5 Countries that Might Exist Before 2030

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[@Laura-kl7vi]

Bwahahahaha! That you could keep a straight face when saying the name of this product proves your worth as a presenter and sponsor! Surely you must have laughed behind the scenes. I don't know how they make money it's such a ridiculous turn off of a name.

[@slcpunk2740]

Left the room and came back just in time to see the name on screen ... "wtf is Shea Thunderwear?!" 😂🤦🏻‍♂️

[@TheAnonymousKnightOfJustice]

Mate, since you forget to say some instead you said many. Whitch is incorrect considering the government's of the provinces and schools are on unity side. And fewer and fewer are radical terrorist extremist rebels . And because of that, even thoug I like you. I MUST DISLIKE YOU FOR BEING INCORRECT!. IM sure regular indonesians who saw your unneutral narrative wound already done that and be quiet about it!.😢😭🙏🏻

[@willx9352]

Catalonia’s case is different from that of Scotland. Scotland has had an independence referendum sanctioned by the UK government. The Spanish government refuses to allow a referendum in Catalonia.

[@michaelball93]

The UK government is unlikely to let them have another one for a long time. Both main parties in Westminster are strongly opposed.

[@ChristiaanHW]

but the situation in the UK has changed drastically since the referendum so Scotland deserves to have another one. in the last one England scared the Scots by saying: Leaving the UK means you leave the EU to and that would hurt Scotland a lot. but now the UK itself has left the EU and pulled Scotland down with them. so because a lot of the votes to stay in the UK were just to stay in the EU, and they aren't in the EU anymore. they deserve another vote for either: - Stay in the UK - Leave the UK, and gain sovereignty over your own country. and be able to make your own choices for your own people. like (re)joining the EU. it's really hypocritical for England to leave the EU because of sovereignty but denying the sovereignty of Scotland in the next sentence

[@willx9352]

@@ChristiaanHW Brexit makes the case for independence even more problematic.

[@jasonswan7646]

It's a joke honestly. Having to ask another country for the right to hold a referendum seems mental to me. They call us a drain, steal our resources, and then refuse to let us choose our own direction, such as with Brexit.

[@gothicgolem2947]

@@willx9352exactly I’d they became independent and rejoined the eu how would they solve the border?

[@ignitionfrn2223]

0:45 - Chapter 1 - Republic of west papua 2:15 - Mid roll ads 3:25 - Back to the video 6:10 - Chapter 2 - Bougainville 8:40 - Chapter 3 - New caledonia 11:30 - Chapter 4 - Catalonia 15:15 - Chapter 5 - Ambazonia

[@AbbasBinYounas]

You're a hero!

[@tryplt]

Yes thank you

[@chadgaming8071]

west cape

[@mark.J6708]

Thank you.

[@Deelom100]

He forgot Flanders in the video

[@mirthenary]

Ambazonia sounds like a region wants independence from Brazil, but there already was a copyright on it

[@benhobart]

there is a region that wants independence from bazil called amazonia, it's small and unpopular though

[@russellfitzpatrick503]

As regards the Catalonian question the issue of independence for this area may reawaken the desire of Basques for independence (an issue that goes back decades, and has led to much bloodshed in the past) ... and this may have consequences for France as well. Surprised Scotland wasn't on the list as that's the most likely one to succeed before 2030

[@julianhuntly9622]

Scotland is already a sovereign country. They want to leave the Union.

[@foreignofficeclub5815]

Saor Alba

[@slayingroosters4355]

​@@foreignofficeclub5815I imagine Scotland wasn't included just because it is an independent country already with its own separate government, it's just England's b!π©h 😂

[@ignatiusryd2031]

What do you expect?? Simon is a brits and he would most likely downplayed the possibilities of Scotland breaks away from UK and focusing elsewhere even if the scenario of Scottish independence already become a giant elephant sitting on Westminster.

[@TheRealWilliamWhite]

He mentioned it, I'm admittedly not up to date on it but I haven't heard of violent protests arising from the Scottish independence movement. There isn't much of a story there.

[@scooby45247]

SPAIN: better to have a friend and ally in a neighbor than a hostile occupant of your home..

[@JavierGarcia-nm4zr]

Wait what? The only hostiles here are the far-right extremists leading Catalonia into an internal civil war. Those populists (mostly the old rural and traditional aristocratic families) only want government positions to gain more and more power, and they find it pretty easy painting Spain as the enemy, focusing on the differences instead of what unites them. Re-writing history, falsifying information and dealing with regimes like Putins Russia (they even agreed to have 10.000 Russian troops in Catalonia to “help” them) or xenophobic like the far right in Belgium is the day to day for them. I truly enjoy Simon channels but on the Catalonian topic they really need a good deep dive into how perverse, anti-European and backwards the Catalonia independence movement is.

[@deleted-something]

What

[@EstamosDe]

​@@deleted-somethingscooby is allegedly giving an advice to spain

[@scooby45247]

@@deleted-something its common sense.. which would you prefer personally?

[@Cheka__]

@@scooby45247 I think your comment is a bit confusing. Are you saying that Spain is saying that it's better to have a friend than a foe in the country? Or, are you telling Spain that it's better to have a friend than a foe in their country?

[@litus92]

On Catalonia one important thing was not mentioned which is that the participation in the 2017 referendum was 42% of the voters. Also, on the last Catalan elections while the pro independence parties have more seats they have 74 seats out of 135 not 70 out of 74

[@moritamikamikara3879]

42? That's not too bad

[@sxxrpientes5512]

it is pretty bad considering that just 45% of Catalans were in favor of independence at the time (now is even lower) and the participation of people that was anti-independence was near to 0, and speaking about zeros that is the amount of transparency that voting had@@moritamikamikara3879

[@Jofre_]

I’m catalonian i love Catalonia

[@geraldprechtelmeyers2319]

I feel like your comment is propaganda with a little truth at the end to prop it up an make it seem impartial.

[@DiegoF1ores]

​Not that bad? Literally less than half of the population voted for something very important​@@moritamikamikara3879

[@ChineseKiwi]

1:23 - The Netherlands in reality also knew of the mineral resources in the area at the time and was still quite resistant to let go of the colonies.

