3k Mile Talon 1000X-4 1000R-4 Review! BSD (Bump Steer Delete) kit & Epowersteering Review

[@MiL7z]

5,000 miles on my R. Everything is stock, running 35x12.5 inch courser mxt truck tires. They fit with negligible rubbing. Stock wheels, stock steering, no i-4wd override bc that's stupid as hell, no double shear, no shock therapy tuned shocks. I live in rocky ass Montana and have done loads of snow wheeling, i-4wd makes the wheel that's spinning stop so that the other wheel spins, and it acts so fast you don't notice it. Subarus use the same technology and they're renowned for how well it works... oh and I've yet to break a single part. I drive asphalt a lot. J jump a lot. I haven't broken an axle. Learn how to drive is all I have to say to people breaking these things lol

[@gravesru]

I live in Montana too.

[@MiL7z]

@@gravesru when we going riding??

[@gravesru]

I’m retired. I have endless time! You?

[@MiL7z]

@@gravesru I'm 21 and working mon-fri but afternoons and weekends I'm game man!

[@gravesru]

@@MiL7z write me on Fb and we will set up a time.

[@lacoolhand1017]

Absolutely love your extremely detailed review! The technology is awesome

[@gravesru]

Thanks for watching.

[@gotalon]

Great video Russell! Excellent time riding with you at Glamis your rig is pretty amazing👍

[@gravesru]

Hey buddy!!! Always good to hear from you! Call or write anytime!!

[@bishop198666]

love your videos. love my talon. (only put 32s and winch on it). glad to see your dedication to the talon. respect from ont.can

[@gravesru]

Thank you watching!! I appreciate it!

[@videosatrandomplease9933]

Thank you for the videos. I finally decided to pull the trigger on a turbo. My buddy had a turbo r too.. but sold it to get a Canam for more power for the dunes. Honda has to send out the talon with a factory turbo. They dont honor the turbo install even from the dealer when you look to trade it in. The only upgrade I regret is the factory mirrors... too small.

[@gravesru]

I hope Honda comes out with a factory turbo soon!!

[@tom73055]

I to regret doing my upgrades to the talon r because I will never get the payback of spending 8,000 dollars over cost with accessories to this ride . I will have to keep it till I die . Laughing

[@johnallen2066]

Great info. I have just over 1500 miles on my X4. Only issue has been a leak in the front diff that went away on its own and also the sub transmission being a little funny to shift. Iv just been very cautious to make sure its engaged in Low.

[@gravesru]

Thanks for watching! I’m very happy with the Talon 1000R-4.

[@MiL7z]

Aftermarket shift plate and/or adjust your shift cable so that low range is engaged in the middle and not the rear of the "slot" in the shift plate. Hope that made sense lol

[@seenagermarty6345]

Thanks for this detailed review with the sample stock parts and sharing your experience with various upgrades ( like axels) . Like you, as a non turbo R -2 owner, I love my Talon, and at the same time, disappointed we have to spend so much money and time to make the machine more reliable and useable. I was wondering if you have any experience or opinion on the Double Shear kits for rear and Gusset Kits for front ? .

[@gravesru]

Thanks for watching!! I have the jsport double shear brackets on the rear and like them. I don’t have anything on the front.

[@ericelsberry5585]

The display needs updated. Just bought a Talon and that is the most disappointing part. Can’t read it in the sun well

[@gravesru]

Agree!

[@seenagermarty6345]

Absolutely. I relocated mine and still very hard to read in the sun.

[@MiL7z]

I live in Montana and it's definitely not a issue. Turn your lights on?

[@gravesru]

@@MiL7z I live in Missoula

[@ericelsberry5585]

Dark is fine but not in the sunlight

[@adamb8816]

Just fyi if you have a live valve and install the epowersteering kit you loose the live valve as there is a sensor on the shaft that isn't on the epowersteering kit. Haven't figured a way out to install the sensor on the shaft of new power steering. So you will always have light on the dash that shows failure of shocks due to this sensor not being connected. Therfore the live valve doesn't work as intended. From my experience this is happening on machine. If you have a solution please let me know. Thanks Adam

[@gravesru]

Have you talked to Ken at EPowerSteering for a solution? So there’s a sensor on the steering rack and the power steering unit too? Yes, my power steering light is always on.

