5 Ways Gordon Murray's T.50 Embarrasses Today's Supercars

[@labradormcgraw]

Well, there's no denying it - this guy really knows what he's talking about. Still one of the very best on KZbin.

[@EmmaHopman]

I absolutely agree

[@drummerdoingstuff5020]

Even though he knows what he's talking about, he's still one of the very best!

[@normang3668]

@mike brink for which electric vehicles though? I know the Porsche Taycan has a two speed transmission but I assumed that was for higher top speed since it's much more performance-oriented than most EVs on the market? It's not necessarily applicable across the board to every electric car.

[@Walkerswell]

mike brink Bicycle analogy isn’t necessarily a great one. ‘Easier’ in that case really means less force, but you have to pedal more. Work = force x distance, gears allow you to apply less force over further distance or visa versa, but from a physics perspective you don’t actually do less work, you just spread the work out over a longer time. This is helpful as different motors like operating at certain amounts of force (torque in a motors case) and at certain speeds, but human legs and electric motors are quite different so it’s not really a useful comparison other than to provide a basic idea of what gears do. Just because gearing can be useful, doesn’t necessarily mean it always is.

[@wallymcguire2033]

I love reading comments on other reviews where people say they “don’t like the fan”. Ok ... did you take the time to understand all of the 6 modes of how it performs, how it instantly increases downforce under braking or how it can turn it into a long tail? Seems like the work of a genius but you don’t like how it looks 🙄 Edit: Lol, our boy talks about it in this video. Good job ✌️

[@bminerrolltide]

"Are you really going to argue that a naturally aspirated V12 doesn't sound good? I don't think you are." Thank you for giving everyone the correct answer to the question before they even had a chance to consider it. :)

[@obeybosss]

i wonder how close that engine will be to F1 in terms of sound mashing on those sweet 12.100 rpms....

[@SD-tj5dh]

One day we will lose that sound and that day will be very sad indeed. 10 years from now it will by hybrid turbo 4 pots everywhere that will sound like farting through a hairdryer.

[@ristekostadinov2820]

@@obeybosss it wont be that good, with european sound restrictions and using lot of cats. Maybe they can fix that for US market (since it cost lot of money it should be customizable). Aftermarket will fix that for sure :)

[@bminerrolltide]

@@ristekostadinov2820 are you suggesting that we put cats in the tailpipe? So inhumane...

[@PLK123]

V10 > V12

[@kenxiong6830]

When asked why his cars were so light, Colin Chapman said,”you ever see a fat man outrun a skinny one?” Lol

[@jacobm2625]

Once in the NFL. Other than that, no

[@okumakamizu3030]

Or outskate)

[@Ijusthopeitsquick]

@@DrSardonicus He said fat.

[@kenxiong6830]

Hashim Rahman Reggie white may be fast in a straight line but idk about an obstacle course but there will be a few exceptions to the rule

[@Amaterasu-wh6xj]

@@DrSardonicus its the differnce between a sports car and a muscle car

[@donalddarbonne779]

As a Miata owner, I appreciate light weight over horsepower.

[@jmirsp4z]

honda beat boi here and i agree

[@TheSteinbitt]

You need SOME hp though, Miata has none:p

[@joshbrock2663]

@@TheSteinbitt it has some. 95ish is "some". but seriously though, with a 1.6 motor costing around $300 these days, it doesnt really make sense to not slap a turbo on one if you have the means. just keep a good motor around for when that one blows. then just move your turbo bits onto the next victim. seriously. you can get 5 engines for the price of a good hardtop. the 1.6 is good for like 230hp reliably. 290 if you pay the $300 few every few years. or 290 reliable hp if you build up the top end. that can get expensive though for a car thats like $3500

[@TheSteinbitt]

@DESTROY WHITE SUPREMACY BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY lol no you don’t, you seem a bit unhinged tbh.

[@blooiefps9304]

@DESTROY WHITE SUPREMACY BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY proof or it didn't happen

[@Steve_643]

I knew this car was something with more class when Gordon Murray said he didn’t care about 0-60 times. All he cared about was making the best driving car possible!!!

[@JohnAbrahamsen]

Elon Musk will not accept that he doesn't care about 0-60 times last I heard from him.

[@smiddlehurst1]

The funny / weird thing is we may end up seeing a direct comparison between lightweight and fun to lightweight and outright performance with both T.50 and the Aston Martin Valkyrie rolling out to customers relatively close together. Personally I'm firmly with Gordon on this one. While Valkyrie being road legal is very impressive I can't imagine anyone lucky enough to have one deciding to actually use it on the road for any length of time. Not unless they're throwing in free chiropractor sessions anyway.

[@dankwedd_yt8197]

That was exactly his thoughts when he was making the F1. Make the “ultimate drivers car” type experience

[@JohnKickboxing]

The more you make a car in performance oriented way, the more it looks ugly.

[@frankguido4626]

100%

[@miketeeveedub5779]

EE Jason: "So what's the reason behind the fan?" Gordon Murray: "Additional diffuser downforce." EE Jason: "No, the REAL reason." Gordon Murray: "...I'm Batman."

[@Andy-Andeee]

Settle down Commissioner Gordon

[@ALE5six1]

Lmao!! Gold

[@axiomic]

I think Jason underestimates the performance of the fan.. Gordon wouldn't include it if it wasn’t significantly adding to the performance.

[@NvTwist]

Not just from the defuser under the car, it also removes it from above the car along the body of the car.

[@will7its]

Hold my beer......😕😮😇

[@hestJaevel]

Engineering explained: Sound: V12 = good I agree to these maths

[@Outland9000]

mhm... Its your basic engineering equation.

[@KubuśpuchatekTVN]

Free Kyle Rittenhouse!

[@AbrahamArthemius]

I personally prefer the sounds of a V10 but still... V12 = Good

[@lepmuhangpa]

@@AbrahamArthemius Yeah me too but damn will it sound awesome with the ram air intake.

