6 JAN 2025 NEW HOTS PATCH NOTES(PTR) REVIEW! WE ARE GETTING BRAWLS BACK?!

[@MarelWhite]

2:31 "you'll convince me game isn't dying if they bring back haunted mines" TRUE SO TRUE

[@NoName-pi3dx]

I remember when ARAM was a Brawl. Which is to say: Yay Brawls!

[@angelabadzhiev9036]

Ye they should have never removed them , enjoyed them all imo they should just keep them as modes constantly on and expand on them like WC3 custom made maps were

[@Soggysenpai]

Been away for a year but like Fan said, you always come back. Gonna have to try hots again with these new patches.

[@claustrophobicmole867]

There has been plenty of patches this year youll see a few small changes arround

[@DeuceGenius]

just got back into playing after 2 yrs lool

[@benjaminharris9392]

for zuljin 94 to 118 base is a pretty massive buff considering this scales, roughly a 25% increase. to match this scaling in the old zj kit, you would need roughly 5 stacks (25 hits) per level to keep up with the new change, though this is a rough estimate since scaling is compounded and not linear per level up (4% compounded). in summary, if you could get 120 stacks (600 hits) by level 20, this is actually a nerf, though from my experience most zj players have around 70 stacks, so this is a buff overall (rip trolling in bronze). tldr, zj buffed unless you have a bronze smurfing amount of stacks

[@jamiroquai8291]

I hope this treatment to Kelthuzad

[@louisbrahm6145]

does the level buff (the 4%) apply to the stacks tho ?

[@benjaminharris9392]

@@louisbrahm6145 the 4% is a compounding interest for base damage. so before only the 94 base damage compounded and the stacks were added on without compounding. so essentially zj is now given “free” stacks now since the 118 is compounded now. by level 10, zj gets 40 free stacks (zj quest is out of 30). essentially, the zj quest only gives 1.1 aa range 15 stacks and w buff 30 stacks. think of it as the damage part given for free now

[@DeuceGenius]

zj is one of the heroes that many many low rank players do not understand the mechanics of. they allow him to land auto attacks the entire game, treating him the same as any other hero. wonder why they decided to buff him . maybe because he isn't picked a lot in storm league?

[@EllipticalReasoning]

Just some quick calculating, at level 20 this is a buff from 206 to 259, or +53 damage. Each stack gives a relative +0.75 to the old version, so you would need 70 stacks (350 hits) to catch up, unless I've done my math wrong. Getting a lot more than that is pretty rare, and obviously earlier in the game this will be a significant buff. I would say this is definitely an overall buff, though a slight nerf in ultra-lategame or in games where you get crazy stacks. Tangentially, I'm excited that the nerf to stacking might make non-recklessness talents viable at level 1. Edit: it looks like fan did some math at the end of the video but wasn't sure how to do the compound easily - it's actually really simple! Level 20 damage is base damage * 1.04^20. Edit 2: ok, it looks like my comment was entirely redundant.

[@ysock5826]

I feel out of hots cause kids, but this popped up on my algorithm, and I was pretty happy to watch to support you. You've always been the best fan! Happy new years!

[@mik5owski654]

I joined the HotS party so late, I never even saw Brawl. Can't wait to play it

[@equestrianrosie]

22:53 thanks, Janitor

[@davidv8825]

less damage means enemies dont die which means fights go longer which means more dings. silver lining

[@hernanorozco7064]

kinda brutal they nerfed Fan out of all things

[@Hots_Waji]

POOL PARTY!!

[@thehoff8831]

my favorite 😂

[@MaxPaine-f5q]

YES, oh boy yes Im new in hots and ive never been able to play brawl now my prayers have been heared ❤

[@AngelofDeathGG]

To me, playing all brawls again are amazing. I was waiting for this many years! 😁

[@Andyisgodcky]

Zuljin's q build was already the easiest way to get highest damage on your team, its just that much stronger now

[@Merknilash]

Hard countered by blinds and struggles to stack I miss the old W build with guillotine before they nerfed it into oblivion back in 2018 or 2019

[@equestrianrosie]

Escape from Braxis was so fun!

[@MrDNE1000]

I always preferred Q build on zuljin, this is a massive buff to that build

[@icd9418]

The Mobius Loop nerf is actually a huge buff for Chromie. There were too many moments where an enemy gets hit by the center of it and got slowed. Than walk into the next hit to get some more damage. But the third never hit or dealt less damage cause the enemy was too slow to walk further.

[@angamaitesangahyando685]

Just checked the latest streams, saw PTR, got hyped, huge huge huge! - Adûnâi

[@davidwagner1040]

Reservoir of hope was super hard to stack beyond ~20 anyway because of the energy required. This change just means you get more stacks easier and it still scales to infinity

[@eds7228]

The only way to stack high was to use the globe talent. You pick searing light and globes, and at 16 you get a globe, then stack to full energy. Then you go to a wave, use searing light, that gives you a stack and a globe and refills your energy to max (when you have the globe you retain 75% energy, searing light then lets you regain 25% from the wave by damaging it). So you basically now have 1 shot waveclear and one stack per wave infinitely. It takes a little bit of micro to make sure you get the stack by healing yourself, you have to take a bit of damage from the wave but yea, easily can scale to 30/40/50 stacks and it gets a bit silly. Feels terrible when you lose your globe and energy tho, takes forever to get it back

[@megaaan523]

it was so funny to see the chat complaining about nerfs for Zuljan without considering the scaling. it was such an obvious thing and yet people immediately started a manhunt

[@raspernor11]

Chromie's Time Loop still has a built in rewind-and-a-half, even without the placement effect. And rewind is a coveted level 20 choice, given to an artillery mage at level 8. Still no question which is better.

