4K YouTube Is Getting PAYWALLED - WAN Show October 7, 2022

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Timestamps: (Courtesy of NoKi1119)
0:00 Chapters
0:50 Intro
1:19 Topic #1 - KZbin restricts 4K to Premium
3:58 2160p, 10 ads & KZbin's statement
6:56 Chrome's Manifest V3
10:06 4K as premium only? discussing FP, costs, services
24:52 Lack of competition, accessibility, renting from a library
40:49 LTTStore screw-top lid, golden ABC's plush, swim trunks sale
44:10 Topic #2 - Intel Arc GPUs
45:08 Pricing, unstable gaming experience
47:46 Experience with iGPU, discussing past gens
55:44 Intel is THE competitor, 30 day Arc challenge
1:02:06 Luke hasn't seen any 4090 in person
1:02:30 Sponsor - Zoho One
1:03:27 Sponsor - Squarespace
1:04:48 Sponsor - Savage Jerky
1:06:34 Topic #3 - NVIDIA's ridiculously HUGE GPUs
1:08:08 Luke reacts to the Founders Edition
1:09:08 ASUS's ROG Strix series
1:10:52 ZOTAC's GAMING series
1:11:42 Linus returns with a 1080 to compare
1:13:02 MSI's SUPRIM X series
1:13:38 iGame's Vulcan series
1:16:10 Thoughts on the sheer size & weight of the cards
1:19:20 Comments on the AirPods 2 video, cruise control, voice auto-completion
1:43:22 Topic #4 - Super Mario Bros movie trailer
1:44:03 Watching the trailer, live commentary
1:46:17 Thoughts on trailer & Chris Pratt
1:47:55 Topic #5 - Overwatch 2's bad release
1:49:44 Expensive cosmetics, game changes
1:54:06 Topic #6 - Starforge computer review reaction
1:57:54 Linus reaffirms the logo's C&B look
1:59:32 Merch Messages #1
1:59:46 Floatplane app for TVs & NVIDIA Shield
2:00:32 Peer-to-peer to alleviate costs
2:01:36 CDN for Floatplane
2:07:52 Links of information from Labs
2:17:04 Practical gauche to keep an eye out for
2:18:32 AI on procedural generated gaming assets
2:22:28 Recommending games
2:23:10 How long until RISC-V goes x86-level mainstream?
2:24:40 Nostalgic tech that sucked
2:27:02 LMG's stability, impact on Linus's happiness
2:28:34 Tech to be excited for
2:30:00 Pimax 5K review idea
2:30:56 Paternal tech Linus uses
2:31:28 Linus on failed video ideas
2:33:32 Predicting & planning for LMG's future
2:35:23 Weirdest or coolest thing signed for fans
2:36:46 Thoughts on Google Matter
2:37:16 Rootkit development for gaming
2:38:03 Making labs benchmarking tools public
2:43:18 What does LMG do for power management?
2:44:36 Hiring people from the US
2:45:05 Items that are a must-have in cars
2:47:25 Outro

[@NoKi1119]

At this point, CPUs try to get more power for less energy, but GPUs do the exact opposite. -Timestamps- [0:00] *Chapters.* [0:50] *Intro.* [1:19] *Topic #1: KZbin restricts 4K to Premium.* > 3:58 2160p, 10 ads & KZbin's statement. > 6:56 Chrome's Manifest V3. > 10:06 4K as premium only? discussing FP, costs, services. > 24:52 Lack of competition, accessibility, renting from a library. [40:49] *LTTStore screw-top lid, golden ABC's plush, swim trunks sale.* [44:10] *Topic #2: Intel Arc GPUs.* > 45:08 Pricing, unstable gaming experience. > 47:46 Experience with iGPU, discussing past gens. > 55:44 Intel is THE competitor, 30 day Arc challenge. > 1:02:06 Luke hasn't seen any 4090 in person. [1:02:30] *Sponsors.* > 1:02:38 Zoho One integrated business system. > 1:03:27 Squarespace web builder. > 1:04:48 Savage Jerky. [1:06:34] *Topic #3: NVIDIA's ridiculously HUGE GPUs.* > 1:08:08 Luke reacts to the Founders Edition. > 1:09:08 ASUS's ROG Strix series. > 1:10:52 ZOTAC's GAMING series. > 1:11:42 Linus returns with a 1080 to compare. > 1:13:02 MSI's SUPRIM X series. > 1:13:38 iGame's Vulcan series. > 1:16:10 Thoughts on the sheer size & weight of the cards. > 1:19:20 Comments on the AirPods 2 video, cruise control, voice auto-completion. [1:43:22] *Topic #4: Super Mario Bros movie trailer.* > 1:44:03 Watching the trailer, live commentary. > 1:46:17 Thoughts on trailer & Chris Pratt. [1:47:55] *Topic #5: Overwatch 2's bad release.* > 1:49:44 Expensive cosmetics, game changes. [1:54:06] *Topic #6: Starforge computer review reaction.* > 1:57:54 Linus reaffirms the logo's C&B look. [1:59:32] *Merch Messages #1.* > 1:59:46 Floatplane app for TVs & NVIDIA Shield. > 2:00:32 Peer-to-peer to alleviate costs. > 2:01:36 CDN for Floatplane. > 2:07:52 Links of information from Labs. > 2:17:04 Practical gauche to keep an eye out for. > 2:18:32 AI on procedural generated gaming assets. > 2:22:28 Recommending games. > 2:23:10 How long until RISC 5 goes x86-level mainstream? > 2:24:40 Nostalgic tech that sucked. > 2:27:02 LMG's stability, impact on Linus's happiness. > 2:28:34 Tech to be excited for. > 2:30:00 Pimax 5K review idea. > 2:30:56 Paternal tech Linus uses. > 2:31:28 Linus on failed video ideas. > 2:33:32 Predicting & planning for LMG's future. > 2:35:23 Weirdest or coolest thing signed for fans. > 2:36:46 Thoughts on Google Matter. > 2:37:16 Rootkit development for gaming. > 2:38:03 Making labs benchmarking tools public. > 2:43:18 What does LMG do for power management? > 2:44:36 Hiring people from the US. > 2:45:05 Items that are a must-have in cars. [2:47:25] *Outro.*

[@Ice-tr2gf]

Thanks!

[@adrienchen76]

you are amazing

[@josjoe1928]

Thanks

[@SevenHunnid]

I do food videos while high af on my KZbin channel.

[@aiden3585]

🤓🫡

[@Pegaroo_]

Where's this weeks WAN Show??

