The Genetic Heritage Of The Death Eagles - 40K Theories

[@Big_E_Soul_Fragment]

Ah yes, the *_real_* Emperor's Children.

[@dreamcatcherben8214]

sons of phoenix chapter out there too

[@eltonjohntubola3212]

These Loyalist deserve much praise. Just imagine all your brothers and your Father himself become traitors. It takes a lot of guts just to turn your back on them and stand your ground for the Emperor.

[@jesseberg3271]

Praise, perhaps, but let's not act like a son rebelling against his father isn't one of the most human stories imaginable.

[@MishraArtificer]

Ancient Rylanor, that magnificent son of a bitch, comes to mind...

[@Alabama1861]

@@MishraArtificer Don't forget Captain Saul Tarvitz of 10th Company.

[@hallo-mt5tx]

while being genetically engineered into following and obeying your primarch thats the most impressive thing imo

[@oscarcordero7811]

Imagine That Fulgrims clone returns and Becomes their Primarch again.

[@bradwatson1142]

"We must shead our regal color, our legacy is now a curse in the eyes of our masters, we must wear the black of morning for that is our legacy....morning the dream of what could have been" Unknown Chaplin of the death eagles circa m 31

[@garrettkiley522]

Interesting

[@ChiefSmackahoLLC]

Mourning

[@surtrpicks]

Regal referring to purple is what my mind goes to when I read that. Your interpretation?

[@enricopaolocoronado2511]

The True Children of the Emperor. Rylanor would be proud that such proud warriors of his Legion still exist.

[@Alabama1861]

Don't forget that brave captain that led the rag-tag band of loyalists that gave their traitorous brothers fits on Istvaan III, Saul Tarvitz, Capt, 10th Company, Emperor's Children.

[@gryphonofmight]

They make Rylanor proud!

[@rylanortheunyielding3811]

They do

[@Triumph263]

Imagine if they had found Rylanor first.

[@MrPeabody67]

@@Triumph263 Rylanor would have congratulated them for staying loyal, given a final lecture, before sending them on their way. Rylanor had one mission: KILL DADDY!

[@Dogue83]

Rylanor is space dust

[@snakeyman5560]

@@Dogue83 ;( Too soon.

[@earltheartist3697]

eyy nice to see my art again in lore vids! this is why I make 40k and heresy art. 1:20

[@40KTheories]

Glad you approve. A link to your artstation account is also included within the video description :)

[@Mr_Bunk]

That’s some damn fine art you made there, sir.

[@ramsuryaprasath1381]

That looks really great......

[@Zekrom249]

Quite the wholesome artwork, surprisingly.

[@gryphonofmight]

They are the True Emperor's Children

[@Narty_Naz]

More like the True Emperor's Chicken

[@AA-dn8dj]

I had a moment the other day where I was trying to come up with a successor chapter with the MOST confusing backstory and unknown genetic heritage, and for like 5 minutes I kept thinking about a successor chapter called the "Blood Angels" who could be from Dark Angels, Blood Ravens, or Blood Angels chapters but then I realised the Blood Angels were already a first founding legion. I don't know why.

[@40KTheories]

How about making a chapter called the "Angels of Blood"? After all, there exists a chapter called the Scythes of the Emperor, and another completely unrelated chapter called the Emperor's Scythes.

[@icosaphilia6342]

If true the amount of potential meddling in records, both of their founding and battle record, combined with their involvement in purging traitorous chapters may imply friends in the more pragmatic parts of the inquisition

[@Triumph263]

I feel like the Inquisition would push for creating chapters with traitor legion geneseed just so they can effectively blackmail them into doing what they say; and quite a few chapters that work closely with the Inquisition are rumored to be traitor legion loyalists.

