40K Darktide Is (still) Terrible

Not a single brick from a hecking wholesome Ogryn protecting the Lil'Ones can save this game...
Thank you to ‪@telopots‬ and Crab (the guy is a real ghost, so no handle) for making this video 100x times better.
Outro animation nabbed from ‪@Janfon1‬
Patreon: patreon.com/user?u=82599700
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
05:07 Technical Issues
16:57 Design Issues
27:13 Balancing Issues
45:23 The issues with the atmosphere
49:48 The Awful Mission Select Screen
51:57 The worst crafting system ever created
56:15 Conclusion
1:01:18 Hope
#darktide #vermintide #fatshark

[@telopots]

putting map selection problems ahead of crafting problems makes you a real KING TOTAL MISSION BOARD DEATH

[@Lux_Ferox]

I'll be honest, the actual gameplay itself is extremely well excecuted and fun. From the moment you start a match til the end is an absolute banger. It's because of this reason that I will still continue to play this game until it dies.

[@pmancer]

The melee is fun but the ranged feels a bit added in.

[@Lux_Ferox]

@@pmancer Have you used a boltgun? It feels great.

[@palecaptainwolfkayls8499]

⁠@@Lux_Ferox Good gun or not, they probably meant by how gunplay in this game feels secondary. Which it sort of is, since VT didn’t have much significant range. Sometimes though, gunplay really feels uncomfortable. Especially with precision and suppression, as said in the vid, meanwhile the problem can more often than not be solved with flanking melee (and/or Warp) instead.

[@samfish2550]

@@palecaptainwolfkayls8499 fair. But I'm honestly ok with that balance. Melee is your defense, you're get off me, your baseline. While guns fill in on off time as limited but (ideally) potent or flexible options that you swap to in order to stay adaptable. It is secondary, outside of builds that really focus on it. But it's secondary in a way that plays well with the melee in most cases. (Some guns are more balanced around big performance, those tend to be hit and miss in regards to feel.)

[@MARTELLUS61]

ogryn sex is the only thing that can save this game...

[@magicschoolbass]

Hidden ogryn s*x scene unlockable by buying every single slopshop cosmetic

[@The_Mythical_Potato]

Ogryn woman update when

[@pyark]

Let's be real though, the only reason the shit in this game annoys us so much is because if we dive far enough below it there is an actual banger of a game that could be perfect, if not covered in an ocean of shit.

[@magicschoolbass]

Exactly, the have the potential to make THE best PVE game ever and the just sit on it.

[@majorblitz3846]

@@magicschoolbass So, the game is good at some point, but it has more flawed bits than Payday 2? Asking for a suggestion before buying.

[@magicschoolbass]

@@majorblitz3846 I would wait until they update crafting, the game is still VERY rough

[@earlgrey9319]

For me the problem is Vermintide 2 existing

[@SoraTheKobold]

i looooove GAMBLING, thank you Hadron for helping feed my GAMBLING addiction

[@magicschoolbass]

90% of gamblers stop right before they about to hit a big one, never forgetti

[@willbland981]

Fatshark can't decide if they are going to be Bathesda or Blizzard

[@illfreak821]

lmao i love how everything you talked about could be answered with "it used to be way worse"

[@magicschoolbass]

It really is crazy, isn't it?

[@azodiack]

Im shocked that this is the first video i have ever watched to cover all of those micro stub and silent specials. I havent seen any other video disscus that and I thoguht it was just a me issue. Great video btw.

[@BiomechanicalBrick]

33:10 marksman's focus doesn't really force you to stand still marksman's focus is a less braindead version of weapons specialist. It makes ranged combat more skillful because you'll want to always go for headshots in order to not waste the talent points you've put into getting the talent: if you don't improve your headshot rate you lose this value. You can still dodgeslide and do all the usual darktide gameplay and not waste these talent points you've invested as long as you're killing an enemy in the head every few seconds. Otherwise this video is bloody fantastic

[@pile_ofsalt]

You guys summed it up perfectly at the end. Is there a game that pleases all types of players 100%? Super casuals, casuals, average gamers, hardcore players, and professional players all in one place? I guess not. As far as I know, the two people you were talking with on Discord are both streamers making their wage from streaming (I guess), thus they are professional gamers who can sink thousands upon thousands of hours into a game. Of course, when you surgically dissect a game, you find so many flaws it might disgust you. (Blessed be the machine god because the flesh only betrays you.) For casual players who do not think too much because they don't have that amount of time to give to this game, this is a true blast and a gem on the market. As you all mentioned, it's so unique and special that it can be considered its own genre. Great video, though.

[@magicschoolbass]

True, but there is a ton of games that pleases any amount of time invested. Also they are both testers now, but Telo still streams from time to time

[@lubu6707]

i couldn't imagine myself being born european and sounding like this.

[@magicschoolbass]

It's even worse than you think, I am from the worst part of europe imaginable

[@Stefanius058]

​@@magicschoolbass you are french? Im sorry for your loss of sanity bro.

[@slash8297]

@@magicschoolbass man if you rolled anything but moldova - you're good to live even if you're a le oui oui baguette frenchie that eats nothing but frogs

[@GrognakTheBarbarian]

it´s a good game, good feeling, accurate to the lore but you wait for 40 min update and then the game is basically the same as before. fuck online games, fuck this one and fuck all the others. offline single player games is where all the legends were born.

[@palecaptainwolfkayls8499]

It was either offline single player, or locally hosted multiplayer match games that were goated.

[@wallabykrastus4877]

wait a minute... you're a bass and they are sharks ... something smells fishy

[@magicschoolbass]

That explains a lot actually

[@Hysterion]

They made a wheel in vermintide 2 and reinvented it as a triangle in darktide...😂

[@Ix99oblivion]

Vermintide bros, we cant stop winning!

