4 Things: Seckless marriage, TradCon men vs Conservative women, Boundaries with MIL, PeePeeBro tale

[@beepbopboop7727]

Notice how he called it “the boyfriend experience” not “the husband experience”? Confirming everyday how marriage is often a step down in treatment for women, not a step up.

[@aprilfox9205]

I noticed that too, it's not comforting in the least. 99% of the time it also won't last.

[@sau2949]

I think the boyfriend or girlfriend experience is important in a marriage reminds you of the first moments you were falling in love

[@TinkOutLoud]

When he first said it, I thought it meant he did the bare minimum. Bc the husband experience should be better than a boyfriend. lol

[@silververnallbells191]

the "girlfriend experience" is also a prostitute term. You pay for a fake experience. His choice of words was gross.

[@MayDay-yn3bw]

Oh but it's sold as a step up

[@diannwhitaker6]

My ex husband used to volunteer me to cook breakfast for men ministry without asking me. I told him not to volunteer me for anything without asking me first. He said OK but he still did it 2 more times. I cooked the breakfast but I was angry. When we got home, I told him that if he EVER volunteer me anything again, I will embarrass the hell out of him. He never did it again.

[@Lysistrata2025]

Yes, embarrass them more. This is a major boundary issue. People volunteering your labour and company without consent is them kind of seeing themselves as the owner of your efforts and at worst even of your body.

[@LilithsCosmicLounge]

Good for standing your ground!! Always enforce your boundaries ladies even in a relationship or marriage❤

[@shaypope4732]

Girl ur better than me cause last time my husband volunteer me for his work and school potlucks he was embarrassed lmao oh well

[@shaypope4732]

@@Lysistrata2025 I automatically become deaf when ppl want access to my labor for free I had to learn this at my big ole age of 27

[@sciencerules4739]

​@@shaypope4732what did you do?

[@Drageisha]

These men STAY shooting themselves in both feet & are flabbergasted when they fall over.

[@Lysistrata2025]

This! Also them: poking out their eyes and claiming they were blindsided.

[@shaypope4732]

@@Lysistrata2025 don't understand how they don't understand actions have consequences

[@beepbopboop7727]

😂😂

[@unicorn73212]

She needs to look at what she did wrong here too she should of just stayed silent, saved her money, and left make him think your staying at a certain hotel but don't tell them the actual hotel your staying in, get yourself on a waiting list for your own one bedroom apartment and then once your finally settled into your own private place there's absolutely nothing they can do to stop you from achieving financial freedom and independence but continue setting goals for yourself, stay focused on your career and don't tell your ex we're your staying once you get there and move on like the relationship never happened. This comment will make them vengeful but it's the truth that many men don't want to hear there not that important.

[@seabreeze4559]

Royal We posted that narcissists think intimacy is the reward FOR THE WOMAN. So they're effing around and finding out!

[@kylaarmstrong-benjamin8066]

My grandma inlaw came over for a visit when my first was about 2 months old. I was exclusively breastfeeding and she's fine with me feeding in front of her. Kept me company while I was laying in the bed with him and I totally passed out 😂 She cleaned my kitchen AND made dinner while I slept!!!

[@FireSilver25]

THAT’S how it’s done!

[@ladosis5596]

Exactly! If you go visit somebody postpartum or sick you go to HELP THEM FEEL BETTER!

[@kylaarmstrong-benjamin8066]

@@ladosis5596 I woke up to smelling delicious food and I was so grateful I was crying 😭 I was a hormonal mess at the time so I cried a LOT! But these were happy and thankful tears!!

[@UnexpectedSpanishInquisition]

Big Granny Energy❤

[@shaypope4732]

Being a self sufficient women really pisses men off and I don't get it

[@TheePrincessBrat]

Shows them how useless they are

[@shaypope4732]

@@TheePrincessBrat so true they not worth the energy for the headache

[@Liz-wz8dh]

Their interpretation of love is by how much you need them.

[@briskettacos]

It pisses off the lower men. Competent men aren't threatened

[@hardcandy71287]

@@Liz-wz8dhyep. desperation/necessity for survival equals "love" to them. they don't want to be CHOSEN because we like their company. they want to be the default selection regardless of how they treat us. they don't like the fact that having a man is simply an option and not a necessity for our survival anymore.

[@passionliving]

I don't recall the terminology, but men have a strategy of reducing their efforts bit by bit until all that is left is their entitled demands. The reality is not only is that strategy morally bankrupt but it ensures that there is absolutely NOTHING left the salvage and it's much easier to completely call it quits.

