4 Sith Lords Who Rejected Darth Bane's Rule of Two

[@Amadeo790]

Vectivus kind of seems to be the only sith that wasn't a total tool to the darkside, manipulated and blinded into a narrow mentality. I bet his power in the force was outstanding and focus unbreakable by anger and blood lust.

[@jakealter5504]

Jose Ssegovia some of the sith from SWTOR were like that as well (Lana Beniko and Darth Marr for example)

[@goodputin4324]

Darth Gravid, Ramage the same

[@fraser4982]

Jacen tried to follow vectivus way

[@guifdcanalli]

I kinda like that He is a truly dark side user, not manipulated by the dark side like all the sith, but used the dark side and kept himself in control

[@naseemweathers8358]

@@fraser4982 yes he did but he ended up becoming just like the other Sith

[@CrualBirab]

Darth Vectivus the only Sith Lord to go into retirement lol

[@teebrinner5939]

lol that's brilliant..a holiday home ..cocktails...boat..he wasn't silly

[@craigbrown9716]

something i think on alot !

[@WadcaWymiaru]

I RESPECT this guy more than any guy in Star Wars !!!

[@massageadventurist9804]

He’s a regular at our spa. He likes the hot stone treatment.

[@LordWyatt]

Darth Arthritis?

[@JanPeverell]

I find Darth Vectivus to actually be a very interesting Sith because he did not fall into their typical failings, yet became powerful enough to ascend to mastery. He seemed to have embraced the notion that passions are not limited to fear, anger and hatred. Yet despite not desiring the destruction of the Jedi and control of the galaxy, Vectivus trained an apprentice and allowed the Sith to continue with their plans, possibly out of a feeling that all the really important things would only happen after his time. While Darth Bane would likely have considered Vectivus as much of an pretender as Krayt, I really would have liked to learn more about him.

[@near1999]

ImperialistOpinions Me to

[@Rubberbandman04]

Great point vectivus was more a dark sider than a sith he just trained a apprentice and passed the mantel to him and let him continue on got his money had children I wonder if his family line is strong in the force

[@13thmistral]

same, i want a movie about that guy or a good novel

[@sevonstudios8332]

Well actually I believe bane would respect vectivus because he furthered most darkside knowledge of powers and bane also would respect the resolve to realize he would not defeat the Jedi in his time

[@JXZX1]

Now I'm curious how Krayt would have viewed Vectivus.

[@pmac438]

Did anyone reject Anakin's rule of sand?

[@lukeskywalkerthe2nd773]

Pmac43 Darth High Ground did

[@jorinbeaumont6312]

Pmac43 😂😂😂

[@maistromann136]

Pmac43 he doesn't like it

[@sgtkaruro699]

No, it's too coarse, rough, and irritating to be rejected. Not to mention it got everywhere.

[@brokeneyes6615]

Pmac43 only two grains of dark sand in vaders suit their should be, no more, no less. Forever aggravate dark lord it will!

[@patsboy1012]

Gravid was right that the Force needed to be approached in a gray manner but to destroy all that knowledge was foolish.

[@lukeskywalkerthe2nd773]

Jack Boy I strongly agree

[@notpulverman9660]

Jack Boy gray manner is incorrect definition. Grayness defines ordinarity/neutrality.

[@ShifuCareaga]

Not Pulverman wrong on two counts. first there are gradations of gray. secondly the true Force or Tao is a union of dualities. but the Sith did not classically embrace this and kids should understand this.

[@etel_unraed]

@Human Person Revan : "yeah right...."

[@AKlover]

Vectivus still trained an apparently successful apprentice to mastery. Interesting to reject the foundation of the philosophy but to still continue it.

[@goodputin4324]

He may not have the thirst for Jedi blood but he embraced the Sith Rule of 2 nonetheless and carried on the tradition.

[@ADORATION_OFFICIAL]

Is it safe to say that Vectivus was the most moral sith?

[@Vigriff]

Most definitely.

[@lelouchvibritannia4028]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Darth Revan also not evil? Revan just seemed very confused/misguided since he switched between being a Jedi and a Sith many times.

[@etel_unraed]

@@lelouchvibritannia4028 no, revan has never been evil, he has never fallen, and he was never confused, revan in his mandalorian and jedi civil war was a calculated act and came out of a conviction to face one thing that matters, the true sith empire. revan was a genius in the force and in practical skills who was always 4 steps ahead against his opponent until karpyshyn fucked his whole character in the ass

[@naseemweathers8358]

@@etel_unraed no he was a true dark Lord of the Sith Darth Bain even calls him that himself

[@Facade953]

Well...he didn't become such a successful businessman by being a boy scout!😏😅

[@Rezkeshdadesh]

So Darth Millennial rejects the teachings of Darth Baby Boomer.