[@owenroberts6572]

Where is the latest show? ( Friday 14 )I had a notification on fb it was starting …. Gone looking for it on KZbin but can’t find it

[@jbyrne8977]

Worked at an ISP for awhile. Can confirm that Netflix and Disney+ etc all had cache servers in our datacentres. When Disney+ launched it was a whole drama surrounding the setup etc. Not always as simple as you might expect.

[@RandomUser2401]

yeah at least Netflix offers free CDN node servers for even very small ISPs

[@costafilh0]

Maybe because they invest more on rewarding their CEOs and maintaining their cartels than in technicians and engineers?

[@FennecTECH]

Considering the wide verity of content KZbin hosts a cache box even if it was a dozen storinators fully kitted out would not be able to store even a small fraction of the content ALL of those other services have relatively static catalogs of content that change very rarely while KZbin is constantly adding new content and most views come within the first few hours of upload. A cache is not viable for KZbin

[@FennecTECH]

Companies like Netflix. Disney plus and such all deal purely in evergreen content. Stuff that will be watched again and again for years to come. While the majority of KZbin content is stuff thats only really relevant for the few hours in which it released.

[@FennecTECH]

Simply put. Netflix style caching at an ISP is not viable for KZbin. At best they could get the top 1000 channels but. Thats not going to cover even 20 percent of streams. Also. Live streams. By definition cannot be cached like that. Who the hell is watching a wan show from 10 years ago at 3 AM. Me. I am. How the fuck do they cache that wihtout being wasteful Nobody else is going to watch that shit in the next month to make it worth while.

[@trevorbradley3737]

Came for the KZbin 4K discussion, stayed for the discussion of public libraries.

[@BlueFlash25]

I may be one of the few people who have premium but considering how much I use KZbin, I don´t regret it at all. So all I can say is, good luck guys.

[@VinceVintage]

KZbin premium is the bomb

[@HunterGlod]

With how much I watch/listen on mobile and my smart TVs, I can never go back to non-Premium.

[@mjkittredge]

yeah it's worth it since it replaced cable tv. And no more of those constant, horrifically bad ads

[@bobbybobman3073]

Why did today's wan go to private video?

[@maciejrudolf]

Where is the WAN from today?

[@ruslanetss]

Luke not saying Byeeee is my biggest disappointment of the week :(

[@minn5459]

Let me hop you up. BYYYYYEEEEE!!!!

[@baronofbile]

I'll settle for the "aaayyyeee" u.u

[@allhandsonsteamdeck1440]

NO ONE REALLY CARES ABOUT KZbin PUTTING UP A PAYWALL IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO HAVE 4K SCREENS AROUND YOU THEN YOU HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY KZbin FOR THEIR 4K VIDEOS WHAT ARE YOU CRYING ABOUT A COUPLE OF DOLLARS GROW UP

[@godbeforeme]

Congratulations. You had a great week!!

[@Silverhazey_]

Damn you must have a really easy life if that’s your biggest disappointment.

[@YorkyPoo]

Damn, didn’t realize I was part of the 1.5%. I had noticed when I would watch videos auto would always put it on 480p. Which confused me because I have good internet. Now I never turned it up to 4K because I don’t have a 4K monitor but it’s weird to know they weren’t trying to give me a good experience, they were just running an experiment

[@pi4795]

I set it to 4k even on my phone just because of the bitrate

[@XalphYT]

For the last year or two it's been my default behaviour to open up the gear in KZbin and set the playback stream to a higher resolution. Once you see the difference, you can't go back.

[@esaedvik]

This is one of the features of YT that makes me want to quit the platform in the first place; Everything about the UI is terrible and fights against you. The UX is horrific as a while when you add in shorts on browser, sub box being decimated with lack of videos, algo being terrible for creators etc. I've just lost all hope for YT.

[@jagger1008]

I use a Firefox plugin called KZbin High Definition, it will automatically set youtube videos to the resolution you set, or the closest, so my videos will always default to 4k, then 1440p, then 1080p

[@DutchGuyMike]

@@jagger1008 Yeah, I use KZbin Magic Options.

[@garyhamilton3560]

Where’s 14/10/22 WAN?

[@SiddharthTM]

When will this week's WAN show VOD be made public?!?!

[@Gus_Diaz_83]

My public library has a 3D printer and allows people to come and print whatever 3D model they want, the computers connected to it has links to 3D model sites like Thingiverse and so on. You only pay a fee for the PLA plastic you use. Kids jump on and mostly make X-Wings, Millennium Falcons and Death Stars. The printer and computers are supervised and librarians make sure kids don't fight, make rude objects or ruin the machines. Overall it's an incredibly positive experience seeing kids learn technical 3D modelling and printing, you can easily see how some get future inspiration from this

[@overlookedundead8711]

Thats so cool! Our libraries have…. Well, Books. And some PCs with Celerons from like 10 years ago. But i have my own printers lol

[@EikeSky]

That's incredible! Shows how important libraries are and why we will always need them

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

My college used to have this too

[@fahm90]

Kids this generation would definetly download a car

[@Freakmaster480]

@Joel Kalsi They still make them

[@Peterscraps]

21:15 I'm on gigabit internet, and I got so sick of youtube defaulting to 480p after I manually set it to 1080p that I found an extension that automatically sets the video to the highest quality available. Congrats youtube, your shadow experiments show I'm an outlier, and your bandwidth suffers further because of it.

[@ak-zv7ps]

Settings->video quality preference ->chose High options. Quality you chose while watching video is not permanent this is.

[@freakofnature9580]

My hometown public library is basically a makers space now where you can check-out everything from film equipment to power tools. It’s so freaking cool

[@TechX1320]

Funny thing about most cruise controls... If you set it at that 50kmh/30mph (my car minimum is 30mph), and you decelerate with the steering wheel buttons rather than brake pedal, you could cruise even at 5mph. I've tested it. It's worked on 6 different cars I've owned

[@xiko_cat]

Shhhh We don't want them to patch it

[@FlashGamer521]

What is this fancyness. My steering wheel button just makes a honking noise.

[@TechX1320]

@@FlashGamer521 steering wheel on my truck doesn't even do that

[@oxfordsparky]

That’s never worked on any car I’ve ever owned with cruise, my bmw 5 series works from 20mph, my wife’s old Vauxhall vectra worked from maybe 15mph, both our old Chrysler grand voyager worked from just above 30mph and none of them would below the given speeds, if you tried slowing down via buttons it would either do nothing or turn cruise off.