[@SiPakRubah]

Around 50% of Dutch are still proud with their colonial power And this poll was done like a few years back They probably preferred to keep Indonesia and Suriname for themselves and probably put them under the Kingdom of the Netherlands like in Aruba and Netherlands Antilles

[@richardcostello360]

They knew something us Aussies didn't......that Indonesia is a worse colonial power than the Dutch could ever be The paupan people need to join up with New Guinea

[@moordityamoordi9098]

@@SiPakRubah Then we Indonesian, must give those nasty Netherland a taste of " Bamboe Runcing" (Sharp Bambo Stick)🤣😂

[@moordityamoordi9098]

@@richardcostello360 then becomes more impoverished, like New Guinea. By the way, have you visit West Papua? What kind of colonial power you talking about? That was a stupid non-sense🤣🤣🤣

[@superhond1733]

​@@richardcostello360i agree. New Guinea is not the richest country. But it would still be better for the people there.

[@adamwynn1001]

There’s also an interesting push for independence on the resort island of Roatan. They’re part of Honduras officially, but are several miles off the island. They speak English primarily, while the mainland speaks Spanish, and they feel a great deal of resentment towards the Honduran government for taking so many of the island’s resources and tax revenue for the mainland.

[@lucario2188]

Nah, they aren't even relevant. Maybe one or 2 crazy guys like those guys wanting Independece for the Mexican State of Nuevo Leon. They are small and a minority.

[@PaulJohn01]

Weren't many of the Black English speaking residents of Roatan moved their by the English ? I've actually met people from there but never visited.

[@geoguru32]

Fascinating! Thank you!

[@Eterif]

Can you cite information, i am from Honduras never heard of this and would be interested to read more about it, from what i know Roatán has many special priviliges, having its own Zone of Economic Development and Employment (ZEDE).

[@Cyclemuch]

Thanks for taking the time to make this. You really made it so clear anyone can understand it regardless of prior knowledge.

[@daien_yu]

The map of West Papua is wrong. What you showed us is map of Province of West Papua (one of province in Indonesia). But if you talk about Republic of West Papua, you have to entirely put the west part of Papua Island, which consists of 2 province of Indonesia: Papua and West Papua.

[@mumupragaming7833]

6! Hey, sekarang enam...

[@yourlocalkvt]

Yes

[@DiniKusuma]

Yeah ... the information in this video is outdated and pretty biased if I might say ... Fact is, many people outside Papua are so busy "imagining" about things happen in Papua, based on what media said, while they even have never witnessed or talked to the Papuans themself, face to face ... asking them if they really want to be apart from Indonesia or not ... well

[@sultan9givewey]

@@DiniKusuma usual west double standart while blind eye to COLONIZATION and Aborigin Australia

[@MusMasi]

@@DiniKusuma how are they suppose to ask when foreigners, media, and human rights organizations are banned from the region? Open it up so the world can go and ask.

[@KKILLIAN]

all 100 of simons channels doing pretty well. wonder what total theyre bringing in

[@timothygreer188]

I heard he just left Top Tenz, Geographics and Biographics

[@VinnyUnion]

​@@timothygreer188That's at least -30% less revenue!

[@MultiDivebomber]

West Papua won't be independent....people on the major coastal cities are loyal to Indonesia. Many thousands West Papuans have joined Indonesian armed forces. Those rebels are just fragmented groups in the mountains who terrorizing fellow Papuans who raise Indonesian flag.

[@notsharingwithyoutube]

I would like to see Taiwan, Tibet, and Manchuria emerge soon.

[@Egbe21]

As someone who lives in southern Cameroon I’m just frustrated with the fighting Lot of people have lost their lives The government was simply asked to go back to a federal republic but they chose fighting

[@sbccmichaelkelly]

I’ve been to Barcelona and Catalonia, it was incredible to visit.

[@Rob-t4z7x]

And what have your travels got to do with the price of fish?

[@michaelmayhem350]

I can't believe the people's republic of Whistler isn't on this list 😂

[@deleted-something]

What

[@MrNorker77]

@@deleted-something That's the country where all the Simon clones live while not currently making a video

[@deleted-something]

@@MrNorker77 I don't get it

[@techn1kal1ty]

There's no People's Republic of Whistler, if anything it's a dictatorship

[@MrNorker77]

@@deleted-something Simon Whistler is the host of several youtube channels and it has gotten to be a running gag that he has several clones that do the work.

[@gideonhorwitz9434]

12:05 there is a misconception about Catalonia independence despite it being a popular idea on the internet on the ground with the actual people isn’t as popular as you think it is. Catalans outside Barcelona are more likely to vote to remain in Spain. The last referendum vote was illegal under the Spanish constitution and technically illegitimate. 12:52 Simon intentionally left out some key details to spin his narrative by all democratic standards for a referendum to succeed you need a majority of 50% + of all the eligible voters only 43% of the actual population voted 89% in favor of 43% is not a majority. The cantalan leaders in the parliament passed that legislation despite not representing the majority of their constituents.

[@Jaztins]

Your comment is correct edcep5 for the fact that Catalans outside of Barcelona are a lot more independentist than the ones in the Barcelona metropolitan area. Barcelona and it's metro area is where most of the Against independence vote concentrates. The only exception is Tarragona and Vall d'aran.

[@Physiker17]

I am surprised Kurdistan is not on the list, they are defacto independant in North Iraq.

[@mohannadkhalil2577]

True ❤️☀️💚

[@dennisgoatimer1079]

Yea but would Iraq make that legally binding it's remained to be seen especially by 2030

[@ΕυαγγελοςΑγγελος-ρ6ζ]

​@@dennisgoatimer1079Well Iraqi Kurdistan Is Autonomous But Not Independent Unfortunately But In My Opinion They Should Become Independent From Iraq

[@skyless_moon]

You should do one on failed attempts next, like the american civil war.

[@jessestaggs2136]

Another failed attempt would be the short-lived country of Biafra.

[@ExtremeWreck]

Ooooohhh, Freedonia. Freedonia was an attempt by a bunch of random college students & the website about this attempt has been archived through The Wayback Machine. It is glorious to look at because of how hilariously stupid it was. I really wanna hear more tales about like, 3 teenagers wanting to make independent countries & everyone else is like "what drugs are these teens on?".

[@ericbarber4297]

Am I the only one disappointed that Simon doesn't fully commit to the bit and model in the underwear he's selling? Or is that a patreon thing

[@jaded_gerManic]

🤣 underrated comment

[@Laura-kl7vi]

"Sheath", though. It made me recoil at the image even when he mentioned the name.

[@ericbarber4297]

@@Laura-kl7vi dude he's English every guy got a switchblade, Simon just has sheath for his lol

[@baalzeebub4230]

Just remember Simon, keep it in its sheath.

