.454 Casull vs. .480 Ruger Underwood Xtreme Penetrators in Rossi 92s

[@desertriderukverun1002]

Great video, I always wondered what the 480 would do in a rifle. I’m not surprised at the 480’s performance. When the 480 was introduced my shooting buddy I got some of the first SRH’s in Alaska and proceeded to work up loads with a variety of cast bulles from 275 to 460gr. I had a custom 460 gr WFN mold and worked up a load that clocked 1100 fps from a 7 1/2” barrel. I sent some to friend in the lower 48 to test at the Linebaugh institute. This was 20 odd years ago but as I recall it was one of the best performances in penetration that summer. The wet newsprint test was 48”, the bone test was 2” of bone and 12” of newsprint. As I recall only a few loads out penetrated it, and only by a few inches. I’m still convinced for a powerful round that most people can handle the recoil the 480 is the best, it kicks like a big 44. The 454, 475 and 500 have much more severe recoil. I also think if 400 gr @1200 fps isn’t enough, it’s time for a big rifle, not more speed or bullet weight in a handgun.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@desertriderukverun1002 I couldn't agree more! Thanks for watching and the comment. Love to hear more about your experiences! Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours my friend!

[@desertriderukverun1002]

@@AlaskanBallistics my load work is scattered across various shooting forums. The 460 gr was really too much of a good thing. The cherry was designed for the 475 Linebaugh just sunk deeper in the mold and the desired weight was 450 gr. The bullet was so long if you seated to the canslure it swelled the case so I had to seat it to crimp into the first lube groove. I also got slightly sticky extraction which I have no desire for in a gun that could be used for a close encounter with Yogi bears angry cousin. I settled on 400 gr over 21 gr H-110 and a CCI 350. Back when I was shooting every week from a rest my SRH would group that load into 1” at 50 yds. I tested every mold between 390-410 gr I could buy or borrow and they all grouped 1” at 50 yds and brass fell out of the cylinder. The only molds I kept were one of the LEE 400 gr prototypes and a custom Mountain Mold that has an extra long nose so you can load to the same COAL as a 475 Linebaugh. My shooting buddy easily achieved 1350 fps, but the increase in recoil from the 1200 fps load was substantial and beyond what I can accurately shoot. If you handload I’ll be glad to send you some 275 gr SWC’s (I scaled up Elmer Keith’s classic SWC) and some 400 gr’s. I have an MP hollow point mold ( I think around 350 gr) I haven’t had time to cast yet and plan to get a custom 440 gr long nose mold made. I never did penetration tests back in the day and plan to do some extensive testing in the future. Cook Inlet silt is an endless supply of testing medium 😎. I did test a 400 gr hollow point mold in the silt near Hope and as I recall penetration was nearly 2 feet. The nose blew off and I was left with a 300 gr wad cutter

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@desertriderukverun1002 I do handload, but I'm hundreds of projects behind right not

[@bustabass9025]

Got 'em both, love 'em both. In revolvers, though. No bears where I am, but I walk the urban streets of the hood with a newfound confidence.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Lol I bet you do!

[@darrellfilyaw7255]

Have both in revolvers have a lever action 454 passed up a 480 Ruger Rossi years ago been chasing them have not seen one under $2000. Good video.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I know he paid more than that!

[@biggunshandguns3687]

For that kind of money could you have one done in 480? I love the 480 and would love to have a lever gun in 480

[@BlueGoosePressureWashing]

Iv got a blued .480 puma (Rossi) and two stainless models it’s taken 4 years and Iv never seen one under $2,000 either there to hard to find to be cheap

[@Iluvbisquits]

Finally a P92 .480 Ruger video!!! I have a stainless with 16" barrel. The only ammo I've ever used is Hornady Critical defense, but it's worked flawlessly. I'm in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Western NC, but an Alaskan in a lever gun forum assured me that there isn't a creature walking the continent of North America that a .480 can't bring down...

[@AlaskanBallistics]

That is correct, nothing I wouldn't take with that

[@davidpalkovich7531]

I have the 92 in .480. One of only 100 made I believe. Great gun. The 320 grain Hornady loads are great. They also have a 400 grainer that seems a bit less accurate (although that is likely the shooter😬).

