The Scattering Of The Primarchs - 40K Theories

[@StephanieSwanQuills]

Always a pleasure to work with you Remleiz! I hope you all enjoy our captivating voices!

[@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370]

Excellent job, Ms. Quills!

[@inyobase127]

Always a pleasure.

[@InquisitorMatthewAshcraft]

And I enjoy HEARING your voice 😊

[@Gyrannon]

Personally, I'm curious what an audio book would sound like if all the voice actors/actresses from Rem's videos took part in voicing the characters and narration.

[@jv8462]

"I wanted to protect my sons, so I yeeted them into Hell" Erda

[@thesmilinggun-knight9646]

Best mum 2020 but seriously allow me to play devil‘s advocate for a second she didn’t really know what happened to the Primachs.

[@ParanoidPacific]

@@thesmilinggun-knight9646 but that's... worse. You get how not knowing what happened to the babies you yeeted into hell is worse, right?

[@general5119]

Imagine having a bright future ahead of you only for some douchebag to yeet you across the galaxy -_-

[@wearecentaur7755]

@Jorge She wasn't trying to protect them. She was trying to spare them from their future terrible lives of death, i.e. kill them. She couldn't bring herself to do it herself with them being her sons, and also it would be EXTREMELY hard to kill 20 Primarchs, even in their infancy. The only way to get rid of them all fast enough would be to throw them into the warp, which should have killed them pretty much instantly.

[@schneewolf23]

Konrad: thank you mum 🙄

[@takahata101]

Thank you for having me as Konrad Curze!!! It was so much fun to portray someone on the edge of madness!!!!

[@MrHellsing76]

You did fantastic, I hope you get in some TTS Madness soon lol.

[@drekbleh7081]

"Yes, now they're safe away from him" The emperor after he learns the butcher's nails is slowly killing Angron and he can't remove them "Look what she did to my boy..."

[@TheBestestKitty]

"Dammit Karen"

[@seanz9189]

Poor Angron :( The only thing spoiling this, is the rest of the conversation the emperor had with Land when they were trying to examine Angron. But I have my own theories regarding that.

[@TheOneTrueEmperor777]

Than why didn't Emps Take (at least why do you think) them out? seriously asking here.

[@drekbleh7081]

@@TheOneTrueEmperor777 The butcher's nails are probably some dark age of technology shit because even big E had trouble with them(given it affects your mental state maybe it bonds with your soul or something). I think it was mention Angron had a head injury before the nails maybe that had a part to play. Upon examining Angron he had 2 choices 1- remove them with a 99.9999% lethality rate 2- let Angron live in suffering and fill his life with direction and meaning, and maybe find a way to remove them safely. Though he discounted ever finding a solution to the butcher's nails Also he didn't ask Angron, given his personality that boy would've chosen lethal freedom over living in pain. With these two choices he wanted Angron to be as useful as possible before he dies. Tangent - given the primarch clones(made by Fabious bile) have the personality and memories of their original there was a missed opportunity to have a Angron clone free of the nails, maybe he sees chaos as another enslaving force and flees to become a renegade to both chaos and the imperium

[@seanz9189]

@@TheOneTrueEmperor777 I don't know if you were asking me or OP but according to the novel The Master of Mankind, the butcher's nails are integrated into the brain in such a way that their removal would have been lethal to even a primarch.

[@poodlescone9700]

Techpriest: My Lord, why do we need to surround your laboratory with our most powerful Gellar Field? Man Emperor of Mankind: No reason. No reason at all.

[@mercenarygundam1487]

ARGEL TAL! YOU CAN'T DO THAT! YOU WILL CREATE A TIME PARADOX! *MGS3 game over theme*

[@BlizzardofKnives]

Then he'd just need a Tardis to hold it in place.

[@გიორგიმოსაშვილი-ო3დ]

Haha primarchs go yeet

[@Le-cp9tr]

Astrates basically enacted the worst custody battle in galactic history and now the Emperor only gets his kids during weekends and holidays

[@thesmilinggun-knight9646]

I would like to know what she thought big E was going use his sons for if not for fighting and leading the armies of the imperium of man?

[@Kalashinator]

@@thesmilinggun-knight9646 Transhuman baby knife fights in international waters. Truly the sport for the discerning bettin' man. May have to leave Terra for someplace with an ocean, though.

[@commissarlugh1040]

@@thesmilinggun-knight9646 knitting and finger painting.

[@buenapilapil5513]

And now, every time the kids come over, they're trying to kill dad and failing miserably

[@jesseberg3271]

@@thesmilinggun-knight9646 you know, a tremendous amount has been achieved, in human history, without fighting. If you add in what has been accomplished with some violence, but without resorting to fullscale war, it's a truely monumental amount, and that's just with merely human abilities. Moving at a slower pace the Emperor and twenty superhuman Primarch's could probably have united and rebuilt the Sol system in under a millenium and without major wars: or at least without major wars against other humans. It's a vastly different point of view from the Emperor's, and it wouldn't lead to the 40k setting. But it's not an unreasonable position to take, given the circumstances they found themselves under.

