6.5 Creedmoor or 7mm Remington Magnum for Africa?

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[@GeorgeSemel]

The Barrel burning argument does not wash with me. The second rifle I bought with my own money was a Remington 700 BDL in 7mm RM. I pretty much had it set up with a fixed 4x Leupold and I did have a bedding job done along with some trigger work. In the 50 years that I had the rifle, I never come close to shooting the barrel out. So even if that is the case, it doesn't take much to have a new barrel chambered and installed.

[@johnkendall6962]

The 6.5 Creedmore is the new shiny. In truth there are plenty of older rounds that are as good on game if not better then it. Where the Creedmore shines is what it was meant to do in the first place. Target shooting at long but known distances. It's long for caliber, heavy bullets carry their velocity really well but don't have much to begin with. If you are shooting lighter bullets it's just an under loaded 260 Remington. I'm with you for hunting I wouldn't trade my 7 mm Mag any time soon. Same goes for my 30-06 It'll kill game farther than 99% of us have a business shooting.

[@TeensierPython]

Burning out the barrel is all about acceptable accuracy. Obviously you haven’t burned out your barrel to your standards. It is probably well within minute of deer. I also doubt you are shooting quickly enough or enough rounds to get serious erosion. However, someone who shoots long strings of fire at 1000yds may burn out a 6.5-284 in a thousand rounds. That barrel may still shoot 1/2 moa which is probably not good enough to win a match.

[@TeensierPython]

I do agree with changing the barrel out. It isn’t a huge cost and can keep a beloved rifle shooting for years to come!

[@gonorrheadischarges3021]

@@TeensierPython ha!

[@hillbillyscholar8126]

I am betting your original M700 has an iron plated stainless barrel that was blued. Remingtton did that on their 7mm Magnums for years. If you hunt big game with it to the exclusion to all others I doubt you will ever wear it out.

[@davidandre886]

Don’t need to watch the video. 7 mag duh! But I’ll watch cause Ron is the man

[@guywhosleepallday8194]

No doubt. I'll take the 7mag over the 6.5 anyday of the week.

[@terryadams4598]

Benn hunting with the 7mm Remington mag since 1993 in a BDL rifle with a fixed 6 power scope on roadbeds,cutovers and power lines and have never had to shoot twice . I’ve always used Nosler 150 grain ballistic tips to shoot deer at 15 yards to infinity. I currently use a 308 to hunt in the places where I have shorter shots but if it’s a place where long range shot might present itself I’ll grab my 7 Great video

[@uprebel5150]

Same year as my ADL.

[@youngin881]

Wow, same year I got my 1st 7rm as well and my go to round is also the 150 gr ballistic tip.

[@ChristopherEDenton]

Covey is one of the prettiest and most fun dogs I've laid eyes on, obviously i haven't hunted with her. I'd love to see what she would do in South Dakota farmland. Why not do a you tube on her, there!

[@WayStedYou]

Sounds like his friends are misinformed

[@billyrosenbaum968]

Ron I'm a small body fellow. 5'4" and 130 on a good day. I usually use my 300 win mag but my 7 mag is my little gun. Hunt with what makes you happy not someone else.

[@paulsimmons5726]

7mm Remington all day long! If you're shooting at larger plains game animals, the heavier 7Remmie is the more logical choice. Yeah, go with the 7mm Remmie! Spots!

[@ptm4view]

"You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; You should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong." - Bob Hagel, Author and gun writer. 7mm RM wins for me out of the calibres mentioned...

[@hillbillyscholar8126]

Sounds like good advice.

[@davidderr2662]

Bob Hagel knows from where he speaketh. RIP Mr. Hagel.

[@BigT27295]

Wise words..

[@CorePathway]

When everything goes wrong the gun blew up in your face and killed your best friend.

[@sauerkrautjr]

Using overkill to compensate for bad shooting is unethical. As is undergunning.

[@derekedgley5074]

7mm REM Mag 175g no contest. It nearly covers all scenarios. Walk softly and carry a bigger stick.

[@twolak1972]

Yup. Totally agree, used to use 175 ,s exclusively with awesome results , ran out and got a super deal on some swift 150 gr scirrocco leads and since then they,ve been my load for everything. Behind 66 grs of IMR 4350 they're stepping out at around 3300 fps. Anything I've shot with them never knew what hit em.

[@vitaly6312]

6.5 CM is a great cartridge for everything up to Elk (probably out to 350 yards for elk anyway). But there really isn’t any point in downgrading from a 7RM to a 6.5 CM. And if you’re looking for justification to buy another gun? You don’t need justification. Go buy another gun :-)

[@williambarnes4612]

Can’t argue with 7mm Remington magnum it is a great cartridge period

[@Anschutz270]

How the video should have gone. Ron: Hey Covey, wanna go outside? Covey: Wags tail Ron: 7 Rem Mag Cut Scene.

[@januswestraat2104]

For once I agree with you 100%. He is going to loose too much if he has to sell the one rifle and buy another. The rem mag is a superb caliber for longer distances and bigger game. If you have the money, buy a 308 or a 6.5 for the smaller game. I live in South Africa and hunt with a 308, I make very sure of my shots when it comes to eland, and only close shots...

