go past the second locking point fast enough that you would only have to pick once to get the full movement?

[@lockpickinglawyer]

It might, but I doubt it. Remember that you are fighting a spring when you pick this on a car. That makes all the difference.

[@OrganicGreens]

I've always wondered why car locks are so good but front door locks are so bad.

[@remchaill9898]

Because people want to break into cars so they can steal them without causing damage. Nobody cares how much damage they do to a house breaking in, so picking a door lock isn't an efficient option when there's windows to break, back doors to lever open, etc. House locks are better at resisting brute force, car locks are more resistant to picking.

[@FusionDeveloper]

So do you pick 2 sets of wafers or 4 sets? I am guessing it's just 2 sets (The left and the right)? It would be nice to know because, until this video, I never knew how these locks worked at all.

[@FusionDeveloper]

If you pick all the wafers 1 time, you MUST either pick them 2 or 3 more times. 2 times to reset it or 3 times to unlock it and then reset it. If you only pick them all 1 time, you will cease up the core and the only way to ever use a key again, is to pick it 2 or 3 more times in order for the key to work. Be very careful picking these on actual cars, you don't want to think you're doing the owner a favor and end up screwing their lock.

[@ianitor]

are the two wafers per quadrant standard? Or do you have to discover which two you need to pick as you pick?

[@xredskaterstar]

Do you need to go in a specific order?

[@Gunnl]

Hi LockPickingLawyer... perhaps you can help me, I am looking for spares to repair an old 89 Nissan 200sx lock .. would you know where to find those !? I believe the lock type is a DA25 !?

[@armysnoopy1562]

Can you use a Dino electric lock pick gun to unlock car doors ? Thank you

[@Kiran______]

How do you get these car locks?

[@Nathan-gh8tx]

In my opinion, not exactly a fair pick because that lock would normally be installed on a car and you would not have been able to tension it that way.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Perhaps, but picking something like this in your hand is not easy either. Personally, I'd rather it mounted.

[@sartajkhan4172]

Csheim

[@ronreuwer5265]

could you do more vehicle locks per chance. this was great

[@benhillario3828]

hell yeah i need a new cars too.

[@ratataran]

@@benhillario3828 your gonna get 0 "new" cars just by picking locks

[@ratataran]

@deee327ify sure but bypassing the ignition interlock devices is difficult

[@SofaKingStupid]

@@ratataran woooosh

[@-R.E.D.A.C.T.E.D-]

@@SofaKingStupid not really...

[@petruzzovichi]

It's hard to believe picking locks could be so fascinating, but you make it so. I've watched and watched your videos and never cease being amazed at your knowledge, skill and You Tube presenting professionalism. We see only your hands and hear only your voice and yet you have millions of subscribers and folks like me who are just plain amazed at your channel. Well done.

[@andrewb3122]

Every time he puts the key in I can hear the beeping sound our old Honda made

[@krek420]

You numbering the videos really pays off

[@LockNoob]

Great video :-) I would love to see some more auto locks on your channel

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Thanks, I have plans to include some. :-)

[@anthonymalatesta5412]

Would you accept a challange Honda ignition lock?

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Sure -- PM me.

[@SilviuDobrica]

@@lockpickinglawyer Did this ever happen? I'd love to see the video, if so.

[@turn-a-keylocksmith4411]

Dude, awesome job! I have never actually picked these before, and didn't know they were even possible to pick! You are correct about the trunk, glove box, doors, ignition, ect. Ignition will obviously require the most tumblers for security. Unfortunately the Honda split tumblers tend to bend where they ride on the key, and then the keys quit working. Older Pilots are notorious for it. I swear I did like 3 a month back in the day... awesome pad lock as well. Thanks for showing!

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Thanks. Interesting about the durability of the locks. Never would have thought that. Thanks for the information. :-)

[@pritsky4219]

I know I'm three years late, but I'm still driving a 2003 Honda Pilot to this day. Well, to a few months ago. Never had any problems with the locks other than the glove box lock and it being possible to bypass. I don't know the specifics about it, and I can't replicate it anymore because the left glove box's hinge broke off and the bolt retaining it also came off and fell onto a gravel road without me noticing. Do you know in what situations they tend to bend so I can avoid bending it?

[@TeemuMalkki1]

I had to remove few wafers to make my key work again. They were worn and bent. And the key had some damage also

[@charlesmckinney]

I'm surprised you didn't have to slap that thing with some sort of injunction or something to make it open. 😄

[@lockpickinglawyer]

LOL... worth a shot.

[@Mountain-Man-3000]

7 minutes?? Is this what your vids used be like before the industry ran out of tricks?? What a treat!

[@markleng67]

Very glad to see that the Dudley design is still in use and making a formidable challenge. Good vid, thanks!

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Thanks.

[@JG-pw5cr]

I have a honda with these sorts of keys. Please don't break into my car =,(

[@dw4940]

Install a dizzy switch

[@WolfJustWolf]

The missing wafer is not for valet keying. Valet keying is done on the 5th wafer on the left side. It's a 5 cut for the master and 2 for valet.

