The Towers Of Hive Fleet Tiamet - 40K Theories

[@clockwork7daemon]

I can see Tiamat becoming a defensive Hive Fleet, considering their diamond hard carapace. The bio towers could be similar to the Pharos Beacon, considering the appearance of the Cicatrix Maledictum, as you had stated. It does make a lot of sense considering the, pardon the phrase, warping power of Chaos.

[@paulpolito2001]

Like a Cicada Maledictum?

[@Raptorrat]

@@paulpolito2001 *the Ordos Punitarius would like to know your locatio

[@joshuasingleton9373]

Could it be a defense for whatever they are running away from??? 🤔

[@paulpolito2001]

@@Raptorrat lol, that was a bad one. Sorry all.

[@Warrior-Of-Virtue]

I'm suddenly picturing a scenario where Chronus launches a full scale invasion of the Eye of Terror with Tiamat following behind, setting up these bio-pylons to slowly close the eye.

[@StarboyXL9]

I'd like this. It would make the Tyranids the second-best good guys lol

[@makehappyfaces2542]

Thinking of the Tyranids conquering worlds one by one to quite literally zip up the Eye of Terror excites me. It would force the Imperium to make peace with the fact that they'll never be rid of the Nids and there's nothing they can do about it. Kill them and the eye opens back up but leave them and there will forever be the looming threat of a Tyranid stronghold that stretches the entire length of the galaxy. Hive Fleets could retreat to this stretch of space using the Tiamat Tower worlds as safe havens where they can adjust their plans of attack, but at the same time they wouldn't be able to regrow their armies on these worlds without putting the towers at jeopardy since they require entire biospheres to sustain them. Any fleet bold enough to try to steal from these worlds would be met with violent retaliation from the forces of Tiamat resulting in some interesting Tyranid on Tyranid combat. Would make for some excellent lore progression of the galaxy if you ask me.

[@SirBrasstion]

I'm adding this to my head-canon. It's the sort of thing GW would tease but fail to do; lest it draw attention away from loyalist power armour. To keep the plot alive, 40k needs a great game in realspace. It only makes sense that a devastated Imperium would focus on rebuilding and reconquest whilst chaos withers before new hive fleets/new behaviours. Then a great waaagh would rise for a good krumpin' with the gribblies. And so on.

[@klaykid117]

GW usually paints chaos as the ultimate bad guys because they have faces and personality that you can relate to but in the end the tyranids would probably emerge as the actual winners

[@ianharrison5758]

Playing off that, that’s a very direct and easy way to transition the Tyranids into a whole different kind of problem. Imagine: The Tyranids finally develop the ability to feed off pure warp energy and corrupted real space alike. Realizing that the warp is literally an all you can eat buffet, they decide that the best way to eat the universe is to chomp on the chaos gods ass until they get enough data to advance their species even more in the ways of warp munching. By the time the chaos gods look up from the great game and whatever scheme Abbadon comes up, it’ll be just in time to get swarmed by warp Tyranids that literally eat the corruption out of chaos. In a decent reality this would mean the warp is clean now, warp magic is safe now! But this is 40k. The galaxy might want the ruinous powers back if the Tyranids shape the warp to match their own hive minded psyche. The oceans of the warp would turn into a Kaleidoscope of fractured perspective and pure hunger. Fuckkkkk that. That’s such an L for the galaxy, I really hope the Tyranids never figure out of how get fuel from just the warp. If they learn how to slurp soul energy like a smoothie we are all fuckef

[@notvonbayern9202]

Whatever it is, the Tyranids it’s have a brilliant defensive strategy for it. Think, of all the hive fleets running around Tiamet is the lowest threat. It’s not actively running around devouring planets, so you have no reason to waste resources attacking it when other fleets are wrecking ass throughout the galaxy. And even if you attacked Tiamet, they have serious heavy infantry for defence. Whatever they’re building, we’re not gonna know until it’s ready

[@robertnelson9599]

I'm pretty sure it is some sort of intergalactic Tyranid beacon, it is the only thing the Hive Fleets have not tried to build on their own.

[@bigbangrafa8435]

It might be an egg of some sort, a superweapon. Maybe even a physical avatar or manifestation of the Hivemind Itself. Or even better, the old theories from the fanbase were correct, the Tyranids were made by the Old Ones and that construct is some kind of sarcophagus. Who knows? This is one of the trump cards that GW likes to keep around in case they ever wish to flip the table between editions.

[@notvonbayern9202]

@@bigbangrafa8435 I feel like it would be far more likely if the Tyranids made the old ones. Think about it. The old ones seeded the galaxy for all life for no reason, and were masters of psychic energy. Now they're gone and the tyranids who can counter psychic energy roll up and devour all life in the galaxy. It makes sense, but is also kinda horrifying as it means the tyranids are farmers, just on a GALACTIC scale

[@ShaqNasty557]

@@notvonbayern9202 I actually really like this idea

[@snakeyman5560]

@@notvonbayern9202 I still like the idea that the Old Ones made the tyranids as a sort of collection mechanism so that all the time the old ones spent creating different species wouldn't go to waste.

[@matthewharr6881]

The devastation of Baal provided a lot of insight into tyranids. Every organ of the tyranids is a symbiotic organism. The brain, muscle, exoskeleton, hell even the heart is a specialized organism woven in to a form. Could that continent spanning organism be like the brain of all the hive fleets, cordanating them all and the towers are like spinalcord in a way relaying instructions to other parts of the body? The tyranids are often thought of as one galaxy spanning lifeform.

