Hook and Grip: Set Position part 2 with Jake Kaminski | Recurve Archery Form Series Episode 5

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

I have had a few people mention they feel like they are taking advantage of the situation with this info being out there for free. I want to let you all know that I am doing this to help spread the word of my knowledge on the sport to bring more interest into the seminars that my wife and I have been hosting around the world.... The best thing you could do is to spread the word about this KZbin Channel and to get this info out there for people to use. There isn't enough solid resources for information with experience to back it up and there is a huge void with first hand experience as a top level archer. You can help out the community at large and encourage it to grow. Support for this channel is generated from views, subscribers and the books/seminars that we have available on my website www.jakekaminski.com There is also Amazon Affiliate links to tools and gear listed in the description so be sure to check that stuff out if you are in need of the tools or equipment I use. A book containing the information from the tuning series is in the works and I am excited to get that out there as another resource for you, the archery community to enjoy.

[@NUSensei]

Take it from me too: we wouldn't be making content freely available if we didn't want to share it. Knowledge needs to be shared. Don't feel bad learning from people who want to teach it. You can pay it forward by sharing it with other people who want to learn.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Hear, hear.

[@dennisds33]

Even Nusensai is looking... Cool stuff :-) really happy with this info here... I guess there are a lot of different styles to learn but not much info about it. I'm glad to suck all the info in to me to make it work for me. All this small details give me a hint I did not receive yet from our couchs. Thanks again!

[@TracyPicabia]

Comprehensive AND concise and with clear simple explanations of the physical forces that these techniques are working with. Absolutely terrific videos. Next step for me: share link on my clubs WhatsApp group. Many thanks

[@MrIanfurniss]

Thanks again for doing this, there is as you say, a huge void in real experience out there! In the UK, most of our coaches shoot barebow or come from a barebow background and even the county level (lvl2) coaches that I've come across so far don't seem to properly understand Olympic Recurve. Hearing from someone that's been there, done it, and lived it, makes a big difference!

[@NUSensei]

It occurred to me that we're making the same set of videos. Except, I'm working backwards through the cycle for some reason. Just finished watching this one while doing SPTs. Excellently explained. Felt like I was hearing it from Coach Lee again.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

That’s funny. I’m glad other people are spreading the gospel of Coach Lee. You have the ability to explain it from a fresh set of eyes which will help people a lot especially after they go snow-blind from the information dump that is my videos haha.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

You started from most critical parts of actual importance which is not a bad idea.

[@bobjimenez4464]

You're awesome too Sensei!!!

[@andychandler3992]

At least we know those ideas we're "borrowed" ;)

[@ThirdLawPair]

It makes some sense to start at the end. I never fully understood the set position until I started to really study the release. By working backwards you can see what each position is progressing towards.

[@mikhailfong6234]

That really clear the air for me. I have been struggling to find resources like this. You are the best. Thanks Coach Jake.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Thanks for the feedback.

[@joeparent5777]

I just wanted to thank you. I am relatively new to archery. My wife and I started a few months ago and instantly fell in love with traditional recurve. We don't know anyone in the sport to guide us so we hunted all over KZbin and found you. Your videos are so wonderful and easy to follow without too much information to get lost in. We have seen our skill level vastly improve since we found your videos. I can't thank you enough for taking the time to share your insights with people like us. We cannot even begin to express our gratitude. We will be buying your books and using your affiliate links as a token of our appreciation.

[@ArcheryGeek]

You just solved a medical mystery. My index finger in my right hand went numb and we thought it was arthritis. It just started happening after months of 50 arrows a day training. Dude I don’t know how to thank you!

[@sillybilly7467]

From about minute 6 and on there are the 10 most useful minutes I’ve ever watched. Thank you Jake.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

I’m here for people Like you.

[@sillybilly7467]

@@JakeKaminskiArchery love it man. I’m seriously considering the live coaching. It would be a bit complicated to arrange it though because I live “across the pond”

[@craigeffinger1396]

Total neophyte here. Choice was either golf or archery. I had known that each was a technical skill set that would take time and patience. I chose archery. Just now getting that its form first, then hitting the target. Thanks Jake for a superb job explaining all the specifics in body position. Great on you for sharing your knowledge with us sir!!

[@user-xt4hr1ji6u]

Jake, well done. Superbly done. Your work really fills a void out there. There's nothing like this out there. It's worth it's weight in gold.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Thanks for the support.

