38 WAY CERAMIC COATINGS Longevity Test - SUBSCRIBER REQUESTED FINAL UPDATE (for real this time)

Viewer requested - Trying a few more things to see if we can bring anything back - I think we got some success this way!
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First "rinse":
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First WASH:
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#LongevityTest
#CeramicCoatings

[@johnroberthanna1623]

C Quartz Lite for the WIN.!!

[@ssweetener]

I’m at 18 months with CQuartz Lite. It’s still extremely hydrophobic. My vehicle is garage kept which definitely helps. Even on the cars I’ve applied it to that sit outside I’m seeing a solid year. It’s an amazing value for the money.

[@ScottHD]

That's fantastic. Yes it's one of those products that on a cost per mL/oz it is very inexpensive. (Edit>> cost vs longevity too)

[@Steathl]

How many layers have you applied?

[@ssweetener]

@@Steathl 2 layers

[@nicorallysport]

For me CQuartz lite is the most impressive because it is a product given for 6months+. A real value for the price and the claim of duration!. Carpro lift & descale Are great shampoos! I like it for ceramic maintenance.

[@Saddedude]

I put lite on my work truck, its Bananas

[@andrewvickers4487]

CQuartz Lite!!!

[@scottbarnwell512]

Impressed with Descale's results

[@julipisoni]

fantastic work Scott 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@SheekTresSesenta]

Nano is a monster! Thnx again for the hard work, Scott!

[@ScottHD]

You are welcome!

[@jeffreycaban5107]

Interesting results. Thanks for doing this.

[@roscopervis]

Thanks for doing this Scott. I’m particularly happy as it verifies my ‘theory’ or rather practical experience with true coatings and using the mild acid washes to revive them. It doesn’t work so well with spray products as they don’t have the true ceramic base that is still on the paint but is clogged rather than just eroded away, which is likely what has happened to the KB product. It’s interesting that all the products with a higher solids content reacted well and the products with little or no solids content didn’t, apart from Fusso. The Ptfe base in that is meant to behave like a coating and it is very impressive. Just need more people to implement this in coating maintenance now so that they prematurely call coatings dead when they can be revived with simple washes. This way, these coatings will actually have more of a chance of reaching their durability claims as they will all get clogged by year 3.

[@ScottHD]

Agreed (and you're welcome). It definitely seems to kill the sprays and help the actual coatings from what this has shown.

[@arapaimagold8088]

However you need the right ph. A little bit too low and it will eat the coating instead of contaminants.

[@roscopervis]

@@arapaimagold8088 yes and that's why these shampoos have been developed. I've been using Labocosmetica Purifica, which is the O.G of this type of shampoo since 2019 and it has been fantastic for me and several others I know. As with most things in detailing, it helps to employ some intuition and common sense and in this case it means using the right dilutions and only use when needed, not every wash.

[@marambula]

+1 to the “clogging” hypothesis. The top performers of this test appeared to be come back the most from this method of decontamination washing. So there’s truth to the degradation hypothesis as well and also some degree of protection still being there after hydrophobics decrease... depending on the product. Hope to see the same type of testing with the multi layer panel. Clogging should effect multiple layers the same as 1 layer but perhaps more layers prevent degradation and especially from acidic decon chemicals. Great testing and respect for continually growing through feedback and user requests: the best keeps getting better!

[@ScottHD]

Absolutely. I'll keep this type of follow-up for future tests when they get to the end. (I usually end them around 2 years unless most have failed before then)

[@kapinnn]

Fantastic work. Thank you for all the effort on these tests!

[@mikeperry2814]

Wow! Great info! Thanks for all this hard work and expense! I owe you many thanks for all your hard work buying, prepping, installing, testing - not to mention producing the videos and comparison charts!! YOU have made my 15 year old mobile detailing business go to the next level of quality. 2nd donation on the way!

[@oldatarigamer]

Fascinating!

[@Breese147]

Thank you so much Scott! Cool to see it actually working. I unfortunately used it on my 6 month old Griots 3/1 and it seemed to kill it haha. But very interested in this for coating revivals! Can

[@j.k.7807]

Thanks Scott. These were really interesting results 👍

[@Tomimi570]

Thank you Scott - !

