48. Mystery Babylon

[@devondeswardt6239]

Thank you for sharing this. You have answered many questions I have been wrestling with for years

[@aktrapper6126]

Well done Mr. Gore, I had never heard the true identity of Mystery Babylon after spending 20 years in the Dispensation theology camps. They always pushed the identity off on the Roman Church. It wasn't until I came out of her so to speak that I was able to on my own Identify Mystery Babylon as Jerusalem and I was shocked. When I saw you had this up I had to listen to it to see where you were on this. I was quite blessed to here this and I'm thankful for the old Orthodox understanding you bring. Thank you again for an excellent teaching. Listening from Alaska.

[@geocapistrano4364]

I feel like Neo in the Matrix movie when they say his head is going to explode because he can’t handle reality… I don’t understand how people will hold onto doctrines that go against the combination of Scripture and history. Thank you again for sharing your wealth of knowledge and explaining it in a manner that common folk like myself can understand 😊

[@lavieenrose5954]

Outstanding series Monsieur Bruce; you describe this wonderful book so beautifully - you bring it alive and I love how you tie it in with the Old Testament...... God bless you and your family, especially during these strange and unsettling times 🙏🏽

[@GoreBruce]

Merci!

[@Charles73358]

Amen brother enjoying your teaching I always love to learn new things within the word of God and I can discern what you teach as truth Amen 🙏!

[@stevehansel5080]

Thank you Bruce, you brought much clarity

[@anitapulekautaha6197]

, I haven’t been through your sermons I came straight here to see if it’s what’s been given to me and guess what YES ☺️ I too was given whom the harlot is and linked it up ….only through the Holy Spirit ☺️ , I will go through your sermons when I get the chance ….add more to knowledge and understanding….there’s so much to know and tell in so little time ☺️ I’m , blessings 💚🥰😇😄

[@theosolomon8319]

Excellent, so much like America Church. Only a few who are passionate and salt and light. You are saying the word for today. Thanks so very much. Praying for a Godly people who love Jesus and willing to walk with Him. Thanks , thanks again.

[@a.abhasker649]

Thank you prof. Bruce Gore for excellent teaching. Lord bless you.

[@kickpublishing]

These are excellent lectures

[@InTheGarden1960]

Have greatly missed your Revelation series. So very thankful you are back. Love what the Holy Spirit reveals through your teachings. Be Blessed

[@mickeyanderson2540]

Well Done ! A message for our time. You are a blessed teacher. Glory to the God of the most high.

[@rickintexas1584]

Thank you for continuing this wonderful series. Your teachings are a true blessing to all who hear it.

[@GoreBruce]

Thanks Rick, that means a lot to me. Take care!

[@howardking3601]

Dr. Gore continues to impress. Thank you for your labor in the Lord!

[@ibgib]

Thanks Bruce 👏👏

[@rachelaraya3394]

The only complaint I have regarding these lectures is when they sadly come to an end and we have to wait for the next one...

[@KaoXoni]

Yes, I'm so lucky for finding the whole series as late as in 2023, all ready and neatly lined up to be devoured within just a couple of weeks...

[@janeh5949]

Open God‘s word and you can read and study it for yourself with the help of the Holy Spirit. You don’t have to wait for someone else’s next teaching lesson. The Holy Spirit teaches us. He is the author and interpreter of all scripture. The spirit is the author interpreter of all scripture. 2Timothy 3:16

[@crystalclear2260]

I found this video enthralling. You’ve confirmed what I was beginning to suspect about Babylon. Thank you for your excellent presentation.

[@father-sonflightsimulator3838]

We love your Bible studies! Why can’t all Sunday schools be like this! Well done! And as you described the Harlot city, it sounded so much like Washington DC today doesn’t it??? Just uncanny the resemblance.

[@GoreBruce]

Ain’t it the truth.

[@careylou]

There is nothing new, under the sun...

[@benlund5162]

I'm thankful to have stumbled upon Mr. Gore's video series. There are many who discuss Biblical material. But most don't take the time to include dates and historical reference points. Without the benefit of some chronology, the old testament can quickly become a name soup.

[@bible4family]

Thank you, brother. Just ordered your Greek lessons as well. You’ve been a tremendous help to my ministry.

[@GoreBruce]

I am delighted! Thank you!

