5 Underrated Submarines

[@aussietaipan8700]

Ex RAN here, in 2024 I would be confident to put the Collins sub against any other ship or sub. Thanks for mentioning this sub.

[@Statueshop297]

The Colin’s is fantastic class. I am a bit concerned about the life extension required. I had hoped a few Japanese subs would be purchased to bridge the gap. Even being sent back to Japan for major refits etc. fingers crossed it works out ok.

[@ianmcsherry5254]

I understand that Australian submariners have already started training at HMNB Clyde, at Faslane here in Scotland, as part of the AUKUS programme. I imagine it would be something to do with reactor operations. 👍

[@johnh8615]

I think it was just smoke and mirrors to underrate its capabilities so any adversary would not count on it being a threat.

[@1337flite]

@@ianmcsherry5254 I believe RAN personel are being trained in the UK and the US and some press reports indicate that some personel have finished their courses in the US and maybe crewing on US boats. I believe a US SSN tender has arrived in Fleet Base West (just outside of Perth) and we will see a US boat(s) essentially operating out of Fleet Base West later in the year with RAN members assisting/undertaking servicing etc. I think all 3 AUKUS members are going to be seeing some very interesting years ahead, but right now it is very very interesting for Australia and the RAN.

[@johnjansen8651]

A number of the Collins class have visited the Philippines, and the best route would be right up the middle of the South China Sea. And most of them were in the mid 2010s. Underrated indeed.

[@Christoph1888]

As an Australian that's the first time I've heard the Collins spoken about positively. Cheers 👍

[@1337flite]

Sub Brief has a video that is appears reasonably balanced to this non naval civillian.

[@mytube001]

There is that infamous hearing where some Australian politician kept putting incredibly ignorant questions to a navy representative, like if "pumpjets can only stay underwater for 20 minutes". Gives you an idea of what the navy there is up against...

[@lolcanoable]

Pauline Hanson is her name. I am unsure how the rear admiral didn't piss himself laughing.

[@rodh2168]

@@lolcanoable Hanson was ignorant of many things. An embarrassment to all dedicated hardworking gov't members.

[@janwitts2688]

She also tried to break the secrets act and collect information for CCP

[@plebius]

​@@janwitts2688well that escalated quickly

[@TacgnolSimulacrum]

The greatest enemy of any navy is always the government they work for.

[@idanceforpennies281]

I'm a civilian but I was on the Collins Class project with the RAN during the '90s. After the first two boats were commissioned. And then later on with ASC. I can't really talk about it, but after the initial problems were solved the Collins subs gained an incredible reputation for lethality, the true stories are really amazing.

[@superstorby]

Ex RAN here as well, I worked directly to supply logistical support the Collins class, so I got to talk to a lot of the crew. They loved that most people thought that the Collins class were noisy pieces of junk because it hid the fact that they are very capable and extremely lethal submarines. As they told me "There are only two types of ships..... Submarines and targets!"

[@jimaholic]

Yes, finally leaning into classic KZbin content

[@enp_55]

1. Narval (1899) 2. Type UC-1, Type UC-2 U-boats, (1915-1918) 3. Type XXIII U-boat (1944-1945) 4. Skipjack class, US Navy (1959-1990) 5. Collins class

[@Xsiondu]

Thanks You're GOATED

[@redherring6154]

It’s the other way around mate

[@SingMineshaftGapInAFlatMinor]

3 Cheers for the Skipjack class! My dad was a plank owner on Snook 592, John E. Stuart, QM1. He described his interview with Admiral Rickover as the most humiliating 15 minutes of his life. Yes, even the navigator's assistant had to pass the KOG's inspection back in the 1960's.

[@SingMineshaftGapInAFlatMinor]

Correction, Rickover was a Vice Admiral at this time....

[@rcwagon]

@@SingMineshaftGapInAFlatMinor Interesting tag name, gave me a chuckle. A vice Admiral that barely had any vices... I interviewed with him in 1982.

