[4K] Project Cars 2: PS4/ PS4 Pro/ Xbox One Frame-Rate Test + Resolution Analysis!

UPDATE: A clip at 04:47-05:12 shows an incorrect frame-rate graph. The correct frame-rate for this section is as the counter indicates: between 58-59fps. Apologies for the error.
Dave has everything you need to know about Project Cars 2 image quality and performance across all three relevant consoles. And yes, PS4 Pro may not offer native 4K, but it's the smoothest performer of the bunch.
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[@paskowitz]

Somebody take away this guy's drivers license.

[@james-ch]

paskowitz *driving licence

[@PauliesWalnuts]

Subi_fan They did. PCars2 was the result. :)

[@Kirby-Krios]

WICHARD is not a good driver I suppose ^_^

[@KofiPlays]

Is this Project Cars 2 or Bumper Cars 2 lol

[@jebcounty6838]

PRESS START KOFI that's how iv been playing forza since 2005 and all racing games lol thanks burnout and GTA for my driving lol

[@KindOldRaven]

LMAO I was just about to type that. GG!

[@1lionflex1]

PRESS START KOFI That was the first thing I thought......who the heck is playing bumper cars 2?

[@voodoo9077]

1360p on PS4 PRO

[@Boricua4ever23]

PRESS START KOFI Did you see after the car bumped in to another car and keep going like it nothing

[@MauricioPlaza]

That Driving was painfull to watch, turning off the damage of the cars...

[@CabbageBloke]

Looks like Stevie Wonder is driving the cars

[@mihirchitnis905]

You guys need to improve your driving.

[@chaparrogabriel224]

they're just searching for frame drops

[@Icureditwithmybrain]

Does their driving affect the framerate?

[@RiasatSalminSami]

Save Net Neutrality Yeah, bumping on other cars triggers damage and other effects like sparks thus causng performance hit.

[@DevinMoney]

Digital Foundry is just Digital Driving dude.

[@Buzz_1991]

To be fair Slightly MAD Studios' controller controls was always bad. NFS Shift 2 really really bad, Project Cars bad and I don't think it's better in PC2. Games like GT, FORZA, F1 do it way better.

[@kraithaywire]

That's some horrendous driving.

[@LouSassol69er]

Krait Haywire try watching IGN if you think this is awful.

[@solidust573]

yeh it's pretty rough

[@UltraCasualPenguin]

This is how I play. Of course it gets even better when I'm drunk.

[@retropolis1]

Digital Foundry, Excellent in tech analysis, abysmal in driving

[@brightbluesmurf]

Drunk driving is not good

[@mondzi]

I noticed there are different update-rates of reflections (and back mirror) between the versions, is all this considered when making your framerate comparison? What about texture filtering and that horribly aggressive LOD on car models?

[@willpizii8947]

KZbin murdered this with compression

[@bingbong421]

Eyes Rhea the game look ugly deal with it

[@Mrgranturismo4ever]

Bing Bong you don't know anything, do you?

[@mojpes]

Eyes Rhea i

[@seanclarke4061]

Do we have to patreon or something to get 4k from digital foundry? I have a Vizio p series and it always says their "4K" videos are displaying in 1080p. Not sure if I'm doing something wrong or? Thanks

[@technologyanimals]

Is the resolution in windows set to 4k? Afaik youtube cannot change your screen resolution, so the TV should always show the current windows screen resolution (which should be 4k).

[@johnhargreaves9714]

Helpful comparison, thanks for putting this together. I'd suggest your driver might use his brakes a bit earlier, but I guess testing the collision physics is part of the stress test.

[@blooddiamond187]

Really enjoying the PlayStation focused content, DF. Keep it up.

[@JoeHyper200]

The driver is the worst guy

[@paulolameiras861]

The game looks and performs pretty well, and it's good to see more driving games with 32 cars on screen. Great job.

[@dungbeetlemovies]

Thank you. Lots of useful information here.

[@jamescole3143]

Thank you for your work :)

[@4horsemenoftheapocalypse58]

Project Cars: The game funded by WiiU gamers' tears.

[@BigPhi84]

I see that the driver in this video follows the "Real Racing 3" school of approaching the first turn at full speed and knocking out as many CPU cars as possible! 😂😂😂

[@roadrunnerplaying]

How does the room temperature affect the consoles' performance? When it's hot we can hear the vents going crazy, but does it make us lose some fps?

[@brunnen153]

Marvelous driving skills right there :P Looks like a great game though, thanks for the analysis.

