4 Important Details in Aiming a Recurve Bow | How to Shoot better in the wind | Form Series Ep. 11

[@NUSensei]

It was nice to be reminded of this. I had an awful shoot yesterday and it felt like every part of my process broke down. But I remembered the subconscious aim and the focus on the middle of the target and the arrows consistent went there even with everything else feeling like crap. The brain knows.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

It’s amazing what it does for sure.

[@steveruis1055]

Jake, a tip I was given when aiming off was to imagine a green dot on the target face where I want to aim. That dot is bright green (in my imagination) because it contrasts so well with all target faces. The size of the dot may be the size of the gold or the ten ring. When I set up to aim off, the imagined green dot emphasizes that I am aiming off. I added to this practice a mantra-like positioning process because as you point out the position of that dot varies with the wind, so in the background I repeat the dot's position as "9 o'clock red" languidly so as to not create anxiety, but that keeps the dot where I decided to put it. Also another point regarding looking at the target rather than the aperture is that the target is stationary, if you look at the aperture, its movement alone will cause anxiety. Looking at a stationary point of aim is calming and then also sets up the aiming off technique described above, which I cannot do if I look at the aperture as the frame of reference is no longer still.

[@JBplumbing12]

I like those suggestions. Thank you.

[@FrancSchiphorst]

In pistol shooting you want to be "surprised" by the shot and I've found it's the same with recurve aiming and executing the shot. Basically what you "see" is history. By the time your eyes have translated the light entering the eye into nerve signals and those nerve signals are processed by the brain and converted to all the signals to release your string you are easily a tenth of a second further with the bow having moved away from what you registered. But the bow/pistol is moving between the extremes of your aiming pattern so on average it's in the middle the most. So a "random" release has a better chance of being in the middle than you seeing that you are in the middle. The challenge of course is to make the aiming pattern as small as possible but this form series does a good job explaining how to achieve that goal. :D

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Sounds correct to me! Glad to help.

[@miketurner6118]

Exactly!....and well put.

[@TGregers]

Wow really good explanation. Using statistics basically. And focusing on increasing the statistical chance by steadying ur aiming pattern rather than reacting.

[@digitaldogs233]

Wow, I found by kind of accident that pushing the bow slightly I'm getting accurate shots. I thought this was just me, i already know the shoulder position while holding the bow, you explained that perfectly. But pushing the bow that for me was more a mental thing, kind saying in my head " you're going there" and throwing it with my bow aswell as letting go of string with a smooth pull threw. Wow thanks Jake, really didn't know this was actually a thing.😂

[@vesasavolainen5605]

Thank you Jake! Excellent explanation about differences indoor vs outdoor shooting!!

[@martintsang2537]

I like the last part, indoor aiming vs outdoor aiming. This answers a lot of my problems.

[@onryo13]

Thanks!

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Thanks for the Super Thanks!

[@onryo13]

@@JakeKaminskiArchery thanks for your excellent instruction videos buddy, alone through watching an few of them my form has massively improved

[@HirniNG]

Thank you for the clear and concise videos, they are a huge help to progress my archery.

[@ruudratajczak2240]

Hello big friend! I have learn so much from you and your book's that is Gold for me so helpful!👍🏻👍🏼 Thank you so much friend and may God bless you all 🙏🏼

[@martintsang2537]

focus on the subconscious... very useful tips . Thank you Jake!

[@fotoservid]

Great video man. This video answers a lot of questions!

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Excellent. Hope it helps.

[@gregp3t932]

Thanks Jake

[@CristiNeagu]

About tip #3, aiming off. One useful exercise for this is playing archery Black Jack. Get some friends and try to see who can score a 21 first. Or some other score of your choosing. This will teach you to aim at other points on the target face other than the X.

[@TallMan9379]

Hi, thank you for conforting me, i was thinking the same thing, im french, but you are not so hard to under stand. Thank you

[@davidjosemoreno6435]

Thx for the advices Jake. I am learning a lot with your videos. Keep the good job.