[@saeoce4794]

My maths for this one is Yamaha = good

[@KidCorporate]

When you're more McLaren than McLaren

[@surreykeyssurreykeys7517]

totally!

[@MadBiker1337]

Absolutely 👍

[@douglascatty9976]

McLaren diluted Gordon’s design for reasons known only to Ron Dennis and McLaren insiders whilst this vehicle is unlimited by extraneous influence. The fan is highly functional and will become more so as aerodynamic information becomes available from the fleet in the real world

[@HunterRouth]

Amen.

[@darthvaper6745]

It's GMA, not McLaren

[@ARSZLB]

i started cracking up at the animation of the T.50 flapping its “wings” 🤣

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

The use of the fan is brilliant, and you explained it very well. More downforce at low speed and under braking, and lower drag at high speed, all due to the fan (and valves). Very good use of active aerodynamics, without sliding skirts or variable surfaces other than the moving wing. Low weight is extremely important and translates directly to fun. My Tesla Model 3 Performance will do most of what my friend's Lotus Exige will do, but must work much harder to do it. The Exige is much more fun to drive, particularly on tightly twisting roads. Low weight would be my number one criteria for a performance car driven for fun. The weight of T.50's chassis and drivetrain is incredibly low. Undercuts his classic McLaren F1. For anyone who wants to see how fun a light car is, drive a Lotus Elise or Exige.

[@mikedrop4421]

Nice to hear an engineer give their take on this marvelous machine. Journalists are good with words but they all sound the same and hit the same points. This was refreshing.

[@clark5583]

"engineer"

[@mikedrop4421]

@@clark5583 well until I see proof he's not an engineer I'll continue to call him one

[@clark5583]

@@mikedrop4421 go ahead. But 4 basic years of college with no job experience creating/calculating/failing and finally succeeding don't make u an engineer. No matter the amount of 'presentations' u post online. He's just another journalist who can draw gears and google 'what's 10m in feet'

[@AdrienSantosCoelho]

@@clark5583 He did work for a forklift manufacturer(on a parts design team) for some time if I'm not mistaken.

[@clark5583]

@@AdrienSantosCoelho yup, he totally did. 'application engineer' as a freshman and a 'test engineer' for 6 months.

[@abarratt8869]

Great video, thanks very much! THE FAN: I think you've missed one important aspect of the fan's purpose. Gordon Murray has said elsewhere that a function of the fan is to move the centre of downforce forward from the diffuser area, to be much more central in the car. This is important because that means that the car's downforce is much more balanced w.r.t. it's centre of mass. This will significantly improve its chuckability into corners, because the front end will be so much better. Note there's pretty much no front end aerodynamic downforce components. THE FUN FACTOR: Gordon Murray has for years referenced polar moment of inertia as being a key parameter of car design for "fun". That is, how close to the centre of mass is the car's mass? For example, a car where the engine and gear box are at either end of the car may well have a 50:50 weight distribution, but it will much more strongly resist turning into a corner simply because all the weight is at the ends of the car. With all that weight converged into the centre of the car, the same weight vehicle will have a much better steering response. The same goes for the polar moment of inertia in the other 2 planes also - it's best if everything is in the middle. So yes, tyres are very good these days and a heavy vehicle handlers like never before, but the same tyres on this car are going to make for phenomenal handling. The fan has a role here too. By not relying on wings and splitters to generate downforce at the front and back, he's saving weight in the structure of the vehicle at the front and the back because he's not got the downforce at those locations. Instead he's placed the downforce in the middle of the car, where you want the balance of downforce to be in the first place and where you want the structural mass to be also. Gordon Murray has often been critical of mad cars with monstrous engines primarily because they generally end up with some enormous weight positioned away from the car's centre. I can recall his article about the Bughatti Veyron, basically admiring what an good job Bughatti had done to keep the polar moment of inertia as low as they did, contrary to his initial fears, given the size of engine they'd squeezed into the car. RPM PER SEC: You mentioned the responsiveness of an NA engine, but the figures for this engine are off the scale. 28,000 rpm/s. The NA McLaren F1, which we still think of being pretty damned phenomenal, is "only" 10,000 rpm/s. Gordon Murray is clearly using this car to correct the "mistakes" he made on the F1; no bag for a fuel tank, using proper lights instead of ones borrowed from a bus, normal sized tyres, not hiding the gear shift mechanism, making the air conditioning work, that kind of thing. The motor generator on the crank is quite important - it provides electricity for the fan, but also the electric aircon pump. By not having a belt driven aircon pump he doesn't need to design one that can survive the rev range between 0 and 11,500 rpm (or whatever it's geared to) and the 28,000 rpm/s speed change.

[@theslimeylimey]

You summarized that well. This car is will be like a Cheetah on cocaine.

[@nssherlock4547]

HA, Imagine how quick it would smoke an AC fan belt, if it had one .

[@byst33]

This is the best comment.

[@brianiswrong]

Somebody also watched Harry Metcalf talking to Gordon about the T50.

[@felipetartas5434]

@@brianiswrong The best video for this car.

[@axel_x8954]

and i was thinking that the era of analog and manual super cars was over and then Gordon Murray's came to save my life, thank youuu

[@EngineeringExplained]

Now all you need is a cool $3,000,000.00.

[@JapaneseSoomi]

@@EngineeringExplained Hahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahaha

[@JapaneseSoomi]

@@EngineeringExplained im broke

[@JapaneseSoomi]

To me its like a Scion FRS/GT86/Subaru BRZ but like 5 stages up : ( Sport , Super , Etc )

[@didiandiano]

it is over, Gordon Murray says this car will be the last of it's kind

[@ofeebape4232]

McLaren T50 is the answer to the prayers of Petrolheads. When I first saw the photo of this Car, I thought its gonna be just another 4 wheel drive 1000+ HP turbocharged hybrid with lightning fast transmission and a nurburgring lap record. I am deeply satisfied and Thank god for giving us the T50. Even though most of us can't afford it but we will go to sleep dreaming about this car and such cars are still made. Ferrari, Porsche take notes... This is how it's done!!!!!!