[@mattokeefe691]

You can tell a lot about a person by how they treat and interact with their dog. I believe you are good people Ron

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks Matt. I try to be. But I do let Covey walk all over me!

[@williammcclelland6789]

@@RonSpomerOutdoors Thats O.K. Ron. I find that they leave this earth far sooner than I am willing to let them go. I have often been accused of spoiling my dogs, but, as a smart man once said, a dog is the only creature on earth that will love you more than it will love itself.

[@onealjones9039]

Me too. Purdy fur ball too!

[@butchhaight]

@@williammcclelland6789 lol...all dogs go to heaven so we will get to play with them again.

[@mcrock231]

What happens when the camera is off?😬😅

[@gizmocarr3093]

I would say having used one for a time the 7mm is as good as the others. One reason not to change is the confidence you have with your rifle from using it. The choice I might make is buying 280 Remington that makes for a little lighter rifle but is very close to 7mm mag performance. They shoot well with 160gr bullets and lighter ones too. I never tried 175gr bullets but, never saw the need for them. However; Africa is whole different place from hunting in America. A one rifle hunter often knows their rifle better than one who has a gun case full different ones. ✨🤠✨

[@TakeDeadAim]

My primary big game rifle is my 280Rem. Go to load is using a 160gr Nosler Partition over 54gr of IMR 4350. Puts me within 200fps of the 7mag but less powder and less recoil. Taken many deer and elk with it.

[@Win70ew]

I own both calibers and I fine myself reaching for the .280 Remington more often.

[@ChristopherEDenton]

I'd say a .280, 280 A-I, or even my sweet little 7mm-08, with 1/8.5 twist all would do well, I've not shot a 7mm Rem. Mag. But if you like it then why switch?

[@phild9813]

Keep the 7 and buy another rifle in 308 or other. Shoot both depending on the scenario and how you feel that day. Never can have too many firearms.

[@davep2945]

Sowed the seeds of doubt, but you don't have to water them. Brilliant quote, Ron. Too often we give up a good thing simply because others said we should. In the world of hunting people get attached to their pet rounds and will say anything to get others to agree that their pet is the best there is simply because it's an ego boost. But often times they are just squawking about what they know and wouldn't understand if they were actually the ones missing out or not because they never bother to do any research. Around my neck of the woods it's a generational bias. If grand daddy and daddy used it then it must be the best thing to use. These guys never stop to consider that grand daddy and daddy may have had to use what they had available and would have gladly tried something else if they had access. None of the rounds this fella's friends use are superior in any meaningful way. Nor are any of them inferiors in normal situations. Just different. But when you have to resort to garbage arguments like barrel life you know someone is reaching. Or when the reloading argument is brought up in a crowd of guys who don't reload. Keep using your 7MM young man for there is no such thing as the perfect cartridge just variations on a theme. The number of rounds that fall within a ten percent power, range and recoil spectrum of each other in any given caliber is mind boggling.

[@62-62]

I agree with you on the best choice of the 7mm REM Mag.

[@jayfry905]

I’m a big 338win mag fan but I have to admit the 7mm rem mag is probably the best all around cartridge and light recoil compared to all the other magnums.And if you could choose between a corvette or a Prius I bet you would pick the corvette. Screw the efficient creedmoor

[@jaydunbar7538]

Depends on what I'm picking it for, fun weekend vehicle or is it for work commute? I use a 10-22 ruger the majority of time do to its cost efficient plinking, my 270 see maybe half a box a year. Shoot a few groups to make sure its still on, then out to the woods to fill the freezer.

[@twolak1972]

The whole thing with the creedmoor is IT,S A PAPER PUNCHER, VERIFIED RANGES, VERIFIED WIND AND RANGE CONDITIONS , BULLET DROP COMPENSATING SCOPES AND ALL THAT BS. Paper does,nt crawl off and die slowly suffering from some moron who opened up on it 700 yes away HOPING FOR A HIT. My 700 Bdl 7mm mag which I have had for 30 years is topped with a 4 power redfield Lo Pro widefield and I know that gun and the 2 loads I shoot like Einstein knew the theory of relativity. Zeroed at 3 inches high at 100 it is good with either 150 or 175 gr bullets out to 500 yds, though I would try to stalk closer. If I could,nt get closer a top of the back hold will get you backstraps for supper without all the fancy gadgets the creedmoor stooges rely on.

[@tacman2893]

Keep the 7mm REM Mag. If I could only have one rifle in a “conventional” cartridge (meaning not a Weatherby) then I would go 7mm Remington Mag. Flat shooting, lots of power and can get it pretty much anywhere. Winner winner chicken dinner in my book!

[@johnganshow5536]

Really? That's a no brainer, 7mm mag is much more versatile...

[@thomasschrein7584]

I’ve never thought of the 7mag as being particularly hard on barrels. Owned one for years accuracy was never an issue for me.

[@404nitro]

Ain't nothing like a good dog!

[@darkazion]

Mr. Spomer, is the video on 9.3x62 coming soon? Greetings from Austria!

