Can a Tesla do a 400 Mile Trip QUICKER Than a Petrol Car? (Real-World Challenge)

The age old question - how much slower is an electric car on a long road trip, if at all!?
That’s the one we answer in this video, with Arthur driving the Tesla Model 3 Long Range and Eddie the long-established petrol BMW 318i on a 400 mile trip from Glasgow all the way down to London to see how the journey time and cost compares.
COST BREAKDOWN:
BMW 318i
- 41.2 litres of petrol needed in total :
- 50% of the tank at start - assuming refuelled at a local petrol station at the UK average price as of Jan 24 (30 litres @ £1.44/litre = £43.20)
- Would have needed to get 11.2 litres at the services to make it to the showroom with no fuel left in the tank (11.2 litres @ £1.64/litre = £18.37)
- TOTAL petrol cost: £61.57
Tesla Model 3 LR
- 140 kWh of electricity needed in total (including losses, heating while charging, etc.):
- Home charge to 86% = 62 kWh (based on a 72 kWh net battery size) at the maximum home rate (capped) at 28p/kWh = £17.34
- Tebay Supercharge: 62 kWh * £0.33 p/kWh = £24.80
- Rugby Supercharge: 16 kWh needed to get to the showroom with no energy left in the battery * £0.46 p/kWh (based on the vehicle having 23% or 16.5 kWh in the battery on arrival and needing a total of 32.4 kWh to cover the last leg of the journey) = £7.36
- TOTAL electricity cost: £49.50
CHAPTERS:
00:00 Introduction
02:27 Vehicles / Route Setup
06:05 Departure from Glasgow
12:05 Tebay Services
15:17 Departure from Tebay
17:17 Rugby Services
20:15 Departure from Rugby
21:35 Arrival to London
22:44 Conclusion

[@mousegw2415]

road tripping in a tesla has ruined me. I can't do it in any other car. the supercharging stops actually break up longer rides and make them feel so much better as you get out for food, stretching, little bit of youtube or hulu, and just the overall low effort needed with autopilot. amazing car.

[@paulwilson3759]

I have a Tesla, i also have a diesel VW, the tesla is quiet, refined and a nice place to be, it basically drives itself and takes most of the stress out of getting from A2B, the diesel, not so much. If i spend an extra half an hour in the tesla i consider that half an hour very well- spent

[@stuartburns8657]

Love my diesel tbh. I'm a steady-eddie, don't require tyre chewing drag race speeds. Dirty cheap insurance, £20 per year road tax and Euro6, so no congestion charge. 55mpg urban and closer to 70 on the handful of yearly motorway / long distance journeys I make

[@paulwilson3759]

@stuartburns8657 If it works for you then keep on going. Electric isn't for everyone, and nor will it suit everyone. You do you and be happy with your choices (and at 70 MPG I would be too)

[@stuartburns8657]

@@paulwilson3759 Ha, 70 mpg is the absolute max and a rarity whilst sticking Religiously to the speed limits. It's a 2016 Nissan Qashqai, nothing fancy and all paid off, still low mileage. Unfortunately our combined household mileage is so low that it's foolish not to sweat what we gave for several more years

[@tor0201]

Try to do the test going from Denmark through german highways with no speed limit to Paris and then compare. Any electric car will loose several hours.

[@stuartburns8657]

@@tor0201 That shouldn't be a surprise to anybody with a brain though should it? Until / if battery tech ever evolves, for long distances a journey if it requires charging en route will always be beaten by ICE?

[@computertutorials1286]

Honestly, I'd say having to stop in the Tesla to charge on long road trips is a good thing because it forces you to take breaks. That along with TACC and Autopilot can make the drive pleasant rather than exhausting. Personally I could never sit in a car for 3+ hours without stopping, even as a passenger it's just not comfortable.

[@OTPulse]

This. I do regular 1100km trips to family, i live in Australia (Newcastle to East Melbourne) and put it in an EV trip planning app, and i had to add stops. I was curious about EVs since considering giving my car to the kids and getting an EV. Last trip i did, i noticed every stop i make has charging bays. I can do the trip if desperate in one stop but rather have 4 half hour or more breaks.

[@eurimcoplimsoll1117]

Nice video - But 1) Cost of fuel for BMW on the table works out at £1.49 /l . It was £1.60 plus at the services. 2) The first stop in the Tesla at Tebay wasted time by charging to well over 90% when 80% would have been enough to get to Rugby . Could of got 10 minutes or more saved beacuse of significantly slower charging over 80%.

[@KentBuchla]

Yes, on long trips, it is greatly quicker to charge only to the point where the Tesla tells you that you have sufficient charge to get to the next stop.

[@Cloxxki]

50 minutes at a charger seems weird. Is that route largely void of good chargers? Tesla chargers only? Could slow you down.

[@borinvlogs]

Interesting to see the journey costs comparison for a car with 450 hp vs a car with 134 hp. Next time, let's do a comparison with 1050 hp Tesla S Plaid vs 69 hp Toyota Aygo.

[@Paul-if1jq]

Actually, let's see a 450hp EV VS 450 hp car, it all somewhat irrelevant. At 70 MPG, Aygo, BMW etc.. will get 45-50 MPG. The reality is a £20 charge will get you 250+ miles, and home charging would be £6-10, no ICE car can compete with an average fuel cost of £1.45+ a litre. My neighbour and I went 308 miles on a single charge and it cost him £5.40 on the octopus energy cheap rate 0.07p a kwh

[@jlrguy2702]

May be but my x-trail tootles around at 60mph and 67mpg. It’s actually quieter than my Mrs MY performance on the motorway. Our Tesla is cheaper to run but lost loads in depreciation. The x-trail is my work car as I do 40k miles a year. Everything considered the Tesla is more expensive to run when I add in depreciation against initial cost. All paid cash as we don’t use loans for cars. I would have to use super chargers too as most journeys I do are over range.

[@eddthirty4065]

but it costs a lot more to charge away form home @@Paul-if1jq

[@simonhenry7867]

​@@jlrguy2702considering the government are giving lease companies as much as 54% in lease money in taxation and they dictate the second hand price, anyone buying a new EV is asking to get screwed.

[@gubsak55]

It might come as a surprise for you, but an electric motor of 100 hp and an electric motor of 400 hp may use almost the same amount of energy and power on a say 100 km journey, because when you drive you use only the energy needed and an electric is not less effective when it is (almost) idle. The full torque is there at 0 km/h and at 100 km/h, but the motor itself is not less efficient at higher speeds. Petrol engines are quite different when it comes to efficiency at different rpm, and a smaller motor is not always more efficient. But of course, with 400 hp car, you often go faster and therefore less efficient than with a 50 hp car. I learned to drive in my dad's 27 hp car, and our new EV has 325 hp, and yes, I do go faster 😂.

[@no1styles]

Another quality video. Please keep providing fact based evidence to support electric vehicles, even though you did take a shortcut 😂😂

[@SF-24-Lec]

2hr in a petrol or 3hr in an EV. Why did you handicap the petrol?

[@cokyrobes]

This is a really great video guys - really shows what you can do with a Tesla nowadays - pretty much zero loss of use for any UK journey now. Other EVs not there yet but getting there soon I think!