[@SingMineshaftGapInAFlatMinor]

Thanks for serving, RC! Officer or enlisted?

[@rcwagon]

@@SingMineshaftGapInAFlatMinor I was a Junior Officer. I had never heard that enlisted personnel were given the "pleasure" of interviewing with Admiral Rickover. He had what it took to run a lot of nuclear reactors safely. There is a good book about some earlier issues and what he did about them called AGAINST THE TIDE by Oliver if interested.

[@SingMineshaftGapInAFlatMinor]

@@rcwagon Nice! My dad's interview was around 1962, plus or minus. Snook 592 threaded the disaster needle between Scorpion and Thresher. I was just a hull number or two away from having never existed....

[@hmmjedi]

Great video as usual one thing that isn't talked about too often is the Royal Navy Submarine force in WW2 and what they accomplished when compared to the Kriegsmarine and the US Navy submarine force...

[@johnsobery8386]

I always learn from your videos. Great work sir!

[@lutzbernhardt5995]

Dear Mr. Sutton, I'm very pleased to see a new video on your channel! Greetings from Essen, Lutz Bernhardt

[@kevincook1018]

Early in my engineering career, we were still doing the final regular overhauls of Skipjack Class subs. They were getting kind of tired by the early 80s. The SUBSAFE Program had been fully implemented on these hulls.

[@MacChew008]

Silent Service, being "underrated" is a virtue. No desirable to attract too much unwanted attentions.

[@BeKindToBirds]

Not for history. If the culture shifts too much then you lose generational knowledge by favoring popular designs and forgetting innovations.

[@thomascarpenter8177]

of course they "Collins class" are suffering from corrosion, to quote a navy friend of mine "sea water hates everything not seawater and will try its best to destroy it"

[@mcgherkinstudios]

‘The latest that I’ve heard is that they’re suffering from corrosion’ *laughs in Royal Navy*

[@artcamp7]

My Australian friend said her country loves to tear down anything notable or famous that comes from there. I guess their worst export Rupert Murdoch made his career out of being as negative as possible at all times

[@annpeerkat2020]

In the case of murdoch... australians can't cast enough contempt in his direction.

[@Burkutace27]

Rupert Murdoch and his consequences have been a disaster for Australia

[@iatsd]

Pointing out that the military has screwed up EVERY procurement programme since the MEKO's AND Australian industry has failed to produce ANYTHING within spec and within budget as well is not being harsh about them. It's simply stating the truth. Christ, they couldn't manage to get the MRE order right and had to buy from outside Australia in an emergency move, which in the end cost them less overall and delivered a better product than the original plans.

[@annpeerkat2020]

@@iatsd are you the ex minister johnson of "couldn't build a canoe" fame? Could you give me a broad indication of how many procurement projects for any major government contract in all countries in the world go? You know... civilian like snowy mountains current project, military like abrams, F11, F35, etc etc etc.

[@iatsd]

@@annpeerkat2020 What a terrible piece of reasoning and pathetic attempt at deflection. It isn't relevant in the slightest if other countries also fvck it all up. That bears not one iota on whether the Australians are pathologically incapable of managing programme management. The fact that you attempted a bit of "whatabout-sim" deflection says everything we need to know about your own ability to consider a subject rationally and objectively.

[@hobbyrider2]

please @H I Sutton pump out more videos. your vontent is aweseom

[@Syndr1]

You have to read his online articles. He is prolific,lol

[@garygranato9164]

+1 vontent is good

[@m.streicher8286]

@@Syndr1 I don't like reading I'm lazy

[@danielmartin7838]

My issue is my screen. This phone makes reading anything on his site incredibly challenging and frustrating

[@vincentlatendresse4221]

Would love a video on the victoria class!

[@colchronic]

My dad actually worked for IBM and did contract work for the skipjack sonar and he says he doesn't remember much about it anymore but he said whatever you can imagine the US has they had it 20 years ago

[@iatsd]

Basic seamanship skills? Yup. They had those 20+ years ago. But not now. They've largely lost them.