[@Nifelvind86]

Great video! Love that you used more metrics! :D Greetings from Germany.

[@bobjimenez4464]

Outdoor archery is a whole new game.....thanks for the video!

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Excellent.

[@Gian_St]

Really super super super video!! Wow!

[@-fazik-3713]

Great points!

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Thanks

[@garymickus6412]

Great video. Never heard of recurve target subconscious and conscious aiming and I have read and viewed many books and videos through the years except as it pertains to instinctive shooting.

[@b12khx89]

It's pretty prevalent, anytime an archer is interviewed or someone does a video series subconscious/passive aiming comes up

[@rijodel]

Great lesson, very enlightening. I learn a lot. Tks!

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Glad to help.

[@OzDizzer]

Thanks for sharing... one of the most important and interesting things I picked up from that was “close distance shooting can distract you from your form” . Would have been good to also touch on aiming with dominant eye and aiming with one eye open or both. 👌

[@rickardbrinck2886]

Your choice of sight pin can make a lot of difference if you're having trouble focusing on the target. When using the sight pin that came stock on my new Shibuya sight I just couldn't focus on the target, but after switching to a 12 mm transparent Beiter aperture with just a ring insert (no pin) it was a piece of cake.

[@luverneanimatics8769]

This is gold.

[@davidhefner5668]

I have 7 acres of flat grassland behind my house. I mow obout half of it. I've always wanted to build a range. In fact....I think about it every time I'm on the mower. The only problem the targets are at my west. Houses are to the north and south. Still they are far enough away...but I just don't want to make them nervous. So I will just have to deal with the afternoon sun. .....I'm thinking of a 4x4 structure about four feet wide with a small roof. Between the two vertical posts will be a simple shelf to support three straw bales. There will be a compression mechanism to tighten up the gaps between the bales. Bales in Ohio are about $5.00 and easily replaceable. I want to keep the center of the bale from the ground around 50 inches and centered after compression. I'm planning to use about 6 inches of compression. That should close the gap between the bales. The structure will also be adapted so hanging bag targets can be used. But at over $100 the straw would be more economical and I could therefore save more money to build more targets shelter/stands.

[@kajala11]

I use the square foam floor mats that innerlock from Harbor Tools (4 for $8) to attach to the hay bales with long metal meat scewers. Add two rows of the 4 innerlocking mats so you have them doubled up. Attach the vinal target face to the mats.😊 Cheap & works great! At this point you can then use regular stacked haybales.🎯

[@kajala11]

Secondly, another cheap shelter is a 10x10' straightleg popup canopy. Lower it when it's not in use & remove the canopy during off seasons to prolong its life. I bolted my tent to a 10'x10' 4" PVC pipe base, use the thicker pipes. The PVC corners are held together using a wood fence panel bolted into each ajoining PVC pipe then cut to fit the 45° corner angle (the tent legs are then bolted onto the wood boards). Also, bolting on the boards keeps the PVC frame together without glue so you can disassemble it (to repurpose the pipes later or to transport them). The base is very secure for the tent on windy days & if you bolt on a loop chain at the PVC corners (on the opposing sides) it makes it portable to move around your property & use as cover elsewhere. The PVC pipes slide easily along the ground & entire setup is weather proof. If you choose to do this buy a decent canopy tent...don't go cheap, with these tents you get what you pay for. Albeit, the canopy will eventually need to be replaced & can be bought separately from the frame.😊 I selected an Anti-pooling frame & tent brand.

[@evilryu29]

Use the force

[@qatararchersdinan719]

Hi jake! Thank you indeed for this video, will try to apply your advise in my tomorrow practice sessions👌

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Hope it works out for you.

[@jeremyingledew4251]

Invaluable information.