[@dennissnyder626]

Jake, Listened to you on PUSH podcast which led me to you you tube channel. Your instruction on how to hook the bowstring properly with 80 % pressure on index finger saved me from continued pain and a swollen middle finger!!! and the smooth release as a result has tightened my groups immensely. I can't thank you enough Thank you!!! I will be watching all your videos!!!

[@joobydooby]

Having same issue as many others here recently - numb fingers. Thanks for the tip!

[@ChristineCOgan]

Thank you so much Jake! Had no idea this is why my hand was slipping exactly the way you say. Really appreciate this video. Thank you again

[@jimmyit4722]

You saved my ring finger man! thanks for the tips! Great video!

[@paul-andrewbridge3617]

Really appreciate your videos Jake. This one helped a lot. Thank you from the UK.

[@gavinbensutherland508]

Jake I wish I I had this very helpful info before shooting at Rio because the the time I got there I had numb fingers from gripping to deep . Thank you for keeping up this great info .

[@fernandointerlandi1667]

this is the best video i ever had seen about technics. thanks coach.

[@dustydustydusty]

I've done now about 60, 000 shots. Upon review. This video is absolutely beautiful. I can only honestly hope that I do.

[@dustydustydusty]

Yeah this is way better than I thought. Go Jake!

[@christian_oz]

Thank you Jake for all the great info. One thing that would be good to get your thoughts on would be the elbow position of the arm holding the raiser. Cheers.

[@adrish8743]

Mr. Jake, I'm getting tighter groups as getting the thumb on the pinky finger is resulting in uniform tension in the hooking fingers. Its really amazing, so thanks a lot for helping me out Mr. Jake. Good Day!

[@andersonleung]

This series is great. All the readings I have done is "live" now by your great presentation. You also clarify people's uncertainties or even 'arguments' on every details. Very much looking forward to the coming episodes in the series. I can feel that I am 'fixing' my shooting problems gradually. Thanks again.

[@B.A.Bassangler]

I've worked as an engineer, contractor, and as a Physical Therapist's Asst, and have to compliment you on your content and delivery. I've committed to correcting >30 years of bad form and tuning habits. My repetitive motion injuries have been exacerbated by overuse during work related tasks. Bicep tendonitis, Lateral Epicondylitis, Carpal Tunnel, MCP tendonitis, and now...distal nerve damage!! I'm a hot mess and have no choice but to learn to do it correctly. Thank you for sharing! If anyone is interested, search neural glides as a hand therapy exercise.

[@lordcarnorjax8599]

I keep returning to this video because this is the area & release are always where I have problems. Watching it again because my form has gone backwards and so have my scores but the first time I watched this and addressed these areas my scores went up dramatically. Thanks for explaining everything clearly and concisely.

[@tonywhitwham7604]

More brilliant explanations, I have addressed my incorrect grip, was pushing against the pivot point. So now I have discovered the correct pressure point I have found stability and lost about 1/2" draw length which suits me very well. 32" draw on 70" limbs squeezes my fingers together and the index finger gets pushed off the string so losing draw length is good.

[@dmakropoulos1]

These Form Series videos are top-class seminars provided for free. I was shooting 38 on average and now in a week, I am shooting 50. Thank you so much for this informations.

[@dmitrylazarenko7504]

Hi Jake! Thanks for both series - tuning and forming. I have found many details and nuances in your video which not reflected in olimpic archery bibles of coach Lee and Kim. Your project is vital for people who do not access to qualified coaches. Thanks and please continue!

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Thanks for the support.

[@clij5202]

Thanks Jake for your efforts. Really liked the way you used the detached grip to show the way to grip it better

[@TutorWindow]

Hey, Jake, I just wanted to come back and say these two vids helped me a lot. I changed from life long right handed shooting to left handed shooting a short while ago. I was fortunate to find these vids, as they are helping me fine tune the move from right to left. First, the finger length talk and hook and so on section--great. I see my left hand as my stupid hand even though I finger guitar with it, so your vid helped with the hook. But the great thing was showing the twist at the waist. When I drew with my right hand this was all natural, as I throw baseball right handed, but when I switched I knew I had to do it, but I didn't have the right image or words to make it so. Now it's more natural. Sweet. Thanks.

[@martinMD]

Jake I've been following all your videos and have watched them all several times over .I've been shooting archery many years now with some success. Coach Jake I've totally changed every aspect of my shooting technique according to your coaching and I'm only now beginning to enjoy my Archery and my form . Thanks coach Jake I only wish you'd been about many years ago doing these coaching videos

[@cluek9780]

I started toward target archery after watching the last Olympics- and am only *now set-up with Olympic-style gear (W&W). I will start *again tomorrow (at 70yo) using your laudable tips. What incredibly-valuable resources you’ve made! Subbed!

