40K - The Importance of Lore & How People Don't Understand Warhammer 40,000

It had to be said at some point, that people don't understand this universe.
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[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

I am sure many people will start screaming at me for this video. Also no Pios were mistreated during the realization of this video. Not too much at least. Also I almost had an heat stroke because of the heat in the room I was recording from, because I needed to turn off everything to do my voice lines.

[@TheLastRaven]

For what its worth. I agree with the general message thus far. The canon is important. The comon counter argument i see is regarding the necrons but the necrons added to the universe amd setting there was a reason for them to be changed.

[@TheLastRaven]

Just finished the entire vide very good points sometimes getting straight to the problem is the correct approach. Good job.

[@SlatheTheSpaceMarine]

IMPO : Changes that seemingly fly in the face of established lore (insert IP) and go against the grain of what is commonly accepted, known, or perceived - can only really take one narrative position and remain within good faith and good standing of the (said IP's) fanbase. That narrative position or framework is "Revelation". This only works when it is will thought out, explained, makes sense and makes the audience look back upon previous pieces to see if the new revelation fits in and works with what was previously established. It's the sentiment behind "everything you have been told is a lie". The level and intensity of how hard said revelation can go against what was previously thought to be true though has levels of acceptable tolerance but the quality of writing, intent and how well thought out it is remains static as required aspects otherwise the revelation becomes nothing other than a cheap story telling technique void and devoid of substance and soul. Take for example an Episode of Star Trek Voyager called "Muse". This story is specifically about story tellers and story telling. There is a scene where one of the older writers is criticizing the younger writer for relying on cheap techniques and tropes within story telling to create reactions from his audiences without any of them really being earned in the story and only used because they are popular tropes as well as to use them to manipulate his audiences. This is the difference between creating a new story from your imagination that fits in line with a world or pushing that slightly, even expands on or makes you question what may be possible and push that horizon of possibility - VS - someone going; hey lets just copy Guardians of the Galaxy for the 14th time because people like that movie.

[@WarriorVirtue]

I don't see why they would. Everything you said was spot on as far as I could tell.

[@evansketches]

I can relate to the "turn everything off when recording voice lines" part. Sweat like bullets on my part🤣

[@Oblivius33]

Finally some one calling out MajorKill and Bricky on their inaccuracies.

[@lordgino2006]

Bricky is the first onevto say entertainment over accuracy

[@lewisss3131]

and yet they are often the reason ppl get into the hobby, ironic isnt it? just bcos the lore is inaccurate doesnt mean many of these channels arent “good” they quite literally are both extremely good creators hence their populace, go watch luentin if u have an issue w it i dont understand, its obv for casual lore ppl and not those who know EVERYTHING

[@Cowpitulate]

Majorkill is a company shill at this point. The guy flexes his muscles and talks about women custodies being real and that anyone who contests that are chuds and beta males. The guy will literally take it from anyone and shit all over himself just to remain as extreme left as he can. The guy is a total fucking joke.

[@uberalex90]

Majorkill is one of the biggest loser incels on KZbin

[@firefker]

Majorkill has always been a fucking disappointment shitty humour to sell his fucking rule 34 porn shit.

[@FeeNixBeech]

As a writer, I have mountains of notes just for one story. You have to build a world carefully.

[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

Based.

[@jecsquire9508]

Hell, even for running a DND campaign i have a whole folder of notes and documents linking pc's to plot points, questlines, npcs, future hooks etc. Without attention to detail people see behind the curtain and instead of seeing the world i want to immerse them in they instead see its just me and a crippling caffiene addiction. One of these things is more interesting than the other and it isnt my arrythmic ass :p

[@desolation2438]

"An open mind is like a fortress, it's gates open and unbarred." - The Imperium

[@mitchneal5981]

ROGAL DORN BABY

[@Wulfen73]

"An open mind is like a pot for chaos to piss in" - Ayatani Zweil, Tanith First and Only

[@jackelegman2101]

@@desolation2438 my favorite DoW quote

[@Fenris86]

The argument that "this is fantasy, therefore we can change what I want" is rarely a good faith argument. It is usually a debate trick or gotcha to get you to shut up.

[@shonklebonkle324]

A better alternative would be "this is a wargame, it's meant to be maleable."

[@LordNithilus]

"Okay, then I'll change what I want and now the stuff you like is no longer canon."

[@woaddragon]

You may want to rethink that "With Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000, the notion of canon is a fallacy. [...] Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000 exist as tens of thousands of overlapping realities in the imaginations of games developers, writers, readers and gamers. None of those interpretations is wrong." • Gav Thorpe, Lead Designer GW

[@gallo1160]

​@@woaddragonthat's... so stupid

[@woaddragon]

@@gallo1160 if you don't like that I cannot imagine what you think about Andy Horace Game designer has to say. But one a somewhat more serious note, that how lore kinda always been in Warhammer 40k. Just look at the Necrons

[@lepszykomentator]

This is so Italian, that my Blood Angels are painting themselves🤌

[@mattaffenit9898]

❌

[@spnked9516]

What a lot of people don't understand about 40k ( or Warhammer in general), especially newer fans, is that it is a setting not a narrative. It is a framework from with individual stories can be couched in. The problem with making 40k a narrative (like GW is want to do now) is that "progressing" such a story inevitably means disregarding, dismantling, or outright destroying the framework which initially facilitated it (i.e. resurrecting the Primarchs, inventing the Primaris, waking up all the Necrons, splitting the galaxy in two, etc etc). Honestly, at this rate, I feel like 40k is headed towards it own version of Fantasy's downright disrespectful End Times. Give it 5-10 years, and I think we'll see 40k have its own AoS-type "successor".

[@AAhmou]

As soon as they run out of Primarchs watch GW try to resurrect the Emperor.