[@michelledavidson1781]

Yes. It's called a covert narcissist. Lived that lie for 25 years.

[@jdmmg4904]

Weaponized incompetence

[@shantavanee]

A form of “Bread-crumbing.”

[@shaypope4732]

It's bread crumbs I think

[@Jujubean9795]

When they start withdrawing and bread-crumbing, the receiving partner needs to match that energy and walk away. If they chase and pursue that partner, they will get discarded. Leaving them even more devastated. Meanwhile the bread-crumbing/withdrawing partner is already onto the next relationship. It’s a very toxic relationship pattern that needs to recognized and navigated carefully to protect one’s assets and one’s heart🥺

[@mansanayanaranjado]

Ooh I hate when people don't let me nap.

[@zadarasimoleons1019]

My 80-something GMIL thinks everyone is lazy for resting when they're tired. She says that she gets up at 6am and doesn't rest until 9pm. And she's a cranky, nasty, rude-ass bitch all the time. I wonder why?

[@lucindabreeding]

The Passport Bros. phenomenon always makes me think of a conversation I have with a friend. She practices family medicine, and she was telling us about how surprised she was when a 35-year-old Nigerian patient had died. She apparently had a heart attack or stroke . And the Nigerian woman's husband was also a patient . My friend said that the man's first visit to her clinic after his wife's death was really sad. But she was really shocked when she shared. How kind and thoughtful the deceased patient had been every time she had treated her. She said that the widower looked at her and said "She was very kind. She never said no." I can't imagine a husband grieving the loss of sex after his wife has died. Of course it's part of the marriage relationship, and any rational person would mourn losing love and closeness to their partner. Partner. But for a man to basically say he missed his wife because she never rejected him sexually? It made us both really shocked and saddened.

[@shaypope4732]

He only saw her as a warm dumpster for his seeds

[@pigeoness22]

This is what she was to him, a body.

[@seabreeze4559]

no emotional intimacy, no empathy

[@RatetheDebate]

Maybe I am missing something, but never saying no isn’t automatically just about sex. People pleasers often have a hard time saying no to all sorts of things, especially a request for help. I think that is what he was referring to.

[@lucindabreeding]

@@RatetheDebate The way he said it communicated it, my friend said.

[@DeMarkeba]

Weaponized moodiness.

[@shaypope4732]

Whatever it is he's acting like God by judging everyone else but himself

[@catsncrows]

It's awful, it's training everyone to walk on eggshells. It's just a more subtle kind of violence

[@jaetarminks1496]

How so? Yall love to excuse the bs yall pull and think people are supposed to just follow suit. You all love submission, but don't know how to respect/appreciate your other half. Most of you have high expectations that you yourselves can't even keep up with.

[@fantym1633]

"...You all love submission but don't know how to respect /appreciate ..." No, submission is how a dog responds, not a fellow, equal human being. You are *not* entitled to s. Lave-like devotion. Is it that women don't know how or that we aren't obliged to show such behaviour, especially when we are paying a *large* percentage (if not 100%) of the household expenses ? Why should a woman submit to someone who hasn't yet mastered ADL (activities of daily living), & therefore who is functionally a young child, including the emotional dysregulation? Ewww on that mental image. You do know you're perfectly free to not associate with women, right?

[@fantym1633]

If you want submission, there are plenty of puppers in need of a good home. Why should women appreciate an able bodied adult, someone we are @ the least partially supporting financially, who also isn't performing an equal amount of the required domestic labor?

[@LoveIs...-cg8gr]

I thought the same: I married boyfriend, why is husband different? 4B is the way to be because so much investment was a waste of time, money, years

[@shaypope4732]

Not worth the energy save it for urself

[@crystalsagesynergy]

The PP broa are letting the world know why we in America are not dealing with them. Thank you so much fellas!

[@overtremendouslyblah]

The fact that the one commenter called it the "boyfriend experience" 🙄 He should have been treating his wife like that all along. Why do men think you only need to try until you "get her?"

[@shaypope4732]

Cause they got u so they don't think they have to work to keep u since ur now there's

[@hippie1252]

This is kind of why I don't want to get married. I never want to be caught. I want him to know that I can always leave. Or if I do marry, let him know that divorce is ALWAYS an option.