[@thomaslewis1653]

thanks for the videos. I am shooting barebow recurve. 35 pound usually at 20-30 yards. I am using this information to work on my form and trying to reduce my shot pattern. it varies from 4-8 inches at 20 yards. Having no sight I am using Gap method by looking down my arrow to the target. . I appreciate the help.

[@luiggispeed4081]

Thank you so much Jake I've been mesmerized with your series, you're definitively the best out there, I already improved several things with my form, looking for a video on release and finger positioning when using split finger olympic technique!

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Good to hear. keep at it.

[@jackhumm8689]

Hey Jake! Fairly new to archery and I've been watching your videos since day 1. Can you give any pointers on barebow aiming? Possibly a video? A lot of your videos mention a sight pin when referring to aiming

[@tonypace2009]

Jack Humm I am also curious of a few things as they relate to the different style of shooting. For instance He shoots true center shot (with parallel walled arrows) and his anchor is low and under the jaw line. This works great with site pins but causes a huge gap in using arrow to aim. I am courious where his string alignment is in reference to string blur? With bare bow we tend to have higher anchors and use the arrow in our site picture especially for gap shooting whereas he uses site pins. I wonder if he sees much of the arrow itself? I shoot 3 under and trying his anchor not working for me I would need realy long arrows to reduce the gap. I use the info I can incorporate but defitnly some difference in shooting style when it comes anchors and aiming but basicly his site pin would translate to the top of arrow in gap shooting and the term shooting off we use all the time in gap shooting as in aiming at a leaf that is below a rabbit to hit the rabbit and keeping your focus on the leaf through the shot. So I can relate to much of what he is showing but I simply want to become as accurate as possible for hunting and thinking of trying 3d with bare bow.

[@GregJebailybaritone]

Hi Jake, speaking of eye focus, would you consider covering optics in archery in a bit more detail. I’ve been having trouble lately with my target splitting in two visually, and I’ve received a lot of feedback that it could be alignment, draw length, head rotation etc. I’d love to hear about how you would address this problem from the standpoint of NTS. Than you!

[@kevincraig8257]

i know what you're what talking about this works with quite a few sports like say bowling

[@miketurner6118]

Jake... the reason Recurve is subconscious and the compound is conscious, is arrow speed. You can influence the shot after release only if the arrow is still in the bow....recurve it is, compound its gone....my scientific theory and pretty sure it is correct, I shoot both. Another Awesome lesson, once again. thanks

[@Dougarrowhead]

Poor form if arrow flight is affected by your release.

[@SPUNKYGAMINGbestyouthuber]

hi, can u help me know whether to aim from the right side of the string or the left for a right handed shooter.Any plans on making a video on it?

[@AmandaBlackmoore]

Great video I am new to archery can you do a video on barebow recurve aiming to better yourself thanks for your great videos keep them coming

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Sure

[@clij5202]

In the wise word of Obi Wan Kenobi: Use the force Luke

[@robsarchery9679]

nice info

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Thanks.

[@jamesdavison4549]

Brilliantly explained Jake .nice 1....is it poss to do a vid explaining mind set and pressure because for example if im scoring groups get wider and more random and as soon as scoring finishes and im just practicing a big improvement happens leaving me feeling frustrated

[@yannisgiokas]

Hi Jake , does all this apply for barebow too?eg. can i substitute the word sightpin with the word tip of the arrow? Cause in barebow we aim different. Thanks for all your great videos!

[@adznz11]

I'm not qualified like Jake but essentially yes. This is an aiming method that translates across for non mechanical archery in general. It even actually applies to mechanical archery and even shooting but to much less of a degree. The information in this most definitely applies the same to barebow especially if you are a string walker.

[@kenshiro882002]

Totally agree with your tips..I am actually subconsciously aiming.. Need your help. After the anchor, if my sight is slightly below the target, how do I raise the bow to align it? Do I lift the bow with my arms or tilt from my waist? Thanks Jake..

[@randallkadish5663]

What about if we are not using a sight pin? Should we focus on the target or the arrow?