[@J-PLeigh8409]

Thank you Mr. Gore for bringing this together, & showing how scriptural this view is. The Old Test sheds light on eschatology. I personally dont know how one could hear this & not understand. I would love to explain or show these teachings to my church, as I go for worship & fellowship but eschatology are worlds apart, the partial preterist view seeming to be exegetically correct, hence I appreciate the blessing of your teachings. May our great God, Lord of all, Savior & King Jesus Christ bless you, & all the brethren

[@brianfelczak7235]

Anxious anticipation to see Rev 20....such a pivotal passage for many of us.

[@GoreBruce]

Stay tuned. We're getting there!

[@angelakatsapas7894]

Ah welcome back. I have been waiting for this.

[@williambrewer]

Good job friend! I don't know why I didn't see it myself.

[@arttyree4504]

Glad to see Revelation lectures without the dispensationalist filter.

[@wattsizname]

Good to hear such sound teaching... with a sobering and timely word. May I add Revelation 17 -18 was summed up by Jesus indictment of Jerusalem in Matthew 23:32-38; a judgement that has occurred and will not be repeated. Thanks for all your teaching Bruce. Peace and blessing to you my brother from Olde England

[@DW_Kiwi]

Watch. Maybe the Mystery Babylon is not a Jerusalem after all

[@anitapulekautaha6197]

@@DW_Kiwi Ezekiel 16 is spot on about who the harlot is ☺️

[@thecrew1871]

Sir, I am really enjoying your teaching about the Bible and the story it tells. Your classes on the history of the church and a study of what’s going on in the world during biblical times are my favorites so far. I just finished the class on the life of David which really brought to life the words of the Bible for me. You have a gift for telling a story such that I can understand the Bible so much better. I am really enjoying learning from you. I am very interested in learning more about the life of Moses and also, the women of the Bible and their part in Gods plan. Might you be interested in doing a class on these subjects? Thankyou for the hard work you put into these classes.

[@captainkolding]

Aleister Crowley, the occultist, loved this part of revelation. He saw himself as the Beast that Babylon was riding on and Babylon was what ever woman he was with at the time (he had many). - I am glad I saw this video of the always great teacher Bruce Gore. I thought hitherto that Babylon in revelation referred to the Roman empire. Now it suddenly seems obvious that Babylon actually is Jerusalem. I will read revelation with new eyes in the future. Thanks!

[@trfatman]

I was surprised to find that Post Mil Greg Bahnsen drew a line between Rev. 4-12 and Rev. 13-19. He believed the first half prophesied the judgement of Old Jerusalem, and the second half the judgement of Rome. Do you know if he ever changed his view? Is there still a divide in the Post Mil camp where some see the Harlot as Jerusalem and some see the Harlot as Rome?

[@GoreBruce]

The second half of Revelation does include language pointing to a judgment of Rome (e.g., poured out his vial on the throne of the beast, ch. 16), but there is no warrant in my opinion for viewing the harlot city as any other than Jerusalem. I believe that is the view of the bulk of partial preterist interpreters of Revelation.

[@phabman7]

Dear professor Bruce, welcome back! Have you planned to take on Isaiah? I truly enjoyed your series about the Minor Prophets. It will be great to watch Isaiah. Thanks and may the Lord keep you healthy and working.

[@GoreBruce]

No immediate plans to do Isaiah, but I did an audio series to a small group of businessmen in Spokane some years back. Those presentations are available at my website: www.brucegore.com.

[@JohnJohn-mz4os]

How do I contact you

[@GoreBruce]

You are welcome to reach me at [e-mail]. Thanks!

[@TK-qu1ht]

Amen, and Amen!!

[@joshnelson3344]

I’m 100% in agreement with what you said around the 30:00 mark about the church just “trying to get along” and going with the flow of culture rather than standing for the word of God. But I just have to ask for some clarification…I notice you are in the PCUSA which ordains women pastors and approves of same-sex marriage…would you consider this an example of the church just going with the flow of culture? Or do you see nothing wrong with that?

[@GoreBruce]

You can find my treatment of your question in this lecture. Thanks for your interest. 73.181.166.106/Audio/PaulsLetters73.mp3

[@joshnelson3344]

Thanks for sharing this, I just finished listening to it. So would this be the same argument you use to support same-sex marriage? That it was something that was forbidden at that time, but it is now acceptable? Or is this an area where you disagree with the PCUSA?

