4-TRACK CASSETTE RECORDER: Ping Pong Bouncing | 424recording.com

[@Anthonyx2b]

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[@424Recording]

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[@51mgbeats32]

Dude thank you for all these videos. I have been making music for 16 years now, always recorded digitally, composed in DAWs. Recently got into DIY effects/instruments electronics projects, got fascinated by the cassettes of my childhood by watching Hainbach and realizing the unique qualitues and possibikities for manipulation with tape and bought a 424MkIII to record with. Your videos have been a huge help. Best wishes!

[@fender1000100]

The 424 MK3 a masterpiece of design and functionality. I've had mine now for 3 weeks and am loving it. Cassette recording is fun, tactile and the warmth of analogue tape is worth that little bit more background hiss.

[@destructivecactus]

Man, your videos are getting better and better. Thanks for these!!

[@424Recording]

Hey, thanks, cactus! Glad to hear haha. Really proud of the last shot

[@bloop9042]

Wow this is amazing advice I’ve been using one for about a year and had no idea they could do this and so simple this opens up so many possibilities thank you so much

[@iheartsanman]

brother you art thy goat 🐐

[@NorthAnchor]

Finally getting around to ping ponging....dude you're lifesaver!

[@424Recording]

North Anchor my pleasure! How’s it going?

[@NorthAnchor]

424 Recording it's going. Finally recorded 2 instrumental tunes on the 424 and ping ponged 2x on the 2 tunes. I then dumped the tracks into Logic and mixed them down.

[@424Recording]

Nice, dud, that's awesome! Glad to help 🤓

[@NorthAnchor]

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[@BrazillianFOsho]

Your vids are great man

[@mikethebloodthirsty]

I used to bounce down to a external deck through a mixer, then back into the 4 track... Sometimes you record parts during the bounce down process. It was a bit of a fussy process but the quality was a bit better.

[@424Recording]

Hmmm, I need to try this out. I've always bounced in the 424. I have a deck that would be perfect for this. Recording parts during bounce down is high stakes haha. Thanks for watching, Mike

[@karmicneurot9829]

Man, to have had these in '93.

[@424Recording]

Yeah! That was a big motivator to make the vids. The manual leaves a lot to be desired! Thanks for watching.

[@OliviaMcShaneMusic]

thank you mike, your videos are SO helpful!

[@424Recording]

Olivia McShane my pleasure! Thanks for watching!

[@benwilliams9075]

Thanks very much for this!

[@424Recording]

What else do you see in your crystal ball?

[@benwilliams9075]

424 Recording drum recording ?

[@424Recording]

Wicked. I need to see what Jay's availability is; gonna head to his studio and record the drums with him! Thanks, Ben!

[@benwilliams9075]

424 Recording how long have you been using four tracks man?

[@424Recording]

Off and on since 2001-ish?

[@internetjimtem2000]

This is amazing

[@424Recording]

Thanks for watching. Glad you enjoyed it!

[@anemaldemomusic8182]

Cool but how do I do this with a reel to reel?

[@internetjimtem2000]

Pinging my neo psych jams thx to the videos pong

[@Dave-sb7jt]

Mike you are awesome and entertaining as well my friend ! Great instructions on the ping pong video. Ive never had much luck ping poning in the past.... Never could get a clear enough mix . but im giving another try on a very well recorded and well executed good song ..... So im taking a deep breath...... Here we go! :)

[@vask8ers1]

Hey! I appreciate your videos they help alot! I was wondering if you could explain techniques like these on the 424 mk1 because thats the one i own and the switches are a bit different! Thank you!

[@424Recording]

Hmmm, I'll look into it. My 424 is busted atm but I'll add this to the video list. That's a great idea. Maybe I can show it without needing to play the song! Cheers and thanks for watching!

[@rhud5779]

hola ! my 4th track is a bit faulty - anyone out there know if just ping ponging 1&2 to 3 by panning left works?

[@DiskettePark]

On the 424 MKII there's no line out switch to select L/R or mono. I assume it's just always set to L/R. How do I get tracks 1-3 to go out to track 4 in mono on the MKII? Thanks!

[@TrumanBest]

does that mean it all becomes mono?

[@CrossFret]

Thank you for your videos, man. I have a question that maybe someone here can help me with. I've noticed that when I do a pingpong bouncing on my Yamaha mt120, the result is very noisy and muddy. I'm wondering if it's possible to do a bounce of (let's say) 3 tracks using the direct outputs of the tape through a mixer, mix them, apply EQ, etc., and then record that refined sound back onto the fourth track of the 4-track recorder. I feel like the result will be much cleaner than doing internal bouncing through the ping pong technique. Has anyone tried this?

[@aguynamedjosh1]

can i do this on a fostex x12? and if so, how?

[@juliostacecilia]

But this technique is mono right? The only way to get a stereo bounce is to bouncing the tracks to your DAWS and back again on to tracks 1 and 2 correct? Your videos r a huge help

[@424Recording]

Yeah... or you could leave two tracks open but it might not make sense if you're only recording one instrument per track to leave them open. I actually perform the stereo bounce in this video. For your consideration: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nn3XY6mLjLqjpZY

[@nicholascreus]

if you have something already on 4, does it stay on that track?