[@tonywhitwham7604]

Hi Jake, shooting 30m to 90m, the sight pin travels some way down the sight. Do I raise my bowhand or bend from the waist? Thanks 👍

[@mrzapo03]

Hi Jake love your videos, I’m a beginner archer and I’ve just shot my first recurve bow. I’m left eye dominant so I shoot with my left hand, am I suppose to be closing my non dominant eye for aiming?

[@boxertechnical]

Did you ever make a video on aiming eye vs dominant eye as discussed on the push podcast? Or is there a resource you can refer me to?

[@riccokane]

Solid video! People look at me like I am crazy when I try to tell them about sub conscience aim at the range. Glad to have a video to refer to now. I like the recommendations for shooting in the wind a ton! So even aiming off target in 45 mph wind you wont move the sight pin?

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Correct, never ever move it left or right to compensate for wind IMHO

[@riccokane]

Jake Kaminski love it. Thanks so much for the videos and the reply! Are you planning anything related to Bradys 900 at Vegas? Would love to hear some banter between you two. Anyway, cheers!

[@sirkeibner1270]

Great video Thanks Jake ... i have a question for you . do tournaments or shot offs get caneceld because of to much wind ,,and how much wind does it have to be , cause iam shooting here always with minimum 20 knots in my back and sometimes its quite dificult for me to aim ... but i will considere what you just said ,and try not to aim to much ,,,thanks

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

No, I have never been to a tournament where they have ever canceled due to winds. Never, even in 45 mph cross winds (2013 World Championships) we were aiming off the target at 70m.

[@sirkeibner1270]

@@JakeKaminskiArchery ooooo wow ,,, thats a challenge 45 mph blowing . thanks a lot for your answer ¡ i guess i have to toughen up , have a good weekend Jake

[@luismota6231]

Can u make video dedicated to trading recurve?

[@luismota6231]

I mean traditional

[@MrGizmoto]

For barebow, do you aim directly behind the arrow, in drawn position, regardless if centercut (riser cut only to midway) vs. center point bows (arrow is aligned through center)? I wasn't sure if arrow flexibility overcomes just the horizontal angle change between string and arrow rest, or if it overcomes string and center point of the bow.

[@wibbly8011]

Do you follow the same aiming principal when gap shooting?

[@mikeclarke8267]

Another great video. Thanks for making it. I would rather that you were preparing for Tokyo. But the Olympic team's loss is our gain.

[@seeingthepattern]

Would a larger diameter sight pin make it easier to focus on the target rather than the pin?

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Too large and its distracting for me, also its not a finite enough reference I might as well be shooting instinctive. Its up to each individual person.

[@seeingthepattern]

I was thinking of something like a Titan recurve pin. Has a clear centre spot, but allows a better view of the target.

[@juffurey]

I'm kinda confused. I'm not planning to use a sight (yet), just have a hunting recurve. I understand what you mean about focusing on the target, but then how could you ignore where the sight pin is? Isn't that the point of using a sight?

[@archery3009]

Can you do a video on how to get used to shooting with a clicker and how to not react to it

[@edyhaffiz4325]

Hi Jake. Could you let me know how to cut x10 arrow as this type of arrow is bulging in the middle.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Only cut from the front. I’ll cover more on why later

[@jeldatu6285]

If you are right handed using the right eye (dominant) to aim, which side of the string is your eye looking/aiming through the pin into the target at anchor? Right side or left side?

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Left side. Check out my string alignment video I produced for more explanation.

[@jeldatu6285]

@@JakeKaminskiArchery. Got it. Thanks. "Look past the bow not through it"

[@saverbio91]

Very useful video... But I have a question... I shoot at 18m and I really can't aim with both eyes open... After a while (specially if my red pin is on the red), the pin fades away, so I can't check the clicker as you do (because my right eye is just in line with the arrow so I understand where the clicker is)... Do you have any tips how to keep both eyes open? Maybe I do something wrong

[@acupuncturevet9481]

Do you ever shoot clout? Any hints on aiming for this?