[@juanfegallo]

Thanks!

[@HeavyProfessor]

I use reset only for a long time on uk 3.0, but a few months ago I got descale. It really works. Reduced the water spots and increased hydrophobic considerably.

[@ScottHD]

Good to hear!

[@SnakeDoctor5104]

Really surprised by Soft99 Fusso coat. I use this product, as well as King of Gloss.

[@ScottHD]

Of note: there is a newer version of it that apparently isn't as long lasting. I have some of each for the next test this fall.

[@FordF4NN]

It did seem like Turtle Wax Flex Wax seemed to come back a little bit to life! I've only had it applied to my car for 6 months now (outside always) I'm still shocked how clean it stays and how easy it is to wash and it is still very hydrophobic and doing it's job on my car! I'm glad to know it's got some life in it still after these past harsh months with heat and rain cylces it goes through. I'm impressed with the New turtle wax Flex Wax for only $25, my cars had the longest lasted protection for the price and best of all I still have lots left to do other cars or re apply. Great video

[@BelLavoroAutoSpa]

Been using Carpro for some time now. Personal car has UK + SiC on it doing great but also garage kept and meticulously maintained. Did a friend's car and his son's car with Lite. Friend's car almost at 2 years and still beading great. His son's car at a year and some change and very neglected, but coating still behaving very similar to your test here. Hit it with descale and it made an improvement. This is a great video Scott, thank you.

[@hallmarksdetailingllc8078]

Thank you for finally doing this. I've been saying for years that acid washing your coating is going to keep it cleaner, longer. But I know spraying hydrofloric acid on your vehicle is scary and isn't for everyone but by god it works!

[@paynespaulding3621]

It's crazy that products like Groit's 3-in-1, turtle wax ice n seal/graphene flex, soft fossu and cquartz lite perform so we'll considering their price ratio. It's insane

[@ak2112]

Agree and that’s exactly why I use them. They’re cheap and incredibly easy to use with legit longevity. Once I had turtle wax ceramic spray hold up through a Chicago winter, I was sold.

[@A.S.8.9.]

Fusso coat is crazy! Outperformed a LOT of full blown ceramic coatings and it’s a freaking paste wax 😁 thankfully I have a bit left over from the old batch 😊

[@ScottHD]

It's pretty impressive. Not the easiest to apply/remove but it works! (It makes you work for it). This is the older PTFE based version - I believe it has been replaced with another version (which I will be testing)

[@A.S.8.9.]

@@ScottHD yup, I also have the new version but didn’t even crack it open yet. I’ve just waxed my car with fusso like 3 weeks ago. The more you use it the smarter you get. I wax 2/3 panels depending on the size extreamly thin to the point I can barely see where the wax is on, with a damp aplicator and go straight to buffing from where I started. Done it after a full decon in the evening on a cooled paint inside a garage. It went easy on/easy off. But fist couple times were harsh 😄

[@PeteyMcSavage]

Yea iron remover are most over rated. Iron is not an issue it minerals in water I use acid based and it help the coatings.

[@Topcoatdetail]

I have started using "Scale Eraser" for the vehicle coming for maintenance and polishing. It definitely removes water stain and contamination everywhere I apply (glass, monogram, chrome strips, plastic)

[@ScottHD]

We generally don't have a big water spotting issue from the weather there - if anything, it's minor. Fallout or iron? Not really. It would say VERY minimal, if any. Generally that is from embedded brake dust on the sides of vehicles after driving in the rain (as an example). If anything, maybe diesel soot and dust, pollen, etc. (I have a working farm and the neighboring tracts are all farmland/cattle grazing).

[@roscopervis]

Whilst there may be a small effect from the water, these soaps are also very effective on pollen and other light airbourne contaminants. Even if you’re in a soft water area, there will still be some minerals in it, so whilst it may not clog up quickly, it will eventually. Plus, when you have ‘The Pollening’ as we have seen that can kill or seem to kill many products, but sometimes, it’s the clogging issue again, where pH neutral products just don’t have the bite to fully clean off all the evidence of the pollen.

[@Steathl]

Awesome bro. Nice to see that you did what we talked about 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻.