[@spnked9516]

@@AAhmou they're already sorta doing that. I mean, the Emperor is already playing a more active role than he did before - I mean, he literally burned the garden of Nurgle for Christ sake.

[@ImperialGit]

​@@spnked9516 You raise a very good point. I'm pretty sure this is what killed Warmahordes: they advanced the story with every armybook release, which led to a way too fast pace of story. GW should have never let Cadia fall (it didn't ;) and just keep the framework in place; with a million planets, there's room for global campaigns and stuff. In my head-canon the setting is the same as it was in 3rd edition (when I started playing).

[@Raygun9000]

You misunderstand. 40k has already had the end times! The age of primarchs is upon us.

[@cdev2117]

Think, "Gaunt's Ghosts". A tale of epic proportions, Heros, Villains etc. But technical not affecting the wider universe. On an galactic scale. insignificant. I'm like 99% in camp "Sandbox", never understood why people want a progressing story.

[@Shin_Godji]

One thing I would add Danny: "The Blood Games were an incredible test of a warrior’s skill and those who could participate in them deserved their accolades. Each game took place on Terra, a live exercise designed to test the defences of the Imperial Palace against assassins. The Custodian Guard used them to constantly assess their skills and seek out weak points in the Emperor’s aegis" - HH Book 42 Garo Another reason the femstodes blood game was crap and lore breaking is that it simply didn't make any sense. The whole point of the Blood Games is to test the defenses of the Imperial Palace. To see how an assassin could manage to gain access. And these tests were done by the Custodes personally. They used their own set of skills to try to infiltrate the Palace. Heck Amon Tauromachian took drugs to stop his heart so he could enter the Palace without the scans sensing him. That's what the Custodes do. They stay on Terra and use their own power to complete the Blood Game. They don't take the easy road by magically trying to teleport a freaking bomb and assassinate the Emperor. They don't go into orbit of Terra and try to force a plan by using other people. Now that I think about it.. it's an Ork plan. This is something only an Ork would think about. There have always been Ork Custodes.

[@mattaffenit9898]

I personally have a much, _much_ bigger issue with the portrayal of the Blood Games. Okay yeah ovaries or something - she did WHAT? EXCUSE me? And they _let her_ do that? Seriously? Are they _TRYING_ to make the Custodes look stupid and inept?

[@colinbielat8558]

​@mattaffenit9898 custodes have always been stupid and inept, they are the reason the heresy happened because they didn't keep a tight enough watch on logar, allowed the space wolves to defy the emperor's direct order to bring magnus to terra, allowed the remaining loyalist primarchs to disperse without custodes bodyguards to keep them safe, allowed the george vandire to take over the Imperium and only stepped in when the space marines came to remove him, never placed a small force on cadia to coordinate defenses at the main exit of the eye of terra, or worse allow genestealers cults to infiltrate terra. They are the most inept force in the Imperium.

[@izzymosley1970]

I think the reason why lore is so important it's because it gives people more reasons to care about the game and the setting sure Warhammer would probably still sell if it was just a tabletop war game but the Lore definitely increases the value of 40k as intellectual property in general because it's not just stuck being a tabletop war game.

[@lordlopikong6940]

Make a poll and see what kind of Warhammer fans there are. The tabletop and painting side of Warhammer is extremely small. Everyone atleast 85% is a lore fan

[@alyassuppaleridhil7892]

There's a lot of lore fans. But unfortunately, the lore is pretty much made for the tabletop game first than for the sake of a meaningful one.

[@pickelhaubewearer]

I find it funny how Majorkill said that Arch's videos where full of lore inaccuracy's and head canon yet Majorkills lore videos have way more inaccurate then Arch's

[@gimzod76]

Is Majorkill still stealing Arch artwork by the way?

[@pickelhaubewearer]

@@gimzod76 Pretty sure chapter master Valrak also stole art from Arch a few years ago

[@ambustio9807]

Arch uses a lot of old lore and ignoring new lore unless he isn't 40kArchverse When talking about old lore he is useally correct

[@TBrianOnline]

Arch at least wraps his videos in humor and satire and isn't afraid of being offensive for the sake of entertainment. At least he is fun to listen to and throws in some interesting flair, which you can't say for others.

[@DnBGolf]

Geneseed is stored in the balls

[@Shadowdrag00n]

Praise Space King!!!

[@kpsmorera]

Ahhh yes, I was waiting for my monthly Italian gatekeeping video

[@secretagenttau2233]

GATEKEEP THE LORE! No Fem-Custodes, no Female space marine

[@bradleydiamond1890]

It only makes sense this whole universe will go up in flames if they put in bitchy woman and troons in the sm or ac and they only do this so they can put a black woman as a space marine in the upcoming 40k show for Amazon that will be absolutely awful

[@mado-wh4jv]

There can be a thing in the eventual future, just not inserted in the past as if they have always been there

[@Carnefice]

​@@mado-wh4jvno they can't

[@mado-wh4jv]

@@Carnefice If Primaris can, they could, although it wouldn't be easy

[@Carnefice]

@@mado-wh4jv I'm saying "no" from an actual fan perspective, that it shouldn't be done and serves no purpose. It also doesn't make sense with the established lore and the ONLY justification ever would be for the elusive "modern audience."

[@spooklyshiba]

NO PITY! NO REMORSE! NO FEAR!

[@AviationJeremy]

Unfortunately, the issue isn’t limited to 40K. This is pervasive in many fandoms. *cough* fat Jedi *cough* Edit: and he brought The Acolyte up as an example. How ‘bout that?