[@wyatttyson7737]

okay boomer

[@jamescoogan1137]

Fucking Darth millennials ruining everything from the rule of two to avacardos

[@Facade953]

And later gave birth to...DARTH ZOOMER!!!🤣

[@sonofangron2969]

_"My knowledge is not for you! You are _*_not_*_ a Sith, _*_pretender_*_ - nor are your rabble! _*_This_*_ was my lesson: _*_two_*_ Sith should there be, no more - one _*_holding_*_ power, one _*_desiring_*_ it. You _*_defy_*_ my teaching!"_ _"Power is its _*_own_*_ purpose: to _*_share_*_ it is to _*_dilute_*_ it. You _*_delude_*_ yourself, _*_pretender_*_ - your Order will yet turn on itself, and you..."_ _"Weak-willed pretender - behold your destiny!"_ *~ Words of the holocron-image of Darth Bane to Darth Krayt*

[@lukeskywalkerthe2nd773]

Demonflesh spawn I love that quote

[@tobiaswalker7562]

Darth Krayt was a fool...he let arrogance blind him!

[@lukeskywalkerthe2nd773]

Tobias Walker I strongly agree

[@darthstatus5894]

Demonflesh spawn awesome quote

[@undead4500]

and Darth Wyyrlok turned on Darth Krayt, in my opinion, Darth Wyyrlok was more a True Sith than Krayt.

[@archades115]

I read the novel "Darth Plagueis", twas an awesome story. Darth Plagueis himself was beast. However, I find him the least interesting in regards to this list. That he sought to fulfill the Sith imperative and rule himself was the correct mentality. Darth Vectivus is the one the really struck me as an oddity and I would love to know more about him.

[@naseemweathers8358]

Read legacy of the force betrayal

[@kevinhansen8211]

I wonder what Vectivus' apprentice thought of his choices? Did the apprentice fear his master's power so much that he did not dare act against him, or did Vectivus not train his apprentice up to the Banenite system. It is also possible that the apprentice thought his master as useful, I'm sure the wealth and connections he gave the Sith Order were useful in continuing the plan. Once again, I would really have liked to seen a book dealing with each of the Sith Lord's that followed Bane and ended with Sidious.

[@captassassin5680]

Darth Millennial? Did he have an ironic mustache and passively hate on the Jedi while drinking PBR?

[@carsonkolarik9019]

CaptAssassin he has to like buzz feed and there 30 diffrent channels

[@mamija94]

Darth Vectivus didn't actually set back anyone... he may be didn't focus on conquering and killing the jedi and such... but he DID focus on the knowledge that would help the next generations of the Sith masters and apprentices in the rule of 2...

[@dragonpeep114]

Lol I just finished the Darth Bane book trilogy and you upload this on the same day. It is the will of the force!

[@jaidenkhemani5304]

It’s ironic...

[@sladey21]

The audio books are pretty good too.

[@oscarj9799]

What's the trilogy called?

[@MrKarnator]

Vectivus and Plaguise are two very interesting sith lords. Plaguise being my personal favorite.

[@Yes_Fantasy_419]

Plaguise was also business man who had so much money he was funding the creation of the Clone armies.

[@gabrielivan2538]

@@Yes_Fantasy_419 That doesn't Sound Right, in Star Wars the Clone Wars, it is Said Palpatine was paying for the Clone Army on Kamino at first, then when the Republic was informed about the Clone Army, it was Palpatine and the Republic Senate paying for the Clone Army to Kamino Scientists, Senators, and Prime Minister. Are you sure Plagueis helped paid for the Clone Army?

[@darthtenebrous965]

@@gabrielivan2538 Yes he’s right. Plagueis funded the creation of the clone army using Damask holdings. But Sifo-Dyas was the one who paid them directly using the funds. It’s all in the book Darth Plagueis if you want more information. Or on wookipedia.

[@robertagu5533]

So Darth Gravid was basically a Grey Sith. Someone like Darth Dectivus, could've been such a Sith that could've made at least peace with the Jedi and would've if he felt it suited him. Since he REFUSED a core tenet of any Sith as we traditionally know them one of the keys of which is hate for the Jedi on top of hate and anger in general. Dunno why Sideous only gets honorable mention, sorta, here. he violated parts of the rule of 2 too when it suited him. Especially that part anger bout more then one apprentice that could one day succeed him

[@Facade953]

The correct term which is used by SW: TOR video game is " Light Side Sith ".

[@wyzemann]

Ironically, all 4 exposed the inherent strength of the Rof2 without realizing it. No matter how each Sith Lord approached the Darkside, there was always another to challenge and or expand on his predecessor's strengths/weaknesses. If Lord Kaan's rule of the strongest had persisted, the Sith would have annihilated themselves into oblivion with not a chance for a qualified successor. However, with two, there's almost never a chance of this unless they both wipe each other out a la Darth Sidious & Darth Vader. One must never underestimate the treacherous machinations of the Darkside of the Force....not for a second.