[@magicschoolbass]

Except for that whole versus thing

[@tenyearsinthejoint1]

@@magicschoolbass Unbalanced as all hell but still fun

[@blancoblack8298]

There is no way you complained about some of the elites, complained about the amount of it and some of them being removed and you STILL said smite is garbage and you shouldn't pick it while spamming left click only in the clips, this is easily one of the most broken blitz in higher difficulty and people bashing on it shows, you said it was garbage and still said it trivialize the game...pick a side man. The whole video I don't think you understood any of the classes and "builds" you can have on them, bashing ogryn while on most game it can be the clutchiest class, I agree zealot is easy but honestly it's just kerillian and saltz combined so idk. There's a lot of truth in this video but the gameplay aspect and especially difficulty and classes I'm not entirely with you

[@ExtraAttack146]

Yeah when it came to the gameplay takes it's hard not to say skill issue but that's really what it comes down to in a lot of cases. Dude is just mid at darktide and watching him playing the whole video explains more about why he's upset than anything he said.

[@BiomechanicalBrick]

I must be living in a society because I was actively thinking about Pathologic yesterday and today I'm hit with its music in a Darktide video of all places

[@darktitan3025]

Ive never played Darktide but love your schizo editing. Very pleasant background music while I grind 30 Rons in Kiwami 2

[@magicschoolbass]

I can not ask for a better viewerbase holy shit

[@lucerne7537]

I have said performance issues. Like you said in the technical Issues chapter. For me, it's particles. Someone shot at a fire barrel? I go from 120 fps to 80. Bio-lightning psyker on the team? PowerPoint 2016, here i come. Some maps also just bizarrely run worse than others.

[@magicschoolbass]

Same with the maps, but my fps usually drops to single digits whenever I have more than 1 Tox Flamer on the map

[@lucerne7537]

@@magicschoolbass And some of the peabrains on the DT discord immediately accuse me of being incapable of maintaining my Computer whenever i bring stuff like this up. Does anyone havea fix to this other than reinstalling everything? No. Will fatshart fix this? Probably not.

[@magicschoolbass]

@@lucerne7537 I don't think they even can fix it, it's so specific for everyone. One of my mates just crashes every time we play Carnival, and even Fatshark does not know why

[@lucerne7537]

@@magicschoolbass Swedish magic

[@valknightdarkknight6002]

Darktide bros we are so back

[@skipperdipper5186]

Hey, I agree with most your points which sucks because I love this game, but I do have solution for the loading problems in case you didn't know about it. You just need to put the game in the SSD, usually the C: Drive. No joke, loading is 5 times faster and the game crashes less (in my experience). The loading times shouldn't be this long on HDD's, as it almost pulled me and my friends from this game, and it most certainly has pulled other players from it but ObeseFish is surely fixing this as I type...

[@magicschoolbass]

Hey, I will try that, thanks

[@YaMaTo999Vir]

Its really that awful? Iean, its so hard to believe. Especially after very well done, but not perfect Vermintide 2? With patches i saw how devs in Vermintide 2 much more reliable than many many others. I mean more than shitty game features - shitty regional price is what scares me away from trying that game.

[@ramirovallejos5437]

Ah yes i was hyped over this and the editing of the intro alone is already amazing as always

[@craigpoltenovage9148]

Agree on most points but strong disagree on Psyker blitzes. Brain burst is not even remotely comparable to either of the revolvers and its offensive to revolvers to equate them. When the game launched brain burst was much better, but currently it’s just better and easier to use a gun or almost any staff to deal with ranged enemies. You use it against monsters, crushers, bombers, and snipers because if you use it against anything else any moderately good team will have killed it before your brain burst goes off. Smite is also not even close to the worst blitz when smoke grenades exist in the game. Smite has absolutely saved runs for my teams that I repeatedly failed on using other Psyker builds such as Hab Dreyko with auric maelstrom modifiers such as poxburster swarms, hunting grounds, and mutant swarms. It’s definitely not the best blitz in the game by a long shot, I definitely agree with that, but it is a powerful situational tool that you take due to certain modifiers, additionally if you aren’t killing things with smite that is entirely on you, the Psyker kit gives you so many ways to boost its damage and duration that you can easily kill every enemy in the game except monsters and ogryns. Definitely don’t whip it out against a few dregs and a couple poxwalkers, but definitely pull it out to trivialize a pox hound swarm or freeze a horde of maulers and crushers.

[@magicschoolbass]

Perhaps the revolver was not a really good comparison, but Helbore is more like it. With empowered psyoniks brain burst comes out fast and on certain maps, like torrent it can be very good against enemies that are far away. As for smite, it never is good. A pack of hounds, mutants and crushers is NOT a threat, crushers die from a wet fart, and everything else is just free CDR for the veteran nothing else. Plus it's just not fun for your team to deal with, so it adds up to it's shittiness even more

[@craigpoltenovage9148]