[@GoreBruce]

@@joshnelson3344 I do not support 'same sex' marriage, nor does the PCUSA church I attend. The General Assembly of the PCUSA speaks only for itself, not for the individual churches, and the churches are free to reject standards they view as contrary to scripture, which is certainly the case with respect to same-sex marriage, or homosexual behavior in general.

[@joshnelson3344]

@@GoreBruce oh gotcha, thanks for the clarification! Really enjoying your study through revelation right now :)

[@samsolon1]

Much appreciation to professor Bruce Gore and collaborators. Hallelujah ❤️

[@careylou]

Greetings Bruce - Your statement during Sunday School: when the Church awaits State permission or affirmation to conduct worship, she moves in the direction of spiritual immortality and infidelity. I concur. Did your church stop in person worship and Sunday school for covid? I see that you are still teaching from home. What are your thoughts? Thanks

[@GoreBruce]

I was one of three dissenting votes on our twelve person elders board who voted against ending in- person worship.

[@careylou]

@GoreBruce I was very disturbed when churches submitted to this unconstitutional mandate. My elders (PCA) chose to comply, and I located another church, non-denominational, that remained open to attend for in-person worship.

[@johncos1068]

You said this chapter holds some key and that it makes clear that this must have taken place under the reign of Nero? Can you please explain how that is? I listened to 10 different people give their interpretations of what this chapter means and they were all completely different.

[@jm1733]

Your comment itself should explain to you why christianity and it's innumerable divided denominations and sects represent Babylon. The very word Babylon in the scriptures represents confusion or to be confounded. All of Christianity is Babylon as the people are heaping teachers on themselves according to their lust for the doctrines of MEN. When we truly receive Christ IN us, the anointed one, we come out from among them and are separate. This happens at the time appointed by the Father as He receives us and is a Father to us and we become His sons and daughters. This new covenant is without a physical temple or a man as a mediator between God and His elect. The only mediator is the man Christ Jesus and that man is WITHIN us. We are espoused to one husband, Christ. Once we hear the voice of the Son of God and are raised from the dead, we no longer trust in a man to teach us and only rely on the Spirit of Truth, the Spirit of Christ to teach us and open our minds to understand the scriptures. When we were under the curse and trusting in man, we were alienated from the life of God. All of Christianity is still under the curse, placing their trust in theologians and the wisdom of men. As it is written, cursed be the man who trusts in man and makes flesh his arm and whose heart is departed from the Lord. Once we hear His voice we come out of every denomination and sect of christianity and we only trust the voice of the Good Shepherd. His sheep hear His voice and a stranger they will flee from. All who are in the harlot houses of Babylon are laboring in a house of a stranger. That is all vanity.

[@larrymcclain8874]

He explains it. The Roman kings/ Caesars ("We have no king but Caesar")- five have fallen, one is. Julius, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, and Claudius are the five who have passed. The sixth, then, is Nero. It's very straightforward unless you overthink it.

[@Xenotypic]

Awesome! Love your videos Bruce, especially the Church history series. I just got a canvas print of a painting of Ambrose, had never heard of him before you. It's a painting where Ambrose is refusing to let the Emperor into the church. Thanks for all you do!

[@GoreBruce]

Thank you!

[@rstora01]

Bruce Gore obviously takes the Preterist view on Revelation using the events of 70 AD as fulfilment. I believe there is truth in that belief. However, it does not go far enough because the enemies of God, Christ and believers have not yet been completely put down (reference psa 110:1, Mat 22:44, Mk 12:46, Lk 20:33, Acts 2:35, Heb 1:13, Heb 10:13) with the last enemy to be put down, death (1 Cor 15:26). So, to interpret Revelation as strictly past (Preterist) or strictly future (Dispensational) falls short and incomplete. Remember: ALL scripture is given by God and is profitable for ALL believers in ALL times. (2 Tim 3:16)

[@GoreBruce]

Thanks for the feedback. I do take a so-called preterist view of most of Revelation, but I am not a 'full preterist,' or as I call it, a 'radical preterist.' If you are interested, I treat this question in some detail at lecture #56 of this series.