[@Brother_Nihilus]

If the Emperor really chose the planets then he REALLY wanted to abort Angron.

[@12NuKe21]

I wonder what he wanted to do with Mortarion then..

[@Brother_Nihilus]

@@12NuKe21 perhaps anti chemical and toxic environment specialist

[@Gaben38]

According to some of these theories emperor's plotting and scheming might as well be better than tzeentch's.

[@ancientgearsynchro]

"I'm sorry sons that I threw you into the sea of literal mind r*ape and scatterd you unto different worlds, some of which enslaved, used, tried to kill and mutated you beyond recognition. But you see, me and your dad just wanted different things and in these kinda things there are no good guys and bad guys, just people trying to do whats best." I'm gonna stick to the word bearers scattering them, as they cost me significantly less brains cells to process what happened.

[@tincano-beans2114]

Many worlds raised their sons with love and caring. The emperor was literally going to use them as butchers of the galaxy and no better than slaves...her point was to give them a chance at a life. Anyone trying to bring emps plan harm would have stolen the primarchs and dropped them into a star...

[@ukaszbiaek6641]

@@tincano-beans2114 yhm So helping EMPS to create supersoldiers and generals to be used in war is gasp making them soldiers? Shock. Primarch suppose to be governors artisans atchitects polititian not butchers as Space Karen thinks

[@ancientgearsynchro]

@@tincano-beans2114 For every one that had a family, I can name another than was trapped on a hells planet. Konrad in Sin City the world, Russ being raised by wolves, Ferrus that needed to fucking eat sand for the first couple month to survive and Angron, becoming the embodiment of what she tried to avoid.

[@helldrake77777]

@@tincano-beans2114 Everything in Saturnine was cringe on the scale of Cawl. The council of perpetuals - yes, lets align ourselves with this guy who makes biologically enhanced super soldiers and wants to take over the world. Oh what? He wants to advance humanity's evolution and take over the galaxy? Nah, we don't like him anymore, lets betray him. Then that thot, who had absolutely no reason to exist, since she doesn't have any effect on the Primarchs lore, doesn't add anything of significance other than more "Hurr-durr Emps is a bad person." and because tube mom in Mt. Everest was perfectly fine, who got so close to the Emperor to A - help the Emperor against the perpetuals betraying him and B - give her genetic material to create the Primarchs, suddenly goes "he is going to use these the same way he uses all of his other geneticly enhanced warriors.... But these ones have bits of me in them. I don't like him anymore. Let's ruin everything." The stupidest thing from the whole of it, however, is by far the part that the Emperor, the Emperor of all people, did not personally go out to find her and flay her soul, after she, apparently, singlehandedly ruined all of his perfectly laid out plans. Like ffs, he was going to spank Magnus' ass for breaking the webway, where Magnus had infinitely more use to him then her. But she takes his at the time culmination of his life's work and just yeets it in his ultimate enemy's back yard.... And she just gets away scot free? Nah. That is dome grade S bullshit right there.

[@FuKuNinja]

SJWs ruin everything

[@svagglaorde4387]

Alpharius: What do you believe? A. Chaos Gods scattering the Primarchs. or B. How Karen took the kids, the Warhammer 40k way.

[@victortang7610]

Yes the unhappy mother scattered them, but what did she use to achieve it? A spell? A warp gate? A deal with the devil? Did anyone explain that tiny detail?!

[@40KTheories]

I suspect that she simply deactivated the geller fields surrounding the labs, similar to what Argal Tal supposedly did in "The First Heretic."

[@poodlescone9700]

Imperial divorce attorney.

[@skullzans]

@@40KTheories What if she summoned Argal Tal? The warp is temporally malformed, so its not impossible she reached into the future for a spacemarine, and in the recontinued temporality that became Argal Tal?

[@sindrimyr5351]

@@40KTheories i also suspect another thing...maybe it was subtle, probably tzeentch's idea. to foster dissatisfaction within erda and lead her towards deactivating the geller field and the gods did the rest. maybe Emps expected erda to steal the primarchs and then flee with them and spread them, but he didnt expect the gods to catch them. maybe thats why he both raged at the scattering but at the same time didnt hunt erda for it was partially his plan but it just didnt go as planned. then again...I would prefere it if he didnt plan it at all.

[@juliodolmus5720]

Nope

[@youtubevoice1050]

The scattering did not suit the Emperor's plans and did no favour to a good part of the primarchs. Malcador made it clear that they would have wanted more time to educate and instruct the primarchs. So I question that any of this could have been part of E's plans. Maybe though he did foresee such an event. Erda makes little sense...

