6 Reasons for the Decline of The Walking Dead - What Happened to the TV Series?

[@TheDevinShin]

Carl died, Rick left, I wasnt interested in Judith’s story. I was interested in Rick’s story.

[@lilythepinkcat7523]

Not to mention with that huge time skip to age her up, when I saw her I didn't recognize her, and thats because she seemed like a new random character rather than being all thats left of the main characters we loved

[@Horrorlover1978]

But it was more than Judith. Honestly, she became a side character to Michonne, Maggie, Daryl and Carol. Season 9 was actually good and people missed out.

[@carolleathers6595]

I agree with you. I still watch the show and enjoy it somewhat, but I felt let down by Rick leaving and Carl's unbelievable demise. The show itself has become inconsistent.

[@duncle582]

​@@lilythepinkcat7523 your telling me you didnt notice that she was judith? how could you not know that a person wearing a Carls hat, holding ricks gun and having a mini katana was judith?

[@ChillFactoryGaming]

Yess.. RICK is the main 😞

[@WesLewisMusic]

What the creators didn’t understand is that we want to see our main characters. You can’t just force a all new cast on us 8 seasons in and expect us to love it. It’s an entirely different show that we didn’t bargain for

[@AFuller2020]

Remober Rick in the Tank episode? It was outstanding, now pick any episode from the past four years, they can't compete, the stink. TWD has great fans, and Gimble should be fired, no promoted.

[@fpmd99]

@wes, I completely agree. They killed off everyone I cared about and then wonder why I won’t watch anymore?

[@nate742]

TWD just couldn't pull off what the Vikings show managed to do; kill off their main character and still make the story worth watching afterwards.

[@ultrabigfella]

The main characters of Season 8 are: Rick Daryl Carl Maggie Carol Negan Only one, the antagonist, wasn't introduced in Season 1.

[@MbkZaee]

@@ultrabigfella michonne lol

[@nemesisastraea6659]

My thing was survival. I enjoyed seeing them move from location to location trying to survive. When they started to settle in one location and get attacked by some new faction, and the whole season revolved around just that I started to lose interest.

[@HUeducator2011]

Sameee

[@BlackJesus8463]

yup

[@kyos8462]

I enjoyed the prison...everything after with the exact recycled story got old FAST

[@pa.encema2821]

Repetition gets dull very quickly

[@rebeccadelbridge2998]

Completely agree

[@xhotelcortez9815]

i often feel Abrahams death goes overlooked because of Glenn, which is somewhat understandable since everyone (including myself) LOVED Glenn, he was the soul of the show. But that being said, Abraham was a great character, especially towards the end of his character and his loss really affected me too. There were other factors for the shows decline, but I think killing BOTH of them off was a huge reason as to why

[@ashley.sterling]

that's what pissed me off when it first happened I feel like they could've showed Abraham's death in the season end, instead of that stupid cliffhanger then we the viewers would mourn him while breathing a sigh of relief for Glenn then for the new season opener, when Glenn ultimately gets it, the shock would be more and we could mourn him as well Glenn's death as it stands completely overshadows Abraham's

[@karengoldenthal2889]

Not at all! Its Not a Competition..But, Glenn was There, from the Beginning, Saved Rick's Life in Atlanta...That was always key.

[@karengoldenthal2889]

Was better, split up, though, as in the Comics.

[@andrewbernard1911]

Yea it’s was terrible killing them both I was just mad obviously negan had to kill one but getting rid of both of them was a pointless waste of 2 great characters

[@nareddyapps]

Glenn wasn’t the soul of the show, Rick was. Glenn’s death sucked but I was willing to keep watching after. However killing Carl took away Rick’s reason to live, then they got rid of Rick and at that point there was just no point anymore. Now the only characters left are the ones whose actors can’t find any better roles

[@user-gz9pv2jz2q]

Scott Gimple is 100% the cause of the down fall of the Walking Dead. He has poorly run the TV show. And his decision to write characters off for ratings and what he thinks is good TV has killed the show. This is coming from a viewer since day 1 of the Walking Dead.

[@sharonnejones8389]

Then he went to Fear and gutted that out.

[@davidtodd3435]

Just wrote a comment before I read your comment. You’re 100% right on this one.

[@adamdavis5015]

Im not a fan of gimple but you have to keep in mind that he was showrunner when the show was at its best in seasons 3 and 4. His later seasons were def not good but I don't think he's 100% to blame.

