4x4 Off-Roading in Snow for Beginners | Chasing Dust

[@Kwikrnu]

I agree with much of what was said, except the chains. Snow chains, especially the bigger ones (if you have clearance) makes a difference when off road in the snow that’s iced over and in the soft muddy spots where snow has melted. They can help with traction up or down hill, because sliding down a trail and into a ditch or tree sucks. True chains take time, space, money, and are messy, but IMHO are worth it.

[@rxonmymind8362]

With my family and little ones in the truck and the snow is kind of sketchy I'm putting on chains even if I have a four-wheel drive truck. I'll do everything I can to keep them safe.

[@Mike-01234]

Seen a jeep with 2 sets of chains on each 40" tire thing never got stuck in deep snow.

[@captseamus]

I have 4x Diamond Pattern Studded tire chains in my truck to slap on anytime in the winter. " Tip of the Mitt - Michigan"

[@ironborn8786]

Chains are essential if you are on ice. You would be dead if you tried to come down mountain forest service roads where I live. I seen guys in 44" tires slide right off the mountain.. I will keep my chains.

[@rodporter4203]

He was just talking about the gear he should know not to have tire chains

[@Kovacreation]

Hmm. What. Have you been on sheet ice with a small amount of water on top? Chains do nothing. Also on ice tire size have nothing to do with traction.

[@ironborn8786]

@Kovacreation I will keep my chains. My experience is my experience. Can't denie what I have seen with my own eyes.

[@ImageLoX]

I would disagree that MT tires are the best for snow. Mud tires are actually even less capable in snow than a lot of all-terrain tires. For starters, there are next to no mud tires that come certified with the three-peak mountain snowflake symbol. When driving on mud tires in snow, compacted snow and ice will eventually fill in the wide channels between the tread blocks and the tread channels that otherwise give mud tires their phenomenal performance off-road. And because mud tires do not have the siping that even regular all-season tires have, there is nothing for the tire to bite into to hook up with the road surface - which can prove to be especially detrimental when the road is covered in snow and ice. Another feature that mud tires have that make them such a dynamic performance upgrade is the rubber compounds that are used to create them. Because they need to be more pliable under extreme entry and departure angles, this soft rubber compound will react poorly to steep drops in temperature. The otherwise soft compound that mud tires need to work their best will harden up in a hurry when temperatures drop below 45-degrees. While soft rubber compounds are great for dry road performance (such as summer and competition tires for sports cars), their performance will severely deteriorate when it gets cold out. To sum up, running mud tires in the snow is a great way to test the crumple zones of your truck or SUV - especially if the roads haven't been plowed or salted. You might be king of the trail, but no amount of four-wheel drive will do the job of dedicated snow tires. Also, most beadlocks are not DOT approved.

[@jdmartinezrmz111]

True... but I also the brand of the mud tire has a lot to do with it

[@Kwikrnu]

I disagree, M/T tires are better off road in snow than an A/T or R/T (hybrid). Better yet chains and M/T tires. I agree that on road in light snow rated siped tires are superior than non-siped M/T tires

[@walterusrex]

Very confusing… the M/T tyre is better in offroad with snow conditions than a A/T tyre? And why? I currently have M/T and i offen get stuck in snow

[@kayadeangelis9344]

Something I realized tonight (I was stuck until 11pm in a snow storm) is to call emergency services after 6pm bc the sun goes down earlier in the winter. Not friends and family as that ropes them into a potentially dangerous situation! I realized that being stuck in the woods during snow storm (even in the day) can be dangerous or deadly. There will always be a level of risk with this even if you do everything right, i lapsed my judgement even tho I thought I was making what I thought was the safer decision. I’ll always play it safe from now on, if I thought I was playing it safe before I will play it even safer now. I’m so lucky nothing broke and that I didn’t get hypothermia even tho I was FULLY equipped with multiple jackets, food water a shovel and a buddy

[@brettoetting]

Just found out my BFG MT KM2 tires are absolute dookie in the snow. Some of that is me, I’m new to snow, but I had a serious lack of traction at 12 psi. The terrain was uneven mountain road, heavily driven due to recent snow. Thank goodness I’ve got a winch and helping hands.

[@motominded5275]

mud tires suck in packed snow, AT tires generally work the best all around but once things get packed and / or icy, proper winter tires work the best.

[@Lohkay]

Not bad but it is even more for beginners than I thought it would be. I was hoping he'd cover wheeling in deep snow.

[@bobbymuy989]

Perfect timing! I’m going snow wheeling this weekend with a few of my buddies!