[@rstora01]

@@GoreBruce Thanks for the reply Bruce I will check out #56

[@antifakexpose5864]

I put myself in the Eclectic camp, treating all 4 views as having Merit. This presentation by Bruce is fantastic and is compulsory viewing for all.

[@robertcain3426]

I understand the reference to the many waters, Rev 17:15, where the harlot sits, 'peoples, nations, tribes and languages', to mean the beast itself. As the harlot, Babylon, is seated on the beast - the waters which John saw. Which is why Rev 13:1 is set on the shore of the sea/many waters from where the beast, the Gentile nations as listed in daniel 7, rises from. The iteration of the beast at that time in history was Rome, though the beast, itself, was a compilation of the complete lineage of Gentile kingdoms, beginning with Babylon, the head of gold and the Lion. The problem for me, in taking the full Preterist view, is that Rome, in 70 AD had not yet divided into the two legs of the Eastern and Western empires. And, chronologically speaking, the feet and ten toes/horns follow after this division in the 4th Century, at an even later time. Consider, also, Rev 17:8 concerning the 'little horn/king/kingdom', which grows up after and among the ten horns, displacing three to subsequently become an eighth kingdom, is the kingdom which 'once was, now is not (at John's time) but would come again (be resurrected)'. It is/was a resurrected kingdom because it was assigned the number eight which is the number for 'resurrection'. It was an 'eighth king which belonged to the seven', the seven other kingdoms which made up the chronological order of the beast through history. It is also referenced as the kingdom 'which was mortally wounded (killed) by the sword (the Word of God) but yet lived (was resurrected). These are all references, I believe, to the unity of man/mankind which was Babel/Bavel/Babylon. When God went down and mirtally wounded mankind's attempt at unity in rebellion (apostasia) to God, by dispersing them over the face of the earth. Cheers

[@Disciple888]

Great teacher! The Mystery Babylon is related to the Babylonian captivity where the Jewish priestly class intermarried with the Babylonians as well as studied the mysteries of the Babylonian religion. The writings of Moses were reinterpreted in Babylon to reflect the eastern form of religion that Talmudism became and is today. These were the wise that were rebuffed by Jesus. These were the builders who rejected the corner stone. These were of the synagogue of Satan who were of Idumaen descent and not children of the promise but were Edomites. They confessed to never being in bondage to any man and yet sons of Abraham. Only Edomites fit that bill. The Herods had filled the priesthood with these same people. Herod was of the same bloodline. This cannot be minimized as was done here by the good teacher.

[@Jimmy-r1f]

The Jews have Pride parades in Tel Aviv all the time. Like in the days Moses went up the mountain. And it sits on the Sea.

[@SimunAKlein]

There is no chance that this harlot city can be Jerusalem. "For in one hour is she made desolate. ..... And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, >>and shall be found no more at all.

[@GoreBruce]

Thanks for that. He rules from New Jerusalem.

[@SimunAKlein]

@@GoreBruce The New Jerusalem will first be at the end of the millennium. The destroy of The big city will be in the wrath of God, in the end of the 7th week of Daniel. When Jesus put His feet on the Mountain of Olive, then that is not for destroying Jerusalem, but to rule the world from Jerusalem for 1000 years.

[@michele3880]

Listen from the beginning of the series, it will make wonderful sense.

[@jasonmathey9639]

@@SimunAKlein great work, I agree with you...dissected like a lawyer... :)

[@jasonmathey9639]

Check out lordsguidance on youtube hes a false prophet too mate

[@hosannayeshua4446]

Just want to point out the mystery babylon is not the old jerusalem, but the new one that is there when the final beast kingdom rises to power together with the 10 kings. The little horn that plucks 3 others in its wake will destroy the harlot with the beast and the false prophet. The final beast and false prophet arises at the same time, and mystery babylon will be there riding the beast at the beginning stages.

[@KaoXoni]

I wish I could bookmark your comments to get back to in a few days when I will have finished this series. (Have you watched the whole thing? Or at least the first 20% of the playlist, to understand the presuppositions behind your interpretation and where that school of thought originated?) I think I have an idea where you are coming from and what you might be getting at here, because that's all that I, too, thought Revelation was about. Until I stumbled on a lecture about Dispensationalism in this Channel, then checked out summary about the Millerites & Co. and proceeded to watching "Apocalypse in Space and Time" from cover to cover. It's been worth it, so far. Only 8 more episodes to go. The little horn is part of the series, coming up still, but already available to skip right on. I will proceeded in order, I am pretty confident it will work out just as well as the previous 18 chapters, still curious about the plain and simple HOW, apart from the 19th century conjecture I grew up to take for granted.