[@seabreeze4559]

locking her down implies she cannot escape, like prey

[@seabreeze4559]

@@shaypope4732 that's why you put romance requirements in the prenup, they freak when they hear this

[@shaypope4732]

@@hippie1252 I get it I wish I would've listened and not do that crap

[@lizzybennett2590]

The featured "trad" women named Chen is literally giving off Serena Joy Waterford vibes, she's fine and dandy with "trad" men attacking liberal feminists, but is all affronted when they re-direct that ire for her. Hypocrisy at its finest. Trad gender roles apply to thee, liberal women, but NOT for me, cause I'm so traditional.

[@seabreeze4559]

she's triangulating us but I'm probably more trad than her, I just don't wanna force it on the rest of you - it's basic respect

[@dnw75]

1st story: He acts out & is tantrum bound because he puts nookie first. He doesn't realize that if he treats his wife right, he can get the nookie. But, that's too much like right. She needs to leave because nookie is all that's on his pea sized brain, & not maintaining their relationship overall. And he'll probably be cheating soon if he isn't already.

[@TheePrincessBrat]

Im shocked no one mentioned that her husband sounded emotionally abusive. I also hate the thought of kids walking on eggshells in their own home. I experienced that and I just stayed in my room as much as possible and couldn’t wait to “grow up” so I could move out. I think she just needs to have a straight forward conversation with him. Tell him you want to fall in love again and be vulnerable with each other. If he doesn’t want to start from scratch, then it’s time to divorce. Don’t torture yourself and your kids over a man who wants to drag his family down with him.

[@NobodyImporttant]

I also grew up with a father who I had to walk on eggshells with. It took me until I was around 21 to realize that is was not healthy and was weirded out when I spent time with families who had healthy relationships That husband wants to take from her and be prioritized while also not reciprocating care and love. Something drastic may have to happen to make him want to put in effort in a relationship that he feels like he isn’t getting anything out of

[@shaypope4732]

She shouldn't say anything to him just level up and watch him get more pissed ppl like him just have to antagonist their family to feel superior in life so they can feel like God cause they are powerless everywhere else

[@islandgirl8067]

My mother was like this too. I had to worry about her blowing up over small things.

[@EmyN]

I thought about the kids too, they are observing and absorbing everythinggggg

[@Cynophileandavianenthusiast]

"Walking on eggshells" followed me to school and beyond. I really hate people who delight in doing it.

[@missinterpretation4984]

100% these professional trad women are living feminism.

[@shaypope4732]

Yup lol

[@briolivia]

😂 seriously they do THE MOST labor

[@seabreeze4559]

what you could do is report them for reusing content from tiktok so they lose ad revenue. They can't complain.

[@seabreeze4559]

@@briolivia I love how they disappear after each kid more and more, realising it's impossible to film and childmind small kids under 5.

[@DianaPrinceitiswhatitis]

Right and need to stop lying about that not being the case.

[@beepbopboop7727]

Who knew the Hobosexual and PassortBro movement would collide?

[@seabreeze4559]

Dollar Tree Patriarchy

[@Lokian_Mermaid]

​@@seabreeze4559 😂😂😂😂😂

[@readyornot27]

They always did, in a way. 😂

[@laurah2831]

Melanie talks about this - guys hooking up with women while they’re travelling to get a free place to stay. It’s not classic passport bro

[@Janary08]

Strange how they look for "traditional" women while being a hobosexual

[@DaughterofDiogenes]

Letter number 1. That’s what my husband did when I stopped having sex with him because he was abusive. He got so angry and withdrew completely, then started paying for onlyfans. I put his ass out and I am done with him forever. There is no mutual respect. He doesn’t view you as equal and he never will. If he changes at all it will be fake just to get you back. Don’t believe it!!

[@seabreeze4559]

hg tudor talks about their hoovering from a narc perspective, they will say ANYTHING

[@corimoon3360]

It’s like they don’t understand that abusing your gf/wife makes her not want to sleep with you lol.

[@ogolden8315]

@@corimoon3360That’s bcos in past generations, martial gRape was allowed, so the men never really had to care if the wife wanted sex or not or cared if she enjoyed sex or not. It’s still engrained the male DNA psyche.

[@veronagrant7637]

And then the same men who go on Onlfàns complain online how they're lonely and are missing "s3x" in their life. Meanwhile all they have to do is just be present I the moment for their girlfriends/ wives. Not to mention the money they spend on that site can be easily spent on therapy. But no, for men it's just easier to just complain, shift the blame on their partners and act like it's everyone else's fault for their miserable existence. Men are truly disgusting 🤢

[@ThimbleFox350]

Idk why men don’t understand that women’s desire is based off of how she is treated. If you don’t treat her like a queen then she isn’t going to desire you. It really is that simple and yet so many men fail to grasp such a simple concept.