[@simplygregsterev]

Great video! I use the route planner as a guide. 50 min charge is a bit long I try to keep them at 15-25 mins and arrive low SOC. Even I I have to make a another stop I mentally feel better about “getting ahead”

[@trevorberridge6079]

A Tesla Model 3 Highland can do at least 300 miles in cold weather with the heating on and 375 in good weather with the heating off. That means that on a journey of 400 miles the car would not need to add more than 25% charge on one occasion in the entire journey. In terms of speed you would be adding an average of 70 miles for every 10 minutes of charging. As you would need 100 miles extra range in worst case conditions that means your total charging time would be 14m 17s. But that's the average. If you charge only once the battery is below 10% you could expect to get your extra required 100 miles of range in less than ten minutes. Barely time to visit the toilet and get back to your Tesla. Arthur makes the classic novice mistake of deciding he needs to top up the battery as much as possible when charging. With only 200 miles to Rugby the Tesla had 303 miles of range showing at 94% full. There was no need to charge for 45 minutes when he could have charged for 30 minutes and left with 200 miles of range. He would then have a 15 to 20 minute head start with no need to top up for more than 10-15 minutes at a subsequent stop. With the battery emptied out a bit by that time there would have been enough to get all the extra range he needed at top speed with plenty to spare. I don't understand why in a "real world" test of which would do the journey quicker there is this agreement to wait for each other. That totally skews the result. They should just be driving the prescribed route taking toilet stops as needed and having one lunch break which can have a set time for them both, say 30 minutes. Then all you're left with is journey time and fuelling time. I should also mention that 800v charging is rolling forward and charging speeds are about to leave 250kw far behind.

[@eddthirty4065]

Interesting test - I'm surprised that the 318i had such poor fuel consumption. My 440i does 43mpg at 70mph consistently. Is the TM3 you used in the test the dual drive LR or RWD LR? I've also got an EV and did South London to Leeds, took 7.5 hours back in 2014 instead of 4 hours by ICE, the max range was 80miles at 60mph with a couple of miles spare. Still have the EV, it's now done 70k miles and still has a range of 70 miles.

[@oliverandersson1991]

small engines at highway speeds is not good in a big car like the 318i, had the same experience in my ford focus estate 1.0 ecoboost with the 7 speed dual clutch transmission.

[@colinwiseman]

Love the exhaust fumes coming out of the BMW 😅

[@deansh8506]

Excellent video. Just shows in the real world on a realistic long drive there isn't much in it between a long range EV and an ICE car.

[@gohumberto]

There is a difference .... Price of fuel. I don't really pay for fuel any more in my EV. I charge from my home Solar and very occasionally from public chargers.

[@borinvlogs]

I've driven over 20,000 miles in my Tesla with 527hp and charging or refueling has cost me just £83 so far. Used a supercharger only once and that was £12 and It charged the car faster than the time I needed to use the toilet.

[@stuartburns8657]

​@@gohumbertoI find that in order to make a reasonable ROI moving from ICE to EV, these conditions need to be met: 1. High annual mileage 10-15k 2. Former ICE had modest to low mpg 3. Former Ice had high road tax and insurance. 4. EV home charge on cheap tarrif. Without those 4 the 'savings' are (or where?) a bit of a fallacy. With the semi recent Tesla and EV values plummeting, ROI is more viable with a 2nd hand model

[@Conservator.]

With any decent EV, you’d hardly fast charge. You’ll charge at home at night most of the time and sometimes at your destination when you have to go somewhere really far away. Only on very long road trips you’d have to fast charge but you’d want to charge and discharge yourself as well by that time.

[@warringtonminge4167]

With either of my petrol cars for a 400-mile trip it's turn the key, drive 200 to the relatives, park there all day, turn the key, drive 200 home. No need to spend all my time looking at the video game screen to see when I have to stop and find a charger. The relatives 200 miles away don't have an EV charger so I'd need to park the EV on a charger several miles walk away, then break off my visit to collect it from the charger. And how many chargers take cash or cards? Assuming it's not winter cold I could presume I could get back home on one full charge?

[@Gazer75]

@@warringtonminge4167 Drive to relatives, plug in over night, drive home. Probably half the fuel price if that. Pretty sure they have an outlet somewhere so you can bing the small charger. Tesla SuC have no payment, its plug and charge. It's charged on your card registered on your owners account. Other CPOs you use often will have an RFID tag to tap to start. No need to mess with a card or cash. Some chargers do have tap card to pay as well though.

[@warringtonminge4167]

​@@Gazer75 Plug in where may I ask when the rellies live on the 2nd floor (3rd floor in America) And when I don't register a card for an ICE why TF would I need to with an EV? When I drive off the forecourt with a CAR I've bought for cash, it's mine, I am not in hock to some bastard corporation who wants to control my every move in it, and has the electronic means to prevent my lawful ownership of MY car. Overnight? And what about on a day trip visit?

[@warringtonminge4167]

​@@Gazer75 Overnight? On a day trip?

[@Gazer75]

@@warringtonminge4167 If you can't sit for 15 minutes to top up at a charger with an EV made for your needs then you've got other issues tbh. How often do you need to drive 400 miles? No one is controlling what you do with your EV. Card payment is coming so it will be like fueling by tapping your credit/debit card. With Tesla EVs you're registered and payment is automatic. You just plug and charge. I charge where I want when I want with whatever operator I want by planning my trip. Kind of like I never fueled at gas station brands that had overpriced fuel. If you travel a lot then get an RFID from the CPO and tap that. No need to fiddle with the app or whatever. As I said above, card payment is coming. Here in Norway it was required for new stations that ordered hardware after July 1st 2023, and for all existing ones by end of 2025. Circle K here in Norway even have automatic payment for fueling petrol/diesel at some stations if you register and use an app on the phone. It will read the license plate and check that your phone is near or something like that.

[@bordersw1239]

Why would anyone stop at a motorway services to fill up? Almost 30pence per litre more!

[@mkijn999]

Stopping at sensibly priced garages would add too much time to the ICE journey. It's only 90 quid every time after all. Notice how any EV vs ICE always avoids time taken to get to/from cheaper fuel.

[@tobycolin6271]

Nice work this is the first time I haven’t seen 4.5 miles a kWh. I did a similar run and was getting mid 3s. I was beginning to think it was the way I drove but I’m glad someone is getting similar on runs. Thanks.

[@rogerphelps9939]

4.5 miles per kwh is easy provided you don't drive like an idiot.

[@mikadavies660]

I unfortunately have to do 200 and 300 mile journeys. I also NEVER stop for breaks. As such I use an old, but economical, diesel. For all journeys within 100 miles of the house we use the EV. As the EV is massively cheaper.

[@jlrguy2702]

Same here lol. Nissan x-trail with 220k miles on and still going strong, normally stick to 60mph and get regular 66mpg, 830 per tank. Model Y around town. Wouldn’t want to do the miles I do in our EV 3 years it would be over 120k miles out of warranty and worth bugger all. Would lose 35k in depreciation. Your difference will be all of your charging time full stop. You completely fecked up and didn’t stick to the route knob, ruined the whole challenge. You keep doing these comparisons, saying that they need to be like for like, but you all completely miss the point. As I do around 40k miles a year I never by a new car, I normally buy FSH 3-5 yr old high milers. That way they’ve lost all their value, and my mileage doesn’t really matter. I add another 120k miles and sell them on. Diesels as long as you service them will last an age at motorway speeds they aren’t working hard. Probably good for 400k +. Sorry but who in their right mind buys an out of warranty EV? Please.

[@mikadavies660]

@jlrguy2702 Totally logical mate...EVs around town and old diesels on the long run. Your 60+mpg is very economical. As you say... a high mileage Model Y would be worth nothing. A Peugeot, Citroën, Fiat etc haven't even proved that they can do 200,000+ yet. I bet they would be a nightmare to get fixed.