[@Zaprozhan]

The Tyranids building a star-system-sized bioform? I like it!

[@zachm9202]

@@Zaprozhan Reminds me of the Necron's planet sized Siege Engine.

[@aliciacarr9014]

Considering Tiamet may have been in the galaxy for 5k years by this point, that suggests they were the first hive fleet sent in this direction. What if what they're doing is converting the planet Ziaphoria into a primary hive node (for want of a better term) basically the manifestation of the Hive Mind in this galaxy and it's taken this long for it to get to the current point. With ever-increasing numbers of Tyranid hive fleets entering the galaxy, a centralised 'leadership' would make sense to coordinate them to each do the tasks they were designed to do. For sure there would be other secondary things going on in the system, maybe ship creches, Norn queen birthing pools and such, the system as a whole acting like a capital system for the Tyranids whilst they're here. Whether that's a purpose Tiamet specifically has or if it's just the first Hive fleet in a new Galaxy begins the process there, I don't know.

[@michaelhowell2326]

A friend and I were talking about this just the other day. I jokingly ask if he thought the Nids would ever instead of just consuming to the extinction of a planet, just sort of farm planets?

[@Joe-mz6ez]

It seems like the next evolutionary process once they ran out of bio matter to consume. Kinda like mass effect? They seed some worlds, got to sleep and some thousand years they come back to harvest

[@SymbioteMullet]

The nids have eaten countless navigators by now. And gellar fields. This is their astronomicon, so they can now move faster.

[@maxc.8340]

But the Nids from Tiamet aren't red?

[@Wanten-the-stormtrooper]

@@maxc.8340 But they are green, which everyone knows is the best colour.

[@maeton-gaming]

@@Wanten-the-stormtrooper green means go. Source: Trust me, silly Humie ah Ha ha WAAAG

[@Morec0]

I look forward to the rise of the Norn Empress upon the Giblet Throne of Tiamat.

[@kelman727]

How do you eat a gellar field?

[@Restilia_ch]

What of the possibility that they are new ships being grown? The smaller bioforms can be made simply enough by the Norn Queens, but the ships must need a lot more resources and a place in which to grow them. As the ships themselves are connected to the hive mind, would it also not make sense for them to be giant conduits for the shadow in the warp? I have no evidence to support this, but the Tyranids have to have a "shipyard" somewhere.

[@themerchantinblack6157]

that mage seem to be a logical answer given the system it self.

[@carolheward6479]

The tyranid hive ships grow new hive ships themselves they sort of give birth to them some tyranid hive ships grow a mew ship if a specific hive ship gets destroyed like a new synapse control ship for example. The tiamet towers could be turning the tiamet worlds into massive hive ship carriers perhaps so you might not be wrong

[@Bambi_Sapphic]

The great devourer is a galactic neuron cell, Tiamet is either akin to its dendrite, an axon or an astrocytic glial cell.

[@tjpprojects7192]

What if the Tyranids are getting ready for a meet and greet so they can all swap the upgrades from each fleet. That would make every fleet stronger.

[@AxDhan]

a lot of space elves died trying to prevent this, so its entirely possible that the bugs try it again

[@FBI-ju5no]

Ah, and here I was hoping to not have nightmares.

[@ashclaw2306]

One of my favourite HIve Fleets!

[@brendameistar]

And you're certainly their favourite biomass! ♡

[@ANDELE3025]

I also like the: Tiamet is the melding pool (and thus character HQ/where Swarmy could talkd to Yellow King and One Eye) or that instead of the towers being a SitW radio or blocker, that it are warp amplifiers, to abuse the fact that the warp can (with a few hoops jumped) in effect infinitely create matter (possessed>manifested daemons, every power that creates fire/lightning, biomancy, metal repair, etc) without increasing system entropy. Then expand that concept with the shadow blocking off access to the rest of the warp. Imagine a bloodthirster (or even warp creatures like enslavers) popping up on one of its planets just to be stuck, overwhelmed with warp chittering of the hive mind and then for the first time truly experience what it feels like to die and be eaten.

[@Big_E_Soul_Fragment]

Tiamet: Yeah, armies are cool, but do you have _meat towers?_

[@katamed5205]

Farming is where it’s at!

[@TheEldritchGod]

KARL! Is that a meat tower? *I don't know what you are talking about.* I don't why I'm even surprised anymore after the face thing yesterday. *I was very disappointed by that. I expected the nuclear explosion to cook those faces.*

[@rexlumontad5644]

Imagine if the Death Guard and Mortarion didn't go Traitor in an AU timeline, they would have a field day in fighting the Tyranids tirelessly and enduring despite the larger odds against them.

[@Unseenarchivist]

The World Eaters too, I can imagine.

[@Aidenmor1]

yes definitely, they are the perfect counter too the tyranids

[@pauliusthemad3498]

To be honest they wouldn't really stand a chance. We are still talking one marine to one carnifex here, and I am sorry but if one carnifex can murder hundreads of ultramarines, I think it can kill one death guard...

[@joevines3428]

The Emperors children would have alot of expertise when it came to fighting adaptive and savage xenos like the Megaracnids and the Laer.

[@joevines3428]

@@pauliusthemad3498 the death gaurd would have numberd in the tens of thousands and specilize in toxic environments. To be fair any of the original legions could probably take on a hive fleet.

[@oldeskul]

Maybe each hive fleet serves a special function for the hive mind and Tiamat's purpose is to recreate the 'nid homeworlds.