[@wypolerowany-kosmetykasamo1015]

As always, great test. I'm glad that you made this step of decontamination :) based on behavior of all coatings, products that you use don't have any hydrofobic boosters and they actually remove minerals contaminaton.

[@snail415]

Do you see a day where we all just say the hell with it and just buy a tin of Fusso or CarPro? It’s pretty clear to me that if you’re a car nut (or the opposite), cars will not be left alone for over a year. Just seems like the market is a big gaggle of products all wearing the same t-shirt.

[@skipgumphrey9579]

Lately I’ve been thinking something along those very lines !

[@scottmattern482]

The things to remember are that some products work better in different environments, some are more widely available places than others, and some are easier to apply than others. I did just got off a live stream where a chemist said that reduced graphene oxide based ceramic coatings will be the best option for the next few years - then the next generation of products will be released which aren't sio2/ceramic based. So, its just starting to get interesting.

[@ScottHD]

Correct - I agree.. that's why I'm here to cut through the BS! Definitely look at these as a "worst case scenario" longevity (your mileage may vary) but the results are fairly consistent when testing more than once, and also seeing what others are getting (in the comment section)

[@snail415]

@@scottmattern482 Good point. I think the other X-factor…is us. We are getting nothing but older and wiser (or more foolish). Things like time and energy (and weather) affect our patience and tolerance for a product’s quirks. I’m at a point where my next car won’t be picked for factors beyond fit and finish. Hell of a lot easier to care for a car when it has enough quality clearcoat to make it worth caring-for. Lastly, watch an old video of Pan. Then watch even a preview now and try to keep your food down. Ruined 911 turbos for me for life.

[@gryphon123456]

Well one thing to consider is the fact that some products at $20 per bottle or less are laying over 9 or 10 months also. So the cost to protection ratio is still pretty high there. Especially to those who really enjoy cleaning their car on the weekend.

[@gabevillarreal96]

Excellent update! Loved every single detail! No pun intended 😉 I have fusso on my hood roof and deck lid! 3 months in with once a week hand washing using turtle wax hybrid solutions pure wash and it looks just as good as it did on the first day. I do want to try meguiars hybrid paint coating and nano age nano bond 9h soon. I've ordered the meguiars hybrid paint coating and will probably use it either for the winter or in June for the summer and fall.

[@mikeperry2814]

Go with the Nano Age 9H.... much, much better!!

[@notsodelusional]

@@mikeperry2814 I've used both. I've found the HPC to be significantly slicker and more hydrophobic after the initial application.

[@ScottHD]

I agree with the comments - both are good option, but if choosing between the two, Meguiars is much easier to use. (definitely a factor to take into consideration with these). They both are great performers!

[@notsodelusional]

Also, consider that HPC is good for at least 2 vehicles / coatings.

[@TheJackrocks1]

I just used Descale on my UndrDog Pro and it worked great. I’m gonna put it on like in every six months I’ll use it

[@robertb9838]

Forgot to hit the panel at the end with some Meguiars Hybrid Ceramic Detailer to revive some more hydrophobics.Maybe in another video

[@ScottHD]

Ahh I knew I missed something. I have some of it on hand too.

[@FredLarracuente]

Man! That NanoAge doesn't dissapoint. Have been using it since 2018 or so. Can't beat the price. It didn't get weak even after 2 yrs but had to polish the car due to swirls from careless washing and daily driving on my part. Claying every few months I think may help coatings to last longer IMHO. I'm no pro, just a car enthusiast. Cheers brother!

[@blahz7152]

Pretty sure that honeydew soap leaves behind gloss agents. A soap like meguiars hyperwash wouldn't leave anything behind and its cheap

[@ScottHD]

I've been told that too - I have been using the same soap in these tests for the last 7-8 years so I don't want to change (as much as I would like to!).

[@blahz7152]

@@ScottHD Makes sense for consistency, honey dew isn't a bad soap either

[@roscopervis]

Can’t really go changing the variable now. I think a new column on the spreadsheet may be required though - revived by acid wash.

[@neilwalker5041]

I use Descale for cleaning the low portion of the ph scale and Lift or Koch Chemie super clean for the high end of the ph scale. The coatings were definitely getting clogged.

