5 Speed Crown Victoria VS 5 Speed Grand Marquis

[@BradHouser]

I had a 2005 Crovn Vic Police Interceptor. I was happy with it until it was stolen in 2014. I now have a 2009 Grand Marquis, and I am very happy with it unmodified. It doesn't hurt that I am a grandpa. However, I no longer have to worry about the car in front of me slowing down because he/she thinks I am a cop. I appreciate the extra luxury. I am also enjoying the V8 motor while I can, as it is an endangered species. Both are great cars. 🚓🚗

[@200degrees]

That sucks that it was stolen! But I'm glad you like the 09! I've owned 3 Marquis and 1 Town Car but no Crown Vic's so I've never dealt with that experience of traffic noticing me aha But yea they're great cars, I will likely always have one lying around.

[@confusedredditor1660]

I'm sorry

[@geraldscott4302]

Yes the P71 is faster, but I still prefer the Grand Marquis. It's perfect for what I do most. Long road trips. It has softer suspension, more comfortable seats, tires with wider sidewalls, an automatic overdrive, and that wonderful 2.73 rear axle that lets you cruise at 65 mph just above idle. With the cruise control on 65 mph on fairly level roads, it will get 30+ MPG. Exactly what I want.

[@xenapaprika4555]

I bought a beat-up 2009 grand marquis with low mileage on it last year. Paint job was so screwed up by that point that we decided to just have some fun and paint it pink! So many people will disagree with that decision, but this bad boy is my custom dream car now! It’s more car than I could ever ask for!

[@ozzievalverde8737]

When I drive around the suburbs I occasionally get compliments from senior citizens regarding my 2004 merc. When I drive around the cities I occasionally get compliments from OGs. I like how panther cars can be both grandpa cars AND gangsta cars.

[@jesse.vr6]

Definitely the Grand Marquis for me. I put a LSD and 5 speed in mine and it's damn fun. Also cheaper for less miles

[@200degrees]

Yea exactly, I am currently thinking of doing it again, same recipe but with a 95-97 town car as a lifted off road rig! They’re just fun cars!

[@jhill108]

Panther cars are amazing the most reliable and smoothest running cars you'll ever own and so much space. I have a 2004 Town car and it's the most comfortable and spacious car I ever owned. I thought about buying a Crown vic but I have a second car which is a Trans am for my need for speed once in a while and it flies but I still drive the Town car way more often. It's actually my second Town car I've owned the other got wrecked in two accident's and was still drivable when I sold it. If someone rear end me like that in my Trans am I probably wouldn't have survived the crash.. These panther cars are built like a tank.

[@P71ScrewHead]

The P71 is a great car but I want to swap in the Lincoln interior if not the Marauder one.. I say keep the Towny n mod it a lil, make a Mustang GT 2v turbo kit work on it or TrickFlow top end kit will make it way faster..

[@ToyotaNutjob]

Not true. Toyota/lexus 2uzfe based vehicles are better

[@IeatsWorld]

As someone who owns no panther platform, i greatly enjoyed this video - definitely deserving of more views (this could/should literally be a 100k+ video)

[@ericouellette5293]

A few weeks ago I picked up a 01 grand marquis with 113,000 miles on it for 800. Absolutely love it good ride not too bad mileage. It does have duel exhaust and the limited slip rear. I haven't looked at what gears I have but from what I understand should be the 3.27. I do know it's faster to 60 then my POS 01 Silverado with the 5.3 hell it tops out faster also. I so want to manual swap it one of these days. For now I will enjoy it just as it is. I always wanted a grand marquis or crown Vic and finally got one.

[@midwestpanther98]

Good price.

[@BunnyAssassin]

Right on! I bought a '00 Marquis for $600 in 2019, the damn thing was a beater but the A/C worked. I've been slowly restoring it ever since then and now (with a marty tune, ca intake and crown vic dual exhaust w/glasspacks) it drives better than anything I've ever owned! Long live the panther platform!

[@kevinhughes9200]

I have a 2000 Mercury Grand Marquis GS 4.6 V8, and even though it has 238400miles on it, it still runs and performs just as well as though it's still new. The owners who originally owned it took amazing care of it and I take really good care of it and after 3 years of owning it and driving it I'm willing to bet that she'll last another 200,000 miles. Best cars on the road in my opinion.

[@jonnyrainforth5516]

The Marauder sits on the throne

[@200degrees]

Oh for sure, a manual swapped marauder would be nearly perfect, I’ll have one down the road!