[@TechX1320]

@@oxfordsparky I've had 21 cars in my life total so far. Mostly Saturns, Hondas, my Veloster and my current Fiat 500 abarth it all works. I think it works in my 2002 Jetta as well, but I can't drive that thing on the street legally so I can't really test it

[@eugenenalpin6058]

2:10:10 Oh _my_ *god,* Dan nailed this bit. The delay, the delivery, the typical Dan awkwardness, this moment is amazing

[@Bobbydog66]

Although hopefully not the timeline for nuclear war.

[@AStickOnCheese]

lmao you're right. The whole bit was amazing

[@ukasa1]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@____________________________.x]

Unexpectedly good replies from them too, what is everyone supposed to do? Sleep in the pod, eat the bugs and own nothing. Coincidentally I just watched the Amish move a barn by lifting it, we are all doing the wrong things as a community imo

[@jamesbrooks9321]

wait so you're telling me that youtube keeps messing with my quality as some sort of experiment to see how much they can annoy me?

[@matthewlink8153]

I've been listening for a few months now and there is one thing I cannot get out of my head! Luke's laugh sounds like Seth Rogan! Literally the spitting image! I'm in stitches every time he laughs! Anyone else notice this?

[@ev304]

this show makes me so happy thanks for all you do linus/team your community is the best

[@albionmerrick]

A big thing with the quality setting is how often people aren't looking. I typically play these while I'm working and glance every once and awhile.

[@riecknicholas]

100% - but also I don't bother turning quality down if I'm not really watching. Ironic that they'd actually save bandwidth if they allowed play back when closed and could just turn down to 140p or audio only.

[@RRGreiner]

@@riecknicholas NO! Thats too sensible!

[@JohnPaulBuce]

@@riecknicholas adding the confusing resolution for mobile users was their priority, i clicked "higher picture quality" and it gave me 360p when i have the internet for 720p so now im doing it manually anyway but with an extra step should have called 144p-240p "low/data saver", 360p-480p "medium", and 720p-1080p "high", above that youre expected to know what you are doing, of course "manual select" button must always exist

[@CycahhaCepreebha]

They turn down the audio quality as well. Go find a music video and toggle between 4k and 1080p, you'll probably be able to tell the difference. You'd have to be deaf to not notice at 720p. It's a strange decision because audio streams use so much less bandwidth than video streams and certainly there are people with data caps on their phones who would love to be able to turn down (or even off entirely) the video separately from the audio quality, but who still want music that doesn't sound like a jpeg artifact. I've definitely been in the experiment group Luke mentions, for the longest time my videos kept resetting to 480p even though I'm on a gigabit line that could handle anything, it was so annoying that for a long series of 10 minute "episodes" I resorted to just downloading the whole playlist and watching in VLC instead.

[@JohnPaulBuce]

@@CycahhaCepreebha im usually at 144p for music and sometimes its just a low quality mess, it wasnt like this before

[@lukeperryglover]

I like Luke's policy of using the best for work even if he doesn't personally like it.

[@jjmatejka]

If there is zero pragmatism in your ideology, you might be a bit of a nut.

[@thecremeegg]

But he's using Chrome which isn't the best browser by far, so that makes no sense?

[@sligit]

Yeah I don't get it either. I occasionally find a site that's clearly only been tested on Chrome and doesn't work on Firefox but thats pretty rare and I just open it in Chrome if so. But overall I find Firefox a better product.

[@jjmatejka]

@@thecremeegg It isn't about "best universal experience", it is what works best for your specific productivity tools. That used to be IE for many professionals. Everyone hated it, but had to use it for work because productivity tools were optimized for IE.

[@gordon7478]

I'm kind of in the same boat right now. I daily Firefox but there Chrome has it's advantages when it comes to my work. Most of that is platforms clearly not testing for Firefox, to be fair, but in the end they doesn't really matter if I have to get the work done. Then again, Firefox's account containers are amazing considering the are platforms where I need to be logged into multiple clients accounts. At this point, I end up having at least one Chrome window open, in addition to several Firefox windows.

[@1.21jigawatts5]

Died laughing at Luke "Sometimes you don't want that fly to have honey!"

[@HydrocClaw]

4K KZbin getting paywalled unfortunately makes a lot of sense (as does 1440p), but if they start putting up paywalls at 1080p then that will be a serious problem to me as a user as certain content will just be less usable or even unusable.

[@Nostalgia_Realm]

Damn. I had no idea it had been that long since 4K on KZbin has been available since 2010. I didn't even have a computer that could play most 4K content without stuttering until 7 years later. And I think that's true for most consumers as well. The first gen i7 860 I had back in 2010 also wasn't exactly low-end afaik.

[@Dr.Nilesh_Shukla]

I still don't have one

[@PQED]

You really need a video card to accelerate the video. Doesn't support the codec? Get an addon to block the codecs it doesn't support. Now, here's the question they didn't really raise in the show: just how much worse 1080p quality has gotten over time. Accounting for codec, bitrate, etc. Google is actively trying to force your hand, when the current 2160p quality is what 1080p should (and largely used to) look like. And of course, not accounting for the fact of paying by being profiled, even if you're using adblock. Profiling is very hard to block completely, and it's something that benefits Google greatly, and not just for KZbin purposes. Not to mention that the content is not created by Google/KZbin. Needless to say: I will NEVER pay for premium, because I am ALREADY paying. Get me good quality 1080p, and I'll be fine. For now. Edit: Just wanted to note: I have a 30fps 1080p video (GTA 4 - Hard Charger) from 2011-03-27 (downloaded from KZbin, naturally - no transcoding), and it has a variable bitrate on the audio of ~128kbit (pretty common for the time), but the video bitrate (which my connection back then could not handle) was (again variable) a staggering 5,9Mbps to 14,5Mbps, with an average of 6Mbps. Are you going to compare that to the crappy, badly compressed VP9, WebM clips of today and tell me they're even remotely on par? If yes: Then Google should no longer be profiling me (anywhere), because my data is worth far more than that garbage, and I'll happily stop using their services, because they clearly don't value their users. So cut it out with your babbling of Floatplane bandwidth costs: You are not Google or KZbin. You are ON KZbin. Your privileged remarks are so off base it's insane at times.