[@matthewbeard7841]

That UI change is happening on the websites for other Blizzard games as well, not just for HotS. Still nice to see it happen though.

[@TheSting772]

How do you play brawl unless its in the quickmatch pool, there arent enough people in Australia to have both...

[@0mercieful]

I've been saying nerf fan ZJ for so long, glad to see janitor saw me ❤

[@axxjazz.]

i love how everyone did the math faster then fan🤣🤣🤣

[@FanHOTS]

💀

[@DeuceGenius]

love you guys for playing my favorite game

[@timciesonite]

I read the top right donation bar as 'daily free diddy' 😅

[@CGDW2]

Is that a health pack is fine if you're playing aram and there's no healer.

[@FanHOTS]

Yeah its good in this niche situation

[@OsoiKame]

Coming back yet again!

[@corvoattano5203]

Yeah, in lower ranks I feel it's pretty easy to get wild with Johanna's Blessed Hammer

[@KirbyGotenksabsorbed]

Man those Auriel changes are complete ass. Almost feels like something I'd see from the old balance team and not the janitor. The reason the Reservoir of Hope nerf in exchange for the buff to Wrath of Heaven is so bad is that her late game healing scales horribly without picking Reservoir, and most of the time that isn't acceptable if you're the only healer on the team. I actually think it's such a crucial talent that her entire line of 16 talents need to get reworked.

[@panbaiye]

Happy Patch Day! HOTS live game

[@ryutou-ki4dl]

i recently started playing again and would love brawls, i never played hots when the had them, i started playing like a few months before blizzard killed it and sent out the thank you notice to players lol im no longer a hots baby im like a hots pre-teen now

[@wallaceywill]

Someone explain difference brawl vs ARAM

[@AttieXD]

Stitches pool party!!! We’re so back

[@волимбабе]

haven't played for months, might come back

[@A1Steaksauce58]

We are back baby.

[@elcolun]

escape from braxis....very fun brawl men!!!! was hard & fun

[@toshizue8627]

The hots petorare continues to live!

[@DerMichael]

So we might see more Zul'jin in Ranked and fewer in ARAM, which I think is good.

[@bastiano2939]

FAN HOTS KING

[@danathesane]

Dead game go muuurrrrrrr 🧟‍♂️

[@DeuceGenius]

lolol

[@careca0000]

Q build ZJ is gonna slap this new patch

[@Wet_Electronics]

fruggin love this game

[@123fakestreettt]

They FInAlly Changed Guillotine back to 30 seconds!

[@Dudemangyu]

Massive buff to two other zul lvl 1 since you get less reward from stacking and scale better aa dmg without stacking

[@djt.frosty69]

You're the only KZbinr keeping this game alive

[@DeuceGenius]

my man hasuobs still playing. idk about lauber and them think he playing some other bs game

[@andy02q]

Searing Light was pretty good if your team and/or enemy/es fought in enemy minion waves alot because then you would get a good chunk of Energy right back, like 25% in some cases and you could make the Heal/attack cost just 25% with Regen globes which you would re-reactivate right away with that same minion wave plus with a couple of reservoir of hope stacks - which you could stack pretty fast with that technique - you could actually one-shot minion waves eventually. It was way too inconsistent if your enemy knew how to counter it (e.g. fight away from wave, keep up pressure when Regen Globes not active, dive+cc Ariel first and some others) but it was also pretty frustrating if you had no idea what was happening. That said I find it sad, that Auriel has a much harder time to become top DPS in lobbies with weaker teams now, but then again smurfing is bad anyway.

[@Xanthanarium]

I always thought that ARAM and Brawl should just be separate modes, rather than turning Brawl into ARAM. Seems silly to just let all that work that they put into designing brawls over the years go to waste. That said, I seem to recall them citing all the bugs they had to fix for each brawl as the roster got larger and larger for the reason why they removed Brawls. Makes me wonder if they're planning on addressing some of those bugs in an ongoing fashion now.

[@FanHOTS]

Split queues will mean slower queue times as well, so that will be interesting to see if its anything noticeable.

[@Hamiltron]

Ayy finally get 1080p again

[@romanpyatibratov4361]

3:20 i think this is made so Auriel wont get bunch of energy from using W on minion wave/azmo ult/arthas ult/mobs at punisher shrine

[@FanHOTS]

Perhaps that is why they made the change, I never felt like that was actually too strong though

[@eds7228]

Imo they changed it because once you start stacking the heal quest with the globe quest, you can walk around one shotting waves with your heal and basically double soaking, and you never lose any energy (heal clears wave after a few stacks and the globe from wave refreshes your energy)

[@RG-fp1lg]

Yrel still the longest ult recharge

[@Radberrymoofin]

Fan! Zoom innnnn

[@haramberinokripperino7770]

Zuljin buffed, I would be doing backflips if only I wasn’t playing Rivals

[@FanHOTS]

I'm playing both!