[@agustin.guglielmone]

Yes but it's not a McLaren

[@michaeltrumph121]

Well said. The morons at Ferrari should try to do something similar, but I'm afraid they won't.

[@replynotificationsdisabled]

Ferrari still making n/a gt cars along with Merc. This is a low production run with certain parameters to meet. Apple's and oranges. But hey, you garnered some attention. Yay

[@michaeltrumph121]

@@replynotificationsdisabled Yes, Ferrari still make great NA engines, but their cars have become too heavy in modern times. I'd take an F50 over any modern Ferrari.

[@xestore]

@DESTROY WHITE SUPREMACY BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY amen..👍

[@Jonboyutube]

That calculation he did at 13:55...my brain stood up, resigned and walked straight out of one of my ears

[@bminerrolltide]

"1st, 2nd, and 3rd probably can spin the tires super easy; that's awesome, and as a result, I'm okay with the tall gearing." - The perfect formula for a fun car.

[@juanordonezgalban2278]

That's what happens when you have 650hp/ton on a rwd car!

[@srinitaaigaura]

@@juanordonezgalban2278 How did he calculate the gear shift points? Is there a table of gear ratios?

[@alexmartinez280]

Low torque and tall gears SAVE tires and drastically improves grip during acceleration. That’s huge for performance, longevity which this car in warranty for 50k miles in engine with build life between 100-150k miles. I will use my T.50 like I do/did my V8 M3 which is also a low torque high hp car with very tall gearing in the 6spd gearbox. The low torque makes you faster and way more stable. Saving tires is just a huge cherry on top of the automotive ice cream Sunday.

[@Dakkyun]

​@@srinitaaigaura you can make that out from the torque curve which looking at this engine performance... You might as well have 3 gears and it would still be ok. Torque delivered at such low RPM

[@A.R.B.J.]

That was the best job of rounding up I've ever seen

[@EngineeringExplained]

Putting this on a participation trophy and retiring, thank you!

[@Mgoblagulkablong]

what about Cadillac and their "400" engine

[@lsbugsbunny92]

I think Gordon wants to be honest and precise, because technically it is a 3.9 unlike how Mercedes would do with the 6.2 engines and instead place 6.3 badges all over the C63

[@jsquared1013]

@@lsbugsbunny92 it is not "technically" a 3.9, because if it is 3994 cc then by EVERY standard, it rounds to 4.0L. The Benz "6.3" rounds down because, duh, it's below 6250 cc (6208cc to be precise since I looked it up). Basic mathematics principle.

[@will7its]

@@EngineeringExplained Do we all get one?????

[@rhull3939]

This car literally doesn't need an ounce of marketing. It was already done in the '90s with the F1. Gordon Murray makes a car = people will buy it.

[@mountaindew267]

You're right on the money. They sold out almost immediately and as far as I'm aware, the car isn't even out yet. I bet all he has to do is say he's designing a sports car and name a price.

[@rhull3939]

@@mountaindew267 yes sir, I believe you're correct on that one.

[@markmall7142]

Correct assumption made .I think Gordan Murray has so much respect in design that he needs no PR.That was done with the F1.

[@wallymcguire2033]

It’s a shame they’re only going to build 100 of these. It would be nice if these were more available to more people, not that I’m ever going to get close to one. But if they made 1,000 of them instead of 100 at least I might see it in a car show somewhere.

[@rhull3939]

@@wallymcguire2033 yeah. And the other shame is they won't get driven either. They'll be put in a climate controlled facility in the hopes they skyrocket in value like the F1 did. Which they most likely will.

[@jonkvh]

Harry Metcalfe from Harry's Garage did a brilliant interview with Gordon, well worth a look.

[@keyboarddancers7751]

GM actually complemented HM about that interview.

[@gyrogearloose1345]

Absolutely correct. Brilliant! I've just come from Harry's Garage where I had a good look at the car and spent some time with Gordon Murray . . . virtually that is!

[@Patrick-eieio]

I"ll show my age, the rear end of this car reminds me of the Batmobile.

[@levygaming3133]

Batmobiles had that jet design from the 80s right up to the end of the 90s, hardly showing your age. Unless you mean the batmobile from the 60s TV show, cause yeah that’ll really show your age

[@pjlu2]

@@levygaming3133 iWas going to ask if Jack Nicholson played The Joker the year he was born :)

[@mrbmp09]

Yea, the one with the cheesy yellow flames coming out.....im old.

[@paulcaswell2813]

Straight from the BT46B - that was outlawed in F1 simply because it was TOO good...

[@rrdm6085]

@@levygaming3133 I also posted part of this down there in another thread, but seems more apropos here -- and yes, the '60s TV show version, which was Electric Powered, but those electric motors were powered via Gas Turbine! (the Flame out the back, heh). Friggin Amazing Tech for the day, that could've saved Texas a lot of headaches! That said; I think we should swap in a lightweight Gas Turbine where the Fan is, so we can do 700mph on the straightaways! :-P

[@LaudaMaestro]

That fractional improvement here and there, shaving off millimeters and milliseconds is exactly the kind of thing that everyone who is passionate about Formula 1 obsesses over. Gordon Murray does not give two shits about gimmicks and marketing, he never did and certainly won’t start now. The people who are buying these do appreciate that. This is not really a whole new car, he is just rebuilding the F1 because, it is his lifelong dream and unlike most of us, he feels the F1 was not good enough.

[@KUROSHURA]

Well said mon ami

[@5eba]

Them sell them at cost, of course he cares.

[@AC_702]

Gordon Murray says it, I'll believe it. His record speaks for itself. It took the automotive world nearly 30 years to catch up to his McLaren F1

[@IID]

so fcked up thinking about it but you are right. every gordon murray t.50 interview i saw basically says the same thing... he had a lot of mistakes/regrets with the F1 and the t.50 is basically him correcting it.

