458 Win Mag - The MOST Versatile Cartridge?

[@bobmcclure8069]

A wise man once said, 'You can put small things in a big truck much easier than the other way around...' What do you want? A 45 Colt? Can do! A trapdoor 45/70? Got it! Cheap plinking loads with cast bullets and Trailboss? Easy! Deer loads? Piece of cake! It is for this reason that my gunsmith is making me up a 358 Norma Mag. I'll never shoot full power loads out of it, but if I ever need a big truck....

[@Snailz5]

To me it feels like all these dumb tool and DIY hack videos. 10 ways to pull a nail out of a board and none of them are using the claw of a hammer. You want to do a job, get the right tool. One multi tool that is worse at every of the 5 things it does and comes with the risk of blowing up is not worth just buying the rifles for the applications required.

[@johnelliott7375]

You have one, 300 Winchester Magnum is good enough for me and not the shorty version of it. 😊

[@sinisterthoughts2896]

If you change the loads a lot for different roles it might be a headache to remember your zeros and drops. I can see having the capacity to go big if needed, yet still keep the rifle practical for day to day work, I suppose.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@Snailz5 Trail Boss powder poses no risk of said 'blowing up'.

[@nmelkhunter1]

@@johnelliott7375For the vast majority of game you are spot on.

[@aspen3542]

I bought a new Garmin chronograph just to test my 458 Win Mag handloads with 500 grain bullets and A2230 powder, following the recommendations in the reloading manual. I was getting 2160 fps. This is plenty of velocity for dangerous game, and great penetration. Shooting the rifle off the bench was no fun, but I did it for science.

[@danielcurtis1434]

Thank you for science sake!!!

[@WilliamAjanssen]

Great peace of information! I have hunted with my 458 mag I built on a 98 Mauser I got from my grandfather for many years. It has never felt that bad on recoil. That rifle has never failed me on anything from coyotes to elk .

[@lights80088]

I had a Ruger No.1, falling block. Absolutely loved that gun. I reloaded those compressed loads. It was a little scary when the powder came within about 1/4" of the top of the shell. You could hear the powder crunching when pressing in that big bullet. If I remember correctly, the bullet had a very heavy copper jacket over a hollow steel bullet cored with lead. I think we used 3031 powder, not totally sure. I once shot a tree that was 5 feet in diameter and the bullet went all the way through. That was one heavy recoiling rifle.

[@rayjones5282]

I would love to see a review like this on the 45/70. But forget about the old trap door. Theres so many people that would buy the new lever or single shot rifles out there now, if they really knew how versatile you can load the 45/70. Just like this .458, there not flat shooters, but with the right bullets, the mpbr is nothing to sneeze at. The 45/70 just don't get the attention I think it deserves. Thanks for the great videos.

[@laurentlacas]

Hi to all big bore lovers and thank you Ron !

[@ronaldpacheco5366]

When you are adopted, it is because the parents who adopt you do it because of love and not because you were a mistake. I heard many times when I was young. By my parents who adopted me. I am 57 years old now, and I have never forgotten this. My true love was my parents. I mias them every day now.

[@briankopp1369]

I like apples.

[@markm976]

Thanks Ron for another great video showcasing what these not so common cartridges can really do. One of my favourite loads in the .458 win mag is the Hornady 325 ftx moving at 2800 fps. I have killed several deer with that load at 300 plus yards and it does it well.

[@csjrogerson2377]

I agree, but there are dozens of other rifles that will do the job equally well and do many other things very well too.

[@brickhammerSS]

​@@csjrogerson2377what difference does it make to you what the guy uses?

[@anonymousf454]

​@@csjrogerson2377How many will put an Elephant on his ass before he turns you into tomato paste?

[@bearbait2221]

What is your favorite powder for the .458WM? Mine is H335. I have never tried 325 grain. 350gn round nose at 2400fps works great for moose and Kodiak brown bears. I like the sound of 2800fps. I have also never shot a 500gn. Im in Alaska not Africa i think 500gn would be the right medicine for Africa. I call the .458wm the 3 step gun because I've seen many moose and 10foot+ bears only take 3 steps after the 458 slaps and on the other hand I also have seen many moose run away with 7mm and 30-06 like nothing hit them at all. Only to have the meat grinder stall years later>> What stalls the grinder? 7mm and 30-06 bullets from years earlier poor moose:( Found 4 bullets in the grinder so far mostly 30-06. 1 was my friends 30-06 from 4 years before. Knock on wood no 1 will find my .458wm in the grinder:(

[@stanpotter7764]

I have 2 Whitworth Express rifles, in both .375 H&H and .458 WinMag. Awesome underrated mauser action rifles. They only weigh about 8 lbs though, and the .458 is pretty brutal. After shooting a few rounds through it 1 day I switched to my 12 gauge slug gun with 3 inch slugs. I swear I thought I had a squid load after the first round because the recoil was so light. I shot another and it was the same. I was so used to the 458 recoil that the 3 inch slugs felt like nothing. I believe I did the calculations once and the recoil was around at 75 foot-pounds. Also the recoil pad is rock hard which doesn't help.😵 The .375 on the other hand, isn't too bad. Great video, by the way!