[@fantasyfleet]

Good to see you posting again

[@ChaosphereIX]

I agree with the Collins, they are panned by those who do not know or base information on when they were first put into service. After all was sorted, they are very capable boats. Just need to be maintained. Just like the Canadian Victoria class - a very capable sub [still] that is ruined by poor maintenance and poor logistics. Lets hope the Cdn. gov't is smart and does not buy another orphan class to replace them (I would say the SK KSS-III is a fantastic buy with the current HII fire sales going on).

[@DIREWOLFx75]

"After all was sorted" It's a pity though that there were so much troubles early on, because more than half of them were just silly. Australians made it look like they WANTED a freshwater build because of badly formulated spec reqs. And beyond that, a lot of mostly minor scaling and measuring/precision issues. Nothing that couldn't have been easily solved before construction started but instead, noone bothered to check properly and mistakes were made...

[@marclagalle1486]

Completely agree re- Collins class - after the initial teething issues were worked out they were very capable conventional boats. They would have remained that way had the maintenance been provided in a timely and competent manner, but funding cutbacks etc impeded this.

[@shiftymcgee4183]

Really enjoy your works/commentary/website H I Sutton, thanks!

[@giorgiobattaglia7288]

Thanks for you work, man! A video about the operations of the Type XXIII and their post-war evolutions would be great!!!

[@HISuttonCovertShores]

Great suggestion!

[@huboz0r]

Great piece again. Looking forward to more!

[@DaystromDataConcepts]

You're comments on the Collins class reminded me of the UK's diesel electric Upholder class. They had serious teething issues with regards weapons as I recall. However, their hull form were like those of the nuclear powered variety and I believe were underrated boats.

[@johnshepherd9676]

The Upholders came 30 years after the US Navy's Barbel Class.

[@hypervious8878]

I met a retired RAN submariner once. He told me the collins class were formidable once they sorted the teething problems out, but they were never respected and revered nearly as much as the porpoise class.

[@deanejoyce5393]

I tutored RAN submariners while they were tooling up for the Collins class…being merchant navy, I would say, “Do you know how you guys pass? If I walk into class and the hair on the nape of my neck stands up. I am allergic to submariners. Submariners are lower than cockroaches to a merchant mariner…You want me to break out in hives…” We discussed many different areas in all things nautical and I have to say I have not met any other submariners in the world who “ know their shit” as well as they did… USN and RN included… Thanks for a great video🙏

[@brianomalley7501]

Nice job as always well done it's been awhile since we have heard from you I appreciate how you explain what you put out always looking forward to the next one thank you

[@wildwombat1961]

Another great unscripted talk, being from Aus I agree with your comments on the Collins boats. The Collins boats have been mostly a victim of childish political games and acute short sightiness, for instance decisions made for purely political reasons building subs here was concentrated in just one state where if it was one correctly there was an opportunity to create at least another 2 additional ship yards turning out boats slowly or just building sections for the prime shipyard, this would have created a flow of experience trades it would improve maintenance cycles and allow for home-grown designs to allow for block upgrades to be built. Keep up the great work

[@ddegn]

I always enjoy your videos. Thanks for making this one.

[@anthonyburke5656]

A few years ago, I was in Hawaii, I did the tourist y things, including a visit to the Arizona, then I spotted a submarine open for inspection, finding it was a WW2 sub that ran its main wartime patrols out of Darwin, I went onboard. I was very surprised at the advanced (for that time) design and the excellence of the design and construction. I hadn’t realised just how good the US subs were in WW2 (I won’t mention the woeful torpedoes and erratic Doctrine).

[@Syndr1]

Hi H.I. wonderful video as always. Learning stuff I didn't know I needed to know. 🧐😉

[@danielkarlsson9326]

I do remeber that back in the late 90's the people at Kockums was rightly quite pissed at both Aussie Government and U.S Navy and Companies. The reason beeing they felt like they were blamed for everything that happened with the Collins class even though it had been done against the advice from Kockums or systems that Kockums had no idea of excisting and beeing used by AUS and made and delivered by U.S. Alot of Kockums engineers felt like they were scapegoats for the U.S and AUS Governments. Also i would argue that Näcken given how important it was for the AIP propulsion is more underated than Collins-Class Subs. Best regards.