[@_Saracen_]

I like that theory, both that each fleet is acting with purpose for a greater collective agenda and the recreating their homeworlds or some sorta ideal environment/breeding ground.

[@robertnelson9599]

I doubt it, most of the Hive FLeets do the same thing (consume biomass) just using different attack methods. Also, why would the Nids terraform a few planets while devouring hundreds more? They could easily just overwhelm a single planet, reinforce it, then move on.

[@5680009]

Or provide a safe haven in the event that the hive fleets are pushed back. A permanent beachhead/stronghold for the swarm.

[@eichler721]

Chronos and Tiamat are the most interesting Hive fleets dispite being small. Leviathan is so massive and deadly the numbers make it look larger then all the other Hive fleets combined so far.

[@messageinthebottle1673]

Chronos is my my most favorite because of its range tactics and specializing in psykers which is perfect for fighting demons. 👌

[@eichler721]

@@messageinthebottle1673 honestly they are small and specialized but I like how effective they are. I would play the 2 for tabletop but lore wise I know Leviathan is king especially after they emerge from the Octarius empire of the Orks.

[@yugarith158]

Ouroboros is on my radar with Tiamet. Oro is sad to be Ancient with records dating back to 36-37m

[@messageinthebottle1673]

@@eichler721 right now gazgutz thraka is helping them out soooo it can change into the ork favor, Kronos I'm certain they will grow stronger 💪 because of their high effectiveness against choas.

[@eichler721]

@@messageinthebottle1673 we will see but they just had Ragnar a captain in the Space Marines beat him so who knows with GW.

[@MineKynoMine]

I really hope tiamet isn't a random plot point gw will forget about like so many others 😕

[@yadakakadu]

If the current hive fleets are truly just the vanguard, then the bulk of the rest will arrive there.

[@Duppyman695]

scary to think we have only seen the tip of the iceberg, so to speak!

[@Bambi_Sapphic]

The great devourer is representative of a neurone cell, Tiamet are its dendrites.

[@Matt-md5yt]

Sweet glad you talked about this one

[@taosterlord157]

Expanding on the "spires as giant Command and Control node" theory, perhaps Tiamat is adapting to the thin barriers between the Warp and the Milky Way by creating a gate they control to harvest the Warp. Either by sending ultra specialized organisms through or perhaps creating a sort of psychic suction and eating the entities that pass through like an abominable baleen whale.

[@Duppyman695]

Mind Blown! a very cool theory!

[@jeansteeler9377]

Love this lore. I'm now going to make my GSC cult the Choir of the Void, 'missionaries' for Hive Fleet Tiamet.

[@Walsinats4]

I believe it’s a ship yard. Norn queens are not large enough to create entire hive ships, of course those ships are made of smaller components, but as norn queen can be carried by a single biotitan those components would not be remotely large enough to build the biggest nid craft

[@GrandMsterPie]

My theory is that it is a a design to combat warp entities because the Tyranids were made by an Old One. While the War in Heaven was coming to a close its possible that like any normal being an Old One could have essentially 'lost the plot' and created an organism with the sole purpose of wiping everything out. The bulk of the forces were made to deal with organic foes and then some special 'blueprints' were inserted to deal with psychic opponents like the Ctan and Enslavers. Tiamet's towers could be the Hive's way to try and seal the warp like with all the Blackstone pylons.

[@Demigodish4o3]

The C'tan are not psychic though. They are the embodiment of the materium and are absolutely opposed to the warp

[@GrandMsterPie]

@@Demigodish4o3 I'll admit I am not versed at all on the Ctan but with the need for psychic powers to turn the tide in the war which brought the Eldari wouldn't it be logical to say that they have atleast some connection to it?

[@Damien_N]

I wonder are the Tyranids intended to clear the galaxy completely of all life, destroying chaos entirely, to then reseed it with new life? A biological weapon of last resort. Unleashed by a long dead progenitor.

[@_Saracen_]

God's universe scale Ctrl+Alt+Delete button?

[@AloneD.Walker]

@@_Saracen_ I have the feeling they are more like Crtl+X. Created as a last measure of the old one to "fight" the Necrons/C'tan. They devour everything and assimilate the genetical code. And starve the C'tan so of the souls/energy they would need. I would not be suprised if the old ones intended to use all this genetical material, once the Necrons/C'tan were bested, to regrow/repopulate the galaxy. But like with the orks they forgot to install a save system or an off button and now s**t is hitting the fan big time. And no one is there anymore to press Crtl+V afterwards.

[@BlueKatanaWarrior]

Interesting. Having no opposition in a dead galaxy, seeding dead worlds with mountain-sized creatures could be easily used to create more bioships to contribute to the already huge hive fleets on their way out.

[@KelvinKamsg]

@@AloneD.Walker following your lines of thinking, could be the old ones didn't bother to install a save system or off button, because they assumed some of the old ones' race would be around to actively control them. That assumption of old one survival can also be applied to how/why the krorks have devolved into orks.

[@themrfives]

One of my favorite videos gets a remake!

[@yugarith158]

I hope it's either a bio-pylon or a Hive world used to house or make a new tyranid bioform. Possibly a gathering spot for Norn Queens?

[@phreakazoith2237]

Do we know if there was ever a Nid found in the webway? They fought and devoured Eldar so they may knew about its existence. Tyranid hive fleets move super slow but with portal technology they could turn our galaxy into a drive-in.

[@Duppyman695]

good question! if they could use the Webway surly no one would see them coming...... scary!