[@professorsponge1554]

Death Eagles/Red Scorpions: Emperor's Children Silver Skulls/Marines Malevolent: Iron Warriors Carcharodons: Night Lords Minotaurs: World Eaters Mortifactors/Sons of Anteas: Death Guard Blood Ravens: Thousand Sons Shadow Wolves: Luna Wolves Exorcists: Word Bearers Iron Snakes: Alpha Legion

[@gryphonofmight]

Blood Ravens are likely Word Bearers actually

[@professorsponge1554]

@@gryphonofmight More evidence to suggest Thousand Sons. Lots of Psykers, there was the Covidae cult, hints at their primogenitor legion wearing red, and that psyker woman saying "The ravens seek knowledge but its denied to them." The Magpies aren't doggedly religious or psychotically stubborn. What's your argument for Lorgar's chiorboys?

[@gryphonofmight]

@@professorsponge1554 here are a lot of strange similarities between the Word Bearers and Blood Ravens. they would share with Lorgar's zealous pursuit of knowledge, even if the truth of what they find destroys them. Could they be the remnants of the chapter of word bearers known as the void perhaps, as the Chapter of the Void was the smallest and least respected and they used the psychic might of the Word Bearers and were isolated among the Word Bearers, explaining why they may not have turned traitor and why the blood ravens have so many librarians. The chapter of the void was also known for developing weapons, technology and tactics and could be tied to how the Blood Ravens operate and how they collect relics. Lastly, in some of the books, we learn some of the Blood raven's sayings originated on Colchis, and thats not getting into how Cyrene and Aurelia, share similar names to two characters important to the word bearers Cyrene Valantion and of course Lorgar Aurelian.

[@imperialguard7418]

Minotaurs are a hybrid of Iron Warriors and World Eaters

[@professorsponge1554]

@@gryphonofmight I feel that this is a tentative connection. While possible, the evidence stacks more in favor of the thousand sons. Their symbol, colors, veneration of knowledge, psychic powers manifesting in non psykers, and even the possibility of Janus having a hand in found the chapter... it just seems more plausible for the magpies to be some of Magnus's nerdy bois.

[@robertnelson9599]

Ah yes, the most obvious of loyalists from Traitor Legions.

[@VanGeo1]

Id figure the Silver Skulls are more obvious. Considering they look the same and fight the same as the Iron Warriors.

[@sonofjack6286]

The Blood Ravens and Carcharodons are also very obvious.

[@MattBrain9336]

Whooo new vid, just in time I was in need of some 40k

[@Dontreallycare5]

I sometimes wonder how much the Codex Astates was enforced specifically to make the heritage of the various chapters near impossible to decipher, and thus preserve the safety and honor of those loyalists among the traitor legions without forcing them to pretend to be another primarch's gene-son. Considering it is heavily implied that Guilliman absorbed large portions of the forgotten legions, it kind of shows he has a fairly long history of preserving astartes despite other circumstances . . . . which makes it kind of weird that he forbade Cawl from ever touching the geneseed data from his heretic and lost brothers, but again, maybe that is just because he doesn't want to have to shield them from accusations in an already dogmatic Imperium. For the Algorithm!

[@StealthNinja4577]

It's always more interesting to be a loyalist from the traitors. It shows that regardless of the path their brothers went down some of them proudly continue fighting for what they originally believed in. With later foundings you can argue that these chapters also split into new ones so there's potentially more chapters that may or may not know their own history. The interesting thing to me is whether primaris marines added to these chapters simply corrected part of the stock they send to Terra or if they analyzed the gene seed learned it belonged to traitors and sent primaris with corrected traitor stock. Whoops I sent these primaris out with the closest match to their primarch's gene seed.

[@wellard32]

Thank you for including a picture of the Charnel Guard

[@viewernewest]

Ancestry doesn't matter. Let the sons stand blameless for the sins of the father.

[@domenikschmitz334]

Heretic!

[@MSte21]

If only such sanity prevailed throughout the Imperium.

[@chaoslance4959]

"Science did not failt, their primarchs did."