[@BasuSatwik]

anyone passionate about Formula 1 knows that much higher downforce numbers can be achieved with a wing and adding DRS to it will reduce the drag for the straights. Higher downforce also means better braking. also a wing is much lighter than a fan.

[@nicovanos]

2020. 2.5 million car. Puts in a manual transmission. Legend!

[@ThatGuy-xd5fs]

Comes out of shadows - shows how everyone is wrong - drops mic - leaves

[@eduardoengelhardt1353]

"Car doesn't need to be light" ? The lighter it is, the faster it can go through the corners. It is physics. Faster on straights, corners and more fun. Why should't it be light?? Oh the tyres are modern?! Nice, so lighter car can go ever faster.

[@hongthainguyen5334]

*_Takumi Fujiwara heavy breathing_*

[@TheInsaiyan]

Exactly, was a weird argument coming from an engineering guy Lighter will always be superior

[@eduardoengelhardt1353]

@@TheInsaiyan Exactly!

[@oskarskates]

I think the point he is making is tyres/brakes/suspension/PS have gotten so good that cars can be heavier and still set same speeds on course (ex: why ferraris,lambo have all gotten heavier and faster

[@oskarskates]

But I agree lighter cars will always be more of a thrill/fun to drive, it's just hard to market low weight in this era when the gains aren't perceivable on a stat sheet

[@THESLlCK]

So this guy built a drivers car outside of drivers cars price range it will 100% end up in the hands of boring people who don't drive them, what a shame

[@djtan3313]

Lol

[@overcastfriday81]

Maybe one in 10 will drive and gordon can point to them.

[@THESLlCK]

@@overcastfriday81 we can dream...

[@overcastfriday81]

@@THESLlCK grass always seems greener on the other side. Maybe a first gen nsx with a reversible turbo kit would give 90% of the joy. Gordon himself drove an nsx in the 90s because he knew the mclaren plan was to drain owners pocket books with parts and service.

[@RichardEnglander]

This is why the design needs to be adapted. Id take all the ergonomics and make an 'affordable' version of a drivers car. Drivers can't afford this

[@KevinSam33]

I would love to see you discussing this masterpiece with Gordon Murray himself, and getting a clearer picture of what's what!

[@Benzinilinguine]

Literally dozens of videos with him talking about this car

[@gustavoflorio5383]

@@Benzinilinguine with people with no engineering degree.

[@phillyphil1513]

agreed, i was hoping the same. who knows there may yet come an opportunity for a part 2 video a year or so from now. we'll still be eager to watch it.

[@dundeedideley1773]

I would reckon that in the presence of Murray, he would of course not criticize so dismissively.

[@ironmantooltime]

I'm afraid our elf faced engineering friend would get a deserved reaming for having slandered Gordon Murray with the accusation his fan is a marketing gimmick. We'll see when the stats come out how much weight doesn't matter then.

[@OrrusTHX]

This is why I bought and love my Alfa 4C - It's FUN to drive. I dont give a flying $h*t about bench racing, its about the driving experience. Sadly auto industry + gov regulations is forcing our auto enthusiast hobby to go extinct.

[@chch242]

Don't you miss the manual?

[@gazzarafalemozzy4766]

haha yeh but you overpaid for an unreliable 4 cylinder, its 40 percent overpriced, less exciting than a lotus, and for the price you could get a reliable v8, some 6s or even nearly a porsche boxter, if you want smaller engine, i DO agree that the speed of a car is less important than the fun of it, my wife had a manual miata that was surprisingly fun despite being under-powered but at least it wasnt overpriced, and a V8 will hold its value so bad choice but each to their own i guess

[@kavinskysmith4094]

@@gazzarafalemozzy4766 and you ALSO overpaid for your car, as why are you driving what your driving, when you could have had a "Insert Car here" that Costs X less and is more reliable here, as god forbid the man has taste and has displayed his choice proudly, and how do you know its unreliable, cars differ from example to example even amongst the biggest brands, just because one's gone crackers doesnt mean his has or will. as for all you know the cars your thinking of were given to the dude brah's of youtube, IE thes donut media's, the street speeds and the smegheads who cant build a car to save their life like B is for b, and they screwed them up and then blamed the manufacturers for it or you watched top gear and took clarkson at his word instead of taking him for the rockheaded smeg head like he really is.

[@xkimopye]

Love the 4c, alpine and Elise

[@dylanmccallister1888]

@@NeoHCgbz no going extinct. In my state they were making people modify their classic cars to fit emissions standards. People were going to sue the state for them wanting to cause damage to their investments so the governor had to sign an executive order for 74 and older cars. All cat cars and newer still have to pass modern emissions standards. They want your old car to learn new tricks or you cant drive it.

[@shreddz]

My car has a fan in the bonnet that STOPS it from breaking!

[@SS-hw1ou]

😂 Every car needs that fan

[@weililim6444]

My pc also have weird glowing fans as well

[@gracefool]

I have fans because I'm cool, not the other way around.

[@jediradekcrif9568]

100 T.50 and 25 T.50s's... I don't think they need to worry about marketing lol when the 30 year old F1 is $20 million while the new T.50s will be $3-4. Anyone needing marketing to sway them to this car should stick with their lambos and mclaren's LOLOL

[@HandbrakeBiscuit]

Back in the days of McLaren F1, a major design goal was a final weight below 1,000 kilos, and GM begrudgingly accepted a final weight greater than that (1,100 plus fluids) only because the engine turned out much more powerful than originally anticipated. Good to see he's brought this T50 to the road at just under 1,000 kilos.

[@R0cketRed]

Absolutely LOVE that its a manual transmission! Let's hope they never die out.

[@N2YTA]

You and me both!

[@demmersify]

...... until all cars are made electric :/

[@N2YTA]

@@demmersify Buzz kill !!

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

Manual transmissions are more entertaining, but dual clutch are objectively better in every way: smaller, quicker, generally lighter, more efficient, etc.

[@N2YTA]

Loanword Eggcorn isn’t the purpose of driving a sports car to have fun, take satisfaction in doing it well, be entertained?