@@magicschoolbass when quickplaying packs of hounds and mutants can easily end a run if you get caught in a fire pool, thrown into a demon host, thrown into an immovable horde, halted and then wailed on by poxbursters, tossed out of a shield into the waiting snipers and gunner who can instantly kill you, have so many clog up your screen so you can’t see or interact with the more important enemies like trappers, bombers, and ragers pre new patch, or rip you off an important revive or support action like dropping a crate or providing a stim . I almost exclusively solo que into auric maestroms and when in those random lobbies smite can be a very usable tool that can stop your team from getting separated or overwhelmed. I agree on the fact it is nowhere near as good as the top blitzes in the game, especially compared to assail which basically offers all the benefits of smite and more (with less cc), but I do think you need to be looking at the ability more in context with the rest of psykers kit and what options they have for build variations, especially surrounding toughness generation, cooldown reduction, and maintaining a clear set of goals for a team. The average solo queing player (which is the majority of players) does not have the reaction time or ability to perfectly doge or manage hordes, hounds, muntants, and trappers 95-100% of the time like the truely dedicated fans with 4500 penance scores do. I also get your point of it being annoying and taking up so much of the screen with particle effects, which I agree is a problem and should be considerably toned down as multiple smites can blind any player. I also definitely agree that smite is the worst PSYKER blitz, but I cannot agree on it being the absolute worst blitz in the game when the smoke grenade exists in its current form. Just to fully reiterate about smite, smite on its own is ass, smite when properly added to a build or type of mission is pretty okay, and even at its worst it still does marginally better than smoke nade. Brain burst Psyker all the way.

[@craigpoltenovage9148]

@@magicschoolbass The helbore comparison is much better I agree. I currently am loving a purgatus staff telkine dome warp charge build that uses the brain burst perk that reduces warp cost and charge time after ability use for a set period and it is pretty good and makes brain burst feel fairly similar speed and target wise to my veteran helbore builds. Definitely allows for more varied targets.

[@Stefanius058]

@@magicschoolbass idk, it really depends on the team you roll with, Smite can be good when you play with randoms.

[@pelinaattori2000]

what darktide did you play if the brain burst on launch was good? psyker was the worst class by far cause most of his builds were awful, brain burst scaled HORRIBLY (it still kind of does but some talents help with it a lot) it took 3 bursts to kill mutants, 2 bursts to kill hounds and it did pathetic damage to bosses, veteran was just all around better class than psyker, well it was better than any class but psyker and veteran were both more anti-special/elite classes rather than horde clearers note that i actually like the brain burst the best out of psyker blitzes, the problem i have with psyker blitzes that either you use them 90% of the time *cough* assail... *cough* or you basically never use them, i like burst because its so situational, killing some long distance sniper or weakening a crusher or killing hounds etc. so its good situational tool, i even have builds where i never use the blitz basically so i take the burst with the enchancement that gives you chance to prog the burst explosion with 15 second CD timer, burst is good now but it was horrible on launch, psyker overall was horrible, it still kind of is, its talents and abiltiies do not sync with eachother that well sometimes even hindering their abilities somewhat, the talents are really buggy and unbalanced (disturb destiny sometimes just refuses to mark enemies and there is some UI bugs when you cannot see your stacks, this same is for the warp charges also, you just cant see the stacks sometimes. in the end i think psyker is the worst designed class in the game and the talents feel extremely rushed, buggy and untested

[@BlahoMark15]

ah that intro... it reminds me of me desperately trying to get my Veteran to lvl 30 but anytime I was near a mission being finished I got disconnected and ofc I didn't get the xp or anything out of it. I spend like 3 days playing in whatever free time I had after work trying to get done like 2-3 missions done without disconnecting, so I can at least have ONE class at lvl 30.

[@magicschoolbass]

That was Ogryn for me, I feel ya man

[@cyberleaderandy1]

Yep had quite a few drop outs on Xbox, the most recent right after i got a skull penance ready to pick up but obviously cant complete the game to collect it

[@randygandy]

I haven't played Darktide in about a year and a half, sad that it's still not any better.

[@flailmail7069]

Games still in early access 2 years after launch

[@magicschoolbass]

Uh, no, it does not say so on the steam page 🤓

[@flailmail7069]

@@magicschoolbass lol it should

[@vancheng2000]

a lot of nice critic, but man fire in darktide is akin to gas globes in v2 - cant see shit and have to w8 sometimes

[@magicschoolbass]

Fire is way worse than a gas globe, it's A LOT more frequent, does way more damage and is harder to see through

[@shanehunt3019]

I'm gonna have to hard disagree on most of the balance points made. Not really going to go into detail because if you think zealot knife is the *best* and relic is trash, the only thing I can say is you're the type of WoW player that stands in fire and wonder why he dies. Audio and visual clutter, absolutely. Trash gatcha crafting, hell yeah. The damn obsession fatshark has with data obfuscation, absolutely.

[@magicschoolbass]

Hold on let me pick something better than infinite instakill projectile. Tbf new flash is kinda good, but you are probably gonna use it 6 times per 40 minute mission max. Magnet is garbage and you know it though, come on, there is no world where you pick it over gamebreaking stealth and no cooldown dash. And it has some of the worst perks in the path too

[@nojiyukii]

bro relic is trash

[@PreemSardine]

is this three hour conversation between you guys available where we can listen to it?

[@magicschoolbass]

It should be, but I am a moron and accidentally deleted it

[@dylanackerman1101]

I love the game I hope they improve so it can reach vermintide especially because I prefer 40k to fantasy

[@Gizzor]

0:32 sneed posting in feed, gotta sub now

[@stompie5233]

I disagree with a lot of your complaints about this game, but you made a good and fun video. Thumbs up!

[@palecaptainwolfkayls8499]

I agree with a bunch of points here (mainly technical), and disagree with other points (mostly class stuff). Editing cool, but when points are bogged down by bias and angry word salad that I don’t feel, I don’t know if there’s a real argument or understanding there, or if it’s KZbin haha funny points. Still, although I play Darktide happily, Vermintide 2 better, I’m glad I have Gamepass so I don’t need to pay for Darktide.

[@Binman35]

fatshark have never been good with sound, enter V2 hook rat that sounds a mile away, when its actually right behind you....