[@fromthefire4176]

Sharonne Jones that should go down as the most legendary self destruction of a show ever. Not a lot of ppl got to find out but it was originally going to be a heart of darkness adaptation, and it was starting to show as things were getting darker and more complicated. Then the new writers whittle it down to the most simplistic, morally absolutist nonsense. They kill off the two main characters, and one because he was so unhappy with the changes he quit, bring in characters from TWD which were arguably disliked and outright unwelcome by the audience, and destroy the production value with everything from mistakes to trying to imitate TWD’s truly awful eyesore “cinematography”. It was completely unbelievable to see something like that happen, I would have told you before it that nobody was that unprofessional and incompetent.

[@ShardelHaden]

Agreed

[@mikertist347]

What killed it for me was that it never seemed to be going anywhere: cure for the zombie virus, government reforming, anything. Just the same thing with a new villain each season.

[@c_f0rce]

The show was never about a cure. They said that in season 1. You tricked yourself. As for a government, they are doing that. That's what the whole alliance between hilltop, Alexander, and the Kingdom is. And eventually the Commonwealth

[@danielintoccia9537]

You realize this is based off of a comic book series right?? There is tons of different villains that they had to get to from the comics. And there is no cure.

[@Pagcraft]

@@c_f0rce yeah but what would keep me watching if the show won’t get nothing new? I understand that Kirkman wanted to represent the consequences of an zombie apocalypse and the human nature, but man it’s always the same thing, even if the villains r kinda a little bit different, the show don’t set other purposes, it’s just sounds like dull conversations with some deaths at the end, there is not enough of a reward to keep viewers watching, not to mention that there is not an major goal in the show, not even living seems like it.

[@joseph906]

Capitalism Kettling I think aome misunderstood your comment. You're saying: Jimmy isn't going anywhere in life. They say: Well because he has no ambition. Well that's the problem. Give him something to strife for.

[@smeghammer305]

My sentiments exactly, just rinse and repeat with a new villain and no direction

[@N-GinAndTonicTM]

Well, the fact that the Walkers stopped being the threat after Season 5 played a big role in it. I'm so tired of seeing yet another "evil" group, that has some big, evil bad guy that fights the survivors for a Season and a half; get killed and then the survivors move onto another area to find another big, evil group. Rinse and repeat for 4+ seasons.

[@reidhouston8041]

I mean the Walkers were probably the big main threat for the first and better half of season 6, yet I still understand the repetitiveness of the villains the characters face. This is especially prominent in FTWD as there will be like 5 "big bads" in one season

[@ryankirkpatrick8062]

It went from man vs nature to man vs man with no back and forth. I think after the Governor it began to decline. Negan is a great character but I did stop watching around then

[@finalgate]

100% agree. The show changed when they reached the prison for me and I just got bored with it soon after because the zombie threat never evolved to keep pace with the characters. Zombies never got faster or smarter or stronger and the characters became so good at killing and evading them that they posed no real threat. It was only in brief conflict situations between rival groups that the characters would become compromised enough for the zombies to be dangerous again such as when the prison fences came down. Other than the occasional horde, there was no formidable monster to fear and the show just became a post-apocalyptic, repetitive mad max sort of thing. I gave up at season 5 I think.

[@ForeverShadowBanned]

Yeah but eventually that's what would likely happen in most zombie apocalypse or really any apocalypse scenario, desperate people are ultimately the biggest threat and even in the comics it's more about the characters than the zombies. I will admit though they milked the ever loving fuck out of the show to the point where that premise just became boring.

[@danielaleksandrov5701]

Yes! They went wayyyyy to far, they shoulda ended after Alexandria, but now we have negan and the whisperers. And now there is a new group called Reaper's. Arnt we trying to end the show not start it up again. The producers are so F$%#&@% TRASH!!!!! (I mean that from the bottom of my heart and soul. Like F%$# YOU PRODUCERS)

[@itsfinel2p]

My biggest problem with the series was that it felt like it stopped letting us play along. In the early conflicts, like with The Governor there was a clear idea of how much power he had. We saw where he was, his soldiers' overall quality. Even knew approximately how many there were. But by the time we got to Negan, there was no cohesion. We weren't allowed to know how many Saviors there were. How many bases they had. Their total supplies, even as we saw into their main base, was always a mystery. It made everything that happened possible because they could decide whenever they wanted what any of these figures were. "oh that was only a small part of the Saviors force." Oh. Okay. If you say so.

[@babynyxe4784]

Nah this was the case in the beginning, but eventually during the war they showed the inner workings of sanctuary and how actually exhausted and scared the saviours were, as well as Negan's thought process and Simon's betrayal. I liked how it showed that they were actually being torn apart from the inside as a result of Rick retaliating.