[@huxleypig69]

Good work. I have a few Volvo ignition barrels that are 4 track wafers, like the Honda here. They're fun to pick.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Thanks -- I'm going to start trying my hand at several types of car locks. A few on the way already. That's on the list.

[@Twobarpsi]

Yes my 98 Volvo has a key identical to this Honda one!

[@inthso362]

I just bought a 2006 Odyssey, and there are 2 ignition an a door key, but none for the floor stash. Given I don't have lock picks, and would have to get a key made to use the lock regularly, I'm thinking of just breaking the lock- drilling it out?- so I have access, at least. If I wanted it secure, I could always put a hasp and lock, to slow anyone down, at least. Ideas?

[@aaryjan]

EIGHTY years !! ... so, its smaller, antique brother with wafers was already made halfway the nineteen thirties or thereabouts ? !!!

[@lockpickinglawyer]

+Ary vanHarrick That's right. The Dudley split wafer was first made in the 30s.

[@emmylu1996]

Seeing my keys staring back at me in your thumbnail made me nervous, but you taking over 2 minutes to pick a lock means it's super difficult for normal people!

[@GSAUS]

The most impressive part of this video is how adaptable you are with the tensioning. Great work!

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Thanks. It's always fun being creative. :-)

[@themadhatter4761]

Something different 👍 very interesting , thanks for the video.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Thanks.

[@evelbill1439]

I had a Honda Element for several years with that key type. I never had a problem with anything except the starter. To change it out the engines exhaust system had to be entirely disassembled to remove the bad one and install the replacement! There’s a roomful of “smart” engineers I’d like to share my opinion about their parentage with!!

[@AchillesWrath1]

How did you learn so much about locks? Do you think car locks are a lot easier to pick than house locks ?

[@ratataran]

Definitely not. It took him a good time longer in this lock than any house lock.

[@Solrac924]

today i got my first Covert pick set. in the first hour, i've developed a decent skill in picking 3 of my locks. a week, i hadn't conceived of me being interested in it. it began with a random vid from McNally being in my recommendations. it's an unexpected but yet fun hobby so far. who knew?

[@NightWolfBiker]

You may have become my hero... I just lost my only keys to a 1989 Mercedes 300se which appears to be a split wafer. If I can pick it I can replace it cheap, if I can't it's a carbide drill and a bunch of expensive parts...

[@Scooozy]

I'm not quite sure why I thought this but I believe you'd make a nice dentist....ToothPickingLawyer

[@ryanb9156]

have you ever used a pick/decoder? or the turbo decoder you should do a video on one :)

[@lockpickinglawyer]

I have not used one before.

[@adriancorvais5506]

This guy is a lockpicking artist he doesn't use fancy gadgets

[@edgardomc1217]

@@adriancorvais5506 there is a Honda turbo decoder??

[@mbrsart]

I was thinking about my Honda key and wondering about the lock just yesterday. KZbin recommendations reading my mind again.

[@shadowprince4482]

My Honda has this. It's a damn pain because trying to figure out which wafer pin, or whatever you'd call it, is a pain to keep track of. Or at least that's the way mine is. Instead of solid round wafers it's wafers with pins sticking in from the side and they are really tiny.

[@Dankman9]

I didn't realize there were so many people that don't know how a valet key works.

[@haydenramm1751]

Not as bad as 1980’s Holden’s, they only made 3 biddings for thousands of cars

[@colemair5367]

Carlock seemed a lot more complicated than the usual doorlock or padlock

[@GameSyns]

I'd love to see you tackle the Lexus lock one of these days!

[@dougsensei]

Please do a video explaining all the different types of locks.

[@Last_Chance.]

You need to file your nails. They're looking kinda jagged. Lol. We love you lpl.

[@EminemLovesGrapes]

Older honda keys look even more like the dudley keys. Mine was so worn it sometimes wouldn't engage the lock anymore

[@alexandrevaliquette1941]

Why messing with picking. I have seen a video on YT the guy do it in half a sec with a tennis ball!

[@MultiSoulcollector]

Sir, thank you for sharing you knowledge , You are awesome !!!!

[@danielhebard1865]

Who else is here because they’re tired of locking their keys in the car and needing to call a locksmith?

[@gabakusa]

try to start those cars with fobs

[@matthews.5369]

Ps. Locksmith lawyer your talent with locks is remarkable. Thanks for all the tips and tricks for navigating unknown terrain.

[@DarkWoodPicks]

That's so cool! Awesome picking! :)

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Thanks.

[@smuckerst8355]

LockPickingLawyer are you still doing the aluminum padlock series

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Yes... just put to the side for a little bit. I think I still have 8 more. I'll get back to it soon. :-)

[@mysock351C]

I remember they made a big stink about this when they first implemented it in '03. Didn't know it was based on an earlier design. Have a CRV with this exact style lock. I can vouch that it would probably be an SOB to work on since its recessed aways in there to make room for the ring light and RFID transmitting coil that sit in front of it on the steering column. Picking the doors would not be as hard if you wanted a stray wallet or less nefariously, locked yourself out.