[@NeverDry999]

There are many "rules of writing", and there are also writers who are skilled enough to subvert those unofficial rules. But the one rule that remains ironclad, despite rarely being mentioned, and the one rule that remains consistent across all forms of media and genres is thus: "NEVER WASTE YOUR AUDIENCE'S TIME!" Thus, if you write a story, fictional or otherwise, serious or satire, tragedy or comedy, book or movie, the one thing you must never do is make your audience believe that engaging with your story was a waste of time. This is why remaining consistent with the lore is so important, because when people are invested in your story, they'll expect their investment to pay off in the end. If you disregard the lore, and simply do whatever you wish with the story on a whim, then the audience will realize that all of their prior investment was for naught, and you have thus wasted their time. This is why lore matters, and why people who say it doesn't are not to be trusted.

[@alyassuppaleridhil7892]

God, your explanation is giving me Attack on Titan ending PTSD flashbacks.

[@thewaterguy17]

I have a fun retcon, its the final battle for Vraks, Lord Hector Rex is locked in combat with the demon champion of Korner when suddenly the from tears a hole in reality. The Looney Tunes jump out and tear the entire imperial army apart and then leave. Why the heck not at this point? Great Video!

[@tio_john]

That would justify the Black Templars in their crusade against the furrys

[@flakbait5771]

The "citing sources" is the best bit on this channel; great work. I was actually just thinking about that yesterday. Edit: Needing to understand the lore and how changing it would impact the setting instead of just making the change because you want to? I dub this concept... Chesterton's Gatekeeping lol

[@ULTIMATZEKROM]

Surprised you didn't bring up Bruva Alfabusa. TTS may be entertaining, but I'd say it has also done a bit of damage. Hell, if I'm not mistaken, Bruva Alfabusa actually backed Templin during his whole "Fem Astartes are possible if you ignore the lore" shtick. Either way, great vid, and definitely a vid that had to be made. May the Gate be kept until it no longer has to be.

[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

I found if the emperor had a text to speech device funny, but I am glad it ended, it was doing damage to the lore too.

[@Skritz-mt9zb]

@@ThePontiusGlaw69 Either way, Alfabusa paid the ultimate price as Games Workshop still threw him and his entire crew under the bus.

[@zachowon]

​@@ThePontiusGlaw69it was funnt, but has caused so many myths with lore.

[@keqet12]

While it did do some damage it was explicitly labeled as a parody so I don't know if the damage was truly their fault

[@templebeast1324]

​@@ThePontiusGlaw69 Honestly saw TTS as a fun parody. I'm honestly surprised anyone took it as a place to get actual lore. Also I actually wish it had an actual ending than ending with a cliffhanger.

[@elyrienvalkyr8167]

Majorkill is basically patient zero for dogshit 40k lore. Adeptus Rediculus just added a thousand gallons of fuel to the fire.

[@lunarphoenix_]

As a former Star Wars fan who fled to 40K I feel this. I’m still learning but know where now to go for good lore. I look forward to every video that is put out. I love 40K but I don’t want to be a tourist.

[@chuck2703]

Star Wars is now such a gong show. I feel you, brother. May the Emperor's light shine upon you on your journey.

[@Sara3346]

Proud to be a tourist 11 years and counting 😜

[@lunarphoenix_]

@@chuck2703 Thank you, I’m working on my first marine models now and trying to digest the rules. Love to books and the lore. Finding good sources from KZbin is hard but I’m glad I found some of the better lore tubers.

[@LordNithilus]

You can still enjoy the older movies and video games, you aren't forced to like the newer stuff. Hell if you like the setting you SHOULD voice your dislike of the newer stuff.

[@burtbiggum499]

Brother same. After they de-canonized the eu and started putting out dog shit movies l moved on. Remembered seeing 40k when l was a teenager and was hoping it had remained untouched but as soon as l buy my first box l hear about femstodes and female space marines

[@Lyth13]

“Everything is canon, but not everything is true” This mindset has had seemingly irreparable consequences for 40k…

[@Ave_Christus_Rex37]

After GW did their little female Custodes stunt. I lost all faith in them. After watching what happened to Star Wars, Doctor Who, MARVEL, Disney, Indiana Jones etc etc I have ZERO tolerance for any of this nonsense. Ive seen what happens when people insert certain characters in the story, not because they genuinely believe it will improve the story, but because they want to fill a check list. Ive seen them ruin every fictional media that I love and cherish. Just like making a home brew chapter I'm drafting my own personal fan fic version of 30k 40k and 50k lore For my joy, amusement and my eyes only. It's 90% just regular 40k. The 10% are some pretty good changes like No Female Custodes. More love to the Sisters of Silance and Sisters of Battle.

[@rutgaurxi7314]

I have been trying to write my own setting for about three years now, it's only now it's starting to to slowly come together and feel 'organic.'

[@alyassuppaleridhil7892]

Warhammer's lore is like that "Abominable Intelligence Art" that generates those messy and surreal confusing picture. A more cohesive and organised 40k lore with each faction getting their own 'moments' would be great.

[@mattaffenit9898]

You had faith in a corporation that consistently makes decisions that result in it shooting itself in the face?

[@SheolAbaddonus666]

The problem I have with Primaris is that it - correct me if I'm wrong - eliminates all gene seed flaws. That means Blood Angels don't have the Red Thirst, Space Wolves don't have Wulfen, and so on. They can't fall to Chaos. It just makes them different colors of army soldiers without any unique characteristics other than the things they carry.

[@witoldskrzydlewski6827]

Primaris Blood Angels still have red rthirst, still Space Wolves have Wulfen and Primaris fall to Chaos. (many fall to Khorne after Choral Engine exploded with psychic scream). In creating Primaris Cawl thought that they will be highly-resistand and nearly immune to it, but he didnt know everything about maladies of space marines chapter, because it is their higly guarded secret. He was unawere of Sanguinius Curse or Leman Russ curse. Check GW website and go to blood angels. You will se Death Company Intercessors.

[@malkomalkavian]

There's no way that Primaris aren't all going to fall at once, and make Heresy 2 Psychic Boogaloo

[@haraldbredsdorff2699]

Mine is that apparently we could have improved the gene seeds, but the Emperor with the total power of the empire behind him, where unable too.