[@peterchiappetta1241]

An addition, Darth Sideous rejected the Rule of 2 after he succeeded in destroying the Republic and the Jedi. After that, he still held onto Darth Vader until he felt that Vader could no longer do his bidding anymore.

[@justmutantjed]

8:32 - "For rebelliiiiiiing -- no. ... No. ... There we go!" OMG, I nearly fell out of my chair. Excellent outro, Star Wars Reading Club!

[@EwingAmaterasu]

Darth Vectivus was the wisest of sith. He just contemplated and acquired knowledge of the dark side without actually hurting anyone. Yet, it is true that his position was against the rule of two and the dark side in itself, for the dark side is not an object to be contemplated, but a power to be embraced. Galactic dominance and self dification was the end goal of the sith, so in this regard, Sidious was not only the most powerful sith in history, but the truest that ever lived.

[@mwg500]

Vectivus and Gravid didn't reject the Rule of Two, which states there should only be two true Sith lords at one time (Master and Apprentice). They may not have focused on the goals of the order, but IMO did not appear to violate that specific rule. Tenebrous, OTOH, did seem to reject the Rule of Two, having a back-up apprentice (Venamis), and plotting to live forever in some way like he manipulated Plagueis into also trying to find a way to do. The Plagueis novel does state several Sith had ignored the Rule of Two, but does not really mention them by name.

[@ZONE-fj8ly]

I strongly disagree on Darth Plagueis part, just like Darth Bane, they both reject the old order of the Sith that rely on subjugation and military power. He understands that true strength lies within their connection to the force and not in the flesh which is how he managed to push the Sith order forward in completing the Sith imperative.

[@naseemweathers8358]

No you’re wrong in the novel he says to his apprentice that they need to sabotage the dynamic that Darth Bane set in motion he did not want to be overthrown by his apprentice he wanted to rule as equals so he did reject the rule of two

[@ZONE-fj8ly]

@@naseemweathers8358 The myth of equality does contradicts the Sith's belief, but there is also where the Sith master and the apprentice are required to cooperate to complete the Sith imperative. In the lineage of Darth Bane, every Sith lord had improve the plan before them. The Sith are pragmatists by nature, the idea was to focus on the Sith imperative as according to the rule of two. And to do that they must collaborate without having to kill each other or at least until they wipe out the Jedi order which worked out for the best without violating the rule of two on some degree.

[@naseemweathers8358]

@@ZONE-fj8ly I know that but what I’m saying is that he absolutely completely rejected the rule of two he did not want to train a successor he wanted himself and his apprentice to rule as equals Star Wars reading club does a good explanation of this better than I can

[@ZONE-fj8ly]

@@naseemweathers8358 He hasn't exactly violated the rule of two entirely than attempted to change it the same way like the other Sith before them. It is a kinda of a loop-hole which was the same as Darth Bane with essence transfer, but it was for the best to ensure that the mantle of sith lord is not handed out by default if the master in question grow weaker by age.

[@naseemweathers8358]

@@ZONE-fj8ly Bane only sought out the knowledge of essence transfer so he could train another apprentice not to live forever the Sith Lords who came after him wanted to live forever they did not want to train an apprentice Who would kill them

[@gwyndolin1536]

Damn Millennials...

[@treystephens4490]

Alexander Bahn yep, throwing away books video audio tapes and compact discs.

[@MrT6250]

Alexander Bahn 😂

[@SirDankleberry]

Ok boomer

[@justjestin9749]

I’m not sure I agree with labeling Vectivus as someone who rebelled against the rule of two. But rather knowing that the position and mantle of conqueror wasn’t his. Didn’t he leave his business model on his holocron? Allowing the future Sith after him to use it to fulfill the grand plan?

[@doomblackdragon]

You are missing the final Sith Lord who rejected Darth Bane Rule of Two.Palpatine after created the empire. Did the same thing as Plagueis and was focused on becoming immortal and refused to teach vader the ways of the dark side. This is why when he was killing Luke at the end. Vader was able to redeem him self by slaying Palpatine. One of the rules in the Rule of two said Sith Lords could not seak out immortality and had to train an apprentices. Had Palpatine keep to the rule. Vader would not have struck him down on the second Death Star.

[@JediAcolyte94]

I would pay a lot of money for a novel(s) like Plaguies or the Darth Bane trilogy for Gravid, Gean, Millennial, Ruin, and Rivan. Just have James Luceno, Matthew Stover, Drew Karpyshyn, or Paul S. Kemp author it. All you would have to call it is Star Wars Lineage.