[@btj1969]

I have a suppressor on my rifle. Shooting subsonic 730 grain Bullet is pretty hard hitting. Fun as hell!!!! Ordered mould from Cast Bullet Engineering / Australia

[@MasterWitchDoctor]

Brigadier General Victor Johnson used the Winchester .458 magnum to hunt bigfoot, dogman, and werewolves. Some of his stories about hunting them in Alaska are horrifying. His story about killing a pack of dogman down in some swamp in Florida's panhandle was the most horrifying. He used the .458 Win mag because of its ability to take them down in 1 shot. We have them here in South West Tennessee (look up Pickwick landing) and the Land Between the Lakes in Southern Kentucky. Cocke County Tennessee is a really hot spot, thats where Tony Ahrens and Amber Miller were ripped apart by one a few years ago.

[@caileanmacanndraigh8580]

Thanks Ron. For your perspective on my request for this video. Just to be fair I never use the 458wm or the 45-70 on small game. I’d not find fun in erasing 😢 squirrels or rabbits However hand loading the 458 renders some amazing results and an ability to hunt the medium to the largest game to include DG. When I shoot lite loads like I use filler to take up the space and then only in the Ruger no1. As its strength is unmatched in hunting rifles. Great video. You made some great points. Thanks for raising the caution about dangers in reduced loads. It’s good to keep safe. Shoot straight eat great. Cailean

[@the.original.throwback]

I once had a BSA .458 Win Mag in a 7.5 lb lightweight bolt action rifle that had a very effective muzzle brake cut directly into the barrel. The recoil was tolerable but the muzzle screech was astounding. Excellent rifle. Wish I still had it.

[@Ry_Guy01]

Love the Winchester M70 the pre-64 or the 90’s variant in 458 win mag kicks hard those hornandy 500gr DGS make around 5100 ft-lbs of muzzle energy at 2150fps hits hard makes a 308 or a 30-06 feel like a 22LR.

[@samuel4568]

I have a m70 458 win mag. Shot it twice and it’s been in the safe since. I use my 375 h&h for all safari’s.

[@r.awilliams9815]

I agree, with hand loading the .458 can be very versatile...and therein lies the problem. New brass is unobtainium now, nobody has it in stock, and apparently Hornady has discontinued sales of .458 Magnum brass. If you want reloadable brass, you have to fire factory ammo...at better than $7 a pop.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

What fires an identical caliber bullet? .45-70.

[@r.awilliams9815]

@@exothermal.sprocket I'm well aware of that, since I own several of them. But we're talking about the .458 Magnum here, not the .45-70.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@r.awilliams9815 Certainly. Same caliber bullet however, often identical bullet construction depending on load intention. Garrett Cartridges of Texas claims one of their loads out-penetrates the magnums, due to a phenomenon of increased velocities being detrimental to penetration, other factors being equal. Big energy numbers aren't everything, especially terminally.

[@luvtahandload7692]

Scour all the gunshows in your region. That's where I get all my 458 Win brass. 😊

[@ben501st]

I'd like a modern take on the 458 win mag. Something like a 450 bushmaster stretched out. With 450 bushmaster being popular in straight walled deer states, brass manufacturers wouldn't need to change much tooling.

[@gdaytrees4728]

Hey Ron...my wife ordered your 7mm Cartridges book for Christmas. Being a Canadian, our border patrol delayed the book. I received the extremely "happy surprise" today. I read all 183 pages today. Non stop excellence, Ron. I highly recommend this to anyone and everyone. Well researched, exceedingly well written, educational, great humor and eloquence that kept my eyes peeled and had me poring over the pages, absorbing the work with exuberant elation and gleeful joy. I will be looking to purchase more from your library, my good man. Well done indeed!

[@andrewcleveland]

Great video Ron. I use my 416 rem mag for everything now, and is the only rifle I carry. Which I only have whitetails and the occasional wild hog to hunt. I have never used the 400 gr loads on game because I simply don’t need them. I load 300 grain tsx at 2800 fps and 340 woodleigh pp at 2700 fps. That woodleigh load has over 5,300 ftlbs of muzzle energy and the trajectory of your standard 180 gr soft point 30/06 loads atleast to 300 yards. I practice out to 300 yards and it’s very easy to wear out a 10” steel plate at that range. The bullet combination has been devastating on whitetail.