[@woaddragon]

@@haraldbredsdorff2699 was not the first batch of new Raven guard recruits after the Isstan.V massacre heavily implied that?

[@Culexus101]

When they introduced them that was the suggestion, but they seemed to realise pretty quickly that that was boring so they walked it back with each new codex. It might've been the plan all along but they leaned too heavily on the suggestion that the PMarines were perfect, which in a universe where part of the charm of the Marines was that they were imperfect made the PMarines look super boring to lots of fans.

[@jaegerbomb269]

Thank you for keeping the gate. Hold until the end!

[@TopazTiger2000]

The end has come and we simply think there’s a gate to hold

[@yopoxikeweapescai9066]

The only tau lore i can remember is SICARIUS stomping that tau female

[@CurrieG16]

tbf that is a cool lore tidbit and yea i like the tau

[@yopoxikeweapescai9066]

@@CurrieG16 translation:i like to **derrogaritory claim** (Xd)

[@tio_john]

​@@CurrieG16 hope you like ceramited feet

[@nathankozak9184]

Not what I expected Heresy posting Chapter Master to sound like

[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

Eh, being italian makes you sound strange even normally.

[@SmaugBoi]

This is exactly how i imagined the Italian Fortuna sounded.

[@theeternalchronicler3072]

Since your talking about lore tubers whats your opinion on Arch? He is usually considered either the number 2 or 3 when it comes to lore channels.

[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

even if he is controversial, and a bit monotone in the type of presented content, he is one of the most accurate ones.

[@ArgentWolf95]

I'd say Arch is fine. He's a Libertarian, even if a bit disgruntled at times with activists who keep gaslighting lore fans. His knowledge of lore is really good. I don't know why he's controversial though. He simply opposes activists changing etertainment for political purposes, which a few recent changes to 40k like female custodes are.

[@ahha623]

@@ArgentWolf95 a while back he posted his political views on his actual lore channel and it rubbed people the wrong way, his now deleted all his political videos on his lore channel and made a second channel purely for that.

[@ArgentWolf95]

@@ahha623 Yeah, I can understand that it'd rub someone the wrong way when you're just there for 40k lore. At least he is now following his own principles by separating his political videos from his 40K channel. I know he isn't perfect, but I don't like a lot of the takes that paint him as controversial as the reasons usually are an attack on pretty normal views. Yours seem fine. Arch's main thing now is gatekeeping political activists who want 40k changed to suit them out. He is speaking for fans like me who are tired of stuff being changed and the concept of canon and lore treated as dirt you can just throw away.

[@maxouventura]

@@ArgentWolf95 I haven't watched a great deal of Arch's stuff, but I agree that his opinions really aren't controversial. 40K fans like 40K because it's grimdark and brutal, so to see it get transformed into yet another leftist, political virtue signal like Star Wars, Star Trek and LOTR would completely compromise the core themes of the hobby. No one has time for identity politics and inclusivity when they're being attacked by literal demons and alien abominations invading from another galaxy. The very idea of the Imperium of Man worrying about gendered language is really, really stupid. If GW won't respect the integrity of their own IP then people like us have to do it.

[@morik8593]

So agressively Iralian. Love it. Gatekeep what you love or lose it to the corruption of chaos.

[@alfieingrouille1528]

Italian

[@josephpalaiologos]

Ama question: have you heard/watched anything by Pilgrim Pass? I know he doesn't exactly cover 40k in great depth, but he's still put out a few videos on them. Slightly off topic from that is that I got into 40k because of one of his videos. I'm mostly here for the lore, and specifically hearing an Italian talk about 40k has got to be one of thr funniest things I've ever heard. I really appreciate your videos, as you have a lot of passion about Warhammer. Keep doing The Emperor's work brother.

[@flaviomonteiro1414]

He is doing God's work, love him.

[@Zentusichernun]

Honestly I love your work. Not only for the research and the passion, but also because you have the will to form concrete and well-argumented opinions and bring them forward (a behaviour I'd surely like to see more in people...). I'm not completelt sharing every thought, but I truly appreciate calling out hypocrisy and superficiality, especially in an universe where you can dive deep and find wonderful complexity. I would also make a joke on the Word Bearers planet that is made up of churches stacked upon each others, but if I learned something from this video is to double check if a bit of lore sounds too absurd or headcanony to be believed.

[@JulianAl-ms2bh]

Getting better at this men, pronunciation still needs a bit more work but you are getting waaay better. English its my second lenguage as well, so i feel you bro. Keep it up.

[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

I don't think pronunciation is changing, italian and english do not match up at all lol

[@TheMeTaLoCoX]

Emperor be praised, this was enjoyable

[@scottnolen2457]

Well said, sir. Just found this page, and I'm excited to explore your content. Keep up the great work!

[@sparking023]

This is the second Italian youtuber I discover that is passionate about history in some form. I'll be following your career with great interest.

[@coltonberry985]

Glad someone called out bricky. Their female custodies response where they just insulted people who disagreed with them and plunged their ears proves they are an unreliable source

[@GenralG7]

Bricky and Majorkill are professional Tourists, they know enough to talk about 40k, but don't invest enough time to learn or understand the lore, and peddle the barebones basics to their viewers. 40k lore is so deep, even a puddles worth of information is impressive

[@dallaschambless8428]

They need to hire you as a QA for their lore

[@taxllax2104]

Amazing video as always. Keep up the good work.

[@SupersaiyanChristian]

Pio, do you need help. blink twice for yes, and once for no. if the lore didn't matter, they wouldn't keep trying to change it. 🙂 also, love the channel. thank you all for doing this!

[@woaddragon]

@@SupersaiyanChristian well it is something they been doing for the last 30 years so.