[@stewardappiagyei6982]

Oh gosh Slightly Mad, what happened to 60fps or death? PR hypemachine nonsense?

[@ThreeDaysOfDan]

For a game claiming to have realistic physics , the cars sure don't move like real cars visually . It looks like the suspension is made of fucking jello . Cars don't wobble when they shift weight as they have dampers . Cars that wobble like that have their coils and springs shot .

[@wordsshackles441]

Yep, my thoughts precisely. I was thinking to myself : 'Where is the damping, the cars spring up and down like jelly'. Looks stupid.

[@2ndLastJedi]

Are you going to look at the PC version of PC2? It would be good to hear your opinion on the AA settings!

[@trikuxabi]

What does the graph underneath the frame-rate line mean? The blue and red bars.

[@0Black0Moon0]

Stop the war. Silent moment for DF efforts

[@jimmenychristmas7208]

Agreed. I feel like the great content they make is often overlooked in the comments because of these console flame wars

[@trickyrat483]

Remove the blindfold before driving. :)

[@KvnOrdnz]

Hope you guys go over some VR stuff when you do the PC analysis/graphics comparison!

[@nathandubuc9962]

Great video ! Though the game still looks quite bad to me, alpha effectslook very low resolution, and the overall presentation has nothing to impress. Are you planning on making a video for NBA 2K18 on Switch ?

[@or2kr]

That moment when Monaco looks as bad as Monaco on GT6, but GT6 had better background textures...

[@Sabzilatv]

OMG the driving is seriously painful to watch .. was it done as a joke?

[@mrratchet]

What's up with the car mirror? It seems like it's running at 15fps compared to the unlocked fps of project cars? I'm looking at the Xbox version. It looks like it was supposed to be 30fps but it drops with the rest of the fps when the engine is strained. Can anyone confirm?

[@phoenixtiger101tube]

why bumper cam test have not been done on PS4 pro/vanilla?

[@dibils]

can you do a PS4 Pro analysis on WRC7?? cause sony loves not letting its customers know what improvements there are (if any)

[@chh323]

Dibils YS when they do videos like this I turn on my 4k HDR tv t.v. And I see the upgrades because even if Sony doesn't announce differences they are clear to see

[@luisramirez-or5vg]

*The only reason I'm subbed to this channel is to see the comments of every video*

[@rasundesilva6088]

Luis Ramirez The fanboys aren’t here yet

[@luisramirez-or5vg]

otherZinc the only way you'll see a massive difference is on a 50-60 inch 4k television, because a good amount of people watch these videos on a 720p smartphone

[@erin_aivallone]

I grab my popcorn and usually come back after an hour, watching the madness unfold

[@theindiediary5950]

Something something.......ps4 pro sucks Something something.......Xbox one X is the best Something something.......Pc master race Well, did I cover most of the comments? :0

[@mariosmatzakanis]

if you play on a 1080p screen with the pro does the game supersample from1440p or is it just native 1080p for rock solid60fps?

[@mariosmatzakanis]

if it stays at 60fpsfor 99% ofthetime then i dont really care...Does anyone know if the game supports supersampling cause i game at 1080p and the extra clarity is wellcome

[@djlbergg]

Are you guys driving with the handbrake on all the time or is the game just slow sluggish and painful to play like it is to watch?

[@crizko_]

what an unfluent driving controll. the replay looks more like a arcade racer than a real simulation

[@1337ghomri]

Worst driving skills I have ever seen...

[@Ccodebits]

What would be the point of 60fps during replay? Even PC games do 30fps during cut scenes and replay.

[@ClamBuster4]

so this game is only 60fps on the starting grid before the lights go out in clean weather??? yeah, ok...

[@ojdee]

Perhaps piling into every pack of cars goes some way to stress the engine for testing, but seriously, this is painful to watch

[@lliscn1701]

I love DF❤

[@AnalogFoundry]

Me too

[@240pgames4]

LLISCN I hate the comment section

[@mbsfaridi]

David says that there's stuttering but how could there be since it is using a adaptive v-sync solution then you wouldn't see pauses on the screen.

[@alucart1984]

You didn't mention that the frame rate of the rear view mirror appears to be in line with the frame rate of the main camera on the PS4/PS4 Pro but on the Xbox One it appears to be just 30 fps or less. Other than that excellent video.

[@bobriquardo5317]

good catch

[@RockNRollRoadie47]

Looks like it's still Janky as all hell with a game pad so another skip until I get a wheel

[@Peightun]

Alright, with this gameplay youve convinced me to buy gt so i can avoid people like this lolol

[@Koen1702]

Is the framerate on ps4 fixed now?