[@markloomis1415]

Ron,I thought the 458 win mag was my secret but apparently there other bigbore fans out there. Who new! I've been hunting with various 458's for over 40yrs and have killed everything from woodchucks to whitetails to caribou to red stag to waterbuffalo and cape Buffalo and more. The 458 probably has more bullet options than most other calibers and truly will work for most hunting around the world. Also you didn't mention the fact that because of the straight case it can be loaded as a shotgun shell for squirrels and rats and I've even taken grouse on the ground or roosting in a tree! The 458's, which I include the Lott and the 45/70 and 45/90 are truly the most versatile cartridges, if you are a handloader, out there. But keep it quiet would ya. I've been trying to keep it my little secret for years!

[@tim7052]

It's my secret too, brother!! Shhhh!! 🤫

[@caileanmacanndraigh8580]

Hey laddie. I have tae tell you it’s a secret we all know. Tis a great one too

[@bearbait2221]

WTF .458wm shot shell??? Why do i not know about this?? I could have shot like 50000000 sprues hens while moose hunting. Were do i find load data on this new fact. YOU SIR HAVE MADE MY YEAR!!! I have some studying to do. And some reloading :0>>>>> P.S .458wm FOR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thanks from Alaska

[@markloomis1415]

Start with 410 shotshell data. I even use 2.5 " 410 shotcups.

[@georgemcarthur488]

That was interesting that you brought up "under loads". My old man blew up his 76 Winchester 45-70 (along with his hand) with one, oddly enough in 1976. Basically what happens is the primer initially puts the bullet in the barrel and the delayed ignition of the powder turns the chamber into a grenade. Very rare but it can happen. It's called a detonation.

[@anonymousf454]

Dam...was he able to salvage the hand? How bad was it? Man a hand injury sucks...I know.

[@georgemcarthur488]

@@anonymousf454 Most of it, just ended up losing the end of his thumb. But it broke every bone in his hand. And I miss-spoke. It was an 86 Winchester.

[@anonymousf454]

@@georgemcarthur488 Ouch...Injury like that ever heal correctly? So many intricate connections in there. I've got a little nerve damage and just that is challenging some times.

[@borkwoof696]

Was it a modern reproduction or an original?

[@georgemcarthur488]

@@borkwoof696 Original

[@antonrehling1966]

My choice is 300 win mag. At 1000 yards I own you. 225 grain BTHP has been my preferred projectile pushed with 73 gns of H1000.

[@joelmacha1454]

I have a Ruger #1 in 458 and have taken many hogs, deer, and Bison with it using the Barnes 450 grain factory load. Years ago I put a Limbsaver AirTech recoil pad on it for my wife to use on a hunt. It cut the felt recoil almost in half. Now it's regularly taken to the shooting range instead of spending most of it's life collecting dust!

[@exothermal.sprocket]

According to Garrett Cartridges of Texas, one of their .45-70 loads out-penetrates the .458 Win mag due to lesser velocity. Correction 11:03, you meant to say the .450 Bushmaster (Socom is .458 caliber).

[@orr89rocz]

You would think if the straight wall states could/would or do allow this round, some manufacturers would make some light 250-325 grain pointed bullets loaded down some just for deer and put out more rifles chambered in it

[@davejones6006]

Case is too long

[@orr89rocz]

@@davejones6006 i didnt think all the states had a length limit. Seems like ohio may be the only one who doesnt. Makes sense then

[@mattrickard3716]

If I ever find myself wanting to disown my right shoulder and write it out of my will, I might just buy one. Until then, I think I'm good with the little 450 bushmaster and not bleeding from the ears. P.S. Best gun channel ever!

[@bearbait2221]

lame

[@stevefavia]

Excellent video Ron! Love my 458 !

[@penroddavis8098]

The 458 SOCOM uses 458 bullets. The 450 Bushmaster uses the 452 pistol bullets...

[@davidinghram2494]

Absolutely it is! I have been hunting rabbits and squirrels for years with mine. I find it useful for keeping rabbits out of the garden, and the neighbors dog from pooping in my back yard. Yep, great cartridge.

[@csjrogerson2377]

Have you ever eaten any of the rabbits or do you just collect parts and make a stew when you have enough?

[@tim7052]

​@@csjrogerson2377Good one!! 🤣👍

[@JW...-oj5iw]

Amazing how many responses about calibers that aren't in the discussion are posted here. I have a .458 WM in a Ruger #1T from 1976. I have a mostly full box of 510gr factory WW SuperX. It wallops the hell out of my shoulder. However, I used Midway USA to obtain a large supply of brass and lightweight bullets, so I have plenty of JHP and cast lead projectiles to experiment with in both the .458 and .45-70. Plinking with those calibers is enormous fun.