[@sleepwalk8696]

No, you cannot add anything "on top" of something that is already there when it comes to tape. This is why you leave a channel blank if you plan on bouncing tracks down like this.

[@SuperGretschman]

Great stuff , I just wish your videos were a little longer and more info in them . This is such good stuff - Great !

[@424Recording]

Thanks, dude! I'll keep that in mind as I move forward

[@_L_U_X_]

hello, I have an original 424 and I don't understand how to bounce the tracks, I was wondering if you can help me

[@_L_U_X_]

also wanted to thank you because I been watching your videos since I got my 424, years ago, and you teached me a lot

[@424Recording]

Thanks for watching, Luca. Unfortunately, my original 424 is no longer working, otherwise I'd make a video. It's very similar to the bouncing videos on the mkiii, just make sure whatever track you want to bounce to you have the routing set up properly and the track is armed. Cheers and thanks for watching!

[@lucythegiant4104]

Will this also work with a Yamaha mt4x?

[@424Recording]

I don't see why not though I've never used one but it should be the same. You'll have to let us know!

[@vbabraimes]

Thanks for the lesson soldier! I'm getting a high-pitched whine when I try to ping-pong onto track 1 (over a scratch track I had previously recorded onto it.) Any idea why this might be happening?

[@424Recording]

My pleasure, Vincent. Idk might be the tape. It's tough to say. Yeah, it does sound like a tape issue

[@ryandeanlindgren9054]

cool

[@424Recording]

Thanks, sporto

[@topfloorstudio2684]

I have a PortaTwo and my track 4 has a "Tape / Off / Mic Line" switch on it. Am I correct in thinking this could be set anywhere because I'm internally ping-ponging and there isn't a mic/line hooked up? Thanks

[@vask8ers1]

Where would you recommend buying tape? I checked national audio company but they seem to only have type 1, im looking preferably for a bulk deal of some sort

[@424Recording]

I would say eBay or Reverb at this point. Type IIs are getting harder to find

[@vask8ers1]

@@424Recording yeah its scary! I just got a tascam 424 mk1 and i hope to record on it as much as possible! I was also wondering what cable would i use to transfer to my pc? Its not a macbook

[@424Recording]

I'd recommend using any audio interface. Here's an updated vid on audio transfer: kzbin.info/www/bejne/lXSxgnmrbaqdbs0

[@wildwes9463]

I can do this with a dual cassette deck and a dj mixer

[@nelsonylosfilisteos5050]

Can you do this with the original 424?

[@424Recording]

Yup!

[@RitualAbuseTX]

What's the difference between doing this and bouncing the tracks to your DAWS and back again on to tracks 1 and 2?

[@424Recording]

You can do that, too! Do whichever one works best for you and your workflow... ping-ponging keeps everything within the machine; out to the DAW and back again utilizes the digital realm

[@oscarvch]

if I have 3 tracks but I only want to ping pong 2 of them, will the mixdown of tracks 2 and 3 get out of sync with track 1? Thank you for these videos btw

[@424Recording]

My pleasure. Idk that's a really good question. I want to say no but the more I think about it, maybe. You might have to run some experiments

[@HaydenJack01]

don't you need to then delete the tracks you've just bounced? the tracks you bounced from 1,2,3 are still on 1,2,3 or do they get just get played over when you rerecord?

[@424Recording]

Yup, you then just record over them

[@benm8027]

When you bounce tracks 1, 2, and 3, do they all go into track four as mono? Like if I had tracks 1, 2, and 3, panned left or right in different directions and bounced them all to four, would four just be mono or would it keep the stereo pan that the three tracks had before bouncing?

[@424Recording]

Yeah. They will be on one mono track. If you want stereo, you'll need two open tracks

[@benm8027]

@@424Recording Cool, thank you so much! I just got a mki and your vids have been helpful!

[@424Recording]

@@benm8027 My pleasure. Glad to help!

[@blakewhittington4336]

I'm having a issue with my synch/on/off setting. It won't let me playback my recording on track 1 but 2,3,4 are ok. The manual says to record in the on setting and I am.

[@424Recording]

Blake Whittington what happens when it’s off?

[@blakewhittington4336]

424 Recording Still nothing. I've tried everything. 2, 3,and 4 work so I'm guessing it's out but it was working fine when I got it. Could plugging in direct guitar blow a channel? This 424 MarkII was in Perfect shape and is the one we used with my band from 95-2000 and that's the only thing it was ever used for ever so maybe 20 hrs of use. Damn I just dropped a grand to get this going and now this so I need to do your approach where you had channel 4 out I think.

[@424Recording]

Yeah, I had to work around mine for a while. Never had any issue with blowing a channel with direct guitar and I've gone pretty hard with them. It might just be the age of the machine. It is weird that it would all of a sudden stop working after having been fine all those years but stuff does break down. I basically just used 3 tracks for a while, probably not what you want to hear but if you get creative with it, it'll work fine! Good luck, my friend!