[@jonkvh]

Kockums wasn't blame free. They were a bit myopic in their outlook. Just remember, Kockums sent over the first hull to Adelaide, that was nearly unusable.

[@z_actual]

Kockums were unhappy that they werent allowed to tender, and Im sure we all remember how that so called process worked out. Screw you Macron. Really the RAN are terrible customers, the swinging doors of parliament are incubators for morons, and the media should be spit roasted. The pigs got really quite admirable submarines but nobody thanked Kockums for it. Its a shame but it is what it is.

[@tomnewham1269]

Like the other person commented, Kockums did contribute to some of the problems with the Collins class. The propellers didn't meet the required noise standards so the RAN had to source them from the US Navy. Also the first hull had to be redone because it too didn't meet the RAN standards.

[@z_actual]

​@@tomnewham1269 those things are true, but there were reasons screws are notoriously difficult and depend on where the boats operate. Im still not sure about my own boat which varies from time to time, such a black art it is. Cold sub surface sea water such as you might find around Sweden or in the southern ocean is more dense than the warmer shallower waters in the choke points to our north where operational silence is essential. That difference in density radically reforms the ideal profiles you should have produced, and sadly its not possible to have a screw thats the jack of all trades, just close. The Americans, who wanted to learn things about Collins such as the noise signature offered to help and they had software that made it worthwhile, it was an offer Australia wasnt to refuse. In my younger years I thought we could manage noise better with synthesised noise, but pressures on other matters were such we never got to experiment with it. Its also true that there were significant laminations in the steel sent from Sweden, for which I dont think Kockums were responsible but they should have checked. All that and those 6 forward tubes were a bugger that was to come back and haunt the RAN decisions again and again. The fairings that were expected to be used anyway did the trick in that case, but issues kept appearing that ASC were too slow or too underresourced to investigate. The vibrating masts and the spiral wrap are a good example. We were all a little out of our depth. At the end of the day however, the concept for Collins which at the time was quite different was better than good, it is still probably the best diesel e sub in the world, and they are managed by competent well trained and dedicated crews. Australia should not have stopped building them but gone on at something like half speed to maintain the skill base, and another half dozen younger boats for a constant fleet strength around 12 would be useful. But then here we are.

[@tomnewham1269]

@@z_actual I agree with you that we should have built more of them to keep our skill set. A real shame that Canada didn't see the potential in the Collins class and purchased some for their own use. Both countries would have benefited if they did had done that.

[@g00dgh0st]

Back to the core topic! Keep it going, good stuff all around.

[@JETFOURLITRE]

Collins class once they were sorted out became quiet formidable.

[@1337flite]

Ooh - it's a good day when we get a new Covert Shores. Thanks Mr Sutton. As an Aussie it's great to hear about the Collins. I'd like to hear more about Upholder/Victoria if you ever get the time especially the decicsion to get rid of them so early in their service life - was that "just" economics or were there operational reasons?

[@ianfox6106]

You know how to flatter us here in Australia. I would love another video on Australia's nuclear submarine project. And I would love a part 2 of this video of the runners up.

[@johnshepherd9676]

You overlooked the 585 class's fraternal twin the 580 class diesel-electric boats. They remained the most advanced diesel-electric design until the 1980s. The 580 design was adopted by both the Royal Netherlands Navy and the Japan Maritime Self Defense Force.

[@Hollywood113807]

I actually have a funny story involving the Collins class told to me by an Ex RAN Officer. One of the recently commissioned boats was coming alongside in South Australia and the Cpatain wanted to do a maneouver he'd seen US sub captains do in coming in relatively fast and then full reversing the engines to bring the boat to a dead stop in the perfect spot, unfortunately no one knew there was a lag in the computers so the captain gave the order, the helmsman executed the order and the boat merrily crashed into a fleet tender doing some damage to the fibreglass covering on the bow. There were some very angry phonecalls made, a semi enquiry before the brass realised what had happened and the whole thing quielty swept under the rug before the press got wind of it.