[@seanz9189]

The events of The Heresy and what followed adds weight to your argument. However, I would say this is only in the short term. Like Curze theorized, The Emperor can probably see very far into the future. He may have reasons for engineering the scattering that pay off in the long term that have yet to be revealed. In the dark imperium novels Guilliman theorizes it may have just been a means of testing his creations but I think we have yet to see the full scale of The Emperor's plans.

[@გიორგიმოსაშვილი-ო3დ]

U mean big E

[@Malcalore]

I think Erda is an unreliable narrorator. She was possibly corrupted herself by the chaos gods even and manipulated by them to do what she did. What sane woman would throw her children into the warp after all? Especially one in the Emperor's inner circle who might even know of it's horrors more indepth.

[@mordart714]

You forgot the Theory where GW realizes they layed a Gigantic turd with this and retcons the conversation/events out of Canon.

[@willis32]

Not gonna happen sadly

[@nikolayvladimirov8633]

I hope it happens soon enough

[@robertnelson9599]

Plot twist: Erda was secretly being manipulated by the Chaos Gods and she disappeared because Constantine Valdor found her and threw her into the Eye of Terror, where she realized what she almost put her "sons" through.

[@dritzzjoney]

Emperor: what are you doing? Erda: what am I doing? Emperor: thwarting my plans? Erda: thwarting your plans? Emperor: well are you? Erda: no? Emperor: good cause that'd be bad Erda: how bad? Emperor: id have to kill you bad Erda: that's bad Emperor: indeed.. that's a stupid looking watch you have

[@ThomasSpettel]

I will stick with the chaos god's scattering the primarchs. Creates more mystery. The other idea that some random woman was the cause of the primarchs scattering, is just silly and not logical.

[@aelminiatures]

My thoughts are that she allowed them to do it

[@ekscalybur]

I think the chaos gods had nothing to do with it. If you want to thwart the plan of what you consider to be an anti-god plan of creating demi-god generals to lead legions against you, the last thing you do is absolutely ensure the survival of those demi-gods. If the chaos gods could ensure they landed on planets, they could have just have easily dropped them into a black hole. Do dead primarchs better suit the desire to thwart the idea of primarchs better than live primarchs? If you want to convince me the scattering was because of a need to play mind games with the emperor, you're first going to have to convince me that the chaos gods also have below room temperature IQs. After you do that, you're then going to have to convince me that they represent anything even remotely resembling a threat.

[@nikolayvladimirov8633]

I think most of the community agrees

[@ZeroNumerous]

@@ekscalybur Humanity needs to fight itself to feed the chaos gods. The end result that we have, Chaos worshippers vs the Imperium, is the win condition of Chaos. Destroying the Primarchs would have resulted in the Imperium falling, and the Chaos gods dying out as the Cabal predicted.

[@SigfridSWE]

Agree. Really wierd new take... Wtf...

[@emperorconstantine1.361]

I tend to believe the Chaos gods actually DID surprise Emps I’m stealing his sons, but then he quickly went Avatar mode and forced them out of the Warp and luckily put them on planets that would fit them. And “Gene-Mother”?? (Fuck off on that one, GW)

[@Jerubarbaruah]

I still think part of the scattering is related to the Emperor's pact with the four he made on Molech. Admittedly there is no direct evidence, but the pact was to spread the worship of chaos across humanity and that's definitely the case now. Regardless of how the Emperor turned his back on Chaos after it was made the pact was ultimately fulfilled.

[@GreenWatermelonGreen]

It's important to note that Fulgrim was supposed to land on Chogoris and the Khan on Chemos; someone swapped them at the last minute.

[@brandonhughes4571]

The elder laughing god swapped them

[@Lakefront_Khan]

A act that caused so much strife, so much death, that it was thought to have been prepatraited by DEMONIC GOD'S is contributed to.................................................a angry woman. 5 out of 10 for story telling, 10 out of 10 realism.

[@Big_E_Soul_Fragment]

"Who was responsible?" It was Alphariu- wait

[@vb1564]

something here doesnt make sense

[@Deridus]

... huzzah! For once we know for a fact that Alpharius had NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!

[@გიორგიმოსაშვილი-ო3დ]

It was ME, ALPHARIUS all along

[@Deridus]

@@გიორგიმოსაშვილი-ო3დ you can't fool me, Omegon.

[@whyumadbro3667]

Emperor damn it I love your channel, for years now I listen to your voice and I love it. Please keep making videos

[@georgesulea]

I really think this was engineered by the Emperor, as I believe he also engineered events much further back in history.

[@joechurchill6945]

I disagree forgive me if I'm wrong but didn't the emperor have to speed up his plans of the great crusade for the purpose of finding his sons ?

[@DrunkenRoadkill]

Same I think humanity's greatest enemy is infact the big E

[@muninrob]

@@DrunkenRoadkill Even worse..... He's our ONLY hope.... At least our chaos god will have "The Emperor Protects" woven into the very core of it's being.