[@adamb8816]

@@gravesru yeah I called him he said there wasn't a way as of yet to correct it. Not sure.

[@kenrosenbusch8853]

@@gravesru Your PS light will stay on, but the live valve system works off the sensor on the lower shaft above the rack. ePowerSteering kit does not interfere with it.

[@jbarry.854]

I run 32 inch km3's with with a 5x2 offset rim on my 2020 x4 live valve with no problem besides the bad power steering it would be awesome to put r suspension on it like you did thanks for all the info

[@gravesru]

Thanks for watching!!

[@JasonPhillips-jk9tv]

Thanks for the great insight! I just bought a 2022 Talonx4 Along with the Hcr long travel kit. Using the stock suspension what would you do with the shocks to maximize ride quality in general? Send to shock therapy for calving and springs?

[@gravesru]

I highly recommend shock therapy for valving and springs!!

[@JasonPhillips-jk9tv]

Thank You

[@Review-This]

Shock therapy just posted a video I think last week saying these are now available but maybe not for our Talon yet. Lucky I live in Arizona and there local.

[@gravesru]

They don’t have them for the talon yet. Hopefully soon.

[@benperson]

Great video, I have some similar accessories... Just put JC turbo on, rb3 1.5:1 ratio steering rack and epowersteering kit... Been annoyed with loss of handling since changing from stock tires to 31"carnivores... What are the best options of round top tires you recommend... Tensor DS have a few options... Keen on grippy but want handling heaps better for gravel road driving at decent speeds... Could you recommend some round top tire options? Cheers!

[@gravesru]

These are lightweight and rounded. Probably the best option available. tensortire.com/products/tensor-ds-desert-series?variant=39660034949279

[@rafaelfrancke2977]

Hi, first I will say you have a very informative show, thank you. I am looking to buy a used Talon, I have a Yamaha R Max 2, very low miles that is going is for sale because the ride is VERY un comfortable for my wife and myself, I am looking at the Talon because of the Transmission,[ no belt] but mainly to have a better ride from a 4 seater then my current 2 seater. Listing to your explanation at the end you say the 2 seater of Honda is much better for performance than the 4 seater, you do not touch the ride issue. Am I going to be disappointed with my change ? I hope to hear from you soon, before my Yamaha will be sold. Thanks for your time and knowledge.

[@gravesru]

Hi! And thank you for watching! I think you will be happy with switching to a talon from a Yamaha. The Honda ride is okay, but you should plan on buying new springs from shock therapy for the talon to improve the ride quality. Shock therapy also offers a RIS (ride improvement system) that makes it ride even smoother. Just know, the stock Talon does ride a little rough, but there’s an easy fix to it.

[@rafaelfrancke2977]

@@gravesru Thank you for fast replay. I was looking to read your point of view of the different of ride between the 2 seater and the 4 seater Talon. It would be much simpler for me to own a shorter 2 seater than 4 seater. is there an noticeable improvement ? is RIDE OR STABILITY between the two ? Thanks again and a good day.

[@gravesru]

@@rafaelfrancke2977 the ride on the 1000R is better, and has more suspension travel. It is more stabile since it’s 5” wider. I took the suspension off of the 1000R and put it on my 4 seater & it’s absolutely amazing now! The 4 seater at 64” wide can roll over pretty easily.

[@rafaelfrancke2977]

@@gravesru Hi Again, And again, I am looking to find out if there is a noticeable improvement in--- Ride or Stability --- between the 4 and 2 seater Talon. I will have to sell my Toy Hauler to use the 4 seater. Thanks again for fast replay. and a very good day to you.

[@gravesru]

@@rafaelfrancke2977 the 2 seater ride is better and more stabile.

[@bill_b8440]

Awesome video! Towards the end of the video you mentioned with the HCR long travel you can leave the X rack in? I can’t imagine an R rack in a 4 seater seeing as the R 2 has the same turning radius as the X 4 seater from the factory… the R rack in that long of a wheelbase has to be atrocious!

