40K Lore - The Rangdan Xenocides - The Mystery of the Missing Primarchs finally Solved

I hope you enjoyed all of my rumbling, still refining audio quality and editing, but the video is already leagues superior to the trailer.
And almost 40 minutes long.
SOURCES USED:
Rangdan Xenocides:
1: The Horus Heresy Book Seven pgs. 81-82
2: The Horus Heresy Book Five pg. 96
3: The Horus Heresy Book Three pg. 82
4: Scions of the Emperor (Anthology) - First Legion
5: The Horus Heresy Book Eight pg.16
6: The Horus Heresy Book Nine
6a: pg. 90-91
6b: pg. 107
6c: pg. 125-126
7: Alpharius: Head of the Hydra (Novel), - Hydra Domninatus
8: White Dwarf 470, pg. 101 - Chronicles of the Horus Heresy
9: The Horus Heresy Book Six - Retribution
9a: pg. 57
9b: pg. 61
9c: pg. 79
9d: pg. 95
10: Campaigns of the Age of Darkness: The Siege of Cthonia, pg. 121, The Legiones Inductii
11: The Regimental Standard - Field Dressing a Lasgun Wound (archived 17 March 2019)
Rangdan's Specie:
1: The Horus Heresy Book Seven - Inferno
1a: pgs. 81-82
1b: pgs. 133
2: The Horus Heresy Book One - Betrayal, pg. 99
3: First Legion (Short Story) - Scions of the Emperor (Anthology)
4: The Horus Heresy Book Nine
4a: pg.89-91
4b: pg.120-122
4c: pg. 125-126
Warhammer 40K Heresyposting: / heresyposting
Florkofcows Official Page: / florkofcowsofficial
See you soon for more Lore Videos.

[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE 100% CONVINCED THE PRIMER ARTICLE AND PICTURE IS SATIRE: Removing that I doubt it is as it was official content, the timeline lines up with what the primer confirms, the Ultramarines swelled to surpass all others when the two missing legions were forgotten as the Marines of the Gal Vorbak said, that happened during the second Rangdan Xenocide when they surpassed the Dark Angels and all other legions, becoming the biggest one of all of them, confirming that the missing legions were forgotten during the second rangdan xenocide. That article is just confirming what everything else was already implying.

[@davidcolter]

This must be what it felt like for an Astartes Legion to meet its Primarch for the first time.

[@DoomStarRequiem]

Never has my two hearts beat with so much pride.

[@HandsomeLongshanks]

"Don't bully the iron hands fans. There's only 2 of them and their lore is punishment enough" Damn, dude. You didn't have to do them dirty like that lol

[@thestinkydwarf]

I feel personally attacked by this IH bullying! 😂

[@tims9723]

Yeah. Why you hate us IH players?

[@silverbladeofnorth7345]

@@tims9723 its not like he hate you, it is that gw decide that iron hasnds and raven guard doesnt need lore

[@tims9723]

@@silverbladeofnorth7345 truth

[@RIPFerrus]

If this were to ever become established canon, that would make Erda being responsible for the primarchs being separated even more ridiculous lol. Erda: "I'm not going to let you use my sons to wage a xenocidal war across the cosmos... instead I'm going to disperse them across the galaxy and cross my fingers they don't get fucked up wherever they land". 11th primarch: *Becomes immediate meatpuppet for one of the most ruthless and objectively evil xenos races in the galaxy, and summarily dies during the Rangdan Xenocides, having never lived a life of his own* Grimdark and grimderp.

[@junhongli1167]

One of the few times I was cheering for Erebus.

[@DisasterLord]

​@@junhongli1167 Erebus did a lot of things wrong, this one was justified

[@Ave_Christus_Rex37]

Not to mention the shit Angron had to go through

[@giovannilamarra]

And still F**k EREBUS !

[@PrimeAdvance]

Politically Correct additions to the lore are rarely not derp

[@dasninjastix]

In Apharius' book, during a council before enacting a plan to help locate Horus who may or may not be fighting off the rangda, "Alpharius" says the following: "I would not have a brother fall in battle before he has even been reunited with my father." That seems like too specific a line not to be a wink and a nod. I definitely think this was the fate of at least one of the Primarchs. And it absolutely makes sense to attempt to omit from Imperial history. Because it's more a failing of the Emperor than anything else.