[@--enyo--]

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[@Eranu187]

You're pronunciation of Bougainville is shocking. Almost didn't know you were speaking about my homeland 😂

[@muratsahin2246]

What about Venice? Basque? Wales? Erdely? West Trakia? Crete? Genoa? Bavaria? Aquitaine? Bretagne? Naples?

[@15DEAN1995]

my understanding of the catalonia situation could be out dated but spain are unlikely to ever permit a split. as far as i recall catalonia is quite a rich part of the country, if spain was to lose it then theyd lose a massive amount of tax revenue. losing catalonia for spain would be like england losing london

[@OJOtheMojo]

That's true, but morally they're obligated to give it up and are no better than other occupiers

[@particles1101]

Yeah, a lot of people don't realize that most of Europe still consists of these countries within countries with quite a few regional languages. We're seeing a resurgence of old languages and cultures and I think it's great. The problem happens when the loud belligerent "Donald Trump" from each culture starts shit with everyone.

[@michaelm9975]

​​@warsmithalaricThis world has never been moral the only thing the people of this world understand is power to quote Mao Zedong 'all power comes from the barrel of a gun.'

[@migmiggul]

Morally??? 😂. Any repression that occurred in Catalonia in the past was felt by every Spaniard in Spain during the Franco regime. We can’t look to past regimes and say that the Catalans are now victimized (which is the independence faction’s lie to the international community) the current democratic government was approved by all Spaniards through referendum in 1978 and without any promise or guarantee that independence would ever be considered. There is ZERO repression by the national government against Catalans. If anything, there is repression from the regional government against non-Catalans. The 1978 constitution guarantees the sovereignty of the nation and bestows upon the government the absolute right to protect its sovereignty. Independence for Catalonia would be disastrous both economically and politically. Hundreds of major companies and investors (including Caixa Bank) left the region just on a mere possibility of independence that was never realized. The EU has already manifested they would not be permitted within the union after independence. Their claim to North Catalonia (within French borders) would immediately put them at odds with France. It’s never going to happen. There is no historical, legal or moral right to independence for Catalonia and it’s not what the majority want. This is not an occupier vs occupied situation. Catalan independence will never happen nor should it happen.

[@txellblanxer9060]

@@migmiggul innocent, ordinary people is held in prison and send to court just because. This deep State war is held to tell Catalonians not to be or vote for independence. They want us to be quiet and good boys. They want the fear to be installed in our bones,

[@HappyDays66666]

Would love to see you do a video on Klaus Schwab. He also has a lot of plans before 2030.

[@--enyo--]

You should do an ‘Into the Shadows’ video on West Papua. Missing here was how involved Australia was in f*cking them over and basically handing them to Indonesia (then persecuting whistleblowers…) and turning a blind eye to Indonesian atrocities against the Papuans, in exchange for kickbacks from their (environmentally devastating) mining and other resource-stripping activities.

[@frenzalrhomb6919]

Yeah, we did that to them and more. And even more again to East Timor, by setting our "National Security Apparatus" e.g, A.S.I.O, to spy on the East Timor Governmental Officers responsible for the negotiations for the new Sea Boarders between Australia and East Timor, which just so happens to sit directly above a huge deposit of Oil and Natural Gas in the Timor Sea. The Australian Government Official who became aware that we were going to try to screw over one of the World's smallest Countries for it's only large scale Natural Resource, using 21st Century Spying technology on a Country that had just come through an Indonesian led Genocide and a 35yr long insurgency and blew the Whistle to the Newspapers, is facing decades in Jail and so is the Journalist who wrote the story. Democracy and Capitalism, what a love affair!!

[@MKultramember]

How can papua govern itself when their organization and tribes always fight eachother? Plus there's the biggest gold mine, west clearly gonna exploit them and stole them

[@SetuwoKecik]

Funny that its the australian who are the loudest online about west papua.

[@moordityamoordi9098]

@@SetuwoKecik Coz, they were crazy for gold🤣🤣🤣

[@mentau1905]

if west papua were to become independent, it wont change much tbh. Natural recources are all gobbled up, im sure when they're independent theyll just end up being raw gold and cheap labour country to the west, 100% they'll also rely on indonesian products and exports since indonesia built all the infrastructure and are the closest there.

[@dayslikedis628]

Should of added Somaliland, a breakaway independent country. It is the new 55th country of Africa, after recently making a deal with Ethiopia, making them have a navy in the sea of 20km and Somaliland gets recognition in return.

[@chigozieosuoha7189]

And you fail to mention the independent of Biafra from Nigeria that's very much fast approaching to another new country fighting for independence.

[@Stamboul]

Not counting Bougainville, which is currently on its way to internationally recognized independence, West Papua has the most sympathetic case to make for independence, and Catalonia the least sympathetic.

[@SetuwoKecik]

The same group of rebels who fought for West Papuan independence were the same group whose supported Russian invasion of Ukraine. Talk about ironic

[@ZergrushEddie]

Ah yes, creating a new country. Just a little side project, ya know? :)

[@greywolf7577]

You have to have a real job to support yourself while you work on your hobby of creating a new country.

[@Kerguelen.Mapping]

liberland

[@ianshaver8954]

It’s only mega if you succeed.

[@muhammadnasir3347]

What about Poerto Rico, Scotland, Greenland, France Guenia?

[@diegocarmonapalma170]

Btw if you look at the general elections of 2023 you can perfectly see that pro-independence parties won 14 of the 41 seats Catalonia has in Congress against 27 seats of the unionists

[@thegrandlord2914]

Main problem of west papuan nationality to indonesia are more related to development of infrastructures and economy With massive development that west papua got in last 10 years, the percentage of nationalist west papuan who see them self as indonesian keep increasing. Meanwhile, the number of west papuan that stand against the separatist are also increasing. The day when this video uploaded, thousands of papuan are marching to celebrate indonesian independence. Months ago, papuan in several villages join the military to fight against the rebels. Not only the common citizen, hundreds of rebels also decided to put their gun down and return to become indonesian citizen With many of their member leaving their side to join indonesia, the rebels become more brutal. 2 months ago they shoot death 2 papuan ladies, left their corpse laying on the road side and hide in the nearest bush. They intentionaly killing 2 papuan lady and using their corpse as bait to lure indonesian police. When the police arrive to secure and evacuate the corpse, the rebel appear and shooting at the police, killing one. This is not only intentional murder by the rebel. In april, they murdering several papuan. One of them a highschooler boy

[@--enyo--]

Hi Indonesian government. How are you doing today? Yeah, keep putting out that propaganda and probably banning this video so we, the Australian government, never have to face the consequences of us totally f*cking those guys over. Definitely no human rights abuses and catastrophic environmental damage to see here!