[@willnzsurf]

Every other T50 video is almost an hour long & yet I am most looking forward to this one. Never before has a whiteboard been so highly anticipated. Genius, thanks!!🏁

[@MandyFlame]

16 minutes and never once did he say Batmobile or make a reference to “Conmisioner” Gordon ...

[@adnaanu]

Gordon Murray actually designed a Batmobile for the Batman on Ice show. I think it was around 10 years ago.

[@normang3668]

Oh god, is that actually a comparison people have been making?

[@MandyFlame]

Norman G maybe it’s just me but that fan on the back is very reminiscent. Plus the guy who “commissioned” it is called Gordon. Just me? My brain does work in mysterious ways.

[@SonOfTamriel]

True enough. My MK1 Rabbit GTI with coils was the most fun car I've owned, even though it was pretty slow, it felt very fast and was always rewarding me.

[@billiondollardan]

This vehicle fits a particular niche: Automotive perfection

[@GlenTheGuesser]

I'm in my 50s, I have an engineering degree and still, I learn something from every video you post. Great job and can't wait to hear the audio of that engine at 11,500 RPMs.

[@v0ldy54]

Reading "I'm in my 50s" I thought you were typing frm inside the actual T50s lol

[@ayee7503]

While I do absolutely love this car, I'm worried that a lot of them are going to become garage queens in some billionaire's basement because of resale value.

[@hfychannel2618]

A lot of them will just sit in garages.

[@raykreiger4123]

Actually a lot of buyers are young people who didnt get the chance to drive it because collectors making these cars expensive. Gordon explains this in some of the interviews. It’ll probably end up wrapped around a tree more likely

[@ayee7503]

@@raykreiger4123 Ah, much better.

[@dwftube]

That is the downside of such limited production runs.

[@BlatentlyFakeName]

Roan Atkinson crashed his F1 2-3 times using it regularly :D

[@notjulesatall]

"Don't care about weight" ...Assuming you live in America

[@drummerdoingstuff5020]

I heard people in the UK have a pretty significant fat population too.

[@TheMops14]

@@drummerdoingstuff5020 Yeah, but as always : "America first."

[@drummerdoingstuff5020]

@@TheMops14 no doubt.

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

@Amarjit Singh the fattest countries in the world are: 1. Mexico 2. Various Pacific Islands 3. U.K. 4. America.

[@JapaneseSoomi]

@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 UK barely has any fat people tbh ( Im asian so dont use that excuse lol )

[@CutcliffePaul]

Love this guy's videos almost as much as the other guy's cars, so this one I really did enjoy. 😁 Thanks, Jason & Gordon - keep up the good work, both of you!

[@rattlehead999]

Yes! Slim, light cars for the win. Not fat bulky, chunky cars. Cars should be under 900kg/2000lb, they should be smaller than modern cars, slimmer, with the nice proportions and sizes of what many 80s and 90s cars had and they should be fun. We need an 800kg, 400hp sports car.

[@habdman]

I just hope this gets included in Gran Turismo 7

[@JapaneseSoomi]

it probably will

[@xenodeath7065]

You mean gt sport 2

[@R4M_Tommy]

This is the kind of car you get in GT.

[@cfg_form2122]

@@xenodeath7065 You know that what we got was an early preview, right?

[@baronvonricer]

No, they’ll just give us 30 Miata variants and 40 different GT-Rs

[@jGRite]

Gordon: It's a 4 liter Jason: 3.994 Ford Mustang V8s with less than 5 liters: *sweats nervously*

[@josephschaefer9163]

If you can do math correctly a 5.0 is actually a 4.9 (4943 cc)

[@AbrahamArthemius]

Mercedes 6.3L *sweating profusely*

[@2moke2creen]

@Rodolfo Ramos technically it can be called a 6.2 since you can round up the .-62 is higher than .5.

[@rrdm6085]

@@2moke2creen erm, wouldn't that only up it to 6.17? Therefore, still a 6.1

[@2moke2creen]

@@rrdm6085 looking back at it yes. I was think round the .16 to .20 therefore 6.2L.

[@Mgoblagulkablong]

A true piece of art. This car will be remembered forever and skyrocket in value.

[@bowlock9901]

He's done it again. Class. Art, as you say. Something to behold and marvel.

[@gazzarafalemozzy4766]

disagree

[@MicheleGardini]

not really. Almost everything in this car was already in McLaren F1, it's a little evolved, but it's not revolutionary. And I really doubt it could gain a racing pedigree like F1 did.

[@byst33]

Murray himself sold his F1 as he said the insurance was getting insane and the idea of driving a $20 Million car to the shops started to get ridiculous. This car won't get the same racing pedigree, but it'll absolutely be an investment and sadly probably won't be driven much by the owners

[@MicheleGardini]

@@byst33 a risky investment. At the time of F1 we had no car like that, 3-4 factories and really few models to compare. Now you have a larger market of hypercars, many different models with outstanding performances, every brand offer limited series too (Lamborghini alone made 4 special version of Aventador: Veneno, Centenario, Sian, Essenza) with prices above 1 milion. Yes, there are more billionaires around the world than before, but how many cars they'll buy? There is a serious risk of a bubble.

[@TheBlaert]

Don't agree that the fan is a marketing stunt. For something that's basically passive it makes an absolutely massive difference. Don't forget Gordon Murray had a massive hand in implementing ground effect in Formula 1. That fan is there for a very good reason

[@Outland9000]

Every other super car manufacturer: More is more! Gordon Murrary: Less is more. (But let's also make it beautiful engineering)

[@ScottHillsmusclecargarage]

Very well said.

[@humandroid53]

It's not really beautiful. It is amazing! It is already out of date. Should have been at least a hybrid. Imagine a 2.5 litre V12 or V8 that revved to 16,000 rpm = 450hp, plus 150hp electric. Problem is extra weight.