[@shaypope4732]

1:47 he is treating her like an after thought but wants to be put 1st? plus he takes his anger out on his family but expect her to be his happy place? Boy bye get annoyed at step dad enjoying the family u can't stand n took for granted

[@joycejoy4119]

Like a moms would 😅

[@seabreeze4559]

vulnerable narcissist 101

[@cvzdez]

people needs a bring back formality. Before you come to someone's house, you need to say "Hey. It's OK if I come over." Because it's so inconsiderate impolite to expect everyone to stop what they're doing to address you on your time. Everybody has their own time and things To do, even your daughter in laws

[@nicholebryant7359]

Yeeesssss, like what is so hard to understand about that

[@EverydayGworl]

Idk know who Lauren Chen is but she holding on to these mens for dear life and they have their foot on her neck 😂😂😂

[@BurbNBougie]

GIRLLLLLL!! I have another conservative woman that's getting the business over on Twitter to talk about. The TradCon men be giving it to them.

[@Tigerlily_Fresh]

They love it down there on the floor, leave them be!

[@corpsehandler5321]

​@@Tigerlily_Fresh if it's just your fetish, your dommy-daddy lifestyle, sure, fine, do that freaky shit you do. but you can't try to make everyone else live like you do, ma'am (general "you").

[@lindsayD1995]

It takes a long time to realize how miserable you are and even longer to realize you don’t have to be that way.

[@UnexpectedSpanishInquisition]

I wish more ppl understood this.

[@shaypope4732]

15:29 he doesn't respect the fact that you just pushed a whole human out of ur body n need to rest when ur baby sleeps so u won't be sleeped deprived f him his momma his sister and his baby too

[@Lokian_Mermaid]

Exactly! My mom's friend had a baby a few months after I did and since this friend had to be bedridden, my mom went over there to help her a lot. The friend's husband took paternity leave when the baby was born and he was great. But groups of his friends just dropped by more than once. It was too much and when it happened the second time this friend told her husband that and he explained it to his friends. They had the AUDACITY to get their feelings hurt. When my mom and I heard that, we laughed and said, "Tough S#it!" We only wish we'd been there to say it to their faces. Both the wife and husband appreciated that we backed them up though.

[@shaypope4732]

@@Lokian_Mermaid some ppl will over step ur boundaries cause they don't have any smdh

[@LouLouLion]

🤣🤣

[@TheePrincessBrat]

Im glad women are catching on to PP bros games. It really is gross and shameless. And if he’s asking to stay with you when he visits, you better believe he was with a bunch of other women as he country hopped 🤢 For them to be attractive enough to get matches but resort to this, says very very bad things about their personality. The entitlement to xes is a HUGE red flag, no woman should be alone with these men. I imagine PP Bros will start changing tactics but i don’t think most have the emotional control to hide their true colors for long.

[@toscadonna]

The first husband was just like mine except he also withheld xes from me; this type of angry, dismissive treatment stomps the love out of the woman’s heart to the point that she can no longer stay. It’s so weird that males would rather destroy the entire relationship than to just do a few nice things for their wives. For the MIL and dumb husband-if you’re gonna drive 3 hours to pop up on a new mother, you need to bring lots of good food, be very quiet until the mother wakes up, and make yourself useful by talking to the husband and even cleaning up and helping out. Then you might be forgiven for stopping by unannounced. You’re not even supposed to show up unannounced-especially without gifts and/or food-expecting to be entertained.

[@seabreeze4559]

sitcoms tell them manchild behaviour is normal instead of cringe

[@jaeshasway]

20:20 I hope these young women are paying attention because they’re not just marrying the man, they’re marrying his mother too.

[@TheePrincessBrat]

NTA for the MIL story. I would react the same way. Your home is the place where you get *away* from the public. No one wants unexpected guests and they definitely shouldn’t be ripping covers off you. Smh. Husband and MIL did it to themselves

[@XCaptianXChaosX]

Agreed. If he wants to visit with his mom, he should. Somewhere. But not the bedroom where a new mom is trying to get some sleep.

[@TheePrincessBrat]

@@XCaptianXChaosX yes! It’s so invasive! I would feel very exposed.