[@JanPeverell]

I would have loved a book on Rivan. A little known character, but extremly interesting. I especially like this quote since there is so much truth to it: _"Darkness is a friend, an ally. Darkness allows us to understand others, to see what they value when they believe no one else is looking. It allows us to be honest with ourselves, to express those values that we would disavow in the light. The light blinds us. It is only in the dark that we see clearly, and there is a great dark hidden among these worlds."_

[@13thmistral]

that or a tv series about those...with them being the screen writers and then a competent director who understands the EU source material. Seriously, there have not been enough sith lightsaber duels on screen. same for original well thought out star wars lore based on the EU. ps: really...still wondering why they do not fast forward choreographed lightsaber duels till an impossible high pace, comparable with the pace of the clone wars lightsaber duel of darth maul vs darth sidious.... now that was an epic pace, more closer to how lightsaber fights between top tier force users are described in the books. Heck, Darth Plagueis fought Darth Venamis and the book describes their pace as being so fast that from the distance they would have been looking like lightning bolts if i remember correctly, while mace windu is described as holding several light sabers at once, to many to count. Though i think that would be to fast to be enjoyable...really, just speed forward any of the lightsaber duels of the movies by 1.5 or 2....it still looks like there was effort in it, yet it is way more action packed and epic.

[@gabrielivan2538]

That was the Sith Lord Darth Bane's Greatest mistake, Darth Bame thought reducing Sith Lords to only 2 Memebers, and having few Sith Inquistors would make them powerful, but He WAS WRONG, that didn't make the Sith Order Stronger, it only made them weaker, well it came to Star Wars Force Awakens to Star Wars Last Jedi they did technically bended the rule, there were 3 Sith Lords total, Darth Sidious Palpatine, his Hideous Clone Snoke, and Kylo Ren. They think as well reducing the Sith would also prevent Anyone from Usurping, but they're Wrong, Sidious usurped Plagueis got him Killed, Maul tried to usurp Sidious with his Sith Lord Brother Savage, Vader tried to usurp Sidious, Kylo Ren try to usurp Snoke and Sidious, well what they mostly had were more Sith Inquistors as seen in Star Wars Obi wan, Star Wars canon Comics, and Star Wars Rebels. Darth Bane was just a Coward 😱, too Fearful of any one of the acolytes to get much power to usurp him, get a hardly ethical Mutant army, and get Darth Bane Killed which he did get Killed. 💀. Darth Revan and every Sith in Star Wars KOTOR and in Star Wars The Old Republic would NEVER DO that Stupid Rule. It's just as Stupid as No Emotions except Joy, Calmness, and Serenity , no knowledge except Holocron Knowledge, and the Jedi also aren't supposed to Romantically Dating Couples. And that's another thing

[@paulboggess1330]

No one here considers Disneys bad fan fic as canon, and you were wrong every step after that as well. The sith grew stronger under banes rule in both the real canon and Disney canon. All that time writing that long inaccurate comment, wasted because you couldn't have been any more wrong

[@LordVader066]

You forgot Darth Krayt, who embraced the Rule of ONE

[@c.k-da-kxnghere]

Krayt wasn't apart of banes line. He was trained by a sith lord that predates bane and his original goal was to destroy banes linage of sith. So he wasn't rebelling against any rules that were set for him.

[@brokenbridge6316]

It's nice to know that not all Sith Lords strictly adhered to Bane's Rule of Two. I was convinced that they all had. Now, I know better.

[@aurangazebhaque5408]

Look upto Darth Krayt

[@papaofthejohns5882]

Make a video explaining what happened to Darth Milleniel's Tribe please.

[@romeojavier7997]

Al Stewart they're all killed by Darth Generation X.

[@jakealter5504]

Papa Of The Johns they were destroyed by sidious

[@thothofthemorningrisesWthesun]

Gravid had a cool idea if sith could just learn to tolerate each other they would easily defeat the Jedi

[@gigatronusprime]

@Darth Revan But he destroyed all that knowledge....

[@shaijordan8407]

Sidious also rejected it. He took Maul as an apprentice, while he himself was also still an apprentice

[@persontheguyman223]

Count dooku should be too he took Asaj as his apprentice so he can defeat Sidious which really didnt work

[@logiatheories2576]

Didn't Darth Tenebrous have two apprentices at the same time? Darth Plagueis and Darth Venamis

[@ZONE-fj8ly]

The thing is, a dark lord and their apprentice have a special connection through the force. Unlike Plagueis, Venamis was oblivious to his master's death and could not sense him when he died which proves that he was never meant to be his apprentice than as a host body. It is not too uncommon through the generations of the rule of two because Darth Bane had done the same thing to ensure that the mantel of dark lord would not pass down to the successor by default if the master was crippled by old age.