[@hongthainguyen5334]

Mr.Incredible: _Math is Math!_ Jason: _Sound:_ *V12 = Good*

[@DanMioc1]

Great video as always. I think you may have miss characterized the use of the fan just a little bit. As you stated down force and drag increase with the square of the speed. Therefore the effectiveness of the fan is much higher with speed. If it decreases braking distance by 10 m from 150-0. We can assume the majority of that increase happens from 150-50 and the benefit below 50 mph is negligible. So if your approaching a corner at 150 and can brake 8m deeper to make the corner at 50 I would say that is a justifiable benefit. But at normal road speeds I would think it is hardly noticeable.

[@EngineeringExplained]

I think you provide a very fair assessment (as shown in the video, the effect is more prominent at higher speeds). That said, when he says "downforce doubles" folks might think this means it has massive downforce, when it does not. It's a modest bump. That was my point.

[@jamesengland7461]

The downforce probably doesn't increase that much with speed, as the fan is adjustable.

[@jsquared1013]

Even at "abnormal" road speeds, it's probably hardly noticeable 😅 but it might make a difference for the owners who take theirs to the track.

[@spacecowboy776]

@@EngineeringExplained you have failed to make your point and until that board has a unit of pressure on it, you can not make the assessment or assumption on how much additional downforce is generated by the fan. if anything you proved the car has a low coefficient of drag. and an engineer knows that lift(negative downforce) is different from drag. for all we currently know the fan may just keep the air at the same velocity as if the car were moving at speed, which over your 150-0 curve means the downforce stays at an amount equivalent to 150mph during 150-0 deceleration. effectively doubling the downforce during braking event. also 50% increase in "High Downforce Mode"(not double, you mis-read it in the same document i did) is not a modest bump, thats conservatively 20% more velocity you can carry around a corner.

[@josephschaefer9163]

Drag and lift is a cubed function with speed. Go twice as fast, get eight times more drag and lift

[@jordythebassist]

I don't think I've been as excited to see a car come out as I am for this one, this thing is going to be insane. Cosworth have really knocked it out of the park in recent times with this motor and the Valkyrie

[@kstricl]

If it were just any v12, I might argue the "sounds good" point. But it's a Cosworth, so yeah, it's going to be good.

[@Kalvinjj]

Yeah, in all honesty I do prefer the sound of turbo inline 6 but as always, that's a preference. I do like some NA V12 sound too, but frankly not too much of a fan of high pitched whining, or it being loud. Seems like so many people out there (that is, in comment section and youtubers) seem to just think that if it screams loud and high pitched it sounds beautiful, I'm not really on that group. One of my favorites is a diesel even (VW V10 TDI straight piped. Growls like a lion).

[@slbaaron]

Where my V8 gangs at. V8 > V10. As for V12, I find them more hit or miss like you said. But Cosworth be good for sure.

[@promethbastard]

@@slbaaron Depends on what you like - 6 and 12 cylinder engines are smoother than 8 or 10. It's all about that nerdy physics of forces ;)

[@elanjacobs1]

@@slbaaron Nah, the LFA V10 sounds better than any V8

[@golgoxiii7314]

there is some footage on youtube somewhere on youtube channel and I have to say that engine sounds glorious.

[@kidpagronprimsank05]

T-50 is just McLaren F1 with a lot of refinements, and improvement with today technology advancement. Also, his goal is not build fastest car, but about total driving experience

[@soberek]

The fan is not at all a marketing gimmick. It is an essential part of the original F1 philosophy which the T50 is a modern representation. Namely, the F1 had an active dual fan aero system, but because it was hidden in the body most people never noticed it was there. The T50 fan is so much more visible not to show it off, but because it is a much more advanced system for doing many different functions.

[@jiminycricket9877]

Would definitely argue with the “weight doesn’t matter” claim. Lighter=faster (okay... potentially and if engineered properly etc). If you don’t have it, you don’t have to push it along, stop it or get it to turn. Murray know that as well as anyone since Chapman, hence the obsession.

[@louieatienza8762]

Gordon even obsessed about his drivers not wearing wristwatches so they can steer faster... Plus less weight and softer springs also means at normal speeds you're not going to feel like you're riding in a shopping cart like many other supercars!

[@BasuSatwik]

weight does matter because it is a low powered car

[@grahamowl3996]

"Power lets you go fast in a straight line, lightness lets you go fast everywhere" Colin Chapman

[@fablewalls]

True but in F1 it has penalised larger drivers. Years ago, a pro-cyclist friend of mine used to talk about his all carbon bike with bemusement sometimes because if he had an extra cup of tea / bacon butty at breakfast it negated all the shaved grammes saved on the bike. Still, I like the retro look of the T50 as compared to the Red Bull Valkyrie or even the laFerrari style cars.

[@louieatienza8762]

@@fablewalls I believe Gordon Murray is a relatively tall man and he fits in the T50 just fine.

[@dourian]

Who else would think him and James May would get along really well 😂🤣

[@ryancooper6260]

12100 rpm! This is beautiful! It reminds me of the pagani zonda but on steroids

[@r129r16pfl]

Zonda in it's most extreme form revs only to 8k rpm. T50 will be from another planet.

[@pihermoso11]

@@r129r16pfl Zonda R might have rev higher than 8k, cause it was not meant for road use and was not bound by any racing rule and regulation...

[@nikolavuksan2029]

I would rather get this that tests the driver with the manual transmission, then some robotic trip. This is a man's sports car.

[@RobTheDoodler]

I love the entire philosophy around this car. I love all the technologically overstuffed exotics too, but this one feels special.

[@boymcfacto5832]

0:56 my wallpaper ever since it’s been out

[@JapaneseSoomi]

Cool

[@toroseye]

Cool

[@TalSarig24]

Cool

[@TiagoMorbusSa]

The car looks really good, except for the front end. Not a fan...

[@JapaneseSoomi]

and this is.... a... opinion so nobody attack this dude he's a scorpion

[@richiethirlwell9454]

@@JapaneseSoomi If you look up you might be able to see that joke go over your head....