[@magicschoolbass]

Hookrat was very stupid at times

[@ThePizzaGoblin]

Dont forget the same 3 objectives over and over

[@malekachir4771]

I Dare you to get the hotline Miami 1 and 2 achievements

[@zennr_]

Is that a new mic or am i too deeply 'jonged in my brain. Anyway, happy to finally have another fish video to watch.

[@magicschoolbass]

I am just constantly messing with my audio, trying to find what settings sound better

[@zennr_]

@@magicschoolbass so im not completely 'jonged in the head yet. Sounded fine to me atleast.

[@KingsEy3]

YeY magicschoolbass is back

[@kivati]

Darktide is honestly one of the best games I've ever played, and I've been gaming since the 80s, that's a lot of games!

[@BR1SK33]

When I played Darktide, I played a solid 60 hours, and it was the most fun I’ve ever had using a melee weapon, when my GPU broke tho, I was so upset, it’s the best casual game that has active devs, especially as somebody with 10x the hours on Payday 2 as Darktide it was a breath of fresh air that I’d kill to get back… one day, I’ll get a new system

[@magicschoolbass]

Active devs is a bit of a stretch, but yeah, the game is extremely fun when it works

[@flailmail7069]

The devs are not active lmao 2 years and the games still in early access

[@fusselgammler469]

I STRONGLY disagree with a lot of your points, especially on the balancing part. Audio (at least for me) is rarely fucked, the spawn sounds are the only things that sometimes go missing. But the "danger-close" sounds from either a boomer or a Trapper give you enough time to react. On that note, if you don't want to get instatrapped at a spawn door, just don't camp them. They are dangerous if you have more than a few elite spawns. Positioning, especially with gunner nests, matters. The ranged stagger got adressed last patch, but this is why you have a slide, cover, the retarded shield ogryn or your dodges. Bulwarks need a little bit of skilled movement, higher caliber or teamwork, you can choose your attack vector as you may please. Crushers are, depending on your build, a huge threat. You can oneshot one of them with the correct builds (Vet plasma, rat-zealot etc), but on auric you need some devine intervention (or a smite stun from your friendly psyker) to deal with the 15 crushers that are coming towards you. On that note, surprise, the anti armor grenade for the vet is quite useful. Ragers can be dodged or outspaced. (Or if you feel really spicy just shoot the enemy that is dangerous in melee combat, that's what your ranged options are for) Another example, where your combined game knowledge of oh so many hours just fails you, is how you use stealth. You shouldn't pop stealth on your zealot and get away, you should use it to gapclose/reset crusher attacks and start backstabbing crushers/bulwarks/bosses as soon as possible, which will reset your aggro to zealot amounts once again. The ogryn nuke is a panic button, period. Wether you need it or not depends on your playstyle, although I am not an ogryn enthusiast. On the matter of blitz abilities, nearly every single one is viable. (Smoke grenades are a meme, but theoretically could be used against gunners). Assails is (as someone mentioned) quite difficult too use perfectly and wont do anything against carapace armor, brainburst needs to be used sparingly and tacticly, otherwise it is a waste of time. Smite gets REALLY on Auric. The relic for Zealot provides some breathing room, which is invaluable once you go for something like shock trooper gauntlet. Mission selection is whatever, it is dumb if you want penances like "5 Auric Maelstorms without going down" but otherwise why would you care about specific modifiers? There is always a high intensity shock trooper gauntlet on auric damnation somewhere. I wont say anything about the crafting/loot progression because yes, it is one of the worst things I have ever seen. There are many other things I'd like to mention, but I'll leave it at that. Yes, the game could be improved immensely, but many of those problems are just down to your understanding of the game.

[@nojiyukii]

no

[@jungleboot9392]

yes

[@rA9music]

can bring a different blitz as psyker on an auric maelstrom no problem, as long as you have a staff for the bigger guys or for crowd control or both.

[@jaskapenttila7644]

Ive gotta say my flaws with this game are no good skill based matchmaking since even in auric damnation ill get some noobs who think theyre hot shit but forget how to dodge or theyll get downed by a fireteam. Second is the countless errors that boost your ass out of lobby or mission, hell sometimes they outright crash the game. The matchmaking is just my requirement for a good time but the technical difficulties are actually game breaking and should be first to be fixed.

[@magicschoolbass]

The amount of times I got a speedrunning Zealot that gets down by the first dog that spawns...

[@milke7252]

im not sure why are you using Hunt: Showdown clip at 5:49? what point are you trying to make?

[@magicschoolbass]

I think that point is fairly obvious, Hunt is questionable at best

[@milke7252]

@@magicschoolbass ​ Hunt gets better the more you play it. Your point was that some games with positive reviews dont deserve them because ppl who play them play for only 10 hours and dont see the "cracks" that the game has but I would say Hunt is the exacts opposite where the starting hours are miserable and when you actually learn the game it becomes great. Your point that Hunt only has positive reviews because ppl who reviewed it only played for 10 hours makes no sense, if that actually was the case it would have negative reviews because the first 10 hours is you just getting dunked on while learning the game. Also if I play a game for 10 hours and in that 10 hours I had a positive experience why is my review seen as invalid, I reviewed the 10 hours of gameplay I had and they were great, I didnt review the 1000 hours I didnt play (even you friends say that game is worth playing for the 10 hours at the end of the video).

[@magicschoolbass]

@@milke7252 Hunt is the definition of a game that does not respect your time. I have 2000 hours in that shithole, I've been playing since beta. It only get worse and never better

[@milke7252]

@@magicschoolbass you just got burnt out mate, but I dont understand how it doesn't respect our time?