[@martinstiastny7679]

There is really no need to talk about the 9.3x62. It's an old cartridge (predates the 30/06). No belt, not on a 404 case, not a cartridge you'd use for a 900 yard shot on an elk (remember when game was spotted and the hunter planned a stalk ?). John "Pondro" Taylor had a lot of respect for the cartridge. Gun writers today write about what's new. Seriously, if that wasn't the case, the old 6.5x55 would be used more often. The 30/06, when properly loaded, is capable of taking EVERY game animal on earth. In fact, Eleanor O'Connor took an elephant with her rifle and a tiger. Only old farts like us hunt with the 9.3x62 (and never lost a game animal).

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Expecting the rifle and ammo any day now...

[@martinstiastny7679]

@@RonSpomerOutdoors I'll certainly be looking forward to it

[@johnmollet2637]

@@RonSpomerOutdoors Great! I always wanted to see someone showcase that cartridge. I understand from the writings of John Barsness that it's a great medium bore. Really looking forward to it.

[@pietermalan5450]

Awesome can’t wait !!!

[@martinetti123]

Yes, 9,3x62! Thx!

[@csjrogerson2377]

Hi Ron, I couldn't refute a single word you said. I use a 30-06 180gr and that's pretty comparable with 7mmRM out to the ranges I hunt - covers almost all game. If I were to hunt bigger game I'd go 375 H&H and for smaller I'd go 243, although the 243 at short ranges in the bushveld does turn the front shoulders into red jelly. My shooting partner handloads a 270 with 150gr RNs at 2250 fps for small stuff at short range (

[@williammcclelland6789]

Agreed. No matter how you slice and dice it, it is just hard to beat the 30-06 with 180 grain bullets.

[@talisikid1618]

@@williammcclelland6789 it’s easy to beat that. Nothing special about a caliber that was born out of military comprise between 7mm & 8mm for use in machine guns. 30/06 has become the universal bubba round. Too bad. There are many good calibers out there. 280rem/280AI/7mm mag will shoot as flat or flatter than a 270 win & hit as hard or harder than 30/06. No reason for either of those two over hyped cartridges. And don’t bs about how many animals were harvested with them. Just a function of the marketing hype that fueled them. There are dozens of calibers that can do the same. Bullet design & skill set are more important.

[@williammcclelland6789]

@@talisikid1618 True that. For my style of hunting, the .35 Whelen is my preferred round. But if a man wants to keep it simple with all around rig and if he chooses the 30-06 loaded with 180 grainers, I am not going to fault him for his choice.

[@butchhaight]

I hunted with an old ‘06 ever since I was 14. (Years ago). I have taken game from elk on down using just 150 gr core lokt’s. My dad taught me early on “one shot, one kill”. I have never lost an animal. Quite a few I let go because I didn’t feel I could make a clean kill. I love my Ruger M77 7 mag though. I’ve had it since 1976.

[@afroliciouspresents3603]

@@williammcclelland6789 A hundred years ago, the British were probably raving about what an amazing, all round cartridge the .303 was. Just as German colonists no doubt couldn't speak highly enough about the 7 or 8mm Mauser offerings. Same with Americans and the 30-06, or Scandinavians shooting elk with a 6.5x55. None of these cartridges is ideal or specifically designed for hunting large animals. They happened to be the easiest ammunition to acquire, due to volume, that's all. Taking into account acceptable recoil for most people, therefore likelihood of shooting accurately and repeatedly, along with moderate pressure, long barrel life and a versatility which transalates to ease of finding factory ammunition or handloading, legality (in Africa, especially), along with a 110 year pedigree to support its ability to harvest any game on earth, with style, grace and a vodka martini waiting for it in the cabinet..... The .375 Holland & Holland Belted, Rimless, Magnum.

[@NomadicHacker.]

I was considering a 7mag but I have an 30-06 and within 300 can’t see the benefit particularly on mid sized game ( the white tail will be just as dead) but If I did not already behave the 06 and I wanted an all around big game rifle 7mm mag all day

[@TexanUSMC8089]

That's true. It all comes down to what you're hunting and where. If you're hunting whitetail in most of the eastern half of the USA, a 30-30 will kill a deer just as well as a 30-06. Most shots will be less than 150 yards. As you go west, that changes quickly though. If your shots are 200+ yards and the wind is blowing 20+mph...You need more aerodynamic bullets with more velocity. If I'm hunting pronghorn in Wyoming I'd take a 6.5PRC over a 30-06.

[@talisikid1618]

Thing is the 7 mag is much flatter shooting.

[@Kmecha84]

@@talisikid1618 everybody gets twisted up on how flat a cartridge shoots

[@fedup3582]

@@TexanUSMC8089 i took literally dozens of antelope in Wyoming over the past 15 years (legally), with some 35 different calibers. The 44 magnum, 25-35, 45-70, 450-400 NE, worked just as well as a 7mm rem mag, 270 WSM, and other similar cartridges. In fact, one of the most effective cartridges was a 30-30 in a 94 rifle. The "slower " cartridges are often even more fun to hunt with.

[@rockie307]

There's no benefit inside of 300 yards. A 30-06 will kill just as fast and do it with a shorter barrel, lighter rifle, cheaper ammo and 25% more mag capacity. If you regularly shoot past 300 step up to one of the 300 mags. It all depends on where and how you hunt. It's more about the hunter than the cartridge or rifle. If your goal is speed and flat shooting skip the 30-06 7mm mag ect and go for one of the weatherby, nosler, or ultra mags. If hunting big game in bear country most recommend a 30 caliber or larger just to be safe.