[@2255223388]

Crazy that the first three are all in Melanesia (or nearby if you want to be tricky)

[@ryans9647]

its interesting how almost all of the potential countries are in or near Oceania

[@yourlocalkvt]

Yea we have many border and political disputes here in Oceania; especially the Melanesian region.

[@only_fair23]

A good chunk of Oceania are island regions/provinces, islands make making borders easier and generally have different Ethnicities.

[@yourlocalkvt]

@@only_fair23 Agree. Most disputes caused in the Pacific are mostly ethical problems like the Bougainville Civil War in Papua New Guinea and the Malaita problem in the Solomon Islands.

[@SohailSomwaru]

You’ve also got Quebec, The Basque, Spain 🇪🇸, Martinique 🇲🇶, The Dutch Caribbean (Aruba, Bonaire 🇧🇶 and Curaçao 🇨🇼), Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿, Hong Kong 🇭🇰, Tibet and Xinjiang (East Turkestan)

[@thebaron2277]

Listen we don't want Quebec either. I wish we could do a land swap with America exchanging Quebec for Alaska. 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦

[@Your_Local_Furry]

As a Newfoundlander, fuck Quebec stop trying to take Labrador when you are just gonna leave Canada anyway

[@GoingForth]

​@@thebaron2277Border gore

[@deivydasjuonys6487]

@user-jb7ru4nb8b Sint Marten (Netherlands), Saint Martin( France), San Andreas and Providencia ( Columbia).

[@lillithplays6514]

​@@thebaron2277American here. We have no interest in Quebec and I can't imagine Quebec wants to join us. (Also Alaska is one of our best states. I'd counteroffer Montana.)

[@dutchside33]

Hey Simon, I love this, but I need some more Casual Criminalist. I'm dying over here

[@nonbrynary]

I get ya, I'm a huge fan too. What, in your opinion was the most horrific episode? Sylvia Likens' murder was the one that broke me.

[@dutchside33]

@leftyscot3675 Honestly, I really like Simon's rants. He's hilarious. There isn't one particular case I find more favor with. They are all interesting.

[@--enyo--]

Just hook it to my veins.

[@mohamodabdulahifarah383]

You forget the most obvious one, Somaliland.

[@Weeboslav]

Somaliland is de facto independent,just not recognized

[@gemmascupoftea]

Yes, Simon kinda addressed that gathe begging.

[@kylemartin9215]

There's a few countries that are totally independent but you won't see on most maps Palestine, Transnistria, Somililand and whatever western Sahara real name is are a few i can think of. These countries have their own flags, government, and currency but for one reason or another aren't recognized. He could of done a video on countries like that, maybe one day they'll be fully recognized.

[@jaamacdagaale5145]

He didn't forget that's already a country with UN-member flag🇸🇴🇸🇴🇸🇴🇸🇴🇸🇴

[@zytrik1]

As a Catalonian myself I’d say that it’s unlikely that we’ll break away 😕

[@lloyddossantos1800]

Would the West Papua have similarities with Papua New Guinea in cultural terms? Could they unite to make the island 1 country?

[@osheridan]

Yep, there are also Papuan unionists within the freedom fighters.

[@Rickyrab]

Maybe the Papuans should unite.

[@fasha7747]

No. If you look at how many languages in Papua New Guinea, you would understand.

[@only_fair23]

Not really, I'm surprised Papua New Guinea is still a country. It, officially, has the most languages of any country in the world.

[@nareyanto7467]

Yes culturally, ethnically and geographically we are one. The only differences is during colonial rule make separate us which Western part control by the Dutch and Eastern part know as Papua New Guinea control by British which separate us until today. We West Papua have been fighting 60 years. We hope to get own independent soon

[@EAWanderer]

08:36 - It was also the location where the 1999 BBC Documentary Walking with Dinosaurs was filmed - Cruel Sea -

[@bikkiikun]

I think it is more likely for Scotland to leave the UK, than Catalonia leaving Spain.

[@StefanMedici]

Indeed. If Catalonia was allowed to leave, Basque would be next. Spain is held together more fragile than even the US.

[@RoboCatTrainer]

I think the biggest issue with Scotland leaving the UK is the possibility of conflict in Northern Ireland reawakening as if Scotland leaves it would feed the hopes/fears of the 2 sides there. Probably a familiar scenario for a lot of (ex) colonial nations

[@whiteenglishknight9861]

Scotland knows where it’s bread buttered

[@michaelball93]

The pro-independence movement in Scotland is becoming as divided as the pro-independence Catalan movement though, and nothing can happen as long as both central governments deny a legal referendum.

[@arwing20]

@@michaelball93 The UK gave Scotland a referendum, Spain did not. Get your facts right

[@jorgelotr3752]

11:52 rather than "until Spanish reconquered it" it was "until France decided it was just a burden and handed it back"; the beef Catalonian nobles had with Spain was inherited from the one they had with Aragon, which was that when the last member of uninterrupted patrilineal line of the Count of Barcelona that became King of Aragon by marriage died childless, they had to import an heir and the sway they had lessened by a lot; the peasants, on the other hand, were against the fact that, as a border territory, armies were camping and figting there (which was not fixed with their proclamation). The only lasting effect that came from that was the loss of their privilege of Charter (which allowed them to call for a Court with representants of nobility, the cities and the clergy to accept or veto the king's decisions), along with the loss of that same privilege for Aragon, Valencia and the Balearic Islands, which had nothing to do with the event. 12:51 EDIT: wait, wait, wait, you've been mixing things up here and sold the original referendum with images from the latest one; the first referendum was allowed to proceed with little fuss on the side of the Government; most of the issues with it was that the indepententist parties worked to alienate integrationists and then misrepresented the results: half of the people were intentionally angried to the pint that they decided not to participate, and despite them lowering the voting age to 16 (you tell me how that sounds) to maximize participation among those that grew up with their narrative, that 91% (more like 45%) was not "in favour of independence" but "in favour of it to be regarded as a nation", with the votes in favour of independence being lower (there were two questions on the ballot) ORIGINAL: never forget to mention that it was done without a voter register, it was allowed to vote wherever and there's evidence of people voting multiple times, people from outside voting and vote counts exceeding by large the known number of possible voters in some localities. Not to mention that the referendum was declared unconstitutional for technicalities and the masterminds refused to address those technicalities, complained that the Government didn't want to heard them (after refusing again and again offers from the Government to talk things out), misappropriated a lot of funds that should have gone to things like healthcare or maintenance of public infrastructures, conned a lot of collaborators (many people were hired to work on related tings but never saw a cent of their promised payment) and the higher-ups were too cozy in their exile from the start for it to not have been a long premeditated thing. 14:00 peaceful protest morphed into riots way earlier, and despite the shared videos, those watching live feeds could see that what the protesters directed to the police on standby were not only choice words, nut also stones and sticks (and whatever they could get their hands on).