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Cool. I'll have to find more loads to test

[@russhayes4882]

Great thanks a lot now I want a 480 ruger ! I already have the 454 casull in a Rossi . And .357 and 44 mag

[@AlaskanBallistics]

You're quite welcome. How do the other ones shoot?

[@jasonshults368]

Those Rossi lever guns look to be perfect for bear defense, if you just lost your job, have a huge life insurance policy, and have a family for whom you are the bread winner. A niche rifle, but quite effective for the task.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

If they weren't so ammo picky...

[@kansasscout4322]

@@AlaskanBallistics My 357 Rossi does not have that issue but admittedly I have not shot all the brands and types. Wonderful rifle!

[@jb-tw6id]

Hi from Pennsylvania. Keep up the good work and gun research for us to watch. Thanks

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@@jb-tw6id thank you kindly!

[@curmudgeinnak]

very nice. Did not know about these two rifles.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

They're interesting for sure

[@mtower235]

That’s interesting about the feeding issues

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Yep... just seams to be ammo picky

[@danielhess39]

Great comparison!! Thank you

[@AlaskanBallistics]

You're welcome, thank you for watching and the comment.

[@PVW1960]

I think my 7.5" 480 Ruger SRH is always the winner in Alaska! Thanks for your videos!

[@AlaskanBallistics]

A good one for sure!

[@davidneal6920]

Like them both Chuck! And very high quality ammo!! Good point about slower bigger calibres penetrate well. Found that with my 8x57 / 196grain. Great video thanks 🇺🇸 🇳🇿

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank You!

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I've got to get down there and go hunting with you sometime

[@davidneal6920]

@@AlaskanBallistics that would be good

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@davidneal6920 what's the cheapest and or easiest thing to hunt?

[@davidneal6920]

@@AlaskanBallistics probably red deer. Need to get helicopter into the hills though

[@YellowHammer26]

👍👍appreciate the video Chuck. I replied yesterday but it disappeared.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

KZbin is weird right now

[@michaelbrooks2432]

Love range day and thank you for the info 👍

[@AlaskanBallistics]

No problem brother. Thanks for watching and commenting

[@2006Mercury]

Wow. Impressive lever actions

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thanks!

[@bobcatforever3485]

AB. Good and interesting video. Thanks for your work and for sharing. Take care.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank You!

[@wadelucero6461]

What a great test I'm old school partial to 454 it's still very viable I recently saw a test lever action 454 vs 45-70 using same bullet same manufacturer Federal premium red box 300gr SJSP the 45-70 about 200+fps faster but the 454 penetrated much deeper in wood and water jugs test

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Slower bullet often penetrates deeper, especially with expanding ammo

[@wadelucero6461]

@@AlaskanBallistics Chuck thanks for the response I really love your channel and value your opinion and experience I always have thoughts and questions on these topics. I will see you on the next live show I'm going to give you a heads up I'm going to ask you about the David Tubbs nose ring cutter if you have any free time check into it your can Google it and watch him explain on u tube videos until then stay blessed 🙌

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@wadelucero6461 thanks.

[@davidscroggins5853]

I always wanted a 454 casull also thanks for all the information a great video

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank You Kindly! Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours!

[@sonnygunz9207]

Awesome test. Thanks Chuck.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank You Brother!

[@Bearclaw700]

Nice video! The U tube algorithm won't let me post comments about it for some reason.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Yeah it's getting weirder and weirder... sometimes I can't see the comments I just posted

[@jameshood9694]

Both are a great choice for defense in the woods or hunting. I do not have either though. I have a 45 Long Colt and yes I do have Underwood Xtreme Penetrator ammo for it. Great stuff.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Good choice! Lever gun?

[@jameshood9694]

@@AlaskanBallistics eventually I eill get a lever gun in 45LC. I have a EAA Bounty Hunter in 45 Long Colt. Walnut grips, stainless gun, 7.5 inch barrel.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@jameshood9694 nice!

[@cw2a]

Good Comparison Chuck! You need to work it with muscle. It will loosen up but if you work it "lazy" it does that. We have TWO of the 454 here. Both will do same. Mine is much better but I have 3/400 rounds where my buddy doesn't have 100. I made up dummies and sat and levered them thru over and over. I thought there was a issue, I feel its that slight longer case in the Cassull over std magnums and 45 Colt. Mine will feed operated slow if im deliberate.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Makes sense. Thanks. My buddy wants to load up 200gr hardcast from ckbcastbullets.com

[@cw2a]

@@AlaskanBallistics Did I send any 45 Cast?