[@Eggomania86]

As far as recoil goes, if you can handle 12 gauge 3" or 3.5" turkey loads, from a light Mossberg 590 or Remington 870 pump shotgun you can run a .458 Win no problem. It's not pleasant or fun but it's doable. It's something I don't care for shooting lots of. In some straight wall only states where case length isn't an issue where case length is not limited. I think the .458 Win would be the cats @$$! You could utilize those Hornady FTX bullets for deer. I heard some guys getting close to 2800fps with FTX bullets by Hornady. I think it would be fun to play with. I might experient with said loads.

[@billgoodwin8013]

Very interesting Ron. I shoot the 500 and 510 grainers at roughly 40 yards, but at 85 this is becoming much less common. Buffs are in any event unaffordable. I have sold my 375 and 300 grain reloads sound just the ticket for kudu etc.

[@cameronlamb7274]

Is say so lighter thinner jacketed bullets(or cast) for game like deer/pigs/black bear slightly heavier for thinks like elk and moose. Can handle anything from white tails to elephant with different bullets and loads.

[@arnostruwig9634]

Hi Ron. Love the channel! Even more when relevant to something I have as well. I shoot n solid 300gr bullet locally manufactured here in South Africa. I love the cartridge, got a Lott aswell but it will always be my Nr1 stopper. And YES it is versatile. First kill was a blesbok(plains game at about 40 to 45kg) open sights. Keep up the good work thank u very much.

[@Nick-wn1xw]

IF you reload it is a VERY versatile all around shorter range, woods rifle. It can be loaded from the lightest 45-70 (which really is a very mild load), to Marlin 45-70 (a step up) then the Ruger 45-70 (another step up) to full house .458Win magnum loads-- and all with minimal meat damage.

[@claiborneeastjr4129]

Nice video. I have a Ruger Number One in 458 WinMag, and have fired it about 325 times. It is very versatile from plinking loads with 305 grain cast bullets on up to the hotter stuff. Just because I could, I loaded some Hornady 300 JHP bullets up to 3,000 fps. Kicked like a mule, but reasonably accurate. Likely past the design limits for those bullets, but they held together. Great "varmint" load. It is a fun cartridge and rifle to shoot. Another good load is the Hornady (or Speer) 350 FN or RN at about 2350 fps. Not max, but very stout. Will group about 1" at 100 yards.

[@lawrenceallen8096]

Howdy. Wishing you well, brother! Thanks for the info. A couple of friendly observations. 375 H&H magnum is British...on a trip to London I made a pilgrimage to one of their original shops in London. Also, did I miss you commenting on the .460 Weatherby Magnum being the most powerful American sporting cartridge? 1957, only 1 year later. 500-grain, 2,700 ft/s, 8,100 ft⋅lbs, of muzzle energy.

[@noahmercy-mann4323]

For light loads, just use the .458 X 2" American that Frank Barnes developed (and Marlin lengthened the belt on, and called the .450 Marlin). It is simply a 458 Win Mag case trimmed down to 2". I can load the old "collar button" bullets (under 200 grain) or even muzzleloader round balls at low velocity in these shorter cases for small game hunting without worry of "flashover".

[@alexpark7139]

You are a lot of fun, Ron! Basically the same reasoning I use with my son to stop bugging me about using my 12 ga slug. It works where I use it! Pop

[@ThemantleofElijah]

Ron I have a 458 Lott and plan to use it just as such an all around big game rifle

[@Blair338RUM]

Ron, it’s a perfect varminting round lol actually the 458 Lott is an even butter choice. 🤣

[@DonaldRussell-g9t]

If it kicks to much put a muzzle brake on it.

[@johncrosser8783]

Ron, Could you do a Video on The 416 Hoffman? I’m a Big Fan of your Videos!

[@patrickgjorven7832]

With firsthand experience with the round, the first recommended next purchase is add a recoil pad.

[@jwgbmp40]

You got any 375 ruger vids?

[@kcarter2958]

My Browning Safari in .458 Win Mag is only about a 7.5 pound rifle. With full factory 500 grain loads it is a joy to shoot off the bench. However, I have throttled it down with cast bullets and it worked just fine. But once I did a very stupid thing. I used my own cast .452 diameter bullets and I couldn't consistently hit a target 15 yards out because they would not stabilize. They also leaded the bore up massively. Live and learn.

[@CFurnace-72]

I think that the 460 weatherby fares as well or better than the 458. When I get my sights setup ( new) I’ll let you know. Handloads of course but plan on barnes tsx bullets.