[@dbeardsley0]

Personally don't have a 7mm in my collection currently, 28 Nossler might be a future purchase. But my 300 win mag has never failed in dropping what I shoot at with it

[@Nick-sx6jm]

I would recommend a 28 nosler its an absolute laser and actually out performs the 300 wm at all distances with 162-175 gr bullets. I have taken deer and bear with it past 300 yards with a 162 elx and they go down like they were struck with lightning. Look into the savage 110 ultralite I think its really good value for money and mine shoots .5 moa. Would recommend getting a brake for it though its a sub 6 pound rifle and a stout cartridge.

[@dbeardsley0]

@@Nick-sx6jm Ill keep that in mind.. Was already thinking a savage high country or Bergara Approach in the 28

[@Nick-sx6jm]

@@dbeardsley0 If you plan to shoot the heavier bullets which is kind of the point with the 28 then the savage route would be better because of the twist rates. The savage has a 1:8.4 twist and the bergara has a slower 1:9.5 so the faster twist is going to stabilize those heavier bullets and probably be more accurate.

[@thisismagacountry1318]

@@Nick-sx6jm Thanks, that's good information.

[@DakotaDinwoodie]

if the guy was buying a rifle, theres something to be said for the 6.5. but to get rid of a 7mm mag for it? not worth it.

[@matthewm9159]

I think 6.5 doesn't really have an advantage for anything, you could buy a 308 or a 7mm08 and have a faster bullet with a heavier round with the same recoil with more foot pounds of energy

[@DakotaDinwoodie]

My 6.5 creedmoor uses less powder, and has significantly less recoil than a 308. not to mention anywhere beyond about 350 yards, my 142gr will carry more energy and have far better penetration than a 168gr 308. closer distances, the difference will be negligible. the 7mm mag does have a significant advantage over the 308 and 300 win mag with the higher BC bullets, but it still burns a full third more powder than my creedmoor. barrel life isnt a huge deal to me but recoil sure is. doubling my recoil for 15% more energy at close range isnt worth it to me (170rds/pound vs

[@matthewm9159]

@@DakotaDinwoodie I'm 15 and I shoot a 300 win mag. Recoil isn't a problem for 7mm mag

[@DakotaDinwoodie]

@@matthewm9159 0.2 moa@300yds like my creedmoor, or? im talking physics and efficiency, not who's tougher. maybe when you're buying your own barrels and powder you'll have a different opinion.

[@matthewm9159]

@@DakotaDinwoodie ok maybe the 6.5 retains a higher percent of energy that it has but a 7mm mag or 300 win mag is still going to have way more energy down range

[@kentgoldings]

I want a Ruger M77 in 7 REM MAG. But, I have an M77 Hawkeye in 6.5 PRC. So, I’m not sure I’ll ever need one.

[@jasonsimone3523]

7 over 6.5 of course. No brainer. But the standard old tried and true 30/06 will work just fine. Cheaper ammo, more available and less recoil too.

[@rodneyhickman825]

Inside 400 yards 30/06 and 7mm and almost identical. And like you said more available ammo .

[@robertfree1908]

I’m a died-in-the-wool 270 fan. But I have to admit the only thing that would make me deviate from the 7mag for this situation(assuming no handloading) is and factory load for 308 launching the 150 tsx at a respectable speed. Or a 30-06 with the same bullet in 168gr weight. A writer who’s opinion carries(carried. He passed away some years ago) a lot of weight for me came to the conclusion the 308 loaded with a GAME APPROPRIATE 150gr will do anything for you short of the dangerous stuff. The writer is/was Finn Aagard. Professional hunter with a long career in Kenya. Moved to my home state of Texas when Kenya banned hunting. Something to think about

[@TexanUSMC8089]

I have never been to a gun store to buy ammo and they had 30-06 and didn't have 7 rem mag ammo. A 30-06 with 165gr bullet will not have the energy of a 7 rem mag with a 162gr. Not at any distance. That's just a fact. It's like says an F150 can carry as much weight as an F250 or F350.

[@terrymcclendon2277]

corey you dont need this dick weed spimer to answer your question 3006 ir 7mm rem mag all the way ! craig boddington will answer this question without tequnicallity the guru of gun writers!!!

[@robertfree1908]

Terry, where’s your video comparing the 7mag to the 30-06 in a completely objective light? Thought so. What’s the matter? Afraid somebody will call you a dick weed?

[@doghousedon1]

Your idea of keeping the 7 Mag and getting a 243 is brilliant!!!!

[@stephaniethomasson8812]

I have 6.5 creedmoor. I shoot it. I like the round just fine. But I definitely wouldn’t go for anything in Africa larger than a dikdkik with the creedmor. You’re always better off with a magnum…. Of course the barrel efficiency is better, it’s cheaper, and it hurts less with the creedmoor… But dang… how many shots SHOULD it take to get down game? Two maximum. If it takes more and you’re burning up barrels, you’re a bad shot and an unethical hunter…..