[@roscopervis]

Have you seen the Labocosmetica 3pH system of cleaning coatings? Pretty much the same thing as you’re describing. When I first saw it a few years ago, it changed the way I think about how coatings should be cleaned and the importance of minerals clogging coatings.

[@Tarheel777]

Some products that hopefully you can review in the future all together. Majestic solutions near here makes all of their own chemicals including coatings. Would love to see majestic solutions diamond shield, majestic solutions shield Carbon with graphene, McKees graphine coating, Duraslic 1500 and duraslic 1500 extreme. Also distinctive details nano IV.. thank you Scott for all the effort you put into these test

[@ROFLWAFFLE1911]

So how much of the degradation in coatings comes from the ingredients in the soaps? It seems Descale brought back 1/3 of the panel with just letting it dwell and no contact. Maybe it's time to test the same coatings on two different sides of the hood or even two different hoods, and washing one with CarPro Reset and Honey Dew Snowfoam on the other?

[@Theguitarskater1]

Please try Koch chemie and Labocosmetica products. Labocosmetica has really high quality coatings, very known in Europe.

[@Saddedude]

claybar next :p Are you gonna change too carpro soaps after seeing these results?

[@ScottHD]

I have been using the Carpro reset soaps (since buying some for this video and the last) and I like them. I still sort of have locked myself into using snow foam for these tests (in the interest of consistency), however.

[@Saddedude]

@@ScottHD I mean we could just use reset on all future tests moving forward :p

[@raskandya]

fusso coat wax still pretty much alive

[@MrBodyman5001]

Nano Age is crazy. For 20 bucks it was a can't lose. It turned out better than I could have imagined. I really want to know what formula it is.

[@willmtaylor]

Where are you finding it for $20? I’m seeing $37 on Amazon.

[@ScottHD]

@@willmtaylor add it to your watch list (or price tracker - something like Honey or equivalent). The price seems to fluctuate quite a bit.

[@willmtaylor]

@@ScottHD Thanks. Odd, but I’m looking at CamelCamelCamel, and it’s saying the price is pretty consistent at $37. I’ll put it on the ol’ watchlist though. And thanks for the No BS videos. Stay cool in this heatwave!

[@MrBodyman5001]

@@willmtaylor sorry. I bought on Amazon April 15th for 19.99. Even without inflation prices fluctuate quite a bit on Amazon.

[@LowTegs]

It may sound silly but I urge to see a test that has been on my mind, I want to see how long a panel will bead up if you use a Ceramic spray detailer and then apply spray coatings on top of the detailer to see if there plays any longevity affect on the spray coating. I noticed that Meguires had released a 'pre' hybrid ceramic so I was wondering from a detailer pov if detailer would work like a 'pre' coating before application but I haven't had an accurate source to explain. I have tried CG hydrospeed before applying a spray coating on wheels before to provide a slicker surface to apply on since it was a very Hot and humid day. Just some thoughts on my mind, thanks Scott for all your hard work 👌

[@roscopervis]

You could try it yourself and film it. Personally, I think in most cases, this wouldn’t work well as you’re affecting the surface the more durable product has to bond with. I guess you’re thinking is hoping to be similar to primer polishes with coatings or how Feynlab use Prime clay lube to pre treat the paint surface to aid coating bonding. This would rely on the same or symbiotic chemistry being used to ensure the more durable product can still bond effectively.

[@LowTegs]

@@roscopervis appreciate the feedback but I would like to see Scott or anyone else test it, I do not have the resources to do it nor content creation skills or equipment but I just want to throw out a suggestion since I know it is open, thanks tho. If anyone has tried this type of method lmk I would appreciate some more insight. Definitely not a topic I could find much information on but the idea of a pre ceramic seems interesting.

[@roscopervis]

@@LowTegs of course, it would be interesting to see on a big channel, but there is nothing stopping you testing for yourself to learn and possibly help others with your new knowledge, if that would be something you would enjoy. Even if you do record it, just to show the results as they happen, for yourself. This is the kind of stuff I do and have done for years, play about, testing products and ideas for my own curiosity.

