5 Years After Avengers: Endgame, Marvel Is Still Struggling With Its Biggest Surprise

5 years later, the Marvel Avengers Endgame time jump is still its biggest mistake! In 2024, it’s probably safe to say that the MCU is in a very different place than it was in 2019. It can sometimes be a sobering experience to think back on the Infinity Saga, before every entertainment site made a cottage industry of wondering what went wrong with the MCU since. That’s not to say there wasn’t some enjoyment to be found in the likes of Marvel movies and Marvel TV shows like Spider-Man: No Way Home, Guardians Vol. 3, Loki, or other titles, but the quality of Marvel’s output and their overall reputation have suffered drastic shifts over the past five years.
What was once the most impervious franchise in blockbuster filmmaking has now found itself embattled with too many mediocre projects, all the setup for Kang the Conqueror possibly being derailed, and long overdue conversations about the poor working conditions for VFX artists.
But at least for today, we’re looking back on Avengers: Endgame itself, which was released five years ago on April 26, 2019. Specifically, we’re talking about how the film’s five-year time jump has had a bizarrely complex effect on the MCU, simultaneously adding weight and gravitas to Endgame while also being detrimental to the world-building and narrative integrity of the projects that followed.
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[@brandon_gb]

Endgame really was the endgame

[@cronixx_12]

of what sir?

[@derp7327]

@@cronixx_12of the MCU

[@kirankamat9311]

wwe ​@@cronixx_12

[@daniellewis4154]

So did you want endgame to be the final film of the MCU?

[@peterkefalos7430]

@@daniellewis4154yes

[@GreggDafoe]

If Marvel is smart, the end of Deadpool & Wolverine will be them appearing on the MCU Earth right as the Avengers return everyone, implying that the reversal of the blip is what brings mutants and other non-Avengers heroes to Earth, letting them reset the MCU post-Endgame.

[@lilnutty6821]

OK nerd

[@dickdickensen]

​@@lilnutty6821lol

[@WRDend]

No. Erasing movies and shows is dumb.

[@VoiceOfModernTruth]

@@WRDendit’s not erasing it, the mcu will die without the X-Men. Nobody gives a crap about these new Avengers.

[@svenskhund3603]

​@@WRDend Like it or not, they are gonna have to reboot the franchise sooner or later. The MCU can't go on without mainstay characters like Captain America, Black Panther, Iron Man and Spider-Man. It's not our fault that they didn't reboot when they had the chance with Endgame. Now we are left with them trying to squeeze whatever juice they can out of B and C-list heroes and villians.

[@superjboy16]

I'd say not taking a freaking break to research and come up with better stories after Endgame killed the MCU.

[@daniellewis4154]

How did endgame kill the MCU? It’s not the worst movie in the world. What did you want from endgame?

[@hazman5528]

“Endgame killed the mcu” You’re an actual clown.

[@IGOBYTHENAMELOVE]

@@daniellewis4154it’s ruined how to follow up ,. The tone was dark

[@andrein_501st]

The problem is Marvel didn't do enough after endgame to make things matter like they used to in the infinity saga.

[@SchmergDergen]

I’d say the biggest mistake of the MCU would be catering to an audience that doesn’t care.

[@Snowqueenelsaofficial992]

Infinity War was the true end of the MCU

[@mrgoody69]

It's all ended within Infinity War

[@daniellewis4154]

That implies that you wanted Thanos to get away with his crimes scot free and for the snap to never be reversed

[@sickotapes]

@@daniellewis4154 no it was just a better movie all downhill from there

[@Nicko-jv3jv]

Also infinity war was the better movie

[@hazman5528]

You people who say “iT EnDeD wItH InFinIty WaR” are annoying AF. No, this is the fact: the infinity saga concluded officially with Avengers Endgame. And that movie was also phenomenal. Even if IW is arguably better. Stop trying to be fancy by saying it ended when Thanos won. No one in the right mind would be impressed with that take.

[@hazman5528]

@@sickotapesavengers endgame, Loki, Spider-Man NWH and Guardians 3 were all peak mcu as well. To say it’s “all” downhill isn’t 100% accurate.

[@cryptixx1667]

damn that was 5 years ago

[@loslakers530]

Crazy to think about! And Iron man was 16 years ago

[@isaarif9]

5 years is insane.