[@whattheflimflam]

Mother in Laws always want the same misery they had to be delivered upon their Daughter In Laws. They were treated like second class citizens back in the day and they love to see it happen to the young generation. Somebody i know's MiL is big mad they are childfree instead of having three or four kids. I laugh everytime

[@shaypope4732]

Let him go back home to his mom's since she misses him so much so they can make each other miserable

[@TheePrincessBrat]

@@whattheflimflam 💯 some people want to see the next generation struggle because they did, instead of wanting better for you

[@cvzdez]

In my culture, it is the rude to wake up someone I have said, especially a woman who just had a baby. You just don't wake up a pregnant woman. A postpartum pregnant woman and in general, it is rude to go and wake people up from They're bad you're supposed to take quiet like a church mouse, especially if you come on invited which you shouldn't anyway. 18:59 She came into your bedroom no no no

[@valeriaswanne]

Had my first child and ever since, daddy has been pulling out the weaponized incompetence for the first time ever. I'm not having it. Honey, those are YOUR laundry machines, I know darn well that you know how to use them!

[@valeriaswanne]

"I'm tired" oh poor you, you only got 7hrs of sleep instead of 8. I've not had more than 3 at a time, so EXCUSE ME for not being sympathetic...

[@the.masked.one.studio4899]

The woman with the baby… 🤬 This bull ish makes me happy I raised my baby 100% alone. It was hard and I was tired, but I was able to raise her the way I felt was best with no bull. 💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖

[@shaypope4732]

Proud of you momma I bet you get the benefits of ur job well done... but I think she should give him the baby to do it alone since he thinks her sleep is irrelevant

[@DianaPrinceitiswhatitis]

His mother would have gotten oops upside her head period. She and her son were out of line.

[@islandgirl8067]

1st story, I bet the emotionally abusive husband will claim he was “blindsided” when his wife files for divorce. He sounds like my toxic verbally abusive mother. 4th story, I’m glad the ladies overseas are getting wise to the PPBros.

[@briolivia]

The city being leftist has nothing to do with the ideologies of the individuals assaulting people. These people and their fallacies 🙄

[@soul-deeplevel-up6179]

I think she was referring to the “leftist” policies that encourage reforming the criminal justice system. By lowering bail requirements or releasing offenders back onto the streets. But that has nothing to do with the victims, who may be liberal or conservative, as you can be the political minority in a state you reside in. She was basically blaming those women for voting for politicians who failed to be “tough on crime”. When it’s far from being that simple.

[@Wednesdaywoe1975]

​@@soul-deeplevel-up6179It's still a stupid argument. There is no evidence these men have ever been IN the criminal justice system. They are ordinary men. Domestic violence has never been treated like a real crime in ANY city or state.

[@briolivia]

@@Wednesdaywoe1975 exactly

[@boomerdragon1568]

There is no such thing as a tradwife (a woman, in today's society, who chooses to be a wife and mother, exclusively) unless she is married to a wealthy man or has a large " dowry" to buy it. Woman work in today's so called traditional families. In and outside the home.

[@seabreeze4559]

the lady in prov31 has STAFF, a fleet of HELP

[@tspencer661]

Story #1. That woman is being emotionally abused. The silent treatment is verbal abuse. Her husband is NOT going to get better or do better. That’s reality. She can stay if she chooses, but she will continue to be abused as long as she g as she stays with him.

[@seabreeze4559]

stonewalling

[@catsncrows]

I wonder if "remembering the good times" is a maladaptive survival skill. My older sister has done this with our parents and she gets angry at me when I bring things up. Lady, you ran away from home at sixteen because things were so bad. Both of them were horrid. I can see this translating to a difficult marriage

[@seabreeze4559]

positivity bias, yes it is

[@katharineshepherd253]

Patriarchy on a budget 😂😂😂. Burb you crack me up I love it ❤

[@shaypope4732]

23:27 ppbros trying to take advantage of women resources for free in other countries cause women where they're from closed shop lol

[@seabreeze4559]

apparently on fb there are levelling up classes run by women on how to catch these guys then get it all in the divorce

[@shaypope4732]

@@seabreeze4559 good cause I met a Dominic' women when I was living in Germany she was the only hairdresser in the small town n her husband thought she didn't speak English at all lol so I would speak Spanish when he was around but she doesn't know dutch so he was talking crap about her in English and dutch so I helped her learn dutch so long story short when she saved enough money she left him after a few yrs and said it in Dutch his face turned purple and she got half his retirement even though she didn't have his kids lol she has her own salon now and trying to move to Florida because of the weather but they have some big ole bugs out there I was ready to go cause ain't no way

[@shaypope4732]