[@valletas]

Can a tyranid even enter into the webway? It is still technically part of the warp and we know how the hive mind can "disable" it temporarly by casting a massive shadow into it I can see gene stealers entering into the webway for the tyranids but im not sure of the normal nyds can do the same

[@Brought_to_you_by_the_letter_J]

As a player of hive fleet Tiamet I so happy that they are being talked about

[@briankuczynski6884]

This was a very clean and comprehensive explanation!

[@andrewdrury958]

I believe the Tyranids was one of the three races created by the OLD ONES for the purpose of wiping out ALL life in the Universe. The old ones war with the Necrons helped corrupt the realm of souls into the warp. The warp feeds off ALL life in the universe, with no life in the universe the warp cannot feed and would hopefully weaken. Tyranids have the shadow in the Warp and the Tiamet becon could be one of a massive set of stitches sealing up all the warp rifts and the Cicatrix Maledictum. And after all the dust has settled the Tiamet becon could be used to summon the remaining old ones back, which using their knowledge extract all the bio information the Tyranids have 'collected' to restart the universe

[@_Saracen_]

Ooo I like that, gets the brain juices flowing.

[@andrewdrury958]

@@_Saracen_ thankyou if it wasn't for 40K Theories, Arch 'warhammer' and Emperors TTS they basically suggest it

[@TheEldritchGod]

Hey... hey... Over here. **looks around** We're just building a giant sound stage. The Tiamat swarm are basically the Tyranid version of a Heavy Metal rock band.

[@Dinga15]

you have my full attention Hive Fleet Tiamat and Kronos are my favourites of the Tyranids

[@JeanLucCaptain]

Hive fleet Tiamat in 3 phases: Phase 1: Seize Strategic Territory: Phase 2: Fortify it, set up communications relays and supply infrastructure. OR it could be to clear a corridor from Warp distortions. Phase 3: Then defend that corridor in the way only Tyranids could. This is a truly terrifying situation. Clearly, the Nids have determined that it is better to keep certain worlds as essentially Fuel production/resupply and command hubs. I can think of only one real reason for that, why do invaders normally stockpile supplies, set up advanced communications infrastructure and fortify strategic worlds? It's a build-up to a MASSIVE PUSH, they are doing what any army doing before a large-scale operation. If Tiamat had been ordered by the Overmind to essentially set up a forward operating base that can guide in new hive fleets or clear the path from warp storms and demons, then resupply them meaning they won't lose time-consuming contested worlds or fighting demons along the way.

[@IgenTilch]

A Hive Mind sibling? The Tyranids creating a home point in every galaxy they invade.

[@donshipman8441]

Wonderful as always REM!

[@TK199999]

We know the Tyranids can fight Chaos, like with Hive Fleet Kronus. But what we don't know is can the Hive Mind actively engage the Warp and the creatures in it like the other races can or is the Shadow in the Warp the limit of their power. The other part is the problem with the Tyranids creating their version of Agro worlds. That means two things, one that the Tyranids know about and how to operate agricultural with the task of feeding the fleet and the towers. So the that means the Tyranids don't have to cull the galaxy. Since active agricultural is way more efficient than foraging in the galaxy. But we know the Tyranids don't 'like' to do this for unknow reasons. Perhaps as some suspect its less about bio matter and more about harvesting new/fresh DNA. The other part is signs of active agricultural means the Hive Mind has made the investment of Hive fleet and its resources for what appears to be a long term project. Hinting the Hive Mind knows that consuming the Milky Way will take a long long time.

[@sohrabroozbahani4700]

When I came to this channel I went back to the first video and listened to all the questions... so far, this is the most interesting question asked around these parts...

[@gryphonofmight]

Ordo Notificus Present! We Will Provide the LIKES!

[@riley3054]

Aye Inquisitor!!

[@xermasboo5401]

I think the Tiamat variant just learned what their prey do and decided to try it out as there is no harm since it is a blip at best for resources. Farming. The towers are basically probably Triple fold: 1. To act as a Relay system for ships, bio forms, and the Hive mind. 2. Incubators, genetic testing grounds on a massive scale, and Fuel extractors. 3. Concentration systems for Nutrients like sugar sacks for ants just much larger, a food producer by sucking the planets core slowly while mixing with nutrient fuel, and a home for specialized bio forms. As for the planets bio sphere still being intact, well, as stated before they probably just learned to farm.

[@Zerato]

I love this hive fleet but hate it at the same time named my custom hive fleet the same thing and had a similar background before I knew they existed

[@nicolaspetersen6847]

I think the tyranids recognize the danger of the galaxy they've entered. They are not the biggest fish in the milky way. There's the imperium who is becoming proficient at destroying fleets. The eldar whose world ships dwarf even the largest tyranid bio ship, and not to mention chaos. They know they have to change tactics and approach this galaxy differently.

[@Duppyman695]

Adaptation, Tyranids M.O, The Hive Fleets are just scouting to get the measure of this Galaxy, I like your thinking!

[@Southern_Crusader]

The Tyranids are just to op. Way to fucking op.

[@justinanderson5962]

i think tiamat will become the "defender" hive fleet and try to maintain a foothold in the galaxy and we will see more of these tower either start appearing on seeded worlds and or be carried into battle. because theres one thing the chaos forces truly fear... true death. Tyranids deprive the lords of chaos of their most important asset, Followers. Tyranids cannot be corrupted turned or bargained with. With every world devoured more potential followers cease to exist. The lords of chaos know this and fear it.