[@andrewlake3148]

Don’t normally comment on hunting caliber topics cause it’s always one guys opinion vs another guys opinion but I feel suitably qualified to comment on this topic..why??well cause just like Cory I live in South Africa and have been hunting for the last 20 years with a 7mm Remington magnum..I also own and hunt with a .308win and a 6.5 Creedmoor and a few other calibers(yes I know I have a problem)I can honestly say that all these calibers have their own wheelhouse and can be used reliably on a large variety of species in South Africa providing you take the time to become proficient at shooting them..would I attempt to shoot an Eland with a 6.5? No I would not..would I hunt an Eland with my .308 with a well constructed bullet at reasonable hunting range? Absolutely yes..The most wounded animals I have seen with my own eyes while hunting have been attributed to poor shot placement and not shortcomings of a particular caliber…having said that the large majority of hunting outfitters and landowners would discourage you from hunting with incorrect calibers for your chosen species as well as the fact that in the province that I live in our department of agriculture forestry and fisheries released an annual hunting proclamation that dictates minimum required calibers for different species..having said all that if I was put on the spot and had to make a choice which one I would take to hunt for the next 20 years it would probably be the 7mm Rem…I’ve got a soft spot for it..p.s Ron love the videos 👍🏻

[@boermetroer1714]

To re-barrel a rifle in South Africa is not easy, it takes a minimum of 6 months and more likely at least a year. Finding ammo for a 7mm Rem Mag is also a lot more difficult than for a 308 or 30-06. A 7x64 in SA is a much better option here. Buying a second rifle to target shoot means buying another scope & mounts. Depending on budget there are three options, keep the 7mm for hunting and buy something else for target shooting or just hunt and don't do a lot of target shooting or sell the 7mm and get a 30-06 or 7x64. I am a big fan of 7mm's but in SA a .30 cal makes more sense for ammo availability and finding rifles in those chamberings.

[@abesvenom6573]

I own most of them and 7mmRUM is all day caliber. If you like the 300win then you should defiantly love the 7mm I love that round. I think his friends are just showing off with their 6.5creed since it’s a fairly new caliper I own plenty 6.5s but like Ron said if you face that huge game you really need the 7mm one shot one kill instead of fooling around with few shots of 6.5 Creed to put the game down now unless you are a professional and you put that 6.5 creed in between the eyes every time then I would assume you will be happy with the 6.5 Creed who doesn’t want less recoil on their shoulder?

[@louisknipe3679]

Hi Ron I live in RSA, happen to shoot mostly bigger game such as oryx, kudu and eland. My priced rifle is a 7x64 Brenecke. That Corrie should not let go of his 7mm, it's the best!! I completely agree with you - perhaps go train with a .308/6.5 Creedmore, but never compromise on oomph!!! The 7mm has it all...!!! Louis

[@John_3.16]

You are the Bobby Ross of the rifle world. You converted me with your video about 7mm being the best all around cartridge. I was going to pick up a 270 but now I’m going with the 7mm Weatherby Mark V.

[@kryos0627]

I hear ya, I'm in the same boat. Always used a 270 and now looking for something larger like a 7mm rem mag.

[@nicholasbarcomb2324]

Not a magnum cartridge fan myself. But, if it works for you and it ain't broke................. 😁😁😁 Good luck and stay safe!

[@hillbillyscholar8126]

I was never a magnum cartridge fan either but it has a way of creeping up on you as opportunities to shoot longer ranges and at bigger game present themselves. I have quite an assortment of big game rifles but the 7mm Remington Magnum has a place in there. It has grown on me to the point that I would be just as happy shooting one as my beloved .30-06.

[@brianmiller1580]

7mm Rem mag! Easy choice

[@gwp1ohio]

.308

[@VitoBb1978]

The 7MM Rem Mag with a 160 Gr soft point is also good medicine for most animals not including the Big 5 .

[@thisismagacountry1318]

Grizzlies and Polar Bears or no?

[@VitoBb1978]

I’ve been told of the 7MM Rem Mag taking the big bears, For that application it seems a 338 Winchester Magnum or a 375 Holland & Holland would be better choices.

[@twolak1972]

@@thisismagacountry1318 If your not smelling the bears breath yeah. Otherwise I'm taking a 340.weatherby with 215 gr nosler partitions.

[@Frog13799]

I think the 7mm wins this one as certainly in certain areas in South Africa and Namibia the 6.5 is technically illegal for plains game by gazetted hunting regulations

[@artemis4661]

I'm for the "spots". Get him some more camera time, Ron!

[@talisikid1618]

Spots? Like leopards?

[@406MountainMan]

6.5 Needmore vs 7mm rem mag is laughable at best. Keep dreaming, kids!

[@johnmollet2637]

LOL Needmore, that's great! Mind if I pilfer it?

[@TexanUSMC8089]

My number one rule is, just because you want to try a new rifle and cartridge, that doesn't mean you have to get rid of your old rifle.

[@jeffreylocke8808]

Black and white spots on that wonderful canine companion for certain. And as to 7mm Remington Magnum as to all around for Africa or anywhere in the world? I agree with you on that also.

[@guardianminifarm8005]

Well done. I have been a 7 Rem Mag proponent since the 80s. My first big game rifle was a 7 Rem Mag. My most recent hunting rifle is a 7 Rem Mag.