[@bradyelich2745]

Canada built 10 H boats and the first 5 delivered were the first subs to cross the Atlantic in 1915.

[@000NULL]

Shoutout to the Los Angeles. 62 Nuclear submarines built, all accounted for.

[@beeyurself]

so happy to see you back without pro western news bias, thank you for sharing HI Sutton!

[@SubVet84]

As a former submariner, I’d like to see a video on biggest misconceptions about subs or media mistakes when portraying subs…for example movies, and ultimately civilians have no clue how sonar actually looks and works. Every movie or show shows active pinging on radar displays to represent how subs look for other subs, when obviously none of that is true. I know there is a line when talking about NB over BB with frequencies, but no one needs the numbers or array capability. The moment I see a movie that gets sonar correct and shows a crew wearing different hoodies over uniforms, I’ll be happy!

[@BestOfSound99]

While I agree with your list, i would have loved to hear your thoughts about the Victor III. I hope we might get a video on it.

[@brunol-p_g8800]

Nice of you to talk about the Narval, it is very much forgotten by non French speakers. I’d have added the Peral.

[@JGPNGEAMR]

Glad to see some public recognition given to the Collins. An excellent boat with very interesting (and unique?) Requirements for a diesel sub in the modern era

[@jonkvh]

Shows how far my submarine knowledge has come over the years. I too was waiting for you to pick the Collins Class at number 5. It is such an underrated boat. I hope they make a Son of Collins one day.

[@z_actual]

they should, but they wont. An extended Collins would have included the LOTE (Life of Type Extension) improvements and might have allowed for a larger magazine, a new both larger and heavier battery over the existing 400 tonnes of improved chemistry, but really its not to be. For the price of AUKUS we could have had hundreds of Collins II, not that we would but it highlights that we dont really need ocean capable submarines to fight Americas wars for this nations defence.

[@dbooth2008]

@@z_actual Yes but how would we crew hundreds Colins? We have enough trouble crewing the 6 we already have.

[@z_actual]

@@dbooth2008 I think I said "not that we would " the thesis of my argument is that we could have more boats deployed at any one time regionally, including some 6 grounds to our near north We cant do that with 6 boats, we still cant do it with 8 boats, you need more like 14 to 18 boats, but less could be made to work The entire Collins program was completed on A$5.1 billion on 2003 money, we are spending A$368 billion on AUKUS

[@soulsphere9242]

@@dbooth2008 He didn't say we would have hundreds of Collins II subs, only that we could afford hundreds for the same price as AUKUS. We certainly could afford several dozen.

[@kreterakete]

Sir Sutton big hugs from bohemian forest! Your content is fascinating and your voice I love to hear. Thank youuu

[@richtea615]

How many hours have you logged in MS Paint?

[@probusthrax]

Awesome! Always love new content from H I Sutton. I do have a small question for a future video. How effective would a net of US submarines be for stopping a waterborne invasion of Taiwan? Everyone seems to forget about the USA's submarine force when it comes to Taiwan/China, but personally I think they would play a huge part in any defensive plans.

[@hypercomms2001]

Thank you for your comments about the Collins class. I would be interested as for your comments about the capability of the Australian submarine corporation to be able to build the new nuclear submarines and most importantly maintain them.

[@watcherzero5256]

The latest news on the Collins is that while they are being life extended to last until the nuclear subs the Australians have opted not to purchase Tomahawks to give them a land attack capability. I have heard this is partially cost saving to tackle the extra hull work required on the refits, and partially as they dont consider the Collins class having a large enough stores capacity to surrender part of that to carrying Tomahawks.

[@soulsphere9242]

It would be a waste of money. Very few missiles per boat for significant integration cost. It is also not clear what use the RAN would have for land attack missiles anyway.