[@LITTLE1994]

Unless a traditional Panther becomes a sleeper.

[@josepmckoon948]

Maybe if it didn't spit plugs all day

[@200degrees]

@@josepmckoon948 the marquis or the marauder? Cause that red cars shot 4 out so far, 1 3 times even after the helicoil

[@BunnyAssassin]

@@200degrees Ha! I understand the frustration. The same thing happened to cylinder 7 on mine and thankfully a helicoil fixed it rght up.

[@bubbles1994]

Nice boys I also have a 2010 cvpi manual swapped tr3650 4.10 bought the cur as a beater but fell in love can’t stop modding it chepermance arms watts link adtr sway bars list goes

[@Get2pieced]

Can you Plz tell me in the ball park of what it cost to do the manual swap?

[@banditpsycho3573]

@@Get2pieced the same amount as your mum

[@alias3020]

Seriously underrated video! You should advertise these, I advertise on my other channel, and generally $10 gets around 3k views if you work it well. This can really help your algoritm! thanks for the good good videos!

[@random_reptiles_2873]

^

[@LITTLE1994]

Comparing two different brand cars that are literally made the same way. I used to have a classic 1989 Crown Victoria LX, though. Just as tough with the unique 5.0L Windsor motor.

[@seancarr7018]

Also has the 90mm mass air flow sensor from the mercury marauder

[@fhowland]

I had a 1995 Grand Marquis with the handling and performance package . Just as quick as a Police interceptor with all the luxury features!

[@crownrick]

Love the Video haha - the video game style is funny! Plus : Love the Crown Vic

[@paulstewartcrane]

I just wished I had a Kenny Brown version !

[@200degrees]

Oh I agree! I would love a p2 panther! Might just have to make my own aha

[@grovermayersjr8025]

I'm a grandpa who still drives my 2005 Grand Marquis LS Premium. Gotta put it in the shop to replace the rear differential. Thinking about putting a 4.11 rear axle on it. It might be too tall gears for that tyranny. Might as well replace it with the original gears. She only has 126,000 miles on it.

[@200degrees]

I drove mine auto with the 3.73 I swapped in, and it made for a punchy but still useable car, could drive on the highway and everything, but you’d need a new speedo gear.

[@grovermayersjr8025]

Thanks. I'm open to popping 3.73 rear gears in it. Speedo no problem. She has the 239 horse 4.6 with 272 pound feet of torque set up. And factory dual exhaust. As you mentioned Grand Marquis were built to cruise the Interstate. Crown Victorias were much more versatile.

[@DirtyDanMunicipalMan]

This was rad man! I’m actually gathering parts for a 5.4 swap myself! Gonna keep my stock auto tho, just cause of how I use my car but man would a 5 speed 5.4 Vic be fun!

[@200degrees]

Nice! I’m planning either a 4.6 DOHC or a 5.4 DOHC come spring time, the marquis is my winter car right now so I’ve just got to keep the 4.6 for one more winter haha

[@LoveWhatYouDrive]

Cool video thanks for sharing! Very entertaining! I want 5speed

[@200degrees]

I'm glad you like it! If you're interested in converting it join Manual Swapped Panthers on FB and you'll find tons of info and resources!

[@LoveWhatYouDrive]

@@200degrees thanks so much I will definitely go in that direction! Great content!

[@FullPullTv]

I can tell you from experience the p71 only is quicker off the line. I just have rear cats removed and muffler delete on my MGM and I've never lost to a p71 on the highway.

[@ToasterTR]

235 width tires are really the only big reason p71s handle so well

[@200degrees]

Yea it gives them a greater contact for sure, I think that’s why it was easier to slide mine around aha But their whole suspension setup is tighter! Until I get my coil overs and Adtr sway bars ;) haha

[@ToasterTR]

@@200degrees ive never driven a p71 but the guys on cvn say they were the same Maybe some slightly harder springs for the ride height If you already have the rear sway bar then definitely get the front atdr bar The rear is already pretty tight when you rock it If yours was a sport model from the factory then you should theoretically have the 23mm rear bar over the stock 19 rear bar The p71s also got a 32mm front sway bar over the p72+ 23mm front bar

[@200degrees]

@@ToasterTR driving them back to back and even pressing on their suspension you could see the P71 was stiffer. And no haha my car was the farthest from a handling package you could get! 2.73 open rear diff, single exhaust, bench seat haha

[@WJHandyDad]

that was fun to watch. I definitely think with more gears (auto or stick) the Vics would really wake up. Even just putting the 6 speed auto from the Taurus Interceptor would do wonders due to the gear ratios

[@200degrees]

Yea I agree, the 4 speed auto shifts so slowly, and has such tall gears it makes for a sluggish car. More aggressive rear end and a better auto would make a world of difference!