[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

Damn it, failed to remember that line as I was writing the script.

[@kamiwriterleonardo6345]

Joy the Catachan is now my favorite character XD Edit: If the fate of the 11th is indeed accurate to this video... Man, I imagine the sheer horror and tragedy in the 11th legion's hearts when they marched into combat only to see their enslaved gene-father for the first time. This gives me inspiration to draw the scenario.

[@Azzie420]

Daddy’s finally uploaded!!! Let’s goooo! The thick “meat a ball” accent is perfection

[@SophiaSmileyJr]

I can call him Daddy?

[@Balevolt]

Have you read "Let the Galaxy Burn" short story compilation? There is story told in one of them "That when the Great Eagle found his Children one of them was tainted and willingly allowed the Great Eagle to kill him". If I can find my copy I'll give you a proper source.

[@darkkira1332]

First of all, congrats on the video release. Second, that's an interesting way to put it, I do know that the possible way for the two missing primarchs are erased is that they possibly turned against the emperor, but this is a new way to look at it and pretty much plausible.

[@rasaqbello2534]

Huros wasn't purged so it makes sense

[@SetuwoKecik]

Idk why im imagining Rangdan Xenocide as irl Punic War. Both wars has three phases, the second one was the bloodiest, and the third was simply a one-sided anhillation where the defeated city of Carthage got burned to the ground and salted by the Romans.

[@thestinkydwarf]

Considering GW's penchant for using history as inspiration, ur probably right over the target on this one.

[@an0nycat]

I am the King, I am the leader of battle and war I am the Legion, I am the bringer of light I am the torch, I am the love, I am your sin Come to me, kneel down for me, one more time I am the Emperor of the Sun, I am the first and the last I am the New World Order to come, I am the first and the last My Kingdom's rising, your world is dying Within a blink of an eye I am the Emperor of the Sun, I am the only one

[@Anthony.Mi0]

Goddamn, 13 hours of editing in one sitting. I applaud you funny italian man

[@Yirmir_2.0]

Honestly, it does make sense, even if it’s still just speculation. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but when I joined 40K back in the end of 7th and start of 8th, people would always talk about how the 2nd and 11th were ways that you could make your own loyal/heretical space marine chapters fit in to the general established lore, given it fit the status quo of the other legions. However, as 8th progressed on, and into 9th and 10th, what became much more emphasized and pushed was the existence of successor chapters branching off of founding chapters. I feel this is how chapters like the Raptors, the Charcarodons (if I am spelling that right), and other more well know loyalist successor chapters were brought into the limelight. Even for chaos, the ideas of warbands seemed to be more heavily pushed, explaining how they never lost their inherent traitorous heritage but adapted to different methodologies and levels of warp-taint. I say all this as I feel this leans heavily into why they started pushing for the idea of successor chapters. The Primarchs of the 2nd and 11th are gone, but their soldiers were filtered into other chapters (as established by the swelling of the 13th). Perhaps these soldiers brought forth a vastly different fishing style, and, if they survived the heresy, would go on to found some of the first successor chapters during the various foundings. This would also explain why some chapters, before the introduction of the primaris and chapters like the Sons of the Phoenix, had successors that seemed partially off from their original chapter ideology and primarch. Now, again, I could be spouting complete and utter rubbish, connecting completely unrelated points with a red line of string, but it is still something to consider.

[@Artemisarrowzz]

All I know is that The Rainbow Warriors, at least a chapter's of the Fists and the Marines Malevolent have the same insignia lol

[@gendor5199]

I was active back in 5th edition pre-horus heresy books, and most of what you describe was true even then, only there was fewer legit successor chapters with proper lore.

[@lurkingedge]

A tragic tale. Ah, that hurts. Fulgrim had to purge his legion, but they were few and dealing with a geneseed mutation. But a full legion and its Primarch? Who probably tried to save his sons and failed. Who ran out of time, unsuccessful, himself tainted, as the Space Wolves closed in to do what he could not. And the Eleventh. To cross half the galaxy in search of their genesire, to find him... and lose him, forced to put him down in order to set him free.