[@DrunkenRoadkill]

@@muninrob that's true though to what extent as his goal seems to be keep humanity alive but he seems to hate all the things that make humans well human

[@Kili121]

I think it was both a joke and a plan by Tzeentch

[@StylesV13]

I wish I could remember the Horus Heresy book it is in but there are Demons talking about how they chose the planets the Primarchs landed on.

[@ukaszbiaek6641]

It about Horus going to Molech

[@BM-is5ei]

@@ukaszbiaek6641 i refuse to accept anything coming from that diarrhoae of a book as canon.

[@ukaszbiaek6641]

@@BM-is5ei true bt it is still better than saturnine :p

[@lilpretzel5629]

Konrads voice sounds bad ass😍 ... also best mother award goes to Erda who yeeted the babys into the the warp *clap clap

[@Gitskreig]

My impression is that The Emperor saw that the Chaos Gods were going to try to sabotage the project, but also realised that if it was messed with by someone else's hand, it could still be salvaged rather than lost. One future would have led to the certain ruination of his scheme, the other held a chance of it still being workable, so he rolled the dice. To this end, he used the opportunity Urda's attempt provided to push the infant Primarchs into worlds that would at least resemble environments he intended for them. Her actions were still sabotage of his design, but one designed to save rather than destroy the Primarchs, so it was by far the preferable option. Unfortunately, many of the environments were not perfect. Angron ending up with the Butcher's Nails, for example, was an unforseen concequence of this gamble, as was Lorgar's fanaticism. What little we know of the Lost Primarchs also points to the unpredictable outcomes of this gambit too, which is why they needed to be expunged. All the others more or less abided by the Emperor's designs, but these two may not have. If they ended up developing into vastly different people than intended, such as being influenced by xenos influence in their formation, then they would have represented wildcards that could not be afforded and were removed because of it.

[@Gitskreig]

To clarify a couple of points for this theory; - When guiding their destinations, The Emperor didn't know which worlds they would end up on, merely provided a set of criteria. He still had to find them on his own - I also don't think the 'lobbing them into the warp' part was Urda's plan either. She likely wanted to steal them and either raise them herself in some isolated backwater or plant them on worlds they would thrive, a more benevolent version of the actual outcome (so, no awful nightmare worlds for Angron/Curze, for example, but instead somewhere they could thrive and see their needs to fruition), but then the Word Bearers threw her attempt awry - As for the Emperor not pursuing Urda, he likely realised that ironically it was her betrayal that saved his plan at all and that the damage was done. Better let her go into hiding with the guilt of her failure than chase her down in a wasteful game of cat and mouse

[@SgtThiel]

Simple explanation: the fool that wrote saturnine didn't read the first heretic

[@slowmoe1686]

It was Dan Abnett, so I find that doubtful

[@olehhumeniuk1632]

The book "false gods" describes how the Emperor stopped the Primarch's capsules in flight (the first to fly into the warp was the capsule that Horus struck - 11th Primarch's Capsule) ... but then, looked at Horus, and released the rest of the capsules ! all, except for the eleventh, the emperor could not let go ... if he wanted

[@nobody8670]

But you need to remember that it something shown to Horus by Chaos so can’t say for certain if it really happened. It was probably just something to “prove” to Horus how “evil” the Emperor was

[@torobravo6147]

oleh humeniuk Malice be chilling in his capsule

[@Balevolt]

Can't actually recall ever hearing the Thunder Warriors high gothic name before. Thank Remleiz!

[@40KTheories]

It's mentioned in the Valdor novel ^^

[@Balevolt]

@@40KTheoriesWell I haven't read that one too feed my infomania

[@alyseleem2692]

Legions Catageis. May they rest in peace 😭

[@thebluething8559]

So basically Karen take the kids

[@KageRyuu6]

More like Karen tosses the kids into the river.

[@edpistemic]

@@KageRyuu6 More like the river of blood and entrails.

[@aphato2770]

Karen yeets them kiddos

[@Jawmax]

It was the will of Gork and Mork.

[@angelusumbra5741]

Greenskin sympathizer detected. Destroying planet now.

[@angelusumbra5741]

...and now it's gonna be two planets. I'd ask if it was worth it Greenskin, but I know one of you would only say yes.

[@angelusumbra5741]

@In the halls of madness, dwells a mad philosopher. You do realise that you could be better than this, don't you Ork? All the time you waste fighting us could be directed against the Tyranids who literally want to eat all of you, or Chaos who want to do even worse to you. And neither will stop to talk to you like this... Well the slaves of Chaos might, but only to make it worse for you in some way before they violate you... Wouldn't you rather have an existing galaxy to fight for to glorify your gods, rather than nothing at all?