[@allanjgray1]

Thanks for this one Jake, very well explained.

[@kentreuber8026]

I recently started shooting again, and have pain in the first joint in my middle finger. This video was very helpful.

[@Arrowchucker]

Thank you so much. Where I live almost no one has any recurve knowledge. I’m in Northern MN so travel anywhere is a long way. I shoot BB recurve and I don’t have any help but you tube and Level 4 coach Arne Moe who is still 3 hr drive. Hop to see you In Vegas. Arrowchucker out.

[@markbraham5439]

Great detail, thanks Jake Kaminski.

[@nigelbailey609]

Thanks Jake . That video was so informative. Ive been shooting for almost four years now but have to say the last few minutes of the video are a revelation to me. I have never really had it explained to me with such clarity . I fear that whilst on the range tomorrow i will be thinking of so many things you covered it may be overwhelming. But many thanks and keep up the good work. You may not realise but you are now my archery coach. Thanks .

[@michaochrombel5002]

Great lesson, thank you, keep up the good work! Greetings from Poland

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Thanks!

[@waynestevenson9613]

Dear Jake, Thank you so much for this valuable information that you are paying forward to the archery community! This is an incredibly good information resource. An amateur archer could accelerate his learning curve tremendously with all of this solid info! Compound, Recurve and Barebow archers can all benefit from this wealth of info! So much of our sport is integrated and congruent to one thing: enjoying the flight of the arrow and the satisfaction of becoming one with the bow! Thank you for what your doing!

[@eduardoaguileraruiz3101]

I'm really exciting with all this info and the tunning series, really appreciate your effort, thank you very much!

[@mattinflow]

Thank you. By far the best resource I've seen on you tube. I'm really sorry to miss your London seminar - hopefully I can catch it next time.

[@andychandler3992]

Many thank yous for the explanation "index: back tension. Lower and middle: bicep." I did some changed to my grip and while I'm still in the conscious stage where I'm having to think through the form change, I can notice I'm cleaner and grouping tightening in about a ring.

[@johnnyarchery5212]

Just shot barebow at Lancaster and wished I had seen this video before. Great explanation on so many aspects of the cycle. Seeing immediate results and can’t thank you enough for putting out such awesome content!

[@matthewnorris203]

Thanks for making these videos, Jake. I learn a lot of Little changes That make me steadier

[@gregmccausland]

I must say your channel has been a total godsend for me because I haven't been able to get coaching with ranges closed. I am new to archery but have been "training" for something for most of my life. You give the detail/theory behind form I needed and was lacking in other coaching resources that I, unfortunately, paid for - keep it up. You packed a lot into 28 minutes that will take some time to implement but already it has changed my shot. So far everything I've watched in your form series seems applicable to three under barebow. I will be looking for your seminars on the East coast whenever this covid calamity comes to an end and can't wait to see you at the Lancaster Classic shooting barebow! Off to blank bale while the boys are still napping.

[@iaincope5531]

I am really looking forward for your venture into Barebow. I`m sure you will smash it.

[@Riccardo250]

Great job man! Your explanation is clear and demonstrate that all the theory (total Archery?)is fully “digested” by a top archer like you. Congratulations

[@billycharters3384]

Hi Jake i saw your videos the first time around nice to see you back, and still doing it for the archers keep up the great work , you show and explain like no other ,best regards to you and Heather ,Billy from England.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Thanks, my wife and I will be in the London area in a couple weeks. If you have the ability I wouldn't want to miss the opportunity to come to our tuning seminars! For some info check out www.jakekaminski.com and click on the seminar/clinic info.

[@niklassvensson6526]

Thank you! Jake. Iam at the range shoting in the black and blue, sat down watched this video shot another set now iam in the gold and red :) thx. I will start supporting when i have built up my gear some more, archery is expensive :)

[@richardbasnett7695]

Good information. Very clear!

[@bowtechlover1]

Hey Jake. I absolutely love your videos so much!!! I follow you and learn and teach the NTS system. I’m doing what you say about everything. However, I can’t or let me rephrase that, I’m finding it difficult to anchor under my chin bc I’m basically, head and shoulders. I have no neck to speak off. I’m built short and squat and probably crushed a few vertabrae during my football career. (Figuratively speaking)! But I’m doing what’s good for me with my hand size and my thick neck and no neckness. But I’m not giving up on working on making my form the best I can do. Thanks Jake.