[@riverplasmahero2508]

Awesome video as always!!! This is really interesting! It was especially interesting to find out about Darth Vectivus, because i didn't know if his story actually happened or if Lumiya had just made the story up in an attempt to trick Jacen Solo into joining the dark side. I guess that makes Vectivus the Sith equivalent of a grey Jedi in a way. Could you do a video comparing the rule of two to the rule of one? Can't wait to see what you do next! Thanks man!!! :D

[@notpulverman9660]

I thought basically ALL Sith Lords didn't want to die, and attempted to reject death/kill their apprentices!

[@Brutalyte616]

The thought process was that, if the apprentice could overcome their master while they were fighting for their lives, then they had ultimately proved themselves the superior Sith. If they failed, they could try again and again until the succeeded, and if they died, then the master would merely seek out a more capable apprentice.

[@Brutalyte616]

It's usually a begrudging acceptance of their own limitations. Bane was a warrior at heart, and while he was extremely powerful, he was not a fool. He knew it was likely that he could not best the Jedi and the Republic in his lifetime, however long that may be. So, he took on an apprentice as a precaution and taught her everything he could, knowing full well that one day his student would almost certainly surpass and kill him, but also knowing that she would be ready to carry on in his stead and perpetuate the Sith's eternal grudge until, one day, his vision would be realized and there would only need to be one Sith in existence.

[@redjirachi1]

The irony is that an organization based on self-aggrandization worked for something greater than itself

[@Kevin-jb2pv]

Oh, God. Darth Millennial, the first Sith to master the dark art of avocado toast.

[@derpynerdy6294]

0:45 number 10 thrawn

[@edwardnygma8338]

That outro 😂😂

[@jSlazer1988]

I shot tea out of nose because of it.

[@jacobplourde2388]

Darth Vectivus comes before Darth Gravid in the lineage therefore he went against the rule of two before Gravid.

[@jgr7487]

is there enough material to make a Darth Sidious Canon v Legends comparison?

[@redjirachi1]

And somehow Luke became even more OP. Can you imagine how OP Anakin would be if he mastered his power and didn't get dismembered/immolated?

[@jx592]

Darth Bane- Assaults the Jedi with a few hundred siths

[@thunderballzz]

Darth Millenial loved avocado toast while wearing glasses without prescription

[@matiasluukkanen7718]

Darth Bane rejected Darth Bane's Rule of Two

[@tariffictypist7372]

While they didn't out right reject the rule of two they disobeyed the rule. This was Darth Tenebrous who took on a secret apprentice in Darth Venomous, while he had Darth Plageus as his apprentice. When Tenebrous died/become a lump of Maxichlorians, Plagues found out about Venomous and they dueled and Plagues won and killed him. Vader himself took Galen Marek as his secret apprentice this violating the rules, same with Maul but at the time he wasn't a sith Lord at the time, that time expired

[@gianlucaborg195]

LOVED the ending, a million times over

[@gabrielivan2538]

And the Sith Lord Ruler don't need a succerssor as long they get the power of Immortality like Darth Plagueis did, and the Champion male they considered to be a Son, a Cousin, or Brother from another Mother, they can use Pure power of Sith Alchemy Fountain similar to Harry Potter Mystic Fountain of Historical memory, anyway they used this fountain in Star Wars the Clone Wars, Darth Sidious and Darth Tyranus seen Visions in that fountain to view future Visions, the Grandmaster Main Sith Lord Ruler that Controls the Entire Universe and with Brother or Sister from another Mother can see which one of the Acolytes will betray them and which ones that won't betray them, but want to rule Certain Areas, The Main Sith Lord Ruler with the other Sith can rule the Galaxy together in Governing Different Factions, or divide their rules in each Different Galaxies, The Main Sith Lord Ruler can rule with his brother from another Mother, or her Sister from Another Mother, either that or Grandmaster Lady Sith Lord Ruler can have her Boy Elite Acolyte Apprentices Champions fight each other to the Death only one of them gets to be her Husband rule beside her, or For Male, That Grandmaster Sir Sith Lord Ruler can rule with his Girl Apprentice, have the Girl Apprentices Champions Challenge each other to the Death, and become his Lover, go dating, and Rule the Galaxy with a Family, and even if that Fountain of Future Visions doesn't exactly Tell what will happen they can also use an Inhibitor Chip, or do a Mind control to give them the Offer how they Control the Universe, either Permeantly Enslaved them, or kill them

[@jarrettfuhs3021]

Why do you sound so much like the redgaurd from the dark brotherhood in skyrim🤣🤣but I love your vids

[@PanEdzio]

Darth Millenial, Gravid i Vectiwus to moi ulubieni sithowie

[@saymynameice-zen-berg511]

There were other Sith Lords who didn’t strictly follow the rule of 2. They had other apprentices that they keep secret from one another seemly keeping up pretences that it was strictly a rule of 2. I do believe Plagiueis’ own master was such. For after Plagueis dispatched his master, the other apprentice later revealed himself and tried to kill plagueis and become the new Sith master. But Plagueis bested him.