[@magicschoolbass]

@@milke7252 When it comes to a game like this, you get your kick out of your own improvement and the feeling of getting better. That investment of your time is worth nothing in this game, due to the lack of braincells in the balancing team(which I think consists of Dennis throwing darts at possible changes) and other technical issues, which can be summarized by EasyAntiCheat and gamebreaking glitches that occur every week or so, which they will fix in a month or so. Not to mention that gunfighting is 80% a diceroll, which just doesn't feel satisfying as half of the time you know that you wiped the team, because you rolled a 6 and they rolled a 1.

[@muse5722]

I can't tell if the "feminism: triple check" part is a joke or not

[@magicschoolbass]

You can watch my Payday 3 video, it's the same joke there as well, but with slightly more context

[@astarion5903]

I love getting 43% dmg multiplier + 8% sprint efficiency

[@knavenformed9436]

Guy has the most blursed version of Darktide installed

[@konradbraun1825]

Alright so I decided to just download and play for myself and I love this channel I mean the vermintide video is in my top 5 of all times and I do agree on the shitty story and character writing and the waiting aspect for stores + shops but I cant help but feel like a lot of is just hating, I mean a lot of the problems darktide has with balancing is also in vermintide, problem with free crit chance? Literally WHC. The entire problems with stealth (I dont play veteran so not his) but zealots stealth lasts 3 seconds unless you make it 6 and its only good for the first instance of damage you deal theres a lot of balancing issues and from any kind of personality standpoint it SUCKS but it shares many problems with vermintide and I think id say I like vermintide more just because the characters are 11/10 but even then its not a shit game and a lot of the points made in the video are poorly supported.

[@magicschoolbass]

Just because the problems also exist in Vermintide, doesn't make them any less problematic. You are still new to Darktide, play the game for at least 100 hours, you will see my points way more clearly. If you think that Zealot stealth is only good for damage, you really have to play the game more

[@angryrinokripperino7621]

Was waiting so long for this, finally

[@tobiasnenseter8044]

All the hard things to make well are made awesome, all the easy stuff to make good is so bad that you would not even expect a terrible fremium mobile game to implement chonky sharks solution. I would argue that the problems you mention after "balancing issues" are the most important ones. They can not fix the atmosphere as that would be way to much work. However the mission board and the craftin.. sry I mean lotto loot system could be fixed. I just hope they make a good crafting system with low amounts of grinding and clear goals, as the ptsd from using 30+ hours worth of crafting materials on a weapon type to still not have a good item or the blessing you want is just...

[@MnemonicHack]

I like the game. I don't care about rolling for the best weapons, I don't care about a couple percentile differences with perks and if you think it makes or breaks an entire tree, I don't really care about any of your criticism I'll be honest. I have fun playing it. Simple as.

[@user-gw5qi5zu8i]

-listening to video and typing some shit to react, wall of text T_T In 600 hours of darktide i havent loaded a single mod, unironically, i just never cared for dodge count/ammo info because it doesn't really matter, it all just comes down naturally to me. I think my weirdest upgrade to darktide was how i bought new headphones and started actually hearing special spawns and moving, I CAN ACTUALLY HEAR TRAPPERS NOW and its insane + after the patch where they nerfed trappers to the ground by making them staggerable by literally everything i really dont see much problems with them outside, well, auric missions. WHATS YOUR PROBLEM WITH BURSTERS MAN, THEY ARE LOUDEST TIMEBOMBS EVER? There are spots where they drop on a floor and just sit there for like FOREVER which is not too bad? People are too afraid to shoot the bursters in a team game and its fair, cause people probably blown up more friends this way then not. Also didnt they just nerfed bulwarks so their shield doesnt work as an actual wall when they are staggered which was the worst part? i agree with a lot of your friends comments on darktide tho THEY EVEN NERFED DAEMONHOST CMON man i honestly would take executioner vet with team vision over any vet with scream... its so great to have so you can see all those small gunners ruining your day ON TOPIC OF STEALTH, it really depends on HOW you use it. Like, really, i understand why going stealth when you were on 5 bulwarks and them immidetly rushing to your team is a bad thing, but you can exit any stealth INSTANTLY and benifit from bonuses of your actives which on both vet and zealot give you insane survivability for some time. I dont think stealth is a problem, people are :( Also, did you know you can just have ogryn do all the smart stuff with objectives and he wont break unless he is hit by like bulwark? love me ogryns Veteran breaking ammo economy vs Surprised pikachy face psyker with staff (jk jk, survivalist is busted on high difficulties but so is the game i guess?) man, im just gonna stop there or ill write insanely a lot on how veteran keystones actually good and a lot of things can be compensated with skill, setup and logic. Thing is, after many many hours in darktide, seeing perspective of someone with less hours is good and all the points make complete sense to me. Part of me overcame ALL OF IT, like, literally almost everything that you talk about i overcame with many hours in darktide and don't find it unfair anymore, it makes interesting perspective about how the game should be designed. luv telepots and his vids Ill add up that my main problem with darktide is... i can't really find problems anymore and maybe i care less about darktide after this long while and my friends being gone. The loop of how the game works and how i know the game is enough for me, and i just welcome any change fatshark makes, and im glad i can casually approach how the game works now, it is what it is and im fine with higher difficulties being unfair cause it leads to enormous gameplay done by me and my team in bad situations. WISH THEY WORKED MORE ON THE GAME YOU KNOW. (crafting system changes will be most welcome and healthy) To fatshark credit, they fixed the shovel bug where attack after push was broken and did no damage that i reported, but they still havent fixed ogryn weapons animation not existing lmao.

