5 Bible Passages That Caused Me To Lose My Faith

In this episode, I share my personal experience with 5 Bible passages that sparked a profound shift in my faith. Join me as I delve into the scriptures that led me to question and reevaluate my beliefs.
Please keep in mind that all everything I say here is my subjective opinion, and is intended to deconstruct fundamentalist/evangelical/conservative Christian ideologies from an ex christian perspective
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[@deirdrehbrt]

I was in a cult called The Bible Speaks and in one sermon heard the pastor say "If you are raped and you survive, you have sinned because you did not resist unto death." As a survivor of CSA, this one hit hard. Some Christian churches are horrible.

[@rexpayne7836]

Where's their empathy and compassion. Stay strong. You're in control of your life, so live your best life. 🇦🇺 ❤

[@deirdrehbrt]

@rexpayne7836 I'll be 64 in a couple of weeks. For anyone who is considering leaving a cult, it's never too late. Also, there are churches out there that recognize that the Bible isn't, and wasn't ever meant to be taken as literally true. This whole bullshit about being the literal word of God was nothing but a means of control. The idea of the canon of scripture - who selected it? Who decided which books got in? Why can't Christian churches even decide? You've got the Catholic Bible, the Mormon Bible, the JW version, the potties canon, the Ethiopian Orthodox canon, to name a few. I'm still a Christian, but I no longer believe that the Bible is the inerrant and infallible word of God. I don't even believe that the canon of scripture that we call The Bible was somehow inspired by God. And I certainly take issue with much of what Paul said, and most of the Western church, and it's attitude against women (and other minorities) comes from him.

[@Plethorality]

Sounds like he did that to someone himself and is victim blaming to shift his own guilt. Its not a normal thing to sa about that situation. .

[@knudoboy]

There are many examples of pastors being perverts

[@deirdrehbrt]

@@knudoboy I've known more than one.

[@steamybags6338]

When I was struggling with faith I read the bible in a last ditch effort to find my purpose and it led me directly out of the church. What a ride.

[@SimplePerson-zq9tj]

Many shall fall away in The End Times, you are one of them if you really left your Faith

[@faizanfarooqui5226]

what about islam

[@Farzana831]

Maybe try reading the books of other religions? I assure you Everything that didn't make sense to you in Christianity will make sense in Islam. Don't think that Islam is what the western media shows bcz in Islam m***ering one person is the Second Biggest sin and those who do that only put dirt on the Relegion. Islam is much more than that. We believe in Jesus (pbuh) too! But as a prophet and we don't worship him. I invite you to Islam and being a Muslim means those who submit to God. Please read the Quran for at least once, you don't have to worry about believing just read❤

[@JohnPaulArt-lpz]

@@Farzana831 girl-

[@Farzana831]

@@JohnPaulArt-lpz yeah?

[@xMissPegasusx]

My grandfather was arrested when I was 12 years old, on account of sexually molesting at least a dozen girls (including his grandkids). I was told that he asked god and the pastor for forgiveness on his death bed a year later (in prison), and that it was wonderful that he would go to heaven now. I think that broke something in me. My sister later retorted that she would rather go to hell than to see him in heaven.

[@harveywabbit9541]

Some people prefer the winter season of snow (biblical Hell/Sheol).

[@Mastermirror89]

Just goes to show that Christianity and its teachings of heaven and hell have nothing at all to do with what we consider justice. All that matters to this god is whether or not you are willing to bow down and kiss his ass, as though he had the most fragile ego in existence. If a rapist is elligible for eternal paradise simply for being gullible enough and "feeling sorry", while their victims might end up in eternal torment simply for worshipping the wrong flavor of deity, then that system is as far removed as possible from actual justice. It's a joke, and an offensive one at that.

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@Mastermirror89 God never talks in the Bible. It's always the liars that talk.

[@Mastermirror89]

@@harveywabbit9541 I don't believe in god anyway, so something that doesn't exist can't talk to begin with. Regardless though, those are Christian teachings. Christianity very plainly states that whoever accepts Jesus as their savior and repents is elligible for eternal paradise, while the rest be damned. You could be the nicest person who ever lived, if you don't believe in Jesus, you'd still end up in hell. It's one of the reasons I despise Christianity so much. It tells people that they are born sick in a way (original sin) and that they are obliged to cure themselves. Reject the cure, which is Jesus obviously, and you're screwed. Even if I tried really hard, I'd have a hard time proposing a more immoral idea.

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@Mastermirror89 Religion has always been a synonym for insanity.

[@josephbyrtus8190]

She didnt lose her faith she found the truth and the truth will set you free

[@Broliterallymadeyou]

I responded to the video, if you want actual truth, please read it 1. You need to read these verses in the context of the entire book of romans, not just cherry picking them out of context. This is Paul referring to God's sovereignty, Justice, and Mercy. Essentially, if you want to enter the kingdom of God, you need to deserve it, because he is a perfectly just judge. "Deserving" it, would mean accepting Jesus' gift of salvation through worshipping God and repenting for your sins. If you fail to do this, It doesn't matter what your efforts are (what works you did on earth), and it doesn't matter what you want (If you want to go to heaven but you deserve hell). God is the one who decides your fate based on what you deserve, and who are you to question that? That's the context of that verse, It isn't God creating us to go to hell, it's the fact that if we don't deserve heaven, there is absolutely nothing we can do to change God's mind, and thinking you deserve heaven when God disagrees is blasphemous 2. Psalm 137 is set in the context of the Babylonian Exile, where the Israelites experienced profound grief and humiliation. The psalm expresses their longing for Jerusalem and their anger towards their captors. You ask a good question. If God is inspiring the Bible, Isn't this God who said this? The answer is no. When Christians say the Bible is inspired by God, they mean that God guided the human authors to convey His messages, but this process involved the authors' own perspectives and styles. When Mark says "I saw this happen" but he's inspired by God, is that God claiming to see something? No, God is inspiring him to convey a message, but the actual perspective of Mark is his own. Similarly, God inspired the authors of the Psalms to convey a message, but the way they do that, including the emotions they feel (resent, anger) is their own, not God's 3. In the ancient Near East, where these laws were written, a woman's status and future prospects were often tied to her virginity and her ability to marry. If a woman was raped, she would be seen as "damaged" or "disgraced" in that society, which could make it nearly impossible for her to find a husband. Since marriage was crucial for a woman's financial security and social standing, this law aimed to provide a form of protection, ensuring the man who violated her would take responsibility for her well-being. This is why the command specifies that the woman would be a virgin, and nowhere does it state men can't marry women who aren't virgins. This was one of the temporary laws given to the Israelites, and if you understand the social context of it, it's a pretty merciful command. With the arrival of the New Testament, Jesus abrogated this law with his teachings, and thus it is no longer is effect today, because again, it was temporary 4. Again please read the context of these verses. It doesn't command us to just go and have war with all of our neighboring cities. This was part of a series of commands, again temporary, to the Israelites. "Engaging in war with neighboring cities" was commanded in the context (read the chapter) of the conquest of Canaan, the land promised to the Israelites. This conquest was seen as part of fulfilling divine promises and establishing a homeland for the Israelites. The current inhabitants of this land (Canaanites) had been engaging in practices such as child sacrifice, mass murder, cultic prostitution, incest, idolatry, and oppression. After warning them, they did not stop, so God sent Israel to conquer their land in order to end this suffering. The purpose of these specific command in the verses you cited are to command Israelites to offer peace before conquering, rather than going in guns blazing. This succeeded in reducing bloodshed and avoiding unnecessary suffering. The command subjecting the Canaanites to forced labor served 2 purposes. Firstly, the alternative would be what? Killing them? Letting them be a part of society so they can continue their practices of child sacrifice and violence? Slavery is merciful considering your alternative is death, given that the Bible commands you to provide slaves with what they need and give them rest on the sabbath. Secondly, the act of taking captives in war was already something practiced by every nation at this point in history. Again, given the social context of this law, it's not abnormal, and when considering the goal behind the book of Deuteronomy, and the alternatives for the fate of the Canaanites, this is not Evil in any sense. 5. Yes God still loved the Canaanites, he demanded the conquest of their land in order to prevent the greater evil that would have been caused through their flourishing. God loved the women who were victims of abuse so much that he instated a command to protect them and keep them safe in a society that would deem them to be tarnished and spoiled and unworthy of love. Early church fathers and the successors of the disciples and apostles, as well as the successors of the 500+ people who witnessed Jesus' resurrection believed Jesus was God 2000 years ago, and created an entire structured belief system around it. It evolved and grew into trinitarian denominations of Christianity. You just blatantly lied here, Trinitarianism has been around for millennia. In case you haven't understood the reason for Christ's sacrifice, let me break it down for you: The qualifications to be worthy of heaven is sinlessness, but wait! No human is sinless, because Satan is much wiser than us and good at tempting us. God knows this, and thus, knows that the only way humans can get into heaven is if they can atone for their sins by paying the price of sin. If God simply forgives us for no reason, there is no atonement, and thus God is unjustly forgiving us, which he can't do because God is just. The price for sin is sacrifice, so before Christ, God commanded animal sacrifices to pay the price for one's sin (this was only meant to be temporary until the time for Christ arrived). This law was in effect until Jesus was sent down by the Father. Essentially, God knows that humans can't atone for their sins forever, because Satan is a lot smarter than we are. This means in order for us to beat Satan, we need God on our side, so God makes a plan to pay the price of our sin for us. But what sacrifice could possibly be so valuable, it can pay the price of all human sin? God himself. He sends down the Son, Jesus, to be a sacrifice to atone for the sins of humanity, and makes a covenant with us. Those who worship God has accepted the gift of Christ and has their sins atoned for them, thus they are worthy of paradise. Those who reject God choose to reject the gift, and thus choose separation from him. The act of sending himself down is a beautiful act of ultimate mercy and love.

[@cajyfernandes6708]

I am happy she found the truth. She is not alone.

[@user-wi9hv2pb2q]

Yes, she gained mental freedom, her birthright.

[@jonneexplorer]

@@Broliterallymadeyou what context makes slavery okay? What context makes rape okay? What context makes genocide okay? Saying you’re taking it out of context is a thought ending cliche, and makes you just as much an apologist for these horrific things as the Bible is. You’re now defending slavery sir… Think about what this disputable book made you do…

[@Broliterallymadeyou]

@@jonneexplorer Taking these at face value instead of actually looking into each instance is intellectually dishonest and you know that, because i answered all your questions but you chose not to address my explanation: Did you read what i wrote at all? The choice is between slavery and death. If God had killed all of them you would've said that's unfair, but when God chooses to give them an option to stay alive and work for the Israelites that's also unfair? That's a double standard Rape is not defended anywhere in the Bible. Again please read the verse, the guy is literally forced to look after and take care of the girl he assaults to keep her provided for and supported for her entire life since there's not a high chance she'll get married if she's not a virgin. That's a merciful command If a thief broke into your house with a gun and started walking to your child's room, would you shoot him? Why? To protect your children! The one death is ok because it prevents greater death. So if the Canaanites are preforming child sacrifice, incest, and mass murder/violence, and after being warned they show no intention of stopping, obviously killing them will lead to less suffering. It's to protect God's children I would greatly appreciate if you wouldn't twist my Bible, sir. If you think that God commanding these things is wrong, then you: - Are advocating for the mass murder of people who could have otherwise lived - Are saying women being assaulted should have to fend for themselves in a society that would reject them - Are advocating for unnecessary suffering and evil amongst humanity Who's corrupted now?

[@MikeyFig]

As an ex pastor and church planter now, I remember back then how i found myself skipping verses and not preaching on them like the ones mentioned. I said to myself that I haven't received "Revelation" on them yet. Then I questioned the bible as a whole. Then I questioned the organization called "CHURCH" as a whole. Then I stepped away to connect with my spiritual parent regarding my unanswered questions. I found myself without the noise, busyness of the organization and found a place of peace that I didn't have back then though I repeated that I did. I didn't turn to an evil person or back to the ways before "Christ". I still appreciate and love people as well as care for them. Funny how I used to say "It's relationship, not religion" without realizing "I was the religion". But now I am in relationship and not going back. In Relationship with my family, community, the earth and the universe. Peace

[@jad3laur3l]

I love this!

[@pauljordan8033]

Welcome to reality. We're glad you joined us!!

[@Shaybyday]

Amen!

[@blackholeentry3489]

@@dalevanderzee4086 NEVER FORGET...Religion and Collosal Ignorance have repeatedly been proven to dovetail together, and it has long been solidly proven.....The lower the IQ, the more apt one is to be religious! Over 4000 religions currently exist upon this earth... (Google it) ALL 'preach' their own brand of religion! Also, While it might NOT appeal to your internal glutationous....instead of man being a creation of God, God is, instead, fully an imaginary creation of man. (Praise Allah, but behind has back, sneak in a donation to both Budda and Jehovah!) BHE

[@proud05645]

​@@dalevanderzee4086 What makes ur or any gods idea of good better than anyone elses

[@waketp420]

My older brother came to me a week ago telling me hes beginning his deconversion process. He read every piece of scripture he could, studied the histories, and debated the gospel for 12 years. Even helped build a church. He said he stopped believing in the existence of God because he read into it, and studied it until he got the answers he needed. He read himself out of his faith.

[@bekksterlab]

Gotta give it to someone who knows and understands the truth but still says no. I mean, it sucks and it's apostacy. But hey, at least they are hating it for the right reasons.

[@waketp420]

@@bekksterlab I've been waiting for this moment for a long time. I knew I didn't believe in God when I was molested by 3 different men from my church, one of which was my father. If there was a God, it wanted me to suffer immensely, and since then, I've read the scriptures multiple times. I've picked them apart, and discovered its lies and hypocrisy. I tried to get my brother to follow, but he was in too deep at that point. I knew that he had to discover it for himself. He was so bad... He called me a "f*go*" to my face. Screamed it. Because I said I support LGBTQ+ .... he said God would have his way with me. He was... A lot. He was even a flat earther. So to have him, of all people, come to me, and tell me he no longer believes in the God that compelled him to abuse me, was something I never thought I'd witness. Gonna be interesting to see what he does next. Will he pick up a guitar again, and play some zeppelin like he use to? Will he play video games again? Will he wanna hang with me again?

[@plextors-playthroughs]

@@waketp420 God had nothing to do with your experiences. What you went through was due to humans being evil. God wants no one to suffer. He states this throughout The Bible. I think you, like many people, didn't grab what they read enough to understand what God was doing and why it was done just like the lady in the video regarding the Pharaoh. God doesn't just take humans and make them do evil things for no reason. Sorry to say, but your father molested you because he wanted to as well as the other men. People say why couldn't God help me when he is all powerful? Well, why didn't God help himself when he was being killed on the cross? God doesn't work that way all of the time. Sorry about your experiences because it sucks to hear someone especially a family member molesting their own. I can't imagine that pain.

[@bekksterlab]

@@waketp420 I'm so so sorry all of that happened to you. I don't know why God allows terrible things to happen all of the time. It's definitely hard to grapple with. I do know that he allows humans to be humans. For now, anyway. He gives everyone a choice and, man, being sinful and depraved, chooses evil. Christians included, we are sinful and depraved. The only difference being that a TRUE Christian knows their deep need for a God to save them. Depravity is a result of man, not God. We, as Christians believe that Jesus came to live his life as a human to teach people what love was, then to die, to further teach us love and to die on our behalf. We all deserve hell and death for wickedness. And he came to save us from the punishment we deserve. Not to send us to Hell, but save us from it. And one day, we believe (and desperately hope) that Jesus will come back, and bring justice. Not of LGBTQ+, as if that's his mortal enemy. He'll bring justice against all those evil people that did those things to you, and the "Christians" who scream slurs and bitterness and live in pride, and against all the other injustices and evils. And all those who suffered but kept faith in Him will be restored and blessed. All those children in slavery, and the families in the middle of wars, and the immigrants who are just protecting their family. All of them will get their justice. That's the true gospel. At the very least, know that. And know that Christ cried with you when that happened to you. And it hurt His heart too.

[@linklobster123]

@@waketp420 personally I have not had a hard life and it makes me sad that other people have seemed to turn from God. In John 16:33 God says that you will have a hard life but even in that hard life he is always with you "In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world"

[@maargenbx1454]

One of my favorite songs for a long time is “Closer to Fine” by the Indigo Girls. This sums it up: “There’s more than one answer to these questions, pointing me in a crooked line. And the less I seek my source for some definitive, the closer I am to fine”.

[@rationalsceptic7634]

It is always more rational to have questions you can't answer than answers you can't question!

[@Quarky07]

say something more rational then 1+1=2 then... it's an unquestionable answer and it is as rational and sane as it gets...

[@tylergodefroy8713]

prove it wrong and it will change thats science@@Quarky07​

[@ThefrenchFranz]

@@Quarky07 Hopefully, "2" is the answer to "How much make 1+1?". It couldn't be an answer if there wasn't a question first.

[@1GuyGaming]

@@Quarky07 math is unquestionable, I agree. Religion, however, is questionable. It is not rational to believe it, but not necessarily incorrect either. For example, some people are color blind, and even though color exists it would be hard to 100% legitimately prove it is there to them. The logical belief would be that it doesn't exist until everyone else says it does, it is easier to believe.

[@craigsmith1443]

@@1GuyGaming _It is not rational to believe it_ That seems a fairly limited definition of 'rational.' It would not be rational to love, then, or to use logic. What do you mean, 'rational'? _The logical belief would be that it doesn't exist until everyone else says it does, it is easier to believe._ I'm not sure what this means. It's never 'easier' to believe, that the reason Jesus said that 'few find it.' Relationships (which are rational but not infallible) are like that.

[@ilonabaier6042]

It ain’t those parts of the Bible that I can’t understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand. -Mark Twain

[@daydays12]

Such a clever, good, wise, witty man.

[@AnnWan-bs2xn]

God is patient and urges us to trust Him even though we might not understand everything. This world is not without purpose. I lived in the world without God, I thought I was happy but as the years went by and I got older, and my age mates died in their twenties, thirties, fourties' and I lived on , I wondered if I was truly happy. My siblings who were Christians seemed to be happier, had more peace, laughed genuinely, were not afraid of death, were not afraid of poverty, they sang Christian songs loud and cheerfully all the time. I had more money, more stuff but I had no joy. I wondered hoe can they be happier? Then by God’s Grace I got saved and now I have found that elusive joy, peace, happiness, I can never exchange it with anything. Not money, not fame, NOTHING will ever take the place of Christ in my life again. So I know., those who try to take away your faith have lost theirs and misery loves company.