[@jessicagray8852]

I upgraded TO that cpu in 2016 lol

[@Turskaify]

I have 4K TV and Monitor for games only, my internet isn't even fast enough for 4K

[@d0h]

I really think Linus needs to push forward the transcode testing on Intel ARC... It may not be a gaming powerhouse - but if you can show the value in AV1/H265 encode/decode then Streamers and Plex/Tdarr server owners will sell out the ARC supply. Show us they can take the place of an Elgato or RTX 30 series cards in transcode servers and they'll have a beautiful place in the market.

[@infra1]

I'm assuming something controversial was said on tonight's Wan (10/14) show which is why it's private right now and not accessible to the public. Anyone confirm?

[@MonkeyPunchZPoker]

No, it was aliens

[@tristanyt319]

Apparently Linus accidentally leaked his home address on stream.

[@MonkeyPunchZPoker]

@@tristanyt319 oopsies

[@infra1]

@@tristanyt319 he.... doxxed himself?

[@AshtonSnapp]

o shit

[@iorek9503]

I am so glad that this episode talked about libraries. It's true, as a librarian I am always looking to better serve my community. This includes lending out items other than books and including maker spaces.

[@richalverma6776]

In my experience a team of 8-10 devs can actually get a lot done. So it's not surprising Floatplane has been able to build out such an awesome product with such a small team. You really only need thousands of devs when features are extremely complicated or you need to cater to a huge number of customers and need the most performance and uptime out of everything.

[@hikaruyoroi]

8:54 - Luke: "uBlock Origin, I think, has said they can make it work" gorhill, the dev behind uBlock Origin, has continued to be one of the most outspoken critics of Manifest v3 and challenges many of the assertions that Google makes about v3's benefits. He went so far as to initially title his v3 compatible version of uBlock Origin as uBlock Minus, in reference to the vastly inferior experience you get if you were to strictly follow Google's guidelines for v3.

[@RandomUser2401]

so they both have at least one YT Premium subscription but then complain that they get ads served on other accounts. How more obvious does this need to be, use freaggin ÄDDBLOGG!! All these problems can literally be solved by installing ublock origin and, JFC, if you already pay them on one account, who in their right mind actually thinks that's morally not okay? I just do not get it.

[@Cargo_Bay]

“Mine’s a little thicker, Luke”. Well, there goes my head canon.

[@bitehunter122]

Where’s the 10/14 WAN SHOW?

[@Tibadude]

Wondering same thing, saw it live for a short time. but no VOD

[@infra1]

VIDEO MADE PRIVATE!

[@bitehunter122]

@@Tibadude 😰😰😰😰😰😱😱

[@bitehunter122]

@@infra1 😰😰😰😰😰😰😰😰😰😰😰 The WAN SHOW is like church to me. Now, I am going to suffer withdrawal 😰😰😰😰😰😰 I was late getting home from work. I thought I could catch the show at 9:30 pm (Chicago), but no WAN. I guess I will go watch last weeks three-hour-ish show again. This is very sad. I hope they have a late-night WAN show. It’s 11:20 pm CST here. I just hope Linus and Luke and the other guy are all okay. I wonder if paramedics had to come? Maybe someone had a heart attack? Praying for good health for all. Thank you for the info, Nik ❤️🙏🏼❤️

[@raghavvashishtha2047]

We're being blessed with these nearly 3 hr long episodes

[@MyWasteOfTime]

I watch 99% of videos on KZbin in 1080... I even have a 4K monitor. Now I do watch Movies in 4K when available but not KZbin videos...

[@linnoff]

I had no idea T9 dialing was a thing, this is amazing, and I am going to try to get myself to use it now because that really is efficient. I just don't make many phone calls.

[@gundeepsidhu2271]

Does ltt not post wan show to KZbin anymore ?? Could not find this week's show.

[@kyledavidsonphotography]

Linus leaked a password or something like that

[@joesterling4299]

If Google effectively kills ad blocking in Chrome, they effectively kill Chrome, as far as I care. There's always Firefox, which regardless of whether it's better or worse in a vacuum, will suddenly rise to *infinitely* better in such a sad case.

[@manzariat7523]

It's actually pretty great, I've been using it alongside Chrome for the past 2 years. Tho there are other good browsers. All we need is a good KZbin alternative to show them they can't do whatever they want expect people to come along.

[@YukiGibson]

I don´t get people having issues with Firefox, I have at least 5+ years using it and no issues. On Mac, PC, Linux, mobile... so I don't know what the issue is? lol

[@Gabrielnfs]

@@n0k0m3 I have never had any website break with firefox, idk where this narrative comes from tbh. Could you give me any examples of things that don't work well on firefox? I would really like to know

[@bruce-le-smith]

agreed, lots of other browsers out there, Chrome feels as bloated as FF these days. If Alphabet/KZbin pushes too hard people will just go to another digital 'shopping mall' and leave this space abandonded. When I need a quick break I've been enjoying ad free shorts on Disney+, would be easy to 'cut the cord' on both KZbin and Netflix. These are all luxury services really, without any of them I'd just go outside more.

[@nulious]

@@Gabrielnfs I've been using Firefox since 2004-05. There is one hammock vendor that I would have to use Chrome when I would order from them.

[@nostrace]

At this point, KZbin is just doing baby steps to one day make it a monthly subscription service.

[@DutchGuyMike]

You have a good point! Maybe I should start downloading videos that I like..

[@peters9401]

Agreed and with more and more people ‘cutting the cable’ and running into the open arms of utube/google pay walls where always going to be a thing. It’s just a matter of time. 😢

[@wildfirephoenix2262]

@@DutchGuyMikeDo NOT wait to download the KZbin videos that you like now while you still can... Because once Google kills adblock extensions, Google will kill all KZbin video downloader extensions AND all ways of downloading youtube videos through other websites

[@killerboybe1515]

and then it kills itself because the moment its no longer a free platform it comes in the waters of netflix other streaming platform and also learning platforms. the reason youtube is so popular is because nobody can make quality demands and we are willing to lower our demands for content the moment you have to pay for it then there are alternative subscription platforms for content,learning. i mean if have to pay 10euro's a month for youtube il drop it like a brick i mean for that money ill rather get a disney+ ect for content consumption. also for creators this is horrible as this puts another barrier on the growth. for example if linus techtips started on a paying platform ill prob never discoverd them

[@PQED]

@@wildfirephoenix2262 Google doesn't own Firefox, so adblock still has some fight in it.

