400+ Mile Day Trip In Base Tesla Model Y! Heading To West Virginia To Check Out Chargers!

[@jrickar6]

Glad Tesla is finally expanding the Northlake supercharger site as it’s ALWAYS busy.

[@InternetDude]

4680 was supposed to be this huge game-changer. Turned out to be a nothing-burger.

[@brandenflasch]

It’s worse than a nothingburger

[@DerekDavis213]

Elmo makes so many false claims, over the last few years. All of them *nothingburgers* .

[@kellysmith2303]

Yay Mt. Airy…that’s where I was born. In CLT area now so I’ve been to most of these in my MX. Good vid!

[@dennissteul5445]

Thanks for your videos. As always very informative and entertaining.

[@KineticEV]

The site host, compared to others, probably offered the most space to install the pedestals and probably doesn't cost as much to lease. It's good that the good options are there. I think all future post should be installed perpendicularly like that pull in charger. That will allow vehicles to pull in or back in and pretty wouldn't matter what side the vehicle the charging port is one. But I also believe manufacturers should standardize on charger port location on cars. It just makes sense to have it on the side like Tesla has since that's the side you exit the vehicle on.

[@DanJQue7]

Gotta give you props for the clean windshield! Thorough coverage of these sites-from complex detailed explanations of the power structure of each power station to the price of each.. well done. Thanks for the video!

[@thenetworkarchitectchannel]

Pretty soon non-Tesla's will be able to make the WV trek too. Currently it is a tough row to hoe for us in CCS land. That will change when the good people at the TesSC team open up to other makes. We have a Cadi LYRIQ & a Volvo BEV which are said to be next in line, so hopefully not too much longer. Sweet wrap. Looks crisp. Thx for the vid. I enjoyed watching.

[@Techridr]

16:12 $0.57 per kWh plus a $250.00 fine for being in a disabled spot. That's a costly charge! 🤣

[@Weezedog]

I believe payment terminals are a NEVI requirement, so if it's not a NEVI-funded site I'm sure Tesla removes them. I'm sure Tesla wants everything to go through the app and doesn't want anything to do with payment terminals unless required by law.

[@brandenflasch]

Poor customer experience

[@AlexBerman1]

​@@brandenflaschWasnt a major pain point the card terminals on non Tesla units?

[@MrMcgooOG]

Driving 400 miles for Starbucks mugs doesn't seem to be good for the environment. Thanks

[@brandenflasch]

Better in an EV than gas car

[@bob-qi4nr]

@@brandenflasch Wrong

[@simplygregsterev]

Another great video! Circle K is expanding like crazy with EV Charging in USA/Canada. Not sure about the choice with ABB. The site near me is broken yet again "Always Be Broken" however future proof as well with 2 extra pads

[@brandenflasch]

They were basically the only good option available at the time

[@SuperChopperpilot]

Tesla stalls look just as bad as EA stalls these days.

[@brandenflasch]

They're getting rough

[@timoliver8940]

USd0.35 = GBP 0.28 /kW - we dream of public charging rates that low here in the UK - even Tesla super offpeak isn’t that low in the UK!

[@kelviskelvis7140]

Keep these coming Branden. They are always helpful. Most of my road trips through NC are on the 95 corridor side of the state.

[@TreeHugger826]

did you think of calling ahead to the various mug locations to order for later pickup? May have scored the mugs you were seeking. Enjoyed the video.

[@ahbushnell1]

I would like to see a video describing the topology in a Tesla charging station. I assume there must be a power electronics module for each charging port to control power flow. (I'm an EE).

[@brandenflasch]

I’ve done a few deep dives

[@ahbushnell1]

@@brandenflasch good.

[@johnpoldo8817]

In case you didn’t know, a CT is a current transformer used to measure power through a wire. It’s nothing more than a large coil of wire that produces AC voltage proportional to current flow in a wire.