[@michaelburrows7600]

Thanks Jake, the best and most useful video to date - at least for me. I'd be very interested to know when using barebow how keeping your wrist bent away would work at your hand is against your face. perhaps you could cover that in a barebow specific video if you decide to take up the black arts.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

I have some thoughts on that already will work on it when I decide to go for it. I'll probably do a video documentation of that.

[@pb5440]

genius! the hook details are excellent

[@ronsarchery6378]

This finally made sense to me tonight. The detailed information linked together was easy to inderstand. Now if I can incorporate it, Thanks. I linked to here from your live stream.

[@zorro96]

Hi Jake Glad I came across this video because I've been having trouble keeping my form still before shooting. Changed my hook by pushing my fingers inwards rather than outwards (which is the natural thing to do) when placing my fingers and drawing the string (5.50)

[@tomconaway3286]

Thank you for sharing your insights & knowledge,,,, you right most of what you are presenting is transferable to the barebow archer

[@8ballali]

Absolutely brilliant, detail-packed, lesson. Thankyou

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Thank you.

[@dolf-dietramniehaus2498]

Thanks for the series and all the tips. It helps so much. Please keep going on. It’s much appreciated!!!

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Thank you.

[@surinmallawaaratchi7253]

You are the best of the best. Thanks a lot, hats off Sir.

[@peternguyen1911]

Thank you for your form series! As a Barebow shooter, your stance video helped me get more inside the bow with better alignment and draw weight support along my skeletal structure (I'm not feeling the draw weight as much as before). This video helped me have a stronger bow arm by having a grip with better support from bone and further reducing the feeling of the draw weight at full draw. I've been hitting more tens and Xs than ever before on a 40cm face, 18m, and hit my PB of 276 on a WA 300 round. Thanks again!

[@mgeelhoed1307]

GREAT!! all my questions answered thanks

[@jcgardner5852]

Thank you if my coach had gone through even some of this when I shot at university I think it would have made some points for me at nationals.

[@dustydustydusty]

Im gonna have to watch this video a buch of times

[@allgoodluck168]

Thanks so much for so generously sharing your knowledge! I have just started learning archery and found all your videos super helpful! I can properly without the fingertab but after wearing the fingertab, i cannot tell if i'm hooking correctly because the leather is on the string instead of my fingers. Do you have a video where you demonstrate how to hook correctly when wearing a fingertab?

[@kennylainhart7148]

Great video 👍 & information 👍 Thanks man!!

[@msr_aas499]

Thanks jake for this great video

[@dermaulwurf5540]

Hi Jake, thx again!

[@lukeclamon]

Love the video it has helped me to get through some form problems. like getting my finger position on this string correct, so don't have to end up with a weird angle in my wrist, so I can place my hand under my face correct. Thanks for the help

[@stephenfloyd315]

You're the man! Thanks for the videos.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Cheers!

[@itop38]

Thanks for this very helpful video, it clarified posture to have.

[@bowman321123]

This is a really great series, thanks for sharing. I shoot traditional/instinctive but there are still some good tips to be used.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Thanks

[@thinkmor]

Thank you for the great explanation details on the basic hook and grip- what do you do with your breath at the start, setup and through any shot to the end? Many thanks

[@TheSalsaVida]

Hi Jake , can you do a video on finger tabs, the right purchase , setup,( finger spacing to prevent pinching the nock, arrow / nock clearance, cutting the excess material etc etc. Thanks in advance. Keep up the great series and work👍

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

For sure.

[@darkpassenger65]

Okay, I'm confused on one point. First time at the archery range today and my arrow kept coming off the rest as I went into full draw. I was careful not to pinch the nock. You said to start at the fingertip and "roll in" your fingers into position. I haven't tried this yet but it seems like that would cause your string to twist in a direction that would cause your arrow to come off the rest? I am in no way doubting your teachings, just trying to wrap my brain around it. And thank you very much for your tutorials, they are my go to for this new challenge.

[@johng1097]

Great tips - thanks !!!

[@TheSalsaVida]

Hi Jake, thank you so much for sharing your knowledge in a true and down to earth manner, I can't stress enough how much this is helping me to progress. Like others I can't get to London this month to join you and was wondering if you intend to more seminars in the uk? Thanks. Jon

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

We are open to any seminar anytime as long as there is interest in us being there for sure.

[@TutorWindow]

"squeeze" is good advice

[@edilioriva1943]

Thank you Jake!