[@cleankaibaandthegentlemen1695]

This was purported even worse in the final season with the commonwealth which was supposed to have a population of 50,000 people but we’d see 100 people tops.

[@swampfire_edits8976]

​@@cleankaibaandthegentlemen1695one Word: Budget

[@rency1803]

In the savior arc, the conflict feels so meaningless cause every time a group off savior died, they just pulled more people out and the dead people are not really important anyway. They really should have stick with the small group survival war aspect instead of huge line battle with a bunch of randos nobody care about.

[@nathonso_edits]

Yup that and the fact that there was just a never ending army of them, never felt like their numbers dwindled, it was like video game enemy numbers, same with Ricks side, just more random citezens from Alexandria etc with guns

[@korvisus]

Carl did it for me. I felt like he was developing into a solid main character, and symbolized the new generation in the zombie world. Him dying was the thing that eliminated my desire to watch.

[@ash_11117]

Exactly.

[@jordanebacher]

That's funny because I didn't like Carl at all and actually loved it when he died.

[@lovethefgt]

This is when I pretty much dropped out to. Then finding out later on that the character was only killed off because the show runner had drama with the actor made me dislike it even more.

[@bananaknight8187]

yall are missing out

[@natesoto1362]

It was more the way he died, I couldn't fathom that someone so seasoned got bit like an idiot in a situation that was entirely avoidable. For the longest I didn't like Siddiq's character because of it. The only thing he could do to make up for the death was become a doctor then they killed HIM off. Smh at the time Game of Thrones was good, I would've never imagined that Walking Dead would end up the better show. Least they can't do worse than season 8.

[@johnconstantine1604]

After a while, it seemed like there were no victories. Ever. The occasional joy was just a set-up for a long, dramatic sadness. We showed up for a zombie-themed adventure and left when it became a soap opera of defeat.

[@christophernuckolls9964]

This. I was sick of constantly feeling defeated after every episode. Just once I wanted something good to happen. Even in the worst of times good things still happen to people. I couldn't suspend my disbelief enough to get past to constant down-vibes.

[@dunerider88]

Once I just felt pure anxiety watching, I was done.

[@jhoelt2922]

@@christophernuckolls9964 yes especially with the Negan - savior saga. That shit was dreadful episode after episode. Don't get me wrong the actor Winchester did his thing but the show dragged out that atmosphere for too long. When Rick and Carl left it was over. I used to be so hype for the new episodes and rn I don't even know who is dead or alive and don't care.

[@sstevo4066]

This really makes sense now that I think about it. I understand there must be down times but I also want to see these people have some happiness and respite. The let downs were just so brutal and constant.

[@chonkytiger5981]

I 100% agree! This has always been my issue with the show. What’s the point of watching then struggle if you know it’s all in vain. Every time they take down a big bad and try to get back to the way they want to live; here comes another Charismatic cult leader with an endless herd of followers and a Vendetta for no reason. It gets old so fast.

[@William_Earl]

For me, it was the inconsistency in character decisions as the show progressed. Some characters had no issue killing dozens in one episode, then had a moral crisis the next over killing someone who actually needed to be. The writing became very cliche' and the acting cringier as it aged. The characters became cartoon versions of themselves and new characters were boring. A show should make you feel more invested as it ages, not less. Also, the angles/zooms/transitions became awkward as hell.

[@ronlawrence5021]

I really got turned off when they made Rick a simp for the better part of a season. But I stuck it out. Viewership ended for me when TWD looked to Marvel for inspiration and took up the girl power mantra.

[@dylanthurgood5931]

Well said

[@Shiftworker247]

The 'every character has to have a moral reflection or turn around' got on my nerves.

[@JohnDoe-wb6vl]

Carol has been back and forth so many times by now I've lost count a long time ago, fucking sick of her

[@Uninspired.Spectator]

These new characters suck so much, this show sucks, when I saw a black guy in dreads holding a tiger with a chain I knew this was over

[@archsteel7]

I think my biggest issue wasn’t really that they killed off characters like Glenn or Abe. It was that they didn’t do it in ways that felt earned. The whole Negan thing felt like one big case of Villain Ex Machina, where all of our characters suddenly lost all of their ability for rational thought because the plot needed them to get caught by Negan. They should have known they were being funneled into an ambush past the second roadblock, and picked a fight they could win instead of waiting to get completely encircled. And other characters, who had lived in this world for years, would just randomly die to Walkers in closets while idiotically bumbling through houses when they’ve been around long enough to know better. It felt like previously smart characters would just *become* stupid whenever the plot needed them to die. And if I can’t trust that any character isn’t going to randomly be lobotomized by the author so they can stick their hand in a walker’s mouth and die, I can’t stay invested in any of them.