[@christopherg2347]

A special issue worth considering here is Nyd Travel. Due to the nature of using gravity manipulation, it causes massive seismic events in the targete System. And I would bet the source system does not fare any better (but most reports focus on the world being stripped, not about the seismic events after Nyds left). So they inherently have issues "importing" food for the System. The stuff has to come from local sources. On the other hand, maybe this systems is less succeptible to such issues? A rare save system where you can build a part of a "Tyranid FTL Highway"? A System that can take a lot of incomming and outgoing Nyd fleets without the planets being sterilized by permanent seismic activity? Possible uses for the tower and the system include: Relay: They might simply be a relays for the Hivemind. Simply and mundane. Synapse Creatures: It could be the towers (or the whole network of towers) are simply a synapse creature that ranks above the Norn Queens. Something like a Norn King? Sector Admiral? Blackstone Towers: Possible, but unlikely. Each fleet in itself is a moving Warp Jammer. So there is very little reason for them to exist. If it has such a effect, that is propably secondary. Beacon/Nyd Astronomican: Between the Brood Minds and the Pharos beacon, there is plenty of evidence that they might simply be beacons for the fleets still in deep space. Nyd Highway, step 1: If the System was save, this might be the first target in a Nyd Highway. The later fleets have a harder and harder time to find any world to feed upon. They need a low cost way to get to save worlds. And jumping from "Tower System" to "Tower System" might be the Nyd way of doing that.

[@daniell1483]

My guess is that the Towers serve multiple functions. Beacons like the Pharos Beacon would be useful to have with the unprecedented Warp activity in realspace at the time. The defensive nature of Tiamat bioforms also suggests that Ziaphoria is something of a fall-back position for the Tyranids, a Fortress system so to speak, for other Tyranid forces that have been routed. The Cadia Pylons' ability to push back Warp-based activity as the Pharos Beacon did with the Ruinstorm also would help on a strategic level, keeping lines of travel clear from Warp interference. So, my speculation is that the Towers probably serve multiple functions.

[@poodlescone9700]

The Zerg overmind got Isekai to the 40k universe when it died and now leads Tiamat.

[@The_Murder_Party]

Seems legit.

[@akumaking1]

Speaking of Zerg iseaki, read “Her Majesty’s Swarm”

[@SirBrasstion]

"Awaken my child, and embrace the glory that is your birthright. Know that I am the Tiamet meat tower; the eternal will of the Swarm, and that you have been created to serve me. Behold that I shall set you amongst the greatest of my Hive Fleets, that you might benefit from their biomass and experience. Yet your purpose is unique. While they carry forth my will to the innumerable Broods, you have but one charge entrusted to your care. For I have found a creature that may yet become the greatest of my agents..." "IT IS I, CATO SICARIUS!"

[@chosenofkhorne2951]

Why destroy planets when you can be a farmer 👨‍🌾

[@40KTheories]

"Cuz oi goh ah bran' noo comboin 'arvester"

[@rodneykelly8768]

I agree, Tiamet a farmer.

[@chosenofkhorne2951]

@ Rodney Kelly and this also helps the tyrinids in the long run rather than destroy everything is better having food that not only evolves and adapts but can also in theory have an infinite number of food 🥘 as if they just eat everything then what will you eat when your food ran out

[@Rhynome]

@@40KTheories an oi'll gi you tha biomass

[@elricengquist9989]

I could see it as something like how the nids created the first set of space-based nid ships they use. I mean the nids unless fully built by a outside force, would have had to evolve an grow on planets, and then when they got to a point they needed to escape those planets built ships to escape the worlds. As such what if they took eons to fully an completely transform the world they lived upon into the first an largest of the nid ships for the fleets, and than if you had a nid ship die an the nids on it scattered to the many planets of the system it had died in, than I could see those nids enacting a plan to make a new ship for themselves if they still had a high up nid to coordinate them. It would be interesting though if this is the nid's take on a forge world, and they are using this system as a full on forge system to build a new fleet within the galaxy.

[@_Saracen_]

Does anyone know how Hive ships are actually built/grown? That was my first thought when watching this video, maybe those towers are like.. early stage hive ships being grown? Or are they built when a world is being devoured, maybe those giant bio-straws they use to suck up a worlds biofuel eventually turn into early stage hive ships or something. Also anyone know how big they are compared to say a battle barge? or the Phalanx? I mean if they're biological i doubt they last forever so they'd need to replace them and grow new ones after losses.

[@reggieking1045]

My Theory - The towers are like long distance connectors for the hive mind to extend it's psychic reach and therefore enable the hive fleets to travel deeper into the universe after they've finished devouring the milky way galaxy. That's why the towers are so well guarded. They are absolutely essential to the hive mind's ability to project it's will across massive distances and there will likely be many worlds with these towers spread around the areas of the Universe they have already fed upon creating a psychic link with each other like a gigantic game of join the dots.

[@davebowman9000]

Personal theory: It's a neurological center. A sort of coordination hub for all the Hive organisms to communicate. Those things potentiate the telepathic abilities of the Nids until the Shadow In The Warp effect is achieved.

[@jameswilliams2075]

If the name tiamat is to be taken literally tiamat was a water god of primordial creation they might be making a super psychic hive fleet but I like the pilons or becon theory

[@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370]

The Overmind from Zerg somehow ended up in 40K after Fenix's "sacrifice". At least they don't have vespene gas.

[@40KTheories]

*Tassadar.

[@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370]

@@40KTheories d'oh I forgot😭. Still don't forgive Blizzard for keeping him alive in LOTV and making his sacrifice worthless.