[@ardentvibe6917]

1:28 Bro, just hover your left foot over the break pedal in sketch situations, while your right foot keeps the throttle at a consistent speed. This is literally how I drive when I’m in dense traffic, or speeding through highways. My car doesn’t even have cruise control 😂

[@australobuchia]

Oh, huh, the drop in quality test almost certainly happened to me. Definitely went through a patch where I had to put the quality up every time. Hasn't happened in a long time though thankfully. It's also one of the most annoying things about other streaming platforms, where it gives no quality settings and presumes I would prefer it to play at low quality rather than wait the extra 2 seconds for it to buffer the highest available quality properly. (Looking at you Disney+)

[@teekaa2520]

I love it when creators make sure that their info graphics look nice in 720p.

[@costafilh0]

It's not about 720p... it's about looking good on small screens like smartphones. Most mew smartphones are 1080p anyways.

[@Mulengr0]

Linus' idea about allowing free access at public libraries is absolutely the bomb! I don't know how to make this happen, but I'm on board like nobodies business!

[@vladterekhov503]

Wait.. public libraries are pay to enter in north American continent? I live in eastern Europe and should have paid only for my card. Like 0.1 Euro for card itself in 2010

[@rescueferret8834]

@@vladterekhov503 not that I've seen. Anyone can walk into a public library and use many resources without showing card, ID, or paying money. Some services cost a bit of money, like printing papers

[@vladterekhov503]

@@rescueferret8834 different places, maybe

[@Freakmaster480]

@@vladterekhov503 I've never seens a paid public library in the US. The most you may have to do is get a free library card.

[@nicholasouellette]

@@vladterekhov503 Where I live in Canada libraries are free, late fees are 5 cents a day per book and it's 5$ to replace your card but they'll often give a replacement for free.

[@mrgallbladder]

My local library has so many different things besides books. We've checked out a projector for a family movie night, a microscope, snow shoes. They regularly host classes for random skills like working with leather, computers, taxes, watch repair. They have tools and all sorts of random equipment you can check out. They also have e-books and audiobooks through their app.

[@Back_To_Pray]

38:57 My library just put in 4 sound booths, they are like 5x6x10ft standalone rooms I’m shy about even opening the door to one 😅

[@SteltekOne]

Wow, I have had to force 1080p or 4k so often recently because KZbin defaults me to 480p more and more. I thought it had to do with my shoddy Internet connection being slow on video startup (causing the auto-bandwidth sensing to fail to lower resolutions), but your explanation of them trying to save bandwidth this way makes much more sense!

[@cgsenior2007]

I noticed this at the start of the summer, bc I have two monitors (One in 1440p & second one in 4K) and every high quality video I would start would automatically start in the lower 1080p and stay there. Ended up having to use a chrome extension for YT that automatically detects 4K resolution, and also let's me pop up the video and place it cleanly anywhere on the screen.

[@DutchGuyMike]

Use any app such as KZbin Magic Options. I have it selected to automatically pick 1080p, as it is my personally preferred quality.

[@StreetPreacherr]

And when it happens, I assume it's because there's something dodgy about my connection, not that KZbin is fucking with me and dropping my quality in the background! lol

[@methos4866]

Eh i just use a modified app where it forces 1080p all the time. Google can take their bs and stuff it.

[@mromutt]

I have noticed this for a very long time so I have an extension that sets it to what I want it to be XD

[@shinramiddlemanager7949]

If Google can continue to write off billions on the likes of Stadia, they can continue to sub 4k bandwidth costs at a time when more people than ever are looking to drop subscriptions, not be browbeaten into adopting a new one.

[@Raja995mh33]

They could also easily make a subscription available that's ONLY KZbin. I would definitely get Premium if it was $5/month and only includes removing ads and stuff. I don't want their garbage Music service. But you just can't get Premium without it and HAVE to pay extra for it. And there's no way I'm gonna pay $15/month to get rid of ads because they're forcing me to pay for KZbin Music as well... And for some reason no one is even thinking about it.

[@unknownpotato8691]

The thing is people who already have YT premium won't be affected, so it wouldn't factor in their decision to "drop" their subscription. And I'm guessing most people complaining about the change are likely not going to pay for premium in the near future, so it doesn't matter what they do. The same goes for those dropping their subscriptions for other services. And then there's the subset of people who genuinely don't care video quality. Which, based on YT data on people not switching quality up from 480P, is the vast majority of people. Even I fall under this 80% of the time, since I mostly use YT in the background while doing something else). Meanwhile, they might be able to sway some of those that do use 4K often to get a premium subscription. They won't be a lot. But it's a bonus. I'm not gonna debate on whether Google made the right or wrong decision. But the reality of it is that they'll be saving a significant amount in recurring costs while not really losing anything.

[@DutchGuyMike]

@@Raja995mh33 Good point!

[@jewlouds]

I actually had a friend actively avoid cruise control on his car because he wasn’t sure how to turn it off. I told him to just press the break- and he still was too afraid to use it.

[@speedracer2please]

My mom never knew how to use the cruise control in her own car until I got old enough to learn how to drive. She was shocked by the fuel efficiency I was getting out of it, so I showed her how it worked and she still never tried it lol

[@sodar42]

Where's this weeks WAN Show? Edit: Linus doxxed himself, and they cut the stream.

[@eflarsen]

libraries are getting better but the issue is in places that don't fund them (which also tends to be in lower-income areas). i know my local library has hosted a lot of events and stuff, but the collections are still very limited to books and movies because the local government just doesn't fund it enough for them to get stuff like a 3d printer

[@Zokiio]

@@matthewskullblood9778 Actually our public library where I live actually have 3d printer.

[@RedHeadForester]

I remember Linus saying he wasn't going to keep the beard past the pandemic, but he's become quite attached to it! Looking forward to a video covering what a month of gaming on arc is like.

[@benhovey7252]

I think Yvonne started to like it, so he has to keep it

[@IIARROWS]

Well, we are still not quite past the pandemic, we would have done if everyone did their share. Regardless of what people tell you. But in less than a week from that statement, everyone was telling to keep it and they made a poll.

[@aurelienlux]

My main issue regarding restricting 4K is when watching KZbin on a TV. It's true that most people don't need 4K when watching on a PC because most people don't have 4K displays and the screen size is small compared to a TV anyway (and even more so on phones and tablets). However 4K TVs are becoming the norm and 1080p KZbin on a large 4K display looks pretty bad.

[@firsh]

Already switched to Firefox and loving it. I set it up the same way and it's actually faster and customized it with CSS. So it's just like I want it.

[@grug_son_of_thog]

Firefox is way better than it was even a few years ago. I made the switch after the Manifest V3 announcement and was dreading it because I remembered just how buggy it was a few years back. So far I've not run into any of the same problems that I had before.