[@tubbyshvfd9110]

Large tough animals, I would put the 6.5 on the minimal end of things….I prefer the 300 win but everyone has their own thoughts . Like the spots btw

[@mdd1963]

The 7mm Rem Mag can be downloaded to 7mm-08 or .280 Remington levels of power; the 6.5 Creedmoor will never match the 7mm Rem Mag at the top end. This should not even be a real debate :) (It's akin to choosing .300 Win Mag vs. the .308 WIn)

[@twolak1972]

If you,re gonna load a 7 mag down just get the 280. The extra case capacity is why it's a MAGNUM. Why have it if you can,t use it.

[@mdd1963]

@@twolak1972 Those who feel every cartridge must be loaded to max are free to do so.

[@davidlafaber2269]

I would keep 7mm Rem Mag & never look back... Wicked cartridge! Belted Magnum. Considering all the variables... Stick with what ya got. I've always had faith in it. Very flat shooting. Agree with Ron for most part. 👍

[@indydurtdigger2867]

The 7mm Rem Mag is one of my favorites, had several over the years but currently without one sadly. One thing I haven't seen in the comments regarding the 6.5 Creed is barrel life. I have one that I handload for and after doing research on it I was shocked to find out that the bullets required to make it the "darling" it's made out to be have stupid long bearing surfaces that wear out barrels giving it short barrel life. In some cases sub 3000 rounds making it more of a "barrel burner" than the magnums that have that stigma attached to them. However someone that handloads can negate that easily depending on what they want or need it to do. Keep your tried and true 7mm and if you can pick up a good 308 to supplement, they can have a barrel life of 5-10k rounds without having to do anything special to get them there.

[@jackrussell9744]

I think people need to feel justified in the choices they make so they try to convince those around them to make the same choice. Data tells the story.

[@davidteague5461]

Very good info. Great video. I have a 7mm mag and just about all the other cal. U mention. I agree they all have a place.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks David.

[@sha6mm]

Great Advice Ron the advice of getting a second rifle makes the most sense. Why I don’t care what it is things break and it’s nice to have a spare. The advice of loading down a 7mm Rem Mag is great advice also. Now for the Dog yea I would go for the spots and have always liked a white dog in the uplands for the ease of seeing them in the tall grass.

[@michaelharvey588]

7mm mag for me all day long. 160 - 175gr bullets love my Browning A Bolt rifle.

[@chrissheathewoodguy]

I STILL kick my self for selling my 7mm rem mag... after a majior shoulder injuryi had given up on the thought of ever shooting it again... well after 3 years I'm back and improved.. eye's open on a good deal. luckly i never sold a lot of the ammo... saved a small fortune...

[@jungblud59]

7 mag all the way! I've got 2 rifles chambered in 7 mm mag, love the caliber! As far as dogs, I'm on my 4th black n white springer, excellent breed. Thanks for yet another great video Ron, keep up the great work!👍👍👍

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

I've had two black and white springers, too. Superb pheasant dogs. Thanks!

[@wallacesmith865]

Ron- I’d take your dog over the creed and the big 7!!! Great content!

[@gaerich1]

wouldn't trade my 7 mag for anything

[@chevyon37s]

Split the difference.. 6.5 PRC! Lol I’d suggest the guy keep his 7 Rem mag, and pickup an additional rifle! We all love to argue cost, and I find that hypocritical for the overwhelming majority of us as we all have multiple rifles, thousands in optics, and like you mentioned the thousands we spend in gas, food, and other gear to hunt... and guys want to nit pick ammo price... gimme a break!

[@remustrading]

split it even more.....6.8 Western......(: just kidding...(6.5+7)/2=6.75....about 6.8 mm....

[@diawaprolite7967]

Keep the 7mm mag , i own a .308 and 6.5 creedmore.

[@miketaylor6191]

Spots are friendlier and trainable. My vote is spots.

[@johnnysaechao6218]

I love my 7mm mag I load mine with Barnes 145 LRX and recoil is mild and very accurate!

[@trevorcoleman5]

I have both calibers and live here in SA. Both have exceptional points of value. But make no mistake, the rem Mag is a MUCH more versatile hunting caliber. If hand loading, there is no difference in ammo complements and availability. The Creedmoor ammo is cheaper - only marginally. But the 7mm Rem Mag in SA conditions - not even a doubt - a better hunting caliber.

[@trevorcoleman5]

Oh, and 1 more thing, the barrel life of the 6.5 CM shot at 2750/2800fps is about the same as the 7mm rem Mag. So that’s a poor argument.

[@robertfree1908]

I find it funny that Corey and his pals(assuming they live in South Africa as well) think cartridges like 7mm Rem Mag on down to “normal ones” are the ones to talk about. And they seem to know their cartridges of choice are fine for hunting where they live. Yet some of us commenting that don’t live there think they should use cartridges of greater power than 7mag. Interesting. I can see why tourists are often despised “behind the scenes”

[@luvtahandload7692]

Not a fan of the 6.5 Needmore. Big Seven, and spots, all the way.