[@thetruthisoutthere7350]

Hi Jake. Off topic abit.I just wondering what kind of extention brady ellison use. It seems shorter than normal 3inch extention.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

No idea what he uses.

[@thetruthisoutthere7350]

@@JakeKaminskiArchery noted jake

[@thetruthisoutthere7350]

@@JakeKaminskiArchery btw. I like what u did and provide all the information especially on KSL archery method. Im am not an archer but my son is. He have his own coach teaching him conventional korean style method. I did find all the resource and study archery theory and method and i find out KSL method is the best for my son. He is improving time by time. The reason im asking what brady use is due to he admire brady so much and want most of his archery equipment as same as what brady use. His coach already aware that he is now using KSL method and his coach let him to continue this method. His coach now only observed his release part and ensure consistancy while using KSL method even his coach is more into korean style of shooting. Thanks for the video and keep it running ya. I know brady use shrewd stabilizer and Atlas V Bar. However the extention is shorter than 3 inch. If u find out in future kindly update me ya.

[@BlasterKotakatik]

@@thetruthisoutthere7350 The "extension" you're mentioning is actually just a vbar bolt from a standard stabilizer setup. I use one and mine is a 1 inch bolt which works great for my setup.

[@senthilkumart6761]

It doesn't seem like a big deal that you won a silver medal, you look like a great person because you have taught so much and so far...

[@consume_vegetables]

Mr Miyagi was right all along. Look at the target. Focus on the bullseye until it gets "as big as a melon".

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Wax on, Wax off.

[@popcorngenerator1925]

Morten Jacobsen I think you’re taking it a bit too literally

[@antonioiennaco4071]

Ci vorrebbe la traduzione. Grazie.

[@mahendra4352]

Great video, Jake. I've never found this information on other archery channel. 1. Several times when I shoot, when my sight pin float off the gold, right after clicker went off, my bow arm somehow move toward the center. I'm in no way a proficient archer, so I thought it was form mistakes. Or is it the kind of "subconscious correction" that you talk about ? 2. Regarding the difference between close and far distance, is it possible for an archer to be good at far distance but not good at close distance (and also vice versa) ?

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

1. I think so, the body is amazing 2. Yes its possible especially when applying the info covered here.

[@davidhefner5668]

Hmmm......your wife must me left handed. My wife is also. At our county fair there was a range set up by our local club. Her first shot ever was an arrow through the top of the tent.

[@AsfandyarZafar1]

Sir it is possible that equipment provided in archery club

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Sometimes it is provided. or available for rent.

[@AsfandyarZafar1]

@@JakeKaminskiArchery thankyou sir

[@malcomsue]

Completely different in handgun (open sights) shooting where your focus should be on the front sight and target fuzzy. Interesting.

[@digitaldogs233]

When kisik tought you, was he a spiritual man, i don't mean religion i mean inner spiritual? Kinda seing this alot in you're vids where you mention a mental aspect, I'm pagan so believe we can will some to be better, alot of pagan spells are actually very psychology based, alot get this confused, majik is not summoning demons or making things disappear, you can make someone not see you, but that would take awhile to fully explain, but in short it's human psychology

[@msaedmsaeed4127]

then why we should use sight for recurve bow !? I'm confused

[@SatishKumar-ki4yj]

IN Hindi Palice Sir IM IndIa

[@electoplater]

unlucky not to win gold in london

[@charlesdenman9052]

Too much fluff in the beginning of your video. Get to the point after a brief intro.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Check out some of my recent videos, less fluff.... this channel has evolved a lot in a short period of time.

[@Dougarrowhead]

5 minutes and cant watch anymore too much philosophy.

[@jamesrose9802]

Alot you talk about does not add up and i belive you can be telling future Archers the wrong lesson

[@hasbullahmatrahim5350]

Please... give more practical (vidoe), less talk