[@cjskater2006]

I've been using it and the forks since whenever Opera killed off its userbase way back in the day (2007ish?). There was a period of time where FF was best version, another period where Waterfox was best, then another period where I used some other fork I can't remember the name of now. Since about 2018ish though I've been using purely FF and the only issues I've had have come from extensions. It used to be I needed a session manager to make sure you didn't lose anything but I can't even remember the last time it crashed. I say that as somebody who has very poor tab management and will just leave a million tabs open all the time (with a tab discard extension though).

[@udilschik]

If I may suggest such extensions as "Firefox Color", "Dark Reader" and "Ublock Origin" with extra filter lists enabled. Makes for an even better experience.

[@reigor8185]

Been using firefox for a few years now, works great! Love multiaccount container and temporary containers

[@voodoonights1671]

Hope I have same experience this time. Too many things didn't work as I needed the last time I used it as my daily, but I am going back for a longer look at it.

[@florianopolis6299]

I'm using brave for some time now. I also heard that opera isn't that bad these days either. I think I'll give Firefox and opera another whirl then. Thank you for the hint!

[@daftrok]

If 4K was a new feature they would have a point. It has been 7 years and KZbin is a juggernaut. This is just to make KZbin Premium more enticing without changing the price.

[@zqzj]

Having ZERO Ads is pretty darn enticing. Apparently that's not enough for most people Edit: Y'all are MISSING the point. It seems like most of you have the mentality of a child. Let me explain: Fact 1 - Online services cannot exist without revenue. Fact 2 - If everyone were using an adblocker and not paying a fee to use services, it will eventually lead to the bankruptcy of the online service. Fact 3 - Because people refuse to pay for online services, online services engage in predatory spyware to know everything about you so that they can be paid to manipulate you. Fact 4 - If everyone paid for online services, there would be no need for predatory spyware practices. Also, the community that actually utilizes the online service would have a voice, instead of the ad partners who are the real customers at the moment.

[@daftrok]

@@zqzj Not for $12 a month. If they made it $5 a month they would more than triple their Premium user base.

[@kidShibuya]

Yeah if a company is losing money on something they just need to go bankrupt. They can never change their starteity, that's not cool. I would rather have no youtube at all than to have people pay for what they use.

[@TheLongDon]

@@kidShibuya Sometimes that's true, the only reason it's not true here is because they're a monopoly

[@JollyOldCanuck]

@@TheEvilCommenter KZbin has been running at breakeven for a while.

[@KCKingcollin]

I was gaming on Linux through the challenge and was really surprised with the problems you guys had

[@ghostkilla931]

Linux is awful for gaming. Don't be surprised.

[@KCKingcollin]

@@ghostkilla931 well Im gaming on it seems fine to me...

[@portapawl5396]

I run a 4k projector in my bedroom that blows up to a 100+ inch screen. I notice every single time youtube plays @ 1080p or lower and was wondering why it kept switching to a lower resolution. A 4k paywall is gonna suck.

[@r.g7261]

One problem with limiting 4k to premium users only is that when it comes to programming tutorials, sometimes you just HAVE to bump the res to 4k just to be able to read the text, because the creator records his screen in 4k at 100% resolution scaling. Therefore if you view the video at anything less than 4k, the small text becomes unreadable. Soo yes there are a few circumstances where it would be nice to have 4K without Paying money to watch that ONE VIDEO

[@alexanderlee5180]

Absolutely loved this WAN show, extended cut today! More of WAN show is ALWAYS a good thing! Hope these longer shows become more common!

[@RandomUser2401]

Can this guy named LS PLEAASE PLEAASE stop eating and chewing all the time?? It drives me NUTS!

[@alexanderlee5180]

@@RandomUser2401 Nobody is forcing you to watch the WAN show, you are aware of this right? Also, why did you make this a reply to my comment? It would probably get a lot more visibility if you just made it a general comment. I understand the whole eating and smacking lips into a mic can be extremely annoying (I hate the sounds of people eating food next to me myself) but Linus doesn't eat on the show all that often, and when he does, it's not like he is constantly eating the entire time he's talking either. But if it's bothering you that much, just skip those parts or something. Or don't watch it. I don't notice it most times so I really can't relate, at least in the context of the WAN show. Normally the sounds of people chewing or smacking their lips when they are close by really irritates the shit out of me🤣😅 But I just don't notice when I'm watching the Wan show. You could always turn the volume down and enable auto generated closed captioning. It's not perfect, but it does well enough to be able to infer what someone actually said when the AI gets the word wrong. What would be hilarious though is of the AI closed captioning started picking up the lip smacking and turning it into text 🤣🤣🤣 idk what you can do at that point

[@peachierose3356]

thanks for adding captions!

[@joshua41175]

Luke: "sometimes you just don't want that fly to have honey" *BIGGEST MOOD*

[@Griwes]

Seeing an ad on youtube (other than the very rare times I happen to fire it up on my phone in the app) is such a weird concept to me. Adblocks are a necessary tool to not go freaking insane while using anything on the web.

[@bigfoothunter8080]

Ads are the only reason this channel even exists. People like you thinking you are entitled to free content is "such a weird concept to me".

[@Jeffmorgan83]

@@bigfoothunter8080 You're wrong sir. This channel makes the majority of it's money through in-video sponsorships like all channels do.

[@LMojzis]

@@Jeffmorgan83 Majority means most, which is not the case here.

[@Jeffmorgan83]

@@LMojzis Yes it is.

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

@@bigfoothunter8080 you got ratio'd

[@DNrSquar3d]

As a new dad, Linus' apprehensions about his children's future in the world just hits hard.

[@khx73]

Timestamp?

[@axSupreme]

@@khx73 2:10:20

[@khx73]

@@axSupreme Thanks

[@lisat9707]

As a person his worries hit hard😢

[@Joseph-C]

I think every good parent in human history has apprehensions about their children's future. It's quite normal.

[@puntoboy_gaming]

The back button on Android is on the left. The back function in iOS in on the left. That's how we write in left-to-right languages such as English, so going back is going left, like in a browser.