[@MrEoin1986]

U know what also cost the marvel universe to go down hill was not just the 5 year jump. It was also the Covid-19, the actors and warters thing and the other ceo bob cheap cutting costs for all the other projects as well

[@sr_rexalworld]

To me there is only one reason. Marvel decided to change their target audience after Endgame.

[@Elibbb-sx3kg]

After 5 years, Marvel can't make a movie that will top endgame

[@the1hero182]

Spider-Man: No Way Home & Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 were close imo

[@noellezcano]

True

[@DonutTPOTer]

​@@the1hero182Tbf one is more so a Sony film and the other feels a bit disconnected from the MCU, like deadpool

[@StickyFingerss]

​@@the1hero182nah

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

Why do you expect the beginning of their next phase to top the capstone of a decade of filmmaking?

[@Somtric]

Nope, it wasn't. everything was amazing and Endgame was amazing, it was the half-assed, no real plan after End Game and Ironmans death.. that is the biggest mistake from Marvel.

[@koredepaul125]

Men it was 5 years ago, really feels like a time jump

[@TheGoncas2]

Time travel is, and always will be, a cheap writing hack. It nullifies all stakes.

[@daniellewis4154]

So did you not want the snap to be reversed then? If so then how are we supposed to get spider man back.

[@leonardobroza6298]

Agreed. I've enjoyed both movies but really wished they hadn't gone down that route. It takes the weight from everything from that point onwards. Time travel and multiverse are a mistake in almost all stories and now they've trapped themselves into it.

[@shadowflare7230]

@@daniellewis4154 There are multiple universe and multiple spider-man. Wouldn't have been hard to just put a new one there.

[@daniellewis4154]

But shadowflare, people have grown very attached to the Tom holland spider man and killing off in the snap only to leave him dead permanently would just look extremely mean spirited. Plus spider man’s arc was not finished yet

[@hazman5528]

Bad take. If there’s truly “no stakes”. Then explain Tony and Natasha’s deaths? How it led to 2014 Thanos coming back in the third act? Or how it set up both Spider-Man NWH and The Loki series (both of which had stakes and consequences in their stories too) You’re not making any sense

[@ybc7483]

We should have listened to Thanos😢😢😢

[@tantona9315]

Thanos was right, the 2nd time around. Why stop at 50%?

[@daniellewis4154]

No. Thanos was a egotistical man who lacked empathy

[@Default-gf4zf]

​@@daniellewis4154 Thanos was right

[@Snowqueenelsaofficial992]

​@@daniellewis4154Thanos was right but keep on coping.

[@jaykin4927]

Marvel wasn’t smart Would have done adventures of the survivors of the snap to figure out how to undo what happen. Marvel was thinking cash and not shear great new and old comics .

[@NadeemShekh-uy9zn]

Im still a fan of Marvel

[@datruliverking]

Their biggest mistake was thinking we needed tv shows

[@toshtao1]

Bob Chapek says hi.

[@hellydavidson7598]

The excessive number of newly introduced characters is not only boring but confusing. To summarize this into a plot like direction "endgame": Unimaginable.

[@Nobodysurvivesevenonebit]

How the hell it's 5 years ago.

[@yashwanthc1642]

Who all really thought that it was gonna re release again... But it didn't... 😭😭😭😭

[@serrothrotciv4244]

Yeah it really did end there

[@akshayhn8046]

The biggest surprises are Villain's victory and favorite heros dissappearing one by one Infinity war > Endgame

[@akenproductions9945]

Genuinely asking, if Infinity War and Endgame take place in 2019 and with the five-year time jump post blip does that mean their whole time heist in Endgame is happening now?

[@dazzaboy04]

It.....was......inevitable

[@captaineri.223]

The superb nerf of the MCU Teams after the blip is everlasting and detrimental.

[@nukers1234]

The biggest problem with Disney and Endgame was that they wouldn't let the dustet heroes be dustet, because they killed of the biggest ones in the first place

[@Hellsing7747]

100% disagree. The time jump is not the mistake. The problem was the bad writing.

[@jedjensen7974]

That's....what they're arguing. They said the five year time jump wrote them into a corner where bad writing was more likely.

[@daniellewis4154]

How can you tell the writing was bad?

[@shanecadden5303]

Not confronting the world post endgame huge problem.