[@WJHandyDad]

I had "identical" Mustang GT's, one with auto and one with 5 speed manual. At least from the driver seat, there was a noticeable difference in acceleration, with the 5 speed being the better of the two of course

[@GrandPitoVic]

I have a 03' and a 08' Crown Vic P71's. I bought both from the Miami Police Auction. The 03' I bought Feb 2016 for $675.00 with 91k miles. The 08' I bought Dec 2018 for $1600 with 108k miles on her. The 08' was a Detectives car so not beat like the squad cars as much. I plan on a T-56 Magnum swap for the 03' and a 5.4L. Qa1 coil overs and .Metco control arms. Also Wilwood 6 piston 14 inch brake kit. Also a bunch of other stuff lol. It took a while before I was able to start modifying her. Great cars guys.

[@timfrancis5107]

Mr Hugh. When and where can I attend an auction

[@GrandPitoVic]

The prices have Def went up with everything foing on but still way cheaper then a car lot.

[@timfrancis5107]

U have any info on where I can find one at an auction

[@SKATETOSLAYER]

Really enjoyed watching you guys rip around in those lol. Defintely need to work on my driving skills. I can rip donuts without doing a pre-burnout but still have no idea how to drift a corner on dry pavement from a standstill. Maybe I got to oversteer more now that I think about it.

[@200degrees]

Thanks so much! It was a blast! I love the long wheelbase of these cars, they make such great drifter training cars. If you’re practicing, start on wide open gravel or snow, you can do everything much slower and can get used to it, and then move to a parking lot after. That being said, never stay in one place too long, practice and move on before the real cops come haha

[@03SilverMustangGT]

Awesome video. What gears are in both cars? My grand Marquis is currently in the shop getting 4.11’s

[@200degrees]

Red car has 3.73’s, I feel it’s more playful and still really good on the highway, all my sliding was done in 2nd where the black car was using first. The Black car has 3.55’s. 2nd and up felt long to me but first had a lot of room to play.

[@200degrees]

4.11’s sounds pretty aggressive but should also be a ton of fun! Super punchy!

[@03SilverMustangGT]

@@200degrees thanks for the reply! Those were some great slides 😁 I’m excited for posi and more sporty gearing. I’ll try and upload a video when it’s all done

[@Parnell_Eclair]

🛠🏆🙌 I don’t take the time very often to log in to Google to comment, but you deserve a 5-star review. Man, what I wouldn't do to have a manual 5-speed in my 2005 Grand Marquis! Why this wasn't an option from the factory was a mistake. (Maybe that’s why I’m not in marketing. 🙄😂) Thanks for sharing what you did to the coolest Panther patrolling the streets- with a bitchin' third pedal. Well done, sir!

[@67comet]

Great video Why are there only 580+ subscribers! (Gonna go see the other 200Degrees' videos to find the answer). Swapping my "05 Crown Vic LX to a manual, 4:10 geared (Still open diff), coil overs at all 4 corners and Mo's Speed Shop tune, makes me smile always (Class Glass Power Bulge hood shipped today, and the Gozilla swap is on the 2 year plan -finances still being substantiated- ).

[@200degrees]

Haha hopefully it’s just cause I’m new and the rest of the videos aren’t terrible lol And that’s awesome! The 4.10’s will be a blast! I’m jealous of the suspension as I haven’t upgraded mine yet haha

[@67comet]

@@200degrees I hunted long and hard for coilovers that weren't expensive. 4:10's are fun. I have tall rear tires {255/60R17 summer - 235/60R17 winter} so highway is okay {2800@80 or so}. I've been flowing #L8R-HP {#VicZilla} cuz, well... 7.3 sounds a lot more fun than 4.6 😃. Take care and keep on doing the good stuff.

[@200degrees]

@@67comet did you buy them used or find a different source?

[@GreenSigmaTH]

I've got a 2009 Crown Vic P71 that I use as a daily driver, and it's the most fun daily driver i've ever had, and before that I used an '82 El Camino with a 327ci V8, so that's saying something XD

[@a.kblur04]

this is a kickass video !! bought an 04 ultimate, love it. definitely agree on the whole aftermarket parts thing... why wouldn't you want the nicer daily? lol

[@ItsPainnz]

4r70w tech is popin off too, relatively inexpensive too. automatic shifts baby

[@200degrees]

Yea some crazy things are out there, they’ve made paddle shifters for them too!