[@huggybear539]

Yet, he was a devout christian. "the Savior is none the less a sacred Personage & a man should have no desire or disposition to refer to him lightly, profanely, or otherwise than with the profoundest reverence”. (quoted by Doug Aldridge in Mark Twain and the Brazen Serpent, p. 84)

[@ilonabaier6042]

@@AnnWan-bs2xn as they say, whatever works for you. For me, some of the meanest people I have met in my life have been so-called, devout, born-agains. Having this wisdom "I have found that elusive joy, peace, happiness." Those who are not of my opinion I do not condemn to hell, nor have I ever "tried to take away" one's faith.

[@cheshirecat6518]

​@@mauricemenard2243no such thing as hell. And if there were, God would definitely deserve to be there!😂

[@spewymcspewson]

A classic case of the quickest way to become an Atheist is to read the Bible.

[@antoninmlynarik6391]

No way, I have read Bible many times and I'm still christian.

[@varaprasad8736]

​@@antoninmlynarik6391 You haven't read it properly. Re-read it with sense and being humane.

[@antoninmlynarik6391]

I have read it very carefully several times and Im a human. But I uderstant that our society and ancient society is diferent. Diferent times an diferent societies means diferent rules and laws. Is big mistake judge 3 or 4 thousant years old rules by nowadays scales. In addition in this video is several missleading statement.

[@magnuseriksson5547]

​​@@antoninmlynarik6391 Same god though, right? So the rules and laws should be timeless. Or did god not know any better back in biblical times?

[@spewymcspewson]

@antoninmlynarik6391 you may have read it but clearly you don't understand it. It's all written by men who used to wipe their ass with their hand we've moved on a little from them. Killing gays and owning people shouldn't be something you advocate for that's disgusting.

[@conundrum2501]

I too was raised as a southern Baptist and I was about 7 years old when I caught on to the glaring gaps in logic. And when the representatives of the church not only failed to answer my questions but back peddled and told me that it was a sin to question God and that if I kept asking questions I turned away....at 7 years old. I went on a long journey lasting a twenty years deep diving every religion and mythology doing a comparative study of not only what they believe but the historical and social conditions that lead them to those beliefs. In the end I came to the conclusion that it was irrelevant. Either there is a soul or their isn't and if there is then it inherently contains all the knowledge I am seeking and my access to that knowledge is only limited by my temporary encapsulation in human form. So if I knew it before and I'll remember it after then my purpose for being here is not to try to remember or learn what I already know but to learn that which can only be learned in my present condition (how to be a human being) so I stopped seeking. Another decade later my personal experience has lead me to acceptance in a higher intelligence and a deeper reality. But not through blind unquestioning faith but rather deep and personally meaningful experience. But still not belief. Belief is dangerous. People fight and die and kill before they change a belief. But an idea is mutable it can evolve with new evidence.

[@irishnich4456]

An easy guide on how to interpret the bible, as practised by all Christians: 1. Any verse that says something nice and reasonable is to be taken literally and proves how great the bible is. 2. Any verse that says something outrageous and ridiculous is just a poetic metaphor and needs to be reinterpreted to mean something different.

[@christopherharper9932]

FACTS 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@robf1801]

well put.

[@justinfleming5119]

"Atheists'" guide to seeking out pretexts for anti-Christian bigotry: - Ignore everything in the Christian Gospels. - Hold everything in the Jewish Torah against Christians, ignoring Supecession. - Never hold the Torah against Jews; that would be "antisemitic".

[@bjornfeuerbacher5514]

@@justinfleming5119 " Ignore everything in the Christian Gospels. " Wrong, there is plenty of stuff in the Christian Gospels which gets addressed by Atheists all the time. Are you simply ignorant, or are you willfully lying? "Hold everything in the Jewish Torah against Christians, ignoring Supecession." Supecession is not even a word, what do you mean? Additionally, Jesus said specifically that he did not came to change the law (and he was clearly talking about the Torah there), not one single word of it. So obviously that should be binding to Christians, too. "Never hold the Torah against Jews; that would be "antisemitic"." Wrong again, there are also atheists who point out that the stuff in the Torah also is bad when Jews follow it, especially the Ultra-Orthodox jews are very often critized for that. Again, are you simply ignorant, or are you willfully lying?

[@justinfleming5119]

@@bjornfeuerbacher5514 I mean, you can say "nuh-uh" but it doesn't mean anything. "supersessionism" is a word you could've looked up but didn't. Internet atheists never look anything up. They just play telephone with the same handful of Torah quotes. Which, as noted, they never hold against jews. Or perhaps you can point me to even one among of the dozens of monetized YT internet "atheism" channels which doesn't fit the pattern of using "atheist" pretentions a thin veil for simple anti-Christian bigotry.

[@itsjustme0123]

Some of the best advice I've received was "Keep company with those who seek the truth, and run fast from those who say they've found it."

[@simionesentheogens3687]

drink ayahuasca and you'll become the heavens and universe

[@itsjustme0123]

@@simionesentheogens3687 Would be interested in trying for sure.

[@tatianarose7777]

Sheesh

[@bubblitzbubba3501]

I just avoid videos like these because they give me existential crisis. I refuse to believe we exist for nothing.

[@mountbrocken]

Is that true?

[@marvigli993]

I'm an old Italian woman, when I realised that I couldn't be a missionary in Africa because I'm a woman, I started to question the church. I was 7 years old, I'm 69 now & happy atheist.

[@BIayne]

Good for you.

[@lovestodesign]

@@marvigli993 So you took something you didn’t understand at SEVEN years old (I find it strange you were referred to as a “woman” at 7), when 62 years ago, women were discriminated against in many areas, not just religion. Maybe they were sending missionaries to unsafe areas and didn’t know if women would be safe. Maybe it was an area where women were getting raped. All you did was show the threadbare, flimsy excuses people use for being atheist. You don’t believe because you don’t want to, there’s no “reason” but you’re still going to meet God, and you’re still going to bow your knee before Jesus Christ, like it or not, then you’ll hear the words “Depart from me, I never knew you”. Unless you repent and turn to Jesus Christ your “happiness” will abruptly end when you take your last breath. And then you’ll wish you’d listened to all the “pesky Christians” who tried to tell you, but you turned a deaf ear. I wouldn’t be TOO smug if I was you. ✝️

[@freedompancakes301]

For me, it was the passage where God orders King Saul to kill all the Amalekites. He told him to kill everyone, even the infants and animals. I was read that passage in Sunday School when I was 16. I already was doubting my faith, but that really helped reassure my doubts. I had to sit there and listen to the Youth pastor argue why genocide was good because the group of people had previously attacked the Israelites, ignoring the fact that completely goes against the principle Jesus taught of "turn the other cheek". I watched all the other kids in the room be hesitant about their support of God's actions, but still keep the "well if it's God's plan" philosophy. I knew how dangerous this mentality can be, and was glad that I separated myself from it.

[@russellmiles2861]

So not YEHEH burning every last man women and child at Sodom despite Abraham imploring him not to. For me it was Noah getting pissed, raping his nephew and damming his clan for all time What a prat

[@ahmedopone4080]

I think it implies Noah was the guy that was molested. Nevertheless, doubtful as it is written after to justify actions against certain enemies.

[@russellmiles2861]

@@ahmedopone4080 Noah was still a prat for leaving the Unicorns behind

[@Equalshares]

Nephilim offspring and they were sacrificing their own children. Evil through and through the bloodlines

[@sethgyan]

@@russellmiles2861 Where's the verse for that?

[@Salsuero]

As an atheist who was once not, not by choice, but by happenstance of being born into the situation one is born into, I appreciate these. I will share them with anyone who I believe will benefit from a nudge of critical thought.

[@southernfriedheathen994]

I was raised in a fundamental christian family and community in the South East US. My parents, my aunts and uncles, neighbors, teachers; I was literally surrounded by these people. Despite their best efforts to indoctrinate me, I jokingly say that I must have always been a true divergent because, even though I faked it to spare conflict, I NEVER thought any of it made ANY sense. I asked a whole lot of questions and they really really hated that. I was always getting in trouble for asking questions. And the fact that I got in trouble for that, only perpetuated my disbelief. In my early years I was too young to come up with explanations on my own, but I was old enough to sense that religion was suspiciously deceptive. As I got older, becoming an atheist was a very natural progression for me. I'm so proud of who I am and I feel strong for deflecting indoctrination and evolving out of my childhood circumstances.

[@InformationIsTheEdge]

Congratulations on your mental emancipation. It seems you had a spark of curiosity that could not be extinguished or sidetracked. Good for you! You had the fortitude to withstand every pressure there is to conform. Family, friends, community, teachers but were still able to keep your curiosity. That is quite rare. You should be proud of who you are. It takes someone special to withstand what you did and remain intact.

[@tadpethtel8035]

My life experience was very similar to yours. From the start, I saw the bible, and the religion founded upon it, to be nothing more than a man made construct used as a tool of psychologocial manipulaton and control. I just never could turn off my ability to reason, which you absolutely have to do to if your are to have conviction of belief . Like you, I was always at odds with family because I questioned the contradictions, the hypocrisy, the corrupt history of the church....... Over time, learning more of the history of the religion and the bible has only strengthened that disbelief. There is just too much tangible, irrefutable evidence the proves the falsity of their foundational beliefs....that the bible is the divinely create perfect word of God and that the church the divinely chosen arbiter of it's interpretation. The only thing i will concede is that the people of faith, do find some contentment in their belief.....a means to be happy, but as we've seen in this country, we are very susceptible to delusional thinking. But for those of us who cannot simply turn off their ability to reason, it's impossible to live in such a cognitively dissonant way. I actually envy them in some ways, because they don't worry about what is real, credible, or true...because can just choose to believe....to have faith. They somehow are able to ignore the realities outside their bubble of delusion, because acknowledging them would destroy the bubble.

[@southernfriedheathen994]

@@tadpethtel8035 I agree. It's the "ignorance is bliss" mentality. I've said it many times, most people I know would completely crumble if forced to live an authentic reality. Delusion is their salvation. They simply don't possess the mental fortitude.

[@elkikex]

Story of my life...amen, brother 😂

[@WildandFree4]

Ex evangelical, now atheist here. You were the first person I came across, that helped me deconstruct my faith. You made me feel validated and not alone. Deconstruction is one of the hardest things I've gone through! A million thankyous Kristi 🥰💓🥰💓🥰

[@adamantiumbullet9215]

People think atheists are atheists because they *haven't* read the Bible. The fact is, most atheists become atheists because they *have* read the Bible.

[@polynesia8733]

Actually it wasn't this chick who helped deconstruct your faith....it was Jesus who sent this chick cause he didn't like your lack of discipline and didn't think you were a good fit because you didn't represent him well....he didn't want you. Like Bible says below 2 Thessalonians 2:11-13 New Living Translation 11 So God will cause them to be greatly deceived, and they will believe these lies. 12 Then they will be condemned for enjoying evil rather than believing the truth. God made you believe this jezebel chick according to this scripture cause frankly he found you lazy and wanting.

[@polynesia8733]

Also don't forget to to study Darwinism...so you can fully go to the darkside....also read alister crowlys books as well...and then don't forget about your horoscopes and tarot cards...dont want to miss out on all of those goodies from satan as well...oh and don't forget to pick up a Ouija board at your local Walmart fir some fun night time entertainment

[@todradmaker4297]

@@polynesia8733 Why so much hate?

[@nightoffbaldman]

@@polynesia8733why does science scare you?

[@auroraasleep]

The SA/forced marriage verse always bothered me, so I asked one of my Jewish friends about it and she chuckled and said, 'yes, but he has to sleep next to her every night for the rest of his life, and think about Yael.' I'm not satisfied with that answer either, because too many women are prisoners in unwilling and unhappy marriages for their entire lives into old age.

[@connorallgood0922]

This is where they get it wrong, the translation is meant to be "intercourse" not "rape". If a man and women have sex before marraige, they are to be married and the man pay the father of the women. It is still sinful and they will be judged for it by God. Women are allowed to get divorced, but it is sinful for them to remarry, but God still calls on people to marry them, even if it is sinful for the man had divorced them depriving them of a marriage and sex.

[@crisanthon4867]

A few verses before that, it rebukes rape. This is a translation error because of modern translations

[@rodshop5897]

@@connorallgood0922 "This is where they get it wrong, the translation is meant to be "intercourse" not "rape"." What is your evidence for your claim?

[@connorallgood0922]

@@rodshop5897 Do you not know how translating works? Google it if you need to, I can't show you physical documents or study notes online.

[@Es_gee]

​@@rodshop5897his silence speaks volumes

[@docsmellyfella]

Why cant people just be nice to each other without the threat of not meeting their imaginary friend when they die?

[@lovestodesign]

I have a relationship with Jesus Christ and I read the Word of God and I love it.❤️If a person doesn’t have the Holy Spirit in them, the Bible will seem dry to them, but I’ve witnessed so many miracles, I could write a book about it. It really is about relationship. No one that leaves Christ that easily is a true Christian, they were just fooling themselves. The Bible talks about those that walk away at the first sign of trouble, that they weren’t true disciples. Many are on this thread. And it’s not about church, either. I went to the same church for years until it started being weird about some things, then I left, but I feel closer to God now than ever, still praying every day, and reading the Word, and still loving it. ❤️

[@Jopie350]

Because they feel instructed to do so, and are afraid for punishement when they don't..... Its sad

[@sentoo7606]

@@lovestodesign And thats one of the reasons i really cant with christians anymore. To pretend the world is simple and that every person, who left thier religion, simply wasnt a true belivier is stupid. You dont know shit about the persons life and what theyve been threw, but of course it was them simply not beliving enough... I left christianity cause of the "holy" book. If you read it obejetivly once, you cant unsee how unholy and human this book is. Alone the fact, that a supreme, allknowing, allmighty beeing is pretty much ignoring humanity for 300.000 years, to then decide to drop a book just in one country, written by humans, in a time where 99,9% of all people are illiterate...doesnt sound like a godly marketing strategy, more like human work

[@sarahhale-pearson533]

Reading the bible in earnest was what cured me of Christianity too.

[@curtisdeckard7325]

What cured me. Lol. I like that.

[@paul3441]

You may have read it "in earnest," but you didn't read it "in the Spirit." God bless.

[@paul3441]

@@curtisdeckard7325 Wow, so you've been "cured" of salvation, I suppose...

[@schaekker7411]

i love it when xtians get in comment sections of all these social media sites on the internet & begin to announce what god can do or is allowed to do based on if their feelings get hurt

[@allinone-qz2gi]

@@schaekker7411 100%

[@j.whisper2379]

“I’d rather have questions I can’t answer than answers I can’t question.“ Richard Feynman.

[@Bethoflife]

I prefer questions I can't answer, because I learn so much more looking for the answers as opposed to what I know already.

[@snehakota6068]

No believer who is reasonable would say not to have doubts. By all means, inquire about your doubts but have an open mind to receive the answers. If you are not satisfied, research more. You will definitely find the truth if you really want to.

[@j.whisper2379]

@@snehakota6068 ! Truth about what? I already know that there is no god!

[@snehakota6068]

@@j.whisper2379 what if you're wrong? You might stay in ignorance assuming that you know the truth. I can understand the supernatural can be overwhelming and uncomfortable to someone who's never experienced it. But, God does exist and I personally experienced his presence in my life which transformed my life and is still doing. If you decide to dismiss tons of testimonies in the world and continue believing what is comfortable to you, then it's you who'd be on the losing end, if what the believers of Jesus are saying is the truth. Do your own research. Peace.

[@j.whisper2379]

@@snehakota6068 ! I live in Mexico, and yesterday I was chased by a chupacabra! Changed my entire outlook on life! And what if you are kow towing to the wrong god! There are thousands!

[@mattalley4330]

I attended and graduated from a Bible college about three years before deconverting from Christianity. While I did not major in biblical studies everyone had to take a certain number of Bible classes regardless of major. I would not portray myself as an expert on this ancient text but I would bet my next paycheck that my knowledge is deeper than the average Joe or Jane Churchgoer. My professors there encouraged me to ask tough questions regarding my faith. Some might say this advice backfired but I view this as intellectual honesty that I still respect today. edit- I guess the point I didn’t eventually get around to making was that my knowledge of the Bible helped rather than prevented my eventual deconversion.

[@victorwest8041]

Any religious book that tries to justify mass murder, human sacrifice and a God that commands his people to murder is a worthless piece of garbage, it deserves NO RESPECT.

[@blackholeentry3489]

So, mattalley, may I assume you've lost your religion? Try being 'forced' to attend church you do NOT want to attend. In the early 50's, my folks moved to Laurelwood, OR....primarily a Seventh Day Adventist community, and, for the three years we lived there, was the only time my religious folks didn't attend some kind of church....and drag we five kids along, of which I was the eldest. We three school age children walked a full two miles each way to a small one room school, (rain, snow, or shine) where one teacher tried to teach seven grades a wide range of subjects....then my mother secured a job in a town 25 miles away.. I elected to stay with an older couple for the final seven weeks of the school year, so I could finish the 7th grade...While there, they 'forced' me to attend their SDA church, and is what I give full credit to morphing into the solid atheist I remain to this day. On the final day of school, I had my bicycle packed with all of my possessions somehow tied on, rode to school for a half day and them rode the 25 miles to where my folks had moved. Looking back....I guess I should be gratefull they gave me a home to live wihin, but being forced to attend a 'Full of Rotten Balogna Church' offset a lot of things. And....now....almost 70 years later, while a lifetime astronomer, I do remain an atheist....and, give full 'credit' to Seventh Day Adventists.....and, thier Saturday religion.....although....recently been giving some serious thought about creating a church whose main services occur on Wednesday! Do I hear a loud 'AMEN?' BHE

[@SuperAllv]

@mattalley4330 @blackholeentry3489 God Bless You Both , I will Pray For You Both And I Pray That You Both Let The Lord Jesus Christ Back into Your Life’s. God Bless ✝️❤️🙏

[@kenshiloh]

@@blackholeentry3489 I had a similar situation, only it was a negative experience raised by an atheist. Should my experience dictate to me the final mysteries of life and the universe? I hope that you will consider Christ. He will judge the world in righteousness. How will you do? If you have lied and stolen, you would face God as a lying thief. Yet, Christ died on a Cross so that you may know Him. Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

[@grizzlycharizard0017]

​@@SuperAllv When you have an open and intelligent mind, you will question everything you have learned.