[@hiltonbutlion3341]

Just about every PH ive hunted with in S.Africa has begged to buy my 7mm Rem Mag Sako. Tells you something.

[@luvtahandload7692]

@@hiltonbutlion3341 yes it does!

[@tararussell1115]

Black and white spots 100%

[@oldhunter1000]

The 7mm Rem Mag will kill ANNYTHING! that draws air on Planet Earth, Period! However there are better choices. I've killed most every game animal in North America and some Exotics. In my Old age I don't seem to handle the weight and recoil of my rifle as I did in my youth. I transitioned to a 22" bbl 270 Win and found that It worked well. Later I discovered a 20"bbl Rem 7/08 mm in a even lighter rifle. With proper marksmanship it kills as well as the old 7 mag. OBTW, a good hand loader could tailor that 7 mag to meet about any need. Just a OLD farts opinion!

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Old farts are bold farts. And usually quite sensible.

[@omni7phaty]

I know my comment is a little late, but I agree with the smaller, lighter gun for smaller game. I have a Remington 7mm mag and I like it because it shoots fast, flat, and hard. When my daughter was ready to hunt with me (Mule deer and elk) we decided on a 7mm-08 since we reload. I like the ballistics on the 7mm-08 and it does not beat up my daughter like the 7mm Mag might do.

[@nathanlambshead4778]

Good, solid advice. I am South African raised, and I totally agree. And all you have to do, with any gun, to extend barrel life when practicing, is not shoot rapidly. Take your time. Shoot small strings at a time ad let it cool in between, and I seriously doubt you will ever come close to burning it out.

[@TheElectrochemistry1]

I have both 6.5 creedmore and 7 rem mag.

[@laneh1968]

For a rug…like the stripes. For all other purposes… spots. Lol

[@COREYDEER]

Still like my 7 mag for elk and moose here in Canada. I find a good 160 grain does the trick nicely for moose even with a good bonded bullet but I don’t hunt in overly thick bush though. I went 7 over 30 cal because the big 30s are far over kill for deer where I can do everything with my 7 if I need a back up or second deer rifle like I do this year since a friend of mine will be using my 270 when we go after mule deer.

[@jeffreystuder6788]

The 7mm Remington mag should suffice. I’m a little bit biased I happen to love anything chambered in a 7mm bullet. I currently own a 7mm-08, 7x57 Mauser passed down to me from my grandpa,I also own a 28 nosler. Working on a 280 & 7mm Remington mag. Then I should have all the major cartridges covered.

[@64samsky]

If I could only have one rifle for everything, I'd pick a 7mm Magnum. You can load them with a 120 grain bullet all the way up to an awesome 175 grain, reach out and touch somebody round.

[@hillbillyscholar8126]

Hard to argue with you on that point.

[@richardcooper6050]

My primary hunting rifle since 1973 has been a Rem 700 ADL 7mm RM. I've shot a lot of different bullets over the yr's but have settled and stocked up on the 162 gr Hornady. I do have other calibers that get used and even own a 6.5 Swede so don't need the Creed. Oh and I'll take the spots also!

[@whitespacemarines4308]

I LOVE the way you think!

[@anamericanpatriot5230]

I have owned a 7 mag from the Remington custom shop for nearly 40 years and I found it in a pawn shop. Apparently an older gentleman had bought it shot it a few times got sick and passed willing it to a grandson who didn't want it and sold it to a pawn . I found it and it still looked factory new .stainless action and a 26" stainless barrel . This rifle is unbelievable and with the advent of the new bonded and all copper like the hammer bullets .this 7 has come into its own . Baybe 600 + rounds and still shoots dimes at a hundred , quarters at 300. I love it so much I built another custom 7 mag stainless all the way both rem model 700's The 7 mag is a treasure . I own many other calibers from 220 swift ,243, 7-08, 06, custon 300 win mag, custom 338 lapua . I love that 338 but my twin babies are my 7's

[@funkbro01]

Spots all the way! What a great dog.

[@thehoneybadger8089]

If it involves the 6.5 Creedmoor I won't even watch it. I am so sick of having that cartridge jammed down my throat at every turn.

[@DaBellyMan318]

Facts

[@robertfree1908]

I couldn’t agree more that its...um...astonishingly well covered. The only thing I have against it(and it’s not even the cartridge’s fault) is Hornady pairing with Ruger to make a.....TWENTY SIX INCH BARREL FOR THE 6.5 CREED!! I’m sure they did it to hype up the velocity. The thing about that that really gets under my skin is...WHY DIDN’T AT THAT TIME RUGER CHAMBER IT’S 264 WIN MAGS WITH 26” BARRELS INSTEAD OF 24S?!!

[@wallacesmith865]

I HEAR THAT!!!! It’s total BS and a whole lotta guys bought right in!!! I’ll take my 6.5-06 any day!!

[@operationNOBO]

6.5 is a Hipster round.

[@Rundu1987]

What the 6.5 Needmore crammed down your throaght?

[@ryanchaben47]

I run a 7mm rem mag for elk and moose. 6.5 creed for deer and antelope. Love the combo

[@sauerkrautjr]

This is the correct answer. People can't seem to wrap their heads around the idea that 6.5 Creedmoor is a great hunting cartridge when used within ethical distances on deer-sized game. That's if one's not a shill or a crusty old Fudd--with those people,, either it does everything or it's only good for punching paper. Nuance, people!