[@brandenflasch]

Correct

[@jcervantes4444]

Hey Brandon, great video! I'm in the market for a used electric or plug in electric vehicle. My budget is 25k since I'd like to qualify for the 4k tax credit. I've been doing research for a couple weeks now, but would love your quick thoughts. Best bang for your buck.. under 25k (pre tax/fees). Thank you for the great vids.

[@brandenflasch]

Model 3

[@tomewatson]

I always enjoy your road trip videos. Thanks!

[@Json918]

Hey Brandon Thanks for the video, What phone apps do you recommend to find dc fast chargers when you are on the road?

[@brandenflasch]

PlugShare and in-car

[@vernontyer4421]

I saw in Atlanta there are gen. 4 super chargers at Lowe's. So it must be a thing.

[@brandenflasch]

Those are just V4 posts. They’re the same as V3 upstream.

[@karlwolf2]

What is the charging curve of the 4680?

[@brandenflasch]

Bad. Look at my dedicated video about it

[@johnpoldo8817]

Payment terminals are SO old-school. They are one more point of potential failure. Every driver has a cell phone that can activate a charging session. Alternatively, RFID tags work well too.

[@brandenflasch]

Somehow payment terminals work on every single gas pump, cash register, etc without issue. RFID are horribly insecure.

[@johnpoldo8817]

@@brandenflasch Actually, I’ve seen payment terminals broken at gas stations and DC fast chargers. The best part is no part, so why add something that is totally unnecessary? Phone app with bluetooth can easily activate charger. One of the reasons Tesla superchargers are so reliable is they have minimal input/output devices, no terminals or displays.

[@brandenflasch]

@@johnpoldo8817 I have no desire to download an app for every charger operator.

[@johnpoldo8817]

@@brandenflasch Respect your feelings. For my 7 years of EV charging, only 3-4% has been DC fast charging so apps are no concern. I’ve had the good fortune of home charging at apartments and multiple HOAs.

[@bobo-san]

the after market wheel covers are looking amazing! very good choice! 👍

[@ramonfacultad1717]

Is this the base model dual motor?

[@brandenflasch]

It’s the discontinued Model Y AWD with 4680 pack

[@Lorwildrose]

That first Tesla sight is set up so stupid! Who ever designed it doesn’t drive EVs.

[@IuseanXboxController]

My wife and I just did 1000 miles to NW Arkansas and 1000 miles back from Charlotte... in our little Chevy Bolt. We almost got stranded though because the sleeve guide for the DCFC pins popped off! Lucky I saw it go flying and put it back on but we didn't know for 4 days if we would be able to fast charge, had no problems on the drive back. Bolt is now over 157k miles on the odometer. 😀 Looking to get a Model Y currently to use for road trips.

[@brandenflasch]

That’s a lot of miles!

[@IuseanXboxController]

@@brandenflasch I put over 110k miles on a leaf just around Charlotte before this Bolt. 😀 Whats there to look out for on Model Ys? I am seeing 2021 and 2022 for sale for around $25k and that is for sure what we are getting next. We want LR AWD.

[@WizdogC]

After how much you've reported on the absolute abysmal charging performance of the 4680, it still doesn't cease to amaze me how bad it really is. At 23% just immediately falling off a cliff from around 168kw is insane. My 5+ year old Model 3 SR+ with over 100k miles on it will hold 175kw from 0-30% and then hit around 90kw at 50% which in comparison is pretty decent.

[@louiedias996]

Branden, super educational, thanks for posting. A few questions: 1. The standard Tesla V3 charger setup is a 600A cabinet to 4 dispensers, correct? My math tells me this can output a total of 498 kW, unless you have to derate by 25%. Does that mean the 250 kW posted limit on each dispenser could be reached if only 2 cars are charging? Would it split down to an avg of 125 kW if all 4 ports were being used? 2. Kinda related, would a set-up like this work for NEVI? My guess is not because they require 150 kW, just not sure if it allows for load sharing that might go below that. 3. Why are you shopping for Starbucks mugs?? You never actually say why, LOL. Thanks again for the great content!