[@PGGraham]

After struggling with the death of my brother, I really really dug into my bible, trying to find some peace trying to find some answers, and all I found was inconsistencies and abused. And so I did exactly what you said. I tried to imagine it would be like not to believe for a minute, And so I did I chose not to believe. I chose not to believe for about 5 minutes. And once I was freed of that yoke of belief, I realized that I didn't have to believe, and that I didn't believe, and I've never come back to the church again, and I have since become an atheist.

[@Coby_Got]

Great video. I was born Jewish but have been Agnostic for a long time now. As a child I saw all the immorality of religion and have been distancing myself ever since. Pointing out these parts of those books is the only way to get people to see how crazy it all is. Thank you.

[@TheSignofJonah777]

Outside of religion there is no objective morality. Please study philosophy before you comment

[@dvdrtrgn]

@@TheSignofJonah777 there is no objective morality within religion. Please think before you comment.

[@TheSignofJonah777]

@@dvdrtrgn 😂 yes the religion objectively tells you what’s okay or not. It is an outside agency away from a human.

[@dvdrtrgn]

@@TheSignofJonah777 you are presupposing religion isn't created by humans!?

[@sallygirl1012]

@@dvdrtrgn😂😂

[@toddhemphill1030]

I "lost my religion" in 1964 when I was 9 years old. (Long story) Then in 2012 I decided, just to be fair, to read the Bible from cover to cover. Having done that I'm amazed that you were able to limit this list to just five passages. I read 5-10 pages a day and was gob-smacked on a regular basis by how cruel and inane it all was. But, I have to say, the 5 you selected were a fine sampling!

[@republicansthatdidntvotefo1605]

I also read the bible.. Her first one.. The pottery for special uses= Equals god's profits..or common uses= Me and you.. A murderer or a thief Or child molester can't just choose God You know how retarded that sounds. God chooses you when you come to him with a pure heart.. That being said, Jesus said you will be known by your deeds..

[@rickmcdonald1557]

AGREE~!!

[@andrewferg8737]

"how cruel and inane it all was" --- The Bible is a book about evil addressed to a world enamored of evil. Are you suggesting that evil should be portrayed in a more positive light and less "cruel and inane"?

[@user-xj6pm5gd9o]

What you cannot Spiritually digest, will not blind perception in the minds of those who can Consume it.

[@stambo1983]

​@@andrewferg8737With God being the most evil character in the bible.

[@blinzy7282]

Notes: Romans 9:16 Psalms 137:9 Deuteronomy 22:28 Deuteronomy 20:10 John 3:16

[@Ogofor3913]

​@jessicaras4540I HOPE YOU KNOW THAT THERE ARE MANY MORE BOOKS WRITTEN ABOUT THIS SAME JESUS THAT WAS REJECTED. Who gave them the authority to reject those other books, not Jesus. So all these quotes you are making (with so much conviction) were decided by people like you and me. NOT JESUS or Paul or PETER but by pagan Converts.

[@Alden-Smith]

​@yaksmj3913 its cause they weren't Canon bible books.

[@Ogofor3913]

@@Alden-Smith Who made the DECISION about writing being fit to be Canon OR non-Canon?? On what authority did they make such decisions??

[@Alden-Smith]

@yaksmj3913 only books written by real Christians and were part of the apostles are considered real Christian books

[@Alden-Smith]

@@Ogofor3913 Mark and Luke were mentioned

[@allinone-qz2gi]

This is the first video of hers that I've seen. As far as the negative comments she gets, to me it's just very clear that being angry with her is being angry at the messenger, not the message. Rather than pick on her, analyze your religious text and see what's going wrong and why it's turning people away.

[@paul3441]

It's your sin, allinone, that's turning you away from God. You can only love God or sin. Repent or perish. Choose life...

[@nicsmada]

🙄 UMMM... IT'S NOT TURNING PEOPLE AWAY. PEOPLE THEMSELVES ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO CAN TURN THEMSELVES AWAY. NO MATTER WHAT ANYONE OTHER THAN ONE'S SELF SAYS OR ACKNOWLEDGES IT'S WITHOUT QUESTION THE INDIVIDUAL'S FINAL DECISION. IT'S ADDED IN THAT LONG LIST OF THINGS IN LIFE CALLED... RESPONSIBLITIES. TAKE IT.

[@allinone-qz2gi]

@@paul3441 Once again (just like I mentioned in my comment) you're picking a fight with the messenger. You don't know anything about me yet you're assuming I'm a sinner because you don't like what I said.

[@allinone-qz2gi]

@@nicsmada Writing in all caps doesn't make you right.

[@nicsmada]

@@allinone-qz2gi 😒 AWW MAN. 🤔 WELL... HEY, AT LEAST YOU NOTICED! 🤷‍♂️

[@zerocero5850]

Kristi, as someone who was brought up outside of the absurdity of religion, I haven’t had to deal with your struggle, but I so admire the intellectual wherewithal and emotional courage it took you to do what you are doing. We need more people like you. Our fate as a species depends on it.

[@johnrowell1711]

Sorry, but Romans 9 says NOTHING about sending anyone to hell. Quote it straight or shut the hell up!!!!!!!!

[@davidstirk4732]

​Religions give false hope in a non-existent second blissful life. Find meaning in this life. Family, friends, altruism. Try and work towards human flourishing. Reduce suffering where you can. Dignity, cooperation and compassion. These are all meaningful and are not pie in the sky when you die. Try and leave the world a better place because you were here. There is no supernatural realm.

[@BrianBrayMedia]

@CannabisDreams Just because you don't believe in a god doesn't mean you don't believe in anything, and all the time not wasted in prayer and church attendance allows you to achieve more. No hope for tomorrow? What does god belief have to do with hope for tomorrow?

[@jasfan8247]

Haha, intellect and emotion are tools of satan to make you believe you can think. Explaining and confusing men-made words with believing is exactly what she is doing, satan is pleased! God doesn't care at all.

[@omariwashington2570]

​@CannabisDreamsif you are a true Christian you wouldn't be saying this so rudely

[@PumpkinMozie]

The intro was spot on. I went from a devout Catholic constantly living in fear and shame to just a regular person doing my best day to day, comfortable with the fact that I don’t know what comes next. And that’s okay. It’s okay to not know sometimes.

[@janelleabbott2227]

When we accept Gods word satan will try to destroy and come at you more. This is when your faith is tested. My depressionn and fear brought me closer to the Lord. I still have a difficult time with getting out to find. But this is just another issue I am working on with the Lord guiding me. Patience😊❤

[@314159265mangler]

Uncertainty is at the core of life and gives it both richness and hope. Bravery is embracing uncertainty and accepting it as a fact of life. You lived in fear and now you live in bravery - I admire you for making this choice as it is not the easy path. But I believe it is the truth. I don’t know, and nobody knows. All we can do is be the best people we can be. That’s all that matters. I don’t need to believe in God to act that way, and indeed one should act that way out of one’s own desire to be a better person, and not for fear of offending some “god”. Usually these conceptions of god are of a vengeful, narcissistic, immature creature - why on earth would anyone choose to worship that? God should be an example, an aspiration, the ultimate asymptote of moral behaviour, and not this sociopathic, judgemental creature of the old testament. If god is not even better than us, what’s the point?

[@universallygood]

Running from the truth does not change it, it will still happen. Trust me, God seeks for all sinners to be saved

[@AxhenioShkurti]

The word "Do not be afraid" is written 365 times in the Bible, for a reason. If you got to believe in Jesus, just from the fear of hell you never knew Him. God is not inside a church. God is spirit and we worship him in spirit. What got you out was the humans, not God.

[@veteranturttle5554]

When i was younger growing up in a protestant household i always heard the raod to hell is wide and the road to heaven is narrow... wtf is this love and peace it sounds more like American ninja warrior 😂

[@RickaramaTrama-lc1ys]

But I believe in Ninja Warriors~!!

[@SamuelQuaye-zs4uc]

Allen Parr from THE BEAT by Allen Parr reacted very well to this video. Those seeking truth and are not just looking for an excuse to leave Christianity please check it out

[@SimplePerson-zq9tj]

@@SamuelQuaye-zs4uc Allen Parr is a false teacher, but would like to see the video btw, anyways about him being a false teacher, check out @fuegosavvy

[@paodealho6795]

It's easier to live a life that leads to hell without any sacrifices. You are alwasy on tkme to get back on track for eternal life.

[@rohanking12able]

I rarely screenshot but you cooked

[@timweaver4551]

Well done. I've had many former Christians tell me that what turned them away was reading the bible for themselves.

[@seektruth5074]

@akashic seer What a peculiar comment. “The most evil book on earth?” We are truly living in a time when good is evil and evil is good.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@akashic seer Ask him to read Deuteronomy 21, Judges 21, and 2 Samuel 24, next...! (Seek Truth, that is)

[@polynesia8733]

They were never Christians...former or otherwise

[@resaucefull444]

​@@polynesia8733that's what all Christians say...

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@@polynesia8733 Well, if you do not fulfil John 14:12-13, say... then how, do we know you are?

[@christopherclayton7688]

I am totally comfortable and proud to say I don't know what happens after death, just live my life the best way I can each and every day.

[@daydays12]

The same here. Where were we before we were born? The same place as after we die.

[@AnnWan-bs2xn]

The one who created you, who knows how you came about, says, “I created you, that one day I might spend eternity with you,.trust me and be patient. I love you. That is why I send My Son to die for you” Myself I have nothing to lose by accepting Him. I know that out there there is a creator, there is no way all we see around is by chance. So, He who has claimed me, I will trust Him. I have nothing to loose if I do. If there is nothing out there I lose nothing, if there is something I gain everything. I think a smart thing to do.

[@soobinism]

​​​​@@AnnWan-bs2xnWhat if a god besides the one you believe in is true? What if that god decides to punish you more for devoting yourself to a popular false god, compared to punishing an atheist lightly for not choosing any god? Pascal's wager only works if there's only one possible religion, which we would have no way of knowing anyway.

[@jaysenossai7165]

Ignorance of a law is not an excuse.

[@_Somsnosa_]

​@@jaysenossai7165Exactly, everyone should obey hindu scripture and gain good karma. Praise Lord Krishna 😊

[@jimlowry214]

I appreciate your Struggle. Thank you for your courage. As an adopted orphan, I was taught the Bible. Through many decades, I walked out or was thrown out of organized religion. I believe that Faith is an inherent scientific fact. I believe with Our Eternal Parents all things are possible. I believe the World they gave us was commandeered and usurped by hostile entities. The resultant Societies grew together in Cultural Homogeneity. Our Father and Mother taught us all Divine Love and to be loving and gracious to our neighbors.

[@LOwens-xf8yo]

My name is Leah and my mother told me it was a biblical name, so as a good 7-8 year old Catholic girl, I ran to my Bible and looked it up to read about my biblical namesake. Omg! Reading the story of Leah’s life was traumatizing! There is nothing about her life story that suggests the existence of a loving god! It was the beginning of the end of my faith. The Bible is some scary sh-t! Thank you for sharing your stories! I’m all in! So many christians use the “cafeteria” approach, picking the best parts of the Bible & ignoring the horrors (slavery, genocide, homophobia, sexism, etc), yet still believe the Bible speaks truth. If every person is allowed to pick and chose, then how could the Bible be the moral standard? Instead each person chooses only what seems reasonable to them, by applying their own individual moral standard. Proving the Bible doesn’t give us values, it only provides a selection of values to chose from. No wonder there are thousands of different versions of christianity, all believing their version and their version alone is the true path to heaven. Nothing perfect about that perfect word!

[@craigsmith1443]

_There is nothing about her life story that suggests the existence of a loving god!_ Perhaps you should read it again? The stories in the Bible often are not meant to dun into us the concept of a 'loving God,' but rather to show us God's love in spite of the wrong that we do (as in the way that both Jacob and Laban treated Leah). Leah bore six of the twelve ancestors of Israel, including Levi, the head of the priestly tribe, and Judah, from whom descended David and Jesus. Not bad, and I would guess that Leah would consider that worth the trouble. Trouble there was, but the end of it is good. _So many christians use the “cafeteria” approach, picking the best parts of the Bible & ignoring the horrors_ Only some, and they are joined by atheists and agnostics who do precisely the same, picking the horrors perpetrated by people and ignoring the good that God brings out of it all --- like the Crucifixion followed by the Resurrection. _If every person is allowed to pick and chose, then how could the Bible be the moral standard?_ 'Pick and choose'? The Bible never says that, and people usually know better but do it anyway, which is what people usually do in all situations. It causes many problems, including is, say, marriage. _ Proving the Bible doesn’t give us values, it only provides a selection of values to chose from_ No, it only 'proves' that people pick and choose. It says nothing about the Bible. You think of 'morality' as somehow natural or amenable to us moderns, but it is not. Most if not all the morality of which you approve is from the Bible. Most of that is what God has instilled in us from the beginning. _ No wonder there are thousands of different versions of christianity_ Not at all. We are just varied, like the rest of the world. We all have a journey, we all walk it at different paces along different paths because not all snowflakes are identical, not all flowers are identical, not all blades of grass or stripes on zebras, even the apostles and saints are all different. Why not the rest of us? _Nothing perfect about that perfect word!_ I think that that has the wrong definition of 'word.' Jesus is the Word.

[@stevesheppardmusic]

​@@craigsmith1443 and the real word is even simpler "Mythology"

[@craigsmith1443]

@@stevesheppardmusic 'Mythology' is not at all 'simple.'

[@shaqyardie8105]

@@craigsmith1443 What evidence do you have that a god exists? The bible is a book of claims, not evidence.

[@craigsmith1443]

@@shaqyardie8105 _The bible is a book of claims, not evidence_ No, Jesus is the claim. The Bible is evidence. So are the lives of the saints.

[@jessrodriguez2605]

If he does exist, he’s a raging narcissist

[@multi-milliondollarmike5127]

Absolutely.

[@EiferBrennan]

Thank fuck he doesn't.

[@compilation8104]

and how do you know that?? haa

[@multi-milliondollarmike5127]

@@compilation8104 Have you read the old testament?

[@bradzimmerman3171]

@@compilation8104No unless you can prove the “coward “exists,ha that’s what I thought

[@gi4dtv230]

When I bring out those things in the Bible, they usually excuse it by stating, "That was in the old testament, but now we have Jesus in the new testament." In other words, we pay attention to that while ignoring the rest.

[@MrDalisclock]

I've noticed a lot of Christians will do anything to hardwave away the Hebrew Bible except for those parts that they think reference Jesus like Isaiah 53. It's very selective and self serving.

[@robf1801]

And yet Jesus claimed to be the son of the OT God Yahweh, and never corrected any of the OT. The OT God is obviously a made-up tribal war God, and Jesus a delusional preacher who thought he was that God's 'son'.

[@billsanter]

@@robf1801 Jesus never really claimed to be God himself in the BIble. He may have called himself the son of God but he also called everyone else sons of God as well. He was rather cryptic about it. This idea really only became cemented in the Christian Faith in the fourth century .

[@ianlaughlin85]

That's what my parents do. "OH, that's the old testament". It's impossible to have a conversation with them.

[@robf1801]

@@billsanter okay then he was a favored agent of Yahweh or however you want to put it.

[@frogital]

I needed this. I left the church almost 30 years ago and I am reconciling a lot of things now having just gotten divorced. But comments like "oh, they're a good Christian" always rang hollow for me; we see a lot of examples every day how faith and ethics do not necessarily intersect. Anyway. I just subscribed and I'm looking forward to watching more of your videos. All the best!

[@rajivgoes6]

Kristy, As a former Christian, I've been on this journey for the last 3 years. I tried to search for the answers/truth everywhere. Im so glad I found your channel. I hope people will be awakened sooner or later.

[@marcdes6316]

3:18 As a ex-christian, when I meet christians who asserts that god gave free will, I share Romans 9 and ask them what is the plain meaning of the chapter. They try to give various explanations but I drive them back by asking them does it align with the plain meaning of the chapter.

[@johnheaton5058]

If I understand you correctly you're saying that predestination and free will are incompatible?

[@marcdes6316]

@@johnheaton5058 that's for the christian I'm asking to sort them out. It will depend on the degree of free will humans have and the scope of god's predestination.

[@user-ne1pn8ih4j]

Like just the chapter 9 in general? Are there any specific verses or just that chapter?

[@roleplayer5564]

​@johnheaton5058 I would say that if the outcome is already determined, free will cannot exist. Yes you can have the illusion of free will, but what you choose cannot have a different outcome, it's not a choice. It's like if you can pick one of two doors to go into but they both lead to the same place, did you have a choice? Yeah you can feel like you picked by your choice didn't matter at all

[@stephenspackman5573]

@@roleplayer5564 Free will arises not from randomness but from Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem. It is a mathematical fact that you cannot reliably predict your own future actions; therefore you have free will even in a rigidly deterministic universe. It is _you_ that makes your choices, and no one, not even you yourself, can predict them. Indeed, it seems to me that the amount of free will you have is reduced by randomness. How is it “you” that chose if an outcome was arrived at by the toss of a coin and not by the operation of your own internal logic? The word “will” implies that you are in fact in control, that the outcome is in fact determined by you and by who you are. (This discussion always puzzles me, since the popular conception always seems to be the reverse of what logic tells us.)

[@batsls1]

I love the first thing you said about getting to a place where you can accept not knowing the answers to the mystery of life. That's been a part of my process as well (formerly religious Jew). I think it's actually a sign of normal and healthy maturity to get to that point, but those in fundamentalist religions aren't given the chance to mature in that way. They have to hold tight to their doctrine.

[@jezebelvibes]

Definitely. It's very hard to embrace the unknown, but I think it can also be very liberating to just admit that we don't have all the answers. And that's ok.

[@batsls1]

@@jezebelvibes yes and to just live your life, as you said, without extra externally imposed rules

[@berkslaw]

You wouldn't know about, nor fear the "unknown" were it not for indoctrination. Why are Christians worried about YOUR soul being damned to eternal hell when THEY won't be there? "Life AFTER death" ? "Eternal life"? What? Now THAT'S selfish.