No I'm ordering chili's what y'all want so I can get it by the time y'all done with school ...n jr stem teacher said he keeps saying gyat so I'm bout to be petty n brought a clown outfit for him

[@KarenTski]

Men want to go back to the 1950’s oh excuse me I mean the 1850’s

[@FullShade]

‘Imaging believing voting republican will change anything’ 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Oh it changes things 🔥🔥🔥🌎🌍🌏🔥🔥🔥

[@grimadean3432]

The fact that he claims “marriage-lite” with no conversations, until he wants to come chastise her.🙄

[@kgs2280]

These were ALL spot on! Thank you for all your good work here. I’m certainly learning a lot of new stuff here, and I appreciate it. I really loved that one comment in the PO Bros story: “They have been imported from the medieval times”. That is so true. I was wondering just when and how that happened, and I can only trace it back to the beginning of the evangelical movement. I swear, those guys would be happy to usher Shari’a Law into the U.S. They’re already talking about taking away women’s right to vote! Just wait until they see how many of us rise up when they try that. It will be a beautiful thing to see - and participate in.

[@MarsMellow84]

Omg! That first article was like I wrote it! Except I don't have kids. But this is exactly how I feel right now with my man of 10 yrs. 😢

[@shaypope4732]

Start seeing better options if ur time and effort isn't being appreciated yes he got u but wat is he doing to keep u

[@toscadonna]

Leave. I put up with 6 years of that sh1t whilst married, and I’ve now been divorced for 17 years! Freedom is priceless!😂

[@ButterflyBree]

The breastfeeding mama 8s not the asshole. I would've cussed the mother in law and husband out for not respecting my personal space and boundaries.

[@seabreeze4559]

it's humiliation of her, deliberately

[@biblioholic7139]

Dudes really need to listen to "Fool, I'm a Woman" and understand that no matter where your relationship is at, married, kids, whatever, nobody is on lock if you quit putting in effort.

[@a.m.308]

I’m pretty sure the husband has a side piece already. That’s why the husband has gotten cold and grumpy.

[@boop27407]

Imagine being a whole adult, trying to remove someone- another adult in their own home no less- from their bed??? The pure entitlement and disrespect, and the husband just letting it happen. No boundaries is right, jfc

[@EverydayGworl]

Mother in law would have had to take her son with her!!

[@LetsTalkAboutItWithMara]

2nd divorce that man I’m sorry being in a relationship with someone who cannot set boundaries with their family is a hell no for me . Turn this into the nothing reason why I left because I cannot !! Pay attention to how these men have relationships with their family mother’s sister. That lady told her she o stop being lazy while pregnant she’s jealous of that woman period

[@leeroyjenkins05]

Can women stop praising men for the bare minimum? That guy in the first story proving the OP wrong and giving false hope that she can still save the marriage while she shouldn't even be the one saving it is baffling. Stop it

[@hippie1252]

Story 3. It's not a bad habit. He's disrespecting you. I'd have a hard time being married to a man that thinks he running things and is not even willing to have a conversation with HIS WIFE about what's happening in our home.

[@Gumbier_Than]

Well it's like Allan Quatermain (Sean Connery) said: "Do it right or don't do it at all".

[@joannediaz8978]

Love that Movie!😊

[@studiosandi]

I love that patriarchy on a budget.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@altyrrell3088]

"A rage free space to make mistakes" wow, yes. This is what I try to cultivate now.

[@smlorrin]

In reference to the part about the MIL just showing up without the wife knowing, it's not only an issue because the wife just having had a baby. This is *NEVER* acceptable if the wife has made it clear that it's not acceptable. Even if she didn't have a child, it would not be acceptable. I hope that she sticks to her guns about this because, otherwise, it's never going to stop. I know from experience.

[@sherrita8582]

It doesn't matter if its friends or family,it won't hurt to call ahead to check if a person is up for company...they should have gotten the baby so the mom could rest🤷🏾

[@Jujubean9795]

The husband and mother-in-law are absolutely wrong. If anything, the mother-in-law needs to be in contact with the wife to arrange visits. Period. She is a mother and knows how difficult it is… If the mother-in-law doesn’t improve her relationship with her daughter-in-law, they will forever have problems.

[@shaypope4732]

She trying to piss her off on purpose it's no more conversation to be had

[@Lokian_Mermaid]

Yep, if MIL was a family member that CARED, she'd want to help when coming over. She didn't care, she's just entitled.