[@LionRunner]

I got an amateur question. when it comes to snow I've hear snow should stick to the tire in order to get traction on snow vs clean itself like in mud situations, hence the reason winter tires have siping to grab the snow vs cleaning it off the treads. As for All terrains I see tires like BFG KO2 and Falken Wildpeaks have 3PMSF rating. When I try to change mine I could not find Hybrid tires or Mud tires having that winter rating. Sorry if this is a dumb question, I'm an amateur trying to learn.

[@desertchief5769]

Good question! You are correct about the siping at 3-peak mountain snowflake rating. The Ridge Grappler is an excellent tire for those who want the best overall performance in a wide range of elements. They do great in snow, but they’re not specifically engineered for it. If you find yourself constantly driving in snow or ice (cold climates), the Exo Grappler is the tire you want. But for those of us who live in Southern California and mostly wheel in dry, warmer conditions, but occasionally want to use their truck in snow, the Ridge does a fantastic job. Hope that helps.

[@LionRunner]

@@desertchief5769 Thank you for the info. I really like to step up from my A/Ts towards a Hybrid or M/T.

[@NorthShoreBronco]

I'm in the same boat as you. Debating on an Toyo AT3 or Toyo MT...... I'm in Northern N.B Canada, and will be doing mostly snowwheeling. I"m wondering if an All terrain would be better than a Mud Terrain tire for me.....

[@Poacher91]

@@NorthShoreBronco If you will be doing mostly snowwheeling than a dedicated winter tire is your best bet. For example Nokian Hakkapeliitta LT3

[@88rushrocks]

Question the air tank does it fill all 4 tires? I’m tired of using a electric pump lol

[@phelandeluna5439]

MT's are definitely better than AT's in snow, but not ideal. Dedicated winter snow tires are best. And snow on snow traction is actually better than cleaning out the lugs. I know you guys are sponsored by Nitto, but I personally choose Cooper Discoverer M+S and Mastercraft Courser MSR.

[@spikierro]

So informative for newbie like me, thank you. Man, it is so painful to see that TRD pro go home with that damage 😢

[@pizzasteakphocheeseburgeri2965]

you nooblet

[@c.r.rg9529]

I won't be snow wheeling in it but I'm having a hard time finding information on how well the 22/23 tundra SR(NOT SR5) entry level tundra has handled in the snow. Obviously no locker. Have you heard how they do?

[@AustinH7]

Good tip on the following distance!

[@thedealer799]

Most used thing I have in my rig is the tire inflator or deflator. Next is shovel.

[@amtravelandtransport3492]

Love you thanks for your help

[@fariteymourtash7101]

Great tips… Thanh’s. I have all terrain K02 on my Jeep. Will check out ridge grappler’s you mentioned. Hopefully not too bad on dry road and highways. Thanks 👍

[@AXHEJAZ]

Excellent video Thanks for all the tips and tricks brother much appreciated 🤙

[@DrivingLine]

Glad you liked it! Have fun and be safe out there!

[@puddles1458]

Been to big bear a bunch of times back in the day with my lifted XJ. As far as tires go I prefer BFG mud and Cooper STT Pros.

[@22jfrilot]

Love most of what he’s saying but it could just be a personal preference but I’d take a 3 peak snow rated a/t with good siping over a mud terrain. Unless you’re wheeling in multiple feet of snow and have 37+ inch tires and that’s your only option. Just my 2 cents🤷‍♂️

[@davidwayne9982]

The should make things like this MANDATORY in schools--- no one that I know of TEACHES things like this to new drivers...

[@Bentlyco0p]

Can you make a video on Recommendations for recovery gear. Great video.

[@MrTrevers99]

Here's a newbie tip from a newbie! Don't get cocky, know the limit of your vehicle and your skills. Best way to avoid a shitty situation is to not put yourself into it in the first place👌

[@andrewmeekens1778]

Good tips thanks

[@robertgarcia2777]

very informative. honestly, I was curious about the PSI of your tires. Im from the desert and we air down all the time. planning a trip up north so this will come in handy.

[@jdmartinezrmz111]

Great video and advice. And I forgot to tell you I went peepee and I left it in back of your truck in a coconut water container 🤣🤣🤣 jk my bro,keep those great videos coming

[@Kana0211]

I heard mud tires suck in snow because it gets compacted into the big voids

[@Poacher91]

M/T tires are designed to expel mud and keep the treads clean. Dedicated winter/ snow tires have small grooves in each tire tread, those grooves are called sipes, their job is to actually grip and hold onto the snow which will increase the traction. Dedicated winter/ snow tires are made with a different rubber compound compared to A/T, M/T and hybrid tires. Winter tire compound will remain soft in colder temps, whil A/T, M/T and hybrid tires will become harder. its like driving with hockey pucks. Not recommeded at all. Tire compound and tread spacing are the biggest reasons why M/T tires are not recommended in snow or on ice.

[@centredoorplugsthornton4112]

I've a tip. Clear snow off the roof of the vehicle.