[@TiagoMorbusSa]

@@richiethirlwell9454 I didn't do as good a job as I should. I should have written "not a fan" instead of "I'm not a fan" ;) Edit: there, I think it's better now :P

[@JapaneseSoomi]

@@richiethirlwell9454 I know its a joke, its just that i dont want anyone to attack him lmao. I dont think you got my joke or refrence which is ironic. No Offense mah dude. have a nice day

[@JapaneseSoomi]

@@TiagoMorbusSa very nice

[@WarriorsPhoto]

Jason, great overview of the car. I like how you went deeper into the engineering of the car. I like the car and appreciate a lot of the engineering being put into. Part of this is Gordon Murray’s talk and thoughts on making an exotic car. Let’s see what the car will do when reviewers have access to the cars.

[@stuartsmith5308]

MY 1980'S austin mini 1000, was just as much fun as my 1981 countach 400s

[@CutcliffePaul]

01:56: “Fly, fly away!” That was hilarious! 🤣

[@scanspeak00]

Lets not forget one other impressive feat - no belts.

[@stroock6394]

and how many functions are performed by that starter/generator... little disappointing this wasn't mentioned in the video

[@jonathanmatthews4774]

I've been driving my electric Hyundai Kona since January. Last week, I got to drive a standard. It was orgasmic. Gawd, I miss standard.

[@geoffmooregm]

I have a Hyundai Elantra GT with the 6 speed and an Isuzu Trooper with a 5 speed. My daughter is 10 and is dying to learn how to drive it. I let her shift the gears (while I obviously clutch and drive) and she already thinks its so cool. I can wait to teach her when she can drive. She will probably be the only kid in her high school that knows how.

[@ProductofNZ]

First supercar I've been excited about for a while.

[@sresto7943]

Did you forget, all of the T50's were sold within 48 hours !!!! thats got to be mentioned !

[@bjrneirikstrkersen1021]

The real boon of the fan is not needing to put a gigantic rear wing on top of a body that looks that good without one.

[@BongoBaggins]

That's Italian manufacturers' 'passion' myth put to bed.

[@johnshaw3208]

Love your videos Jason, the weight penalty is also seen in tire ware. Heavy cars go through brakes as well as tires more often.

[@JakeRobb]

Wish you had talked about the ISG, the lack of an accessory belt drive, and everything else that comes together to allow the engine to rev up so quickly!

[@blackhandofset]

Ronnie Coleman before a deadlift: 0:21

[@Blackdawn80]

I'm glad this car isn't just another appliance that plugs into your garage wall. I get it, EV's are fast on a straight line but a Porsche Taycan weighs 5,119lbs and a Cayenne (3 row SUV) weighs 5,056lbs.

[@origaminefretami3480]

Even the Rimac Nevera is 2,2(!) Tons. Laughable.

[@jahyoda]

Honestly Was Hoping You Would Do This !!

[@jayeshjadhav34]

Really good stuff..but can you please also use the metric system..for us from around the world..😅

[@DrewLSsix]

He uses both, I've never had an issue with that.

[@zed7038]

FREEDOM UNITS! XD

[@freeminded7]

A real bisexual petrol-head how does being patriotic make a person a moron? Sucks about your life

[@alexandertony2475]

@A real bisexual petrol-head keep on enjoying living in your inferior country. If you hate America so much stop consuming so many American products like this video made by an American. Might aswell stop watching 90% of movies and tv aswell.

[@alexandertony2475]

@A real bisexual petrol-head also calling someone a moron while using improper grammar makes you the moron.

[@lukeduke9304]

That's what I've been waiting for. N/A for the win!

[@Eiraart]

Basically Gordon’s building a car for the driver who could careless what everyone thinks and is comfortable driving for themselves. Let them build bigger and faster, I’ll take the T50 and go about a Sunday drive on my own and without my phone or having a data sheet handy to show everyone how fast my paddles are. Drivers want a manual transmission and unfortunately we either have to buy older cars or pay ridiculous prices.

[@alexmartinez280]

The point of the fan is to get significant downforce at much lower speeds than a normal aero car. You can enjoy the downforce during spirited drives and not TRACK speeds. Also the downforce is variable to you have a slippery car for high speeds and downforce when you need it. It’s a super lightweight car so the downforce is magnified bc you don’t need massive downforce/drag. This car is a marvel and the masterpiece engine just makes it the best. Lightweight helps the “consumables” like brakes and tire wear which is a huge cost of you actually use the car. This V12 revs from idle to 12k in 0.6 sec!. That’s like having 4l moto GP bike. Also tire size is 235/295 F/R on 19” wheels so silly low unsparing weight for dynamics. In today’s cars that’s just ACE!

[@Yathuprem]

The only youtuber brave enough to do this. Jason you're on another level.

[@stephenlane9168]

Another great video Jason. Engaging and informative. Loving your week. More videos please. 👏👍👌

[@dAADADADADAADFDFSDF]

Hmmm. it says GMA on the engine, Reverse AMG?

[@wolfx.2546]

Gordon Murray Automotive probably

[@TheBlaert]

@@wolfx.2546 Yup

[@5nitcht]

On the subject of downforce, the real advantage is not more downforce, but more reliable downforce and downforce closer to center of mass. This has the advantage of having the center of mass + downforce always on the same spot. This is much better for more inexperienced drivers who would otherwise not be able to drive this car as fast. Giving a much better driving experience.

[@AtlasJotun]

"What are you gonna brag about?" Car salesman just says "You sit in the middle like an F1." Sold. P.S. To be fair, just showing some folks that nutty Cosworth engine would be sufficient. Getting used to that car with regular tracking (it's only 3 million dollars!) would probably yield a ridiculously consistent track monster.

[@magnusi.9679]

Modern car buyers don't want handling, they want grip. But everyone who's bought this car knows that handling is superior.

[@iqbal55]

Can we see Gordon Murray reacting to this video? Amazing work Jason!

[@CaffeinatedFrostbite]

All these fancy cars and My dream car is a 2019 Mazda Miata or a Saturn sky.