[@watcherzero5256]

@@soulsphere9242 They are buying 200 Tomahawks for the Hobarts though, so they do see some requirement for land attack capability in addition to the NSM purchased for the ANZAC and Hobarts.

[@soulsphere9242]

@@watcherzero5256 There is very little if any legitimate requirement, they just need to be seen to be doing something whilst the fleet continues to shrink, recruitment is declining, and both of our supply/oilers are long term unavailable due to machinery issues. Tomahawk for the RAN has been debated for a decade at least and there are still plenty of detractors. The fact the RAAF no longer has JASSM in service and has no stand-off capability at all now, but the RAN is getting Tomahawks for a few surface ships should tell you all you need to know. There is no strategy behind procurement at all. "Something has to be done...this is something...so we must do it!"

[@michaelpowell6023]

new cost / advantage measures have scene a decreasing in the initial up grade plans. Although we will need these subs on the front line for more than a decade, the scope of the new work has recently been changed. It will be a bare minimum to keep them afloat, little than effective war fighting vessels into the near, needed, near future potential conflict zones. It is a much talked about lost opportunity/ capability, that wasn't taken seriously by either political party. The next gen of Australian subs should have started a decade before it did. And all the bullshit, sort of choices, should have been investigated better & sooner. I welcome the decade late, idea of Nuclear powered subs for Australia, but it is still, a decade late. And unlikely to see fruition in time. The flat out refusal of both parties to consider interim options just leaves us, and our allies at a dis-advantage. The failure of Government on both sides to engage the public in the debate is just mind blown stupidity. The non refund payment to both the US and Great Briton,( for maybe something to do with Nuc subs but no specifics?) without clauses is just beyond belief. This is by no small means, a small sum. It could easily cover 4-6 interim conventional subs, quickly. But this "payment/ gift to foreign industry" Has No clauses? Can you imagine , either Briton, or the US saying yes to any of this, if it was them?

[@tomnewham1269]

@@michaelpowell6023 When Julia Gillard was PM she wanted a "Son of Collins" class to replace the Collins class. You are right, the governments have been sticking their head in the sand on the issue of replacing the Collins class. We could have easily built the replacement submarines here with our own design as we have the capability. I don't believe we should go down the nuclear path for one simple fact, cost. I cannot see why we couldn't set up a forward operating base say in Singapore or another ally country to allow conventional powered submarines to stay in a patrol zone for a lot longer than what can be achieved by just using HMAS Stirling.

[@jimaholic]

Collins Class 💪

[@hazchemel]

He's right about the pack of bitches sometimes known as the Australian media though.

[@chadogrady9017]

I served on two of those boats! SSG76, SSG78. Good people. Fun times! 😆👍

[@LolTollhurst]

I'm biased, granted, but; what irks me extremely about the Collins blame game is that it was the American contribution that failed the project, while it's the Swedish engineering that got drowned in the barrel of ink. Yes yes "A large friend to big to fail and to noble for criticism" etc, sure, all part of the game but... mate people have reputations! This is business! It's not the principle, it's the money!

[@nerd1000ify]

The US did fix the propellers after the original Kockums design turned out to be faulty.

[@ropemaster5660]

As always, very interesting, very well done 👍 you gained a new subscriber 😉

[@chuckthornton4949]

Any plans on an updated World Submarines: Covert Shores Recognition Guide? I'd love to have one with all the additional information you've spoken on since 2017.

[@iainkillion262]

Can’t wait for a submarine tier list

[@artistjoh]

Collins Class with its Australian modifications was for many years the largest diesel electric, and still is one of the largest with a remarkably long range. They will get extensions to life to fill the gap until the nuclear powered submarines are in service.

[@GGJunHyo]

Im glad i saw the Navantia S80 in the honourable mentions. I'm expecting raving reviews about them when once they have an operational history. I'm hoping they win the India and Philippines submarine tenders.