[@blakewhittington4336]

424 Recording I've come into a little luck. A friend heard about my problem and had a 4- track laying around he said I could borrow. I was really excited when he got here and its identical to yours a Tascam Mark III so your videos are going to be even easier to follow.

[@424Recording]

That's dope! Congrats, Blake! Let me know if ya have any questions!

[@spacealienjesus709]

Will this work on the MK2 as well?

[@424Recording]

Yup! Used to have one of those as well 🤓

[@spacealienjesus709]

424 Recording thank you so muchm

[@424Recording]

My pleasure!

[@joemaddock5387]

I have an MKII as well... can't figure out how to record to track 4 while bouncing as you briefly mention at the end. Will *that* work on the MKII? If so, how's it done? Great vid, my man.

[@424Recording]

Joe Maddock use an input and bus it to whatever track the bounce is going to. Make sure it’s on mic/line!

[@bakkmann]

thanks for the vids! I'm revisiting this thing after several years of dust collection. one thing I'm noticing thats different from your example. I ping ponged 1 & 3 to 4, but I'm not seeing the levels show up for the 'ping' tracks 1&3, only on the 'pong' track 4. I've got 1 & 3 set to Tape. wth? were they not recorded hot enough? and the pong track sounds kinda warbily? I might need new tape.

[@424Recording]

Awesome! What's your pitch knob set at? How do you have 1 & 3 panned?

[@bakkmann]

pitch at TDC, 1 & 3 panned Right, set to Tape, Line Out at Mono, Track 4 Buss R. Tried again and nothing, and still no levels showing up for 1 & 3...I'll try again later today. Not sure what I've got mixed up.

[@424Recording]

Hmmm, that's really strange. Do you have the faders up? And the master fader up?

[@jesusgavemeaids]

Problem is getting it to sound good. Tracks 1-3 may sound great by themselves but sound awful when bounced on track 4.... You have to do it several times making different EQ adjustments to get the final bounce on track 4 to actually sound decent.

[@cheesyfudge]

oh sweet jesus christ thank you so much!!

[@424Recording]

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[@nutrisativa2891]

interesting but does not detract from quality?

[@424Recording]

Nutri Sativa maybe a little on the high end but not much. Also depends how you set the EQ

[@nutrisativa2891]

I thought very interesting. Could this be done for the other tracks? Do the same for track 3

[@424Recording]

Yeah! Works for any track you like

[@waterdrinker8554]

Does this work the same way with the Yamaha mt4x

[@emersonsmithereens2094]

sweet hot damn I love this channel.

[@424Recording]

Emery Wellever thanks for watching, Emery!

[@carlosjorge4146]

I still have a doubt mike. Is it posible to bounce the tracks with stereo panning? Or does it always have to be mono? For example, if I make a pre mix where guitar is panned all the way to the right and another to the left, will the bounce to track 4 be in mono, or will it keep those changes?

[@424Recording]

You can bounce in stereo but you'll need two tracks

[@blakewhittington4336]

So leave track 4 setting at off position and the pan on track 4 at high noon? I've done each of those steps and everything is still redlining

[@424Recording]

If it's redlining, adjust faders 1-3 and or the master fader. Buss R for track 4. Also, where do you have the channel 4 slider set to?

[@blakewhittington4336]

424 Recording ok cool thx. Had 4 on 7. Crap yeah now I see.

[@424Recording]

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[@robertmorreall9503]

Isn't that an 8-track in the video? That's cool if it is...and if it isn't. question... do you know how to do that on a Yamaha MT 100ii? I know, I should've gotten a Tascam. AHH ! I hate auto text! Too much Black Box Merlot. but there's more left...

[@424Recording]

Nah, it's a 424. Hmmm, not sure how to do that on the Yamaha but it looks like basically the same functions so you should be able to make it work! Good luck, Robert! Thanks for watching! P. S. I should be acquiring a Yamaha 4-track in the future... I'm hoping to do a bunch of videos on it... stay tuned!

[@quirkyfunguy]

Every time I bounce tracks on my 424, the quality goes to crap. Is there something I’m doing wrong or is there something on my 4 track I need to fix?

[@424Recording]

Hmmm, the quality will be diminished with each successive bounce due to hiss... what does your bouncing workflow look like? You can get around the hiss by bouncing to your DAW, fast forwarding the tape to a new section, and bouncing the new mix back to your 4-track. When's the last time you cleaned your machine?

[@quirkyfunguy]

I just got my 424 recently for super cheap from a dude and I'm learning how to use it still (your vids are very helpful btw). It's not so much a hiss that's making the bounce sound bad. There's sometimes a high pitched tone coming from the bounced track on the cassette and some warbly-ness. I'm thinking I'm either doing something wrong or it needs to be cleaned. There was one demo I recorded and the cassette I used actually got ruined when I bounced the tracks over

[@424Recording]

How old is the cassette?

[@quirkyfunguy]

Brand new

[@424Recording]

Weird. What does your workflow look like when bouncing?