[@YellowHammer26]

👍👍Thanks Chuck

[@jamespugh]

​@@AlaskanBallistics agree 200gr cast will be hard to beat in it.

[@jmc041071]

If you handload, could you seat the bullet a little deeper to help with the feeding issue on that one?

[@lucasschmitz4588]

Another great video keep it up

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank you! Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours.

[@andyherzfeld9492]

I've had trouble with the Leighi xtreme penetrators feeding in semi auto's and lever actions because of the shape it catches on the feed ramp. Great for revolvers though.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thanks. Good to know. I've had no issues in 10mm

[@williamgaines9784]

Gotta get a Xero! Setup is beyond easy. No screens, no worry about clouds, etc.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

It is simply the best chronograph ever invented.

[@ronaldpetersen255]

Now we need an apples to apples penetration comparison using 300 gr (same grain) bullets for each caliber. The 250 grain in a 454 Casull is a very light for caliber bullet and penetration suffers greatly, fwiw! Both are fantastic cartridges btw!!

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I can't find any ammo of the same bullet style.

[@ronaldpetersen255]

@@AlaskanBallistics Gotta love shopping for ammo in Alaska!!

[@twp616]

I would have expected better numbers from both guns. I shoot 300 grain XTPs in my 20" Marlin 1894 in 44 Magnum at 1780 fps and 2110 fpe. I shoot 240's at 1940 fps

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Interesting. Could be powder used is slightly faster in these factory loads

[@twp616]

@@AlaskanBallistics H110 powder is all I ever use for 44 magnum.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@@twp616 I've got some to try four my 44

[@Iluvbisquits]

Liked and subscribed!!!

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank You Kindly! Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours.

[@ShastaBean]

With both of the pork-shoulders, you had the paper label facing towards you - so those small holes really should be the exit hole, like you 1st thought. So, the big gaping hole is the entry - which is interesting. Good test. And that was crazy how it pulled that water jug label that far back into the gel. wth

[@AlaskanBallistics]

That's what I was thinking! Thanks! Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours my friend.

[@KevinHiggins-t8q]

What size cast bullet do you use for reloading 480 ruger

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Well I haven't started reloading for it yet, do you have any suggestions? I get my cast bullets from Ken at CKBCASTBULLETS dot com

[@alanniederlitz8630]

good stuff

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank You Kindly!

[@Shane696]

Would love to see a 460 S&W video.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Me too, I've got a few videos in a playlist with a borrowed 5" revolver, but with youtube restricting views and medical bills piling up, I'm not going to be able to afford the big horn Armory 460 lever gun anytime soon.

[@golffoxtrotyankeehooligan222]

Yeah, I have to disagree with your assessment. The 454 Casull is 250 grain round with average over 2k fps average and the .480 is a 300 grain round and producing only 1600 fps average. The wound channel in the .454 Casull was more damage than the .480 even a blind person could see that. I’m not a fan of underwood ammo due to feed issues and you experience that and said it was a new pew problem but I have had several feed issues with underwood ammo and it’s wasn’t a new pew but it was a clean, semi clean and a well shot rifle. So with my assessment it’s the awkward tip of the underwood ammo but some people love the ammo.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

It was the cartridge overall length of the ammo not the bullet tip that caused the feeding issues.

[@xgford94]

300 gr @ 1600 is 24.9k ft.lb, 250gr @2000 is 22k ft.lb so that’s less …

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Might want to check your math. 24,900 ft lbs is double 50 bmg

[@xgford94]

@@AlaskanBallistics oops I did a NASA mixed metric and Imperial ..so (.480-1705ftlb)(.454-2220 ftlb) so I’m double wrong

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@xgford94 at least it wasn't a probe trying to land on Mars...

[@harles255]

The 480 is beautiful beast. I have thee revolvers chambered in it, and would love a liong gus chambered for it. Where did you find it?

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Gun broker.. they didn't make many

[@616ist]

Nice I have both of them in revolvers.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Cool. Which revolvers?

[@616ist]

454 Is in a Super Redhawk and The 480 in the Super Blackhawk Bisley. ​@AlaskanBallistics

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@616ist nice!