[@larrymcclain8874]

Sorry, but it has already happened nearly 2K years ago.

[@jowiseman740]

You are forgetting one thing and that is satan's little season after the 1000 year reign of Christ. It is during this time that you will see history repeat itself. Jerusalem and the beast working together, but on a truly global scale. Revelation seems to have a duality of meaning. It is predominantly describing the original alliance between the harlot and beast being destroyed in AD70. Jesus made it absolutely clear to his disciples that his return would follow that and his people would be called up to meet him in the air and reign with him for 1000 years. Following this, satan is loosed again and history will repeat itself. This is exactly what has happened. In today's world the beast and harlot have aligned themselves again and created their own "New Jerusalem" and they control the world. It will fall again.

[@genocarlisle2302]

The great Harlot of Revelation 17&18 is none other than America the Great. Mystery Babylon; the Daughter of Babylon.. The final kingdom that Daniel saw and Jeremiah described as the hammer of the whole earth. The book of Revelations is speaking of events of the end.

[@MyChihuahua]

The end of the AGE - the 2nd Temple age.

[@sirrogerbannister9282]

No other country in the world in history since the original Babylon, has more Babylonian characteristics than our great USA!

[@robertcain3426]

Since Revelation is written in symbolic language where a beast is not a literal beast, a woman is not a literal woman, a star is not literal star, there is no way a 'city' is a literal city. Neither can it be Rome, as some say, or Jerusalem. It is, however, an entity which claims a relationship with God. Rev 17:18, 'The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.' In what way was Jerusalem ruling over the kings if the earth? And the little horn, the eleventh horn, which came up among the ten horns, displacing three, thereby becoming 'an eigth horn' (the number eight symbolizing resurrection, resurrecting mankind's attempt as at Babel/Babylon). And the king/kingdom 'that once was (at Babel), now is not (at John's time of writing), but would come again' (in the last days). It, Babel, was also the 'beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived' when God went down and dispersed mankind's attempt to unify as one world governing himself in rebellion to God. Imn line with this view, the mystery, Babylon, is Christendom, the false church which usurped the beast's rule, to rule along with the kings of the earth, until she is taken out of the way and the beast takes back its ruling authority, as history of the few hundred years have shown. The true church is the body of Christ, the body of believers.

[@larrymcclain8874]

The Jewish Diaspora extended well beyond the Roman Empire.

[@mikewalsh1402]

Mystery Babylon is a city that lies in the wilderness (desert). There is only one city that fits this criteria, and it is Mecca!

[@nickfedor210]

I feel like Christianity has failed. It has failed everywhere it has been tried.

[@MyChihuahua]

Because it is false after devolving and succumbing to 'another gospel' and an antichrist spirit.

[@rodicacretu1030]