[@RedMegamanX1]

Does the story of the rule of two teach us that the sith is meant to fail by concept? I mean, the powers of the dark side become stronger as one's emotion takes over. However, more emotion means less reason and lead to less controlable sithlords, that means, the more powerful a sith gets, the more flawled he/she becomes and less complex strategies can be followed.

[@ogulcankrmzaltn4531]

What if Anakin use his platform to HİGHGROUND or jump more higher

[@notpulverman9660]

Oğulcan Kırmızıaltın then Anakin chops the emperor in half about 5 or 6 years later, and takes on his own official sith apprentice?!

[@ogulcankrmzaltn4531]

No he force choke it because he has lack of faith on emperor

[@ZONE-fj8ly]

How about a ladder?

[@yseson_]

Darth Tenebrous also rejected the rule of two as he had two apprentices in Plaguious and Darth Venomous. and the rule was out the window in Sidious time as at least five Sith were running around doing his bidding weather directly or indirectly.

[@ZONE-fj8ly]

Not entirely true, Tenebrous protected the rule of two the same way Darth Bane had safe guarded it. Venamis might have been trained but he could not sense the death of his master unlike Plagueis which is why he was never a true apprentice but a host body for Tenebrous to transfer his essence to when old age cripples him.

[@darthblacc4421]

Darth minllenial should have a triangle around his forehead eye and a longer beard that would look really cool

[@viperblitz11]

So a millennial challenged tradition? What else is new?

[@ZONE-fj8ly]

You had it backwards, he wanted to go back to the old tradition of the order when the Sith would tear itself apart all when lesser servants would unite their strength to overthrow the strong and replace with an inferior successor in his place and the whole thing starts all over again.

[@PJOZeus]

It's funny that the sole concept that allowed the sith to survive milenia was a somewhat noble concept, honour - the later sith, namely the milenia before bane, were destroyed by being ruled by greed rather than power.

[@camdenfoster1371]

I really like these videos. The only thing that could make them better was if the narrator was a little bit less monotonous and seemed more into the subject. I understand this is something you are super enthusiastic about, but it would make the videos much more entertaining. Not complaining, just suggesting. Keep up the entertaining and informative videos!

[@SeabrookSchoolLife]

Loved the end card :P

[@ecojosh1]

Darth Gravid was sort of right. The Sith would've conquered the galaxy thousands of years earlier if they toned down the evil a tiny bit.

[@Sunsetaren]

You got the chronological order wrong! 1st Darth Millenial, 2nd Darth Vectivus, 3rd Darth Gravid & finally Darth Plaguesis. Not that it matters for you left out 3 Sith Lords of Bane's Legacy = Darth Desire, Darth Toutorix & Darth Tenebrous! Darth Desire broke the rule of two by declaring her son, Darth Edge her second Apprentice when she was already teaching Darth Nail! This decision to take on 2 Apprentices simultaneously was what led to the War of Thorn that nearly destroyed the Sith Order as a whole! Darth Toudorix broke the rule when he killed his master, Darth Gale in the traditional duel of the Sith but cheated. How? He had help from not just 1 secret Apprentice but 6 & they jumped piled Darth Gale all at once. Darth Toudorix then founded the Assembly of Horror (In North America) or La Confraternité de Terreur (In Europe) which was basically a dark side cult that conducted terrorism across the Galaxy. He also made the Sith Order's ranks fill up exclusively with Humans let alone at all! Darth Tenebrous broke it by simply training another Apprentice named Darth Venomous to fight his 1st Apprentice, Darth Plaguesis! Had Darth Venomous succeeded, he would have founded the 5th House of Bane.

[@brokeneyes6615]

I put forth sidious also failed to follow the rule in that he failed to take apprentices that could defeat him (Maul, Dooku and post suit Vader).

[@jakealter5504]

Broken Eyes except Vader eventually did turn on and defeat palpatine

[@brokeneyes6615]

Jake Alter doesn't count, Vader wasn't able to walk away from it (i.e. He died soon after). The rule of two obviously has the unspoken understanding that the apprentice be strong enough that he will survive the conflict and Palpatine took steps to make sure Vader couldn't (as far as legends is concerned).

[@jakealter5504]

Broken Eyes true

[@undead4500]

Sidious did not fail rule of two All of his three Sith apprentices (Darth Maul, Darth Tyranus, and Darth Vader) failed to overthrow him. Sith Apprentice is the one must overthrow his master if he is unable to then he gets replaced by another Sith apprentice. All of his Apprentices plotted and schemed against Sidious to the extent by even breaking the rule of two by taking their own Sith apprentices (Ventress, Savage Opress, Starkiller, even Luke Skywalker) and they all failed miserably to do their job.