[@niccolo6865]

I honestly never found inaccuracies in Bricky's videos, and as you said, Adeptus Ridicolous is, at its core, a podcast that is supposed to introduce to the universe with a light take on the lore of the factions and characters, so to make it easier to new fans to get to know the universe without overwhelming them, so later they can get deeper into the parts of the lore they like the most. Again, as you said, their motto is "Entertainment before Accuracy" and they never stated to be a channel where people can get te totality of the lore, on they contrary they invite people to deepen their knowledge of 40k

[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

Oh I did find many instead brother, it varies from the level of lore knowledge you have.

[@Salantor]

"Entertainment before Accuracy" is the type of defense SinemaSins use(d?). Do we really have to tell stories about Ork imaginary tanks?

[@niccolo6865]

@@ThePontiusGlaw69 are we talking about actual lore breaking mistakes or nitpickings?

[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

@@niccolo6865 A bit of both, depends from case by case, but he is one of the people that went "Female custodians change nothing" when as I explained in the video about them, and even here with the short story, how incompetently written they are and how they CAN'T by lore and logic exist. So yeah, he understands nothing if they are "Fine" and "Change nothing"

[@niccolo6865]

@@Salantor I accept the "entertainment before accuracy" when it comes to introduce people to the universe and make it easier for them to get interested and then get deeper into the lore. Plus, they also make Bookclub episodes, where they actually discuss about the lore in books, going straight to the source of 40K lore. I see no problem with that or how they introduce 40k to people

[@yopoxikeweapescai9066]

Bro was spot on in everything

[@CharlesRichelieu-hv7sn]

LOOOL templin has always been a joke.

[@woaddragon]

When it come to lore remember this "Here's our standard line: Yes it's all official, but remember that we're reporting back from a time where stories aren't always true, or at least 100% accurate. If it has the 40K logo on it, it exists in the 40K universe. Or it was a legend that may well have happened. Or a rumour that may or may not have any truth behind it." • Marc Gascogne, chief editor Black Library

[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

Good, then the female custodians never existed.

[@woaddragon]

​@@ThePontiusGlaw69 I honestly don't know what to say to that

[@mattaffenit9898]

"All official, not all true" is the shorter version, I think.

[@garberasandor9699]

"Everything is Canon, not everything is *True* ." ​@@mattaffenit9898

[@ka1juhunt3r]

AMA question, thoughts on the votann and its future potential lore and or any ideas of where they can go?

[@alexandrub8786]

For Pontius: opinion about the AFanWithTooMuchTime serios of SW vs WH40K? What will be the next xenocide video? Favorite non playable lore faction (specifically xeno race)? Favorite and most hated aspect of WH40K? Will there be more theories about the missing Primarchs? Can we expect a Berlusconi cameo(i am sure there is an AI of him somewhere so don't say you can't)? Since you said NSFW area of your brain in the first minute: who is the best girl?waifu in the WH40k canon or fan made? and overal sexiest/hot species? Will you expand towards other IPs or make something of yourown someday? Why did Rome fell ? (this is obviously a joke question, don't expect answer nothing against if you do) How many of my questions do you think are jokes and how many will your answer? Will you upgrade the avatar to a Custodes VTuber?(another joke one) Will you add a xeno to your case of characters or make episodes from other factions (like mechanicus) PoV?

[@Rotom0479]

Pontius, thank you for uploading this treat of a video. Made for a great (belated) birthday present.

[@mrbreeze3954]

For the AMA: have you got any plans on making a video on the officio assassinorum lore? I always liked the assassins although there are so many things I don't know about them, of course I would love to see your approach to the subject, a simple lore video isn't what you do so I would expect some unheard of theory or obscure piece of lore. As always I loved your video and your stance on the subject, keep it up!

[@ArgentWolf95]

My knowledge of 40K lore is more or less in the middle. Love the setting, don't know all the lore, but I know the basics of the worldbuilding, albeit a lot of my knowledge is a bit old. I'm not a guy who who'd do a lore channel. 40K is a setting that if you need to do everything, you may as well do it like a historian who specializes in one or a few areas of history. This is why I like Arch and a few others who are detailed for most stuff I can't research myself or read for myself. Janovich's videos are really interesting and remind me of those history documentaries. Ever since I first played Dawn of War on PC in the 2000's I loved 40K. It';s also refreshing to also find someone who, like me, truly understands the true significance and need for canon and lore in worldbuilding and storytelling. My own understanding of 40k isn't perfect, i'd even say some of it is outdated because of a long break from 40k's deeper lore for a few years while history took it's priority. Heck, I only just found out the Primaris Marines were even a thing a short while ago, or that the galaxy supposedly has split into two. I also still call the Eldar, Eldar. I also really like your sentiment. 40k should be defended from all political activists inserting propaganda, because it's a story for anyone who loves sci fi and fantasy. I'm new to your channel, and look forward to watching some of your lore coverage too.

[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

Let me know if you enjoy it, we also go into extreme details.

[@ArgentWolf95]

@@ThePontiusGlaw69 excellent, I'll do that by posting a comment after watching usually.

[@ArgentWolf95]

@@SusCalvin It seems they're really trying to make 40k about characters rather than the setting. Dawn of War (and 2) are my favorite 40k games for the reasons of how the factions are presented, I heard the Elard are called some other name now, Aeldari? Necrons being an army of undead Terminators with massive Pyramids. that can blow you up is the version of them I like too.

[@yarrick9372]

The more I see what’s happening to various franchises such as Star Wars, adherence to established lore has never been more important. Warhammer 40K needs to preserve what made it popular.

[@lucamicieli6968]

Another excellent video!

[@MrBlueBurd0451]

You are violently Italian and I love it. And entirely correct too. +1 Sub.

[@tc-channelhobby4051]

Saturnine as well goes into this problem. She was only mentioned now and it's already too late.