[@wilsonbelle6600]

I like my .458 Lott because handles Win Mag pretty easily, but I can always go bigger.

[@ben501st]

I'd love a modernized 458 win mag. A rimless, beltess cartridge akin to the 350/400 legend or 450 bushmaster but stretched to 30-06 length. Something that could be loaded down for deer hunting and target practice but cranked up for dangerous game. The magic of the 350 legend is that it was cheap from the get go. Let's do the same to get more folks into big bores.

[@MattElsner]

I used a 458 win mag for dee loaded 450 grn barns tsx they do well loaded light or super hot. A 415 grn hard cast with trail boss. Nearly no recoil but plenty of punch

[@tim7052]

I've hunted DG with my .458 Win Mag for over 30 years, and it has worked fine for me EVERY time!! All but one trophy (that being my very first cape buff) were all one-shot kills. My pet load is a Woodleigh 500gr RNSP or FMJ (identical SDs with a difference of 0.003 in BCs) driven by 72gr of AR2206H powder. This load prints 4-shot groups of each projectile that touch each other at 75yds, with recovered bullets retaining 98% of their weight. I've found the .458 WM to be an awesome calibre in a standard length action: which has benefitted from today's powders and bullets. Indeed, I know an African PH who says its performance - when using the Woodleigh 480gr RNSN projectile - is phenomenal on elephant and cape buff. True, there are many better calibres (I'd love to own an interwar 470 double with rising dolls head bite, but alas!). But for me, the recoil is very manageable, and - for my rifle, at least - it's super accurate. As the game hasn't changed, what more would you need? 👍

[@rjakiel73]

458 Win beautiful cartridge but not my pick for most versatile. In my opinion, take it as you will, the 45-70 still takes that crown because it can be loaded down to almost nothing with 200-250gr bullets for varmints and even shot shell or "forager" rounds for small game like grouse, squirrel and rabbit yet can still be loaded for the Big 5 which it has taken. The other is that the 45-70 rifle can be paired with a 45-70 pistol, like the BFR, which is another huge advantage. That’s the one thing the 458 Win still can’t do which puts it in second place or possibly third overall next to the 460SW which can be loaded in similar ways to the 45-70 and also has multiple pistol options.

[@Nello353]

I had a Win 348 and it was a great deer cartridge but it had several drawbacks. I found it difficult to reload , it had to be crimped and every now and then when setting bullets I would push the neck into the shoulder.I know this was my fault but I never had got concerned when loading other cartridges.The real game changer was mounting a scope, because of top ejection a scope would have to be “ side mounted “, producing an offset that looked ridiculous but could be practical.Being a traditionalist I sold the rifle and bought a bolt action and all went well. Some years later l bought an 18” barreled action in 358W put a Mannlicher style stock on it and was very successful with it, a friend admired the rifle and I sold it to him. I sold 5 or 6 rifles in my years as a hunter and later in life I regretted selling all of them.

[@Mark-uq9km]

The .348 Win, model 71 is an absolute classic rifle. It did have the top ejection which made using optics problematic. It fell out of favor in the 50's with production ceasing for the model 71 in 1958. Marlin came out with the .444 Marlin in '64-'65 which was to be a replacement lever action with similar external ballistics. It was billed as the most powerful lever action in the world. Evidently, no one told them the model 1895 Winchester in .405 Win still had more power than the trip4. Winchester started making their model 94 in Big Bore calibers like the .356 Win, .375 Win and I think even the .307 Win which has the bulked up receiver. The Big Bore models have side eject making mounting optics easy. I guess my question is, Winchester came out with their .356, .375 and.307 with SE why couldn't they start loading this for the .348 Win? It is one nice cartridge with plenty of horsepower for moose and elk. It has more horsepower than the .356 and .375. And now both the .356 and .375 are history as is the .307 Win. I own a Big Bore 94 Dark Shadow chambered in .444 Marlin. I shoot the 265 grain Hornady Superformance with 3300 ft. lbs of muzzle energy. It's a real beast. Also, the Big Bore models are made for higher pressure loads than what Marlin can bear. The locking bar at the back of the bolt covers the entire bolt and is firmly placed in the receiver. The Marlin has a locking lug that fits into the bolt halfway.