[@johnlavery3433]

Guilliman was right not to allow such chapters to be created. If such information became well known it could lead to their persecution by other loyalists, and potentially damage his credibility. As well as that primarchs have a preternatural ability to command respect and deference from their Gene sons. Even after Istvan Horus damn near tempted Loken back into the legion. Based off the figures from Istvan III, 2/3 of SMs would choose their gene father over the emperor

[@l33t9r0u93]

the war of the false primarch is the event that i most want to know about

[@kingbaldwiniv5409]

Awesome theory video, this one really leaves us with a fitting puzzle! I am a fan of the 3rd Legion angle. I think that Malcador had stashed away a number of loyalists from traitor legions to be passed off as successors of loyalists. It is my belief that part of the reason for the Codex Astartes and Chaptering of the Legions was to mask the integration of Malcador's loyalists from traitor stock.

[@NetMoverSitan]

1:40 - I'm guessing that at least one of the Fallen were there as well. | 3:00 - More than one Blood Angels successor chapters...the enemy are doomed. | 5:00 - (monotone) All hail the Ultrasmurfs. | 8:25 - The sons of the pretty boy primarch? | 9:00 - The chapter of the Cursed Founding that was possibly loyalist Thousand Sons? (e.g. the sons of Spiky Tits) |

[@PCveteran117]

I almost thought you were going to talk about the Doom Eagles.

[@EmpPeng2k7]

Misplaced, I like that way of putting it

[@Lord_Marshal_Valdar]

Is there any official cannon successors chapters that are rumored to be from the World Eaters? Because I’m mean the Iron Warriors have The Iron Skulls and The Minotaurs, The Thousand Sons have the Blood Ravens, The Night Lords have The Carcharodons (even though its chimeric with Raven Guard gene-seed.) and The Emperor’s Children have the Death Eagles and Sons of The Phoenix (even though it’s said they are Imperial Fists Successors to which I highly doubt that they are sons of Dorn.) there’s got to be one who’s rumored to be successors of The World Eaters.

[@gryphonofmight]

Storm Wardens

[@pentacosttb2565]

The original red and yellow Minotaurs were likely World Eaters. They've apparently been replaced by the Bronze Iron Warrior Minotaurs, but it's not like it's impossible for the members of the mustard and ketchup version to still be running around.

[@brandonhughes4571]

Blood Ravens are either ultra marines or word bearers

[@MishraArtificer]

40kTheories has a video on this: the Blood Ravens CAN'T be Thousand Sons Successors, as they aren't affected by the Rubric of Ahriman.

[@gryphonofmight]

@@MishraArtificer they turned against their traitor father Lorgar

[@shingoji524]

You see when a deathguard and ravenguard love each other very much...

[@myvaportrail]

Just found my new army- Whoo Hoo! Thanks 40kT!

[@yellowravenpro]

I enjoy your videos a lot Remleiz

[@GrnRaptor]

As the guy who initiated the 2nd Founding you have to think that Bobby G. took more interest in their efficacy than their heritage and fudged the books appropriately.

[@AA-dn8dj]

Will the real Emperors Children please stand up?

[@Jawmax]

You should make a playlist of these Genetic Heritage videos.

[@40KTheories]

Might do in future.

[@beaverrow9272]

When in doubt assume its either the Raven Guard or Alpha Legion

[@jeremysnead9233]

I think "it would be cool if": successer chapters that have questionable heratages are hybridizations. It would dilute loyalty to its forbearers. It would also allow for spectacular mutations. It would explain such as the cursed founding issues.

[@inquisitormaddox8581]

Awesome video as always

[@goliath1179]

By the Emperor. Corvus Corax has to go to the Emperor himself and ask how he can replenish his legion during the Heresy because of his immense losses and they still set up 3 successor chapters. But the Salamander’s had their entire legion reduced to the point they’d be a single chapter. Either their legion was incredibly small in comparison at the start, or they suffered mind boggling losses. Or both. I had no idea they didn’t set up any successor chapters at all.

[@goliath1179]

@Imperial fist Librarian only 20,000?! For a Legion that is insane. I can’t believe they would have so few troops. Fucking Lorgar has somewhere around 100,000 for mostly twiddling this thumbs and trying to convert people.

[@goliath1179]

@Imperial fist Librarian yeah I know, but having those numbers around the start of the heresy. It still blows my mind.

[@creepmen1867]

If they are truly decedent of the Emperors Children, they must have sonic weaponry and noise marines right???