[@BipolarAyatollah]

Apples and oranges in my mind

[@msa4548]

The black and white spots wins! Covey is a beautiful dog. I'll take the 7mm RM over the Creedmoor any day.

[@bobbyrobbins9816]

I would take the 7mm-08 over the P.O.S creedmoor all day every day.

[@ericrumpel3105]

.....LMAO !!!!.........not even a comparison between the 2,.....but as far as "needing big for hunting",....hell-no - just like Spomer said.

[@TeensierPython]

Trade them both in on a .375 H&H?

[@BCBtrucks64]

spots for sure love dogs

[@gabriellindig]

Save the 6.5 for pronghorn or sheep. You're going to need a bigger pill and powder for the Safari game.

[@gravytrainoutdoors]

I’ve harvested at least 60 deer with my 7mm, a dozen moose or more, Elk and lots of black bear. I’ve never felt under gunned. I have no issue shooting single hole 3 shot groups at 200yds with my hand loads and my mildly worked M700. Shots on deer under 100yds do waste a lot of meat but at least I’ve never had to track one down. I’ve had deer walk around like they weren’t even shot with my .243 and with the 7mm they just pile up on the spot with the same shot placement. 154gn hornady interbonds with IMR-4831 pushing has always been a good combo. The Hornady 162gn SST has been a good shooting and performing bullet for me as well. I love my 7mm Rem Mag and it is my go to calibre. With a muzzle break it’s a tame little pussy cat!

[@david834]

My 7mm Rem Mag made it about 1100 rounds, all shot with factory ammo. '95 Remington Sendero. Incredibly accurate.

[@920Tactical]

I never understand people saying “you’ll shoot the barrel out” (hunting rifle) If you shoot every week/weekend then maybe. If you’re hunting, you maybe use 3-4 boxes to sight in (barrel break in included if you go that route). And then after that maybe another 2-3 boxes of ammo. 2,000 rounds of 7mm rem mag is a lot, I don’t see the average Hunter burning out their barrel. If you plan to shoot that much and have the money, buy a “precision” rifle where swapping out barrels would be easier than a hunting rifle (yes hunting rifle barrels can be swapped, but most factory barrels are a pain in the butt to remove).

[@ericaulenbacher2015]

270 win is my round

[@henrymorgan6087]

How big would you comfortably w the 6.5…kudu? Zebra? Oryx? Sable? Roan? Honest question for a two gun hunt as a companion for the .375 … Thx in advance..HLM

[@chrisdills5072]

7mm mag is King!!! Great video!

[@m444ss]

If you're going to pay the bill to make a big hunt to Africa (or Alaska or...) then don't sweat the cost of one or two boxes of ammo. If I'm saving up for that hunt and choice is between 7mm Rem Mag in hand or buying a new .308 Win, I'm certainly willing to pinch a few more pennies to get the $45/box premium ammo rather than buy a new (and less capable, less versatile) rifle so I can get similar ammo at $35/box or (worse) cheap ammo of questionable performance at $17/box.

[@m444ss]

"It has less recoil." There's got to be a point at which this doesn't matter. A .22 WMR recoils more than a .22 LR, but the added recoil has zero impact on my ability to shoot accurately and with precision. I handily shot "expert" on US Navy & Army courses with the 5.56 in an M-16, and recoil doesn't affect my ability to shoot .243 Win or .7mm-08 accurately & precisely. If someone can fire one or two or five shots from a 7mm Rem Mag without concern for the recoil, then switching to .308 Win (for example) is not going to improve accuracy, at least not on the basis of recoil. i.e., if you've got a recoil issue with 7mm Rem Mag recoil issue then either work it out or do make a change to a less recoiling cartridge/rifle combo... but if not, then recoil management is not a good reason to switch.

[@j.n.572]

Clicked on this just for the dog in the thumbnail!!! But fine video as always. If you have a good general purpose hunting caliber like something in a .270/6.8, .284/7mm, or something in the .30 caliber family. Then the best rifle is the the one you already own.

[@fnkdtnk]

Would I sell a 7mm rem mag to get a .308 6.5 270 etc? Absolutely not. If I didn’t have a rifle for African Plaines game, would 7mm rem mag be my first choice? Nope, I would go with 6.5 cm, .308, 270, or 30-06 before I got the 7 mm rem mag, for African plaines game. If you showed up with any of those, would I say you made a bad choice? Nope, I sure would not.

[@tonyenglish5153]

I recently purchased a 6.5 PRC Tikka in the heavier barreled version and very excited to have it and Im planning on buying my first 7mm mag next week in a Sako Finnbear deluxe. I have a WBY vanguard .300 wby mag in synthetic and will keep it as well as my Ruger #1 shorter Lipseys special (extremely limited with papers in 25.06) and I think Im covered. Love Rons videos and the community and heritage that my dad and grandparents invested in me. Pass it on.

[@danielcurtis1434]

Can’t comment on your question because I’ve never had a pet zebra!!!

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Recommend you don't get one. They bite and kick.

[@pietermalan5450]

Lol was about to tell you that they bite 😂