[@seabreeze4559]

deliberately, she's driving a wedge

[@Lokian_Mermaid]

And we know that MIL immediately got on the phone and whined to her friends about her awful DIL that mistreats her and her son does nothing to defend her and is keeping her away from HER grandchild. 🙄🙄🙄🙄 Same old BS that's been around for eons. It's why I take things with a grain of salt when I hear ppl complain about someone, including my own friends.

[@AriesLaZuriUhuru]

If the mother-in-law was worth a damn, she would help. Maybe do some cooking and some cleaning. the son/husband could entertain her while OP and the infant get much needed rest. so no, she is not a-hole.

[@Ms.July-Moon]

Exactly. If she’s driving three hours to see her grandchild she should help lift the burden off the new parents so they can relax and have a nice visit. Come over cook a meal or three so they don’t have to worry about it, do laundry with a baby in the house there’s laundry to be done, clean up the house do something do your son and daughter in law will have less stress and they will be more than happy to have you visit because you are not a burden needing to be entertained you are coming over to help so they have less stress and it will be a pleasure to have you visiting.

[@west913]

23:02 Not them going to other countries being broke? I thought PP Bros was looking for love? 😂

[@23rdcenturyhobbit]

As a member of the Pisces gang, Mil and husband would have spent the night at a hotel. We value sleep but nta on the 2nd story, breastfeeding is a job and tires you out; mom and baby needs REST the first most!! Surprised she didn't go off, woooo better than me, im cussing out the husband and mil for her...

[@txspacemom765]

My ex used to know, if someone shows up to my front door and they are not on fire, he will be asking them to leave. Nope. I don't even like surprises, even with good intention. My ex was great with not telling me about big events until the day before or of.

[@aurora8749]

My ex was super mean to me after we moved in together. Before he was so sweet, we moved in together and suddenly he treated me like he hated me and I wanted nothing to do with him. I just had to take the abuse and plot my escaped. Eventually it got to the point I was supporting him, myself, and our three kids off a part time minimum wage job and it was so awful, I had to feed 5 ppl off $40 a month and never knew if the rent was going to get paid all because he refused to hold a job and help with bills which he had promised he would pay more than half before we moved. I think he may have paid half twice in the year and a half we lived there but also during that time he was always mad, snapping at me, yelling, calling me names, and occasionally physically violent. He literally treated me like he hated me...but would freak out and slam things because I wouldn't sleep with him. I told him a few times that I'm a human being and don't want to fuck ppl that treat me like trash just like he wouldn't want to and that seemed to almost get through for a second. It eventually came to a head when he wouldn't come up with $250 out of our $1100 rent and I we were likely going to get evicted. He had slammed my head into our closet mirror breaking it a few days before, so I snuck off and get a restraining order and left him alone in that apartment. I finally started wearing make up again, the way I liked and doing my hair how I liked. He had belittled and insulted me for so long until I stopped. It seemed like the moment he saw me looking how I normally look again he got obsessed with me again, started kissing my azz and begging me to stay with him despite the fact I already left him alone to get evicted and inherit the consequences of his own actions. He made it seem like it was all a big misunderstanding and I fell for it and got back with him. He has still treated me better ever since I started taking care of myself again but still took extreme advantage, stole from me, and physically/sexually abused me. I can say with certainty her husband is a narcissist in the first story. He will never change

[@susiebear3316]

🙄🫣 I am sorry, but tree of logic is a grifter. I have been around these KZbin streets long enough to remember when she was on board with bashing black women and heavy into red pill 💊content. Y'all better be careful with her.

[@BurbNBougie]

Ok. Good looking out, Hun

[@88QueenOfHearts]

Tree of logic goes after redpillers and the cuck-servatives they antagonize. As far as the bashing goes, she is against all things hood mentality, and that is rampant in the culture. If you don't like her aggressive takes, don't watch. She literally advertises herself as the bully's bully. So, she is not a grifter, but she has learned some new things that have changed her opinion. Especially about feminism and traditional roles. Sorry you were offended, but she ain't for everybody.😢

[@88QueenOfHearts]

I have no idea what you are talking about? Provide receipts please. I know she has changed her opinion on a few things, but a grifter? She literally advertises herself as the bully's bully.

[@Tigerlily_Fresh]

​@@88QueenOfHearts She could just be pandering to fill her wallet if nothing else.

[@88QueenOfHearts]

​@Tigerlily_Fresh Sure, but ultimately, there would be proof. Pandering leaves a trail. Bashing or supporting certain people leaves a trial. Where are the receipts?