[@CJWall_rott]

Why did you take down last nights wan show the 14 th

[@legomyego3058]

He leaked His adress

[@compsrus]

It immediately went private due to that

[@CJWall_rott]

Okay thanks

[@kyleduddleston4123]

I think I might be one of that 1.5% in their study. I'm so glad to have an answer as to why I set my preference to be Higher Video Quality and I had videos defaulting to 480p or lower and I constantly had to take it back up to 1080p. It was driving me insane and I assumed it had something to do with signal strength. Sometimes I would only put it up to 720p so that it wouldn't buffer, but apparently it was just Google messin' with my stuff! Lol

[@rawpure]

yep im in the same boat, sitting on a 4k OLED and videos are always defaulting to the lowest res, its really annoying.

[@costafilh0]

The biggest problem with YT is that it's not public! As information should be!

[@Jakedab]

The library thing for content is a very appealing solution.

[@iBlond]

One of the weirdest things that I have no idea how it happened, I never get ads. Don't have an ad blocker, don't pay for premium, it works from my computer to my phone, to my tv and I don't know what has happened with it. This has been the way sense the beginning of premium. I did buy premium when it first came out for a month or two.

[@jessicagray8852]

1440p is a must have for me imo. Its a pretty standard monitor resolution, and tvs being so big and only getting better I feel like I won't use it as much if the quality degrades. However, I would accept 1080p if HDR, sound, and general compression improves - I watch a lot of military style gameplay where dark screenspace gets destroyed by yt compression I also feel that the tech space being so hard for corporations to get into is solidly breaking the free market economy The public library take is a massive brain blast. I could definitely argue open source information documentation has always been a want/need for communities. Government infrastructure to publicly share and archive info in more modern mediums would be HUGE

[@Star-du2od]

1080p is bearable, and good for most users. I can understand if 1440p+ comes with more ads, or requires payment that's not great. but it's understandable

[@WaughJeo]

Watching this to get my fix still :(

[@marionikolov5961]

Wait what?!!? My quality dropping to 480 was them experimenting?? Bloody hell did that drive me insane every time. How do people not care its 480p? 1080 to 4k I understand but 480 is another level.

[@LilPeener]

If I had known owning a 4k monitor was going to require additional paid subscriptions to every platform I watched videos on, I WOULD HAVE NEVER PURCHASED ONE

[@unpersonableme1805]

.... What you can still watch at 1080p on a 4k monitor

[@nesyboi9421]

@@unpersonableme1805 As someone who has a 1440p monitor, upscaling from 1080p kind of sucks, it just doesn't look right

[@sid6645]

Ngl 4k monitors come with that sort of cost... If its such a bother then maybe waiting until USB 6.0 tech came around and made 4k trivial enough for it to be free would have been the right call haha

[@aussieadventurenerd8137]

@@nesyboi9421 but.. you don’t need to upscale you can just watch in native 1080

[@nesyboi9421]

@@aussieadventurenerd8137 I have a 1440p monitor, it does technically upscale to 1440p to fit my monitor in fullscreen, and it makes it blurry enough that it really does bother me. It may technically be native 1080p, but that's like saying I can use my flatscreen 1080p 16:9 TV's analog inputs to play N64 on it. Even if I set it to display only in 4:3 you lose pixel density, and in that case it is very noticeable.

[@DanielPierce]

Netflix Open Connect is still a thing, they partner with ISPs and put Netflix red server boxes in interconnect locations, usually this is done near larger cities so that they can give customers very fast access to the Netflix library.

[@StefanBacon]

hell yeah, thank you for bringing back classic lids. I guess I'd better buy one since I asked support to make them available a month ago.

[@zeptfatal8286]

On the iOS topic, I personally feel that there will always be a biased side that doesn’t want to hear the negativity, you should not act in there preferred manner as you are trying to eliminate bias, and create an objective review!

[@rclark0313]

I really wouldn’t have thought that cruise control was that controversial. I do literally the same thing and use cruise all the time going done the street. It’s just easier to watch what’s around instead of thinking about speed.

[@mircojung]

Learned today that T9 dialing is a thing. Just AMAZING! Thank you linus.

[@exileut]

I had never heard of it used for dialing. When we were kids phones only had 8 number keys to type 26 letters. T9 was for predictive texting.

[@xanthirus]

Watching this almost a week later, ask Wendell about the windows search issues, he has a lot to say, and more people should be saying it because some of this is causing inflated usage statistics of certain tools that misleads shareholders among others.

[@thomasmcelroy5785]

Luke, deadpan "yeah, but sometimes you don't want that fly to have honey' absolute gold!

[@JeremyCulbreath]

I had no clue t9 dialing worked on androids. That's what I love about technology. I've been an IT professional for over 2 decades and still learn useful stuff every day.

[@Christopher_S]

I'd love to see a video on the evolution of libraries. I know it's not specifically tech tips related, but it sure sounds interesting!

[@kryzethx]

13:22 I don't think I've ever heard Linus trip over his words so much lol. Giving off major "Have you ever had a dream" kid vibes

[@miff227]

It would be nice to know some figures around what monies channels actually get back from Premium. Do the channels just have an end payment figure or does it tell them the proportion of channel viewing time Premium viewers are responsible for etc

[@GamingLovesJohn]

Unfortunately, I don't agree with them charging 4K. I can predict with KZbin letting them have an inch, they will take a mile. How long before they start charging for 1440p? 1080p? 720p? They don't have a natural competitor, and I can see them pull a Netflix here. It's definitely a slippery slope.

[@myanime101]

the cruise control thing for me is huge I was driving up from Southern California to reno Nevada in northern California and northern Nevada the speed limits in alot of areas are half of what they are in southern california i was going with the flow of traffic and got pulled over going 40 in a 25 in a small town not a school zone for the rest of my trip I found trying to drive at a constant of 25mph was so awkward and wished cruise control could be set that low

[@ThePaytonc]

This is the argument they should have used. I run into this when driving through small towns / the country.

[@chio987]

There is a bad township with crap cops that go after anything. There’s a community park where the speed limit drops from 40 to 25 and I’m able to set my cruise to 27 which is close enough. Some times dropping down that slow feels like you’re stopping and naturally start to speed back up sometimes without realizing it.

[@tristanell]

Came for the KZbin 4K discussion, stayed for the discussion of public libraries.

[@louis24]

This reminds me of that "Have you ever had a dream" kid 13:22

[@collinkavaner1612]

The thing where KZbin was purposely changing the resolution super low happened to me too. There was a period of time not that long ago I remember getting annoyed because it kept going to 1080p or lower and I could notice it right away. The thing that bothers me the most is that KZbin 1080p looks bad and KZbin 4k looks like Vimeo 1080p. I wouldn't care if 4k is behind a paywall if the 1080p looked more like actual 1080p.