[@91rumpnisse]

I think that would make it a little too obvious :P as well as raise a few eyebrows (amongst the imperials).

[@creepmen1867]

@@91rumpnisse who cares, they are still loyal to the Emperor, who cares if they have traitorous genes

[@Triumph263]

@@creepmen1867 The Inquisition, The Ecclesiarchy, quite few other chapters. Look at what has happened to the Lamenters for just *being rumored* to have cursed geneseed. It sucks but a significant portion of the Imperium's military strength would either refuse to fight alongside them or outright attack them. There's a reason there are no chapters officially made from traitor legion geneseed, just quite a few one with quite a few hints. The Dark Angels have made it their greatest mission to cover up the Fallen partially because what would happen to them if the truth were to come out; even they would be at risk.

[@creepmen1867]

@@Triumph263 point made

[@jb03hf]

The sonic weapons were created by a known traitor who used plans from she who thirsts. It would be highly heretical to use them.

[@gwensdad2003]

Getting inspired to expand my 1K force out to 2K now. But interestingly, they do have primaris marines now, right? aren't those from their parent genestock and didn't Guilliman state he didn't want primaris marines derived from traitor stock? Or did that only apply to new chapters?

[@Deathwindfr]

I would tend to go for the Emperor's Children

[@lyras1280]

good job, next i want to see something about loyalist World Eaters :)

[@VanGeo1]

Wrong Minotaurs at 1:50. Those are the 21st "Curse Founding" Minotaurs

[@rylanortheunyielding3811]

They're called the same, chill

[@40KTheories]

From what I recall, according to the Badab War Imperial Armour books the "Bronze" coloured Minotaurs are implied to be the 21st Founding incarnation, whilst the more... colourful variant here is commonly regarded to be the M32 founding incarnation.

[@rylanortheunyielding3811]

@@40KTheories out of curiosity, what are your opinions about the Moloc Minotaurs and the M32 Minotaurs?

[@40KTheories]

I was honestly happy that the Moloc Minotaurs got some story focus in the second Watchers of the Throne novel

[@rylanortheunyielding3811]

@@40KTheories and another novel I should pick up and read

[@xuttuh5260]

So loyalist emperor's children, living up to what the dark angels were intended to be.

[@DetroitVibe]

Question, can you do a video on genetic heretage of the Red Wolves?

[@Southern_Crusader]

2:00 Can we address the old paint job of the Minotaurs?

[@madmacksaysFu]

I know you have used this intro music forever, but it sounds so discordant to me, the early drum track does not match the score and I cant state how much its grinded on me over the years, could you plz make a new intro?

[@joseantoniosantiago1258]

What if Vulkan led the Imperium after the War of the Beast?

[@dalekrenegade2596]

Hugs for everyone!

[@HiroTheWanderer]

Probably the time rift version of the loyalist Emperors Children

[@Zekrom249]

1:20 to 1:33 Is it weird that I find this image rather wholesome?

[@moritzwysotzki5401]

2:28 - what the hell happend to his finger???

[@updfdrakkell143]

I just wish they would do some stuff about the 2 lost legions. then again I think GW should sit there buts down with the writers and get ALOT of info straightened out.

[@garretth8224]

They are called lost legions for a reason. Its supposed to be ambiguous.

[@updfdrakkell143]

@@garretth8224 its just a marketing note that they never touched on to much aside from putting the point they dont wana do anything with it. Look at it this way, with the new glasshole in the galaxy that has time warping effects couldnt they touch on it and make a 3 set series novel wise, say one 3 for both, and at least let us know about there erasure from history. 40k has bein around a long time and to be honest need to get straight the lore better and fill in some of the many holes.

[@mattkennedy9308]

It made sense back in the early days of the game because they were proto-BYO. Now there's so many sucessor chapters to do that and you can't claim your chapter is a descendant, they should cover the actual events.

[@alextar_h_lobo5188]

Jesus Christ that a lot of birds like group names

[@snakeyman5560]

How would they get access to their gene seed vaults upon Terra? I guess they wouldn't...