[@Chris-gi9ch]

I had an 2003 Crown Victoria LX "sport" (performance package) with the factory dual exhaust. The published specifications were the same as the Police interceptor. However while still owning it, I test drove a 2000 Police interceptor, which in fact is rated having less horsepower but I found to be noticeably faster? Sometimes the published numbers don't match the performance.

[@200degrees]

Maybe it was the rear gearing? His black car had 3.55’s and my red car has 3.73’s and I found mine to have more punch even though I still have a single exhaust and a regular fuel tune.

[@Chris-gi9ch]

@@200degrees Yea, good point.

[@dzmacd3547]

This was brilliant 😂

[@josepmckoon948]

2003 and up also have the pi heads

[@200degrees]

1:43

[@itsme675t7]

I have a 2001 GM with 86k. I want to do a 4V swap and add 6466s to it. I have a lot of parts to make the car push over 1kwhp

[@TheTerminator310]

I have a love affair with my '07 MGM LS (as you can see by my username). 27 MPG at 80 mph all damn day and like riding a couch. Can't beat it!

[@JohnMurrayOP]

Very well done!

[@isorozco511]

Is there a 6 speed option available from a mustang out there or something. I just feel if youre going thru all that hassle might as well make it 6

[@200degrees]

There is for sure, the T56 magnum instead of the T45 or T3650 5 speed choices. It’s just money really, I bought and built my marquis for around 3500$, a T56 would cost around the same price. I’d love one down the road though!

[@InvestwithKhan]

Which car is more comfy P71 or the Grand marquis? P71 doesn’t seem comfy for a road trip. Let me thoughts thanks!!

[@200degrees]

Grand Marquis for sure. Softer seats, softer suspension, it’s a prime road trip car!

[@InvestwithKhan]

@@200degrees good point I just love the push bar look. Can always put one on the grand marquis I guess lol

[@InvestwithKhan]

@@200degrees thanks for response!

[@200degrees]

@@InvestwithKhan I've often thought about throwing a push bar on my car just for the fun!

[@InvestwithKhan]

@@200degrees you totally should! And if you do please.. do diy tutorial. I am yet to find a good tutorial for it. 👍

[@stevewilliams3850]

200Degrees : My 2011 Crown Vic LX has close to 135,000 miles. I hope to buried in it. I'm seventy. I'd like to get a Crown Vic police car. I just don't have the money right now. What would I take for a swap? Most likely, either a Grand Marquis, or a Town Car. In other words, another Panther car.

[@Cincy32]

This is an awesome video!

[@ma.higiniablancoblanco1380]

Make a video teaching how to powerslide and drift

[@200degrees]

Oooooo I’ll put that on my board!

[@grovermayersjr8025]

Nice video by the way!!

[@lsx_doc]

Awesome video

[@matthewgary6054]

I have a 09 Grand Marquis and was wondering how would I do a conversion for first-timers?

[@200degrees]

I would join the manual swapped panther group on Facebook. There are pinned articles, instruction videos, countless people who have done the swap so you can search a bunch of peoples experience and the whole group is happy to help build more! They talk about which transmissions you might want and what gear ratios you’d be interested in as well

[@1970Spencer]

I had an 2009 Interceptor, 2 ls 01,02,n now 2004 Ultimate edition and now I bought a 05 at 142,000 miles for $2400. I would love to have a manual trans installed. What do you recommend? Salvaged a few parts from a P71, exchanged the air filter housing, went from playing the flute to trombone mass air difference.

[@200degrees]

The best budget setup in my mind would be throwing P71 sway bars and struts on a Grand Marquis or Town Car. Swap the rear end for 3.73's or 4.10's, which are more fun than even the P71's get from factory. That way you get the nicer interior and features along with the better suspension and acceleration.

[@datznasty1475]

What center console is in the p71

[@200degrees]

New edge Mustang Console

[@justanormalhuman9058]

I'd want an 04 grand marquis just because I want to turn it a marauder in discuse now I wouldn't lie and tell people it's a marauder id still say its a grand marquis I'd just make it look like a marauder

[@timo55x]

You got me!

[@wademullis7377]

How about keeping them original and letting them age into being classics?