[@vicroc4]

Yeah, the ignition lock seems like it'd be a real bastard - especially since you'd have to be at a very awkward angle to even access it, at least in my CR-V.

[@armandblake]

I hate cutting this keys, if the thickness is not perfect they don’t work

[@TehRamenBrotherz]

its worth noting the ignition is a 6x6

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Good to know. Thanks.

[@Leonslockpad]

very cool video m8 thanx for sharing🔐😊😊👍

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Thanks

[@experimentalarmy4495]

is there any lock you cant open?????????????

[@nathanmartin137]

You should make a skill share course!

[@Damoinion]

Several years too late, however, the empty chamber may be market related. I'm in NZ and I have been working on both local market and used import Hondas (and most other makes and models) for nearly 30 years. As far as I recall, I have only ever seen one Honda door barrel with an empty chamber. The only ignition barrels I have seen with missing wafers have been ones that other mechanics (or myself), have deliberately left out at the request of the client to achieve a cheap fix to a worn lock.

[@RootedHat]

More car stuff please:)

[@thomasfplm]

Recently, someone tried to unlawfully pick my car, it doesn't seem that he/she managed to get in (I didn't notice anything missing), but the lock was broken and was rotating lose. To make it worse, my car only have one lock, because it detects the key and opens automatically if I have it, once the battery died I tried to open it with the key and it wouldn't work, it was a pain.

[@tonyholt90]

yeah that antique lock was lovely and same idea still in use. so soon your be into lever locks ;)

[@markleng67]

I WOULD like to see that! That would be interesting.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Levers... one of these days I'll start.

[@ZehraanBarmare]

I replaced my wafers last year as they got damaged ....it was working properly after replacement... Now after one year....my car opens up with every other key.(honda toyota anything) what should i do??? I dont need separate keys to unlock and separate keys to start my car

[@TreeHugg]

Yo this is my cars key! Don’t pick it :)!

[@tomking3942]

That empty slot is probably so you can’t build a complete key from the door lock. There is a code that is stamped on the lock but is barely visible sometimes. This lock design is probably the worst in that the keys were out at the top so the tumblers don’t ride up onto the key. When that happens the edge of the tumbler bends over or wears off completely leaving people stranded when the lock fails. Poor design.

[@bobbykeyz1263]

Really interesting using the same design 80 years later.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Definitely!

[@citylockapolytechnikeyllcc7936]

That is like saying titee witees are the same thing as an apple, just because both are Fruit of The Loom. There may be some conceptual similarity, but the design/engineering, wafer design and materials are nowhere similar. The Honda lock will never stand up to the rigors the Dudley likely has

[@buckhubach2720]

I have always wondered, why do vehicles use wafer instead of normal tumbler locks? Being able to flip the key is nice. But you could do that in many formats. seems like if you buy a 60 thousand dollar vehicle it would have a better lock technology.

[@appalachiangunman9589]

My 2018 Civic has this same type of key. The only difference being that mine has a remote built in.

[@JC-11111]

I've rekeyed many, many GM wafer locks in Pontiacs, Buick, and Chevy cars. There was a specific time that certain models had issues with their ignition lock cylinders. So you'd replace the lock and rekey it to the owner's original key.

[@feroxgargol]

Great videos :) good job is a amazing world you opened to me after see this video (and other randoms bikes locks :3) i wonder, would you have a secure rating ?

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Thanks. You are not alone... it's like a veil is lifted once you understand the level of security offered by most locks.

[@l3uttlord360]

Hi mate, I bought myself a honda lock ages ago and the lock has sat in a box since ive had it as I looked inside the keyway and saw the laterally engaging wafers and was too intimidated to give it a good crack. Any tips? Are you using a standard hook and twisting it in the keyway similar to how you would use a flag for dimple locks? How do you know which direction to pick each row?

[@briantracy6953]

They call this a sidewinder key.

[@DgCn123]

Can you find a porsche lock pls

[@bionda470]

My sailing team once had a fiat ducato whose trunk would open with any ducato key... I wonder how it worked!

[@chrisbbacon52]

I have this lock on my car and I don't want to keep waiting for someone to open my car often using the pumpup pad to crack my door open, what size pick is that and could you please tag the pick set

[@TheN1Chris]

My 1992 Mercedes actually has a similar key and no locksmith wants to mess with it.

[@ShZubairAhmed]

Pls do a review of b18 quick opener for honda

[@matthews.5369]

I'm an automotive locksmith and the best pick I've found to use for honda spilt wafer locks is a lishi pick ,and same goes for most modern automotive locks that don't use sidebars.

[@dw4940]

Which make of vehicle is hardest to pick and slim Jim?

[@d0ubl3dmin]

@@dw4940 some of the Toyota ones can be tricky, apart from that the rest are ok as long as they're not too worn or broken