[@tekaraethomas6617]

What’s the name of the music in the video

[@amorphoussolid8512]

Does anyone know a reason why they couldn't be from the White Scars?

[@40KTheories]

Nothing really to say they couldn't be, just more of a lack of evidence to say that they could be more than anything else.

[@AA-dn8dj]

10:13 WAOH tiny hands space marines.

[@shawnhardy-lester8496]

Personally I would have loved it if Rylanor managed to make it back to terra and after became part of the Death Eagles

[@johnnieschatz693]

Where was the ultra Chad's during the final hours of the Horus Heresy ? Oh yeah, no where to be or found..

[@gileskangaroo2209]

The Ultramarines have had so many spinoffs it's just boring now. Don't get me wrong, your video is good and I like it. I'm just sick of Ward's Blueberries.

[@lonekirin905]

The Sons of the Phoenix and the Death Eagles

[@TK199999]

There is fluff to suggest that Death Eagles was the original name of III legion before thy were called the Emperor's Children.

[@40KTheories]

Where's that from out of curiosity? Because the 2nd edition Horus Heresy rulebook says the 3rd Legion had no other name prior to that of "The Emperor's Children" (same in HH1 - Betrayal). Are you sure you aren't misremembering the one chapter of the 3rd Legion that had the name (which is indeed mentioned in the video)?

[@judgestrix5106]

Fantastic

[@canis2020]

What if the Death Eagles are Space Marine successors?

[@garretth8224]

Preposterous

[@Vreaper92V]

Heresy

[@kendrick2213]

Nice!

[@nogodsnomasters7669]

Emporer’s Children hands down

[@headlibrarian1996]

Why wouldn't a test of the Death Eagles' geneseed tithe definitively prove who their parent legion is?

[@40KTheories]

You could say that about every chapter whose primogenitor is unknown. In this case it could simply be that the Mechanicus doesn't check where it comes from, only whether or not it's both pure and stable.

[@headlibrarian1996]

@@40KTheories What benchmark of purity is being used? Presumably a Magos Biologis wouldn’t test Angels Encarmine geneseed against an Iron Hands benchmark. Either the Mechanicus doesn’t check, in which case how did they determine which genetic reference to use, or they do, in which case the parent Legion is known to the Mechanicus just not the wider Imperium. If a Chapter really doesn’t know their ancestry it’s because they don’t want to know. This implies to me that the Mechanicus either knowingly doesn’t out loyalist chapters with traitor geneseed or such chapters simply don’t exist.

[@CommanderBohn]

Definitively Emperor's Children successors hands down.

[@omegavulture8379]

Those chapter colours are so generic that no wonder people thought that they had seen them before

[@warmasterharbinger6759]

Regardless of what the 3rd legion did not all turned, it's not right to put them to the flame if they fought for Terra and the throne for humanity and the emperor.

[@Mrbananasgfan]

Every time black library writers are too lazy to assign a primarch to a chapter they made fans go "maybe its traitor stock!!!!!"

[@40KTheories]

In this instance it's more a case of Forge World making the connection :P

[@გიორგიმოსაშვილი-ო3დ]

U mean the desert eagles right?

[@UncleMikeDrop]

Why not just develop gene therapies designed to make baseline humans more compatible with geneseed?

[@Pineappletaco]

"Caw-Caw-row-dons" lol.

[@docvaliant721]

They act like Dark Angles

[@ZombieX13]

It could be from this legion or this legion or this legion.... or the legion that bears their exact name and iconography. You decide. Lol

[@mrgamerguy9104]

Loyalist space marines are the ones who understand that the true threat isn't chaos, neither orks and eldar, the true threat is the imperium focused on religion than its plans and tactical and technology advantage, the imperium would've actually won every single war if they didn't stop reading a cursed book named imperial creed. Look at what they do to ogyrns, guardsmen and other worlds. Look at whenever you criticize something against the imperium you are immediately branded as a traitor and executed. Not to mention that the adeptus mechanicus is still way more dumb to make better technology than worshipping a god trapped in mars.

[@theinquisitionsparrot6749]

I refuse.

[@ThortheGodly]

Alpha legion.

[@crippletime]

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