[@smithleon]

you must have a bladder the size of a football.

[@mikadavies660]

@smithleon No idea... My work has always required long journeys/travel. Never gave it a thought. Just travel that way. Essex to Glasgow.... Easy.. non-stop. Sometimes I fly long haul. UK to H.K. no toilet breaks.... However, beer goes straight through me!!

[@neilkelsey1762]

​@@smithleon Haha, that's always my thought seeing these comments!! Like good for you! But I'm going to need to stop lol so EV is the obvious answer for me

[@oscarschmidlappen2302]

Using only one driver and making the trip twice in different vehicles would make the test more accurate.

[@borinvlogs]

different day, different traffic, different result

[@eddthirty4065]

no it wouldn't - different weather and traffic ... exactly the same route will yield more accurate results

[@johnbaker5533]

When you are supercharging the charge remaining for getting the next supercharger often gets messed up. There was no real to charge past the 94% you were on.

[@simonhenry7867]

And left before the BMW?

[@Lewis_Standing]

​@@simonhenry7867no he didn't, he thought he needed more charge as the car was predicting arriving at 3%. But he actually got there with 21%. He stayed to get an almost 100% charge which is a very slow thing to do

[@antwnpowell]

When you say long range - is that rear wheel drive only? Mine has a WLTP of 620 km.

[@I_Dont_Care49]

would use more range because then it's more stress on the motors as with AWD the motors can be more relaxed which takes less power output.

[@BlazeFirereign]

@@I_Dont_Care49 That's not how it works. The vast majority of the time, the motors are *far* below their peak output. They're not experiencing "stress". Indeed, the AWD variants usually only use the rear motor, unless they need more power than a single motor can provide or they need to use both motors for traction or stability. Because using one motor is more efficient, and the rear permanent magnet motor is more efficient than the front induction motor. The RWD cars aren't carrying the extra weight and don't have the less-efficient option to power both motors. The RWD cars achieve better efficiency and, when fitted with the same batteries, better range. It's not a big difference, but it is real.

[@I_Dont_Care49]

@@BlazeFirereign AWD ones are more efficient as it's half of the workload which means that the motors don't need to work as hard which drains less battery.

[@BlazeFirereign]

@@I_Dont_Care49 That's not how motor efficiency, or physics, work. It's also not how AWD Teslas work. They don't split the workload. They use a single motor, most of the time. *Because that's more efficient.* This is easy-to-find information. It's also easy to look up the efficiency of Model 3's. The most efficient Model 3 is the standard, single motor RWD, version. Even though the weight is about the same as the LR dual motor.

[@LoremIpsum1970]

*Where was the BMW diesel?* No comparative power-to-weight ratio in the choice of vehicles, why not? And what was the purchase cost of each? How much was the premium of the Tesla on top of the BMW? (and offset that against long-term costs...esp given how short some people keep cars for these days...) 👎

[@simonhenry7867]

They struggled to organise this test full stop. Did you not watch the video?

[@PenkoAngelov]

One is an AWD 490 hp and 493 Nm of torque, and the other is a 136 hp RWD. You think that is not worth the "premium"? Also - An EV has almost no maintenance, much cheaper cost per mile, much more reliable, slower depreciation and no loss of power over the years.

[@LoremIpsum1970]

@@PenkoAngelov No. What world do you live in? A rich one, I guess🤣

[@PenkoAngelov]

@LoremIpsum1970 In fact... I live in a poor 3rd world post-communist corrupt country. That doesn't change the facts, though. If you buy a second-hand BMW, you'd be in a deep (financial) trouble. Newer ones are even less forgiving (on your wallet). Maintenance and costs only increases with age. Power loss, leaks, contaminations, increased fuel consumption, and so on are just the beginning. With an EV, you get none of that. The price is also nearly equal for comparable (new) vehicles.

[@PenkoAngelov]

@LoremIpsum1970 A Tesla Model 3/Y will always be less expensive in a few years of ownership compared to ICE vehicles in the same class.

[@alexdalgleish1061]

Aside from change of direction you missed chance (as Tesla cheapest public charging rate) for the BM to come off at Carlisle as a Tesco there with cheap fuel which would have added to his journey and saved you some of the time at Rugby. Only a thought.

[@jcfallows]

Stop expecting old evs to do long journeys! They are not fit for that purpose they are just city cars! If you want to do long distance there are plenty of new cars with over a three hundred mile range. You can buy very cheaply a Dacia Sandero dual fuel with an 800+ range of you want cheap long distant travel.

[@chapmandu2]

Nice video which reflects the read world experience of driving an EV. I guess people do drive cars differently but the the Highway Code (rule 91) recommends a rest stop of 15 minutes every 2 hours of driving. Personally for me this matches my body's need for a wee stop and to stretch my legs and not have my back cease up. If you can then plan this stop to coincide with a charging stop then really the additional time spent charging is very minimal. I have a standard range Tesla Model 3 with LFP battery and over xmas I drove from Doncaster to Kent and back in a day, a total of 380 miles. A stop at Cambridge Supercharger for 17 minutes each way was enough charging for the entire journey, and if my destination had had a 7kW home charger then I could have been charging for the 6 hours I was there and may have made it there and back without a rapid charge. And this was in winter at 1-4C...

[@brendanpells912]

The highway code recommendation is precisely that. A recommendation. For the 480 mile journeys to Inverness, I stop once after 4 hours to refuel in Carlisle and grab a snack. 15 minutes at most. I don't actually need to refuel, I just top up because diesel is cheaper there. For me it's important to get there with daylight to spare. With an EV, there is no choice. You have to make more stops and each stop takes longer. Don't try and pretend that's a benefit. It's a limitation.

[@chapmandu2]

Well it's a requirement that you're in a fit state to drive, and the evidence-based recommendation to achieve this is 15 mins rest every 2 hours. Stopping once for 15 mins on a 480 mile journey is quite a long way from that recommendation, and would be illegal for a professional HGV driver.

[@brendanpells912]

@@chapmandu2 That's all I need, and I'm not an HGV driver.

[@GTFour]

@@brendanpells912I don’t personally have an EV but there’s quite a few of them that could do your journey with just one stop to charge as you do already

[@brendanpells912]

@@GTFour Don't forget you can't just go on the nominal range. If you're making a brief stop to rapid charge you're probably going to stop when you're down to 15-20% range and charge up to 80%, so the effective range between stops is about 60% of nominal.

[@tubularG]

I never bother with preconditioning the battery. I doubt the time saved is going to be that great but the impact to actual efficiency will be significant. Charging loses are already enough and never really discussed in reviews. Then you have energy used post trip for battery temperature control, I'm guessing. When i first got my Tesla i would often come out and find it was running fans. Happened enough that i had to stop caring as i knew there was nothing i could do to stop it burning through power whilst stationary. Can you track a month's worth of charging including losses, or a week's worth of a month is too long, and report the actual efficiency for the mileage covered?

[@LoremIpsum1970]

*Where was the BMW diesel?* No comparative power-to-weight ratio in the choice of vehicles, why not? And what was the purchase cost of each? How much was the premium of the Tesla on top of the BMW? (and offset that against long-term costs...esp given how short some people keep cars for...)

[@itsmeagain1745]

A real world challenge would have ended outside the house parked on the street not at a dealer with a supercharger...