[@TheAnon03]

The Tyranid swarms are the bodies of the old ones that left the galaxy. The "Shadow in the Warp" is a defence mechanism against chaos and other warp entities.

[@CyrodiilCome]

That's just halo

[@_Saracen_]

It's starting to kinda look that way, the another weapon against the warp thing anyway. Wouldn't be surprised given their abilities. But the theory that the 'nids have gobbled up every other galaxy in the universe and they're coming in from all sides thing is so damn terrifying, that it would probably be more appropriate for 40k.

[@Symbioteposion]

0 evidence and most lore goes against this

[@TheAnon03]

@@Symbioteposion No lore goes against it. As for evidence, direct evidence? No, you are right, there is none. But indirect evidence? Plenty. Take what's actually known about them. Tyranids come from outside the galaxy. Some lore suggests that the Tyranids are the ones that seeded much in not all of the life in the galaxy. Tyranids are purely biological beings known for their bio-engineering abilities. Tyranids are controlled by entirely warp based hive minds. Tyranids are obsessed with collecting biomatter (far more than their fleets require) and genetic information. Tyranids are often best thought of not as individual entities but as cells within a larger body. Now I ask you this, if the Old Ones who left the galaxy during the War in Heaven or even long before then, the same Old Ones who were said to have seeded much if not all of the life in the galaxy and ascended to become purely warp based entities themselves, the same old ones who were the undisputed masters of biological manipulation and who created countless races simply to perform a role or a task that they required, if those Old Ones were to return to the galaxy what would it look like? To manipulate the materiel universe they'd need physical bodies of course, robust ones, ones not easily killed, weakened or subverted. Being weak to warp based attacks they'd need some kind of defence against warp predators. Why would they come back? To "fix" the galaxy, quell the realm of souls and end the Chaos Gods by wiping it clean of life, and then reseed and repopulate it again, this time keeping a more careful watch. Tell me that a giant hive of beings all slaved to a single overriding will acting like cells of a single larger organism, an organism that is constantly reworking and adapting itself, that comes from beyond the galaxy, that consumes all life, that takes in all DNA it can and in all forms, that leaves empty dead inert worlds in its wake, that projects a shadow in the warp that is nearly impenetrable. Tell me that that doesn't sound like exactly the sort of thing the return of the old ones would look like.

[@PelinalDidNothingWrong]

I'm still convinced Tiamet is trying to terraform the worlds of the Tiamet system into some kind of centralized hub for Tyranids or some kind of psuedo-warp beacon to draw in more Tyranid Hive Fleets

[@akumaking1]

Can blackstone be used against the Tyranid Hive Mind?

[@UncleMikeDrop]

Maybe, Tiamat is the next step in Tyranid evolution with a focus on sustainability as opposed to unfettered consumption.

[@poodlescone9700]

Hippie Tyranids!

[@UncleMikeDrop]

@@poodlescone9700 Homesteader Tyranids.

[@katamed5205]

A thing I noticed the other day was that you have aggressive Behemoth, ravenous hydra, sturdy Tiamat. Not perfect 1 to one comparisons. But what if behemoth is red in correlation to khorne. Hydra and maybe Leviathan are purple blue like Slaanesh with their excessive hunger. And gorgon and Tiamat are green. Both having the toxin and resilience aspects of the plague father. Maybe they are adapting the locals and passively tap into the warp. A low level effect compared to the ork was WAAAGH! Field. And the powers of faith by the sisters of battle. Or more disturbingly. The hivemind isn’t as incorruptible as we thought. Another theory I had was that ultimately the tyranids want to extinguish all other life. Making the hivemind the only entity feeding the warp thoughts, emotions and memories. Giving them full, uncontested control over the warp. And as a result of wielding such unfathomable amounts of energy and control. The tyranids could suck up stars and black holes, reverting them into less entropic states. Thus making the tyranidsnot just the gods of the immaterium, but the material world as well. No need for farms, no need for Dyson spheres or any other work intensive efforts. But for this ultimate ascension to occur they need to first rid themselves of all other competitors.

[@Duppyman695]

Chaos Nids..... If they didn't scare me before, they do now!

[@makeitcold6649]

Since the best strategy to date has been to draw the nids down planetside, and then perform terminatus, this would negate the strategy as this system could act as a fall back/refueling stronghold, a communications relay and forward operating base for the hivemind.

[@seelenverkaufer4861]

I see it as multiple things. It's like a pharos beacon, farm, and an outer space motel 6.

[@TheEldritchGod]

Tryanid Motel Six: We'll leave a space marine burning for you.

[@Robustacap]

Tyranid Homebase/Supply/Communications base, to ensure the foothold of the Tyranid rampage. Maybe Tiamat functions as a "Secret Police" and emergency defensive/supply center with specially designed planet and flora/fauna. Also, we have no idea how much in fighting the different tendrils and fleets have between them, surely each has a higher synapse being that communicates with the Hive Mind. Maybe that connection is so important that Tiamat enforces and makes it stronger as well as guarded.

[@LordSaladKing]

What if they are trying to create a new "warp God" based off the shadow in the warp in order to kill warp creatures and the geanstealer cultists that fall to tiamat are spreading their beliefs to make the process faster

[@MADSAHAD]

Let us take a step back a moment. The nids as we know them, are a combination of different organisms coming together for a particular purpose. We know that different hive fleets act slightly different from each other and we have thanks to 40k Theories the actions of Hive Fleet Hydra acting as a built in Nid recycling system. Why can't we have a hive fleet who's purpose is to be a Nid communication system for the active Hive Fleets we know of and thise we don't. Tiamat mission could be to help coordinate the separate hive fleets so as to bring them under the direct control of something we have not seen yet and coming in reinforcements plus telling said reinforcements what to expect and where to expect it. Nids have a nasty habit of evolving to all that the galaxy has to throw at them and they don't stay beaten for long. The "Brain Hive Fleet" and reinforcements that Tiamat is about to call for might just be the end of the galaxy as you know it.