[@prophinishnyc31]

Shout out to nano Age for being a great cheap product from Amazon. I wonder if applying fusso over it, as a maintenance protection every few months; would affect it negatively or positively

[@jusb1066]

Well I don't know if this is quite up your alley.. a multiple products test of Gummi phlege, I've tried 4 different ones myself, there's a lot more out there, and it needs testing on different rubber seals..older etc... I'm sure some people are going to go 'what the hell is that'

[@llxVxll]

So as a newb DIY detailer, I'm curious what the process is after the coating has failed. Do you just wash>clay>dry>reapply? Do I HAVE to compound and polish or can I avoid that if the paint is in good enough condition?

[@19Clutch69]

Wow

[@BlackHawkPSU]

Try 3D Eraser, very good at reviving a coating.

[@okchawk2k]

For me, after watching these for a couple years, I'm left thinking that Ceramic/Graphene coatings are not worth the hassle and cost of application. Seems a product like Griots 3in1 or another super easy to apply coating, while maybe not having quite the longevity, can be applied much quicker and more frequently leading to more consistent water and debris shedding.

[@ScottHD]

I would have to agree with you. Simplicity vs longevity vs cost. The Graphene stuff definitely doesn't add anything in my opinion

[@ABG2412]

Totally agree -- 8 months to 1 year with something like Griot's 3 in 1 *without* any re-application/maintenance... Do a little bit of simple 3 in 1 spray and rinse (rinsing aid) or drying aid and you nearly have as much time with it as you want while it essentially keeps acting like new... Sure, you can spend extra and brag that you can get an extra 4-6 months, but you won't keep that performance at peak because they do not maintain that performance or offer a simple maintenance option. When you use something like the Griot's as a rinsing/drying aid it just keeps on working with nearly no effort and for comparatively little expense. Of course you can use sprays on top of your coating, but then, what's the point? You nailed it for my time and money Kevin.

[@thedragon356]

@@ABG2412 very true , I much rather have something that’s easier to apply and cheaper that gives awesome beading and sheeting vs something that last a bit longer

[@TheNitromanstonV]

yet I easily remove the nano age with a simple IPA, did you do the test?

[@urbanedgeautodetailing]

Descale is terrible, I have been testing it for a few months with none of the advertised effect.

[@ScottHD]

I don't know a whole lot about it - it was suggested to try and I tried it. I don't think it's "adding" anything to the panel, but why would it be more hydrophobic for some of these just letting it dwell, as opposed to washing with it? It's a bit unusual

[@orthodox1717]

@@ScottHD I think that’s the whole point of descale, to bring back hydrophobics by unclogging. It’s still working, even if it’s just dwelling. BH Auto Foam only dwells and works outstanding as a pre wash.

[@urbanedgeautodetailing]

@@ScottHD Do you have your address posted anywhere? I would like to send you a product, it's advertised as a water spot remover but does nothing for water spots. It's more of a "unclog" the pores of the coating product. One of my cars has OG Kenzo and is washed maybe once every 15 months, it came back to like new. Same with System Diamond SS and Pro. My vehicles have a minimum of 8 different coatings on them for test purposes, they see all the contamination of the road and are rarely washed. 2 reasons for the lack of washing, main is to put them through a torture test and second, working 9 days a week doesn't leave a lot of time to maintain my fleet of vehicles.

[@kristofferhauge589]

I’ve been using Descale now for the past 4-5 months for my own and all og my client’s cars. I’ve had a really great time bringing a bit more hydrofobicity back to the coatings (I use 1 layer of 3.0 topped with SIC for everyone) and it really do remove a great deal of waterspots. I’ve had them in my studio to look at the waterspots after cleaning them with Surfex HD and carpro reset, and letting Descale dwell for a few minutes, and sometimes handwashing panels twice really seems to remove pretty much all of the waterspots that have been bulding up for up to 6 months on cars that are left outside here in the northen part of norway. I also went very hard on my own car with carpro spotless 2.0 a few months ago, cause I cound not remove the waterspots that had been building up for about a year after I coated it and it WORKED!

[@ScottHD]

@@urbanedgeautodetailing yes check "about" channel ScottHD PO BOX 1500 Lindale TX 75771-1500

[@toddn.3123]

I stopped using the CG Honeydew years ago because I could tell it was leaving a film on the paint. I don't recommend it.