[@MariaPedersen-mq5hk]

I love this. I did find a new spiritual path after some time as an atheist, but it's different this time. I'm happy to admit that I really don't have many answers and I'm just following what I find personally helpful. I can be happy for other people doing the same and don't feel the need to tell everyone what I believe all the time.

[@theunclejesusshow8260]

They're led to believe they can never ride their bikes without Training Wheels. May their Pickle Jars of Indoctrination be Broken

[@ulysisxtr]

You have a point. We should question everything. But be careful not to ignore the everything else. Think of it like this: where are you? Where did you grow up? How safe are you? What morals do the people in your community follow? Now think about 2k years ago, or if you don't want to just try to understand the modern places that where mentioned in the whole bible. What are the worries of people who don't have the luxury of the life you have. Now think about the things you disagree with might make sense in another situation. I am glad you question the bible, we all should. But question context, question the world, see the big picture. Take care

[@kevdmiller]

This is exactly what made me first express doubt in The Bible: READING it. I found stuff in there that totally went against my understanding of morality. But you shared some horrifying ones I hadn't heard. Just despicable stuff. It was proof to me that at the Bible is at the very least, contorted by human awfulness.

[@kevinmalone3210]

You can read it, but come up with wrong conclusions about what you read in the Bible. Those verses you read, can easily be taken out of context.

[@stevepierce6467]

@@kevinmalone3210 Yes, I am sure that when "god" ordered the Israelites to totally destroy the Canaanites, I am just taking this open contradiction of the commandment to not kill out of context.

[@aceragain]

"I found stuff in there that totally went against my understanding of morality." By far the biggest reason people choose to not believe eternal truth as revealed in the Bible. But if you are unable to perfectly describe morality, how can you claim to accurately determine if something is moral or not? The "I don't know exactly what it is but I can tell you what it's not" approach used by you and many other commenters here is completely bogus. If you do not have a completely flawless understanding of morality, you have no place judging what is or is not moral. So, since none of us have a completely flawless understanding of morality, what option remains? Morality has a source, just as all things do. We must find and align ourselves with the source, not so we can proclaim to now be the source ourselves, but so we can have our thoughts and deeds saturated in that source. The main problem is that most people reject the true source of morality since it seems to grate against their flawed concept of it. Talk about cyclical reasoning! "I can't accept the Bible as the true source of morality!" "Why?" "Because it doesn't agree with my understanding of morality!" "Do you have a perfect understanding of morality?" "Well, no...but I’m searching - trying to keep an open mind." "So, wouldn't you expect the true source of morality, once you find it, to present numerous contradictions when compared to your imperfect concept of morality?" "Huh...what? Okay, maybe, but I know the Bible isn't moral!" "And why is that?" "Because it doesn't agree with my understanding of morality!" (ad nauseam) OMT; the two main sources of morality are love (compassion, if you prefer) and mercy. Once you find the source of those, you will be able to better understand morality.

[@stevepierce6467]

@@aceragain Most everyone knows what morality is. It is the social code of acceptable and unacceptable behaviors in any given society, with many and sometimes confusing variants depending on region, social class and church. For some, a skirt above X height is immoral. For others it is immoral for people to cheat on their taxes, or lie about important things. Some find it immoral for women to appear in public uncovered, or to do any work on the sabbath. Our societies are so diverse and complex that it is difficult to know for sure what is considered correct. There is absolutely not anyone who has a "completely flawless understanding of morality," but as members of a society, we all have a "place judging what is or is not moral." Love and mercy have nothing to do with morality, just society-wide norms of behavior.

[@OpcertSchool]

@@stevepierce6467 "Love and mercy have nothing to do with morality..." It is no wonder you are so confused about what morality is if you truly believe this. While your refusal to recognize that there is an absolute source of morality affects your life (and those around you), it does not invalidate that fact.

[@VeganWithAraygun]

Wisdom is explified with this statement, no matter who first said this: "I'd rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned."

[@oriza2]

Isn't it a quote of Feynman?

[@VeganWithAraygun]

@@oriza2 Winner! Winner! 💯🎯 I just looked it up on Phind.

[@thomasmaughan4798]

You can have both!

[@hukman707]

I seek wisdom and understanding knowing that I'm but a fool. I know what the Bible says but am constantly in the state of reproof by it. I never question the bible as truth but my understanding of it.

[@jeffgreenawalt6006]

Excellent video, Kristi! In my journey, I also found many such things in the Bible that seemed like ancient people trying to make sense out of a world they could not understand and telling myths that don't at all correspond with my experience on this planet. Keep up the great work, please!

[@TheSignofJonah777]

Of course that would be in the Bible. Gods inspiration with undertones of their experience and writing style.

[@larryscarr3897]

​@@TheSignofJonah777don't need the wizard part, just the know nothing people part.

[@TheSignofJonah777]

@@larryscarr3897 do you expect ancient people to be nuclear scientists? You fail to understand that for there to be a universe you need a pre existing creator.

[@larryscarr3897]

@@TheSignofJonah777 oh?? so special pleading? What created the creator,? You would say the creator was always there, well the universe was always there, and we can toss the magic. I've heard all the apologetic garbage, its all stupid childish nonsense. The big bang is not the creation of the universe its the change from one state to the current state, it was always there no creator magic necessary its all natural process. The universe had no choice but to bang big, and its still banging right now. We can see it happening, what we can't see, is any god crap ever!!!!

[@larryscarr3897]

@@TheSignofJonah777 ... and I expect ancient people to know nothing about anything and be wrong about everything.. And thats what we find.

[@forgottenhelm1299]

Former Street Preaching Calvinist here, great content. I no longer believe myself and try to help my children see the history of the religion I was raised on (and them) and how it's been used to horribly and systemically oppress people of every race and gender that isn't male.

[@kidcthulhufortney1320]

This has been really interesting. I was raised non-religious and I've been an atheist for a long time. So I was never convinced. But in my webcomic, I try to show worldviews beyond my own. Getting these inside perspectives helps me be a better writer as well as just being a fascinating look behind the curtain.

[@tanyaosterman]

Your words sound more Agnostic. I think exploring that would be a beneficial path for you. Best wishes!

[@zoeye7095]

It certainly is a different world. Even now sometimes I'll say things and my non Christian friends will look at me like I am SO weird. Lol. It really does set you apart a bit from non religious people even as an adult because there are experiences I missed out on as a kid or teen that other people talk about that's just a part of that generation that I didn't experience at that age. So when some friends get nostalgic sometimes, I have nothing to contribute to the conversation even though it was so common for everyone else at the time from my teen years. It's amazing how far it spreads into your life and you don't even realize it till years later. Just the other day, I was watching some medical coroner thing and they were talking about skeletal remains they found and mentioned they assumed by the pelvis and smaller stature it must be a woman but they couldn't be 100% sure and it hit me like a slap in the face that when I was younger, I was taught men legitimately had one less rib because that is how god made Eve, from Adam's rib. And I totally believed it for YEARS because I was taught it as a child. It's incredible to me how even years later I can suddenly still come across something small like that, that is such an obvious lie. I think it's why they can be so insular and create groups like upward basketball or upward soccer because the best way to keep kids in the fold is to keep them from the outside world to keep them from questioning. I just questioned stuff to much to be kept in it forever. I think even the pastors grew tired of my questions. Lol

[@2fast2block]

kid...., what's so tough about it? 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. Creation had to be done supernaturally at some point.

[@jeb1953]

Where to start? Hearing this is sad and normally I wouldn’t offer a reply as it appears you’ve already made up your mind, but you are affecting others with your misinformation. So… Romans 9 is mis-interpreted by Calvinists (Calvinism, by the way, and atheism are just two sides of the same determinist coin). It is part of a larger discussion of how Gentiles are grafted into the “tree” of God’s people. This discussion continues through chapter 11. The key to what God wills is faith or lack of it (Roman’s 9:30-33). In the Old Testament passages your 21st century feminist perspective is projected on 14th century BCE people. God works with people and cultures where they are at, not where we think they should be. It appears you already see God as a monster so you misrepresent the meaning of John 3:16. You are wrong about Jesus and by extension the Trinity. The deity of Christ is clear in John 8:53+ (see also Colossians 1 and Philippians 2). It is clear from your childish view of God and complete misunderstanding of the Bible that 1 John 2:19 is true about you.

[@XZITT]

​@@zoeye7095 you have grown Spiritually and Emotionally. It's great you are realizing to be an Honest and Caring one needs to have a clean Consciousness and feels good about our deeds. I really enjoyed reading how you became a responsible grown adult.

[@toogsintheteeth]

Former Mormon here. Thank you for the video. I'm glad you are sharing your thoughts for others to consider.

[@the20thDoctor]

I dig your black hole profile picture. Have you seen "Everything, Everywhere, All At Once"? I'd highly suggest it... ✌️&🤍

[@davidlafleche1142]

Mormonism is a Satanic cult, almost as bad as Roman Catholicism.

[@daydays12]

Yes. You are so right.

[@RealFireAndGlory]

Nelson won’t like it that you referred to yourself as a Mormon. I’m still a member, but in name only.

[@danielvonbose557]

I put in my notarized resignation letter to the LDS church years ago.

[@Scottish.Linda.]

I,m 62 and have lived without churches since I was 10. I just decided that good people were good and bad are bad. I find it gives me freedom to investigate world religions in an unbias manner. Establishments are corrupt.

[@RonSafreed]

Scottish Linda I recently read 2 books of 2 Christian men who had contact & long-term friendships with benevolent humanlike e.t. beings!! Stranger At The Pentagon & Visitors From Lanulos!! The benevolent beings are in contact with Creator/Source-God!! The malnevolent beings are "evil" & are part of an alternative reality called the "phantom-matrix" which includes that dude satan & his cohorts & a "cosmic A.I." that controls it all!! The benevolent & malnevolent beings out there in space but also in other dimensions of time & space!! The word angel in the Bible is just another word for intelligent beings who live out in the universe & beyond even up into the realm of eternity!!

[@aymen577]

Our creator said in Quran: "Did you think We had created you in vain (without any purpose), and that you would not be brought back to Us?’ (Quran 23:115) "Exalted is He (God) who holds all control in His hands; who has power over all things; ˹He is the One˺ Who created life and death in order to test which of you is best in deeds. And He is the Almighty, All-Forgiving. who created the seven heavens, one above the other. You will not see any flaw in what the Lord of Mercy creates. Look again! Can you see any flaw?" (Quran 67:1-3 ) "Can there be any doubt about God, the Creator of the heavens and earth? He calls you to Him in order to forgive you your sins and let you enjoy your life until the appointed hour.’ But they said, ‘You are only men like us. You want to turn us away from what our forefathers used to worship. Bring us clear proof then, [if you can].’ (Quran 14:10) "Do man think he will be left without purpose? Was he not a drop of sperm emitted (in lowly form)? Then he was a clinging clot, and [ God ] created [his form] and proportioned [him] producing from it both sexes, male and female. Is such ˹a Creator˺ unable to bring the dead back to life?" "We have indeed made whatever is on earth as an adornment for it, in order to test which of them is best in deeds." "We shall certainly test you with fear and hunger, and loss of property, lives, and crops. But [Prophet], give good news to those who are steadfast. those who say, when afflicted with a calamity, ‘We belong to God and to Him we shall return.’ (Quran 2:155-156) "Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of the night and the day are signs for those of understanding. those who remember God while standing and sitting and on their sides, and reflect upon the creation of the heavens and the earth: “Our Lord, You did not create this in vain. Highly Exalted are You, so protect us from the punishment of the Fire." (Quran 3:190-191) "Indeed, We have sent revelation to you ˹O Prophet˺ as We sent revelation to Noah and the prophets after him. We also sent revelation to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and his descendants, ˹as well as˺ Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon. And to David We gave the Psalms." (Quran 4:163) "Those who have believed and whose hearts are assured by the remembrance of God . Verily in the remembrance of God do hearts find rest!" "O humanity! Indeed, God’s promise is true. So do not let the life of this world deceive you, nor let the Chief Deceiver(Satan) deceive you about God. Surely Satan is an enemy to you, so take him as an enemy. He only invites his followers to become inmates of the Blaze." (Quran 35:5-6) "And when My servants ask you, [O Muhammad], concerning Me - indeed I am near. I respond to the invocation of the supplicant when he calls upon Me. So let them respond to Me [by obedience] and believe in Me that they may be [rightly] guided." Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said: “When God loves one of his servant, He tests him to hear his supplication.”

[@whatareyoulookingat908]

But since you cannot demonstrate what is good aside from personal conjecture, your opinion is as worthless as anyone else's.

[@Muhluri]

​@DrZookI agree with this. It's a shame that most people adopt a certain religion because of people around them rather than discovering the truth through personal exploration

[@wesleygordon1645]

Not necessarily all establishments are corrupt! But what is good & what is bad must find it's roots in that of a Holy God & in His definition! I have been around too at 76!

[@user-yi1xc7fs4i]

An all-knowing and perfect being would write/inspire a MUCH better book.

[@chrisclegg8441]

To align your 1st and last verses, starting with the last; It doesn't matter what we believe because our efforts don't matter. You go girl! You've enlightened me! Thanks.

[@gwain7179]

It's ALL about OUR efforts. WE are the ones that were & are supposed to subdue the earth. WE are the ones that are take down the strongholds. WE are the ones that are to defy the devil & his efforts. What they heck are you talking about our efforts don't matter? You need to read The Bible again.

[@robertgray323]

The best way to create more atheists is to get them to read the bible. Really read it. Information is such a wonderful thing

[@angelita1895]

A former pastor once said that when you set out on a journey to find and know god, that’s when you lose your faith. That’s exactly what happened to me

[@Whiskey.T.Foxtrot]

@@robertgray323 I'm an Agnostic Atheist and I read most of the bible before I was 30. I just got to Revelation about 6 years ago because it's just so ghastly. I was never a believer and I read it in the order presented...every word. It's about what you'd expect from a particularly nasty, primitive, warlike culture.

[@blackholeentry3489]

When I was about 13, I started reading the bible, but somehow never could get past ALL of the 'begats'. Just FYI.....Ezekiel's Wheel....A VERY early sighting of a 'Flying Saucer' which worked its way into the bible...We've been visited for a LONG time! BHE

[@Whiskey.T.Foxtrot]

@@blackholeentry3489 I skipped over the Begats but read the rest of it. Revelation was a psychopath's LSD trip.

[@blackholeentry3489]

@@Whiskey.T.Foxtrot Most likely a kind and more considerate evaluation than it actually warents. Even though I did own a bible for many years, I have to admit I read very little of it....and haven't had one in the house for 40+? years. My 2nd wife....one of those no-nonsense Red-headed Aussies, thinks pretty much as I do. I once, when young, started off reading Genesis, but could never seem to get through ALL of those 'begats.' In the mid 50's, my folks moved to Laurelwood, OR.....primarily a Seventh Day Adventists community. This was the only time they didn't attend some 'brand' of church and drag us five kids along. Their schools were all tuition, my crop picking parents had enough to handle just putting food on the table for us five kids. Three of us walked a full two miles (I know, for I later went back and measured it) to a small one room schoolhouse, where one teacher taught 25 kids, all in one room, in grades one through seven. As a result, my English suffered until I got into college and then buckled down and got it. In my life I have been exposed to about 20 religions.....Once saw and heard Billy Graham speak at the Cow Palace in San Francisco....then, 20 year later went to a Jehovah's Witless convention at the same place with my ex SIL. Seven weeks prior to school ending in Laurelwood, my folks moved on to another town 25 miles away while I elected to stay with an older couple so I could finish the school year at the samll school I walked to. While there, they forced me to attend thier SDA church....which was the turning point which started me down the road to becoming the solid atheist I remain until this day.....that, and as an active lifetime amatuer astronomer, I have a fair idea of the true enormity of this awesome universe we ALL reside within....and man's total insignificance within it....just another grain of sand on the beach! BHE

[@KeytarKris]

Thanks so much for showing the true horrors commanded in the Bible. My faith fell away after seeing how Christians treat others and the stories of the Bible don’t line up with recorded history

[@undrwatropium3724]

The funniest thing about that is, Christianity, Islam and Judaism are all Abrahamic religions but they don't agree with each other. ITS THE SAME GOD the God of Abraham. If y'all can't agree with each other how do you expect me to believe?

[@KeytarKris]

@@undrwatropium3724 I raise you this… Christianity has at least seven different denominations. Christians can’t agree with themselves. I’m so glad I deconstructed

[@TommyFlanagan666]

@@undrwatropium3724 And I would love to hear a Christian Nationalist explain to me how their governmental wet dream differs from that of the Sunni Pashtuns’. They speak of the evils of Muslim Sharia Law, but the overarching philosophies have striking and extremely disturbing similarities.

[@echoofthevoiceinthewildern3008]

@undrwatropium3724 Friends Christianity has failed, but the word of God's has not Everything in scripture lines up perfectly But the devil has infiltrated Christianity with paganism and gave Christianity a bad reputation 🤔 This is why Jesus, in Rev chapter 3 verse 16, he wants to spew the church of the laodician out of his mouth The laodician church is the worst church on the face of the earth. You can lose hope in Christianity, but don't lose hope in Jesus christ Men and women can cause Christianity to fall, but Jesus is not a failure He loves you and wants you in his kingdom

[@judyswiderski2682]

​@@TommyFlanagan666 Was Jesus a Christian nationalist? Obviously not. Yet you are mocking Him because of them!

[@tonydabaloney]

A very old song, 20+ years ago, said,"There is no truth ,there are no lies, just data to be manipulated!". I lost my faith in the Bible on a purely on scientific reasons. As a small kid ,I wondered at the many contradictions. First one that got me was when Cain slew his brother. He then went to live and marry people from a different land. As a kid I asked where did they come from? Being in a Southern Baptist church, my teachers just made some crazy ",God's ways" things. Then there was Noah. Everyone on earth died in the flood, yet afterwards his kids went and married into a different tribe. My childish mind couldn't wrap my mind around where these people came from. Then the very idea of a hell just sounded like a real waste of power. I had a dog that when it did a boo-boo inside we made it sit in a corner. We didn't make it sit in the corner forever. We punish to correct. Burning in hell forever does nothing unless you are a real pervert. No one should worship a God that would do this. When I was in the fifth grade, my best friend was Jewish. I wasn't exactly sure what that meant, so I asked my Sunday school teacher what being Jewish was. He told me they were all going to burn in hell for all eternity for not believing in Jesus. I knew my friend and his parents were very nice people and the idea of God doing that was just crazy to me. And as an adult, the real kicker was Jesus dying on a cross for my sins. That just didn't make sense! We are supposed to hate Judas, but he had to do what he did. It's on him the entire Christian religion rest on. Without him doing his part ,it wouldn't exist. So many things wrong. I'm now 72yrs and should be looking for an afterlife, but I find more comfort in Carl Sagen's idea that we are star stuff and from stars we come and in the end we will go back. Thank you for your video!