[@JackMott]

Another big advantage of the lightness is that the car can get the great numbers with with smaller tires and brakes that are less expensive to maintain, or with the same size tires and brakes which will need to be replaced less often, and overheat less during hard track days. A a lot of the heavy huge power cars put up great numbers but don't hold up well under prolonged abuse.

[@quinlanhogan7543]

I think you're overestimating the importance of marketing considering the car sold out in 48 hours.

[@habdman]

I though this was a McLaren for some reason

[@EngineeringExplained]

It's the successor to the F1 in many ways. Very similar to the McLaren!

[@lawl6374]

Yea! Even me..

[@1179125]

well because it shared the same designer from the McLaren F1.

[@nevarran]

Because it looks almost the same as F1.

[@hugolafhugolaf]

@@nevarran The front end is almost identical. Which is not a bad thing. Just a fact.

[@Houthiandtheblowfish]

Handling and lightness makes the car fun not the downforce now bear in mind Gordon Murray said this car is a fun gt car not a track car there will be 25 track cars that will have more down force for track use and as far as comfort goes having less down force is suitable for gt variant Thanks for doing this engineering dive in 🙏 we love these

[@jellofuel]

This is shaping up to be an epic track monster. Can't wait to see the times it puts down on tracks all over the world

[@RichardEnglander]

I think it will be more fun on the way to the track via some interesting roads

[@jacobmoses3712]

This will be a road car. Gordon will be making a track version after the road cars are constructed

[@r129r16pfl]

It's everything opposite to the track car, laptimes are not a priority. It has narrow and non track focused Michelin ps4s tires. Soft suspension Low downforce. Relatively low horsepower and torque Slow gearbox. Only good thing (in track car terms) is insanely low weight.

[@TheBadBunny87]

It's a shame we won't have top gear fastest lap times scoreboard. Love to see this go up against the Valkyrie.

[@r129r16pfl]

@@TheBadBunny87 Valkyrie will destroy T50 on a race track.

[@bobboberson2024]

Such a good channel. I don't watch the whole thing normally Like this one. But I appreciate it!

[@marcroy6142]

As usual, such a great video and explanation. Now off to find some more videos about the T.50. Thanks. As if I needed any other reasons to get lost down the youtube rabbit hole.

[@C4RV3]

Low weight has a huge impact on cost/wear items when it comes to track time

[@Kalvinjj]

So for daily driving, you can literally leave it on 1st and do everything... or maybe even 2nd gear... Take that electrics!

[@niteriderevo9179]

EVs like tesla S/X/3, and chevy bolt/spark-ev have only one gear-ratio from 0mph all the way to top speed..

[@Kalvinjj]

@@niteriderevo9179 I know... it was just a joke...

[@niteriderevo9179]

is all good~

[@Sbinott0]

Please can you give us a conversion from freedom units in the videos? Us rest of the world find them quite difficult to understand properly

[@prescottmajette5290]

2.2.lbs to 1 kg, 2.54cm to 1 inch, 0.745kw to 1hp, 1m to 3.28 feet, 1 mile to 1.61 km. Youre already on the internet, you can find the rest.

[@Sbinott0]

@@prescottmajette5290 I have no problem in finding them but it would be useful to have on screen some units that aren't based on some ancient king feet and have nothing to do with the decimal system whatsoever

[@johnsmith1474]

An important purpose of the fan is it's ability to allow a body shape that is exceptionally elegant, as the fan adds enough aero adjustment that funky body additions are unnecessary. And the fan is not complex, it is electric and quite simple. It speaks to the changing aero conditions at various speeds in a rational way without forcing an aircraft aesthetic.

[@enricobarrile8074]

Jesus, probably one of the best video about this fantastic car. I love this channel, I'm watching it from italy, unfortunately there is nothing like this here. Love it..

[@debugin1227]

Gordon doesn’t do marketing stunts.

[@nssherlock4547]

Dont' have to, when they're all sold and the deposits are in the bank. But i'm sure we will see some "marketing stunts" when the car hits the track

[@MrJef06]

Arguably, doing tons of videos with known youtubers *is* marketing... I like it though.

[@stuartanderson643]

aaaaaghhhh "subtract 10m from 557 Feet" just stick to metric I'm sure your viewers wont mind ;)

[@EngineeringExplained]

To be fair, the 10 meters from 150 mph quote (different units) is straight from Gordon Murray.

[@doddsy68]

@@EngineeringExplained you used kg for the weight of the engine and gearbox as well which i am fine with as i dont understand imperial lol

[@gregculverwell]

@@EngineeringExplained yea, but mixing Retardistan units with 1st world units in the same sentence does sound 'retarded'

[@prescottmajette5290]

@@gregculverwell Dropping the R slur two times in one sentence does sound pretty ignorant, regardless of the units you prefer.

[@prescottmajette5290]

@3213232 1231223 Irrelevant to my point, but yes, it does.

[@johnclucas1523]

Firstly let me say hypercars have no interest for me - but I would buy an F1 or T50 in a heartbeat because I'm in sync with their phylosophy. That said i'm in agreement with EE - the fan is a bit of a gimmick - it's an engineering indulgence of GM (and if I had the kudos of GM I'd indulge myself too). Also I have to say that Gordon''s preference, in principle, with "analogue" suspension is at odds with his aero that is anything but. Regret I won't have the opportunity to discuss these matters with GM himself ... pity that no journos have had the confidence to have a serious discussion with Gordon...

[@johnclucas1523]

@Daver G He's a great engineer - but not everything he does makes sense indicator buttons on the steering wheel is a daft idea, for example. But like I say it's the only hypercar I'd buy.

[@gattopazzo80]

One additional consideration about the long gearing comes from the very high revs it can reach: such a high rev limiter allows to reach a higher top speed with a rather traditional gearing, while still maintaining an acceptably low speed at idle without the need to clutch-crawl your way through traffic... Or to put it differently, it´s not longer, it´s extended.

[@MrRedpearl]

Brilliant video. There's still hope for the internet 🙏🏽