[@angelusumbra5741]

@In the halls of madness, dwells a mad philosopher. Being reasonable with Greenskin battle lust? This was unexpected... But not a bad thing... Ork, if the rest of your people can manage what you have, then we will rearm, enhance, and upgrade your weapons, vehicles, even bodies if you wish. Then we can bring battle and death to the scum that wants to take our home. And you and your people Ork will have the honor of leading the charge. Show us humies how well you kill space bugs and soul suckers, and we will make sure you do not run out of blades, bullets, and fuel. Now Ork, let's go kill some "spikey boyz".

[@angelusumbra5741]

@In the halls of madness, dwells a mad philosopher. Apparently so Ork. (tosses you a large chain axe sized for an Ork, revs up my chain sword, and turns to face our enemy) Apparently so.

[@jackdaalfbrainork6392]

Erda: taking away the emperor sons from him to bring them to a even worse fate of a slow bleed of Hersey Great idea

[@Matt-md5yt]

Glad you covered this topic today. Been wondering about it

[@giannicolamatteo8155]

40kis really cool yet infiuriating, how is It possible that everytime something happens its always so messy on the details, at this point i wouldnt be surprised if the reason Theres so little concrete evedence is because the emporore accidentally spilled coffee on his diary after the primarks were scattered

[@dudewatches6125]

Wait...how long has Erda been around for?! I mean in the lore, I'm only hearing about her now!

[@IceLizardsUnited]

A few months. She was brought into the most recent Siege of Terra book. The books called Saturnine by-the-way, and Erda is a perpetual and the second strongest perpetual behind the Emperor.

[@dudewatches6125]

@@IceLizardsUnited Damn, this is Effing HUGE!

[@jeffumbach]

@@IceLizardsUnited so in other words she's a retcon.

[@noneofyourbusiness4547]

Jeff Umbach dammit I always hate it when someone tries to retcon something it just ruins the story

[@dudewatches6125]

@@NecrosAcolyte No bud. Get out.

[@kappakiev9672]

“Hey, Vegeta. Watch me execute this criminal.”

[@kyle6030]

I believe, as stated in the video, that a mixture of all three possibilities is the truth. As Curze said, the Emperor can see the future. It's most likely that, much to his despair, the Emperor saw that he could not train his Primarchs effectively and keep the Chaos Gods away from them. So instead, he let it happen, but on his terms. He let the Word Bearers destroy the Gellar Field, he let Erda cast the Primarchs into the warp, but using his immense power he ensured that each son would be sent to a world where he would thrive and continue the path the Emperor had originally planned for him. This way, He most likely believed the Chaos Gods would rest on their laurels and not intervene in the Primarchs lives any further before the Emperor could find and reintegrate them into the fold.

[@internetzenmaster8952]

Erda: _attempts to sabotage Big E's plans by scattering the Primarchs_ Big E: _steeples fingers and smirks_ "Just as planned." Tzeentch: "OI! THAT'S MY THING ASSHOLE!"

[@updfdrakkell143]

THANK YOU Remleiz for doing this vid! I know it's bein a while since I asked but im glad I waited!

[@benives254]

"I know! I'll take my boys on a lovely holiday!" "Balls."

[@GreaterLiarbird]

The salt here is so legendary. People not realizing that Emps is from Anatolia, people saying that Abnett doesn’t read the lore.. he writes it, and has for longer than most people have been in the hobby. having more background on the primarchs and having a Big Mama (Or Eva) to the Emperor’s Big Boss is a good change. Good stuff my guy.

[@alextar_h_lobo5188]

if the emperor really did had a hand in scattering his son's, then a new question would be. why?

[@leatherjacket9]

I think Erda is the biggest canonical mess that GW has ever created and pushed upon the lore for no reason whatsoever.

[@40KTheories]

Nah the biggest canonical mess GW has ever created is everything to do with the Necrons. Dudes get retconned in every other edition pretty much.

[@Warrior-Of-Virtue]

I would love to see a what if scenario where the Primarchs all end up on the same planet and thus grow up together. It would be interesting to theorize how they would shape one another's development.

[@TheIllangel]

My money is on most of them killing one another.

[@thesmilinggun-knight9646]

Oh god that almost impossible to speculate with any degree of accuracy considering the worlds they grow up in made them the men they become and were wildly different.

[@AsbestosMuffins]

@@TheIllangel very likely, some of the primarches seem engineered as the exact counter to each other (...almost as if they were written for some purpose...) they almost certainly would have killed a number of each other in the process. Plus magnus would have still been a huge nerd and torn a hole into the warp

[@robertnelson9599]

Forget that, what if the Primarchs never entered the Warp at all?

[@alyseleem2692]

I just wish they'd have a single family raise them. A healthy one. THAT would help with their differences.

[@xeonespydonum4995]

Reading the future in 40K is difficult, you often get many conflicting visions. The Emperor understood this and simply insured a win condition for every scenario.

[@leatherjacket9]

Erda is the villain of all villains then. She caused the inevitable destruction of Mankind.