[@Kalakeiko]

I get where you're coming from, I personally liked season 9-11, especially season 9, it's one of my favourite seasons, but it's such a shame that the show took such a big nose-dive in season 7-8 and nothing will ever beat the first few seasons for me. Whether you want to give the rest of the series a chance again or not is totally up to you and valid either way :)

[@DaneSaysStuff]

I can agree with this. I bailed on TWD at end of season 2. Having read the graphic novels up to that point it was clear they were gonna drive the money bus right off a cliff. Even in print Negan was a garbage character and they piled the trash higher on screen.

[@thisbeem2714]

That is such a good point. And it was especially so with Carl. He KNEW how to deal with walkers. There weren’t even that many and he gets bit trying to help a guy kill them because said guy’s mama thought their souls were trapped. It was ridiculous.

[@Loboo869]

I truly believe that if Carl was alive the show would still be going strong. Rick grimes was the main character and Carl would have continued his legacy Ik we have Judith but It just isn’t the same. I’ve always felt that after season 8 Judith was just thrown in to replace Carl

[@acidburn9141]

To each their own but they stretched out the savior ark too long the first half was awesome the mid section not so much they stretched it out as much as possible which made it old in my opinion

[@kayden2119]

listen i loved carl as a character but the actor just was not that good.

[@BongRip]

@@kayden2119 he absolutely sucked until his very last episode where he decided to give it his all since he was leaving. If only he chose to do that earlier lmfao maybe he wouldn’t have been merked off the show

[@kayden2119]

@@BongRip he was really good when he was a kid and yeah he did very well in his last two episodes but aside from that he was not that good. He was still one of my favorite characters but did not have that good of an actor

[@BongRip]

@@kayden2119 yup exactly even the actor himself says the same thing

[@johnlockie]

You forgot the whole “Glenn just got killed by walkers” 3 episodes into season 6, and then episode 7 “surprise Glenn actually survived!”…..only to kill him off only a few episodes later was enough for me to never watch the show again…..this show had some amazing moments, but for me I had enough of the cliff hangers at the end of every season.

[@ScientificallyStupid]

That was what did it for me, I was fine with him dying in a different way, I just didn't appreciate the way they went about it IRL (with showrunners being like, "he's really dead, thanks Steven Yuen for a great portrayal of Glenn"). They could have left it ambiguous for suspense, really killed him, whatever, but I don't like actually being lied to, it feels cheap. Like the show can't be suspenseful by dint of the action itself, the talk around the show that happens in reality has to feed the show. I got so aggravated I stopped watching.

[@EQOAnostalgia]

The writing staff were straight up nihilsts lol. They aced in making their audience feel like shit.

[@tseruyahibri7049]

This is where I exited the walking dead train. The show runners and writers became too disrespectful for me to continue to give them more of my time.

[@mattnar3865]

Glenn got overrun in Alexandria too before he was saved, guy was swarmed and 100% should have been bitten

[@minobg79]

Two reasons for me: 1. majority of characters that I cared about died and I did not care for the most of new ones 2. it got really repetitive from season to season

[@diz8344]

Nice summary!

[@LeoPoisl]

You got it! They loose me during Season 6 Buy I still watched Season 7 Couldn't go farther Lost the best characters and got too repetitive

[@jessiehuynh7495]

Same thing with the comics after Negan it just repeats itself.

[@alicetheangel-iplayroblox5184]

I'm hecka late, but the only reason I stayed is because of Daryl, like honestly.

[@mdc21787]

Go back and watch the first season, the zombies are climbing ladders, using rocks to bust windows, running…then they sort of slowly became slow and docile. It was weird.

[@ryansmith4494]

Haha they had a silly retcon calling those variants.

[@rency1803]

It's been years since the first season storywise. The weird things is why these corpse are still standing and not completely rot away after a few years. Them being slow and docile is not even that bad.

[@saigie3908]

@@rency1803 That does make sense. But tbh, it would also make more sense if there are more adaptions to the zombies as the years progress. I mean the Last of Us did it. Plus it’s tv, usually shows don’t want to ‘realistically’ kill off the things that are the foundation of what the show is.

[@liamphibia]

Well... Until Season 11.