[@garretth8224]

Its almost like aggressive violent responses to protests usually illicit a violent response.

[@jorgelotr3752]

@@garretth8224 in this case, more like the opposite: violence in protests made off camera elicit a violent response by security forces, get the camera rolling, cut and paste the footage and miscaption ambiguous stillframes. Believe it or not, in the last 30 years Spanish police have been trained to put up with a lot of hostility without doing nothing, basically all protests (no matter for what) have a sizeable subset of violent protesters, and protests like this tend to have organized violence on the part of the protesters, which in this case was encouraged by the local government and violent protesters were placed in the first lines to start the powder keg; first stones and big objects, like barriers, are thrown by protesters, then, after a good while, enraged policemen start to trickle until the dam is broken. Has the police such a short fuse as it's sold abroad, we'd have way more issues with police brutality than the US, despite being just 1/18th of the size.

[@Jamiro_Van]

hoped on a video about Belgium and Flanders

[@keenanarthur8381]

I spent time in Kumbo, Cameroon at the Himalayan Institute’s humanitarian project there in 2018, in an anglophone region. It’s a beautiful region. Lots of military police all over though

[@larypronginyu248]

I am from kumbo and Ambazonia wi be free some day

[@jaded_gerManic]

@Sideprojects Team IDK who edited the audio for this one but putting a clip of a speech under Simon also talking was jarring and hard to follow; we know y'all do good work. Just a nitpick. 💜

[@aanchaallllllll]

0:00: 🌍 The world's borders are constantly shifting, with many new borders forming from treaties, decolonization, and unification. 2:50: 💔 West Papua's struggle for independence from Indonesia has been marred by violence and controversy. 5:35: 🌏 West Papua faces ongoing fighting and protests, while Bougainville moves towards independence. 8:49: 🌏 New Caledonia's path to independence from France remains uncertain. 11:42: 🔸 Catalonia's struggle for independence from Spain has gained support since 2010, with protests, referendums, and the rise of pro-independence parties. 14:31: 🌍 Several countries have refrained from supporting Catalonia's independence due to concerns about similar situations within their own borders, while most nations have respected Spain's sovereignty and hope for a peaceful agreement. 17:23: ⚔ The conflict between Cameroon and the Amazonian Defense is ongoing, with both sides being accused of human rights abuses. Recap by Tammy AI

[@TheAnonymousKnightOfJustice]

I wound have liked the video, if the creator didn't show such a one sided narrative. That is rare in Indonesia and therefore making the rebel looks evil for only using one sided narrative. They are no different that extremist،terrorist and destructive rebels when both sides are uncover. Casualties and interviews.

[@masebase_ii]

@@TheAnonymousKnightOfJustice Same here, i remember his video about Kosovo was biased a bit too.

[@OR56]

Cool video! But I’m not sure where you see the “R” in “Bougainville”.

[@papasmurfette007]

I don't know how the locals pronounce it, but in Australia the island (and the mining company) are pronouced "BO GAN VILL"...

[@OR56]

@@papasmurfette007 Yeah, that's how I say it, I was wondering where he found the 'R'.

[@ry1786]

Good video love from US occupied hawaii....

[@kaungkyilin5538]

Can you make a video abt the civil war in Myanmar?

[@BigMobe]

Rights are only as real as the force use to ensure them. No force means its just a priveldge that can be revoked at anytime.

[@Argenbiz]

Independent Catalonia is a British whim. I wish you an independent Wales, an independent Scotland, an independent Isle of Man, a Reunited Ireland, French Channel Islands and a Republic of Yorkshire of course.

[@MrAntonius321]

Honestly, as a German I get the cultural backgrounds that have been colonised. The Catalonia debate is also fine, but as many have stated, very different. For the sake of a quick comparison, basically every single one of the german subcultures has identified them selves as a unique nation in the past. The stability and wealth of a nation, in some cases, is the stronger argument and I truly believe that it is the same in Catalonia.

[@Yumao420]

Catalonia has never been an independent region since it was taken over by the Romans

[@justinandrus6731]

I have to say that was your best advertisement ever that was very smooth

[@LiveFreeOrDie2A]

I’ve never understood why as a country you’d be so self-destructively obsessed to rule a territory and people ethnically/culturally so different and opposed to such rule? There’s very little to gain and everything to lose.

[@--enyo--]

My thoughts as well. Sometimes it’s natural resources, other times it just seems like a d*ck measuring contest.

[@zealmediaproductions844]

Just like the people of eastern Ukraine

[@gmwdim]

One reason is that people in power are obsessed with maintaining and asserting their power. A second reason is that in most cases the region seeking independence is more economically prosperous or contains resources that they don't want to lose control over.

[@slinkbradshaw8674]

​@@gmwdimlike Barcelona, losing such a prosperous city would nearly cripple Spain

[@Enseaclopedia]

Like scottish and english perhaps?

[@HistoricalWeapons]

German arrive and laid claim meanwhile Japanese invade

[@mardproduction6337]

I think, Alaska, Hawaii, Texas, and California will exist soon 😅

[@jadedcatlady]

Simon’s amazing socks are distracting me enough that I might have to listen twice. 😂

[@SergiReyner]

Uhhhh when talking about "some infighting" after the first referendum in Catalonia, you illustrated it with footage of the Spanish police forcefully intervening in locations where people were voting on the second referendum.

[@kinnexion]

I know this has nothing to do with the subject of the video, but just look at those socks!!! My god, Simon has style :P

[@dr.m2996]

What about KURDISTAN ? the largest population in the world (43 million) with out a country, where their land divided by Allies in the WW1 to four countries Turkey, lran, lraq and Syria and a part in Armenia?