[@Nello353]

@@Mark-uq9km Mark , I enjoyed reading your response, it sounded like me 30 years ago. I am 91 now and live in Florida. I was born and raised in Pa. And began hunting with my Dad at age 14 , my Dad bought me a Mossberg bolt action shotgun and I used it for small game and deer for three years .I got my first rabbit and deer with it. My Dad then bought mod71-348 and gave me his model94-30 30 and a rifleman was born. I dove into books about rifles and ballistics and was a Jack Oconner fan from age 7. The first rifle I bought on my own was a Rem model 721 in .270 Cal I paid 72$ for it I could have bought a Win model70 for 95$ but didn't have the extra 23$! To make a long story short in my 50s I realized Iwas getting old and hadn't done any of the hunts I dreamed about. I N the next12 years Iwent to Wyoming, Montana, Alaska, New Foundland , several times to British Collumbia. I have taken 2 Dall sheep 5 caribou an elk 4 moose ,a mountain goat and misc deer, everything I killed was with my own hand loaded ammo. I hope you don't think I, m bragging. It was just pure determination and lots of scriming and saving and looking around for bargain hunts .My Alaskan hunt cost me 5,000$ and I took a ram and a goat today that hunt would be 20,000$ , I guess I was born at the right time. Mark I apologize for running on ,when you get old you take advantage of your age. Best wishes to you and your family and I hope get a chance to hunt your dreams

[@Mark-uq9km]

@@Nello353Well, heck, I'm from PA as well and now living in Florida. I bought my first rifle in 1978 from K Mart in Rochester, PA, a 336 Marlin in .35 Remington. I killed my first deer with it in 1981 in Beaver County. I've hunted all over PA and even had a moose hunt in New Foundland and took a nice moose. You have had a lot more big hunts than I. For years I would take my nephew and Son-in-law down to the Eastern Shore in MD for some great waterfowl shoots. I have amassed a decent amount of weapons: two .30-06s, a .308 win in a model 7600 Rem which was known as the PA Automatic, a .375 H&H mag, a model 1895 Marlin in .45-70 and now my Win 94 big Bore in .444 Marlin. I'm grooming my grandsons to want to take some big hunting trips when they grow up. I know they'll have a nice arsenal to choose from but I"m not quite ready to have them inherit my weapons just yet. Living in Florida always gives us great opportunities to go hog hunting, too. I miss PA but I love living in Florida. I'm travelling up to Harrisburg next week to go to the PA farm show. Maybe I'll get to see some snow. Thank you for your response and Happy New Year.

[@mickeydoodle6014]

Please, please in the name of Elmer Keith, get with Kentucky ballistics. It would be a hilariously informative video.

[@rwLincoln]

In view of looking for an all around cartridge limited to .30-06 length ----take a look at the .338 Winchester Magnum ---with factory loads up to 300 grain to match the .375 H & H ---i made the case in my book that it actually outperforms the .375 H & H, given the greater sectional density of the narrower bullet ---which can deliver better penetration (with the right bullet structure of course) ---and is frequently used in Africa as a only need to carry one gun option ---my African friend was a tracker/gun bearer for a professional game guide and he came home with a cartridge for me to add to my collection

[@lh8372]

Great video!

[@garysnyder6020]

I'll go with Roy's 300 Weatherby Magnum. 130 grain to well over 200.

[@craigleibbrand7761]

I've been hutting with a 300 Weatherby for 40 years. It's a magnificent cartridge that packs a wallop on game.

[@CFurnace-72]

Also try a 340 weatherby Better terminal ballistics.

[@ryanehlis426]

I remember years ago being in a small sporting good store in ND, they had boxes of 458 win mag ammo, they had a customer who in fact used a 458 as his deer rifle. It would work just fine I suppose.

[@JeffreyCotle]

Hi Ron. As always , awsome video. Anything with Winchester name is good by me. Im proud to tell you. Im teaching my nephew right. He owns an m70 30-06. A m94 30-30 that i gave him at 8 years old. And he just bought himself a 1886 45-70. I absolutely love Winchester guns. And also Henry lever action. I myself have a m95 405. If i went to Africa ide use my 405.

[@JeffreyCotle]

How does the 458 work with hard cast gas checked bullets. They are deadly out of 45-70 or 44 mag. No expansion and very deep penetration. . My 405 win with 300 grn shoots through 12 inches of white oak boards at 100 yards. .sizes 412. 😊

[@JeffreyCotle]

Ron. Are you allowed to use open sights in Africa. 😊

[@MrGsteele]