[@Drakkar983]

Boom! Revelations 😯👏 Thank you

[@danielshaughnessy1160]

Hi Jake - first of all thank you so much for all of these excellence videos, I've learned a ton from watching. I had a question on grip that also relates to the loading part of the cycle. In the loading video you mention the bow rotating as you move from rotating for alingment to loading the bow. I'm curious how to get my grip set properly during set up when the grip changes substantially when the bow rotates later in the shot. I'm struggling a bit getting a consistent grip after the bow rotates and I'm not sure if theres something I'm missing with my initial grip set or if the grip should not be moving as the bow rotates (and if that's the case is there a trick to avoiding that). Thank you so much!

[@danielmacias3069]

Thanks for such a great videos, Jake. I appreciate what you do, specially for those whom have been struggling with this. I got a question about a different issue: Wish shape of feather should I use on a Recurve bow? It has 55 lb draw. Thanks in advance.

[@dominic6634]

Very helpful had wondered about this.

[@JRidesRally]

So informative! All the videos are fantastic. Thank you so much

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Thanks for the support!

[@peterbartley9777]

Good video very informative. Quick question: What's with the 'forward flick' of the bowhand as the shot is delivered??? If the pressure is low on the heel of the bow hand that forward 'flick' doesn't seem possible!!!

[@wiremonkeyshop]

This is so helpful!

[@TheBraveArchery]

Hi Jake, Thanks for all the great information. I would like to understand the reason why you suggest to "squeeze" the throat of the grip on it's side wall? ( video time : 22:10). Is there any reason for it? Thanks in advance! :)

[@stephanelevy6460]

Hi Jake, I am very interested in the response also

[@thedownhilla]

Rookie archer from over the pond in the UK. Enjoyable and powerful information - thank you! Question regarding thumb/pinkie distance and wrist alignment (~13min into vid) - I’m hyper mobile and seem to be able to flex wrist outward whilst maintaining distance between digits. Any thoughts?

[@sunilkumar-by3gx]

Thank you so much for this video and this video is very nice

[@alessandrosperanza8311]

Grazie.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Thanks for the super thanks!

[@paweonisk6377]

Thank you for this great series Jake. It would be very helpful if you could cover finger tabs topic; especially customization aspect and how it affects the hook.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Will do.

[@peterwilson569]

This is amazing. When I try the hook and grip the way you describe it it almost feels impossible to draw wrong.

[@ArisRiazis]

Please kindly explain regarding whether we should using finger sling on compound bow.

[@joachimdorner4785]

Great video and great effort, thanks Jake, keep it up please!

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Will do!

[@mehrakfaraji5636]

Thank you Jake, would you please explain what is the significance of the ring finger?! Some archers even top ones specially women, have a loose ring finger!

[@massimomagli9244]

Thank you

[@shed.projects5150]

Hi Jake, I am about to receive my first bow, ( samick sage recurve ) and I am wondering why you use an arrow release tool with the compound bow, and use fingers with re recurve. everyone seems to do this, but never mention the reason why. Could you please advise. Keep up the good work, I like your teaching style.

[@agns3230]

Great content, thank you so much!

[@hannah9419]

Now I'm wondering about the draw hand's thumb & pinky placement. Is touching them to each other/especially having the thumb bent actually beneficial? Or is it just a neat way to keep them out of the way? Realistically, if you don't add any additional stress/forced to the wrist deliberately, the hand-arm connection should sort itself out automatically without having to prevent unwanted bending of the wrist with thumb positioning. So keeping the thumb straight(ish) and relaxed along the underside of the jaw and the pinky just dangling should work as well, or am I missing something?

[@Sanyok_K]

Dear Jake, when I am pushing my bow hand towards the target and also follow "pinky back - thumb forward" recommendations, then changing the position of pinky and thumb fingers also changes the position of the bow and also my wrist wants to be envolved and moves forward. Do you have more videos about grip?

[@mohammadsh7257]

عالی بود (جامع و کاربردی )👌

[@mgeelhoed1307]

Love what you are doing, could you do a vid on excercises and training practices?

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Will do.

[@youserious6725]

For future video in the finger hook do you trim your finger tab and if so could you discuss this process

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

I’ll do that in a future episode. Good idea.

[@youserious6725]

Thanks for quick reply. Love your work

[@bobjimenez4464]

A cure for the dead tip of my middle finger......thanks Jake.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Good to hear.

[@dejanmiklavcic6663]

Hey Bob, did Jake's approach help you with the dead tip of your middle finger? I am in the same situation now...

[@bobjimenez4464]

@@dejanmiklavcic6663 Yes, holding on the finger tips and rolling in is helping me. Still a little numb on the middle finger but it's only been a few months and it seems to be getting better (slowly). I hurt my middle finger badly by shooting 2 fingers under as I did in my youth.