[@gloomy8795]

Lysander and Koda are also great KZbinrs for 40k, both accurate and funny

[@UltimateDeliciousPie]

I'm an old 40k fan (2nd to 4th edition) but grew into other things, the importance of lore is necessary. Idiots see it as a restrictive thing rather than guide lines or boundaries to be creative, which is where the biggest creative process occurs is when you are limited. It forces you to think and overcome. I used to be a Mass Effect fan until Bioware and their ilk shit the bed. Funny how you mentioned Space Dock, I had to correct him on how a Mass Relay worked, I was told I was wrong. I literally copied word for word from the codex entry about how a Relay worked. Apparently I was still wrong and called 'one of those fans'. Its funny how we get called toxic for wanting to adhere to rules of the universe but those who make up their own head canon get offended when you dare question their insane inserts.

[@MrTexaspreacher]

Thoughts on Pancreas? Great video by the way with an important point. If anything can happen in your universe which breaks the internal logic of said universe, then nothing matters.

[@fabianekmartin]

Love your stuff master Tuna

[@madmanpete]

everyone silent when this dropped

[@xjilnuz3495]

I am not only the keeper of the gate, i am the key to the gate, i am the gate Lmao

[@mrbreeze3954]

Ah yes, my favourite lovecraftian outer entity

[@sunbones]

Here to hold the gate against the first waves.

[@friendlyneighbourhoodsunwheel]

Ave Dominus Nox. Lore is the glue that holds the universe together, if you dilute it the bonds break people stop respecting it. We are the point were it holds or it breaks.

[@kamiwriterleonardo6345]

AMA question, what is your opinion about fleshing out the Tyranids? Not in a "here is another bioform" sense, but fleshing out the inner working of each bioform's thought processes and the vision and beliefs of the Hivemind itself? (Of course, not in a "misunderstood saint" kinda light, more as a "corrupted incarnation of nature" way.)

[@nickchildress616]

Thank god for primarch fortuna. So glad you are doing this channel aswell as heresyposting, we are TRULY The Emperors gatekeepers.

[@ramenoodle7853]

Well I feel underrepresented as there should be male oblivion knights in the silent sisterhood.

[@shonklebonkle324]

Hell yeah. Blanks are rare enough as it is. They aren't even a part of the ecclesiarchy so the decree passive is irrelevant.

[@jimbomacroth3400]

Yes and where are the Misters of Battle? Come on GW, I neeeed to be seeeeen

[@ramenoodle7853]

@@jimbomacroth3400 haha misters of battle. Nice

[@jamesxiaolong2199]

I’m so mad at Templin since they got me into 40k

[@helldrake77777]

For the AMA: To everyone from the team, yes including the screaming guardsman man, do you have a homebrew of your own, and if yes - would you tell us about it?

[@TheLastRaven]

All our chapter relics where legally gifted to us. We definitely dont have a cleptomanic identity problem! Knowledge is power! Gaurd it well!

[@fdandxd3884]

WE MUST STAND STRONG AGAINST SLAANESHI CORRUPTION!

[@BaconSandwich72]

Steven Segal..the God of Shitty Acting taking out Abaddon. That had me laughing!

[@packe93]

I came for the topic but stayed for the angry pasta people. ❤

[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

Pio is more the prisoner pasta person.

[@Balevolt]

Oh, In Horus Heresy Book Severn : Inferno (the Custodes first rules) they are also called sons. And you missed the last line of the intro " But the Universe is a big place and whatever happens you will not be missed..."

[@spacecat3242]

Questions for the AMA: What part of the lore you personally find stupid, parts that you'd change or correct? How do you think - is it possible to introduce Femstodes in the way they wont hurt the lore(tho i hate the change anyway, but GW won't undo it. Only, probably, re-write)? Like "Under the pressure of Guilliman and M42 crisis, traditions that were preserved for 10k years were broken and female infant was tested...". What edition/part of the lore you like the most? My preference is lore that FFG have written(Calixis, Koronus, Screaming Vortex, etc). It's just so good and well sctuctured, telling us the aspect of lore no book or codex usually mention

[@37_newts_in_a_costume]

The female custodes stuff can be completely ignored and the lore is completely unaffected and for the books you can just pretend the female characters are male

[@helldrake77777]

Based. All of my yes. I am very happy I discovered your channel through Janovich.

[@g1g4_ch4d7]

As soon as I heard weshammer say that the Emperor defeated the void dragon as a whole and not a shard of it I got so heated because everyone thought the C’tan gods were weak.

[@gideon_drexlar]

I've always described 40k as Sci fi dark ages. It fits. As for the Femstodes thing. Every time I've posted this it got nuked so I'll share it here... Arguments for: -Its possible, the emperor could totally do it. -I like giant woman. -Lore doesn't matter. Nothing is canon. -Amazon wanted to check boxes. -Suck it chudds Arguments against: -They have never been mentioned (the casual mentions of men & woman in gold armor are the SoS, not Custodes) -The Emperor didn't want trans humans to supplant humanity (so female trans humans make no sense, its also why the Custodes & Marines are sterile) -It ruins the dynamic of the talons of the emperor (men and woman working together to become a stronger whole) -Amazon wanted to check boxes. -Retcons usually come with models. -The real world argument: Custodes are the elite of the elite, and the SAS (one of the most elite Fighting Forces we know of) have very few men pass the tests and no woman EVER has. Whatthe40k had probably the most reasoned take on the femstodes thing I saw.

[@shonklebonkle324]

Also - Dan Abnett always wanted it when he first wrote it and was just banned from making female Custodes because there were no female custodes models. - it's a tabletop wargame, the lore is secondary, if not tertiary. - scribes can be biased, editors may embelish and imperial beurocracy is fucked.

[@gideon_drexlar]

​@@shonklebonkle324 -That was Aaron Dembski-Bowden not Dan Abnett. plus authors wanting to go rogue on their employers wishes isn't really an argument. Your last two "points" are just. -Lore doesn't matter. Nothing is canon. Which is ridiculous as your basically saying no story set in 40k matters Stupid argument, but I added it. Congratulations.