[@Se777enthLevel]

Can they make movies that will top EndGame?...Yes! Don't forget Marvel Vs DC era, and other eras, it doesn't have to be chronological order to make a great movie unless they're hell bent on telling a story with the movies coming forward

[@lilnutty6821]

Do you know that these aren't real movies? They're for kids and dumb adults

[@kenchi27]

they shouldn't had shortchanged their writers and FX team

[@tordb]

Time Travel in movies equals lazy writing.

[@captaineri.223]

Phases 4-6 serve no purpose beyond temptation...

[@Snowqueenelsaofficial992]

Not even that

[@mr_bluegreen2214]

Avengers doomed the world by saving it.

[@daniellewis4154]

Untrue. Did you want Thanos to get away with murdering trillions scot free? Did you want the snap to never be reversed? You can’t always get what you want from the MCU

[@dianondhead350]

they should ended this storyline then, and made the "ultimate saga" based on the ultimate universe

[@keijijohnson9754]

Quite a contradictory mistake on your end titling this as one yet the thumbnail says otherwise. 😑

[@falkon7832]

It made a billion dollars, you cant change it, its five years old, go find something new.

[@G1Grimlock94]

5 years later after the blip

[@korruptwisdom8688]

Always thought nick fury shouldve been the start of the post endgame story. Rebuilding avengers more grounded

[@ybc7483]

Give Dr Doom his comic book treatment

[@Azooviemovie]

Deadpool gone put it right back on track!

[@GreggDafoe]

I'd be happy just to see someone, anyone, even a background NPC, ackknowledge the moon-size robot sticking halfway out of the planet...

[@justarandomguy930]

All the mcu has to do is, stop joking so much with lame jokes every second they get, let emotional moment's hit and, don't play it off with joking.

[@MyLeg.]

It’s like they’re scared of taking themselves too serious lmao

[@daniellewis4154]

So you want the MCU to be all moody and gloomy all the time like a typical Batman film?

[@justarandomguy930]

@@daniellewis4154 no even the dark kight trilogy had funny moments, but when things got serious there were no force jokes, especially in life death situation.

[@seiaghen]

5 years later / centuries later :D

[@sulekhasonkar5141]

Give A Kevin Feige Script to Visionaries like The Russos And Snyder and they can bring glory back to MCU

[@daniellewis4154]

Stop acting like a perfectionists you can’t always get what you want from the MCU. These directors have other projects to do

[@the5starx]

"Biggest Mistake" is most def a stretch

[@adam2797]

The biggest was mistake was to use time travel to resolve the problem. It’s always an easy out when writers have backed themselves into a corner

[@captaineri.223]

Tf do still feel the effects of a fictional comic book convention movie.

[@Adarsh1.0___]

5 Years Later

[@Lykins23]

If people could quit talking with this cadence and tone, etc. all the time that’d be great…

[@Locii97]

No it ain't. Stop it

[@Hellsing7747]

Here we go again. After GOT,Marvel. IGN needs views lol

[@kckraves3947]

Damn Dogg...

[@Mega0re0]

It does not take a 10 min video to say, BAD WRITING.

[@Alex-pj8nz]

Because they tried to pass the message after End Game which most hate.

[@WRDend]

No they just gave women and people of color more screen time. That's what you hate.

[@WRDend]

The Captain America movies had more of a message than The Marvels.

[@_Cetarial]

We get it, you don't like the opposite gender.

[@daniellewis4154]

Most hate? Endgame is not universally hated

[@toshtao1]

.

[@zewelanjimutembo3659]

They should have just rebooted

[@asad973]

Ya you gave it 9.5/10

[@Irrevenant_]

Did he? Pretty sure this guy wasn't the reviewer for Endgame.

[@jibril2473]

They should’ve stuck to the original 1991 Jim Starlin Infinity Saga story arc.

[@jortega1990]

That wud have been dumb as hell. That story isn't rlly all that great either.

[@OneHipNinja]

Infinity war was the peak, and the descent actually started with Endgame, not after.

[@vibesshothard7943]

consume product and be excited for the next product and yea don't ask questions

[@Draw2quit]

Everyone looks at and blames the 5 year time jump whilst "the message" sneaks off into the shadows.

[@Snowqueenelsaofficial992]

It was both tbf

[@steli7906]

This video makes no sense....the only issues with marvel post endgame is the glut of content and the wokeness overload

[@Bulletin-mf2dy]

Agreed, the MCU should have had the original Avengers killed off in the snap and the Infinity Stones car it throughout the galaxy. The the new characters should have spent an entire phase searching and fighting over the infinity stones. Then it would have ended with the new avengers bringing back the original avengers to defeat Thanos in the final film.