[@wiselyauto]

We don't have a Supercharger. 🤷‍♂️

[@itsmeagain1745]

@@wiselyauto But you DO have a charger. Not many roadside parking spots have that.

[@kmf2153]

The Tesla traveled 35 more miles than the BMW, seems like factoring that in to the mix they should have arrived at the same time?

[@wiselyauto]

This is London we are afraid. Longer route avoiding the city centre is often quicker overall.

[@davidsworld5837]

Maybe that route should have been picked from the start who if knowing of a road problem goes on that road road knowledge is everything.

[@yunuspatel780]

Silly test, ofcourse if you have ICE car that's capable of doing the whole journey without a fill up then it will be the winner due to the time factor for charging the EV, filling a car up with petrol or diesel will always be quicker than charging an EV.

[@b4tm4nrubin33]

Tesla will be going on sale at 30% less as it loses so much money 😂😂

[@Yorkshireasaurus]

Who ever calculates all the costs when buying a car? Maybe I’ve got too much money but I don’t ever recall doing it when I didn’t have it. It’s hilarious how anti-EV people cling to every reason not to buy something that would clearly be a better fit for most people

[@smithleon]

surely then this is a good thing for the 2nd hand EV market?

[@b4tm4nrubin33]

@@smithleon the secondhand EV market is a false economy due to battery degradation. The battery will need changing to get any form of fit for purpose range and the batteries cost more than the shell of the car will be, hence they are dog 💩

[@b4tm4nrubin33]

@@Yorkshireasaurus erm most people with a brain who buys a second hand car.

[@trevorberridge6079]

Trolls complain that EVs are too expensive new and too cheap second hand. Make your minds up!

[@davidsworld5837]

Any unfairness is rest breaks yes a petrol or diesel may able to drive non stop but that is unsafe. and food and drinks etc. It is to easy to just say fuel is the only cost for driving an ice car when servicing and parts and replacement of items over time like exhaust. since a petrol car has 2,000 parts. and every one can go. so if a service costs £300 and have to do it every 10k miles then that adds 3p a mile. an ev does not need to be serviced there is no oil changes or sparks etc so no real reason to do one. if you car gets an mot then that is as equal as any service look / check. driving an ice can means gear changes, it is not as relaxing to drive an Ice car Vs an Electric one.

[@Cloxxki]

Isn't it simply fastest to drive fast as allowed and charge when needed? Conserving, when you're on a common long distance route, with fast chargers... What am I missing? Making up 20 minutes by driving faster will cost (for instance) just 5-7 minutes of extra charging.

[@BlazeFirereign]

This is true if chargers are available wherever you're stopping. That's unfortunately very much not the case yet in the UK. Conserving charge through slower driving may allow you to reach a charger that you might not have been able to reach at higher speed. Which might be hugely impactful if chargers are 30, 40, 50 miles apart, as can be the case in the North and in Scotland.

[@rogerphelps9939]

You would be surprised how little time driving fast actually saves.

[@tubularG]

So 3.16 m/kWh according to your calculations

[@jjolla6391]

how much extra tyre wear from the EV ? i suspect this will be more than the fuel savings.

[@Dolph681]

In the real world the BMW would have had full fuel tank in the beginning and stop only once for toilet and meal, one man driver, no passengers/kids. Would have filled at local petrol station, cheaper and not care about fuel the whole trip. I've done 3 day trip in my diesel estate Edinburgh-London-Edinburgh in a single tank with wife and kids, 75l fuel tank capacity and sticking to speed limit.

[@rroosenFB]

Indeed, stupid video to be honest.

[@mistymu8154]

I think you are missing the point. This is not about whether you need fuel on the trip or not. Yes, of course the EV is going to need to stop to charge. However, you are going to have lunch stops, pee breaks etc. The EV will be charging while doing those things while parked up, so apart from the extra minute plugging in, you really aren't losing much time. If you are going to just drive non-stop, then yes, the ICE car is always going to win, but in the real world, you are stopping 15-30 mins, maybe even longer for lunch anyway.

[@rroosenFB]

@@mistymu8154 no, u are completely missing the point. The question is simple, is it quicker. Well the petrol CAN stop, it's optional. The EV HAS to stop.

[@stephenhopwood9787]

Can we see some more long trip but going cross country away from the motorways. Show us what the charger network is like off the beaten track. How about holidaying in a cottage with no charger in a remote area for a couple of weeks. These are real-life situations

[@mastergool]

To be quick, better to aim for two quick charge instead of one to 100%

[@trevorberridge6079]

That is a novice mistake that reviewers make all the time when comparing ICE and EV. Some still don't know how to drive an EV like an EV. You don't wait while you charge, you charge while you wait. Top up every time you stop for the toilet or a bite to eat. You needn't be anywhere for more than 15 minutes for comfort and 30 minutes for sustainence. In a Tesla that is beyond enough time to get a good gulp of electrons.

[@john1703]

What if you cannot use a Tesla supercharger, because you have some other car? A 70 reg 2020 30k mile BMW 1.5 will cost £20k. A similar Model 3 will cost £27k. Both on Autotrader.

[@trevorberridge6079]

A used Renault Zoe in very good condition with 200 miles range can cost as little as £5000.

[@BALANCEDPORTFOLIO]

Tesla is rapidly opening all its chargers to all EVs.

[@rogerphelps9939]

@@BALANCEDPORTFOLIO We really do not need Tesla. There are plenty of alternatives, especially in out of the way places where Tesla chargers are nowhere to be seen.

[@paddyodoors2757]

You dont have to charge the petrol car up over night, surely apples to apples w would see the bmw leaving the night before, it is its main advantage.

[@davebaker8362]

Why did you cheat its shame because even if you were 30 mins later i think. That would be ok Its quite easy to work out how many minutes the difference would have been, Your toal stop time against the stop time of the bmw The answer would be a -b or b-c I havent got an ev i will get one when i cah get one with a 2hudrend mile range for £2000 ish the renault zoe nearly there on my busget but range not good enough

[@jameschick3551]

Should nt have let your Tesla pick route ,, should be normal route for bmw driver,, if you’re being fair,,,,

[@johnwebber4885]

I still can’t get my head round how it’s okay to basically play with an iPad. While are you driving down the road? It must take up a lot of brain power which would otherwise be taken up with driving safely

[@rogerphelps9939]

It is not OK.

[@Jaw0lf]

Having had an Ev for 3 years I would much prefer to drive the Tesla. Range is what you are comfortable with for needing food, drinks or toilet breaks. Ev is quiet, relaxing and they are very easy to drive with a lot of the gadgets that make long trips easy. The Tesla charging speed is amazing and hardly gives you chance to grab a coffee.

[@smithleon]

THIS. Exactly. I have a VW Diesel and a Tesla. I'd choose the Tesla every time regardless of journey type or length, its just all-round better to drive. Honestly, even if it was more expensive, i'd still take it.

[@davidsworld5837]

It is far too easy for people to say my car does 500 miles and I drive it NON stop to were I am going every time. No wonder there is loads of crashes. And if you look the electric car cost less for the trip. was nicer to drive no noise, gear changing. and when you get home no oil stain on the driveway. or having to buy oil etc to keep it topped up.

[@rogerphelps9939]

Why Tesla? the alternatives are now every bit as good if not better.