[@ayarzeev8237]

Your arguments against are pretty weak, especially 2, 3, and 6

[@gideon_drexlar]

Weaker than kinks and real world politics? These are just arguments I've collected from various channels talking about the subject. Your comment doesn't have a real argument in there at all. Try having something to add.

[@ayarzeev8237]

@@gideon_drexlar that comment wasn’t intended to be an argument. Here is why those points against in particular are rather weak. “The emperor didn’t want trans humans to supplant humanity” - female custodes would not help supplant humanity as they would also be sterile. “It ruins the dynamic of the talons of the emperor” - men and women would still be working together to become a stronger whole. That doesn’t stop. “The real world argument” - the SAS or any of the elite fighting forces applicants are not genetically altered as in 40K so not a valid comparison. The amount of modification makes current real world comparisons no longer valid. Also just for fun, “They have never been mentioned” - it’s a retcon from an unreliable narrator, so uh … yeah. This is just a statement as to what a retcon is We cannot really assess the arguments for currently since GW crapped this out is such a terrible manner. We honestly need the corresponding lore to assess as we just don’t have everything currently. It could be as limiting as you said or it could be more, GW just did this in the worst possible way so we cannot tell currently. But waiting to evaluate is no where near as fun as getting outraged so can’t do that

[@briancrooks5982]

Could not have stated the last part about gate keeping , better myself….salute you!! “Do not suffer the witch to live, purge the HERETIC , the mutant, the alien!”

[@Heafalore]

nice work tuna

[@michaelriddick7116]

GW: "I'm altering the canon. Pray I do not alter it further." 😑😑

[@zoraius]

Being unable to defeat the imperium, the chaos gods led by Tzneech and Slaanesh decided to corrupt the alternate universe - ours. Problem is we have no Grey Knights to defend against them, only potentials. The Pontius has shown us how to face the chaos threat. One of our first Grey Knights!

[@TheWhyteBoy1]

This is a very good video i am new to 40K started getting into it about a year ago, i was attracted to it because of its grimdark universe, the oppressive brutal nature of it, and the stories of triumph and sacrifice. then all this shit started happening, and i worry about its future, which is very unfortunate, because 40K is amazing. Its so rich with story, its a shame to ruin the entire flavour of the universe because some people there are clearly self righteous, and narcissistic are more compelled to inject their personal world beliefs onto a pre established franchise. it reeks of slaanesh. i liked this video because you dont even bother to get involved in the politics bait. just straight on the subject and eye rolling at their attempts to drag this into a political debate and call you a 'bad person' if you disagree. I came here from your facebook group, didnt know you had a youtube, this is very well done. I wish you the best and hope your channel grows

[@LasseROM]

Your rant has earned my like and following. Your diatribe on KZbinrs has made me consider my own list of Tubers I am following and how accurate they propose to be. Warhammer is not for everyone, but if you are willing to accept the setting you are welcome.

[@dasninjastix]

The only people the lore is important to are the fans. Said again, the ONLY people the lore is important to is the fanbase. Not the writers or the suits or the shops. If the lore as is moves the merchandise it'll remain consistent. If it doesn't, if the themes of 40k are problematic to market for video games or streaming content or ancillary media, they'll change it. GW doesn't give a shit about your time investment or your affinity for the lore. They'll change the rules and then spin the lore to upcharge existing new models. If people stop buying the models or the book or the games then they'll listen, then they'll cater. Going back to my introduction with Epic and 2nd Edition 40k.. people keep buying the models REGARDLESS OF THE LORE. I was shocked to find 40k is as lucrative as it in an age of online everything. No way I would have bet that the tabletop would still be going in the 2020s, even the pandemic couldn't kill it. They still have their consumer base by the balls. It doesn't matter how accurate the argument is or how much history about the lore any of us know, they'll change whatever they need to if it improves the margins. I think videos like this are more likely to be misconstrued than to be heeded. The issue isn't a select few individuals who want to pander to a certain demographic. The issue is the strictly financial, and flows from the top, the power to influence the lore is directly linkes to people's wallets. I love watching KZbin to catch up on 40k lore because I don't have to give GW a dime. They got Primarchs coming back to life at a time when they're wrapping the original Horus Heresy to slowly unfurl a new one that'll follow all the same story. They're going to spend another 30 years telling the same story and nothing will advance or change other than the flavors of Marine. Female Custodies will be like record temperatures of today. In about 10 years you'll be wishing for them. The lore is not sacred to GamesWorkshop, they're not in the lore business. And if they believe they can replace disgruntled fans with new ones then expect more changes, especially if a show is a released. Get ready for Imperial romance and "love conquers all" stories.

[@TheLastRaven]

If i may ask what is your opinion on warior tier. Vox Caster and Baldemort?

[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

Never watched them, so I can't express an opinion

[@TheLastRaven]

@ThePontiusGlaw69 apologies its not Vox caster its a vox in the void

[@overlord2495]

I feel the criticism towards occulus is moot as he plays the part of a historitor in the 40k universe so it is "cannon" to be unreliable. But the tweet was hella stupid

[@shonklebonkle324]

Typical imperial beurocracy. Biased editors and such.

[@rottenmeat5934]

Cawl breaks a lot of lore. He’s basically been embezzling resources for Guilliman’s pet project. Now, is the AdMech declining due to stupidity, or because Guilliman hamstrung them with a secret project to make a new legion of space marines?

[@surrenderfleet]

The introduction of the Primaris (aka being a plan 10000 years in the making that got revealed cooking show "here's a whole chapter of them I made earlier" style) was one thing I really hated about the lore, but it seemed to fly under the radar (probably because it wasn't so obviously trying to pander to [modern thing]). There was a whisper of backlash to it, but nothing like the Femstodes or any of the new BS.