[@200degrees]

To each their own, I know there are plenty of low mileage nice shape Crown Vic’s and grand marquis out there being kept by people. But for me, no matter what age or type my car is I like to make it my own. Cheers

[@ali_almehaiza]

I love this video👍

[@kimiokarma3029]

I'm about to tr3650 swap my 00 grand marquis. Any recommendations in cali or Arizona?

[@200degrees]

Join manual swapped panthers on fb and there are plenty of resources! Big group of people with information

[@kimiokarma3029]

@@200degrees great I just requested to join

[@jonnyvargas9394]

Go check out my KZbin channel 5 speed Town Car I modified it all the way go check it out

[@mross302]

I've got an 05 town car that is getting a 4v and 5 speed swap

[@SqueezeMonger]

the key is to run before they start the chase!

[@NoName-ik2du]

What I got out of this video was to go buy a Lincoln Town Car...but maybe I'm biased because I already own one.

[@200degrees]

I like that takeaway haha

[@NGGPeter]

its literally sagging to the ground lol 5:10

[@200degrees]

Yea I realized I didn’t take a shot once the airbags (rear air suspension) had aired up 😅 but use the shots you got eh haha

[@williamevans7031]

pov you came off the fb page

[@genaroalvaradomendoza144]

It would be a different story if you put that crown victoria against a Mercury Marauder.

[@200degrees]

My grand marquis popped it 2v so I’ll be putting a 4V shortly in it along with some suspension upgrades. Then I’d love to stick it up against a marauder! Andrew is going to stick with a 2V so it’ll stick around the hp it has now

[@SRT92]

0:37 handbrake?

[@200degrees]

I dumped the clutch to get it rotating, stabbed the clutch mid spin and then dumped it again to get that final flick. Unfortunately my hand brake doesn’t work :(

[@michaelhuynh8793]

Vic chase another panther platform

[@hardsweatyworker]

Doesn’t PI mean police interceptor

[@200degrees]

It’s a common belief that it does but for the engine it means Performance Increased, for the crown Vic the P71 package is the police package, usually also called the PI package which stands for Police Interceptor as stated on the rear badge. But when talking about the 4.6 PI is performance increased.

[@hardsweatyworker]

Ohhhh thank you

[@DHE662]

No race?

[@200degrees]

So I’m not sure why I didn’t plan and then film a race 😅 sorry about that! But in our driving and doing chase shots, our cars were dead to rights equal. My car (mercury) has 3.73 gears and his has 3.55’s. So I think my better gears but worse intake and exhaust made us equal. And both of us have tunes from the same guy.

[@LITTLE1994]

The Crown Victoria and Grand Marquis are exact as fast as each other.

[@aname4758]

What kinda trans?

[@200degrees]

We both used T45’s but you can use a T3650 or a T56

[@policesam1006]

CROWN VIC MANUAL SWAP???

[@200degrees]

Tons of fun!

[@rileyenia9388]

Ahh your gear ratio comment is wrong the Vic would be faster off the line but you would have the higher top end as u dont have to have as high rpm to maintain same speed giving u more potential for max speed

[@200degrees]

I guess I didn't clarify enough, I was thinking from acceleration not top speed making the Crown Vic Faster than the Grand Marquis, especially in an in-town chase. But yea the Marquis would have higher potential top speed than the Crown Vic. I'm curious if they had no speed limiters, would the air resistance/low hp cause the Grand Marquis to be faster because it has higher gearing potential or if the Crown Vic would be faster because it'll need the gearing to overcome the air and rolling resistance.

[@ahmedwwh2854]

🌚

[@mandoperez102]

Ofcourse the mercury slower uts 1200lbs heavier

[@200degrees]

Theres no weight difference between the two cars. Same engine, same frame, same length, same width. My leather seats might be a bit heavier, but 25-50lbs kind of thing.

[@ToyotaNutjob]

Dear panther body fan boys, any Toyota/lexus product especially a 2uzfe based platform will exceed these in terms of reliability, comfort, smoothness etc. You can floor a 2uzfe for 25 mins straights going up a mountain pass hauling a ton of stuff (i know because I've done it before, 01 tundra 22 years old).

[@200degrees]

I won’t disagree that there is something to be said about the Toyota dependability, my 2001 sequoia had 330,000km and it was a great truck! I threw all kinds of things at it, while my grand marquis is currently broken again haha But the LS400/Toyota platforms always lack something in engagement, every Toyota I’ve owned I quickly sell because I never care about them. So I’ll for sure agree they’re reliable, but I just don’t like them aha