[@RiasatSalminSami]

Will PC2 have dynamic resolution on PC?

[@mcrazza]

Matrix>Real Life>PC

[@Tobias_R]

"Hey guys Dave here" unsubscribed

[@christiaanf503]

snek 😆

[@skydragonslashu]

lol somebody forgot to turn the audio down in one of the game clips

[@TurboPikachu]

Can we get a Project CARS 2 PC comparison between RX 480, GTX 1060, Vega 64 LC, and GTX 1080?

[@Rentta]

Car suspension and handling looks awful based on video. Looks like cars have really soft springs.

[@AvianHearts]

Jesus Christ I hope you guys use Uber or Lyft

[@novcze]

so, does PS4 Pro render the game at 1080p when connected to FullHD TV? ... there is some remark in the video but you didn't state it directly

[@kraenk12]

novcze of course.

[@novcze]

cool, I would also like to see performance comparison between 4k and 1080p output.

[@johnnyx5624]

DF, can you test XCOM 2: War of the Chosen for PS4 (Pro) and XBox One?

[@raymiecall]

Remind me to never play online with you.

[@JamieRobert_]

This game looks awful when zoomed in

[@antoniorsoftware]

Even in 2017 the viewers on the tracks are basically still static billboards, just in 3D.

[@dntcpymyncknms]

the guy driving is the type of guy that thinks the nsx was a Ferrari because it was red and looked fast

[@rodrigogooo]

my granpa drives better than you guys, xd, nice review.

[@howeedong6455]

Can't wait for n64 release 240p 5 FPS 8bit with my rumble pack ! Can't wait!!!

[@bronvon89]

Same ! My tube TV is ready

[@mikejones7875]

Ho wee Dong lmao !

[@frankderossi795]

Ho wee Dong party like 99!

[@ashleyming9781]

Frankie de Rossi lol

[@notsassythesasquatch9198]

Make sure to blow into your cartridge if it don't work...that will make it work

[@terminater996]

i have the game on xbox one and i dont ever get these issues apart from sometimes and during online but thats data connection thats set to high and you ever thought its the game that needs a patch and its not just the machines?

[@seagramrip187]

Nice vid

[@turbotrup96]

The environment's textures are ps2 level..

[@snc237]

That’s what I noticed as well

[@batmangovno]

*video starts with car slamming into opponents* Yup, they didn't fix the handling. *leaves*

[@daweitao2668]

That makes no sense whatsoever. The driver in this video is genuinely terrible so that equals the handling is bad?

[@THEK1NGSCLAN]

*Comes back to comment*

[@wallpaper4237]

@Dawei Tao I mean if you played Pcars 1 with a controller you'd know it was completely undriveable. So with that in mind it makes sense.

[@daweitao2668]

IF it was a good driver I could agree that you could draw some conclusions from it...but in this case there isn't that bar to measure against. (didn't try pcars with a controller and I trust people when they say it wasn't great, but I would still need a lot more than this video to know what it was like in pcars2. I mean, outside of a 5 year old I've never seen someone drive this bad :p)

[@atl3652002]

Physics kinda suck for how that guy was slamming more should've happened to both cars. Wish cars was like Forza with choosing opponents. If you have people driving like this guy they'll find 10 of the dirtiest drivers and put you against them until you learn to drive.

[@eSKAone-]

Thank you!

[@darthv72]

Is car damage not a feature in this game??? I seen so many bumps and scrapes and no effect on the car models to speak of.

[@v4tv]

Excited to see how it will run on Xbox One X. This is a great game to stress test console hardware.

[@imember4100]

I expect somewhere around 1800p 60, with some different graphics settings.

[@teehundeart]

I member i'm pretty sure it will be 60fps with 1440p or higher resolution

[@Jason-ut3ou]

teehundeart 1440? Lol the X isn't the PS4 pro forza 7 looks much better and runs native 4k 60fps

[@teehundeart]

jason freeman i'm not sure about 4k. The one x is somewhere around 40% more powerful than the PS4 Pro. So tell me how they are gonna achieve twice the resolution at stable 60fps? Edit: Forza 7 looks to be 4k though

[@BIGNOIDS]

xGeoThumbs Slightly better than the Pro, but slightly worse than a PC. There, I answered it for you.

[@Metroid24abd]

ps1 graphics ?

I tried to play this , it took me 2 laps to delete it from my XboxOne . The camera is so unconfortable for me ,and audio was really poor.