[@anaccount8474]

It show that most people's 'christianity' is just something they made up and isn't biblical.

[@AlCapwnd-tb5ow]

Like the rapture, concept of Satan ruling hell, holy trinity etc

[@richardgeorge2250]

People realized that using fear is a quicker way to pull people to “gods will”. If there is a god, there’s a chance he’s completely left us and we’re all alone.

[@richardgeorge2250]

People realized that using fear is a quicker way to pull people to “gods will”. If there is a god, there’s a chance he’s completely left us and we’re all alone.

[@patriciaodom]

I was a Christian for 25 years. I fully understand your questions and even asked hundreds more myself. At every turn I found contradictions within the pages of a book that’s supposed to be infallible. At this point in my life I believe it has some cultural and historical references filled with a whole lot of man-made stories and rules. My husband and I discuss all the time how the Bible reads a lot like a book of myths. After asking the heartfelt question, “WHO AM I?”, I got more in touch with myself and came back around to remembering what my dad used to always say when I was growing up, “can we even prove god exists?” Christianity has an answer to that question but are they right???!!! 🤔🤔🤔🤨 Every other religion has their own answer as well. And each religion says that all the other ones are cult, of the devil, leading people astray, wrong, etc. yeah, you know the mantra. So what makes Christian’s so arrogant and self-righteous that they are the only ones who know “the truth.” I used to be one of them. Looking back, I am ashamed at myself for being that kind of woman. What I can say is that my life has been 100% more peaceful and better since I left it behind and all the struggles that I couldn’t find answers to as a Christian, I have now found answers. And I’m more in touch with myself and who I am. That’s a value I wouldn’t trade for anything. Life is a journey. It’s a quest of finding your own way. And now I’m all about encouraging people to search for their own truths and find their own path. But what I constantly find, mostly 99.999% of the time, is that a Christian just can’t seem to let others find their own way. They always have to pray that you will return to the truth.

[@undrwatropium3724]

Man created God in his image

[@theharshtruthoutthere]

@@undrwatropium3724 Why to give man = short for human. (us) so much credit? Is it not visible that we cannot carrie this "burden"? If you or any souls have ? marks or complains about the bible. SOULS, GOD IS LIVING, up, in HIS KINGDOM, able to hear the souls who seek after truth. Why do you not PRAY? Into what heaven(KINGDOM) you all want to go if not speaking with THE KING? Like you and I through internet speak with one another, the same deal with GOD, be alone and pray. James 1:5 - If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. How am i to give answers after answers? Am i not also just a dust who`s been alive for a moment (27 years)? What is it that you give me so much credit? Is not GOD also above me as He is above you? Do we not have A GOD up there, in the 3th heaven? You keep denying truth and seek it out not, then you saying to GOD, that you love lies and not the truth, placing you worthy to be under strong delusion. Why soul why? We pray not, yet expected to be allowed into the KINGDOM OF GOD? GOD shall say to us: Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Luke 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. =lukewarm christians, who believe yet have no works which show their faith to be alive.

[@undrwatropium3724]

Yep they were studying the bible for sure on this topic.... Kill adulterers (Lev 20:10) Kill all witches (Ex 22:18) Kill blasphemers (Lev 24:14) Kill false prophets (Zech 13:3) Kill fortune-tellers (Lev 20:27) Kill anyone who sins (Ezek 18:4) Kill the curious (1 Sam 6:19-20) Kill gays (Lev 20:13, Rom 1:21-32) Kill all non-Hebrews (Dt 20:16-17) Kill sons of sinners (Isaiah 14:21) Kill non-believers (2 Chron 15:12-13) Kill anyone who curses God (Lev 24:16) Kill any child who hits a parent (Ex 21:15) Kill children who disobey parents (Dt 21:20) Kill those who work on the Sabbath (Ex 31:15) Kill disobedient children (Ex 21:17, Mk 7:10) Kill strangers close to a church (Num 1:48-51) Kill all males after winning battles (Dt 20:13) Kill those who curse father or mother (Lev 20:9) Kill men who have sex with other men (Lev 20:13) Kill any bride discovered not a virgin (Dt 22:21) Kill those who worship the wrong god (Num 25:1-9) Kill anyone who does not observe the Sabbath (Ex 31:14) Kill everybody in a town that worships the wrong god (Dt 13:13-16) And most importantly: Kill anyone who kills anyone (Lev 24:17).

[@MrRezillo]

I appreciate your words of wisdom here; thanks.

[@debrawehrly6900]

​@@undrwatropium3724 a projection of onself

[@cbear0323]

Thank you so much for articulating how ridiculous the concept of “belief determines heaven or hell”. It was the biggest shift in my deconstruction.

[@KMMKda]

Deconstruction or destruction?

[@xXEGPXx]

@@KMMKda Oooh that is a cute one, one of your internet pastors come up with that one for you?

[@josiahesquivel1487]

@@xXEGPXx Everything will fall into place as it should

[@TrueNovice]

Forgive us our sins AS WE forgive those who TRESPASS AGAINST US. Only God can judge you but your salvation is entirely in your own hands.

[@Garroxta]

​@@TrueNoviceThere is no such thing as salvation. The afterlife does not exist. Did you watch the video? The Bible is a preposterous thing to base your life on.

[@michaelnewell6385]

Whoever wrote the Bible, and we still don’t know who they are, knew that it was an unbelievable book so you gotta put in blind faith in order for people to follow it. You are if you look at the Bible it is absolute pure insanity. The more science we have the less religion we have. That is shown through the ages.

[@stormchasemike6015]

I had an intervention from a Church I belonged to for questioning the pastor . They actually said I would be escorted out if I didn't conform to their dogma . I caught them and pointed out contradictions of the Bible and their ways

[@soioioioioioio34]

Well that makes sense god hates when people do things like THINK or REASON or heaven forbid QUESTION something.

[@jamesmanm3623]

What is that contradiction?

[@paultimson6674]

you've not understood what THE CHURCH is? all believers in CHRIST, are the Church, his bride. Only believers who LOVE JESUS, accept his authority, are the CHURCH . I would never pop along to a catholic-protestant church? as many people there are DODGY. The Churches? on earth are infiltrated. Like the BORGIAS, the MEDICIS infiltrated the Catholic system. You are more likely to meet Satan in a so called Church than in any place? Satan allows such places to exist? to flag up who's side are you on? If you are a budding christian, there is no place worse than a man made church. I've seen witchcraft in such places. I've seen dodgy priests? who use their authority to molest. Its not KOSHER. God alone picks out his PRIESTS and KINGS, and we assemble in heaven. The early church fathers, said we should meet in fellowship. We come together to pray, to chat. Not to form a CHURCH? so METHODIST? CATHOLIC? BAPTIST? is all wrong. we should abandon every such establishment. We have a bible, we have our middleman-daysman JESUS. that is all you need. If you want a club? join an art class or chess club. Do not feed RELIGION. They are CLERGY. False teachers. God chooses his priests. It was the priesthood that had Christ executed. So do not go near such places. You only will get spiritual attacks. Already you are having arguments. People accuse you? No one can accuse a son of the father. If you believe in CHRIST. you have no sin. You are accepting GRACE. If i say to any believer.. you are a bad Christian... i'm at fault. You do not accuse any one? when you are at fault as well. No one is a paragon of virtue.

[@tjrizzo1619]

@@jamesmanm3623for God so loved the world that he gave his son and whoever believes will have eternal life. Faith without works is dead. Thou shall not kill. God regretted making man and killed everyone. God sent an Angel to kill babies. God sent 2 bears to kill 42 kids for making fun of a bald guy. Here’s some contradictions.

[@bobrolls3800]

The Bible has no contradictions. People have misunderstandings. All so-called contradictions were shown to be illegitimate by those who know the ins and outs of biblical culture and language.

[@DD-gi6kx]

it is of my opinion that those that have the courage to say "i don't know" are the ones that have the most to live for

[@simpumoon]

If you don’t know who god is you have a really bad problem it’s obvious, and you choose a life of blindness and lies to say you don’t know. The truth is you don’t want it to be true and you don’t care

[@i_want_order]

@@simpumoonyou mean God? Just have to understand.

[@jkm9332]

Is there anything you do know?

[@simpumoon]

@@jkm9332 if you're breathing that's proof enough

[@jkm9332]

@@simpumoon I don't know what you mean.

[@rneedham667]

When i read noah and ark it was like a horror movie. All i could think about was all the children and animals drowning. I remember at 7yrs. A girl calling me asking if i wanted to be saved? I said no.

[@RandomHuman1103]

Back in the day after i just left i would gladly debate JWs when they came,but today i realise that its pointless

[@blackholeentry3489]

@@RandomHuman1103 My ex SIL has been a lifetime JW....and, I even attended a few conventions with her 20 years ago at San Francisco's Cow Palace. However, I must admit....listening to their nonsense drivel only farther deepened my athiestic convictions. JWs are prevented from rereading 'back' issues simply because of their numerous and endless failed predictions have subsequently proven to be false....including going all the way back to their founder, Charles Taze Russel.....who falsely predicted Jesus's 2nd return..... not once, but TWICE. The 'fish' sold and/or gave away all of thier possessions, gathered and waited....and waited.....Only after the 3rd failed predicted return, then, (in order to save face) CTR brazenly declared Jesus had returned and was living secretly amongst them...and the FISH bought it. For 35 years of my life, I worked the graveyard shift on the weekends....seems like I would no sooner get to sleep on Saturday morning, when I'd get "The KNOCK" on my door. Eventually tiring of this, I once greeted them wearing only the briefest of underwear....not only did they quit knocking on my door, I haven't seen them on my entire street in over 15 years. My ex SIL, who took my side when I divorced her sister 20 years ago, says they do have a "Do NOT Call" list....I must have gotten onto it.....LUCKY ME! BHE

[@blackholeentry3489]

@@RandomHuman1103 Debating JWs is great training to prep for hitting the campaign trail while campaigning for 'Poopy Britches Trump'

[@blackholeentry3489]

@diezeljames7910 WHAT you so desparately NEED are THREE things.... some REAL EDUCATION, a BULLHORN and a STREETCORNER to stand upon!.....also.....WHAT more proof do we ALL need to amply proove religion, along with Collosal Ignorance truly do co-exist and dovetail together, just as do peas in a pod? 1) Your lengthy and tiresome religious TIRADE is just the very thing which you-tube should permantly BAN!! 2) It's now been over two weeks....NOT ONE single like should speak for itself and tell you plenty!....except most likely you're probably far too DENSE to pick up on it! BHE

[@heythere6983]

Not sure 7 years is the age to make life decisions

[@ianturvey3894]

It’s so refreshing to hear such an intelligent argument about Christianity. I experienced the same as you. In my late teens and early twenties, I attended an evangelical church and became a born again Christian. As I got older, I started to question a lot of the dogma and double standards/hypocrisy within the religion. There seems to be a lot of interpretation of the Bible that suits those who wish to abuse their power. I believe that religion is a case of the few having power over the many.

[@c-wayne-u]

I, like you figured out the con about the time I reached 20. It has been said that studying the Bible is a direct path to atheism. Obviously, that is not always true, but it worked for me. During my quest, I found it filled with blood and guts, ambiguities, contradictions, and just silliness. One of my favorites was when poor Job's life and family were totally destroyed over a "Mine is bigger than yours" bet between god and Satan. In the end I concluded that the Bible, and ALL holy books, are entirely based on "Some guy(s) claimed that some other guy said stuff and did magic.". This may be evidence that some guy(s) claimed it, but in no way is evidence that any of those claims hold a shred of truth.

[@kkelleybass]

Interesting. I have experienced the exact opposite. The more I study the Bible, the MORE I believe and the stronger my faith grows!

[@c-wayne-u]

@@kkelleybass So you like the story of Job too? LOL As I said, the Bible is based entirely on hearsay, just as the Qur'an, The Vedas, and even the Book Of Mormon are all based on hearsay. Maybe talking snakes, talking donkeys, and seven-headed beasts seem real to you, but I can no longer buy that old folklore as real.

[@c-wayne-u]

@@rkip123456 Religion is the "con" and many religious leaders are the profiteers.

[@jonjeskie5234]

​@@rkip123456did you not watch the vid? The book itself is the con, perpetuated solely by humans. That's why it's always just hearsay and fables. Ever wonder why an almighty God always needs humans to talk for him? Convenient right... 😂

[@pinky9440]

@rkip123456 The "con" is control. Total control of the people. They fear God, they fear being left behind, they pay a tenth of their income freely, which is nothing other than legal extortion. That is the con. The "who" is not so easy to answer.

[@MakinziMiller08]

as a teenager who has anxiety ,separating from the church has been horrible. Thank you so much for talking about this it makes me feel better about my thoughts 🫶🏻

[@meezuswest1781]

“Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.” You will only find true peace through Christ, your faith in Him has to remain strong…… don’t abandon your relationship with God.

[@twinkincarnate]

“Christ” is not the only way you’ll find peace. I believe in a Higher Power, but not the Christian God. That Higher Power has brought me so much peace, without all of the backwards rules and regulations. This religious brainwashing needs to be eradicated

[@meezuswest1781]

@@twinkincarnate can you elaborate on what backwards rules and regulations Christ has preached about? Also you can’t have a personal relationship with a “higher” power if you don’t know them. God speaks to you through the Holy Bible and sent his only Son to experience human pain and suffering so you can have someone to relate to and He died for you to save us from our sins because we’re all imperfect and fall short. No other god or “higher” power will ever do that for you.

[@twinkincarnate]

@@meezuswest1781 She literally explained it in the video? 😭 Also her whole entire channel is dedicated to debunking the bible. One more thing, everyone has a different belief system, you cannot tell someone “you can only do xyz because xyz said so” if that person doesn’t even believe in what you’re saying in the first place. I literally do not believe in the bible, nor sin, so what you just said has no bearing on me. I identify with being a spiritual human being, not Christian. You wouldn’t tell a Muslim, Mormon, Buddhist, or Jewish person that they’re wrong and you’re right would you? That would be incredibly ignorant and disrespectful. You can believe whatever you want, but fact of the matter is, your religion is not superior to anyone else’s. Even if we did go that route, God gave us free will, and he also gave us multiple ways to have a relationship with him. I don’t know who told you that you can’t have a personal relationship with God, but that is incredibly false and actually very hurtful for you to say. You don’t say that to people, even if you believe it for whatever bizarre reason. Once again, if someone doesn’t practice your religion, why would you expect them to abide by whatever rules the “Holy Bible” says? Thank you for reinforcing why I, and many other people, stay away from Christianity and it’s toxicity :)

[@meezuswest1781]

@@twinkincarnate 1. She never quoted Jesus once ( the gospel) also if you understood Christianity you would know that God made a new covenant with humanity and a lot of things from 2,000 years ago don’t apply to us anymore 2. You’re right I can’t tell you what to believe in I can only tell you about the good news and you decide what to do with it 3. I would tell someone that that their religion is false and that Christ is their only salvation, that’s how strong my faith is. I would never attack them personally though. 4. The KZbinr is literally saying the Judea-Christian God is fake so by your logic she’s being ignorant and disrespectful 5. I believe in a God who actually existed on Earth, hundreds of witnesses who saw him die and get buried, and dozens of witnesses who saw him after being resurrected. My God’s tomb was empty while Mohammed and Buddha are still dead in their graves. 6. You believe in a pagan god whose name you don’t even know, a god who doesn’t reveal himself to you, or a god who won’t even suffer for you. Your spiritual relationship with the god that you claim is based on nothing.

[@jessiejamesferruolo]

I was raised southern Baptist and grew up going to church. It never really felt right to me, but I did like going because I had a chance to socialize and the church actually let us (i was like 8) drink coffee 😆 Well, I was 14 and had to go to Juvenile detention for a few weeks for some dumb stuff because my step father and I hated each other. Actually turned 15 there.... when I was in my cell and a guard came by and asked me if I wanted to go to church. It was actually the first time I had ever been asked.... I thought about it for a few moments and said "You know what.... No, I dont think I do." I realized in that moment that the only reason I even went along with it because: 1. I was raised with it and didnt know any other way. 2. I was scared not to because I was told I would suffer for eternity in firey damnation for not believing (such a lovely thing to tell a child....). I realized that these were not good reasons to believe something like that. The more I stepped out and saw it from an outside perspective the more disgusted I was at what it really was. I try my hardest every day to be the best person I can be. And I dont necessarily deny the existence of a god, I just see no evidence of one and I believe that the Christian god and religions in general are just like you said.. "Created to control people". And I dont choose to deny the possibility of a god. I just reject all these outrageous stories Ive been told about from people I don't even know....... Besides, if there was a god like that, then he is narcissistic and sadistic. So many innocent people.... children.... suffering and dying....... "If there is a God, He will have to beg for my forgiveness.” - victim of a german concentration camp.....

[@jessiejamesferruolo]

@@davidboyd1745 You mean if there is a Christian like god.... If there was some sort of real god, then it would be vengeful and spiteful and violent. That kind of god is 100 man made to scare and control people.

[@natwil735]

@@davidboyd1745 You apparently did not comprehend this very short and well written comment of @jessiejamesferruolo2009 from 2 weeks ago [today's date is 24 Nov 2023 @7a.m. CDT] reading your comment from 3 days prior to my own in which you stated in response to the ending of the original post (edited, not sure when if it was before or after your post) "If there is a God, He will have to beg for my forgiveness.” - victim of a german concentration camp.....: @davidboyd1745 3 days ago If there is a God he will not want your forgiveness or company or opinion. Sad In taking the original comment (edited) that clearly shows that the comment was that of a victim of a German concentration camp, why then would you state that the person that wrote the comment that they themselves wanted forgiveness from a "God" if it exists? And why do you supposit yourself with an "if" as it pertains to "God" existence if you yourself have no doubt in the existence of "God"? And if you have *any doubt* that "God" exist, who are you to make any statement on what this "God" will not want? And if you have *no doubt* that "God" exist, who are you to make any statement on what this "God" will not want? And if you do not even have the mental capacity to understand a small concise comment as the one you are responding to, much less the capacity to comprehend the 21 minutes and 43 seconds of this video, how then can you comprehend the entirety of the Christian Bible or even anything for that matter to have a comprehension of what "sad" is? Humans perish due to lack of knowledge (Hosea 4:6) as they fail to seek it as Yeshua aka "Jesus" encourages them to seek. In the age of information where you, or anyone having access to this comment, specifically has access but refusing to seek has purposefully chosen to not seek knowledge so they can perish. Now that is a truly sad state of being [choosing to perish most like due to laziness].