[@vnyxnw]

A really solid video, Pontius, agree with most of the points made, apart from the argument in that Kesh couldn't have teleported the cyclonic charge - she DID have the codes from void shields, and still doubts that the bomb will teleport. This doesn't make it any more retarded though, since it seems only Custodes have access to such codes, and unless we assume someone could've somehow extracted them from the mind of one of the custodians, which is a feat in and of itself, the only ones who could destroy the Palace that way... are Adeptus Custodes themselves, who are stated to be absolutely incorruptible.

[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

It is very wishful thinking that: 1) When she was chosen for the blood games, all her authorities and access codes of anything weren't revoked immediately so she could impersonate a common enemy of the imperium. 2) That anybody could ever turn off the void shields of the imperial palace from outside of the imperial palace. 3) That all custodians wouldn't be monitoring who is using access codes to try and turn off the shielding of the throne room.

[@nephilimorder9622]

I remember you dismantling Templin over his ridiculous female SM and was blown away by your knowledge passion and dedication to 40k I'm so glad that I've finally managed to find your channel and immediately subscribed. We WILL HOLD THE GATE!

[@A_morgna_wes_core]

Whenever a random retcon happens in Warhammer i just immediately blame tzeench for one of his plots have succeeded

[@aguilarraliuga1777]

Wait a minute, aren’t you guys who do those combat patrol battle report. Luv those

[@jackelegman2101]

I am so glad to have someone put this into better words than I ever could have. Thank you! I love your Italian accent, and I wish to see bloopers/behind the scenes of this. 🤌🏻👀

[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

it is a shame we didn't record the ones of the first few videos, Giulio had a meltdown because his 500+ euros microphone sounded worse than the one of Pio that is worth 30 euros, only to find out months later that he was talking to the wrong side of the microphone.

[@LoneSilverW0lf]

Video suggestion from a humble casual with a deep respect for actual lore: what were the “good” changes to the setting? I’ve heard some snidely speak of human/Eldar hybrids that were either retconned out or quietly left by the wayside, the change from the silent terminator Necrons to the more personality rich and cultural diverse ones we have now, something something Space Rats, and I know there were a few others thrown my way while I was calling out the Femstodes bs but I can’t recall them at this time. Personally I find the Human/Eldar hybrids idea to be a joke, the now cultural Necrons to make sense, never heard of space rats before this, but again I’m a humble casual who admits not having the context of these changes. No pressure, just a simple curiosity. Thank you for your hard work.

[@Wulfen73]

I can field this as an old grognard, human/eldar hybrid is a Rogue trader thing, rogue trade being a more or less Beta version of 40k where there were many overt references to sci-fi of the 80's and the lore was still finding it's feet. There were no Primarchs, no Horus Heresy, and space marines weren't transhumans. Space Rats is a few veiled references to the Skaven, a ratman race from GW's other main IP at the time, Warhammer fantasy battles, taking place in a vast fantasy style world, they never really got ported over though like how Orcs and Goblins were ported over into Space Orks . The Necron change I more see as an evolution of the concept, they started as "Chaos Robots" a concept transferred to the corrupted men of iron that appear in Gaunts Ghosts. Then were spooky mysterious robots that said nothing and had no individuality. The retcon brought them more in line with Fantasy Tomb kings, making them more tragic and relatable. You can argue if you like it or not but I think overall it was handled decently. As for Good changes to the lore? I mean I think the subtext of authoritarianism in the Tau was a good add, retconning the 13th Black Crusade into an actual event rather than the somewhat silly result of the old global campaign. Bringing Back Eldrad Uthran, giving the Eldar an actual hope in Yneed, the professionalization of the Astra Militarium (They used to be depicted mostly as cannon fodder) adding power armored grey knights (They used to be all terminators and not have their own force)

[@Silverized84]

i remember only 2 bits of tau lore: the first is sicarius stomping a tau woman, the second is cain glossing the fact that the tau freed from the genestealers were all infected when they sent them back

[@Steelstriker]

I agree with everything you have said, as to truly love something you know it inside and out.

[@TheFifthHorseman_]

24:00: This piece of lore was laid down more than thirty years ago. Retconning it because someone is uncomfortable about it now would just create continuity issues for decades. I'm not opposed to people creating new settings that match their personal preferences more closely - they're absolutely welcome to, in fact (hell, there is something I'm writing myself that features female supersoldiers) - but hands off from trying to retcon ones that already exist.

[@captainsharpie3575]

What’s the next primarch you think is most likely to come back next

[@themagicalspacepapa3109]

It is said that a honda civic is the engine of woe, while the Toyota Corolla is one of the vehicles used by the officio assasinorum

[@blackforestgiant648]

All the "Give me that kind of character" and "Give them that kind of power" is the expression of utter entitlement and total lack of awareness of what it takes for worldbuilding. I started to write my own story, because I kept hearing of bad written scripts for TV and cinema. At first I thought, this can't be that difficult... liitle did I know. It was easy to spot the contradictions and inaedequacies in other people's work, but to my own I was blind. Because of that I despise the respectless interpretations of established brands for the sake of pleasing the so called "modern audiences". If they really feel the need for something new they should create their own brand and not pirate and change established franchises. That is just lazy. And they wonder why the backlash? No one wants lazy people to earn a ton of money, only because their product belongs to a popular brand.

[@maxzxam4858]

The accent makes this video 10 times better. Keep up your great work.

[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

We are adding subtitles to all videos that are out until now for those that might find it difficult to understand, so, there is that too, the first two videos already have it.

[@koshthe1701d]

For AMA: Do you think any of the new stuff (advancement of lore) has been any good, for example return of the Silent King, even though he has effectively done F all. Or do you believe that what has advanced it, is mostly bad. Bonus question: Do you like the exploration of the HH, I personally wish they had never explored it and left it as the mythos it was previously.