[@kidShibuya]

Yes... They told everything they were doing this when covid hit and bandwidth usage went through the roof. But you probably don't believe in covid right?

[@SeraphX2]

1080p looks like 1080p. not sure what you're smoking. someone made a browser plugin to force select 1080p.

[@jofy_peters3715]

@@SeraphX2 bitrate matters a lot.

[@Xanthelei]

@@kidShibuya They stopped doing it for a while (at least to me) then about 8 months ago I started having to fight to not be forced down to 240p. I can handle 780p no problem, but below that is just hot garbage on a phone screen. That has nothing to do with covid at all.

[@MarcosRobertoDosSantosJF]

​@@Xanthelei I use a plugin to force 4k (or at least, the highest resolution for a given video if there is no 4k)

[@idontwantachannelimjustcom7745]

KZbin needs to bring back the default quality. I'm tired of switching back to 144p. Wifi outside is spotty....

[@tactileslut]

Same. On Dish, after using their pathetic monthly bandwidth allowance, nothing better than 144 would play yet KZbin kept cranking itself up beyond the ISPs throttle point.

[@jsax01001010]

I haven't lived in a place with internet service fast enough to stream 1080p video in over 8 years. Last night even 144p kept pausing to buffer, though 720p usually streams okay with minimal buffering. It took me a while to notice that KZbin kept turning the quality down, because I rely on it automatically reducing the quality when my internet service is struggling.

[@leakingamps2050]

I'm in the same boat here

[@costafilh0]

Ever heard of a thing called download?

[@ujjvalw2684]

Same

[@hosedevil]

So true, I used youtube tutorial vid to take apart my warthog joystick to fix the sticktion issue, some things are just too handy whatever the resolution.

[@dannymccallum2937]

I always have my visual quality set to “data saver” (360p) by default and this is the first WAN show I’ve watched where it defaulted to 1080p. Interesting that KZbin might choose what videos are deserving of the high-res treatment out of the gate. Subject matter a bit touchy perhaps?

[@cdangers]

Here's the thing about youtube not having any competition. If they want to dumb down the service and serve a bunch of ads unless you pay for premium, that opens the door wide open for other players.

[@Deinorius]

Meh. In general you're not wrong but you forget the discrepancy between KZbin and the rest. It's so fucking huge and a real monopoly that talks about government involvement seem to make sense.

[@Slepnair]

What a lot of people don't seem to know is that their ISP isn't in charge of all the fiber lines that are used. They're usually "last mile" ISP's. They're the "level 3" that delivers the last mile to you, but there are 2 other levels of connection for the delivery. The main company I know of because I worked with them at my previous job was Masergy. When Masergy has an outage, it usually impacted much larger areas than if Crime Warner Cable had an outage. So when my buildings networks would go down, we'd first check the Last mile ISP, then check our bundle with Masergy. and I've had KZbin Premium since it was added to google play music, and it costs me 10$ because i've never canceled it. I'm left handed and use my phone in my right hand 99% of the time. VR needs to improve control options. We need the gloves, etc. That'd be an amazing improvement. (I know there are ways to do it, but it's either jank, or expensive.)

[@activeentropy]

I had not known about t9 dialing, thank you for telling me about it. This is now going to be my way to dial people in the future.

[@interlace84]

We just came from h264 where 1080p streams cost literally more storage & bandwith than 4k does today-- VP1 & h265 shouldn't be ignored in this, and it's shameful to suddenly paywall a resolution most consumers have gotten affordable displays for by now! If they do it for 8k and up I'm not complaining.

[@loreaver3882]

Yeah 3D video and 8k I could understand

[@_framedlife]

Processing vp1 and h265 still takes more processor time and ad revenue are lower.

[@RurouTube]

This is not right, at least not currently. Not sure back then, but right now 1080p H264 (AVC) vs 4K with VP9 is like 3 to 5X more bandwidth needed, so a pretty big jump. VP9 is not a miracle that can make 4K use the same bandwidth as 1080P. It would be around 40% to 50% saving moving from AVC to VP9 and probably around 5% to 10% more saving from VP9 to AV1 (these number will vary greatly depending on the content and resolution). So you save like 50%, but 4K has 4X more pixel, so no, 1080P AVC is not using more bandwidth vs 4K, not even close. And there is another fact that I think most people doesn't know about 4K YT vs 1080p YT. YT actually throwing more bitrate per pixel on 4K vs 1080p on the same codec. In one video, 4K video can use close to 7X more bitrate vs 1080p! Should they use that high of a bitrate on 4K? I personally think not, but then hear people and content creator saying something like "you might not see it because of YT compression" and there are people thinking 4K doesn't really use more bandwidth. My stance is similar to Linus. I don't like something that is free being taken away, but I understand why they do it if they ended up doing it. Some people choose to turn a blind eye on this and simply want everything for free. No ads, max resolution, max quality, for free and they think they are entitled to it.

[@interlace84]

@@_framedlife 2 words: hardware decoding. Even my older samsung phone does 4k60 and I'm pretty sure it's not streaming h264.

[@AarPlays]

@@interlace84 this. Everyone complains that 265 uses the client more and thus makes it harder to use. However we have MASSIVE CPUs for software, and embedded chips for h264 that the CPU completely offloads to. We seriously need to get away from 264.

[@TheGhastHunter2014]

As someone who manages content creation and streaming for organizations, putting 4k behind a paywall may make business and technical sense, but it is really only going to lead to one thing: No content creator or production will find it worth the investment to attempt to increase their production to 4k quality, and thus the platform will stagnate in 1080p for many years past when it becomes business and technically sensible for it to be standard.

[@tams805]

But as they mentioned... most people simply do not care for much more than 1080p, if that. And what competitors are there, even on the horizon? Absolutely zero.

[@TheGhastHunter2014]

@@tams805 Absolutely, so short term, it makes plenty of sense, but I am referring to the long term growth of 4k technology, and the inevitable future of 4k being standard resolution. This will likely not happen for 5-10 years market-wide, but if youtube locks 4k behind a paywall, it will slow this transition significantly, at least for youtube and youtube creators.

[@jfolz]

It's an experiment to see how many more Premium subscriptions they could get that way, but it would hardly save them any bandwidth. As mentioned KZbin already serves lower resolutions to test if you actually care and most people just don't.

[@RonGrethel]

So excited to see savage jerky again!

[@Xiltch]

In the future your desk will have two cases... One for the main computer and the second for just the graphics with a fibre connection between them.