My version of the Apocalypse and the end of God. "God started to lose his agility to move as he have done some thousands of years before. His soles were burning, reason for which He could not wander anymore through the Milky Way, He could not visit the Venusian of the Venus planet or inspect Mars. He ordered different kinds of footwear from the most prominent designers; He tried sandals, boots, moccasins, sabots, loafers, oxfords, espadrilles, monk shoes. None of these pairs would provide a minimum of comfort to His legs. His soles were burning so He could no more roam freely through the Cosmos. He ask a cosmetologist to scrape the excess of skin from His soles, He ask a dermatologist to prescribe an ointment based on the complex vitamin B, but with no results. An old man, a cane in his hand, approached Him, I think he was the great- great-great ... son of Moises, and told Him : “I think your soles are burning from the green house effect that your creatures, the heirs of Adam, are producing and which will destroy the planet and themselves.”' God looked at him in despise, mainly because he shepherded a flock of some sheep and not of goats, and snatching the cane from his hand, God hit the boy's head which became a bush in flame and split the atom. As a consequence of this act the boy thought he himself was God. This was the precise moment when the demiurge realized He had mistaken one more time. He had to do something to remedy the human race and save the planet. The idea on which He based his new strategy was to bring back all this humanity to Eden, to the Paradise Gardens. The problem was the space was not sufficient. Not all of them could fit into Paradise. Some time ago He heard about a named Einstein, that could solve the problem, and which brains were kept into a boll in His cave, among jars of pickles. But, he found nothing there. He went to the Library of the Academic establishment and asked for books in order to study Himself the theory of the expansion, that God confused with the theory of the dilatation. Unfortunately the theory dealt with the expansion of time and not of space. He decided that He will research the phenomenon of dilatation using as parameters the abdomen of human kind. The truth is, that by resolving this problem, He would find a solution to other difficulties such as : gaining space for those dwelling in the Gardens of Eden, so their abdomens will not rub one against the other anymore ; gaining space by reducing the land assigned to the culture of cereals, fruit, vegetables and animal nutrients supposed to nourish Pantagruelique abdomens ; and last but not least, the quantity of gas produced by these abdomens would diminish, which implicitly would reduce the green house effect. I wonder about the smell of such a house? Fetid! In the advancement of the project, the first steps were fatal. Among the human kind there was a layer of individuals which did nor want to abandon the abdomen. Some said they needed the abdomen to open the way for them, some others said they use it as desk, others argued that the abdomen was a barrier in seeing they own private parts of their bodies, and other said that their abdomen spear them the money needed to buy a percussion instrument. There were also those that claimed that they will not renounce to their abdomens because waking up facing the pillow they could roll on their bellies to get out of bed. God felt outraged in his authority of “I am what I am” and pointed to the sol, not the note in the musical game but to the earth, and ordered the team of cosmeticians to start an epidemic fight and get rid of the abdomen people. I do not know if you are familiar with the etymology of the word cosmetics. I believe it come from Cosmos and means to clean the galaxies. What else could it be? Although a third of the planet population disappeared in the epidemics, an important percentage of people was left. They were the mediocre onece, those that did not add anything to progress, that did not invent something, did not create something, in a word, they eat without increasing the human intelligence. Those were the most difficult to be introduced into the Eden because they were calculated, stupid, confused, disoriented, greedy, hypocrites, layers, snobs, authoritarians, perverts and convinced they could lead the world. Their abdomens did not swelled because they went regularly to the gym yet they could not pass through the eye of the needle. They were on the point to escape the vigilance of God's eye, hiring the slender and thin, the most hungry and most thirsty camel which was supposed to help them enter the Garden of Paradise. Some camels refused this task, others no, and the later were rewarded with many bottles of spring water. God decided to use a trick on them and projected them on Mars, planet that He just inspected and had all the conditions, natural, industrial, social, for a nuclear war. The human kind found out about this conflagration when parts of human bodies, heads, hands, legs and buttocks started to fall on Earth that smelled as spring in the month of Mars. With the remaining population, meaning the chosen ones, God decided to revitalized the agriculture . He invited all into the Garden and after they had been dressed in some leafs, had some apples for food and were showed the premises, they were gathered for a brainstorming conference. The faith of God dictated that He did not have any clue about the new technologies in the domain of artificial intelligence, of the fact that semi-demiurge were able, helping themselves by some arrows, to implant into His head some Nano-chips used to anticipate thoughts, thoughts that were displayed on a screen and later read by the chosen inhabitants of the Paradise. Epilogue : God was put into a nursing home, where He was fed every day with a spoon of tea of ember coming from the inflamed bush, in the hope He will get better. But His voice trembled , His legs collapsed, His soles, once resistant to radiations, were burning, and His hand, His elegant hand pointing to Adam, became stumpy, His nails hardened and full of streaks, soiled by dust and mud as the hands of any peasant. The craft of cosmetology disappeared by lack of clientele. It is true many of the cosmetologists were killed on Mars during the brotherhood war and their utensils, the scissors, the file and the tweezers were lost. So nobody was left to take care of Cosmos and so of God. Recently, I heard news about a youngster who entered God's cave and stole Einstein's brain. He plans to implant it into his head. Hopefully we'll have a theory about the expansion of space which will generate the necessity of abdominal abdomens race that will populte the Garden."

[@mondayschool]

Someone needs some word salad surgery