[@magicschoolbass]

80% of issues I described with this game I discussed with people who have four times your hours my dude, so I think I collectively have more experience with these issues. Sound in this game works the following way: it tries to prioritize certain sounds over others, so any special can be right next to you producing no sound queues whatsoever, which results in trappers or pox bursters insta killing you with no said sound queue. You can literally see a clip of me playing Zealot in this very video btw and see a pox burster insta popping from a door with no sound queue. And your stealth take, man, I really think you should re-think it all over again in your head. Stealth is THE most powerful tool in the game, it does not matter how you use it. If I give you an AR-15 and you say, WELL if I use it as a melee tool it's not so bad, but if you pull the trigger it is still capable of mass murder. Demonhost nerf is not doing anything, because deamonhost never does anything anyway. They did change the bulwarks, but only certain actions stun them, like a bolter spray, for example. A lot of your loadouts will never be suited to deal with them, so bulwarks is still a terribly designed enemy. Just because you personally stopped caring about issues, does not make them any less valid to player of any caliber. But your approach is definetely better for your mental health, so props to you

[@user-gw5qi5zu8i]

@@magicschoolbass Alright, a bit of comeback on topics. Its still was your opinion on a things, not your friends one! On every entry of discussion made by your friends i can pretty much completely agree, but on yours, not as much, and i cant say how much of it is you agreeing with them or not. Whats weird for me with sound que is that, all of us suffer from trappers with it, because those are inherently not well distinquished (though, lol, new headphones changed that for me) but not poxbursters, or at least i don't notice it as much. I can understand the point on soundcue problems and i agree, but i don't agree with bursters being that terrible that they should be deleted. I am yet to learn how to deal with bursters with normal attacks, i wanna try it out more so i can weave it better, cause they flinch even from normal attacks on a jump if you have enough cleave i think, push is just safer. (poxburster blowing up in doors is weird one, i can give a lot of examples on different situations, but the one where ogryn flew away - you can hear burster when he is that close 100% and if you ping him - its easy to react. Unless i dont undertand how he exploded cause i think he just couldn't push him away and he was really close). I kinda thought you said that "stealth is not great" because it fucks up your teammates (which is true, if you use it wrong), i didn't say that stealth is bad, stealth zealot is the strongest subclass in the game unironically. My worst darktide experience was watching someone ditch all his teammates to death and just run around the map as stealth zealot forever without killing anything but specials, and its insane that stealth zealot can even do so. i actually like bulwarks in general, i dont like bulwark packs, but bulwarks in hordes are fun to deal with because the window you get when he opens up with attack is great opportunity to kill them (especially with chain weapons or burst ranged weaponry) OR stun them. I can't quite say how exactly their movement works, but its fun to me. Reminds me of my talk on malenia how someone called boss complete bullshit breaking rules and i just like how the boss works and almost everything find fair lol. i hope you don't mind the talk

[@magicschoolbass]

@@user-gw5qi5zu8i Please separate subjectivity from objectivity. Your whole comment is: "I like it, that means it's good." It doesn't work like that. I don't know how many times you played auric or smth, but the issues with sound are constant and have no ties with your headphones (unless you were using 1$ wish headphones prior, which I heavily doubt). Btw that Ogryn knew what he was doing, as you can just ignore pox bursters as Ogryn, I just included it for the funny I want them reworked because they kill momentum in some places and make it really awkward to play around them as your only counterplay it to push or shoot. Difficulty has no play in this, in fact pox bursters are only difficult when there is no sound queue, which ironically happens too often, but not as often as with the Trapper. I also don't know what you mean by the fact that you don't know how Bulwark's movement works, they literally have 2 attacks, shild bash or slam, the latter opens them up usually for 1-2 attacks and the cycle continues. It's garbage

[@user-gw5qi5zu8i]

​@@magicschoolbass "Your whole comment is: "I like it, that means it's good."" Thats not bloody true. Im not even saying i like it about most of the stuff, im fine with problems because i found my way to play or overcome with them during my time, thats why the video feels more like a fresh perspective for me, while, on the other hand, i find that most of this is either mitigatable or not as terrible as people describe it so. "I dislike it and it means its bad" isn't an objectifying either, you dislike how bombers kill momentum in some places, and i like how they make people actually take care of their surroundings, doors AND teammates in the same places. Thats, a preference, i guess? Door bombers could be changed to spawn/explode better though. Also! thats why i talked about how i want to learn about cleaving the bursters, i think its an interesting thing to try and play with. About bulwark moveset its that, i think they retaliate to shielding IF they are geting shot or hit (not always), or at least thats somewhat related to whether or not they will do an attack that opens them up or go for a bash, so they punish being overagressive on them. Also bulwarks are a great team check on how to backstab/stun an enemy, its a team game after all and they are easy to deal with together. A lot of times with this games i ask myself, should we really look down on gameplay loop from perspective of the highest difficulty? Thats why some (not all of them) topics feel weird to me to talk about, like, what you were saying about people playing for 10 hours total. A LOT of stuff we find as problematic isn't real on difficulties below 5, i think darktide is actually fairly balanced with its problems on earlier difficulties which is a plus for it.

[@magicschoolbass]

@@user-gw5qi5zu8i That is bloody true though. "I like bulwarks because they open up for attacks", my guy, every enemy opens up for attacks. And I seriously doubt anyone who plays the game over 50 hours will enjoy anything below at least damnation, this game literally spawn 3 pox walkers per mission on any diificulty that is not Auric. It's just boring. And killing momentum is an objective thing, this game is built to be fast-paced, you can clearly see it in the gameplay loop, every time you get stopped by bulwarks, pox bursters that spawned 10 floors above you or 3 clusters of fire nades you need to stand still. This is not good. And your bulwark takes are just fantastic. Wtf is even a backstab check? If you find walking behind a stationary enemy and pressing left click repeatedly fun, then I doubt anything I say will have any effect on you. There is no movement, some heavy ranged weapons or nades stun them and that's it. You can literally open psych ward and test it, there is no depth to them

[@nomadson615]

They added one enemy type. And some cosmetics. These devs are lazy this game is dead.