[@arega1s830]

I hope this doesn't sound like too stupid a question but what exactly drove Darth Gravid to madness? What was it about his acceptance and attempted incorporation of the Light Side into the Sith doctrine that led to his fall?

[@TytheBandit]

Excellent topic

[@Yes_Fantasy_419]

Darth Sidious: I destroyed the Jedi Order and the Galactic Republic! With the help of the Jedi's most promised Chosen One!!! Darth Vectivus: So? I defeated the Jedi single handedly! Darth Sidious: Really? HOW! Darth Vectivus: I bought them! Their Temple was now my property! I told them to get the fuck out! Or I would shut off their cable! Their electricity! Their plumbing! And their heating and air conditioning! Of course the beautiful female Jedi could stay in my temple if they wanted to.... Darth Sidious: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

[@khantzayar4480]

Darth Vectivus: *S T O N K S*

[@AnikinSolo19]

NO,NO,NO, There we go! HAHAHA I Love it

[@khaos5085]

Darth Bane was against his own rule of two. It's Ironic he bashed his own teachings.

[@LordWyatt]

You ever hear the Tragedy of Darth Tragedous the wise? No.

[@scottmcmichael319]

Darth millennial, Darth vectivus, Darth Gravid, Darth tennebrous, Darth Plagueis, Darth sidious, Darth venemous, Darth Vader all rejected the rule of 2

[@kaleeshmatriarch455]

Excellent video!! I enjoy learning about lore of the Sith since it's soo MYSTERIOUS. 🔎🔮🌌?

[@frankludwig4268]

Interesting video. I learned something new

[@Young_BZ]

Darth Millenial was a Millenial xD

[@JohnSapato]

😂

[@NextGenerationUmmah]

So surprise surprise Darth millennial broke sith tradition

[@SirDankleberry]

Actually he wanted to bring back Sith tradition it was Bane that broke tradition.

[@Khaliljt]

Where’s Darth Krayt?

[@raghuvarv]

What happened to your Old Republic series of videos?

[@MrKarnator]

Vectivus and Plaguise are very interesting sith.

[@tukalors7577]

The rule of two is a self rule that lets one always in control and to have no competition. In short it was greed.

[@spiderpig1716]

just love the ending

[@brewcrew6999]

Where can I find reading material for darth zana and darth cogness

[@garlandmorgan5391]

you forgot Darth Tenebrous

[@BigRedDiscGolf]

there we go indeed

[@khantzayar4480]

Darth Vectivus Is A Worthy Master For You If You Want To Become A Sith

[@gabrieldeoliveira8304]

Why not have multiple apprentices instead of just one?

[@ryansanico6539]

What do Jedi, Jedi Knight do with sith lightsabers what happen to those Sith light sabers?

[@TheVortex794]

If the 'Rule of Two' philosophy was for one master and one apprentice at any given time, how come Darth Vader trained Starkiller whilst serving his own master, Darth Sidious? I don't know if Darth Vader had any disagreements with the philosophy but I would assume this would have caused a few issued with the 'Rule of Two' philosophy, especially as Darth Sidious was the Master, Vader was the Apprentice and Vader was training Starkiller. I am referencing The Force Awakens games so I apologize if I have anything wrong or if I got anything mixed up.

[@JanPeverell]

Vader himself was too weak to kill Sidious and assume the mantle of Sith Master. He therefore wanted an apprentice to help him achieve that goal. His first option was Starkiller, then later Luke came along. The very reason that Vader tried to keep Starkiller secret and hidden from Sidious was because Sidious would not allow Starkiller to live, as he both posed a threat to his rule and was trained against the Rule of Two.

[@Huron2010A]

But shouldn't both Master & Apprentice keep a list of lest just say, prospects available at all times? If the Master needs to replace the apprentice, like, say, have a father fight his son over Endor for the Apprentice spot. Or if the Apprentice feels it's time for a promotion, and might need a hand; or at a minimum a name to look up on day one.

[@JanPeverell]

I do think that it is practical to have some candidates - Darth Tenebrous kept his eyes open on prospects, but Plagueis killed them and found and picked his own apprentice in Palpatine. But the thing is that the apprentice only proves himself unworthy of Sith mastery if he needs another's help (like in the case of Vader).

[@treblazer]

ive been thinking that Snoke was Plagueis but now im starting to think that there could possibly be someone even more powerful that we have yet to know about. just like how the emperor was introduced in the empire strikes back maybe one of the rule of 2 sith is controlling Snoke? idk just a theory... AH STAR WARS THEORY!!!!!!! lol but fr tho

[@jakub3035]

What about Palpatine? He killed Plagueis in sleep, instead of defeating him in fair combat.