[@natwil735]

@jessiejamesferruolo2009, [edited @1 hr] Good for you in evaluating critically for yourself the difference between right and wrong and doing your best to do the right thing. I don’t know it all, I have sought and found some answers. Between 11 Feb 2018 and 9 Sep 2018 of seeking/researching spiritual matters [while I was active duty military with little free time] yet I spent an average of 400 hours per month and over 2,700+ hours of research to free myself from almost 40 years of indoctrination that the blood sacrifice saves! FALSE! The more amazing thing wasn't my oodles of hours of research but that I was clearly spoken to by a unseen, non-vocal voice, that were not my thoughts or another personality, that I choose to call the Spirit of Truth in John 14:26 (I now call it by this name retroactively; at the time I did not know what it was and I didn't trust it. I felt no evil from it. As I had my world previously shattered sometime between March-June 2015 that if "God" exist he was an evil bastard I wanted nothing to do with after reading over 4+ hours of scriptures from an Atheist source that shows the estimated 4+ billion murders of "God" which included the baby of David and Bathsheba). So I heard from the Spirit of Truth on 11 Feb 2018 to go find that video and I automatically knew it was the second of two videos watched in November 2015. At approximately 2,400+ hours of research on 26 Aug *2018,* I was clearly told that Babylon of Revelation sat on the 7 continents of the earth (I didn't even knew how many continents of the earth there was, I think I was raised with a knowledge of 5 continents. The last I took Geography was about 25 years prior around age 15, so I Googled it as I wasn't just going to take something I could validate just eagerly as "gospel." The website I found and verified the number of continents on earth was pretty neat. It showed the different timeline of when the continent number were different. That even up to the 1960s, England taught only 5 continents, and that in the future that we will only have 6 continents as Europe and Asia will be combined to Eurasia. Therefore, I understood that even though the numeric value of the continent changes per perception of mankind, that per my mankind’s knowledge of the current time frame I was reading it, that even though Revelation was written approximately 2,000 years prior that the information was meant for me in this timeline to comprehend the truth of the information in the now regardless of the changing perception of mankind. That moment in knowledge was taken to impart a deeper knowledge). The third time I heard clearly from the Spirit of Truth was on 9 Sep 2023 with over 2,700+ hours of research that the Second Beast and False Prophet of Revelation (immediately after I connected they were the same entity as I was wondering where the heck did the False Prophet of Revelation came from while reading it a 4th time to write about who Babylon is to someone. I had to double back around all the way back to revelation 13 and read forward to realize that they were one and the same. Even though I had read the Book of Revelation in it's entirety 3 times between 11 Feb 2018 and 28 May 2018) is Pharisee Saul Paul of Tarsus who preferred to be called "Apostle" Paul. I already knew with 100 hours of study that the Bright Light and Voice that Pharisee Saul Paul of Tarsus met was not Yeshua aka "Jesus" and I also knew he was a false apostle. Yet never in my wildest dream did I draw the conclusion that he is the Second Beast/False Prophet of Revelation. In fact the second video I was called to find on 11 Feb 2018 was highlighting the difference between was "Jesus" said and what Paul said. I never found the video back then but found many more things [found in 2021). This third clear revelation from the Spirit of Truth on 9 Sep 2018 freed me from my enslavement of hatred/lawlessness. Christianity does NOT hold the Truth. I don't even know if the human Yeshua existed, but I believe the human man Yeshua did exist. He had a biological mother and a biological father. He was raised as a Israelite aka "Jew." He woke up from his falsehood indoctrination of a religion as YHWH being the One True Creator and found him vile and evil just like I did, just like the lady on this KZbin video did. I believe his was possibly more exaggerated than mine. Yeshua, which means YHWH saves, set out to show his fellow Israelites that there is a way to Eternal Life. He might have performed miracles (I believe he did), but it is possible that he didn't yet he was giving hope to others from the oppression they were currently suffering. Regardless of whether this man Yeshua existed or not, his message was *not about blood sacrifice saves.* This got added in by Pharisee Saul Paul of Tarsus aka "Apostle" Paul. This idea was stomped out and killed off with the written Gospels and other epistles such as 1-3 John, 2 Peter, James, etc. Council Nicea 325 AD created the pagan worship of Easter as well as created Yeshua as not only Son of "God" but "God." I am very certain that John 1:2 was added in shortly there after to add Him x 3 in John 1:3-4, so they could retroactively change Genesis 1:25-28 where the "Us" is Father-Son combination even though the evidence is female and male🤣and not only female and male but hermaphrodite female-male that was able to procreate🤪. By Council Constantinople I 381 AD, they have decided on a TRINITY and decided to make the Spirit of Truth a separate deity of the 3-in-1 "Godhead." All the above Trinity and Yeshua being a "God" is nothing but garbage. Yeshua's murder being a sacrifice that abolished what he taught that steadfast love of others (small sample: Mathew 5:17-20, Matthew 24:35, Matthew 22:34-40, Luke 10:25-37, John 13:34, Hosea 6:6 [Hebrew word is *hesed* and is properly translated in ESV as *steadfast love* not the falsehood of "mercy" as most other major translation rendered it and pretty much anywhere it is ascribed that Yeshua said "mercy" it is *steadfast love* such as Luke 10:37, Matthew 9:13 and Matthew 12:7 which both points us to Hosea 6:6], John 17:2-4) and forgiveness of others (Matthew 6:14-15). Yeshua has pointed out the lies of YHWH and his prophet Moses to include the replication that took place starting in Genesis 2:4 to the destruction by YHWH Genesis 8:22 in the Parable of the Wheat and Tares and its Explanation [Matthew 13] combined with the Parable of the Sower and its Explanation [Matthew 13 + Luke 8] and all of John 8 [specifically v.31-47 with focus on v.44] that shows that YHWH/devil was a liar and murderer from the beginning. Dominion as written in Genesis 1:25-28 means being a caretaker. You do not slaughter the being in your care to then use their skin as clothes. YHWH not only lied in Genesis 2:16-17 as shown by Genesis 1:29-30, Genesis 3:1-7, and his and his demons admitting in Genesis 3:22-24, but is a murderer when he slaughtered those animals in front of Adam and Eve for clothes, the flood, and his glorious track record under his robber [John 10:7-14] Moses [Exodus 3-14]. While Christianity does not have the Truth and the vast majority of the Christian Bible is filled with *FALSEHOOD,* there is truth within in. I recommend going to Matthew 7:15-20 to get the key codes to find truth which is summarized as follows: GOOD TREE = GOOD FRUITS BAD TREE = BAD FRUITS GOOD TREE CANNOT GIVE BAD FRUITS BAD TREE CANNOT GIVE GOOD FRUITS For example: Exodus 16:4, YHWH claimed he will be giving the Israelites bread from "heaven" and at the same time test them to see if they will follow his laws (to not take more than the daily need). James 1:13 clearly states that "God" does not tempt/test. Most English translations hides the English on peirazō: *The Greek word peirazō is Strong's 3985 which is the English translation is test as well as tempt.* www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Lexicon.show/ID/G3985/peirazo.htm John 6:30-33 has the Israelites disciples/followers of Yeshua asking for a sign as they are quoting Exodus 16:4-21 about getting bread from "heaven" as Moses brought them from YHWH and Yeshua response was in John 6:33 that Moses most ASSUREDLY did not give the Israelites bread from heaven, but that Yeshua's "Father" [Hermaphrodite Parent according to the image in the physical expression of mankind in Genesis 1:25-28] is the one that has the True Bread of Life. Exodus :16:4 goes all the way back to YHWH's introduction in Exodus 3, and what he said of Pharaoh in Exodus 3:19, and the multiple hardening of Pharaoh's heart to slaughter the Egyptians and causes the Israelites to be fearful as seen by the end of Exodus 14 shows us that this YHWH is not a good tree. John 6:33 also show us that YHWH does not live in heaven and thus can not give anything from heaven as the lie YHWH told in Exodus 16:4 which shows that John 8:44 that this YHWH/devil creature lies from his resources and kills. Now Luke 9:51-56 also show that Elijah's works of killing under YHWH is not the Spirit any of us should ever follow as Yeshua who had the One True Creator's Spirit of Truth living and speaking through Yeshua (John 14) who came to rescue us from lies. Thus John 17:2-4 completed Yeshua's mission to bring us the Knowledge of the One True Creator by knowing the One True Yeshua not the fake communion or bread symbolic cannibalism garbage. The knowledge of loving and forgiving each other regardless of the wrong others do to us is what grants eternal life. When we do anything else, then we are doing YHWH/devil work. The One True Creator does not destroy any of us, our own actions is a magnet to draw us to the place that is present to draw people to. Our actions will determine if our name is in the Book of Life [Revelation 22:10-20]. It's your choice to seek to know what the right thing to do is; because YHWH has polluted and corrupted us to fail. Shake that sh!t off and free yourself as spoken of in John 8:31-47.

[@markfrost2707]

So, youre LDS??

[@natwil735]

​@@markfrost2707​I am not sure how the original commenter (jessie) that say that they are unsure of there is an existence of "God" or the second commenter (david) who didn't really say anything could be considered a LDS. That only leave myself as the only person on the thread that put 2 comments out of 4 that was on the thread. If you are addressing me, I am *not* a Christian. I left that falsehood on 9 Sep 2018.

[@EugeneRossi]

I remember years ago my then pastor who was also teaching one of my accredited Bible classes told me that the Bible technically doesn’t definitively condemn slavery. He said he didn’t preach details like that on Sunday because most wouldn’t understand, would get offended and might leave his church and question their faith. I think that was one of those milestones where I was like “wtf God, really? This is supposed to be the greatest book through which you chose to reveal the ultimate truth to the world?” Definitely was a tipping point for me.

[@JP-ec9rl]

You think you're not a slave? Interesting!

[@zJohnnyMac]

We are all a slave to something in this world. I'd rather be under one that has my back on death. You are a slave to the people that love you, the money that keeps you, and the environment that comforts you.

[@WildandFree4]

The pastors know the truth. They cannot be trusted.. Charlatans 💵💵💵

[@P.M.O.S.69]

Check out Slavery and True Liberty, John MacArthur. It's disgusting.

[@floccinaucinihilipilifications]

@@JP-ec9rl back at ya 😉

[@msives]

just came across your channel. I absolutely love your common sense analysis of some of the most ergergious texts from the bible

[@jasonschneider7224]

Paul's commentary on the potter and the clay was what got me too. If I remember correctly, the lines before commented that God "knew you in the womb" and in the case of Jacob and Esau, he loved Jacob in the womb and "Esau he hated". That already started my brain churning, because I was always taught God was Love - and here the bible was telling me he HATED someone before they even did anything, in the womb, as he FORMED them - then the potter and the clay analogy hit and I just could not deal with it at the time. Then of course I actually read how God hardened Pharoah's heart against the Israelites so that he could bring the plagues and concluded the only way THIS god could actually exist, was if he was actually just a narcissistic tyrant who only cared about praise and glory. That was when I determined to read the bible cover to cover (the first time). In Genesis the Lord freaked out at the possibility that we might eat of the tree of life and become like him. In Job where after three different accusers tried to tell Job that his suffering was because he was either immoral, not faithful enough, or had hidden evil in his heart, God appeared and basically said "Can you throw lighting and wrestle Sea Dragons? Can you make a world? Can you make life?". Sure, he rewarded Job for his loyalty, but he never gave him a reason for his suffering other than "I'm infinitely more powerful than you are and there's nothing you can do about it". That seemed to be biblical morality - god was good because he SAID he was good, and you'd better do as he tells you if you know what's good for you..... If anything, on one level it's kind of a clever concept - you anthropomorphize a cruel uncaring nature that's as likely to hit you with an earthquake as finding an oasis and you kinda feel like you have some possibility for control despite not particularly expecting it because the god you are praying to is fundamentally a dick. That's also a great way to foster obedience because if any little thing could piss the deity off and cause a catastrophe, (and the world is full of catastrophes) you really have to mind your p's and q's because you might just get blamed for the next time the all powerful dick decides to unleash a plague. A lot of Jesus was better - I could see, in a weird way, how after truly believing in the OT god, a lot of the things he said would cause an emotional catharsis that would make some really loyal worshippers, but even he said he didn't come to bring peace but a sword, and any who wouldn't turn on their own family in his name wasn't worthy of him. And of course Acts described killing people for holding back a bit of money and Paul seemed to just ride everyone into the ground with a concept of Christianity that functioned on sheer paradox. You are a new being, but you as human will always live in sin, but you should never sin again, but you can't help it, but if there is any sin god will destroy you , but you don't have to be afraid of sin because the price was paid - yadayadayada. Again, that sounds like a FABULOUS tool for emotional manipulation, without really giving anyone anything useful to actually help them deal with life (much less actually overcome any addictions, obsessions, or not so useful drives they might actually have in themselves). By the time I got to the end, all I could do is ask, myself - while this is all pretty terrifying, could I live with this idea of reality? In a weird way, what I concluded (which might be different from what some people got) is that I wanted to believe in a world where good exists because compassion exists, and we can try to work out a world where as many people as possible can be happy and safe WITHOUT mindlessly obeying decrees and commands from an inconsistent narcissist. Heh, in a weird way, if some childish part of me wanted to believe in the concept of love I grew up with, i I couldn't believe in the god of this book. I was better off with empathy, logic, compassion, and listening skills.

[@dhall936]

Very well put, I felt the same way after reading the bible many years ago in my 20s looking for answers to a life that made no sense......

[@janellesart]

Bravo! Well written! 🙌

[@jasonschneider7224]

@@janellesart Thank you! It's good to know it doesn't only make sense in the grey cauliflower in my head.....;P

[@jasonschneider7224]

@@dhall936 I know, right? Life isn't making sense so people point at the Bible and you read it and end up going "Erm, this makes even LESS sense.....".

[@dolliscrawford280]

I didn't read your whole thing. Pharoah hardened his own heart until the last plague where God hardened Pharoah's heart.

[@crystalheart9]

A very good video on the same questions I had when I was in Catholic school. It never made sense to me either. The nuns would tell us when I was in first grade that only Catholics go to heaven. Even at that young age I couldn't believe that. The brainwashing was epic in Catholic school. I subscribed.💖

[@RedLion502]

Same here. I remember thinking “but what about all the people who lived outside of that area at that time? Were they all damned for not knowing about the Christian religion?” It didn’t make sense.

[@erbiumfiber]

So now the Catholic church has backtracked (long story but I live in Taipei, been going to one because it's the only English-language one near me, and yes, I have enormous questions). Now they say others can go to heaven (yes, even the pagans! No need to send money to baptize pagan babies anymore...sigh.). And, for me, the whole "why did Jesus need to die for my sins, why couldn't God just forgive us" is a question I ask all the time. Asked some lovely Mormon missionaires and they had a whole talk about the justice/mercy continuum and that there is no mercy without justice, and that is why Jesus died (they had very much rehearsed this talk, and were very earnest, I could not "not like" them). That was the closest I ever got to a real explanation, bless their hearts. Oh, I also never believed in transsubstantiation, so, yeah, first communion a bit of a let-down. Wish I could believe but I just can't. And even if I did, why do I need to eat someone every week? Feels...vampire-ish.

[@michaelautrey6641]

its because catholicism is a long term grift and always has been. it isnt an accident that the catholic church is the wealthiest organization on earth.

[@laneneal3510]

After Bible school which I felt I was told these were great stories to help you live a good life now and ever more. Then as a tween it turned into seriousness about the Bible written by God himself. Every word taken as literal meaning. Had so many questions that they could not answer. I just had to have “faith”. So I said it doesn’t matter what the word of God says, just have faith, just believe regardless. At that time I realized you could believe in anything. Doesn’t make it right, wrong or indifferent. All man made. There wasn’t anyone or thing directing me. It was always me, you, each of us. I truly felt free. I still chose to be morally kind. I had my values of course from my family which could grow and change. It was all so simple. Relief

[@timmotel5804]

Yup. I've been there. Not Any More.

[@timothydoyle373]

Great video. As a retired Pastor, I have encountered many people who struggle with verses such as these. I also have struggled with concepts like this before I became a Christian. . I'm tempted to offer you the answers that have satisfied my soul. However, you seem happy in your current state of faith, and I wouldn't want to impose my faith on you. I would suggest that anyone considering a position of Christian leadership, should be able to provide better answers than the ones you have received. Thanks again for your sincerity. ❤

[@jezebelvibes]

Thank you so much for your open mind and kind words. 💗 a true representation of loving Christianity!

[@YOUARESOFT.]

you not imposing your answers is you helping sending her to hell though. right???

[@susankievman642]

The bible verses are impossible for a lay person to understand. Why do Christian’s always tell me to read the Bible? I read it and it makes no sense at all. It is written in a way that seams like a riddle.

[@susankievman642]

I liked your analyses. You broke it down really well. People have told me that if you believe, then you will become a better person and your intentions and deeds will follow simply from your belief in Jesus. I dont get that. You can be a better person even if you don’t wholeheartedly believe. Instead, fear is is the tool that is used to coerce one into believing. It is kind of like an insurance policy.

[@82jp]

I'm impressed and inspired by your restraint 😊. I'm reminding myself that Paul said to a crowd of nonbelievers that "God is not far from any one of us." We will all end up where we belong in the end ❤.