[@ΕυαγγελοςΑγγελος-ρ6ζ]

Kurds Live In Middle East And Caucasus

[@ponumowahbih956]

dont forget about Sabah and Sarawak

[@alejandroreyes8878]

There are some separatist movements gaining traction in northern Mexico recently, they are thankfully still small and unknown to the wider public, but I'm sure they'll gain a lot of attention in the following years as things look bleaker in the current political ambiance

[@AlexCaspian]

Community of young states: 2002: East Timor joined the chat 2006: Montenegro joined the chat 2011: South Sudan joined the chat

[@thebaron2277]

2008: Kosovo joined the chat

[@AlexCaspian]

@@thebaron2277 however, Kosovo is still a partially recognised state unlike East Timor, Montenegro and South Sudan

[@GreekPele]

There’s so many others you could make a part 2 and maybe even a part 3 lol. Ones that come to mind are Kosovo, Transnistria, North cyprus, and Scotland. And that’s just Europe alone.

[@suomeaboo]

Hasn't Kosovo been independent for some time now?

[@genshinlogin2879]

Papua is one of the regions of Indonesia our brothers and sisters and they will always be with us. although now there is a fully armed separatist movement carried out by a small group, which has caused casualties to our civilians and soldiers. The government and army of the Republic of Indonesia will continue to strive to protect our brothers and sisters in Papua and westerners please stop doing your propaganda, do you think we don't know where the separatists get their firearms? This issue had previously subsided but heated up again when our country obtained more mining rights from foreign companies from America even now the EU is cornering us, they are blocking products from our country or charging excessive road fees and for various other reasons, but want us to sell our natural products in raw form to them, it's really ridiculous.

[@HeliRy]

Honourable mention should go to the Borneo side of Malaysia, and specifically the Sarawak region.

[@ChineseKiwi]

4:33 - Allowed to voice their ‘decision’ (‘influenced’ by intimidation and threats)

[@kriskay5020]

Commenting before the Australian Government ban this video because of Chapter 1

[@--enyo--]

Wouldn’t put it past them. But it’s almost definitely blocked in Indonesia. Not even joking there.

[@Rickyrab]

The USA: "First amendment first amendment first amendment neener neener"

[@zeyzy9005]

The Australian government does not have the power this time to disturb Indonesia's sovereignty, because of the hot issue of Russia and Ukraine, not to mention the issue of a Chinese military base that could be built close to Australia.

[@basilsolomos3227]

What’s the source of Yugoslavia’s partition map at the beginning? It’s really messed.

[@madderhat5852]

And the Empire of Disney-CocaCola .

[@--enyo--]

Annex Florida.

[@KkJACKkK]

Things have been SHOWLY shifting Simon? :D 9:56

[@thebiologist8662]

Hilarious that you said Catalonia considering during the last elections last month the independent faction sunk like a rock in the ocean. Turned out that embezzling money with the excuse of independence doesn't look good among the population.

[@valentipratgrau2530]

Many of them stayed home as a (successful) form of protest against pro-independence parties, accused of being too soft and not having a clear political agenda. The effects of this are already being felt in several recent political speeches from those parties.

[@volbound1700]

One theme globally is that the regions with a ton of countries (especially tropical regions) tend to wallow in poverty because these smaller states just don't have the resources to take care of their people.

[@geznicks]

It's Indonesia's main challenge, all of their different islands have different cultures which developed separately. Papua New Guinea, East Timor and now West Papua. Each of the more remote islands separate from Java, Sumatra and Bali have strong independence movements. One of the main barriers to them becoming a wealthy and prosperous nation.

[@fasha7747]

In Indonesia, only West Papua have independence movements, even then it's only in remote mountainous are while the coastal cities are chill. Why do you even bring up PNG to Indonesia bruh they never become part of Indonesia 🙄 You talk so much yet you seem to know so little.

[@fasha7747]

@@apollionsacrezleonard Lies and slander. I'm born and raised as Sundanese, and I have never heard such narration or views from any Sundanese people in my entire life. I bet you don't have any Javanese or Sundanese friend to begin with, hence why you make such a r.e.t.a.r.d.e.d assumption. Y'all keep relating this to religion when it has nothing to do with it. Soeharto is also arguably the most secular leader Indonesia has ever had.

[@SetuwoKecik]

People who thinks Modern Papuans were oppressed by our government are the people whose never set foot on Indonesia in the first place. No, Bali is too mainstream. Doesnt count.

[@Minecraft4Noob]

​@@apollionsacrezleonard Are you talking about Javanese or European? Because that sounds like the Europeans did toward native Tasmanians, Australians, and Americans. Have you heard of a law about legal immunity for killing Aboriginal people by European/white colonizers?

[@koboi9295]

@@apollionsacrezleonard nah, the justification of indonesia subjugating west papua back in the days was because they see themselves as the successor of the dutch east indies so they have the right to govern all of the former dutch east indies territories, its not because of religion, if you want to say its because of religion then you must include most east part of indonesia because its not muslim majority places.

[@diegocarmonapalma170]

As a Spanish and Catalann, I'm deeply ashamed that you said that 90% of Catalans want independence and that pro-independent parties have 70 of the 73 seats in Parliament. In the 1st of October referendum, the majority of pro-spanish citizens didn't vote because the people in charge of the ballots didn't allowed them, and many others didn't even bothered to vote as the referendum was illegal. Also, the pro-independence parties only control 65 of the 135 seats. In a nutshell, you are promoting an illegal independence movement by telling half-truths or directly spreading misinformation

[@fasha7747]

He's the Buzzfeed of geopolitics bro. As an Indonesian, i could attest that the information about West Papua is oversimplified and there's a lot of missing crucial informations as well.

[@cookingwithchefluc7173]

Simon you forgot to mention the Western Cape leaving the rest of South Africa and forming an independant country which will become the Monaco of Africa if it succeeds. A video about that will be great🙌

[@ronewamphahlele6191]

South africa will never as long as JULIUS IS HERE.

[@etzool]

At what point can we agree that "on all sides" or "on both sides" has taken on connotations that those phrases didn't have before, and should be avoided? It's unfortunate, but language evolves, and right now these phrases have a very strong association with excusing behavior based on the fallacious assertion that it's ubiquitous.

[@fixedG]

Some impassioned Quebecoise person is going to watch this and get all riled up.

[@A1509MDIX]

There's also Greenland's bid for independence. Which certainly has the potential for growth as ice and permafrost begins to melt away.. They even said that would immediately join NATO.. Which is good.. But the question is, what does Denmark get out of it?

[@skybluskyblueify]

I hope New Caledonia chooses a new name when they gain independence. Why name it after a place on the other side of the world? Why keep a name given by colonialists? That'd be cool but it is up to the native people.

[@wyldhowl2821]

The Papua situation makes me wonder how that will be affected by Indonesia's crazy plan to move their capitol to Borneo. So much of what went on in that area is murky & unknown, caught up in other issues.