[@onkarmohite7560]

I cannot emphazise enough how lucky Fatshark is to have players like telo and crabs despite their abyssmal quality of product. If anybody ever plays Darktide please do so for sake of these 2 guys and the several modders and the modding community. Great video, there isn't anything I can disagree with. Should have talked more on how broken the speed in the game is especially with Zealot where pressing sprint is the best defense and outruns all enemies. Also how broken the guns feel in the game compared to in others.

[@magicschoolbass]

There is a lot of problems I didn't mention, but yeah. Funniest thing is, A LOT of people say that guns are bad lol

[@kharngotrekson1726]

This game has worse netcode than Vermintide 2, and its a fucking accomplishment to be worse than Vermintide 2. So i prefer my warhammer fantasy game more than this shit.

[@palecaptainwolfkayls8499]

We love live service models wooooooooooo /j

[@Kaphriel1]

new update worth playing ? Or can i delete this game

[@magicschoolbass]

There is no update my guy, there is an ANNOUNCEMENT of an update. Although it seems pretty cool, it does not address core issues enough, so I sleep

[@Kaphriel1]

@@magicschoolbass im talking about the path of redemption update, are you?

[@magicschoolbass]

@@Kaphriel1 same. It's just an announcement, the update itself is coming late April. If it even comes late April, because Fatshark always releases things later than they promise

[@Kaphriel1]

@@magicschoolbass oh not sure what that 1 gig update was for then i deleted it anyway

[@magicschoolbass]

@@Kaphriel1 It was the usual hotfix

[@gobomania]

Just because I saw a 1 second clip about Hunt: Showdown. I have 1.5k hours in Hunt and I can agree, that game is consistently inconsistent.

[@magicschoolbass]

I have 1.2K, let's hug it out. It only gets worse every time

[@gobomania]

@magicschoolbass I have the final copium left in me that the engine update gonna fix everything :')

[@crypto40]

This game is a perfect example of the gaming industry downgrade, just look at the combat Ragdoll and affects from v2 to darktide on top of everything else that’s wrong with the game. Also fatshark is already a slow fricking dev time who usually cares more for the pc version than the consoles anyways

[@coreydixon3041]

I just don't get it, I've only played for 50 hours, but I've had a great time and not really had a single issue and i've only had a good time. Also I think a lot of the ciritism here translates to vermintide, same premise, same company so why wouldn't it be different?

[@magicschoolbass]

Your question is literally answered in the late part of the video

[@coreydixon3041]

@@magicschoolbass oh sorry its a long video and havent managed to finish it

[@coreydixon3041]

@@magicschoolbass so I first started playing darktide and I enjoyed it a lot, then tried I vermintide because I read it was better, but couldn't get into it so I would always go back to darktide. However recently I finally understood vermintide and I can confidently say that it is very superior than darktide

[@user-ox6rt5rh7nhg]

Skill Issue my man

[@eumy45]

34:23 "they find targets themselves, you dont have to aim, you don't have to see the targets" this just isn't true, the assail projectiles follow your crosshair and you can even direct the knives OVER bulwark shields or target weakspots with the rmb fire. assail is by far the most mechanically interesting blitz psyker has and it's a little silly that you go on to say you enjoy brainburst of all things, the blitz where you just lock onto an enemy and hold left click. the problem with brainburst isn't the weird comparison to revolver it's the fact that it's just plain boring to use and stacking cast speed increases from empowered psyonics/psykinetic aura/speed stims makes the charge time completely absurd now.

[@magicschoolbass]

I am a simple man, brain burst does a funny sound - I like it. Although you are right, it's not that interesting. Assail can be used for some ridiculous things, but it is rarely useful, 90% of the time you spam it into a group of enemies and the assail does the job for you. I've seen people angle it to hit snipers behind a pack of crushers, which is interesting, but that situation is not only rare, but there are way better and more reliable tools for that, since sometimes assail can get stuck in a random prop and not connect at all

[@YaMaTo999Vir]

If you are complaining here about optimization, you probably didnt see much worse games like dead by daylight or Total War Warhammer franchise 😂 Ok, dead by daylight devs just a bunch of unfunny clowns. Their game works, but awful. In everything youve microlags and game have major bugs with EVERY SINGLE PATCH FOR 8 YEARS! You mostly can play normally, but its really chunky and not polished at all for users. More build like a milking machine for your money. On the other hand, we have TTW which is epitome of WORST OPTIMIZATION OF GAME INDUSTRY EVER! I never before and never after saw such a technical bad game ever. Funny that its also warhammer game. Ironic. You literally MUST HAVE ssd to play that game, or youll die in the endless loadings after every single thing you are doing. But game doesnt has ssd in the "Required setups for the game". So, devs, WHY? WHY YOU OPTIMAZING THE GANE AROUND SSD, NOT HDD? Just straight up bullshit lying to customers. Turns are also horrible, but they a bit fixed it. And finally game mostly looks like soapy shit anyway, no matter your setups. Looks like soapy potato. And effects sometimes really bad (like blood). Also there are a lot of lags on the map and in battles. Battle repeats work incorrectly too. Ai is bullshit and autoresolve is horrible. That game so should be thanksful for warhammer patent and americans who buying this, cause otherwise it would be a disaster it deserves. So, yeah, i can imagine darktide can be bad, sadly. But there are much horrible monsters in the dark. P. S. Hunt showdown is also a joke in 1 big moment. If you have ANY microlag during the play, youll never reconnect again or reconnect 10-20 minutes later. They broke reconnect just after it was invented 2-3 years ago. Plus they are not solving ping issue. Its so unfair to play against people with 1-2 ping when you cant have ping below 120 =/

[@fashig06]

Buy my book 😂😂

[@mistervems3015]

i love the game tbh i just ignore the problems lmao

[@AprilTurnage-sc8ch]

Imo I think that darktide is better than vermintide 2 in almost every single way my only complaints are the crafting, level variety, and the characters.