[@Lamia-bl8nz]

The main reason is because they change the first director of the show

[@candlewaxicing]

I always preferred the small tight group moving from location to location. Season 5 with the cannibals was the top of the show for me. It was exactly what I wanted from the show. I was in fear of characters dying and the world felt twisted and desperate. The show get old because they recycle the formula of our group meets new group and fighting ensues. Also I don't feel as connected with most of the new characters. No one but Negan has a strong personality out of the newer characters.

[@Elijah-Bailey]

I loved season 5, but we have to admit that seeing that road-survival theme for more than one season would have been boring too. This is exactly why there is a leap in time between season 2 and 3, we skip from Hershel's farm to the prison but they have spent their time on the road exactly like season 5, we just don't see it because it's not that interesting... Also, remember that in season 5 it's actually enjoyable because there is a goal, which is Eugene and Washington. Without that, you are just watching theme live. This isn't fun. The comunitys thing is actually better, and the season 11 shows it very well

[@blackcat6308]

Ye, For me whats the point of their hardship in the past episodes if the director will kill the original group and introduce a new group, it doesnt make sense the goal should be finding the cure or looking for a place/city that have an law/order

[@Elijah-Bailey]

@@blackcat6308 Well they actually look for a place/city that have an law/order, and when they have one they try to improve that place/cityn that's what you see.

[@someasiankid6323]

yeah man the cannib twist was crazy

[@zpl68]

Best season

[@ShaggyShagz13]

I didn't get bored of the zombies, just the opposite. I got tired of the zombies becoming scarce and gangs being the theme.

[@norrecvizharan1177]

Almost as if it became less of a zombie apocalypse, and more of just a survival drama with scarce populations and resources, yea.

[@aDeprivedSeal]

Yeah i agree, they could have done some crazy things with either super hordes or maybe some rapid evolution/ mutations popping up among the walkers

[@CountryLifestyle2023]

@@aDeprivedSeal Watch Z Nation lol

[@w-dad4040]

another good point. I agree. Also "The formula" Opening scene; Drama; Drama; Zombie scare; Drama. Everyone felt so 'butt-hurt'

[@Charlie-vp5tn]

Wait, is there zombies in the show?

[@dank9640]

The entire show was technically about Carl. Killing him quite literally killed the show. It's a real shame, TWD was brilliant up until that point.

[@andraskozma2666]

i was glad when Carl finally died

[@onlyfrog]

twd wasn't brilliant at that point. it was already starting to drag, the seasons were full of boring, useless episodes

[@ebygz4755]

@@onlyfrog fr, season 8 was straight up disrepectful to viewers

[@calvry4157]

Glenn dying was a shock...but it wasn't over yet. Then Carl died, and as you said it killed the show. I thought they knew how to use and lose characters in the show until that point. I knew that later on people would've needlessly died if I even cared about them in the first place lol

[@briana8088]

I didn't care about Carl but I stopped watching after he died.

[@katty5003]

Glenn was such a huge part of the story, They killed off too many main characters which ppl had a connection with, then Rick left & that’s that. Carl was hope & that was just too much.

[@Kalakeiko]

I get where you're coming from, I personally liked season 9-11, especially season 9, it's one of my favourite seasons, but it's such a shame that the show took such a big nose-dive in season 7-8 and nothing will ever beat the first few seasons for me. Whether you want to give the rest of the series a chance again or not is totally up to you and valid either way :)

[@saigie3908]

Glenn’s death was inevitable. It was a comic book death, plus, the actor (Steven Yeun) himself didn’t want to continue the show no more. It sucks but it was bound to happen

[@leviacronym6770]

Killing off Carl was the last nail in the coffin for me. Although I've never been a Carl fan, I understood how important he was to the series AND I was angry that they screwed over the actor. Gimple and company will tell you they did it for "story reasons", but in reality, they did it because Chandler Riggs was about to turn 18 and they didn't want to pay him more money because when child actors turn 18, their contracts have to be renegotiated. Riggs wanted to go to college, but they assured him he'd be on the show for at least another few years, so he put college off AND bought a house to be closer to the set. Then they killed his character. Riggs' father was furious and even came out and talked about the BS on social media. Also, I've read a good portion of the comics and yes, Carl is supposed to kind of take Rick's place. What also annoys me how Carol, who died early in the comics, remains alive no matter what because omg everyone loves her! I used to love Daryl, but the fans leave a bad taste in my mouth thinking "it's the daryl dixon show!" Which is also BS. I remember early on in TWD, during the Chupacabra episode, I was actually anxious for Daryl to survive. I *liked* being worried about him, but now, he's "unkillable" so nothing really feels right or worthwhile. There's nothing exciting about knowing these characters will never die or suffer something truly horrible. They're basically God-Modded and untouchable. If I had still been watching the show when Rick (Andrew Lincoln) left, I would have stopped then, too. He's a huge part of the show, and even my friend, who is NOT a Rick fan, says the show sucks without Rick. Man, I remember how much I loved this show and how we'd all chat about it. I honestly believe if they had kept Frank Darabont (the first show runner), the show wouldn't have derailed like it did.