[@zaskiaalsakila7248]

Bring in 10 million Muslims from other islands. And 300,000 soldiers into West Papua tat is the plan.

[@GoingForth]

Don't listen to that 14 years old above me. After the fall of Indonesian dictatorship, the region is much more developed. New education program was also introduced, where students from Papua will get free and higher education in Java. I said this cause one of my bud is also Papuan student

[@vixonviee]

actually plan to move capital was planned in 1950s

[@cleanerben9636]

KURDISTAN FOREVER GO KURDISTAN

[@ΕυαγγελοςΑγγελος-ρ6ζ]

America Promise Them A Kurdistan Years Ago They Didn't Keep Their Promise And It Never Happened

[@ComaDave]

The Republic of Dave. Now get off my lawn.

[@jontheb123]

There's also a growing movement within the Western Cape province of South Africa for Cape Independence. Many South Africans are fleeing to the Cape as it is the only province in South Africa not ruled by the highly corrupt African National Congress (ANC). It is also home to the highest concentration of white and mixed race South Africans who are currently discriminated against through black economic empowerment laws. They're seeking equal rights for all regardless of race. The movement is growing in popularity but it is slow growth as the region represents a massive almost 50% of South Africa's tax base and the central corrupt government won't give it up without a fight.

[@Kgomotso_Mphahlele]

🤣

[@PhansiKhongoloza]

​@@Kgomotso_Mphahlelewhy the laugh golo?

[@PaulJohn01]

OK for those who want to split away or break up from countries they're part of, how many referendums or how frequently should they be allowed ? Is it just until they get what they want ?

[@xavieretsalva5106]

until they get what they want or the idea fades away!

[@Snagprophet]

It's amusing to see Indonesia complain about "colonialism" while demanding control of West Papua. It's just really fucking weird.

[@alexandrecordeiro4957]

Indonesia committed genocide in East 🇹🇱 Timor, killing about one quarter of the population. They are only interested in the resources, and care little or nothing about west Papua 🇵🇬 population, who they try to eradicate their culture and force them into Islam.

[@deleted-something]

Is a power thing

[@ignatiusryd2031]

Indonesia has blatantly said in their constitution they have been formulated since far before their independence that the entire part of former-Dutch East Indies was the core part of Indonesia, and during The Hague peace conference in 1950 to officially end the 1945-1949 war between Indonesia and Netherlands its been repeteadly stated by Indonesian representatives right at the face of Dutch monarch and Dutch PM which had no disagreement to it. So its kinda weird to see Netherlands for more than a decade unwilling to hand back the occupied Papua to Indonesia even after they promised to handed it back to Indonesia a year after the peace conference by quoting the failure of creating a somekind of "commonwealth-like" union between Indonesia and Netherlands + quoting the failure of creating "United States of Indonesia" demanded by Netherlands due to massive rejection from grassroot Indonesians that were deemed that "commonwealth-like" union and "federal (puppet) states" thing is just a mere trick from Netherlands to kept dictating their own political interests right to Indonesia's throat.

[@alexandrecordeiro4957]

@@ignatiusryd2031 and what about jackarta forcing their will on countless areas and islands of different ethnic groups that demand to rule themselves and their natural resources,also what about the imperialistic indonesian invasion of the catholic people of east timor that were victims of genocide at the hands of indonesia,of which a quarter of their population was murdered by the indonesian military.

[@ignatiusryd2031]

@@alexandrecordeiro4957 You are the finest example of how ignorant a westerners can be. If you think Jakarta is shoving down their own will unilaterally without consent or whatever your accusations were, then congrats, you have no idea the sheer size ethnic/religious/racial diversity Indonesia had. Oh yes, let me enlighten your smol brain a bit. When our country marching to Timor Leste our president at that time is the pro-US bloodthirst tyrannical dictator soeharto, and as everyone knows, it was US and Australia that were pushing soeharto, their most fearsome lapdog in Southeast Asia to do the invasion to Timor Leste after soeharto managed to do a nationwide anti-communist purge where roughly up to 10 million people were brutally killed simply by accused as communist. Oh, one little secret, he also well known for his absolute iron fist rule where troughout 32 years of his US-backed reign he were literally eliminate almost anyone that dares to critisize him even for a slight critics regardless your religion/race/ethnic background, at least another 10 milion people (mainly Javanese) were vanished during his 32 years of his tyrannical reign. So sorry to say this but your accusation of Indonesia commiting genocide in Timor Leste were absolutely baseless/absurd since the statistics has said very loud that most of soeharto's victims were not the "poor" east timorese catholics, but Javanese. Be it Christians, Muslims, Catholics, Buddhists, or even Hindus. In fact it was because soeharto's effort managed to reopen Catholic missionaries to timor leste, the number of Catholics in there skyrocketed from less than 4 percent of the overall east timoreae population when Portugal left that land, to more than 97 percent of the overall east timorese population when they decide to leave Indonesia. Now go back to your sorry hole.

[@ScarecrowsSwords]

I think it’s interesting how humanity seems on a course headed back towards what look like large tribes. Just an observation.

[@georgesamkutty686]

US, UK, Belgium , Spain , Australia their foreign policy is same as Devide &Rule. Devide the citizens of a country based on their language, Religion and human race. US got the best reward for their foreign policy through the tragedy of Sept 11 .

[@detox4325]

All countries do that

[@BelgianVISOINair]

i was hoping the split in belgium was going to be part of it

[@timothygreer188]

RIght? I mean Van Grieken is geared to sign papers if and, with every political situation swinging right, when Vlaams Belang takes over next year

[@ChristiaanHW]

if Belgium would split (we) the Dutch would be honored to have Vlaanderen become a (autonomous) part of the Kingdom of The Netherlands, if they want of course.

[@ignatiusryd2031]

@@ChristiaanHW I hope i was wrong but somewhat from what is saw as a someone living far away from Europe, already sensed that if were indeed Belgium splits apart the Walloonians would tried to merge with France while the Flanders would tried to merge with Netherlands, leaving the minorty Germans on the east in options as the sole ruler of what remains from Belgium or merged with Germany/Luxembourg.