[@haramberinokripperino7770]

@ and I’ll be watching both ;)

[@MiGuEl-ql8sk]

If blizzard is rly going to commit to this game, will there be a big update again? like heroes 2.0 with the soft mmr reset? esports? cmon !!! let this game become what it can become, easily the best moba ever.

[@giorgiostramaroni7099]

new zuljin stack record when?

[@elgar7252]

Still no Nova buffs... :(

[@RadiJaeger]

10:15 Yes but it is going to be fun for me

[@pastdue7170]

I feel like they gearing up put this on steam.

[@АлексКорж-у1н]

Bear with me! (Rexar probably)

[@javier3108]

Mr. Janitor went absolutely way too hard on Auriel! Searing Light nerf should be "deals 75% damage to non-heroes" (and still 100% to heroes). And Reservoir of Hope should just be nerfed to 70 per stack. Please, Mr. Janitor, at the very least let Searing Light deal 50% damage to non-heroes and Reservoir of Hope get 65 per stack!

[@tuoritto]

Honestly, they are murdering Auriel's better talents with this, and not very rightfully I feel. If the lvl 1 is so problematic, remove the energy generation from its damage (at least against non-heroes then), but it's like. Auriel as this more offensive healer should be helpful in PvE too, this is just too much I feel. The issue is mostly that the other two are just not nearly as good tbh. I don't live the lvl 16 changes either (both, actually). The reservoir nerf is kinda whatever to me, I dislike that talent anyway, but man... If they wanted to nerf how hard it scales, make it kinda like Valla W or Illidan Hatred quests where it gives you a flat amount after a certain stackage, but reduce each individual stack. Or just give that bit of flat amount for just picking the talent. I dunno. The spell power one was already imo the better of the other two because of the armour reduction, but now it just looks crazy. Oh and these lvl 20 Chromie changes are insane too, wtf Sus patch tbh, which is a bit weird after how good the last couple were The Jo nerfs are deserved though lol

[@uzogsi]

Janitor targeting Fan with nerfs

[@FanHOTS]

💀

[@DaweSlayer]

ZJ change is so wrong, that i will not even bother explaining. HotS balanced for apes confirmed.

[@dextergtfo4747]

u forgot the W buff after the quest is completed! so this is basically a nerf to lvl 7 arcanite axes cause it takes so much longer to complete the baseline quest! guess ZJ is now a pure AA

[@eds7228]

It won't take any more or less time to complete the quest. All that has been changed is the reward not the amount of stacks needed

[@JM-oi2dx]

Escape from Braxis!!!!

[@dmitrymarkov4498]

Was it a PVE Brawl against zerg?

[@JM-oi2dx]

@@dmitrymarkov4498 Yes, there exist videos on YT with gameplays, there was Easy and Hard mode. It was so fun and frustrating.

[@sippycup2096]

For the algorithm!

[@phaseshifter3d455]

HotS is heading to Steam.

[@elcolun]

Johanna: i prefer rock build (40 basic amor + 20% health ...now 25%) really strong, toxic, my fav. really sad at level 16 nerf 1.5 to 1 T_T .... really toxic lov for pro players JOhana

[@Subject49]

Comment for the algo

[@Monkey36044]

Jesus christ they took all the fun stuff and shat on it with this updates. I mean,look at my boy Zul'jin they did him dirty ...

[@FanHOTS]

Think they changed him from high risk high reward to low risk low reward. I personally don't love that, but that being said, if our calculation ballparks are correct, its a buff anywhere under 300 stacks which should be the vast majority of games.

[@szebasztianturbucz308]

ZJ got buffed and the dings remain, so all is good.

[@Monkey36044]

@@FanHOTS Exactly! This is Blizzard again telling casual players to feel some accomplishment, while telling the skilled ones to screw off.

[@Monkey36044]

@@szebasztianturbucz308 Whats the point of the dings, if its reduced to nothing. It now feels like Tyraels globe ding quest: You tried so hard to get so far, in the end it doesnt even matter.

[@szebasztianturbucz308]

@@Monkey36044 Think of it as if Zuljin starts with 120 stacks and that even scales with his levels.

[@Criam]

Nerfing Auriel... :/

[@angamaitesangahyando685]

The sticky header UI is so bad, one of my curses of mobile design since ca. 2015... I can't stand it. - Adûnâi

[@kalipsa8252]

I hope chromie's lvl 20 ult upgrade will be banned in aram😢

[@dzordzkeko2608]

The ult is banned already :D

[@kalipsa8252]

@dzordzkeko2608 oh yeah, for some reason I thought that loop was banned 🫠

[@Sartious]

grim

[@Dennsemann1]

69 nice

[@djt.frosty69]

Enemy Oreo lol

[@djt.frosty69]

Might as well go play a new game since they nuke every hero every patch