[@RochellB46]

I’m so lost in life and I started reading the Bible recently and it’s made me so sad and depressed 😢 But I’m just going to do what my mom said Be a good person to myself and others help others be kind and try to have fun while I’m alive ❤

[@CappieBG]

Why would it depress you. Adam sinned, all people sinned in Adam. Satan became God of this world. God came in the flesh and died for our sins. If you remain in Adam you die and you are no more. The Bible is clear there is final resurrection and non-believers die again and those in Christ inherit eternal life here on Earth. You are justified by faith alone in what Jesus did for you and you receive eternal life as a free gift. And if you believe being a "good person" should give you eternal life for free. There is the verse with the young ruller who wanted eternal life and said he kept all commamdments and Jesus said to him, but did you sell your possessions and give to the poor? And the guy was sad and refused. That indicates that no good works can grant you eternal life and nobody is really good and there is more we could be doing to be perfect, because even if we don't want to admit it all of our "good works" are always so we impress others and selfish motives and there is more that we could be doing.

[@ElleriaZer]

I was a much more progressive christian and came at my loss of faith on a very different way, but that first thing you mentioned was how i decided that even if the god of the bible existed, i shouldn't worship it because its clearly a psychopath or a narcissist.

[@jonjeskie5234]

If a psychologist were to honestly look at his characteristics he would technically be both, plus several other mental conditions.

[@Bunny99s]

@@jonjeskie5234 God would be the prime example of someone suffering from the God complex ^^

[@omariwashington2570]

​@jonjeskie5234 I mean I would be a narcissist if I created everything and everybody worships me 24/7

[@jonjeskie5234]

@@omariwashington2570 that's cause you're a fallible human who needs validation. An omnipotent God shouldn't have this problem.

[@nevaehhamilton3493]

Pessimism is my personal shield from the world's crappiest traits.

[@tinyshepherdess7710]

Thank you for pointing out the absurdity of John 3:16. That verse, and the idea that human kind needed a savior at all, was one of the original, nagging doubts I had when I accepted Christ in my early 20s (took me 35 years to fully deconvert). If a God is omniscient, already knows who is saved, can turn people away from or toward himself, why the need for a savior???

[@harrydecker8731]

I wish Kristi would have discussed the verse John 3:14 as well: "Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up." Most Christians don't discuss this peculiar verse. Though Moses supposedly was commanded by God not to make idols shaped like animals or humans, Moses made a bronze snake and put it on a pole as a way to heal people who had been bitten my a snake. Later in the Bible (2 Kings 18:4) we are told that King Hezekiah destroyed idols and altars and poles, and he smashed the bronze snake Moses had made. If ever Christians find this out, they should say, "Huh? What?" In verses 3:13 and 14, Jesus seems to refer to himself as the Son of Man, and then in verses 3:16 through 18, Jesus seems to refer to himself as the Son of God. By this point Christians should say, "Huh? What?" So when Christians solely focus on the verse John 3:16, they totally ignore these other puzzling and contradictory questions.

[@manon562]

@@harrydecker8731 The list of controversial and contradictory stuff is pretty long in the Bible. She couldn't have listed everything. For me, my deconstruction started with "if you don't accept Jesus as your savior, your punishment is eternal hell". I mean... really? Furthermore, the concept of "salvation" was mind boggling. Why do you need to put someone on the cross and have him suffer and agonize in order to save mankind? How does accepting that person as a "personal savior" atone you from your sins? Another thing that was strange for me, was : why didn't Jesus leave anything in writing himself? ....and so on...

[@polynesia8733]

@@harrydecker8731 I don't ignore those scriptures....and I'm a Christian...she can't discuss because she doesn't understand....because if she did she won't discuss because it points to Christ becoming the curse for sins of the world and that would support the God is who HE says is and Jesus is God.....read all if John 1

[@harrydecker8731]

@@manon562 If one studies all historical religions, one realizes that most of them via a figurehead or priesthood tell the people that they will be cursed by God or the gods if they don't obey certain commands, and that they will be blessed by God or the gods if they do obey certain commands. For certain, the people had to offer a gift or a sacrifice to the priest to prove their sincerity and to be redeemed. Animals sacrifices were common. In extreme conditions, human sacrifice, particularly virgins and children, were required. For the most part, religion was a racket that allowed a privileged class of priests (and sometimes priestesses) to enjoy a comfortable sheltered existence in a temple while the working class, who brought the gifts and sacrifices, were out there toiling in the hot sun raising crops and cattle while fighting off wild beasts. Judaism and Christianity were among many such religions that employed fear and guilt to get the people to do what they wanted.

[@c.michellesparks2925]

I was raised in catholic school and by fourth grade I had many questions that no one was willing to answer. I was told to shut up and that my questions were "of the devil". I slowly began to realize that most of the people around me weren't even reading the bible they were simply taking it in the pieces they were given and trusting in their leaders faith so by sixth grade I no longer had any of my own. I thank you for trying to reach out and help people. There are so many in crisis right now that have nowhere to turn because the entirety of their community was their church. We need to find a better way to foster these good folks.

[@Silverheart1956]

Dear @c.michellesparks2925, "I was told to shut up and that my questions were "of the devil". Ignorant Christians are dangerous !!!! Apparently they have misled you and given you the misconception that there are no answers and considerations to your questions. How can the ignorant lead people with questions to truth ? Sounds like you were asking "Jethro" how to conduct brain surgery and because he gave you bad answers or no real answers, you concluded there is no legitimate method of Brian surgery. Shouldn't you really ask a brain surgeon ? Perhaps you should ask some intelligent Christian scholars your questions, ... That is if you are really desiring to know the issue throughly and come face to face with the facts so you can intelligently evaluate the issues. Be Well, DZ

[@jesuscaresaboutyou100]

And he opened his mouth and taught them, saying: “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted. “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied. “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy. “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God. “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. “Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. “Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you. Matthew 5:2‭-‬12 ESV

[@jesuscaresaboutyou100]

To know wisdom and instruction, to understand words of insight, to receive instruction in wise dealing, in righteousness, justice, and equity; to give prudence to the simple, knowledge and discretion to the youth- Let the wise hear and increase in learning, and the one who understands obtain guidance, The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction. Proverbs 1:2‭-‬5‭, ‬7 ESV

[@kkelleybass]

Which is why one must read the ENTIRE Bible in order to grasp a more complete and reverent picture of the Lord God Almighty, and the good news of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The bible is the only book where people feel they can get a grasp of it by only reading a few sentences at a time, here and there. Can you imagine if we would have treated our school books that way, and expected to pass our tests by only reading a few sentences of our text books??

[@c.michellesparks2925]

@@kkelleybass You are assuming that I haven't? Also how many people have you converted in youtube comment sections? You thumpers are part of the problem not the soliution.

[@yascam6238]

I started to question it after reading the following: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And I was out.

[@virikemen]

Really appreciate your story and laying it all out clearly. I was raised in the fundamentalist Baptist church for 18 years. I'm 22 now and have slowly been deconstructing (more so de-converting) since attending college, reading/watching more lectures, and ultimately stepping out of my bubble. A painful process to be sure, given how it's shaped every aspect of my childhood but I've found that the search for truth can be far more rewarding.

[@michaelwilliams2430]

I was you 40 years ago. It is difficult to deconstruct and get past the psychological and emotion abuse of Christianity. However, it is wonderful and rewarding. Hang in there and know that you are not alone. There are huge numbers of us out there.

[@Reason1717]

Virikemen, Keep learning and find the brave type of critical thinking. Asking why is this? Or maybe am I asking the wrong questions? Hear the voices of others from both sides see where the voice of reason resides. Good luck on your journey sir (the world needs those for question).

[@learningisfun2108]

It is a tough journey. A big fear is hell. But remember, Christians don’t worry about going to the hell of other religions. So, for the same reasons, you need not worry about the Christian hell.

[@rogerrasmussen6620]

This is why I'm a Bahai because it made sense to me that all of the religions are from God. He sent messengers to all cultures to develop them in a progressive way. However some cultures were undeveloped so many of their teachings were man-made and reflected the state of their thinking. Other messengers were sent to help develop their sense of justice.

[@nadinewhite993]

​​@@rogerrasmussen6620An invisible creature that is malevolent is hardly something that can dispense fair rational justice. The god of the Bible has killed everything that has ever died, has killed trillions upon trillions of life forms on this planet through disease and murder and starvation and floods and by being ripped apart and predated upon... This malevolent creature killed billions over absolute trivia including children. It takes some serious warping of the mind to think the universe's biggest serial killer is something to be admired and worshipped.

[@BBigelow666]

Holy crap... I was starting to think I was the only one. Admittedly, this is your first video I have watched and I am glad I did. Thank you for the courage to post this and videos like this. I reached this point in my faith around the same age... 30 something years ago. And also went on a search for the truth that took me on quite a journey geologically as well as spiritually. I find it amazing that most Christians never fully read the bible for themselves and allow others to selectively tell them what it says and means. No one wants to think critically about what it says. Also most Christians never know or realize that the Roman catholic church, when it assimilated the church (yes ROME) In the 3rd century AD and cut, I think it was 33 books from the Bible, and decided what would be "canon". The infancy gospel of Jesus was one of these... which puzzled me why they cut it. It was a beautiful book which illustrated that Jesus was a human with Devine gifts.. and subject to human emotions. And covered all the time the Bible left out... from the Manger til he re-emerged at age 12 in the temple to shame the pharisees. Many troubling books were also cut which called the narrative into question that Rome wanted the Bible to put forth. It is also funny to me how many "Christian holidays" are pagan holidays repurposed to draw favor from more non-Christians. I applaud you for this video and others. Keep them coming.. consider me a new subscriber :) you enlightened me on something I had somehow missed tho. I never could reconcile where the Bible says "God is the same today, yesterday and forever"... I was like "no, God in the old testament was angry and vengeful, but that was different Than the agenda put forth in the new testament... but I see in your shared verses... that no, he is the same. 😮 it did also always come thru to me that the old testament was never meant to apply to "gentiles", it was supposed to be only for God's chosen people, the Jewish people. And it wasn't til Jesus' sacrifice that gentiles could be "saved". But that is neither here nor there... I am actually agreeing with what you said.. merely offering a little bit of what I have also come to understand after my own 30+ years of searching for truth. My sister gets so angry at me when I say "i believe in God, but I don't believe in Christians" (couldn't tell you exactly who God is or concisely definte him or her... but I do believe in god) anyways.. thanks for hearing my thoughts

[@fareedosman516]

Try learning about Islam by reading the Qur'an. I'll clarify any difficulty you may have

[@johnsperry9494]

@@fareedosman516 I read part of the Quran until I got too disgusted. The Quran has even more insane bullsh*t than the Bible. My "difficulty" is that it is stupid.

[@caleb_sully24]

Read Genesis!

[@fareedosman516]

The Qur'an will clarify any questions you may have. İt is God's Last Message to humanity. Don't take my word for it, listen yourself and read

[@JGLy22086]

I agree with a lot of this. I grew up southern Baptist and only began to really investigate how I felt in the last 40 years. I’m 85. I am now an agnostic. I have friends who are SRF which has a lot in common with Hinduism. They are very welcoming and acknowledge christ as a religious leader.

[@jeremeymcmillan4575]

“Intentionally creates people to go to hell”. Exactly. I had a problem with that for a long time.

[@sichi9]

if only you have an idea how much satan has,flipped the world upside down you would have an idea why GOD is angry go to your search bar and search ;the true manifestation of evil, start from there

[@georgeruth1794]

In Romans 9, Paul is talking to the Jews. Many Jews believed that only they could get into heaven and gentiles could not. Paul is telling the Jews that God can save anyone he wants. He says who are the Jews to question Gods mercy. Hope this help 🙏

[@sethbaggins]

That world view only applies if you are Calvinist. Most Christians don't believe that falsity.

[@rickywheeler6054]

God did not create people just to go to hell, but he knew who would and would not choose his gift of love....free will remember?

[@game__changer1515]

God did not intentionally create people to go to hell. God created people. Yes he knew that most of us would choose hell over him. Would it be right if God only created people who would obey him? If the government had a way of knowing how a person would turn out, would it be right of them to kill every child that would grow to disobey them?

[@maargenbx1454]

I don’t get how anyone gets past the part where the main character drowns just about every man, woman, child, and animal on the planet without realizing this story is about an anti-hero, at best.

[@ungmd21]

I hope you can find truth and happiness in your journey. I have asked many of the same questions you have. Regarding Psalm 137 it is a song of despair. Many of the psalms are expressions of emotions that we all experience. I believe God allows these to be written because he knows how we feel when we are desperate. We need to express our feelings and the Bible has many examples of people doing that. Not much different like "Fire and Rain" by James Taylor. I respect your feelings, questions and arguments. But I have experienced and suffered much in my 70 years both personally and with caring for people in my job as a physician. The toughest question I have pondered is: who am I and where did I come from? I know everything there is to know neurologically about the brain but I don't know where my thoughts and original ideas come from. There is no part of the brain I can point to or dissect and say that is the seat of the mind. If it is true that we are made in God's image, that would explain alot. But if we were just a product of random probability , then our thoughts are the result of random motion or neurotransmitters and don't really mean anything. So if there is a God and He created us , then there is a meaning to life. I still don't understand it all and have many questions. If time permitted, I could discuss the other verses you mentioned but I wish to have a meaningful discussion with you if you like and I truly hope the best for you.

[@ecerejo]

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[@rickrolledreviews186]

I think this would be what is known as an "argument from incredulity" - because we can't [currently] explain everything about the human mind, it does not automatically point to a God. I also believe that I don't need belief in a God to find meaning and purpose in my life. Kristi has only scratched the surface with the problematic things in the Bible - there is so, so much more. I think the question I would ask you is, outside of just wanting a God to exist as an explanation for life and it's purpose, what evidence do you have that supports the claim that God exists (and that it's the Christian God as opposed to one of the many other gods that people have faith in)?

[@unzima00911]

🙏🔥😇

[@ungmd21]

It’s not my job to prove God exists I was just sharing my thoughts and well wishes for everyone with sincere questions. We all are on this journey to the grave together. I might suggest that we ask God if he exists that he shows us in whatever way he will

[@rickrolledreviews186]

@@ungmd21 I don't think anyone can even provide enough evidence that would convince people of any god's existence. It would be great if God revealed himself to everyone but either there's people like me who he just doesn't care about or he just doesn't exist.

[@jaw147]

Amazing! I've been following questioning resources like this for decades and this is some of the best focused examples and discussions I've seen in a very long time! Bless you for publishing this and for the work you did to produce it!

[@childofgod4862]

Bless you??? Who gonna bless her? And what God do you believe in that will bless her? There are two powers in this world #1 Good which we call God and #2 Evil power whom we call Satan.

[@Bob31415]

Why do you say "Bless you"??? You come across as very confused.

[@otahkeki1111]

I admit, the 4th in the list is tough. But I understood how ruthless their era was. God promised them a land, and that land was occupied by other tribes. What God did, was to lead them to battle, so they take the land by right of conquest. Yes, they were told to kill the men and take their wifes and children to add them to their numbers (as slaves or not?). Even when knowing all of that, hard to take in....but nothing give me the right to judge a nation who escaped slavery and lead by God!

[@whitespider7901]

Wow this person has a whole lot more sense of moral, justice and good more than most of the people I've ever met in my life. Whatever haters say about you, please never give up, maybe this IS your purpose in life. I believe you're doing the right thing, questioning everything, even god himself. I always respected and aspired people like you. Praise to you

[@UndercoverScambaiter]

I lost my niece recently. She was the most kindest and loving person. She would never say anything bad about anyone ever. She wasn't a believer. If a God sent her to hell because of that, he is an evil monster.

[@Dalton_Boardman2000]

​@@UndercoverScambaiterVery sorry about your niece. I have nieces and nephews that I love dearly and it's sad you went through losing one of them. I just wanted to say that there's so many non Christian religions/cultures on Earth that most of humanity would go to Hell just for never even knowing about Jesus. Do you think the uncontacted tribes that live in south America know a play by play of Christ's crucifixion and dying for "their" sins? No, the Bible sets unrealistic and unfair rules for us to follow. It's completely rigged so only the supposedly correct people get in on that exclusive club. It's easier to just make up our own custom idea of an afterlife and wait until death arrives to prove us right or wrong. There's really no legit alternative to that, at least not to me. If a (hopefully non religion specific) Heaven exists for good people that want it I'm sure your niece made it there. Personally I want to get the reincarnation treatment. I like living on Earth and going for another round would be better for me than drinking margaritas with dead celebrities at a cosmic beach that has rainbow waves and an infinite snack bar.

[@UndercoverScambaiter]

@@Dalton_Boardman2000 thank you for your kind words. Even Christians aren't "safe" according to the Bible. I hope you get you desire to be reincarnated. For me, I don't want to live forever, I want to rest in eternal peace.

[@alexnicolae2514]

​@UndercoverScambaiter brother I guarantee you she is not going to hell

[@UndercoverScambaiter]

@@alexnicolae2514 thank you. I don't believe she is there either. Wherever she is, she will be in peace.

[@avery9239]

as an atheist this displayed perfectly why even if god was real, i would not devote my life to him.

[@michaelwedding9648]

Thank you, thank you. For so long I have had those feelings about the Bible and religion but didn’t have words to express it. I was raised and educated catholic. I was told the Catholic Church was the one true church and always questioned that. After all, what happens to others. I read a book by actor/entertainer Steve Allen. He wrote a book mentioning the contradictions in the Bible. I’ve always questioned why we are allowed free will but are discouraged from using it. You touched on so many things and I agree wholeheartedly. I believe we should be able to live our lives freely, treating others with respect and dignity, but living and enjoying life without guilt or shame. Thank you. So well done.

[@paulyeatman303]

Steve Allen was a Unitarian Universalist. You should check it out We were married by a female UU minister.

[@stevepierce6467]

That question, what happens to others, was the first big crack in my faith structure, brought on by a discussion with a vehemently (angrily) devout evangelical. I doubt he ever realized that his words had the opposite of their intended effect. I am now an atheist since 1969.

[@darkworld5026]

The Mormons and the Jehovah Witnesses claim to the the only "true church." Catholic doctrine is steeped in falsehoods and heresy. Rebelling against God is your choice, but hell is full of "nice" respectful people.

[@stevepierce6467]

@@darkworld5026 I cannot "rebel" against an entity which has never been shown to exist. According to other churches, each one is the only true church and all others are steeped in falsehoods and heresy. I'm going with "They are all full of falsehoods and heresy." And until you show me one single solitary person who is in hell, or even that hell exists, I do not feel particularly threatened (and threats is all you have to coerce folks to follow your sect). If you have something actually true to say, you will be able to bring evidence to back it up.