[@kymmxnecros2149]

These are my favorite race in WH40K

[@marcwittkowski5146]

I wonder if Remleiz will ever pronounce "Tyranids" correctly.

[@cfo138]

The "first" planet/system they were documented by the Imperium in is/was Tyran, which is pronounced as tie-ran. All that being said, "teeranids" sounds better to my ears.

[@jamesharrison2763]

Yeah I thought it was Tyr-a-nids. Tyr pronounced like tear ... Like a tear that you cry. Does that make sense? Lol. Not Tie-rah-nids.

[@malaltherenegadegod]

Again, mechanismith!

[@chosenofkhorne2951]

How it feels to know that nekowho is a main character in age of sigmar together with zuvasin and hashut and of course the great horned rat hehehehe

[@malaltherenegadegod]

@@chosenofkhorne2951 *turns hat around on head* Giant Horned Rat, I choose you! Pokeball go! *Cataclysmic doom ensues.*

[@channingdeadnight]

It has to be weapons research. With the Tyranids biotechnological level, developing a systematic group of organisms to turn a planet like Mars into a bio farm would have to be child's play. The Tyranids would be a lot smarter to do a little farming, rather than stripping every planet they come across. Also the best reason why such an evolutionary advanced species would have to be designed to have such a one tract mind.

[@Morrigi192]

If a bunch of 'Nid fleets keep stopping by, it might function as a more general intelligence and research hub as well - a place where all the information they've gathered in the galaxy can be dropped off, examined, and relevant data and analysis can be transferred in maximum detail. Might also be a command post, trying to keep the various fleets working towards the same goal.

[@R17inator]

Holy cow, Tyranids are starting to build colonies now instead of just omnomnoming planets down to the bedrock.

[@fumarc4501]

Hivefleet Tiamat: It’s free real estate. Gonna flip it and make a *killing*

[@krieg_guardsman9548]

What is the warp like after a Shadow of the warp moves on? Is it more stabilized and then becomes chaotic after a period of time? Could it be that the Tyranids are actually designed to calm the warp by removing everything that's messing with it not only too kill and devour

[@Dontreallycare5]

Tiamat's towers are a massive network hub that pulls in, organizes, and then redistributes all the information the various genestealer cults collect for the greater bulk of the Hive Mind to process as it emerges from hibernation as it nears the galactic edge . . . . Or its the B side of a warp gate that will lead back to the last galaxy the Tyranids consumed and their primary forces are still waiting for the vanguard to establish the beach head . . . or its the Astronomican for the genestealer fleets to utilize once they consume Big E and crash the Imperium's ability to maneuver from system to system . . . . or finally, its a warp weapon which the the Tyranids have been building to kill the Hadex Anomaly which the Imperium will realize only after they have already destroyed it and fucked themselves out of a way to close half of the Great Rift. The last one is my preference, though the first one probably makes the most sense.

[@nidnoms3622]

i feel they do fit the bill as a weapon against chaos, amplifying the Shadow and closing warp rifts... but what if the planet starts moving?

[@IronWarrior_69]

Now those are some nonhungy bois

[@SeanWilliamGeorgeBuc]

Tiamat has the tism and the towers are their Lego.

[@alexjones6141]

The Tyranids built the pyramids

[@f34r0r]

The Tyronidz

[@Duppyman695]

I would say that was The Necrons, because Tera could be a Tomb world!

[@mydgx9813]

So is "Pantry Worlds" the actual term used for Tiamat's secondary worlds, I need to know who to refer to as "clever" for it. The implication it gives fits so well if the theory of them being left to their own devices and occasionally harvested is correct. (Because normally such worlds would be "Agri-worlds" or "Farming Planets", which give the impression of active work whilst "Pantry World" would be more of an inactive or passive version)

[@scarecrow2097]

I think I want models of this fleet

[@achair7265]

*It ain't much but it's honest living.*

[@kasus123]

I do like to believe that nids just want to close the eye of terror and also delete the chaos gods and make the warp calm again.

[@adriannaranjo4397]

They're just playing Minecraft

[@icaruscarinae]

Before you tell me, quick guess, mass teleportation

[@Morrigi192]

Parts of their fleet did randomly show up in Segmentum Obscurus at some point, which is halfway across the galaxy.

[@PTLANS]

Do pylons block the shadow? Could the towers be larval nid ships?

[@davidthomas2870]

I cant help but see the parallel in the pilgrimages of tiamats adherents and the black ships of the imperium. Wouldnt it be easier to fuel the golden throne if the psykers came of their own free will and you could utilize far lower grade psykers so that the common citizenry would make suitable fuel? Perhaps that is their game; a far more efficient version of the Throne, to attract warp vessels and warp spawn alike, like the lure of an incomprehensibly large angler fish or the sweet scent of a pitcher plant.

[@phreakazoith2237]

living beings sacrificed to fuel mysterious installations, yeah that's quite a parallel. But maybe in this early stage Tiamat's construct is those pilgrims are sufficient because only their biomatter is needed. maybe they gonna need something stronger when these things are complete. But Tyranids already have these psykic bioforms so they can spawn them if needed. looking at the imperium, if common citizens would be suitable fuel for Big E's throne there would be no need for shipping in dangerous psykers. Common citiziens flock to Terra in their millions, dropping dead arriving at the eternity gate.