[@michaelolmos8257]

might as well put her in dead-equal with kor pharon and FUCKING EREBUS. in most hated 40k characters ever! 😡😡😡

[@Gabrielzinho7891235]

No she isnt, theres no reason to assume that chaos wouldnt be able to get influence the primarchs eventually since the leader of the rebelliom was the one that barely spent much time away from the emperor

[@leatherjacket9]

@@Gabrielzinho7891235 yep she still is a villain of villains. Whether the primarchs would still be influenced by chaos or notnif she didnt do what she did, we'll never know. But we know for sure... That it wouldn't matter who eas closer or lost longer if it wasn't for her. Now i dont know how evil, evil actually is you. But taking your very own children and hurtling them through the very warp energy that could kill them seems like a horrible person and mother to me. Who does that to their own children. And the audacity to take children from their loving father. How freaking evil can you be. She not only threw her own children away, took them away from their father, but also cast them into an abyss full of primordial energies and entities full of maliciousness, which set them on a path to destroy allnof mankind. How much more evil can you get. Sheesh did you want her to have to physically molest them too. What more does she have to be to be those evil being that ever existed. Damn! 😂

[@geneangrypenguin5876]

Wasnt part of the reason Horus was angry at the Emperor because he saw the him walk into the room before the pods went into the warp rift and just kinda let it happen? I know its time travel/Chaos vision but I got the feeling Horus knew the Emperor could have stopped it but didnt

[@Restilia_ch]

I'm surprised no mention of Horus's vision of the gene labs and him seeing the pods being cast into the Warp.

[@CrimsonTemplar2]

The Emperor is definitely a master of plans within plans, so I could see him having a contingency in mind for this sort of eventuality.

[@jorgemendez6864]

You just blew my mind, this is the very best WH40K channel indeed.

[@hughgedney3393]

One of the best WH40k channels.

[@phoenixrising4573]

The irda story sounds like maybe she was the one who tipped off chaos to exactly what was happening, and the word bearers became the tools used to do it. She would take credit, they did it....

[@oldeskul]

I thought that Cegorach had a hand in swapping out the worlds that Fulgrim and Jaghatai landed on as a way to mess with Slannesh's plans.

[@hughgedney3393]

A very extremely awesome video as always 40k Theories.

[@willtiffany5409]

Can we just appreciate for a moment how fucking meta Konrad Curze's quote is here? He, *in universe* , is referring to himself and his brothers as *Characters* questioning whether or not they were placed where they ended up deliberately by their Father (read "Creator") that you can easily interpret as Games Workshop, pondering if it was all part of some grand design. Damn dude.

[@VierAlder]

Can you make a video on Erda? Never heard of her before.

[@idontno6d105]

tricking the Chaos Gods into thinking they accomplished one of their goals while it was secretly one of the Emperor's goals that he influenced the outcome of seems like a very Emperor thing to do

[@oatlord]

He did seem pretty calm when facing ghost Horus, I thought. Like "oh no. Whatever you do, don't scatter yourself. Waaiiit..."

[@BlizzardofKnives]

I'd take anything Curse says about fate with a massive amount of salt.

[@Alva_Lombax]

This to me confirms that Big E wanted or was at least expecting a counter play from chaos, and was expecting the great heresy

[@badgamemaster]

Well if it was the Emperor's own plan, it explains a lot about Angron and the Butcher's Nails...

[@lordmars2387]

I believe the fickle whims of the warp itself deposited the nascent primarchs on worlds most in tune with them.

[@MayfWasHere]

Can we all just take a moment to appreciate how perfect Taka's Kurze voice is

[@LilithLonelyHeart]

I have one crazy theory, what if Scattering was all Emperors work, done so to give both him and his troops a solid reason to launch Great Crusade and start the conquest, without questioning if this idea isn't overly ambitious and megalomanic, just to give his people reason to believe they don't do conquest just for sake of it

[@mouseketeery]

Considering the Emps doings in the Unification Wars, he didn't need an 'excuse' for the Great Crusade - it's not as if he was answerable to anyone or needed their vote! He said "We're going to conquer the galaxy for the Imperium of Man, force compliance of all human worlds we find and kill all the xenos", he was very upront about it.

[@Ben_of_Langley]

The emperor had foresight so maybe he saw what was going to happen but instead of fighting it he allowed it to happen but on his terms maybe the chaos God's wanted to throw the primarchs in the warp where they would never be found but the emperor will is what made them land on planet's within the imperiam but still not to the point where he knew what worlds they landed on but still knowing that they wasn't lost in the warp for ever. Great video man really interesting.