What about sabots? By loading with, say, a .45 to .30 cal. diameter reduction sabot, you introduce the prospect of using all the .30 caliber bullets available, which is bewilderingly enormous - from 220 grain down to 60 grain .32 cal pistol bullets. If the objective is plinking with a .458 for fun in order to familiarize yourself with handling, bolt action smoothness and speed, safety location, trigger feel, etc. it's better to do it knocking over cans than while a rhino or grizzly is charging. At least it's one way to do it, cheaply, including sabot, bullet, and filler. In a straight-wall cartridge you can use a superthin overpowder wad half way down the case, and fill the rest of the case to the sabot's base with styrofoam pellets to keep the powder close to the primer, as has been done for ages. Sabots are light - 6 grains or so, and so is styrofoam - so the total payload weight doesn't really affect the ballistics measurably from that of a bare bullet. The other alternative is to use a powder engineered for reduced loads, like Accurate 5744 and Hodgdon Trail Boss. And if you are so determined, you can model the Remington Accelerator from years ago, and get a viable high-velocity round, as well; the accelerators in a .30-06 tossed a 55 grain bullet downrange at .220 Swift speed. Hey, if we're experimenting, might as well think outside the box - even if it does put little plastic nubbits in the grass. Doesn't wear the bore, that's for sure! Your thoughts? (particularly on the 1:14 twist of a .458)

[@robertdunbar5854]

I always found the 458 rifles to be cumbersome. Thats my only problem with it. Great cartridge to handload mild or wild for sure.

[@caileanmacanndraigh8580]

The 458 am in a ruger no 1 can be the 45 that can be loaded to duplicate most all the US 45 cal rifle cartridges. If you use the ruger no1. It’s a strong action. However if it’s just to much for the quarry I’m about to hunt then I use the king of versatility. The mighty the venerable the great. 30-06. After 118 years it’s still unmatched.

[@caileanmacanndraigh8580]

That’s 458 wm Not am

[@rwLincoln]

In Central Africa Republic, one of the most popular European rounds for dangerous game was the 10.75 mm

[@MrPh30]

In some asian countries also, especially after Kynoch stopped making ammunisjon , but FN.Rws and others made 10,75 . If only bullets were better for it . That took time until the Woodleigh and others came around with their bonded Weldcore .

[@hunterparrish277]

At this point I would argue the 460 weatherby would be more versified than the win mag. Only because the argument is the same for it as it is the win mag but it has the horsepower to push the very heavy or long bullets like the 600 grain woodleigh or 500 grain Barnes bullets. I mean starting loads are more powerful than the 458 Lott and easier shooting, in my experience. But to be fair it only holds a few rounds in a bolt gun and then it takes an experienced reloader to get power levels in line with a 45-70, unless you use the trail boss powder. But why do that. Cant kill something too dead and a 500 grain bullet at 2600 ish fps means I can put down any random Bigfoot or elephant I see roaming the woods.

[@bearbait2221]

Ya don't forget the towel for >>>>>when you shoot and the blood starts running down your eye from the scope bite. AKA crushed eye hole bone :0

[@Mj-CWO4]

Why does everyone compare high velocity cartridges of other calibers with the low velocity loads of a 45-70, there are some higher velocity 45-70’s that are well above the 2000fps range

[@johnelliott7375]

As long as you have a good grip and a stout shoulder you can use it for anything.

[@HobbitHomes263]

iwonder if the Barnes 45 caliber sabot would work? its made for black powder rifles but it might be intersting to see how much velocity you could get from a 195 grain bullet

[@tedtedsen269]

the 460wetherb is also a 45caliber same bullet as the 458 only biger cardrige

[@jimparker7778]

BONUS: And it fits in a standard length action

[@upholdthesecond92]

I picked up some Barnes 500gr TSX (not on your list). Going to make some potent loads for an upcoming wild boar hunt. Want to see if they’ll evacuate brain matter.

[@benniedzwiecki9232]

I shot a whitetail last season with a Barnes ttsx 450grn full load in my 458 and it did less damage than a 7mm rem

[@bearbait2221]

Ya no hydro-shock meat. Its funny because people think the .458wm is a meat destroyer its not, but > it is a bone wrecking thumper< I see moose run away with 7mm and 30-06 to the shoulder >>they no run after the .458 slaps. On Kodiak After seeing the 458 go to work, I now call it the 3 step gun>>>1 shot, 3 steps

[@johannesvanhoek9080]

Interesting video, I have a 458 Winchester mag built on an 03 Springfield receiver, but have never shot it ,,,,,,YET 😂

[@Spruce-Bug]

I just rebarreled my 300wm mauser to 458wm. Just waiting on express sights and cross bolts to arrive by mail.

[@buzzbomb67]

Glad to see someone else use the term “fudge factor” lol

[@stephenparchewski1998]

What about the .950 JDJ? You can use it for anything from squirrels to blue whales.

[@orr89rocz]

Must handload it but when you do, it’s fantastic. Its easy to load for and tons of bullets available. Certainly versatile for guys who want one gun for any game in short ranges. The 375’s are fantastic and even better at longer range but i like the bigger wider bullets for the big nastys

[@stevensimpson5462]

I've shot with the 458 Lott and the 450 Rigby (made by those Park West guys you have somewhere there) and that thing thumped quite a bit more than the 458 Lott for me but it was shot no.8 for the day. Maybe a video comparing the the different cartridges like 458 win mag to the unnecessary shoulder cannon 460 Weatherby. I still wouldn't mind the 458 Win mag just because you can't have enough "investments" in the safe.