[@davidthomas2870]

@@phreakazoith2237 we understand the so little about the golden Thorne's function, we dont know if those that die before the eternity gate AREN'T helping in powering it. We do know almost nothing, only that psykers are used to power the throne and it's dangerous to be around. What of the danger is that it sucks out anyone's soul that comes to close to power itself? All humans except for Nulls are at least latent psykers in 40k, albeit very weak ones relatively speaking. Additionally, strong belief has power independently of psychic powers in 40k, so people who believe hard enough to get to the eternity gate in spite of knowing that it's a death sentence have to be contributing to the god emporer somehow, similar to how the sisters can perform miracles if their faith is collectively strong enough. And there are thousands of them, a never ending horrific death march to the door, never wavering, never ceasing, by their tens of thousands they come all to die before Him. If singing some hymns and believing really hard has the tangible effect of diverting bullets and spawning in living saints there is absolutely no way those people make their shambolic pilgrimages isnt doing SOMETHING.

[@carolheward6479]

I will be dossapointed if the tiamet towers are beacons solely but i was just going to type that they could be tyranid pilons so thats cool we both thought that. I would like the tiamet towers to be converting the planet into a hive ship. Tyranids need no beacons they could grow a massive hive ship for that but they could be beacons aswell but somce tyranids dont head for tiamet system i doubt it.

[@cawlsthirdfoot1982]

Pantry worlds got me, good onr rem

[@doomdude9405]

So basically Tiamat are/is farmers? Neat.

[@matticusmachinist]

Farmer nids? Hmm. A foot hold. An infestation. A balancing force? Different ideas. Not alien enough.

[@es83stevenson88]

What if they are trying to create thier own version of the webway? It could be the first "webway" gate in a new network

[@pat0652]

The could be the organic equivalent of Blackstone constructs meant to drive back the Warp breaches into real space.

[@joseantoniosantiago1258]

What if Vulkan led the Imperium after the War of the Beast?

[@adamradford8053]

Huh, I've never been this early. Within the first 100. Let's see these bugs!

[@kriegsmanalpharius]

All hail the great devourer

[@antilogic81]

Maybe the hive mind is moving into the galaxy and preparing a sufficient host body - that being 1 more planets within the system.

[@glenmcgillivray4707]

Hive fleets. Must co-operate. Queens. Must co-ordinate. Fleets without Queens go feral and do their own thing. Queens must be kept in order. Feral zerg must be brought into the fold. For this purpose we need more power. And guaranteed supplies of matter to sustain this power hungry project. And with central guidance fleets can keep threats at Bay, or attack staging areas. The Tyranids don't have a concept of the warp. The warp was distorted across this one galaxy. Gaining control over the warp to make food more pliable would be nice. But first the hive must learn. And it must adapt. And it must grow. And the easiest way to accomplish this is to eat the squarts (completed) and grow their central core hub. Maybe planet sized communication arrays? With as much power as the Light of Terra.

[@npswm1314]

You did this before? I know because its in my history.

[@40KTheories]

It's a remaster yes (as stated in the video description), since the original from 2 years ago lacked the information from the 8th edition Genestealer Cult codex which is now in this version.

[@Glitch_Online]

Humans were once Hunters and Gatherers... maybe Tiranids are also changing into farmers.

[@SkyFly19853]

Alien 1979 : Warhammer 40k Tyranid 😏

[@_Saracen_]

I wonder what poor species got gobbled up to give them that diamond hard skin.

[@f34r0r]

A norn queen did that to my dong.

[@cesarerinaldi6750]

If you see the images of two gormiti called Spiritonero and Magufo (G. Wiki Final Evolution) can you tell me if Vulkan and Salamanders are good for Nurgle and if Horus and Luna Wolves are good for Slaanesh? My Heresy, the Iron Heresy: Perturabo and Iron Warriors/Metal Guard for Khorne (magical Metal body and Blood soul); Mortarion and Death Guard/Stone Guard for Nurgle (magical Stone body and Poison soul); Alpharius Omegon and Alpha Legion/Ice Guard for Tzeentch (magical Ice body and Mist soul); Konrad Curze and Night Lords/Night Guard for Slaanesh (magical Night body and Shadow soul). Example for IW: Aka The Demonic Knight by Tyfanis on DeviantArt Example for NL: Slaanesh by Angron-The-Red-Angel on DeviantArt The sorcerers of the Blood God use their magic, unlike the others, only for war? A gormiti called Mastodontico and another called Malvagius are exceptional examples! (G. Wiki Final Evolution) Both in the original and not, the Gods of Chaos have, in addition to a Demon Primarch, a Chosen One. Typhus from Death Guard for Nurgle, that I didn't change, who of the Night Lords for Slaanesh (Lucius): Sevatar or Talos? who of the Iron Warriors for Khorne (Kharn): Forrix or Falk? and who of the Alpha Legion for Tzeentch (Ahriman): Dynat or Pech?

[@crakataka3250]

Best hive fleet due to sexy color scheme!!!! 😍

[@passeddown9979]

wait a minute.. 7 planets controlled by a Tyranid Hive, contructing towers of pure dark energy in the warp? What if this hives end goal is to transform the 7 planets into 1 large Tyranid/Hive fleet hybrid and then devouring the other Hive fleets in the galaxy to absorb all of the information necessary to ultimately destroy the galaxy..