[@jamespugh]

Both great looking rifles. I will take the 454 just bc i can load with 45colt +p loads. And have the 454 power when needed. I got few friends that had 480 ruger pistols and sold them off. One guy got one and send ammo hos hard to find here.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Nice

[@aaronwilcox6417]

Either one is formidable at close distances. The real problem is the Rossi rifle quality, or should we say lack thereof. I enjoy leveractions but for the money id rather get an 450 Bushmaster upper and use same bullets as the 454. At least id have more confidence it would function more reliable.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I can't debate you there

[@ag6907]

Man I wish your side camera would have worked. I own a 454 casull rossi.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Yeah sorry about that. They didn't make too many .480 rugers. They're expensive when you find one.

[@hillbillyscholar8126]

The censorship on this type of content is outrageous since the “ear piercing”. Thanks for sharing though, this was interesting! 👍❤️

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank you watching. Get around the censorship by sharing this

[@Cucurú-c9v]

Rossi's may not like that funny round. It's the all Winchester actions are. They're ammo snobs, only prefer to eat only certain types of ammo. My daughter just cracked the stock on her .454. not expensive to replace. She got one without the rubber pad.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Interesting

[@DouglasPrice-p9q]

… I sold off my Rossi 92s years ago … QC issues

[@davidneal6920]

I tried a friends one in 357. Seemed to go ok

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@davidneal6920 Rossi/Taurus do seam to be hit or miss

[@jasonreininger469]

Not today Chuke

[@ChukesOutdoorAdventures]

Doh!!

[@MojoMedicineMan]

Rossi has a 480 Ruger? Spendy? What else in pistol calibers?

[@AlaskanBallistics]

. 454 .480 .44 .357

[@MojoMedicineMan]

@@AlaskanBallistics Thanks!

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@user-tb9rw7dh2t you're welcome. Henry makes a 41 magnum

[@jamespugh]

Henry also offers the 327mag

[@MojoMedicineMan]

@@jamespugh Yeah, the ballistics are great with the 327 Federal mag. A great revolver cartridge for men and women. Unfortunately, ammo has to be ordered for it. Funny story, I walked into a gun shop store and there were two young fellas in there trying to look cool. I asked to look at a 327 Magnum revolver and they started laughing at me. "No such thing!" I didn't take kindly to these two idiots behind the counter, so I promptly asked what was so funny, me or them? One kid shut up and googled his phone and couldn't believe his eyes. Yes, indeed the 327 mag does exist! No more be said and I left, because there sure wasn't going to be any ammo there.

[@jjs5191]

I am so jealous of that Rossi in 480

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@jjs5191 it's nice for sure

[@jjs5191]

@@AlaskanBallistics I had to settle for a Henry steel frame in 45. Those frames can handle plus be loads and it’s nice shooting and well pointing rifle

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@jjs5191 the Henry is a better rifle for sure!

[@jjs5191]

@@AlaskanBallistics just wish I could get it in 480 riger

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@jjs5191 me too

[@frenchroast1355]

Rossi is still making the R92?

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I think so. Seen a few locally for sale

[@T.A.B.Videos]

👍👍

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thanks !

[@davidshaffer4664]

The 480 is not a 454 have no plans to get a 480

[@LGB-FJB]

Al gore rythm

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thanks!

[@LGB-FJB]

@@AlaskanBallistics You are welcome

[@billbertagnoli4226]

I just don't get it. If you are going to Carry a rifle why don't You just shoot a rifle cartridge.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@billbertagnoli4226 For woods in here in alaska, I totally agree. But my cameraman bought the four fifty four, Because his wife could not handle the recoil of magnum forty five seventy loads, So he wanted something would be better Than a handgun

[@billbertagnoli4226]

@@AlaskanBallistics thanks. I get That the 45-70 would be a handful But what about all the new straight Walled offerings like 350 legend And such or even 30-30. ! I really Enjoy your channel and the topics you bring up. I live in Northern Michigan and we have a pretty Healthy bear population. I've Had one or more on and off My property all summer. I am Prepared to dispatch one if I Had to buy they are not aggressive. Sofar.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@billbertagnoli4226 they make good sausage! So for 350 legend or 30-30... good hardcast or solid bullets don't exist in factory loaded ammunition. So yes more powerful, but what the bullet does when it gets there is more important than the power.