[@dmg799]

I think the frame rate graph doesnt match the frame rate number for the ps4 pro segment

[@alucard0712]

it looks...really unpolished

[@Night-Tid3]

Just like all of their games on console unfortunately

[@Xcentr1cK]

Yup... For native resolution and 60fps... Forza is still king

[@kraenk12]

Xcentr1cK Update Forza won't run at native 4K

[@Xcentr1cK]

kraenk12 Forza 5, 6, and 7 runs at 60fps locked. Everyone knows that. 5 and 6 are native 1080p. 7 is native 4k.

[@kraenk12]

Xcentr1cK Xcentr1cK No, sorry. At Gamescom they stated it will have "true 4K" which is Microsoft deceit for checkerboarding and dynamic resolution scaling. Just wait and see. Forza 6 also used dynamic scaling btw. in stress situations.

[@Xcentr1cK]

kraenk12 You're wrong. As I said above.. all the resolutions are native. Digital foundry has said repeatedly that Forza 5, 6, and 7 are native. If you have proof of your theory, feel free to post a link.

[@kraenk12]

Xc DF haven't even played the finished game. Like I said just wait and see.

[@eeeasyontube]

Did you employ Kvyat as test pilot?

[@AtlasRevolt]

What are you driving with? An atari paddle controller?

[@DazedJoe]

forza 5 looks great

[@80s_gamer_and_beyond49]

I'll stay with Forza and my 2nd option Mario Kart. Project Cars 1 was very mediocre

[@wayne1da121]

Danny Verdesoto Forza will look better and will be a good game, but good luck online when 18 of 24 player in your lobby have one intention that is to hit you of the road and send you into the tire barriers. All driving games have this issue but Forza takes it to the next level. The real racers will be picking up project cars 2.

[@BumBanditt]

Xbox one master race

[@LouSassol69er]

wayne1da "real racers", my ass. Forza 7 will be leaps and bounds ahead Project Cars 2. Physics, graphics, effects, weather, tracks, etc etc.

[@Spacecoke]

When will people realise that forza is an arcade racer not a sim... the driving physics in forza are shite...

[@LouSassol69er]

spacecoke you're shite. It's a sim.

[@strikefirst3404]

Amazing comparison video, of course PS4 Pro is the best for this game now, and i'll buy it very soon to my PS4 Pro. Thanks a lot for this!

[@BuzzaB77]

reflections look half frame rate?

[@na1loko]

xbox one x? fear?

[@kraenk12]

Naum Goncalves I prefer to play it on my 5 year old PC which is more powerful than the XB1X

[@tou5417]

kraenk12 you are making yourself look stupid let me teach you. Xbox is a console you don't make it yourself a pc is a computer you can do what you want at anytime

[@na1loko]

no, your pc is not more power, dont lie to yourself

[@kraenk12]

My 6 year old CPU is actually faster than that in the X1X...my GTX 1060 is pretty much as fast (this one is not 5 years old though of course)

[@na1loko]

so your pc is no more powerfull just your cpu ^^

[@princedizzy3506]

Love these in depth Console focused videos, more content like this pls.

[@rodrigopellizer]

they didn't talk about pc version because pesants would be salty

[@dockgamer973]

rodrigo LFP they will do the pc test after, well it wouldn't be fair on these console's.

[@princedizzy3506]

PC is more for indies, mobas and early access games, with low PC sales and piracy it makes sense they focus on the Console versions instead of the PC port.

[@dockgamer973]

must be nice in your world because your not in this one fella.

[@rodrigopellizer]

like the low PUBG sales :p

[@nO_d3N1AL]

Looking forward to getting this soon on PC

[@logan5615]

@DigitalFoundry does using “boost mode” help/hurt performance on titles adapted for ps4pro such as PC2?

[@nickmotsarsky4382]

Logan Hornbuckle Boost mode does nothing for ps4 pro enabled titles.

[@logan5615]

Nick Motsarsky thanks

[@mundieafterlife6290]

why the cars are bumping too much , more than GTA IV lol.

[@AnalogFoundry]

Didn't Phil Spencer say that PS4 Pro was an Xbox One S competitor? PS4 Pro = 1360-1440p basically locked 60fps XB1S = 864p-972p and dips down to 33.9fps LMAO what happened?