[@Nyctophora]

I absolutely loathe this development and hope it either gets re-re-retconned - I don't know how many we're up to now - pretty darn quick. But you did a great job of telling it, so in the spirit of not shooting the messenger I'm thumbing up the video :)

[@donperez8774]

From a gore-soaked data slate encased in warp ice, dated to the Horus Heresy, but used only minutes ago ... Tech Priests familiar with such warp oddities have verified its recording to be an authentic artifact of Konrad Curze, VIII Legion Primarch. "My childhood? Mum, Dad, Argel Tal and the Hole-in-the-Plot Ghost? I actually like to think of it as being multiple choice, like which lookalike is in charge of the Alpha Legion. But I haven't been this bummed since I learned my real name from The Blinding Blind Bungler. Mom's name is Erda? How many of you kids out there thought your parents' first name sucked the first time you heard it? I can only imagine HIS real name. (mumbles ... Moe?) "But yeah, it's amusing how The Great Golden Farseer (HA!) picked our legions. Gives me Terra's criminals. I mean, what, am I supposed to do? Kill them for the insult to Night Haunter? Rehab them as Konrad Curze, this avenging raptor of the Emperor's law? Perfect them as vicious psychological warfare soldiers, which was the hidden motive behind Terra's Holy Mastermind? Pfft. Whatevs. Honestly, my bunch doesn't matter; I failed on all three counts and they're a worthless legion of losers anyway. But I figure that's better than Magnus' kids and how Grandpa Golden Throne treated them and Mags ... 'Here son, here are your sick children; you're smart, I'm sure you'll find a cure for them turning inside out from warp madness. I got to be at the gym in 26 minutes -- BYE!!!' "PS Oh, and thank you for not making me sound like a backwoods Vostroyan or Valhallan auditioning as ancient Terran warlord Vlad Tepes like in the earlier video, cyberdonged one."

[@FlippingC]

Consider the 20 suites of unused Primarch quarters that Corvus found

[@trevbee2316]

this is why i sub on 2 accounts. when youtube fails to notify me on one, i still get it on the other :D

[@kristadisgumundsdottir3658]

After reading the conversation between The Nighthaunter and Sanguinius, I have been wonding quite a bit about if having the primarchs was no accident and even having those sons fall to Chaos / turn traitor was part of some grand design by the Emperor ?

[@alexwisz9527]

Takahata really hit it out of the park with Kurze.

[@usermanico]

Big E "Oh no, i accidentaly open a rift in the Warp. Oh no i accidentaly drop each of my sons in specific worlds."

[@michaelkimberling7307]

I would say that Argal Tal Likely gave Erda the opportunity to to scatter the primarchs by destroying the Gellar field generator. While either she or the emperor managed to guide them to planets that suited their personalities. I think that while the emperor could definitely see the future he couldn’t see all of it such as how he didn’t know how the heresy would end and needed the Astropath to tell him the outcome.

[@johnclement189]

Chaos Gods : We will ruin his Primarchs project, lmao. Emperor of Mankind : **Yeeted them into the warp** Chaos Gods : **Surprised Pikachu face**

[@hughgedney3393]

Chaos Gods: Wait what!?

[@Gillemear]

Didn't Horus also go back in time during his "visions" on Davin to just as the Primarchs were scattered? As I recall, there were no Word Bearer marines there as well.

[@SgtThiel]

I think argel tal heard horus' voice in the first heretic

[@frankrue5071]

The Emperor's baby mama drama.

[@cheezandtoast]

Nice video man. Great job on the content

[@revandfriends8817]

Erda is a worse parent than Emps. She claims to care yet scattered them without knowing if they would survive, or even have good parents to raise them. Then she never went to look for them. What did Emps do? Halted most of his plans and gathered his forces just to find his children. What was he gonna do? Use them to bring humanity forward. And people say Emps doesn’t care.

[@freerichie25]

Konrad is always considered insane but that dude will spit some seriously interesting and thought provoking shit....

[@andrewniehoff8612]

It is the gods, the rulers of the universe. By this I mean the gods of Games Workshop who have made so many changes and retcons that there may very well not be an answer other than the usual; "It can be whatever you want it to be."

[@Martdogg3000]

I definitely think the Emperor had this figured out already. Like, specifically I'd always thought it was a bit too on the nose that Leman Russ, the primarch with wolf dna, would randomly end up on a planet called Fenris- to the point it seemed kind of stupid and immersion breaking. That being the plan all along makes it feel a lot more sensible.

[@stormraven8484]

Idea for video Given that Primarchs and their legions had roles in his grand design and even Belisarius Cawl comments that bring back there gen seeds will help fill the Emperor's original plans any idea what were the two missing combat roles for the two missing legions?

[@Jeremy-rp3in]

It was a test to see which Primarch would adapt to his surroundings. Only primarch(s) never tested was Alpharius/Omegon. They I believe never left Terra and were trained by Malcador

[@გიორგიმოსაშვილი-ო3დ]

It's Erda and the word bearers! She fled to cadia trying to escape the emperor's wrath, she lived there by the name of Ingathel thinking she had saved her sons. Once she saw the astartes and her son Lorgar, she thought that her plan had not worked, so she went in the warp with the word beares to scatter them, that way helping her past self and making a causal loop

[@Deridus]

I'll quote lord Dadornable for this one: "Bad Parent."