[@DIREWOLFx75]

I would suggest anyone to take a look at the wikipedia page "list of pre 20th century submarines". There's a surprisingly large number of them. The Spanish Peral is one of the more noteworthy, just to take one example. "Collins class" Yeah, there were also some really silly mishaps in regards to that class. For one thing, Australia wrote some specifications VERY BADLY. Because the sub class was based on a previous Swedish sub, they wrote spec reqs while referencing to the Swedish sub class. A Swedish subclass specifically created for non or at least less salty water. And in at least some places, they made it look like they specifically WANTED the Swedish solution, NOT the saltwater adaptation of the same gear. It was just poorly written(AND Australian navy didn't follow up at all), but it caused millions of $ of extra costs because of course a system designed for freshwater is going to get messed up by saltwater. So yeah, that was the one HUGE spectacle that i personally remember because there were a lot of articles about it and how the design team basically just answered critique with "they specifically asked for it, so we delivered exactly that". IIRC there were also some problems with scaling. Parts needed to be upsized and everything was in metric, which apparently wasn't good enough for Australian shipyards. And then there was how Swedish designers made things based on the precision normal in the Swedish shipyards, and then the Australian shipyards could not manage that precision, ALMOST, so close that it didn't matter at all for build quality. But the MISMATCH between blueprints and construction like that? There were, issues...

[@dacox1433]

'Dry and unsourced', but still 👑

[@Bottlekiller]

Can you make a video all about the recent visit of the Kazan in Cuba?

[@druspork7737]

So pleased you included the Collins here. It is somewhat dispised in Aus and this is certainly no longer justified (if it ever was).

[@GrahamCStrouse]

It’s getting long in the tooth & maintenance is a huge issue. Not a bad design for its time, though.

[@tony18662]

The biggest change is Propulsion For The Swedish A- 26 Submarine giving it an endurance of 40+ days underwater. Nearest competitor is about half that . A significant advantage to the Swedish subs.(Swedish current subs have been upgraded with this technology)

[@licht6977]

I love your "unfunny and unsourced submarine videos" :-)

[@mercurybullet6043]

Collins interestingly didn't go with AIP. They get more range filling the space with more batteries. Collins AFAIK were the only advanced diesel electric that went down this path.

[@_Alfa.Bravo_]

Very well done Sir. Thank you

[@83MQ]

Would love a video on the victoria class!😆😆😆

[@Steve-vf7se]

Sumbarines are cool, being underwater. Are sumbarines to be used also for war? (I'm just asking). It'll fun to view underwater and discover sea creatures and whales. I'd like that.

[@foreverpinkf.7603]

Great and informative video, but what's wrong with your sound recording? Strange distortions.

[@unaussprechliche_Benutzernamen]

@HISuttonCovertShores if you're looking for topic recommendation: I love your video on Belgorod where you show the evolution of knowledge and I always wondered about the myrrhiad of things we do NOT know about (historic) special purpose submarines (e.g. NR-1, USS Halibut and Parche, the India Class or Project 1910) and what has been revealed since but has not become more common knowledge.

[@kevincook1018]

I participated for many years in US "special" submarine programs. The capabilities will no doubt remain sensitive until completely superceded by newer technologies. Such was the case of declassifying project Azorian and project Ivy Bells.

[@Statueshop297]

Excellent content as usual

[@bigsarge2085]

Interesting as always!

[@jasont2610]

@H I Sutton - can you do a talk on submarine captain training .e.g Perisher and it's various "equivilants" (I'm sure as a Brit you might say there is no course equivilant to Perisher) around the world - and also the countries that send their candidate captains to other nation's courses.

[@karlpmueller]

Would love to see a video on the Collins class.

[@sir_vix]

Might I recommend 'Hypohystericalhistory's guide to the Collins Class Submarine' (just posting the title, as posts with links seem to get deleted). At approximately 7min, it is one of his shortest videos. He also has 2 other videos on recent RAN submarine programs that together run for 3.5 hrs.

[@waygonner]

I would add another honorable mention and it is the US Gato class from ww2. They’ve been over shined by uboat lore from the war in the Atlantic. The gato and later balao subs were incredibly advanced machines for their time and were only held back by awful torpedo detonator design.