[@brandenflasch]

1. Per NEC, any EV charging load has to be considered a continuous load and run at 80% of the circuit rating (unless on load management which Tesla sites are). Nameplate on Superchargers is 387kVA max continuous power and 465A max continuous current. Sites typically do not have enough installed capacity upstream of the cabinet to support running more than ~387kVA per cabinet and many are actually undersubscribed (utilities are able to allow this). 2. IMO, no. Tesla has decided they are NEVI compliant with this load management by only claiming 5/8 stalls (for example) and prioritizing them as NEVI stalls with 150kW min. However, this leaves no power for the other 3 stalls. 3. Shopping for mugs because my partner collects them - she has 40+!

[@louiedias996]

@@brandenflasch Ok got it, thanks. The video also shows some 180 kW units, you mention they're on a 300A breaker, but the cables can do a boost output of 400A. Is that because they stay within the NEC's limits for continuous loads, so they don't have to derate for that boost period? What would be the power output during the boost? Very sweet of you to do that for her :) Let me know if I can send you one from California

[@brandenflasch]

@@louiedias996 300A 480V 3P input, 400A max DC output (voltage varying per vehicle)

[@laloajuria4678]

why would you want anything from the virginias.........great charging infrastructure video otherwise!

[@SaugusDudley]

One question, not sure if it is only me but would you ever consider doing a deeper dive video on power boxes and what they mean? I see a bunch of YTubers discuss quickly what they are seeing but never understand what exactly that means. I might be the only one interested in which case disregard but I always like to improve my knowledge.

[@brandenflasch]

I’ve made a few of those videos already

[@SaugusDudley]

@@brandenflasch shit, let me do some work then and find them, thanks!

[@Thrice-er6ry]

You sure do have a “rosy” opinion about every little thing don’t you?

[@brandenflasch]

I call out what I see.

[@Thrice-er6ry]

@@brandenflasch I think you are dry begging trying to get an “atta boy” from Kyle….

[@brandenflasch]

@Thrice-er6ry do t need it

[@louiedias996]

Bro, nothing better to do than throw shade? Go start your own youtube channel if you have so much to say. Personally I find this stuff super helpful, learn a lot from these deep dives.

[@ahbushnell1]

The non NACS v3 sites, Have you noticed many being converted to NACS??? Is the rate of change based on software updates?

[@michaelgilly4497]

All Tesla Superchargers are NACS. Do you mean Magic Dock?

[@brandenflasch]

All V3 sites have been upgraded / retrofitted. Not all have been enabled

[@ahbushnell1]

@@michaelgilly4497 I mean compatable with Ford/Rivian

[@ahbushnell1]

@@brandenflasch I wonder why they have not turned on all the V3's for CCS cars? Potential video?? Or did I miss that.

[@brandenflasch]

@ahbushnell1 layout, commercial agreements, etc

[@bob-qi4nr]

I am heading 500 miles east to check out a new Shell station to see how fast it squirts gas. Get a life people.

[@pylesadam]

You spent the time to click on the video, watch the video, make your own comment, take time to reply to multiple of others comments.. sounds like you need to get a life

[@DerekDavis213]

Camry Hybrid goes 630 miles on a tank of gas. Then 5 minutes to refill the tank. Tesla cannot compare to that .

[@louiedias996]

But can you fill your Camry in the garage? Didn't think so. Well worth the trade-off, especially when you're paying a fraction of the cost at home for electricity.

[@Thrice-er6ry]

@@louiedias996 looks like you are quite the delusional troll yourself "Bro".

[@bob-qi4nr]

@@louiedias996 At least the Camry won't explode in your garage.

[@louiedias996]

@@bob-qi4nr I've seen a lot more ICE cars on fire by the side of the road than EVs.

[@bob-qi4nr]

@@louiedias996 Yeah after a crash.....Not just sitting in a garage.