[@DarthVengeance0325]

My question for the Imperial side of things has always been why, with enough samples and enough scientists left knowledgeable about the processes, the Emperor couldn't have made replacement Primarchs if he was desperate. The quotes from some of them about their own nature being that of the Warp makes some sense in that regard, if they're in fact one time deals and creations that he couldn't actually replicate, but I dunno. Erda wasn't very forthcoming on that path, but she seems not to have considered he might just make more, perhaps, again, because he legitimately couldn't and thus had to get the originals back.

[@connorchenery977]

Don't forget the the emperor was there when they were cast away, in the first heretic he simply waves his hand and closes the warp rift before just opening it again

[@YouthRightsRadical]

I quite like the theory that the deal the Emperor made at Moloch was less about increasing his powers and more about acquiring various Warp entities or shards thereof to serve as the souls of his Primarchs. This would posit that the reason the Primarchs ended up on worlds suited to their natures was because they were, on a subconsious level, in control of their path through the Warp as infants. This would also explain why they ended up on planets at all, despite how incredibly unlikely that is to happen by random chance. I think it likely the Emperor knew it was coming but was still trying to avert it. Redundant Gellar fields, such that both Erda and Argel Tal both had to deactivate different ones to make the scattering possible, etc. When they were scattered anyway, vengeance was not sought against Erda simply because he couldn't blame her for something he'd already known was going to happen one way or another. Similar to Kurze going fatalistic in response to his own visions, but only going fatalistic after he'd failed to thwart it rather than before like Kurze. I think he did see as far as the 42nd Millenium, but I think he was dealing with a multitude of possible futures rather than one unified vision of history. Chaos being what it is, you can't predict its actions with perfect accuracy, so he had to do a lot of hedging of his bets, a lot of putting contingencies in place to avert the worst possible futures and prepare countermeasures for bad futures he couldn't fully avert. Preparations for other futures that never ended up coming to pass, like the village he had in the Palace for the Primarchs to be raised in. He is pitting his own human will against the fundamental forces of the cosmos and the darker parts of human nature at the same time. No one ever said it was going to be easy, or even a sure win. Even for someone as powerful as the Emperor.

[@leeboy26]

A vengeful Thunder Warrior masquerading as the Janitor perhaps.

[@dwreanchinotan]

holy crap, takahata101 is konrad curze? couldn't tell!

[@DemigodoftheSea]

The Warp Gods within each Primarch were drawn to worlds that suited them, that's definitely how I see it. And I believe it was the Emperor's humaniy that drew him away from enacting vengenace on Erda. I like to think the Word Bearers were in a halfway point between reality and illusion, where their actions influenced the world to their eyes, but in reality the influence was indirect

[@Rolandais]

I think the reason The Emperor didn't go after Erda, is because he realized *why* she did it. Out of love for her children, and while he certainly was known to be petty and vindictive, in the various stories and interactions we've seen between him and Malcador, he truly seems to care about his sons, something I doubt he can blame their mother for also doing.

[@NetMoverSitan]

9:45 - Fiction's 2nd most horrific version of Batman...he even had the throat cancer voice.

[@cormacbevins9679]

So where does the Laughing God swapping the planets that Fulgrim and Jagatai Khan landed on come into the mix, if the Emperor had the Primarchs launched off of the moon on purpose?

[@samg7430]

The Emperor loves plans within plans more than Tzeench himself

[@nait5340]

Gonna admit: That's the first time i hear about this Erda person, and i'm far from new to 40k

[@xavier84623]

I think the big e thought he was playing the chaos gods but he himself was the one getting played

[@chrisangus7078]

Definitely planned feel sorry for the fallen primark's as it would mean they had no chance angron even more betrayed than even he believed.

[@franciscorui]

Takahata as Konrad sound very nice.

[@gingergrant1057]

“Erda took the kids in the divorce.”-Emperor of Mankind, circa. M30.

[@johnnys8393]

Why would the emperor intentionally allow or even encourage the scattering knowing that it would influence some of the primarchs to fall to chaos; thereby ensuring his own death and the damnation of the imperium (plus gifting the chaos Gods untold power over the ensuing millennia) instead of raising and training them under his own watchful eye? What parent would throw their children into the wild then be saddened and surprised when they grow into a beast? If the emperor did that intentionally, the Eldar have summed him up perfectly when they referred to him as a “novice psyker”.

[@nedeleavitt]

He had redundancy- Sanguinius and Curze, Dorn and Perturabo, and i'll bet one of the Lost was a psyker on the same level as Magnus. Depends how much he actually viewed them as tools and weapons rather than beloved sons. If he had successfully completed the Webway project? Likely victory over Chaos, more or less.