[@jasonshirey9246]

The man, the Italian, the long awaited!

[@DrMrKrabz]

"where tf is the North of space?" I always wondered this myself.

[@LJD442]

I agree with all your whole theory I think it makes the most sense. Could you imagine when an enslaved primarch for unlessed on the legions in a battle? That sheer terror and confusion. I also think this is where the animosity between Leman and the Lion. I think it makes more sense for the duels to develop out of this then the canonical reason which I forgot because it was lame(I think) lol I keep adding more as I think about this video. The other later HH plotline this can help make more sense is Leman's plan to charge towards Horus's fleet. Something happened between Leman, the Second and the Eleventh which left Leman with a guilt that made him never hesitate if something like that happens again. To end it before another brother dies. I dunno great video I'm just spit balling.

[@Stepper1990]

Altough I agree with the fate of the second, I think the eleventh is still around. The custodes codex mentions a prisoner of the vaults of Terra named subject eleven and if I recall correctly during his encounter with the Emperor, the Lion is told about having 19 brothers, and the eleventh is mentioned as well in the order in which they were discovered. Furthemore it would fit the narrative of the war of the false primarch

[@gendor5199]

This is good detective work, but why would he say 19 to the Lion but 18 to Corvus? That is another question. Lessons learned perhaps.

[@philgee486]

This is a work of the most meticulous research (and I mean the word "most" very specifically) and wonderfully gifted conjecture. That a conclusion that isn't confirmed in absolute terms about a subject that is specifically intended to remain a mystery must by definition remain in the class "circumstantial" is a given, but **that never means it isn't absolutely correct** The direction of the 40k game and it's developing lore at the time the Rangdan and their conflict were introduced was under the control and stewardship of folk I knew personally at the time and I can attest that their creative qualities and enthusiasm could absolutely have created this obscured narrative layer. It's foundational enough to have been respected and left alone ever since. i wish I could ask them secretly but I respect them too much as people. I was at the time of Rogue Trader and the genesis of 40k at Chewton St, but I was studio adjacent, and for a good while afterward and I can tell you that no whisper of this ever broke the surface even very privately. That simple fact is quite huge, these were not blabbermouths and they enormously respected the integrity of their baby, but still I find I really love your work, especially it's quality and it's shockingly enjoyable delivery and in this matter, it's now canon for me. Which is the best compliment I can give it.

[@Shin_Godji]

Great video chapter master. Very nice elaboration too. However I do have my doubts. "...Speak what must be spoken. You are afraid.’ ‘I am,’ Lorgar confessed. ‘I fear the Emperor will break the Word Bearers - and break me. We would be cast alongside the brothers we no longer speak of.’ The silence was hardly comforting. ‘Well?’ Lorgar asked. ‘He might,’ the one-eyed giant said. ‘There was talk of it, before Monarchia.’ ‘Did he come to you to ask your thoughts?’ ‘He did,’ Magnus admitted. ‘And he went to our brothers?’ ‘I believe so. Don’t ask what sides were taken by whom, for I do not know where most of them stood. Russ was with you, as was Horus. In fact, it was the first time the Wolf King and I have agreed on anything of import.’ ‘Leman Russ spoke in my favour?’ Lorgar laughed. ‘Truly, we live in an age of marvels.’ Magnus didn’t share the amusement. His lone eye was a deep, arctic blue as it fixed upon Lorgar. ‘He did. The Space Wolves are a spiritual Legion, in their own stunted and blind way. Fenris is an unmerciful cradle, and it breeds such things in them. Russ knows that, though he lacks the intelligence to give it voice. Instead, he swore that he’d already lost two brothers, and had no desire to lose a third.’ ‘Two already lost.’ Lorgar looked back to the city. ‘I still recall how they-’ ‘Enough,’ warned Magnus. ‘Honour the oath you took that day.’ ‘You all find it so easy to forget the past. None of you ever wish to speak of what was lost. But could you do it again?’ Lorgar met his brother’s eyes. ‘Could you stand with Horus or Fulgrim, and never again speak my name purely because of a promise?’ Magnus wouldn’t be drawn into this. ‘The Word Bearers will not walk the same paths as the forgotten and the purged. I trust you, Lorgar...." ADB's The First Heretic doesn't suggest the missing Primarchs were controlled by someone or something. More like they rebeled. And in their rebellion they were broken by the Emperor. And that's what Lorgar is afraid of. That he and his legion will be seen as rebels in the eyes of the Emperor, because of Lorgar's incompetence, so He would have to unleash Russ, the self proclaimed Emperor's Executioner upon him. Just my theory ofc.