[@magicschoolbass]

put enough hours into both games and you will see the opposite. Darktide looks better, and flashier, thus it tends to "look" better. Gameplaywise it's a downgrade in a lot of ways

[@Jeficus]

Yes. 🙂

[@noahslaughter4787]

God I love this game 🙃

[@danielfenton9742]

Darktide isnt a game, its is a bowel release from the great poppa Nurgle.

[@magicschoolbass]

That sums it up very well

[@Desher_ER]

A Darktide of all time P. S: Astolfo Fishing

[@magicschoolbass]

Astolfo fishing

[@Vaporvision]

God Fatshark needs to see this

[@magicschoolbass]

I would love for them to see it, but with crab and telo on their team of testers they don't have to. We pretty much share 90% of our opinions

[@Vaporvision]

@@magicschoolbass That's excellent to hear. I really hope we see something soon. I'm on the hope train, looking at the v2 dev path 😇

[@jeffe2267]

if you didn't yell so much, it'd be a lot easier to understand you

[@redluke8119]

Darktide is objectively a great game. Its a meme 1000 hours played terrible game This is a meme review. 😅

[@vikiplaybggaming5559]

The good - The brick The bad? EVERYTHING ELSE Does this game really make you off yourself, Bass?

[@magicschoolbass]

Oh, it tries

[@elgescherwerauchimmer700]

Most of your balance "fixes" are just to make the game less fun so that the 0.5% of the player base can have more of a challenge. How about just adding another level of difficulty instead of making the game worse for the rest of us?

[@magicschoolbass]

Enjoy having fun playing with a plasma vet and a speedrunner zealot

[@Inusaa-1]

That visual and audio mess

[@magicschoolbass]

Oh, yeah, that thing is called Darktide 40K, you can get it on Steam for 40$

[@saibisureddo5657]

So... The DMC Reboot is my favorite game in the entire series. In fact its not even close for me. Actually it is the only DMC game I even liked besides 3. The reboot made the controls actually easy to understand, there was no esoteric weird mechanics like Nero arm nonsense and sword revving and that weird ghost arm crap in 4. The music composition with the levels made you feel like an absolute bada** and it was just pure fun actiion with a servicable story. And by far the coolest looking version of virgil in any of the games. And his DLC was very fun. I will NEVER understand you guys who think DMC 5 was amazing. Outside of a southerner sexy chick there was NOTHING good about that game. NOTHING. NOT ONE THING. The controls were stupid all around for each character. The summoner character controls felt like an actual april fools joke even though the concept was great the execution could not have been worse. The story couldn't be more esoteric nonsense. (DMC Reboot kept things way more simple and understandable.) The weapon variety was perfect. Introduced at a good pace and brought just enough variety and combo creation to the game between weapons that just created great power fantasy situations. WAY better then in any other DMC game besides MAYBE 3. But the main reason I liked 3 was for many of the same reasons as the DMC Reboot. It spent more time getting to the point and having fun. And the grinding was actually rewarding if not a bit slow sometimes. DMC 1 was more of a puzzle platformer then anything else and I could take it or leave it. DMC 2 was an absolute abortion and you know it and I know it. DMC 4 was just terrible. The story made zero sense and the mechanics were so dumb and horrible that they decided to make the reboot in the first place. Then they went right back to that nonsense in 5 just with better graphics and more fluff and ways to stall you from progression. Something the REMAKE DOES NOT EFFING DO AT ANY TIME. But 5 did in spades. padding out play time with literally walking around doing nothing. occasionally finding enemies, going around nad having to break tentacle A and then oh you gotta do that again. Oh boss fight? okay. Well thats over now. Oh yay 20 minutes of walking around jumping on crap occasionally fighting and sticking parasites into mush because we all love watching that useless animation 800 times that didn't need to be there in the first place its purely there to stall you and pad the game time and nothing more. And I love Darktide. Oops I guess? Also I never had problems with loading in Darktide not sure whats up with yours.

[@magicschoolbass]

Skill issue

[@madmonty4761]

​@@magicschoolbassget a better gaming device jackass

[@Keepler22b]

this game is absolut shit§

[@Smok-ny9lz]

Im in 30th second of this video all are you saying is lies and bullshit darktide>vermtide2

[@magicschoolbass]

I mean, how can you argue with that. Got me there

[@pain_rain609]

i started playing virm days before this video released. i am suffering for the sake of creating balance in the system. i played a thick week of helldivers 2 so im sharing my data. Isonzo on the side too. i stopped getting wide pulses of dirty serotin and adrenaline when the dread kicked in. i went through that when champion destroyed me, legend is funnier but the dread remains and i feel NO PLEASURE in it.

[@pain_rain609]

wow darktide is disgusting the screen is covered in failure

[@pain_rain609]

what the fuck, you support them? dont you have anything else you want? are you strong enough to admit that you'd need to do something else than alpha test. you do it for free and you paid them

[@pain_rain609]

dont ask me for shit, consumer is king. i know this is shit thats why i wont chew

[@lesbianfish]

I got this game free with my graphics card like a year ago and have never opened it and have no interest in playing it but i watched this video fish

[@magicschoolbass]

fish