[@Mr.HotRod]

@@stevepierce6467 Good 4 U......:-))

[@chennebicken372]

First time, I have seem this channel and it immediately feels really positive. I like this, because it takes the hate out of the controversy and seems self-reflected.

[@darkmikel001]

Romans 9:16 - It does not depend on human desire and effort, but on God's mercy.. This is because people can have evil desires and effort that they justify themselves as good intentions but having bad actions (Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, also Jeremiah 17:9 - The heart is deceitful - who could understand it. Psalms 137:9 - Expresses human desires told by the psalmist - the bible did not asks Christians and NO it is not fine to God's eyes to do this, instead it says (Romans 12:17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone.) Deuteronomy 22:28-29 - Old law used during Moses time.. There are a lot of weird laws created by man during that time (You can have a field day but). And yes it wasn't part of the 10 commandments because it says (Exodus 20:17 - Thou shall not covet.... - this refers to everything that your neighbor has (including that persons virginity)) - The problem is that not all of the commandments can't cater for all the possible situations, this is why man made laws were created in form of Moses Law. (Like laws formed by a government from the old times) Deuteronomy 20:10 - Another one.. -> (Exodus 20:17) - There are a lot of this things created to handle people during their time with their limited wisdom and knowledge.. Do you know why anyone doesn't apply this anymore? Because for one, we are not those Israelites.. Second is that we have new man made laws that made more sense now, at least some of them (This differs per country or where you live in also differs on who leads it) John 3:16 - Your points made no sense to even reach this part as your argument wanted to use your first 4 to negate God's love. For me at least, I think it was taken out lf context.. Not sure it if was taken out of context on purpose but I sure did learned a lot.. Thank you. God bless

[@otahkeki1111]

All who follow this line of thinking, as displayed in the video, are such arrogant, ignorant and spoiled children. Who actually are not trying to find God or to know Him. What you're doing is trying to impose your "highly moral" standard on God. You need to understand the irony of your arrogance, specialy because there is a pathetic side to it! You see, this Human rights inspired moral education you got, you got it from Christianity. YES, Human rights, equality, etc are all inspired by judeo-christianity and the Bible. If you didn't know, go check it, history will tell you how you are taking advantage from christian values. Lastly, if you are atheists, you need to understand, if there is no creator, we are a cosmic accident, and this world wouldn't have order and intelligence in it's design. There wouldn't be science, math or your minds as evidence. Moral would be subjective and there would be no right of wrong. But life doesnt come from none-life, which there is no example for it. You lack common sense and wisdom, you're not humble at all to try to grasp what's in front of you. Fact is, you won't have one excuse when facing judgement. Enjoy your insignificant arrogance while you can. I'll pray for you as long as I can. I admit, the 4th in the list is tough. But I understood how ruthless their era was. God promised them a land, and that land was occupied by other tribes. What God did, was to lead them to battle, so they take the land by right of conquest. Yes, they were told to kill the men and take their wifes and children to add them to their numbers. Even when knowing all of that, hard to take in....but nothing give me the right to judge a nation who escaped slavery and lead by God!I admit, the 4th in the list is tough. But I understood how ruthless their era was. God promised them a land, and that land was occupied by other tribes. What God did, was to lead them to battle, so they take the land by right of conquest. Yes, they were told to kill the men and take their wifes and children to add them to their numbers. Even when knowing all of that, hard to take in....but nothing give me the right to judge a nation who escaped slavery and lead by God!

[@christerrence5049]

I started to question my faitjh when my awakening started. Now, I've stopped going to church, and I was very devoted. My church colleagues say I'm attacked by the spirit of unbelief. I see it as a manipulative and coercive I just don't submit to anything that is fear based!

[@rosihayes8254]

hi christerrence I just started going to church after some 30 years of not going. I don't know how long that will last, because my observation is, that most christians/churches operate on fear of hell and collecting brownie points for heaven. I also noticed over and over, that they just read over and ignore certain controversial verses. Which most of you guys do as well. You also cling to the favorite dogmas of 'christianity" , namely heaven and hell. Check out verses like 1 timothy 6:16. uh, no, you are not immortal. or Malachi 4 or some verses in Psalm 37 and on and on. you die and dead means dead. And in the end, everything bad and evil is being destroyed, in a big fire and afterwards nothing is left of them but ashes. check your bible. You are not going to heaven when you die. 45 years ago or so. there was an offer of I believe 5000 bucks, if you can show a scripture that says that the saved will go to heaven, or that unbelievers will go to an everburning hell. The money was never claimed. Once you realize there is no such thing as an everburning hell, things shift around a bit. On this planet evil is actually necessary to teach you a lot of things. Did you ever read in the bible of getting your reward in this world? Apply this to pharao and etc.. Riches and palaces and power and girls and who knows. And afterwards it is all over for him. Just like you atheists believe. Check out Dr Michael Heiser on the unseen realm. Why did God give his son and why did he have to not only die but to die on the cross? Certainly not to keep you out of hell.

[@twitherspoon8954]

@@rosihayes8254 _"Why did God give his son..."_ The Bible makes it clear that a human descendant of David, not God, was the father of Jesus. The terms, "seed", "flesh", "root", "fruit of his loins", and "offspring" mean that Jesus was the biological son of Joseph. Matthew 1:1 "This is the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David." John 6:42 "They said, "Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I came down from heaven’?” Acts 2:30 "Therefore being a prophet [David], and knowing that God had sworn an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne." Hebrews 2:16 "For he [Jesus] took not the nature of angels, but the seed of Abraham." Acts 13:23 "Of David's seed hath God, according to his promise, raised unto Israel a savior, Jesus." Romans 1:3 "Concerning his son Jesus Christ, who was made of the seed of David according to the flesh." 2 Timothy 2:8 "Remember that Jesus Christ is the seed of David." Revelation 22:16 "I, Jesus have sent my angel to testify unto you these things in the churches; I am the root (progeny) and the offspring of David." John 1:45 “We have found the one Moses wrote about in the Law, and about whom the prophets also wrote; Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.” Matthew 9:27 "When Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him, crying, and saying, thou son of David, have mercy on us." Jesus had brothers and sisters (not half-brothers and half-sisters): Galatians 1:19 "I saw none of the other apostles--only James, the Lord's brother." Mark 6:3 "Is this not the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of James, Joses, Judas, and Simon? And are His sisters not here with us?" Matthew 13:55-56 “Isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't his mother's name Mary, and aren't his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? Aren't all his sisters with us?"

[@twitherspoon8954]

@@rosihayes8254 _"Why did God give his son..."_ God stated multiple times that he has multiple sons, multiple "begotten" sons, and multiple first-born sons, presumably with his wives, Asherah, Aholah and Aholibah. Jeremiah 31:9 Ephraim is God's first-born sone: "For I am the father of Israel, and Ephraim is my first-born." 2 Samuel 7:13-14 Solomon is God's son: "I will be his father, and he (Solomon) shall be my son." Luke 3:38 Adam is God's son: "Adam, who is the son of God." Psalm 2:7-8 David (the king set on Mount Zion) is God's begotten son: "Thou art my son; this day have I begotten thee." Genesis 6:2 "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose." Job 38:6-7 God's sons were present when the universe was created: "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy." Job 1:6 "One day the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them." The earliest account of primogeniture to be widely known in modern times involved Isaac's son Jacob being born second (Genesis 25:26) and Isaac's son, Esau being born first (Genesis 25:25) and entitled to the birthright, but eventually selling it to Isaac's second son, Jacob, for a small amount of food (Genesis 25:31-3). Exodus 4:22 Jacob is God's son and first-born: "Thus says the Lord; Israel is my son, my first-born." Ezekiel 23:4-20 "They were mine (God's) and gave birth to sons and daughters. For Aholibah lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like the genitals of donkeys and whose ejaculate were like the ejaculate of horses."

[@twitherspoon8954]

@@rosihayes8254 _"Why did God give his son and why did he have to not only die but to die on the cross?"_ Christians believe that God sent one of his sons to be tortured and killed as a sacrificial offering (a practice adopted from Paganism). They worship this father who sent one of his sons to be tortured and executed (and literally called it a sacrifice) as part of a ritual intended to appease a god. In Christian theology, atonement refers to the forgiving of sin through God's sacrifice of Jesus. Paul created Christianity in 48 AD and this is how he put it: Romans 8:32 "He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all." 1 Corinthians 5:7 "Christ our passover is sacrificed for us." Romans 3:25 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement." Romans 5:8 "God showed his great love for us by sending Christ to die for us." Hebrews 10:10 "We are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ."

[@bradleylove8606]

God our creator is Holy above our understanding. It's true man and religion mess things up but please don't give up on God. Yes our self will and sin gets in the way but he is maturing us believers so please don't give up on Him. He will help you through this life and lead you to eternal peace.

[@wepracticealchemy]

Well done, it’s so good to hear you speak of your journey to waking up and striving for the true care and love for beings. My heart sings 🎶

[@ronberryessa]

Well done. You presented your concerns with these scripture verses very well. Thanks.

[@ThatGuy-nr5sp]

Actually she didn’t.

[@howie9751]

@@ThatGuy-nr5sp Yes she did.

[@MachFiveFalcon]

Kristi, the (currently) 8.6K downvotes (still outnumbered by the 38K upvotes), the attacks by religious people in your comments, and Allen Parr "hit piece" on this video show that religious people feel **threatened** by the truth you discovered from your experiences. You're doing something right - great work!

[@kreed3494]

@@rickastley4295I was just thinking that lol

[@julypaw4366]

I don't know if they feel threatned I haven't watched Alan par video, but they could be giving more context or insight on this, ofc you should read the Bible yourself and ask for wisdom and discernment from God to know the truth

[@julypaw4366]

​@@rickastley4295I don't know if they feel threatned I haven't watched Alan par video, but they could be giving more context or insight on this, ofc you should read the Bible yourself and ask for wisdom and discernment from God to know the truth

[@julypaw4366]

​@@kreed3494I don't know if they feel threatned I haven't watched Alan par video, but they could be giving more context or insight on this, ofc you should read the Bible yourself and ask for wisdom and discernment from God to know the truth

[@julypaw4366]

We should seek God understand more than People understanding

[@paulthomas1165]

Oh how glad I am coming across your channel. My deconversion happened nearly 15 years ago and yes, it was like coming up and gasping for fresh air. Keep it up, Kristi, we desperately need some articulation of clarity and sound logic in believing the things that we do.

[@2fast2block]

I don't go to churches any longer but I didn't stop thinking either. 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. Creation had to be done supernaturally at some point.

[@JariSatta]

My deconversion story. Heaven is for people that believe, hell is for people that do not believe. I'm fine with that, so, I decided that I am no longer people, I am now a gila monster instead.

[@lilajagears8317]

@@JariSatta Laugh all you want, hell Is all to real (enjoy your "comedy routine) you will find out in the end

[@JariSatta]

@@lilajagears8317 You're just people

[@lilajagears8317]

@@JariSatta How profound.

[@carlyehooten7467]

The thought that "this is a man made book," that's where I started my deliberate deconstruction. Hell was the last. What "loving" god makes people just to damn them to eternal torment? Yeah, no f***ing way.

[@zorski1788]

This was my first realization as well. I asked and prayed and the only answers I would get “god works mysteriously” “we just need to have faith” yeah, not good enough, it was written by man, interpreted by man. And rewritten, and reinterpreted

[@jenniperkins4260]

It’s been hard to lose my faith especially w my family being so evangelical. My son went to seminary and came out an atheist. I’ve been free from religion after 48 yrs. It’s still hard to lose what I thought was real but I’d rather know the truth.

[@A-non-theist]

Atheist not atheist. Lol That's the first step, wanting your beliefs to be true as possible. Don't give in to the blood cult baby killing skydaddy.

[@faysedore6535]

It's to be a relationship with Him not a religion. God said His "religion" is caring for the widows & orphans, those marginalized.

[@A-non-theist]

@@faysedore6535 God didn't say crap, the immoral BS bible that condones slavery, genocide, sex slavery baby slaughtering etc did.

[@A-non-theist]

@@faysedore6535 caring for Orphans? Then why does your mythical god allow 15,000 plus children to suffer and die from starvation and diseases everyday fking day ?

[@NovusIgnis]

The problem is you were religious. You haven't found a new master, you still serve satan. All religions exist to put an obstacle between humans and God. God never called us into a religion with Him, He called us into a relationship with Him.

[@caitlinjones1650]

i love watching as someone who’s never actually been christian / religious ! this is so educating for everyone !! 💗

[@jezebelvibes]

Oh wow! I had no idea people who weren't christian or deconstructing from Christianity were watching my videos. I love that ❤

[@ginoceli5205]

this woman knows nothing about the bible dont listen to her

[@51elephantchang]

Me too I can't remember ever actually believing religious mythologies.

[@russellmiles2861]

@@jezebelvibes I think it is an American thing. While I has a Christian upbringing and know there are 13 not 12 Tribes. My mother's family were more indifferent and dad's somewhat mad. It may be inherited insanity but I don't recall as a child ever thinking there was a god. It just seemed silly. The folk at church were nice and it was latter a place to met girls. I knew devout folk. No one ever asked me what I thought. To be honest I was a tad jealous of the devout ones as they seem to have some plan. But I have never been one for plans so it doesn't bother me

[@bruceolga3644]

Ewe huemans are fixed ribosome with subroutine programmed platforms.....

[@steveglover6411]

I love how you said, “I just came up with a more moral solution.” Because it proves that morality is not the sole domain of religion. It’s often the main cause for immoral acts. Thank you for sharing your experience and thoughts on this subject. It’s the most frustrating part of discussing these things with religious people. Society supporting and not condemning victims of assault.👍 Imagine that 😊👍

[@calebhusby4107]

Your first two sentences make no sense. This was actually one of the largest fallacies in the video. Morality does not exist without a transcendent foundation. What does "MORE moral" mean for someone who doesn't believe in a god? To what external standard of morality are you referring? In the beginning of the video, she says something like 'I no longer look for absolute truth.' If you are skeptical about absolute truth, there can be no MORE or LESS moral things. It could only be your opinion.

[@eddiefranken128]

Dear Kristi , I am 60 years young and struggle all my life with my Catholic background . Only now since a year or so I dare to ask myself questions about the bible , about the existance of God , even the historical existance of Jesus. It costs me a lot of overwinning fear to write this ! Therefore I am sincerely deep interested in how you treat this subject. You are clear in what you say and very reasonable , to me ( don't get me wrong here ) you are like a soothing mother who comforts a very frightend child. Excuse for my English because I'm from the Netherlands. What you say about choises is absolutely true , one can not switch on and of just like that. The contrary's of a God who talks about wrath and slavery and killing people and blame people who He himself created , it doesn't make sense to me anymore. I think the greatest joy of life is just living ! There is unjustice because not everyone can enjoy life for several reasons , but if it's given to a person to live and enjoy life , just live and thats it ! I am on a yourney with this subject , and it just started for me , thats how indoctrinated we were as a child , and it',s not my parents to blame , they were indoctrinated also and had no youtube or something else to went to . I must thank you for your video's because it makes a moment of a break in my daily thinking about things , in this case the bible but it's also a good thing to stay critical in other things too. But the greater the message of fear threatens one , the greater a critical mind must be ! I follow your video"s and Thank you very very much in helping an "old" man in the struggle of the confusing world of religion. all the best for you ! Eddie

[@christianbergmann8114]

"I don't know" is the most honest response to these things. Also it gives us the opportunity to at least know something in the future probably while still admitting, that probably we'll never know.

[@tobymaltby6036]

And it's *perfectly OK* to say, simply; "I don't know"...

[@joseolvera2223]

I AM HAPPY TO HEAR PEOPLE LIKE YOU. FREE THINKER, OPEN MINDED, CURIOUS ENOUGH TO QUESTION EVERYTHING😊

[@ikd4895]

REALLY ENJOYED this video. So well spoken. It made me think of something that frequently happen in the factory I work in. When a supervisor wants an employee to work harder they will say that upper management isn’t happy with your performance and you need to work harder. Yet when you happen to talk to upper management they never mention your work. It’s a great way to scare someone into working harder by putting it on “the people upstairs”. I see the same idea repeated over and over in the Bible. My idea of God has been a tough journey as I was raised a Jw. At 55 I accept God as - my grandsons laughter, my first look at the ocean after being away for a long time and the way the sun feels on my skin when spring finally comes. Best I can do, I hope he or she is ok with that.

[@TREVASLARK]

Very nice, thank you.

[@alieninthecaribbean]

All of these passages I am familiar with and they also helped in my deconstruction as well. There is another Bible Passage about rape, which says if a woman is raped in the city and nobody knows she should be put to death because clearly, she did not scream: Deuteronomy 22:25-27 The Christian denomination I was raised in would shun any female members who reported rape if they deemed she did not look like she fought hard enough. They would use this passage to justify it. So a perfectly innocent member who was raped or sexually assaulted would get disciplined and condemned and disfellowshipped for the crime of fornication because some male elders decided they do not look physically damaged enough. In my later work in raising awareness of Gender Based Violence here in the Caribbean, I would learn about trauma responses to sexual assault which include freezing up and getting into a catatonic state. Not all women fight and scream while raped. Many just freeze and mentally detach. How many women were killed under that PRIMITIVE, MISOGYNISTIC, TRIBAL law written by men? The Bible Passages detailing the genocide of all the Canaanite people came up in an impactful movie about Jews during the Holocaust who while in the concentration camps put Yahweh on trial. They concluded at the end of it Yahweh is an EVIL deity. Here is a clip from it. It is VERY moving. kzbin.info/www/bejne/l2SyknarqNWDl6c KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!

[@mrlacksoriginality4877]

That isnt what Deutronomy 22:25-27 says, it says the man should die if she is raped. NIV: "25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 26 Do nothing to the woman; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor, 27 for the man found the young woman out in the country, and though the betrothed woman screamed, there was no one to rescue her."

[@jakegreen5081]

@@mrlacksoriginality4877 Deuteronomy 22:23-24

[@mrlacksoriginality4877]

@@jakegreen5081 "Deuteronomy 22:23-24 New International Version 23 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, 24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death-the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife."

[@toydigger]

​@jake green that has to do with adultery.

[@jakegreen5081]

@@toydigger No it isn't. Deuteronomy 22:23 The woman is *not* married, but engaged. Deuteronomy 22:22 is a married woman.

[@garybannack1823]

Very interesting, your perspective is some food for thought. Looking forward to hear more.