[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

Still, they are speculating, they were wrong on the date, so I have my doubts they themselves know the truth about the whole situations.

[@barrysingh2872]

These wars vaguely remind me of the Punic wars

[@tanjiro2507]

Theirs memories weren't manipulated by the Emperor?

[@RMCbreezy]

​@@tanjiro2507from what ive heard Malcador is the one who doctored their memories. Horus wasnt able to remember, or speak, their names i cant remember

[@leemastro9904]

Best explanation yet, for the lost Primarchs.

[@Master_Broda]

It's finally here! For our Primarch!

[@tristinpontius6941]

Finally. Content worth doing anything for!

[@nathancomanse5783]

A wonderful deep dive into the lore with answers I thought I would never see. Thank you Danny! 🫡

[@zacharyadammusic]

Great video! That shout the gaurdsman is doing is from the original dow trailer im sure , just as the sergeant leads the charge 😂

[@johnsmithfrombackeast7376]

A well researched, and reasoned article. Well done Danny!

[@eutoteu5680]

The explanation is solid , best explanation yet . good job .

[@bourbonbear218]

My new favorite lore channel

[@epyjacek]

What a great video! Please keep doing these. That VO actor was awesome.

[@RadiantGust]

Hi, I'm the VA from the video, thank you so much!

[@thepangalorian101]

Now THIS is how you tackle a 40k mystery. I actually remember that page from the imperial guardsmens handbook, read it YEARS ago, never even thought about it’s significance until now 😂

[@DavidD8029]

For the Tuna! Great video man.

[@TheRampantLion]

Thanks for this video. I always figured it was the XIth primarch that got taken out by Russ but your theory that it was the 2nd because of an infection makes more sense.

[@Sabin41]

Commenting for the algorithm. 40k lore let's goooo!

[@yarrick9372]

We’ve been looking forward to this and it was great 👏🏻

[@HEYDUDEITSTONY]

This was great! Thank you Lord Fortuna!

[@vladmods]

Very good stuff! Hope to see more of this fantastic quality.

[@DizmalHK]

Great video Danny keep up the good work!

[@MacroLore]

This was really awesome dude. It's really nice to have some definitive answers

[@LuciaFinstra]

This is excellent work! Kudos!

[@PerfectionHunter]

Fuuck... i think you actually found the answer... and it's horribly sad 😢 Fantastic research my man. Much respect has been earned. I'll sub to you for that.

[@xMtF54x]

Great video man cant wait for the next one

[@deathbringerswill2066]

Great video, keep it up Mister Fortuna

[@Marinealver]

One of the major problems with the WH40K prequels is they would have to explain the 2 lost Legions which was made to allow creative flexibility for homebrew armies.

[@kronos661]

You would need them if not for all of the goddamned chapters.

[@vezqu840]

Brilliant!! You connected a lot of dots there I'been thinking about.

[@IwoRzepecki]

Great video, and really good analysis. Your answer seems very logical.

[@LordNorth13]

Fantastic first video. Can't wait for more Lord Tuna.

[@nobodyofconsequence5084]

First vid from our Pasta Primarch! It is a glorious day

[@tarnost2964]

Finally, a decent KZbinr in a while

[@INDIE_per_cui]

Great Video Danny! Daje forte!

[@empousa8680]

Νice first video man. Hope you have a nice start

[@gypsysinner]

Phenomenal Danny good job.

[@Deppability]

Great Start!