[@daniellewis4154]

Why are you all badmouthing and disrespecting endgame? What did you want from the MCU? Dis you want Thanos to get away with his atrocities scot free?

[@julianlaing2514]

deadpool & wolverine gone solve all these problems

[@uss_cushing]

No killing off characters like Iron Man and Captain America was the mistake. Not the time jump.

[@daniellewis4154]

Captain America was never killed off.

[@WRDend]

No that was a great finale for both characters. Following up Endgame with a random Iron Man adventure would invalidate the weight of Infinity War+Endgame

[@uss_cushing]

@@daniellewis4154 The character was killed off the moment he became old Captain America. Disney marvel destroyed their franchise with that idiotic decision.

[@uss_cushing]

@@WRDend At the time yes now monumental mistake.

[@daniellewis4154]

USS, we saw Steve Roger’s alive as an elderly man. They did not kill him off. That is now how killing off a character works. What did you want from endgame?

[@Raygaming569]

As now Marvel lots its popularity , at this time if DC uses this time and makes zack snyder justice league movies 2, 3 to be released then it will be surely a most popular one at this time even many Marvel Fans will be changed as DC Fans . But the worry is WB and DC are not using the correct time and correct head to lead the way to success

[@ybc7483]

CGI is 😡

[@daniellewis4154]

That is a bias. You believe that all movies that use cgi are bad

[@MrYadiy]

Should hv taken a break after Infinity War. Endgame felt rush.

[@drcolwell]

Bro we are talking about super heroes logic was out the door long ago

[@parsman9914]

You don't get to criticize anything or anyone, IGN.

[@AM-uk7jv]

What's up with IGN having Kotaku-like opinions lately?

[@JonathanCarlosGamerOfficial]

This is what I’ve been telling my friends, that after Endgame, Marvel hasn’t been the same anymore… 🥺

[@daniellewis4154]

So you think you own the MCU? Don’t force your friends to hate the films after endgame

[@ahmedmo429]

1st

[@ahmedmo429]

marvel now is just about agendas

[@_Cetarial]

"Now", he says.

[@daniellewis4154]

What agendas? What did you want from the MCU?

[@benjifinn]

Instead of making Chris Evans old, the old captain America should have been revealed to be Stan Lee

[@daniellewis4154]

Not possible

[@lilnutty6821]

Still curious how grown adults like this crap. Please enlighten me...

[@maximummaxiness9958]

Still curious how dumb phucks like yourself can’t understand that everyone has different likes and dislikes. Please enlighten me…

[@MrRushhour4]

Its fun

[@_Cetarial]

The same reason why grown adults like Pokémon.

[@hazman5528]

Strong character driven / well made stories. That’s why. Only crap here is your laughable opinion.

[@lilnutty6821]

@@_Cetarial why is that? Genuine question :)

[@Se777enthLevel]

True Marvel fans know super heroes can die and return

[@kquniverse]

Deadpool will be Marvel Jesus- when the drop Deadpool kills the mcu comes out lol

[@user-wf9vv8xn5e]

5 years latter it’s still a disappointing overrated movie

[@GuilhermeSouza-dp1sf]

5 years later there are a lot of People spitting on the plate they eaten lol

[@Y3yo1993]

​@GuilhermeSouza-dp1sf it really wasn't that great, until the final battle is just a whole snooze fest. Time travel killed this film, and I'm pretty sure there are many that agree that Infinity War was way better than Endgame.

[@daniellewis4154]

Y3. Time travel did not kill the film. Endgame tried to do something new with it by incorporating the heist genre. Did you want Thanos to get away with his snap? Did you want the snap to never, ever be reversed. Please stop badmouthing endgame

[@nickess8025]

IGN repeatedly makes the dumbest, most unnecessary points

[@JaySweetZ]

Endgame is still one of the worst movies in the mcu. Age of ultron was the best, despite its changes from the comics

[@TheRealMvV]

Hard disagree lol

[@StickyFingerss]

U tripping

[@daniellewis4154]

Jawsweetz why do you hate endgame?

[@hiphopsince81]

Hard troll

[@lightspeed2014]

They're trying to make side characters look like the main ones

[@Ballistic-vn6em]

Which is exactly what they did with Iron Man and Cap... and it worked.