[@Jaw0lf]

@@rogerphelps9939 You are correct, it is great news that there is choice. I had a Kia E Niro 4+ and when looking at a replacement due to my personal lease ending, I looked at many. Some did not suit for me to get in or out, others lack of space for my son in rear as he is 6'2" as I am. Other options were priced too high. Kia Niro EV or Hyundai Kona EV were actually the best for my needs along with the Tesla Model 3 RWD. Tesla was £39,990 KIa or Kona with similar spec as my 4+ model and having the heat pump were now around £45k So I test drove the Tesla, three times and it was hands down the winner. The screen is amazing and you barely need to touch it whilst driving as it is so well designed. Less buttons less looking to find them. Super smooth and easy to drive, plus half price charging at Tesla Charging stations vs Ionity. It suited me better. People that have different likes/dislikes will no doubt have other cars, but try driving all the suitable ones before buying.

[@smithleon]

@@rogerphelps9939 i don't think anyone is saying ONLY a Tesla, but the video we're talking about featured one so its bound to attract a lot of Tesla owners. The one thing Tesla has to stand out is the charging network. On a trip like this, that is a total game changer.

[@desobrien3827]

Great video guys! Most important, if you have a family of 4 or 5, and you had to stop & charge, add about $60 to feed the bloody kids...just about every YT channel does these long ev trips "alone"! The point is, don't you think is to get where we are going in total comfort, I own & buy cars that please me... long trips we have "lovely drinks" (or thermos of tea & coffee at times) & snacks on board from home. first rule irrespective of food, gas or charging...I want my a/c or heater on full blast if I desire...I fill up at point of departure (yummy Dinosaur Juice for my baby) at the best price...then enjoy the drive. So obviously, I think EV's are totally pointless for long trips...note "long trips". Buggered if my drive anywhere is about me or my passengers watching the screen for state of charge, where to charge, or chargers available... Around town with lots of shortish runs the EV excels...I can have full A/C or heat and focus on the road not those stupid accident causing TV screens.

[@sixy69]

I think it is better that the EV forces you to stop every 200miles or so, to charge up. You can fill up a petrol car and drive much longer without a break. Which is more dangerous. Petrol cars are relics now.

[@daverichardson8918]

😂 yeah stop more often……

[@sixy69]

I take it your a fan of relics?@@daverichardson8918

[@trevorberridge6079]

When I did a two day 890 mile round trip to Scotland and back in my Nissan Leaf it was easier than driving 230 miles to Middlesborough in my old petrol car because instead of trying to press on I had to stop and charge in line with how far my car would go with a 20% safety margin of range. I was driving further than I've ever driven before or since on totally unfamiliar roads mostly in the dark of November, so I left a clear margin of error. Most stops were necessary anyway for one reason or another and they minimised tiredness enormously. I would love to re-create the journey as it's been seven years and the infrastructure has improved beyond recognition. Not that it was a problem at the time because it was faultless and all my charging was free.

[@sooty8992]

I appreciate what you have done with this sort of challenge. But now do it in a lower cost car. The sort of car the avarage person will actually be able to to pertchase. Let's say under 40k and not extended range version's. The car lower income family's will have a budget for. Now I have one more thing you can only pay with debit or credit card.

[@rogerphelps9939]

Plenty of used EVs at vert reasonable prices.

[@MetalVII]

Turned off in the first 2 minutes. If you’re going to do a “comparison” then do a comparison. Was the guy too cheap to buy a 340i touring? 😂 oh yeah, a 1.5 vs an electric car for range, great work guys.

[@clive0]

Get some walkie talkies so you can communicate during the drive

[@mrmawson2438]

It's not about the who can be first but how much EVs eliminate all toxic emissions from engines Switching from an ICE to a BEV instantly eliminates all toxictailpipe pollution such as nitrogen oxides (NOx), carbon monoxide (CO) and hydrocarbons (HC) - not just particles. This is down to there not being a polluting combustion process.

[@trick700]

This is the number one consideration for owning an electric car, particularly significant for city driving

[@stuartburns8657]

Only the NOx is correct. Everything we create has a carbon footprint. Depending on your driving country and it's typical power generation mix, it can take 15-20,000 miles before it breaks even in terms of Co2 manufacturing costs. As grids get greener, EV's get better however, unlike ICE cars. One major negative is their relative propensity to be easily written off (hense EV insurance rising disproportionately) This means the below Co2 payback will never be achieved. "For illustration, the Tesla Model 3 holds an 80 kWh lithium-ion battery. CO2 emissions for manufacturing that battery would range between 2400 kg (almost two and a half metric tons) and 16,000 kg (16 metric tons)"

[@Malpriorvids]

NOx is the tip of the iceberg. What about all the mining using heavy diesel plant, the cost to the environment from this mining, and most importantly the poor child labour used in the mining. But hey, if you can sleep at night knowing tens of thousands of kids lives have been ruined and their life expectancy lowered considerably then you might need to think about your moral codes.

[@stuartburns8657]

@@Malpriorvids Ah. Child and cheap / slave labour. Moral codes? Are you perchance writing that on a modern smart phone, whilst wearing clothes made in sweat shops (but branded) and drinking a Starbucks coffee?

[@Malpriorvids]

@@stuartburns8657 my phone doesn’t have a 75kwh battery, I wear British & European brands, and I can’t stand Starbucks coffee.

[@vc2tb]

Great video 👍👍

[@markrozee]

400 miles in eV costs £8. PETROL costs £80😢😢

[@trick700]

Great video. Tesla has the advantage with their own charging stations. Thank you, really enjoyed the video 😅

[@richardpiper4828]

Great video.Highlights the huge benefits of the Tesla Supercharger network in terms of planning stops and cost and speed of charging. Unfortunately I think the time and cost balance would tip decisively in favour of an ICE if the comparison was made with a lot of EVs that charge slower and have to use the non Tesla public charging network. When the opportunity arises you may like to do a Tesla v a similar EV, such as a BMW i4, to assess efficiency, speed, cost and extra hassle of having to use the general public charging networks.

[@mkijn999]

If the Tesla can charge at destination, its charged next morning. Diesel driver probably has to travel to garage, queue for a pump and maybe queue to pay.

[@trevorberridge6079]

Teslas aren't the only ones that have very fast chargers. And the new generation of 800V chargers put anything currently on the market to shame.

[@richardpiper4828]

@@trevorberridge6079 true but the Tesla Superchargers are supremely reliable and the software integration with the car takes all the hassle out of charge planning.

[@trevorberridge6079]

@@richardpiper4828 The main advantage of Tesla chargers is that they are always in banks as opposed to single units or pairs. So when one fails (and despite their reputation they do) you can plug into another one.

[@michaelgodbold6247]

That titla looks horrendous

[@nottmfunguy]

Shame the test was none and void. We know the ICE car would have made it there first, if using the same route as the Tesla..

[@danny29x]

How is it legal to use the touch screen but ilegal to touch a phone?

[@KentBuchla]

The difference should be obvious to those without an agenda.

[@danny29x]

@@KentBuchla no. The law states you cannot touch your phone with the engine running. Not an agenda, just a legit question.

[@duffman9]

Unless the phone is in a holder. Try and buy a car without a touchscreen

[@mikadavies660]

But if you did this journey with The MacMaster his Porsche EV would have arrived hours later than the fuel car, with chargers broken and the Electricity costing way more than the petrol/diesel.... Not because he makes money from slagging off everything about EVs (whilst owning one)!! Because all of his road trips are so genuine!! 😂😂😂

[@davidsworld5837]

That is because the Macmaster stages the drive. plus his car is rubbish on efficiency near 2 miles to a unit. he has zero skills. he does zero research on anything. but he picks places to charge were he knows there are problems. Do not believe any of the MacMaster videos he is in the petrol camp he hates Ev's and is pushing a fake agenda to get an income from YT.