[@timothygreer188]

@@ChristiaanHW I'm confused, why would they seek secession from one Kingdom only to join another? I thought the whole idea was complete self-governance. Also, Brussels would not be part of the deal so they lose one of the most powerful seats in the EU. Nationalism sucks

[@ChristiaanHW]

@@ignatiusryd2031 we shall see. After all it's the choice of the Belgium people. A long time ago the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg where one region. (The Lowlands) And more recently Belgium and the Netherlands (basically) fought a war to determine if they would get back together or if Belgium would stay independent. So i could understand Belgium people could swing both way. And maybe they want to become a North Belgium and a South Belgium, both independend and sovereign countries. But because most Dutch see the people from Northern Belgium as brothers (and maybe even just southern Dutchies), the Dutch wouldn't mind if they want to integrate more with the Netherlands. In whatever form they (the Belgium people) would want

[@KariNou-ci4cf]

I think next new nations are : Anguilla 🇦🇮, Greenland 🇬🇱, Feroe Islands 🇫🇴, New Caledonia 🇳🇨, Palestine 🇵🇸, Cook Islands 🇨🇰, Niue 🇳🇺, Bougainville & Southern Yemen.

[@deivydasjuonys6487]

@KariNou-ci4cf United Suvadive Republic (Maldives), Pomakistan ( Greece, North Macedonia, Bulgaria).

[@zer0themysticguardian432]

Alba gu Brath

[@dsxa918]

Thanks for recommending Sheath underwear!

[@breakingindonesia8199]

Papua indonesia✌🤝

[@yourlocalkvt]

West Papua merdeka! 🇨🇺🇨🇺🇨🇺

[@fasha7747]

​@@yourlocalkvtIn your dreams

[@yourlocalkvt]

@fasha7747 Not dreams son, it is happening and the West Papuan Liberation Army will win.

[@fasha7747]

@@yourlocalkvt They're getting more desperate each passing year by using hostages. Whether you want to live in reality or fantasy, it's up to you i guess

[@yourlocalkvt]

@fasha7747 Most West Papuan Liberation fighters are against capturing hostages. There are different West Papuan Liberation militias in West Papua with all having different point of views and goals; but they all have one common goal which is to free West Papua from Indonesian imperialist occupation.

[@mauvaisguymrmatt5260]

French Cameroun will fail We are Ambazonians❤but let me make a correction here please. Ambazonia is in West Africa not central

[@TheCube31]

As a Spaniard born in Barcelona myself… I call bs I’m massively, like, I’m REALLY against independence. I am Spanish and shall remain so till my death, you guys cannot imagine how ridiculous it felt having to study Catalan in school while they treated Spanish like a foreign language (I wasn’t even allowed to talk in Spanish which was… very odd…) A few years ago I went to live in Italy and proceeded to promptly forget Catalan in its entirety. Now I can’t even read street signs and you know what? I’m kinda fine with that. If for whatever reason Catalonia does succeed in its independence efforts I really do hope there will be ways for me to keep my Spanish citizenship but I doubt it will get to that point.

[@valentipratgrau2530]

Honestly, quite pleased to lose a citizen that cares so little about its own culture and history, and is even proud of it, for some weird reason. Bon vent!

[@TheCube31]

@@valentipratgrau2530 Honestly? Same, I do have my reasons but if people who want independence are like you then I’d be quite pleased to stop being a ‘Catalonian’ (if that means anything at all) Bon Vent to you too!

[@valentipratgrau2530]

Good to see we are in an agreement then :)

[@eefaaf]

@@valentipratgrau2530 Look likes he didn't feel it was his own culture. Not sure what his own culture was, in that case. When you move to an other place to live (or your parents did) it's ok to take your own culture with you, and maybe some around you can appreciate aspects of it, but that doesn't give you the right to demand them to do so, nor to criticize the culture of the ones that have been living there for ages, no matter if the region at that moment is governed by an entity felt to be foreign to those. M'agrada molt la cultura Catalana, i si vols ser lliure, no obstant els opinions the forasters, rai!

[@boxtradums0073]

Are you Catalan though and by this is mean your parents, grand parents or great grandparents move from somewhere else ? Were your family Franco supporters ?

[@havocgr1976]

There are timelapses of borders and ofcourse new countries here on youtube, check a few like one that has a few centuries of Europe.Changes your perspective on how you view nationalism.

[@ignatiusryd2031]

Those who might think "west Papua" might gain its independence before 2030, all i can said its an absolute BS. Its part of Indonesia's core provinces and letting it go would ultimately unleash a big chain reactions that would certainly put everyone on Indonesia (westerners and Indonesians alike) on a direct blast path. Sure enough it can satisfy the western lusts for crack apart the sole giant in SEA and adding obstacle for the country from focusing on achieving its goals of spreading the developments evenly to the farthers part or the country but the incoming aftermath would not be pleasant at all. Mind you, when Indonesia lose East Timor, it also solidify the avenue to hardline islamists to launch terror attacks in the country with the most infamous ones was the bomb attack in Bali. Not only because losing East Timor cause the security forces must be deployed to the westernmost part of the country that were also had a long history of a massive separatist unrest, its also push the security becomes very thin elsewhere to monitor the security, make the hardline islamist had a time of their life tried to deligitmate Indonesian govt while at the same time launching terror attacks here and there by quoting that event as the sign of how the country has become weak due to "western interferences". With so much stakes were on hand and a grim reality that one "small" event in international standards would create a whirlwind of chaos for at least a decade, no one on the sanest mindset would allow the bigger part and the core part of the Indonesia such as Papua breaks away if it would same like opening a bigger pandora box that would not only permanently affecting the relationship with western countries (and making the country drifting further to China's embrace) but also unleash the demons of chaos that may be put everyone in the country be it westerners or native Indonesians on the unspeakable size of grave danger at the uncharted territories.

[@garretth8224]

There are far better methods than violent crackdowns. Violence begets violence. Addressing the issues of a people is far more successful. People want to be heard.

[@ignatiusryd2031]

@@garretth8224 You can spill all the idealism you had but unfortunately for you, even european country like Spain were deploying its security forces to Catalonia and Basque to put down the separatism unrest that were fermented in there while UK were throwing every tricks on its sleeves to ensure Scotland would never ever had their independence for at least another 100 years.

[@malodol1234]

west papa deserves to be free regardless

[@ignatiusryd2031]

@@malodol1234 Even if the cost would release the unspeakable evila to the entire world?? Its all fun in games untill your own people died/killed just because you forcing someone to open a pandora box.

[@sub_zero8495]

​@@malodol1234east Timor wanted that as well and look what happened

[@corpchannel2523]

Hopefully this won't happend in the Philippines especially the Bangsamoro region, if they want to have independence they will either fight the Armed Forces of the Philippines and remove them in the Philippines or accept Autonomy, apply aswell other regions in the Philippines that wanted to seperate

[@r.v.b.4153]

An independent West Papua is aimed to include the entire Indonesian part of the island, not just the province Indonesia created...