[@ryanxgames5988]

AnalogFoundry xbox one x 4k 60FPS LOL ps4 pro suck 😂😂

[@AnalogFoundry]

R20 XBOX ONE X - pCARS? Nope, keep dreaming...😂

[@mronex4995]

AnalogFoundry not locked 60fps on pro at all it drops to 53fps with heavy tearing across all consoles so it's ubplayable

[@ivandagnelli8344]

When you play project Cars 2 on Xbox One S there seems to be an earthquake on the screen ... everything is shaking..

[@nicwalsh9537]

Why can't games just add fxaa or smaa to get rid of the remaining jaggies at 1440p?

[@ellypsis603]

Physics in this game is a joke

[@casual35]

Don't play it.

[@Pichuscute]

I played the first Project Cars, and I have to say: it's one of the worst racing games I've ever played in my life, and easily one of the glitchiest, too. And frankly, I don't get what this new one even changes or how it still somehow fails to perform as well as it should. The worst part is, supporting this game means supporting one of the worst scam artist lying developers in the entire industry, and even if the game was good (which is most definitely isn't), I wouldn't support them in the slightest. Thankfully, there are many many better racing games around, like Driveclub, Forza, Forza Horizon, WipEout Omega Collection, The Crew 2, CodeMasters games, and even Gran Turismo Sport (somehow).

[@davidk6269]

More importantly, how does Project Cars 2 run on the Atari 2600?

[@TheChavesmania]

in ps4 pro has screen tearing ???

[@ChrisOnPS4]

I'll be playing Forza 7 and GT Sport. Wasted money buying Project Cars 1 on release day. Terrible fucking early access game

[@justbringit9157]

you're right it was absolute trash. I sold that shit the same day I got it. Day 1 buy and sell lmao. Played forza 7 demo and it's a blast. Ran through two of the tracks multiple times. You getting the ultimate or the standard edition?

[@ChrisOnPS4]

Just BringIt Ya man I just played the Forza demo a few hours ago. The HDR really makes the colours pop nicely. I'll be getting the standard version.

[@ClaudioAguileraMunoz]

same here! I've been watching P C 2 gameplays since 2 months or so, but I'm still with the pain of the first version that stops me for buying this.

[@thisplaceisdeath1465]

PC virgins incoming............

[@nicks8991]

This Place Is Death I don't see whats wrong with PC. The game will always look better if you have good hardware on a PC. Consoles don't look too bad.

[@thisplaceisdeath1465]

Nick S I there's nothing wrong with PC. it's just the unfortunate sad toxic community that dwells there.

[@LewisHamiltonMSPR]

Toxic communities don't exist on consoles obviously /s. The irony of your comment. You yourself are part of the problem.

[@thisplaceisdeath1465]

LewisHamiltonMSPR who said they don't exist on consoles? Not me, but all these replies are from asshurt PC virgins, obviously.

[@LewisHamiltonMSPR]

Your comment tarred the entire PC gaming user base with one big brush while failing to mention anything at all about the numerous shitty console gamers, then you continue to be toxic yourself once again. Stop moaning about shit other people do if you're going to be a hypocrite and do exactly the same thing you call them out for.

[@incredableme63]

10/10 driving really shows of the collision physics. P.S. Where's the visual damage?

[@FandangoBatter]

I'll be trying out all 3 major racing games.

[@aaronjabari6895]

game looks like garbage

[@wordsshackles441]

I agree.

[@zivtheawesome]

so to sum up: ps4pro is best version with 1440p and almost locked 60fps. X1 is worst version with a low resolution and a very unstable 60 fps that goes to the 30's at points.

[@rasundesilva6088]

There is no “worst version.” It’s the same on the Xbox One and PS4

[@zivtheawesome]

watch the video. the X1 stays for longer period of time on the lower res and the ps4 has a higher max res while performing much better than the X1

[@TrayDTV]

Ziv Riger and pc version 4k 60-80 fps ultra

[@rasundesilva6088]

Ziv Riger I did watch the video. The only difference is a few FPS and the resolution is DYNAMIC on both of the consoles. It doesn’t perform “much better.” It performs 2% better, and it’s almost unnoticeable. They also said that image quality takes slight hits in resolution on the PS4. You picked out the good things you heard about the PS4.

[@zivtheawesome]

a few FPS? the game on the xbox 1 can reach 30fps while ps4 almost all the time stays above 45fps and much closer to 60 overall. also while the res is dynamic on both we gotta remember that 1) ps4 has a max res of 1080p while the x1 has a lower max res.

[@straightupgamer354]

Love you Richard and John !!!!!!! Oh, and the commentator!!! 4got your name bro, no offense.

[@_Thred_]

YOU MISSED ONE!!! Great gameplay hits every car and passes them.