[@jakealter5504]

Jakub that doesn't really violate the rule of two like others did

[@undead4500]

does not violate the rule of two or the way of the Sith. Sith Are not Mandalorians they will kill their own masters in every way possible to take The Sith Master Mantle and it Duty of a Master to not show any Weaknesses for their apprentices to exploit to ensure there rule continues.

[@jakealter5504]

undead4500 it doesn't violate the rule but that is more in line with how Darth Bane wanted the transition from apprentice to master to go (through a direct confrontation)

[@undead4500]

that not true and if you bothered to Read Darth Plagueis Novel a Direct confrontation between Sith Master and Apprentice is Suicide for both Sith Lords as unleashing their full power both Sith master and apprentice would expose themselves to the Jedi in the Force This happens to Both Plagueis and Sidious when they unleashed their full power on the assassins and realized the Jedi would have sensed them and both of them fled the scene after they killed all the assassins.

[@jakealter5504]

undead4500 I know, I was just saying that it was more in line with how Bane wanted it to be, for the apprentice to face their master and try to take the title of master by force so that each successive dark lord would be more powerful than their predecessors

[@thedoorman9658]

Who is your favourite sith??

[@lukeskywalkerthe2nd773]

LJD Films Revan

[@notpulverman9660]

LJD Films mine was Maul Turned his back on the sith, rejecting his position as mere assassin, and showing incredible character development! Ventress was cool, and so was Dooku!

[@gwyndolin1536]

Darth Malgus

[@KitchenSinkSoup]

Darth Bane.

[@blacktempluh3360]

Not Pulverman Ventress nor Count Dooku are "real sith", though I really like Dooku. I reccomend watching videos about why Dooku didn't have yellow eyes. I think reading club did one.

[@Galahad993]

Next cover if there are any religions or cults in star wars

[@emperorpalpatine3161]

hc 20 Jedi and Sith are like cults, as they indoctrinate and raise people to believe a certain view, and they could be seen as "religions" that venerate the Force. Unlike gods in the real world, thought, the force can be seen and observed, and proven to exist, as well as manipulated, so I'm not sure if it counts as a religion. The force is a sentient thing of sorts, though. I don't really know. I'm just an idiot who likes to answer questions. TL;DR, Yes and no

[@manoflego123]

Good video.

[@batspeling7909]

Just read the Bane trilogy, what do you suggest to read next?

[@ashmatrix7088]

the rule of two was a ruse to keep the jedi complacent and the sith from infighting

[@LobsterUpgraded]

Kind of a stretch there with Darth Plagueis he really didn't rebell against the rule to Sidious rebelled against the rule of two when he trained Darth Maul Plagueis was going to rule with Sidious by his side that was his whole plan

[@calebhall3425]

swrc (star wars reading club) i hope you don't mind me asking this but where r u from ☺

[@ericsilva4472]

great ending. Vader is the ultimate rebel

[@WadcaWymiaru]

Respect for Dark Vectivus. The only successfull sith...

[@jonnydreaden7228]

Of course a mellinial would disobey a rule

[@teteefpieproductions2381]

*did you ever hear the tragedy of darth plagueis the wise?*

[@Dualme]

TTFP PRODUCTIONS Yes, several times actually

[@lordofpain3476]

If Darth Vectivous never took a apprentice , who took the mantle of Dark Lord after his death and how did they do it without a master ?

[@CzornyLisek]

I mean after Bane nobody rly fulfilled rule of two. As in have only single apprentice and teach them everything so they become more powerful that you-master. Also because of not rly having continuity. They probably simply risen to get more or less self titled sith and Darth. So lord Kaan and siths before him, way of doing things. Rule of strongest there is at given time.(the guy that was before Bane and a guy which ideas Bane hated) After Vectivius there was Gravid. Gravid was Sith that as he went older wanted to make them nice guys and started destroying all Sith knowledge. And I think it's only sith Lord that got properly corrupted(he lost sanity) by light side of force instead of dark side.(with which he was perfectly fine)

[@Ridley882]

He did, but his apprentice didn’t kill him.

[@sleepyjo9340]

Let's be honest, without the jedi, we would get a shitty reboot by jj binks.

[@younggrasshopper3531]

I wonder about the Old Republic Era of Sith, from the games. They were many. Had they known about the rule of two and rejected it in favor of numbers, like Millenial? I just listened to the first Bane book, Khan was sort of a control-freak and a pansy with a weak-ass “equality” narrative to his followers 😒 but Darth Revan and Malak were strong enough to command armies of Dark Jedi, while having their own apprentices. Why wouldn’t their model work? Edit: Darth P doesn’t have a nose 🤧

[@gregmatic2861]

The emperor rejected it too. He called his reign the rule of one because it was him vader and the sith who hunted jedi.

[@timthebear8005]

Greg Matic just him he wanted vader to die