[@computertutorials1286]

Yes because for now Tesla is the only one with a decent charging network, it's the same here in North America.

[@mikadavies660]

@computertutorials1286 Of course that is true, but not the reason MacMaster took so long. He's a smart guy... deliberately playing to the EVs are useless crowd by finding things like 2 charging stations occupied and kicking off about it (thus earning clicks and money) Whilst a group of unoccupied chargers were a few hundred metres down the road. Every journey he makes its charged to 100% ... So he can kick off about charge times.... etc etc. Apparently playing by the rules but deliberately bending the hell out of them for clicks.

[@trevorberridge6079]

MacMaster is a total MacW@nker. He claimed an old diesel car completely caned a Taycan on a journey from Lands End to John O'Groats. Strangely he couldn't get the Taycan to complete the journey in under 16 hours across two days which other honest car reviewers have done several times in a SINGLE day.

[@rogerphelps9939]

@@computertutorials1286 You are going to regret that in the long run. NACS is archaic tying you into a cartelof suppliers. Here in the UK there are lots of suppliers and that will lead to price competition.

[@jamie-hb8gy]

It's impossible for an Ev to beat a petrol car as it needs to charge end of🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@Gazer75]

You charge over night at destination. No need to go fast charge.

[@jamie-hb8gy]

@@Gazer75 I'm referring to this video which is a 400 mile journey.it'll need another charge before arriving.

[@JS-yn2kj]

Can a Tesla do a 400 Mile Trip QUICKER Than a Petrol Car? NO. You don't need to waste 24+ minutes to get to that conclusion.

[@stevoone342]

I’ll still stick with my good old combustion cars with 700+miles to tank, due I love the freedom and lack of stress of having to plan my route. I can divert or freely explore without any issues or delays. Personally I don’t think the charge times will massively change due to several factors Omes Law, and the grid..

[@rogerphelps9939]

You are probably right about charging times but, since new ICEs are going to be banned, you will have to adapt for all our sakes.

[@daverichardson8918]

So the Beamer would have been an hour plus in front if he had not stopped for lunch and you went the same route…. So ice is better

[@colinnich]

Faster, not better

[@ZA26]

Too expensive to insure one of these cars

[@rogerphelps9939]

Not at all. You need to shop around.

[@ZA26]

@@rogerphelps9939 £2500 a year is a lot to insure a Tesla. LEAF that has 80 miles range was £1000 a year

[@roboliver9980]

I’d be wary of running combustion or ev down to 10% on a motorway the amount of unexpected accidents and tailbacks you come across.

[@pofiPenguin]

Ev barely uses any power while standing still. Been stuck in a few such situations, it's a non-issue even with an extra hour of two of just standing around.

[@PenkoAngelov]

No need to worry about that. All that is using power when stopped, is the heating/cooling. Almost negligible consumption. You can sit for days in a traffic jam.

[@TheComputec]

So what your really saying is buy a BMW 320D Tourer... On a run like this you are looking at 60Mpg It has a range of 670miles, so no stops except for a Greggs and a wee Your insurance will be cheaper, your depreciation will not be as high and if you break down, ANY garage can fix your car

[@b4tm4nrubin33]

Exactly. And you don’t have to watch it burn uncontrollably due to a faulty battery cell 😂 Mmmm Greggs

[@migmigjohnson9351]

Good point. For long range, get a BMW or even a Prius. As an EV owner, I haven't paid for gas or touched a supercharging station in months. Supercharging is in some cases even more expensive than gas.

[@tomcockcroft9394]

There is literally no point buying any other ev than a Tesla

[@johnkramer745]

don't know man.. you put a corolla with a full tank against the model 3 and you wouldnt need to stop even once unless your bladder needs you to.. simple ain't it..

[@garyfromlondon]

There are a lot of cars that would do the 400 mile trip trip without stopping to fill up, including the Tesla model S long range. But you would need to stop anyway for a journey that is at least 6-7 hours driving

[@johnkramer745]

@@garyfromlondon hmm.. used to do the DC to Ohio stretch (500 mile almost) almost every other week.. it came to the point wherein in order to conserve time i would pack my own coffee and fill up the tank when i started and take just one 10 min or less of a break in order to reach home and crash. wonder what that would look like for a model 3

[@garyfromlondon]

@@johnkramer745 What it would look like in a Model 3 would be a much more relaxed drive ..... plus 500 miles is about 8 hours driving at legal speeds, maybe longer if any hold ups on the road. with only a 10 minute break that makes you a very dangerous driver ..... concentration levels go down after 2-3 hours ..... but even if you did do it as you say with a short stop ...... the model 3 could get enough charge in 15-20 minutes midway to complete the whole journey, so not much difference to the petrol car

[@johnkramer745]

@@garyfromlondon cant deny the relaxed drive part. M3 is insanely calming on the interstate, i agree. with all the cameras / sensors the car is quite secure to drive. i used to enjoy my drive considerably (music / audiobooks) and the I-68 is barren for the most part so never once had that scenario of loss of attention / concentration. a 20 min stop on a M3 aint no biggie if it can pull it off though.

[@MrMed-hl2fq]

If there were no charging ports available and you had to wait (like happens here in the US) OR he he just re-fuled and left your entire plan would be shot.

[@borinvlogs]

How do people in the US manage to do that when Tesla tells you exactly how many chargers are available, how much they cost, how fast they charge, what facilities are available nearby? Murica, Murica, you are full of surprises just like what happened in Chicago when the rest of the world have no issues.

[@wiselyauto]

The Tesla navigation system knows the live station availability and recalculates the route based on this information if needed to avoid any queues where possible.

[@KentBuchla]

America has huge infrastructure issues due to lack of investment and a poor understanding and relationship with taxation.

[@KentBuchla]

America has huge infrastructure issues due to lack of investment and a poor understanding and relationship with taxation.

[@chrishar110]

@@KentBuchla Murica lost the common sense, and logic. They shout about land of freedom but they lost the freedom to live and choose years ago. The only thing they still have is the freedom to carry a gun, to defend themselves if somebody shots them at the traffic light or at the school.

[@Meadie69]

Decent vid, well done drivers! Shows just how far EV tech has come along in recent years. And should probably highlight just how stale the ICE tech has been in decades.

[@galaxyboots]

Hey Wisely....Probably not 'wisely' to publicise driving on the roads with an illegal placement of front number plate. 🤣

[@wallishaines7247]

bs, do it in a 4 year old car both ev and petrol or diesel include buy cost install of charger and new tyres for both

[@duffman9]

They did it in a 3 year old ev and 5 year old diesel of almost the same value. So what’s your point

[@donaldsivewright903]

I have done my own comparison between a Tesla 3 Long Range (£50,000) and a BMW 318i M Sport (£42,000) using your stated 45 MPG and 3.4 m/kwh over 10,000 miles/year with a home charging rate of 27p/kwh and £1.4/gall and it would take 13 years to recover the extra cost of the car in reduced fuelling costs. If I increased the electric cost to 35p/kwh to allow for some fast charging this extends out to 21 years. This more or less ties in with your own numbers as the Tesla is saving 4p/mile or £400 for 10,000 miles so it would take 20 years to cover the extra £8,000 that the Tesla costs over the BMW. For me it just does not make financial sense as electric cars are way too expensive. In addition I could not accept the extra hassle finding charging points and being forced to look for one every 200 miles. No thanks and you will never convince me.