[@LexieLouLou]

I watched this creator's other videos recapping TWD comics and show, and I was surprised to hear that there was a better idea for season 2 and they said no... Because of the BUDGET. The show had the biggest premier in TV history and they wouldn't greenlight a bigger budget?! I get why he left, that's literally ridiculous.

[@leviacronym6770]

@@LexieLouLou Yeah, if they had stuck with the first show runner, the show would have been better. I will always believe that.

[@anthonythomas1735]

@Lexie Lou, I agree that Darabont would have done a better job, I'm willing to overlook the Walker using a rock in order to smash the glass at the department store in Atlanta and a little bit later on the Walker that climbed over the fence pursuing Rick and Glenn, I just remembered that it irked me when Morgan's wife tried turning the door knob to gain entry to where he, Dwayne and Rick were hiding, I'm sure that there are many more things that the Walkers did early on but never repeated again in any later episodes. All of that aside, I really loved the show, I don't normally go for horror stories but Zombie/end of days stuff have always drawn me in, God damn you George A Romero!! 🧟‍♂️🧟‍♂️🧟‍♂️🧟‍♂️🧟‍♂️🧟‍♂️🧟‍♂️🧟‍♂️🧟‍♂️🧟‍♂️🧟‍♂️🧟‍♂️🧟‍♂️🧟‍♂️🧟‍♀️🧟‍♂️🧟‍♂️🧟‍♂️🧟‍♀️🧟‍♂️🧟‍♀️🧟‍♂️🧟‍♂️🧟‍♂️

[@leviacronym6770]

@@anthonythomas1735 I think the reason why the walkers didn't do those things again later on is because of different showrunners and perhaps writers. It is vexing when showrunners and writers get switched out for other people. It can totally change the tone and experience of the show, for sure. I think Darabont was trying to convey that the walkers still have some type reflex memory, sort of. That's why Morgan's wife would return to the house and shake the door knob. I kind of like that idea, makes them a bit scarier imo. The 1st season wasn't perfect but it was great and Darabont is good at what he does. It's a shame AMC decided to screw him over.

[@ShardelHaden]

Facts. I agree

[@slickninja2748]

The thing about killing Glenn and Abraham in one episode was that Glenn was the moral compass and brought this hopeful feeling to the show and Abraham imo was somewhat of a comedic relief and killing both of them off made the show feel really dull without their personalities their anymore

[@ianhill4585]

Abraham had the strength to be the new leader after Rick went.Ex military and a no nonsense attitude, if the actor chose to leave the role, that would be my only acceptable excuse for him not leading the group.

[@brosoul9323]

I think it's good as a way to show the viewer that bad shit happens and not everybody will survive it

[@mr.m2659]

@@brosoul9323 that's nice, but the story also ends there for a lot of people so why bother watching on? They've seen the conclusion of the character they were interested in

[@r0nnjr641]

But the season after Negan made it so good

[@homeFall1]

That was the last episode I watched as well... I just couldn't get over it.

[@ptreznov240]

Poor pacing around seasons 7 and 8 coupled with the god awful dialogue, bottle episodes, and weird character arcs that brought the show down (Carol not wanting to kill, Morgan being crazy then not then crazy again, etc) during the Gimple era are what ruined a lot of the show I believe.

[@mac4118]

Yea it was Scott’s fault but they made the dialog so fuckin weird for no reason first 4 seasons everyone talked like a normal human being but after that ppl started trying to be poets by tryin to talk “deep” but it was just awkward

[@lilythepinkcat7523]

"Morgan being crazy then not crazy again" SO TRUE BAHAH

[@TheAngelmuse]

Yup, thats when I dropped off too. Barely watched S7 and completely checked out of S8 early. Scott Gimple really threw his ego and weight around. Its like he didn't want to listen to the comics or fan base. For whatever reason. Well whatever, I have no clue what has happened since S7.

[@gamefan987]

@@TheAngelmuse the show got better

[@vinielsner1148]

So true, same for me.

[@Clearanceman2]

It became the Negan show. Also, it became hopeless. It started out terrifying but fun. I bailed out in season 8, it just wasn't any fun and it didn't have any hope. It appeared they were all going to die no matter what they did in gruesome ways. Plus the zombies became background, like an irritant instead of being a major danger.