[@itllkeal]

I believe that everyone needs to start with cap and ball before they move up to loading smokeless. Blackpowder is dangerous enough but modern powder is amazing. I've heard of people adding just a couple of grains of smokeless in their black powder and blowing up their guns. Mainly pistols

[@Dad_Stuff2004]

It seems overkill for almost everything before you can even finish saying the caliber. But with the data you presented, I think my eyes opened a bit.

[@RoyMiller-d8y]

Great information as always! I enjoy your channel. Have a Happy New year.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Happy new year!

[@Paladin1873]

At roughly $10 per round, I would not consider the 458 a versatile American game cartridge in practical terms.

[@HobbitHomes263]

the outfitter down the road from me said he was just about ready to limit clients to nothing but 45 70 or 356 or 30-30. To quote "All these d**n wanna be SpecOp snipers roll into camp with tripods and 40power scopes and computers and wanna blast away at 700 yards. I have never seen so many three legged elk in all my years"

[@greasydot]

I picked up a 458 win mag in a ruger one that only had 3 rounds shot out of it. When I sold it,,,,, it had 4 rounds shot out of it. 😂😂😂

[@CowboyHunterPodcast]

Guys lathe turn and wrap balls and bullets then wrap them for muzzleloaders to get things just right I imagine a guy found do something similar to get a .452 bullet to grip like a .458.

[@DonaldRussell-g9t]

Nosler has a 300 grain BALLISTIC TIP for a 458 .

[@robertlocke7711]

If you have one Ron you should try it off paper in the field or range rather.

[@bobhilly546312156332]

Seems perfect for squirrels and rabbits

[@philipfreeman72]

I see little reason to go past 416 Rem.

[@davidjohnson4451]

Call it OVERKILL!

[@warrenmintz5227]

That's awesome that it's the most versatile round. But why does it cost more than 50 BMG?

[@willsatozlife4359]

Ouch! The cost of the round is too much for someone on a budget. Thanks for the history lesson on it.

[@DavidHBurkart]

My guess is the reports of compressed cartridges pushing out the bullets had more to do with air between the powder and the projectile as well as proper seating of the bullet itself, but its only a handloader's guess on my part

[@bearbait2221]

I guy writes about his crappy handloading skills failing him 60 years ago while out poaching elephants and now every 1 sh!ts on the .458wm. Dumb gun magazines every drinks the kool-aid.

[@antonrehling1966]

It's not the cartage you choose to defend. It is the cartridge you choose that will accomplish the mission you have committed to.

[@tater357]

Wow...That 45-70 looks so tiny up there amongst those cartridges.

[@tim7052]

Yep!! The .45/70 is a great cartridge for North America, but not for African DG, I'm afraid. 👍

[@alahovi66]

Double ignition has nothing to do with too little fill rate. You may blow up your rifle if the charge do not lift the pressure high enough and the bullet gets stuck in the barrel. Then there is still some unignited gasses that may explode with violent speed. This is called the double ignition. The casing fill rate has nothing to do with it. There are subsonic loads with 20% fill rate that are reliable. These use fast pistol powders

[@juliahockendorf5910]

Hey Ron, sorry you investigation is typical American, only looking the American Market. I used a old winchester 70 long with the 500er faktoryloads and Open sights. Now i shoot a 350grain cooperbullet faktoryloadet from the small germanfaktory SAX and was so surpraised from the acorry in the old gun that i put a scop on it using now also for smaller Game. Greetings fromm Germany!

[@roddecker1900]

Ron inquiring minds want to know how to make and use paper patched bullets. Even if you have to import pTron from blk powder matches.😢

[@robertsebacher44]

Every man’s Big Bore is the 50 BMG. After that it is an RPG, but they are a little persnickety up close.

[@roddecker1900]

Brass 4 4570 is available now but not all was. 4062 / 4570 were fire formed from krag brass. 458 ? 375 brass vut down ? Guessing

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

I'm not positive what you're claiming here, Rod, but 45-70 Govt. was released in 1873 and the 30-40 Krag didn't come along until 1892 or 3. The 45-70 case is wider than the 30-40 Krag case, too. Your guess on the 458 Win Mag case is right. It is based on the 375 H&H necked up.

[@WillyK51]

OK. This is the Most popular Big Bore. But I would prefer a 416 Win Mag. For everything on earth

[@jwgbmp40]

Im gonna thumbs up ya only cause I been reading your work since a teenager.. lol