[@zilspeed]

There are many points I could raise to argue with your post, but I'll never convince you apparently, so won't bother.

[@stuartburns8657]

Moving to an EV like any large financial decision needs weighing up against your own personal circumstances. Too many EV owns harp on about the 'savings' but that is often a very tenuous reality, and when you dig a bit deeper you typically find something like this: 1. Person x regularly swaps their car every 3-4 years (lease or whatever) 2. Doing 10-15k annual mileage with ICE, and will do the same with EV. 3. ICE car had modest to low mpg 4. ICE car had high road tax and insurance group. 5. Can home charge on a cheap EV tariffs (

[@markburton8303]

The home charging rate can be 7.5p a kWh, so 2.5p per mile and cheaper can be possible for the majority of driving. For the vast majority of driving it is vastly cheaper. I've done my own calculations against a Toyota Corolla self charging hybrid doing 54mpg, so quite a lot more efficient than this BMW, working out a 10-11p per mile. It's just a calculation of how much you charge publicly. Obviously, it only works if you are used to leasing etc. There's no point comparing costs on a new EV and associated purchase price VS a bag of shit old Passat.

[@donaldsivewright903]

@@markburton8303 A relative recently bought a Mercedes EQA so I compared the running costs with the equivalent GLA which is around £12,000 less to buy. Even using 7.5p/kwh over 10,000 miles/year it would take 9 years to recover the extra purchase cost through reduced fuelling costs and that is assuming 100% home charging. The more non home charging you do the greater this break even point gets. Most people change their car every 3-4 years at most so you will never reach this break even point. I also looked at leasing costs for 10k/year over 3 years. EQA was £39,000 and the GLA was £27,000, a difference of £12,000 to recover through reduced fuelling costs to just break even. Using 7.5p/kwh I calculate the saving per year to be around £1,400 for 10,000 miles/year so in 3 years the saving is £4,200 which is clearly nowhere near the additional lease cost of £12,000. Factor in some non home fast charging and that difference will be greater. That is a lot of extra money to have an electric car. This is why it is being reported that the high purchase cost of EVs is a major stumbling block. It only potentially works if it is a company car with the tax benefit and that is why the take up of EVs by private buyers is stagnating. I can’t afford to throw away that much money just to get an EV, never mind my concerns with the charging infrastructure and the concerns over where depreciation might go as the EV market is still quite volatile. If you think it works for you that’s fine but it doesn’t work for me.

[@stuartburns8657]

@@markburton8303 Thing is Mark, an awful lot of cars in the UK are 2nd, 3rd or 4th hand pieces of 's' lol

[@SeanF374]

Ideal world - EV for town/daily driving. Comfy diesel estate for long range trips. Sports car for Sunday mornings. If you don't have access to home charging, forget the EV and get a petrol hatchback instead. Trying to do everything with less than 3 cars requires that you pick one or two and live with the compromises. There is no point in minimising or denying the compromises.

[@trevorberridge6079]

I don't have home charging and have driven my EV well over 90,000 miles in the eight years I've owned it. That includes an 890 mile round trip to Leith just North of Edinburgh. I set off on a Tuesday morning and came back the next day. And that was in a 24kwh Leaf that is low range by today's standards. I've only ever owned one car at a time and my Leaf has proved at least as useful and versatile as the three ICE cars I own previously, my lovely trio of Ford Fiestas. There's nowhere I haven't been able to go and no task my Leaf hasn't been up to. Home charging is nice. But, you don't HAVE to charge at home anymore than you HAVE to charge at expensive public chargers. Not withstanding the fact that I charge completely for free at the local supermarket whenever I'm shopping there. I've never been given free petrol when I shop.

[@SeanF374]

@trevorberridge6079 . Most people don't have access to free supermarket charging so your experience isn't typical. It also means that you are either waiting there for it to be charged or you are leaving it there and are walking home. Whatever way you are doing it, it is a compromise over having your car parked outside your house. Also, there is no denying that using a diesel is the best way to do a long distance drive. EVs can do long range drives but they are less flexible as has been shown by even the most positive of these comparison videos. This is not a bad thing but, if we are ever going to get away from the pro EV/anti EV bullshit, both sides need to be more honest about the compromises needed for a typical driver.

[@trevorberridge6079]

@@SeanF374 Free charging is no compromise.

[@SeanF374]

@trevorberridge6079 . I noticed that you swerved my question. Do you wait for it to charge or do you leave it there and walk home? Either is a compromise. If you can't see this, you are part of the problem.

[@trevorberridge6079]

@@SeanF374 Didn't swerve anything. Heard all this weak bullshit before. Let me make it simple. I piug in, I shop, I unplug, I drive away with free electrons in my battery. Let me know when you suffer the "compromise" of getting free petrol while you shop.

[@paulatkins-rf7pm]

The BMW probably had 350+ miles of range left. The Tesla started full and ended near empty, so the cost per mile is rubbish. I love hybrid cars I have had one for 8 years, BMW X5 40e & 45e. I charge at home but on a long journey ,400 miles, I can do about a third on battery, but locally I can do it all on battery power and mostly charge at 7.5p per KWh at home at cheap off peak rates. My X5 40e has done 13,500 miles in total and the engine has done about 940, less than 7% but I could drive anywhere I want with no long charging stops. PHEV Hybrids are the best.

[@rogerphelps9939]

Hybrids are a con. For once "Dave Takes It On" is right.

[@davidhughes7665]

My honda civic diesel does 60 plus miles per gallon no contest 😂

[@WWmbgWW]

Hang on… less than 5 mins in and your saying “to keep this fair… you have to take the same route that’s best for me to charge”’🤣. Meanwhile Waze will kick in to avoid delays but the Tesla won’t like that!

[@trevorberridge6079]

You seem to have missed out the bits where Arthur in the EV waited for Eddie in the ICE.,

[@penttiperusinsinoori3037]

I do not understand these tests. I drove south Finland to lapland about 800km.. i put petrol under 5min range 760km in cold weather. I stopped only one time 15min. That trip takes 2 hours or more with EV. This winter was colder than last year and many of EV came back on trailer😂

[@thomasdawson8509]

You’re never going too please everyone as both cars have advantages and disadvantages if you travel short distances then the ev on cheap rates charging at home sounds like a good option but long distances and expensive chargers even it out and possibly in favour of diesel. Power is something that is more in favour of the ev as the basic car has decent performance if it’s a Tesla . Reliability and running costs of either is something to consider . No oil changes or dpf or injectors or exhaust etc on an ev but if it’s out of warranty the battery and motor is possibly going to scrap it. It’s all about what you like or dislike 😐

[@trevorberridge6079]

The battery is not "going to scrap it". The average ICE car is replaced after six years and scrapped after 12 years. People are still using EVs on original batteries from 2010. The batteries and motors outlast the rest of the car. A limousine Tesla in America did over 900,000 miles on the original motor and battery pack. The suspension, panels, tires, interior and sundry parts common to all cars needed replacing or repairing as they do in ICE vehicles. But the drive chain mechanics didn't need any more than regular service checks. There's a video about it if you wish to look it up.

[@niceboy60]

I don't like the Idea of a Car telling me where to stop & how long to Stop for I like to pick my Stops, when, where & how long I want it, It's about Freedom 😳

[@koskos758]

Then don't, You are not shacled to the car.