[@sakuraneko2595]

YES! I watched it all and the later seasons are Negan being redeemed despite him being shown as a sadistic maniac and making it out like the characters are the ones who are the villains now. I became quite bored without the main cast and the story felt like it was going very slow at times.

[@anovaguy]

I just finished the series, and I grew to really like Negan. I hated how long-winded his speeches were in the beginning and even fast forwarded a lot of his monologues. I wonder how I'd feel on a rewatch.

[@sakuraneko2595]

@@anovaguy lmao yeah I also hated how much he was the victim when it was him that had killed Glenn and it surprised that Maggie won't talk to him.

[@finchy77finch79]

I agree I hate how everyone likes negan cause he redeemed himself although he’s an awful person still

[@machocomacho9312]

1. Gimple 2. Slower, less frightening walkers 3. Interesting characters like Shane (and many others from seasons 1 & 2) killed off 4. Later loss of Glenn, Abraham, and even Rick 5. I personally preferred focusing on about 20 characters struggling to survive (early seasons) as opposed to something like 200, many who I fail to connect with or view as having uninteresting story lines.

[@Queen3210]

1. Absolutely agree, 100%. 2. I suppose, though it is nice to see Zombies in a Zombie themed television show, even occasionally. 3. Honestly, I'm the opposite; certain characters should have died ages ago, but for the fact that they are main characters and people want them to stay alive (Carol and Daryl for starters). 4. 100% agree with you about Rick; I honestly believe they should have kept the deaths of Abraham and Glenn separate, as Glenn's death at Negan's hands held so much more significance in the comics than they did in the show (for me; sharing that death between two characters lessened it for me). 5. I love the struggle to survive, so I would agree with this but for the fact that the show deviated far too much from the comics. I enjoyed that journey better than the show. *thumbs up for you*

[@kyleturner7309]

Shane had to die early for his negative character arc to be completed properly.

[@machocomacho9312]

@@kyleturner7309 I understand where you're coming from as far as Shane is concerned. Good point.

[@AmbyJeans]

@@kyleturner7309 it was still kinda sad to see him go, he was a fun bad guy

[@kyleturner7309]

@@AmbyJeans Oh yeah for sure. Honestly some of the best writing I’ve seen from TWD and I honestly would’ve loved for him to stay, but he wouldn’t be remembered as fondly if he did tbh. Negan is great as well though.

[@waynewheeler6678]

I agree with a lot of people here, it used to be a dirty, creepy, never know what's going to happen zombie survival show. Then it just changed. I'll never forget when I first started watching it the opening credits used to give me an eerie vibe and goosebumps. It was gritty and didn't pull any punches

[@pastrami00]

The opening scene of the show was awesome when Rick had to shoot the little girl zombie in the face. Right there you knew it was gonna be a different type of show.

[@Nihilianth]

The quality of the film itself. I mean, the actual film. As you said, "gritty." There was a certain.....quality to the picture, especially the first few episodes of Season 1.

[@Crudecraig]

It went woke and went broke, they give you 2-4 good episodes a season to keep you interested, killing zombies became like popping a balloon and they got comfortable and started to tell us about feelings etc rather than just surviving.

[@theprinceoftides6836]

@@Crudecraig BINGO. Nailed it.

[@stefanmellstrom9096]

That's spot on how I see it and experienced the show from the beginning.

[@DesertEagle093]

It really just boils down to it going on too long. The show peaked for me at around Season 3-5, and should have ended by Season 6 or 7 tbh. Its just an ongoing cycle of the group finding a safe spot (Farm, Prison, Alexandria), then encountering a new enemy (Governor, Negan, Whisperers), with a bunch of main characters dying, while new ones replace them. The fact that only 2 characters from the first season are still alive in the show kinda shows that its just going on too long.

[@pr4208]

Hardcore disagree. I started losing interest when Rick disappeared and they didn't bother to add any backstory. Totally ruined it. Carl dying was also a huge let down. And then the guy he gave his life for that had medical training and potential was killed abruptly as well? HUGE turnoff. People enjoy main characters, and when they're taken away, especially with no kind of meaningful purpose, it ruins it. I can understand your point about shows that go on too long and lose spice, but IMO there was more potential there that could've kept it more relevant. Poor choice of decisions/unfortunate events, IMO

[@thee_morpheus]

Peak WD was 1-4

[@calessel3139]

Exactly!