[@ChuckHolt]

Good info, but you lost me when you started talking about tire pressures, I run 8 on gravel and 5 in deep snow if I’m running non beadlock wheels, with my beadlocks I run 1-2psi. 16-20 is not aired down at all.

[@Scoobienorth]

You’re way high on air pressure. We frequently start at 7 psi and drop you 2-3 psi in tough conditions in the snow without beadlocks and rarely pop beads off, but you definitely need to know how to reseat them.

[@desertchief5769]

I can tell from this comment you're probably from the PNW! The amount of fresh snow you guys get is crazy, and I'd probably go lower too in those conditions. But we're lucky to get a foot down here in SoCal, so 16-20 does pretty well unless you've got a really stiff sidewall tire. I'm pretty familiar with reseating beads on the trail, and have done it many times, but for the absolute "beginner" snow-wheeler, I don't think it's a good idea to go that low.

[@Scoobienorth]

@@desertchief5769 I’m from the interior of British Columbia, yes we get huge snow pack and deep snow, even in the slippery and icy conditions sub 5 psi really helps compared to 10 psi. That being said we don’t have big rocks to crawl as the snow pack covers everything. Ruts and rocks could push the beads off and I get that. That being said pushing limits on sure pressure is second only to driver skill and absolute throttle control in the snow and ice. You are right it’s a very different driving style

[@ImageLoX]

@@Scoobienorth That low of PSI works but you need to make sure your tire is rated for that. Running at that low of PSI will destroy average tires from the inside.

[@Scoobienorth]

@@ImageLoX that does happen, usually when you are aired down that far you Are driving really slow which avoids heat builds up. In the winter up in the mountains driving in snow you are playing for keeps at times and you need to know the absolute limit of your equipment. The difference at times between 4-5 psi and 2.5 can be a large difference and the difference between sliding over a Cliff or being stranded and comfortably driving

[@Scoobienorth]

@@ImageLoX and I’m not saying you should run at psi all the time. But if you are in trouble at 7 psi you can go lower. Again the mountains are mean and can show no mercy. Knowing the absolute limit if your stuff is key. So often when rescuing people or heading newbs with us is all about 2 things. Tire pressure and gentle throttle, stepping on eggs to not spin

[@jeffherring6279]

Is bigger usually better when it come to tires and winter off roading like you are doing?

[@WillSingForTacos]

Very helpful Thanks!

[@smokeGR14]

Baja boss a/t are the best.... big part of snow wheeling ..your tires should be 3peak snow rated...seriously you never mentioned that..2nd too wide of a tire is not always best ..it's about lbs per Sq inch. Contact patch...tires over 12.50 wide usually are not 3 peak rated

[@dantodhunter8373]

Great video, but need some way to buffer wind from your audio. Content of video is spot on, though.

[@desertchief5769]

I tried! haha the mic sock I had didn't do as good a job in that initial gust of wind we got. Thanks for the kind words!

[@thedealer799]

I run 5 psi fr and 3 psi rr on toyo m/t's on stock toyota wheels

[@candidcapture]

Does a center diff lock help? My GX had full time 4WD with a center lock and basic ATrac. 33" Trail Grappler M/T. 1st snow trip is at the end of the month.

[@shlomogoldstein3373]

Yes, make sure you engage the center diff. You will be fine

[@White_buffalo_4r]

great info keep it up

[@michaelbarrientos7693]

Thanks friendo

[@Kovacreation]

Mud tires are not the best in snow... except in very select snow.

[@alanjensen3283]

Must not snow too hard or have much ice where you come from. If you don't have chains up here in the rockies your fucked regardless of tires!

[@lederppz6202]

Audio is unbearable with background wind noise

[@TheRambler-pz1gx]

A lot of his advice is a joke. Especially about the tires,and chains. For everyone watching this ,and reading the comments do not take You Tubers as gospel. 75% of what they say is iffy at best,and the other 25% is spewing BS,and shilling products so they keep getting free shit! Have a good day!

[@DrivingLine]

75% of all statistics are made up. I've got years of experience wheeling in snow up here, and this advice has never steered me wrong!

[@Poacher91]

@@DrivingLine And yet you recommend M/T tires for driving in winter conditions? M/T tires are designed to expel mud from the tire and keep the treads clean for better traction in mud, that's the polar opposit from what you actually want from a winter tire. A dedicated winter tire has sipes that's small grooves in each tread block, the sipes job is to grip and hold on to snow to increase traction. I currently live in the arctic and I would never drive anywhere using M/T tires during the winter. I really think you will benefit from this video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oIKkh2iaop2YZrM Have a nice day

[@4477superman]

Nearly 2 minutes of intro before actually getting to the video

[@seymourbutz8513]

Your intro is too long