[@Mr11ESSE111]

none Ev no matter how much hp cannot do quicker then 90-100hp gasoline car or even weaker especially diesel ones on this mileage even double less milleage or more !! Gasoline car dont need to stop at all for this journey or if it stops it can refuel basically in 10-15 seconds enough fuel

[@johntaphouse5235]

i dont understand the premise of this test.. you both can only go the speed limit, so what are you expecting, i can only expect you both to arrive at the same time, if you both leave fully fuelled then unless a refill is need in which case the EV will be trounced

[@BlazeFirereign]

The premise is literally the first line of the description. "The age old question - how much slower is an electric car on a long road trip, if at all!?" In other words, they're challenging your assertion that if "a refill is needed, the EV will be trounced". And if you couldn't be arsed to watch the whole video and just clicked the timestamp to the conclusion in the description, you'd hear the answer and explanation.

[@trevorberridge6079]

The EV can fuel at the same time as the driver visits the toilet or eats. So you lose little if any time when charging. Only if you force the already not "real world" conditions to include not being allowed to stop for anything other than fuel does the ICE vehicle definitely win. If I were driving the Tesla in an actual "real world" test I would expect to arrive no worse than within 10 minutes either side of the ICE as has been the case in many properly conducted copmparisons.

[@jagjay8033]

who would have thought tesla drivers lie and cheat about there cars

[@spiderswebs11]

You cheating made the whole video pointless....

[@albertsmith1048]

Good try but no cigar. Take off another 30 minutes of the BMW consuming fish and chips and the time will be getting on for one hour quicker. Waiting to charge, which you luckily avoided would have put another 45 minutes on at a minimum, so now it's getting closer to two hours behind the BMW. To make these trips real world both drivers stick to the exact same constraints. Both have food and water on board so no stopping for fish and chips which is unfair on the ICE car, just toilet breaks. Then compare times, but doubtful it will happen, why, because the EV would be beaten EVERY time.

[@michael.randall5034]

The big factor would be is the charger free. If it wasn't you would be in trouble.

[@shaunkeasey3674]

It was only so close as the petrol driver stopped for food while the electric car charged. If he'd just grabbed a sandwich and driven on the gap would have been much bigger. Bit manipulated really.

[@zimissscameras]

lol the price don't be fooled its gonna be more expensive later than a petrol car , its cheap now cos gov wants u to buy this shit

[@rogerphelps9939]

This shit is going to save the world. Seems you are quite happy to steal our grandchildren's futures for a bit of instant gratification.

[@Karl-Benny]

my ford territory 4 litre Petrol will do it non stop so no

[@user-tc5sl6bu8l]

Whilst petrol and diesel exists current EVs are not appropriate for long journeys if time is important.

[@KentBuchla]

Perhaps based upon the single factor you’ve given. In real life, there are many factors that informed people consider.

[@Jaw0lf]

The long journey is down to the driver in need of toilet breaks, coffee and food. On long trips over 400 miles I have only done a couple but I found my EV outlasted me or my wife. If it is time crucial, you leave earlier, why would you not build in time for closed roads, accidents, roadworks etc? Going to an ariport for a flight I would give an hour extra for the just in case. Time is something you can be in control of!

[@jimpackard8059]

This video simply shows that and old BMW is a way better way to travel than that Tesla. Life is too short to waste it hanging around at charging stations staring into space,wandering around miserable service stations.

[@trevorberridge6079]

What percentage of the population do you think drives 400 miles from Scotland to England on any kind of regular basis? I drove my 24kwh Leaf 437 miles to Leith north of Edinburgh, 16 miles around town in the morning and then 437 miles back home. 890 miles in two days. It's a journey I did for experimental purposes. It's not a journey I would ever do outside of research, experiments or challenges. Not in an EV and not in an ICE. These are not normal journeys. They are in fact nearly twelve times further than most people ever drive on any day. And that is a globally constant statistic.

[@MegaWilderness]

I have a 700 mile range and bladder. My 10 year Citroën C3 Picasso will slaughter both your times and costs.

[@Malpriorvids]

Imagine an alternate universe where people had only ever used EVs and someone invented a gasoline engine. Overnight, refuelling was cut from hours to a couple of minutes, the range was significantly increased, you could always be warm in winter and cool in the summer. The take up would be fantastic……as would driving.

[@colinnich]

You forget that, for most people most of the time, refuelling an EV literally is overnight. And virtually free. Think again - people would laugh at your noisy, unreliable fossil burner.

[@Malpriorvids]

@@colinnich at best, 43% of homes do not have a private driveway. That’s well over 25,000,000 people in the UK alone! 99% of those without a driveway still drive ICE vehicles, but this will become an increasingly difficult situation once ICE cars are outlawed. So in an alternate universe people would laugh at a noisy unreliable fossil burner…….as opposed to people in this universe laughing at those driving their dangerous, unreliable, expensive, depreciating milk floats!

[@Gazer75]

@@Malpriorvids In your fictional world people would have a spot for their EV as everyone would have built their home ready for home charging. They don't build apartments without a parking garage under it these days. And many living in a city don't even own a car or need one. If they do need a car rarely there are car sharing services. In my nearest city those have dedicated street parking lots with charging.

[@Malpriorvids]

@@Gazer75 so refuelling still takes hours, the range is still absolutely rubbish, and you still have to be cold in winter and hot in the summer while driving? Either YOUR alternate universe is stuck in an EV dark age, or your imagination has been stunted by something!

[@Gazer75]

@@Malpriorvids With an 11kW home charger you'd fill up that battery over night anyway. Lets say 10kW after losses and as you never get theoretical max anyway. That is 60kWh in 6 hours. Simple math. So if your EV does 200Wh/km or 3.1 mile/kWh, which is not uncommon for big bulky SUVs, you can drive around 186 miles or 300 km. Mine use that in cold winter (-15C or so), but is as low as 130-140Wh/km in summer. For most people the car is idle way more than that. And in a fictional world where EVs were the norm there would be charging options everywhere. All parking lots and employee parking at work. The "fuel" cost is a fraction of the petrol/diesel price. Can't imagine you pay more than 10-15p/kWh at home even in the UK. Not a whole lot of fossil cars can preheat or cool the cabin before you arrive at the car. Pretty much all EVs do this if you want. I had a Webasto diesel heater in my previous car that heated up the coolant and the cabin.

[@eliorchervin]

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[@michaeltutty1540]

I give up. You lot are dangerous. Never use cruise control unless the roads are dry. You are asking for a bostload of trouble.

[@lanehogger1532]

Bad for fuel consumption too.

[@chrishar110]

What? No CC if the roads are not dry?

[@WWmbgWW]

… or talk through a lovely graphic about battery usage whilst doing 70 in CC in the slow lane behind a van doing 50.

[@chrishar110]

Do you know that we live in 2024? Cars have ABS, ESR and antispin the last 30 years. Even a 25 yoo truck has all these. I drive at least 400 miles every night since 1990 and I never had a problem anywhere in Europe even on icy roads. I believe that you are still on 1970s

[@roboliver9980]

Cars like the Tesla have smart cc that adapts to vehicles ahead using radar.

[@pauljohnson9326]

Cant talk or even touch a phone but its ok to look at these monstrosities of tablets stuck on the dash , not to mention reading small print. As for this video it was very well done and although im not a fan of evs and believe they have no business being on our roads apart from running around town if you can charge at home that is. We should not be forced to buy and use these things at all. On top of that the government have to a point and will continue to raise prices of them . Its ridiculous!!