[@gravesru]

That is correct, with the HCR kit, they offer demon axles that have a larger articulation angle than the factory axles. You can also buy demon axles for the R suspension and then use an X steering rack!

[@Review-This]

I run the system 3 15” rims with 32” tires on my 1000X-4 Fox Live Valve with no issues. Only at a full locked turn does it rub just a little but it’s worth the bigger tires.

[@gravesru]

Yeah, a little rub wouldn’t bother me, but some don’t want it!

[@azdesertdog]

Great video. A lot of great information. Thank you.

[@gravesru]

Thank you & thanks for watching!

[@patrickio8084]

Now in 2024, Honda offers the Fox Live Valve suspension option. Is this even better than what your setup is?

[@gravesru]

I have the fox live valve on my Pro R and absolutely love it. I’d recommend it!

[@brianisom2661]

Question, I have a 2023 1000x4 fox live valve. I was thinking of putting 2" spacers on just the back, leaving the stock rims and tires. I'm new to all of this. Would that be a good idea or should i just leave them alone?

[@gravesru]

Thanks for watching. I wouldn’t recommend it. It puts strain on the wheel bearings.

[@brianisom2661]

@gravesru ok. Thanks, appreciate it

[@briansenz2176]

So if I order ss360 14" wheels with 6+1 or 5+2 front and 4+3 rear they will work just fine?

[@gravesru]

Yes, that is correct. I recommend 6+1 front and 4+3 rears.

[@Tom-il5xu]

I have the 2021 talon r and at 28 hours the front diff is leaking at the seal. Now I'm going to install a cab heater from inferno but don't know why no one has a video doing this with a shut off valve to shut off the heater for the summer .instructions want you to install the heater in line with the oil cooler line and connected to the bypass loôp. Any suggestions .thanks for the videos.tom

[@gravesru]

I did install a shut off valve on my two seater. But, inferno switched the plumbing and you can now unless you plumb it differently. The heater works much better now, but you can’t shut it off.

[@MiL7z]

How bad is it leaking? If it just looks wet and there isn't a puddle, run it and it'll get better*probably*,mine did this brand new, same year and model, I now have 5,000 miles without replacing anything.

[@Tom-il5xu]

Thanks will. Run it this spring and see if it gets better ,right now it is wet but not to the point of drips

[@bodinok72]

What particle separator did you use??? I'm waiting for mine to be finished, but was looking for other add-ons that the dealer couldn't get in a timely fashion

[@gravesru]

I’m very happy with the S&B particle separator!

[@PROSLV]

Hello, can you do a video on how to do the steer delete?

[@gravesru]

I can’t because it’s not for sell yet. But shock therapy make and install video for all their products when they’re for sale.

[@Tom-il5xu]

The bump steering improvement you made to the talon ,has this been used by the honda race group.? Is this available now in 2022 ? Thanks for the info

[@gravesru]

It sure if Honda uses it, but they should if they don’t. I don’t think shock therapy has made it available to the public yet, but hopefully soon

[@Review-This]

I don’t want to spent the money on a turbo but would Love to add the power commander to my 4 seater. What’s your thoughts is it worth the money and why is the 2 seater available only when it’s the same motor? Any information on this?

[@gravesru]

I don’t have any experience with the power commander, so I can’t say. Have you looked at the Kraftwerks Turbo kit yet?

[@Review-This]

@@gravesru No but I will. I’ve only known of the Jackson one.

[@anthonymitchell9403]

Have you had any problems with the low gear

[@gravesru]

Never! 14k miles. Shift at a complete stop, make sure gear is engaged before giving gas.

[@timjeffreys6855]

Good reviews

[@gravesru]

Thank you!

[@timjeffreys6855]

@@gravesru also how bad was the install

[@gravesru]

@@timjeffreys6855 for which item?

[@timjeffreys6855]

Power steering

[@gravesru]

@@timjeffreys6855 pretty easy. There’s a install video in the description.

[@juliedumont3417]

You’re buying an engine and transmission Then have to build everything thing else

[@gravesru]

That’s about right!