[@a_tired_dad]

We stand by your side our primarch

[@pensador6953]

i would be ok on making that cannon, one of the best explanations i've heard

[@ayethe4603]

I always thought that might have been the case it's good to see someone hugely more knowledgeable explain it

[@Anzrul]

Great video. Even on the parts that I personally don't agree with, I like how in depth you went into explaining how you came to each conclusion. Cant wait for more.

[@chrisbaginski7425]

Absolutely amazing

[@alexandrudumitru8697]

Glad Slay Marbo got to be in this video at the bigining !!

[@christophersalumro3076]

YES! ITS HERE! FINALLY!

[@jesseseakle4588]

Rolling on the floor lol one of the best 40k videos ever

[@kai_plays_khomus]

Sub thoroughly earned!

[@huguesfalk5956]

So it begins !

[@sohrabroozbahani4700]

Nice detective work 👍

[@leemastro9904]

Both of the fans of the Iron Hands are probably grateful for your sympathy.

[@Eddieo9999]

Completely agree, and as The Might Fortuna has said alot of sources have pointed towards this. My 1 thing i might add is, maybe the Emperor also didnt want any one to go looking for the Rangdan or any of their technology so rebellious groups would seek them out to fight the Imperium.

[@shg2d9]

Great video. I love how you narrate with a cool Vampire accent!

[@an0nycat]

Romanian accent? 🤔🤔😅😅

[@MrMiniNuke]

That would be his Italian accent… completely unrelated to vampires..

[@orestislazanakis4960]

*I can make ther plot twist even worse* What if the Rangdan were tall *because* of finding a Primarch baby and unlocking his gene works? This means that Erda, in wanting to stop a galactic genocide, either knew this was going to happen and enpowere the Rangdan on purpose to give them a chance to stop the crazy Emperor, or didn't and this means she mistakenly caused the enslavement of her own son and the empowerment of *another* genocidal race. I don't know which is worse honestly... *Now, even worse* What if the Emperor had seen a way to regain his son, but the Primarch was killed by the Void Dragon shard in a feat for vengeance against its captor? I can almost picture it, the shard has the Primarch incapacitated but still alive, the Emperor flies in to rescue his son, and the shard suddenly rips his head off so the Emperor can't have him. Now the Emperor not only has to cover up the mortality of Primarchs, but he can also do nothing to the shard for killing his son, because if he kills it then the mechanicum goes along with it, and the damage is already done. He has to live knowing that he owns everythign he has achieved to the murderer of his son, a murderer that he did not stop when he could. Now he is also left with TWO secrets that he cannot afford to be leaked: 1) a Primarch was killed, 2) by a shard of a Xeno (not a human) that empowers the Machine Cult and is locked under Mars.

[@elyrienvalkyr8167]

The emperors wife was the stupidest plot point they could possibly have added... such a stupid move on GW's point. It was uneccessary, added nothing, and actively detracts from established cannon by muddying the water. Retconning for absolutely no gain and no plotholes being filled. It actually creates more.

[@JZStudios2]

Very interesting theories for sure, I do like that the one of the lost primarch never had a chance due to this war the Imperium almost lost. But I still hold on the 11th is a servant of Malaal given the Subject 11th blurb in the 9th edition SM codex. Might be true, might be not-who knows?

[@gendor5199]

Great video in almost every sense. . . The joke of the 4 snaps should have been left to the very end of the video as the 4 snaps happens and black... But yeah holy crud, this is genuinely the best kind of detectivework I could have found, and this gathered very much from word-choices and old written words that were imagined to just be words!

[@soic9690]

Fantastic video! my only point of critique is to potentiall speak a bit slower, as it could be hard to keep up on occasion, but overall very good.

[@georgepanayotov5288]

Love it

[@bramzwingli]

Fantastic

[@jij5152]

Amazing

[@greytodoroki9479]

I kinda had that same thoughts awhile for the loss of the second primarch with him captured and mentally chained to a xeno race

[@mahoganydoughnut6082]

Thanks erda

[@ijc9837]

Good, goooooood!