[@imanina]

Tree of logic is crazy in her own right

[@swordchild0013]

Ive seen 2nd also on some Fb Reddit stream feed and the number of women bashing OP is unbelievable - granted they didn’t have the OP subsequent comments - but the mindset of people to think that it is ok for anyone to barge into your room and pull your covers off of you when you are sleeping ?! Like WTH ?

[@masumi1990x]

Technically, by the definition, the real conservatism doesn't exclude progress if it's proven that that thing works.

[@FireSilver25]

That MIL is on a big old power trip. The husband probably is too. She probably had to be a slave to her MIL and now wants to inflict that on someone else. I hope she divorces him. Even holding these kind of boundaries is exhausting! Edit: I had a similar experience with a former art mentor and his entourage. He was very generous with his knowledge and I appreciated that so much. But when I was getting ready for a big art show and super stressed he’d just show up on my doorstep and demand to be let in. “You need a break!” They’d twist my arm into coming out to dinner with them even though I was in a good flow with work. Then he’d have the audacity to say, “So, what are you working on?” I wanted to scream “NOTHING!!! I WAS working on inventory but you azzholes interrupted me!!!” When I tried to speak up for myself they’d shut me down. “You HAVE to spend time with your friends!” One year I stayed at someone’s guest house in the boonies to get ready. But it was really inconvenient because most of my tools were at home. And her husband was also super nosy and accidentally dropped an opal into the gravel. I was soooo mad after that. So the next year I just wrote a bunch of rude notes and stuck them to my door. “I’m getting ready for Market!” “Leave me alone!” “Friends and family F$&@ OFF!!!!” (Some relatives were doing the same thing, including my narcissistic mother). I was left alone FINALLY! And that mentor never called me again. I wish he’d of at least apologized for his entitled behavior but he never did.

[@seabreeze4559]

envy and sabotage, clear cut. This is why I don't answer the door or the phone.

[@jaeshasway]

17:29 Why doesn’t the Mother in law reach out to the wife? This is crazy. Why just go through her son. Makes you wonder if she specifically asks him not to say anything.

[@swordchild0013]

Ive seen that Reddit post - the OP had another post where MIL had one time contacted her and she didn’t respond immediately because was in the shower and now she never contacts her because apparently OP *never* answers the phone 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[@EagerMarshmallows]

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[@vayas09]

This whole video was just infuriating 🤬

[@amyyaku5022]

S2: Kinda wish we would stop bickering over this stuff, but I'll sit back and eat popcorn until then (to me stuff like this isn't productive and in most conversations there's miscommunication between both parties). S3: Sounds like the husband and his family don't care about OP at all and even see her as a servant or slave 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@studiosandi]

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[@onycagayle4485]

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[@AndyyWithAY]

People have different sexual needs, but not having sex should be a mutual decision. When it's contentious like this, it's time to divorce. Women need nonsexual touch and affection. It's so easy to get more sex from your wife. But, they just want to be selfish and play by their own rules. I am not saying that one partner cannot decide not to have sex, but that if one person decides not to have sex the relationship is most likely unhealthy and probably beyond repair.

[@amberinthemist7912]

You've got it backward. Having sex is a mutual decision, not Having sex is an individual decision.

[@kalasue7]

Who’s getting karyotyped? I have no idea what my chromosomes are. I have an educated guess based on my phenotypes but have never been karyotyped.

[@Holisticmental]

The first person is selfish and I'm talking about the wife (i fell out of love and so did he but he doesn't know it yet, is she a prophet or something)

[@Lokian_Mermaid]

Burb, thank you so much for all your hard work, information and for introducing us to others that do the same. I really enjoy my mornings of watching your newest post with a good cup of coffee. (Yes, I then hydrate after 😊) Have a beautiful day. 🩷🩷

[@BurbNBougie]

My pleasure!

[@MsGenXodus]

I am a republican, however, I’m not conservative (or at least I don’t follow the party line). I registered as a republican because I live in Portland Oregon and the democrats are equally insane in the echo chamber that is Portland politics. Too much empathy and not enough action in this city. Too many “listening tours” and literally nothing gets done. Fan-freaking-tastic that my elected leaders feel our pain, but nothing ever gets done! At least this way I can foment chaos in the republican party by voting for the candidate who is furthest to the left in the Republican Party. The goal is to subtly push republicans to the left. It probably won’t work, but it makes me think at least it’s something!

[@acallforaction4128]

🫢 I just got what the 90 day fiancé thing is all about! 😮 WOW