[@gregwilliamson3001]

The title of this video is "5 Underrated Submarines". I'm pretty sure that if you asked anyone who knows ANYTHING about submarine history, the Gato class would be mentioned???

[@richardstaples8621]

One of the cheerleaders for Australia's proposed venture into the nuclear sub club has recently panned the Collins class as the 'worst sub in the world'. He & his cronies are terrified that the AUKUS arrangement, whereby Australia is supposed to acquire a handful of second-hand Virginias (at an undisclosed but certainly eye-watering price) will fall apart. It is heartening to hear your alternative assessment of these very capable boats. As for the corrosion, it is reported that it has been found in some frames & tanks. It may well turn out that the integrity of the pressure hull is not threatened in any way & the subs nay be good for many more years of service.

[@tomnewham1269]

Who is the cheerleader that you are referring too? That is interesting to know that it is in the tanks and not the actual hull that is affected. I sort of read that it was around the torpedo tubes that was the problem however everyone seems to be vague in what the issue is.

[@jpdj2715]

What about an "underrated" list of the submarines from non-USA NATO countries that were able to theoretically sink very strategic US navy vessels in two party exercises, with multiple vessels in play, coming under those vessels and not being detected?

[@nomadicSHIORI]

Any videos about Indian Submarines?

[@LHoover]

8:44 how much did this maneuver run? Did they use thier windows or anchors?

[@MADmosche]

Great video! 👍

[@Spike_au]

The Collins class was never a bad platform. Just EXTREMELY poorly managed by ASC

[@ds_has_several_cats]

I was going to ask about the Collins Class, and then it popped up!

[@rcwagon]

Another Great H I Sutton video. Thank you. I'm also enjoying the comments.

[@gafrers]

Interesting as always

[@v_isforvictory9366]

I think you should talk about the type 209 it's common but very little information on it

[@TheShantry]

What did mine resupply ops look like for the Type UC-1 subs? Did they have to meet up with resupply ships frequently?

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

Great video...👍

[@Pabbley]

Hi H I Sutton!!

[@josephwennerlund5075]

Could you do a top 5 overrated Submarines? Great video as always.

[@abrahamdozer6273]

It's not just in Australia where the media are the enemy of Defence. If you ask most Canadians about their submarines, they'll tell you "they're crap!" even though the Upholder/Victoria class is one of the best diesel boats out there. There is no publishied information about them that is not negative. The Canadian Armed Forces are terrible at selling themselves.

[@d1.004]

i ALWAYS WANTED A EXPLICIT COMPARISON BETWEEN COLLINS, WALRUS AND OYASHIO SUBS AS THEY WERE DESIGNED AND BUILT WITHIN SIMILAR TIME PERIODS OF EACH OTHER AND ARE ALL VERY GOOD SUBS.

[@daikucoffee5316]

You forgot ‚some Australia dude with a snorkel‘ in your list.

[@HorstMichel-mh7gv]

Thanks for this insight.

[@Éispesal]

Make some vídeo talking about the Brazilian nuclear submarine program! Pls🥹

[@pereriksson5240]

I heard that 95% of the problems with the Collins-class were due to the local shipyard in Australia.

[@jayrigger7508]

I just reread "Red November" and it really made me think about the tech they used in the stories they shared... I am boggled by how much more something like the Jimmy Carter could do given how amazing Parche and such was

[@GrahamCStrouse]

Wrong month…

[@maxhugen]

👍I agree with the comments about the Aussie Collins Class, despite issues they were lethal subs (when operational) with smart naval personnel. Interesting YT video: *"Australian Sub defeats US Navy in exercise"*

[@WolfHeathen]

Sweden did the same thing in 2005 but they weren't as cool when announcing their win as the Australians were.

[@maxhugen]

@@WolfHeathen 👍 I recall that! The diesel-electric Swedish submarines are highly regarded. Glad to see Sweden joining NATO, too. 🇦🇺