[@samuellove9619]

I think another reason the teo had to be forgotten was because so much of the imperium was based on the infallibility of the impiriim and the Emperor, that both were the best for humanity. If either primarch, the pinacle of the emperor's genecraft, could be suberverted, his perfection would be shattered. Its also more than likely the primarchs were vulnerable to whatever infection the rangdan utilised. Oculus imperia mentioned that the imperium utilised weapons designed to destroy information itself, implying the rangdan could infest the very information of the universe.

[@dannyfortuna9573]

Then Oculus lied. I studied all sources on the rangdan, and there was no mention of that anywhere.

[@bourbonbear218]

My new theory is that Florkofcows is Pio. I will shout this from the roof tops until Flork holds a press conference to dispel the rumors.

[@fabioeliasreisritter8827]

Great video! The Tuna Crusade is real!

[@NemaMute]

Yeah, this makes sense.

[@abcdodd]

Hello. Canada here. We called pineapple/ham pizza 'Hawaiian' to avoid the dreaded FOUR SNAPS!

[@tims.9704]

Our Primarch has provided lore unto us this day. Thank the Emperor!

[@spacekhan6924]

Great

[@blackouthorus1519]

Lore filled fever dream

[@BlairDeLong]

*Hour of a rolling R* Rangda!

[@incrusio1896]

FINALLY

[@trustypatches904]

Glory to our Primarch Danny

[@SilasKeon]

Giulio is so fucking cool.

[@RadiantGust]

Thank you Silas😎

[@MegamanZero410]

Sly Marbo scream, nice touch

[@Ankhtowe]

I haven't watched this yet, so commenting on it on the internet makes me sound very smart. I am very smart.

[@MRBRADSTER96]

mans a hero

[@joshgladfelter9597]

Fantastic video. A lot of lore videos are just regurgitated or sharing some idea the creator has ripped off of Reddit… Really great to see something unique.

[@kriskay5020]

Ah the inner nerd is satisfied, you added the references you used

[@Rurik_Luci]

I heard him snap his fingers, and I stiffened up immediately. I've been watching this too much.

[@SICdrunk]

Congratulations on the video! Hope we get more. Keep it up! And thank you for purging that heretic with the pineapple on pizza!

[@justjake8873]

This only enforces my Head Cannon that the Blood Ravens are the last remnants of the 11th Legion. I know its an old idea thats been somewhat ’debunked’ by some and most believe they’re traitor gene seed. But I still think that doesn’t quite fit either. I think they were attached to the Dark angels in the Rangdan Xenosides, and given to reinforce the Blood Angels for the seige of terra. This would explain their uniquely mixed heraldry and their unexplained attachment and respect to Dorn and his relics. It would also explain their fervent search for ancient lore attached to their true founding And Primarch. Its only known that its either been expunged completely or tightly sealed under the emperor’s seal.

[@justjake8873]

Oh and as a Canadian, we’re the ones responsible for pineapple on pizza. We did it as a joke and think its funny AF people eat that stuff 😂

[@squirreltele]

solid

[@samhiltz1107]

I can get behind this theory, though I subscribe to a different one. The Rangdan were human. All of them. They had strayed into massive mutation to survive, but were human. The 2nd met them, visited, looking for a negotiation to join the Imperium, but came to the conclusion that the Rangdan vision for humanity was b3tter than the Emperors - so he defected. (There's a lot more to it like the 2nd being immune to Emps Charisma, the legion having no instinctive connection to him etc.) Because the Rangdan did have a good vision for humanity, they had to be wiped out, stricken from records, legions vanished, etc. (Considering Chaos, it might have been the correct choice too. Maybe that's why Emps told Corax about Chaos...) What we know now is the propaganda and lies, and the mind controlling xenos are a way to dismiss any positive views of the Rangdan. "Mind controlled source, disregard." The 11th being killed prior to being found I disagree with. Unless the 2nd is the legion Sanguinius refers to when talking to Horus about mutations? I put the 11th in there.

[@yaboimagnus5845]

Damn near 40 minutes lesgoooooo 😂

[@J3WWICK]

This is peak 40k

[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

It is the best logic I found to answer this question seeing it from the perspective of the imperium of man.