[@FelixTwo22]

The Walking Dead tv show is based off of the comic book called The Walking Dead, that lasted from 2003 to 2019, and it's been adapting the stories from it in order. The show and comic are about humanity adapting to a new world without civilization or governmental structures, so logically, you would need a very long series to effectively show humanity's progression (or devolution) over a long period of time. If you take a surface level view of any show, it will seem repetitive, but it's important to know that the Rick that you first see in episode one, isn't the same one that makes it to the prison. The Rick that makes it to the prison, isn't the one that makes it to Alexandria. The show isn't about them going from one safe place to another and encountering bad people along the way. It's about what happens to them throughout that journey, and how the experience changes and corrupts them, and discovering whether or not they can come back from it, or if they're too far gone

[@gdottothegamer1001]

And that's why Telltale stopped their walking dead series at season 4

[@Afish8me2china]

I feel we all died when Glenn was killed, it was a massive blow. Carl was an interesting mistake, I liked him, he was fun, but I did not expect killing him off. He really needed to live. Rick was the biggest mistake, Rick and Carl were equally main characters, and Daryl is the co-main character. You couldn’t kill off them both and remain a series without growing a new main character. And in a way, they did, with Negan, but they didn’t give Negan enough time to grow as a character. Personally, I think the end of season eight, with Rick sitting under the tree, saying how his mercy prevails over his wrath. With some tweaking, it could have been the perfect ending

[@stephenaspliff3763]

Who gives af about Glenn

[@Metalllians86]

​@@stephenaspliff3763 we all do bud haha.

[@Metalllians86]

Dude..rick shouldve just end him right then there.😂. Really, Negan seems he got lucky more than rick and the gang. Like one coincidence to antoher.

[@SamucaWaves2024]

​@@stephenaspliff3763 I'm like that too, I only care about him because pf Maggie.

[@PuddleofOJ]

Always have felt the same way that it should’ve been ended season 8 with Rick under the tree. Would’ve been more epic for Rick to take carls death and it be Carl under the tree for the last scene

[@avsthvtic]

For me, it was Rick leaving. He was the heart of the show. No matter how much I loved the rest of the cast, he is who I tuned in to see. He is the character I wanted to watch face the hard times.

[@sicksee5450]

I tried watching after Rick left but it just wasn't the same. Then they tried to make Judith into some kind of superhero it just didn't work for me. Maybe one day I'll finish watching the series

[@annahappen7036]

Same! I love Carol and Mishone and Daryll but Rick was the absolute heart of the show. It was his evolution and story that it all began with.

[@UnkkRell]

^^ THIS 🎯

[@handsomeX]

I stopped watching shortly after Glen died.

[@Kraken9911]

Andrew Lincoln made his name famous through this show. I get he's from England but wouldn't he want to move his family to America and see his legacy through to the end? I guess at some point even the buckets of cash they were throwing at him wasn't enough.

[@diorlipglossxo3981]

I miss the earlier seasons when it was invested with a actual apocalypse and how the zombies are / act I wish we got more in depth about how it all began

[@daisyfuller9426]

honestly same

[@themr84]

Yeah and honestly, my favorite scenes were the risky looting moments where there is high risk but high reward. I might be biased because of TWD S&S because that was my first interaction with the franchise, but combat scenes felt lame because they were so inconsistant. Some times Rick's crew would hit every shot, but then in the next episode miss like 20 each. Towards season 6, the focus of scavenging and looting wasn't really shown and probably should have, especially during their long road trip to DC. Glenn was also the only other reason why I enjoyed the first couple seasons a lot. Seeing a character that was cut off in TWD Telltale and seeing him in the show was nice because I enjoyed his short view time in that game. I still enjoy the concept of the franchise, but now the only thing that interests me anymore is the new saints and sinners chapter...

[@coletroutman1060]

Funny enough, the S1 finale, TS-19 is the only time we really get into the “apocalypse” side of things. That was always one of my favorite episodes. In one of the later seasons, I heard one of the show runners (forget exactly who) say they regret doing that episode and wish it had never happened. I was like.. wtf. That’s literally where the story should have actually ended up focusing..

[@Logan912]

That's kinda what it hinted towards in the early seasons. However, the issue with it is the fact that it's an adaptation of the comic series, and the comics always focused on humanity and trying to rebuild society while the zombies were just the background. So, the show does get kinda jarring comparing the early seasons with the later seasons that way.

[@frostmusicofficial]

The thing about this is, the show as well as the comics were never about the zombies, it has always been a character drama *set* in the zombie apocalypse.

[@matthewpatrick7263]

I think the show began declining when they gave Beth her pointless death only for Noah, who she was trying to protect, to die the most brutal death the series showed up to the point, only a handful of episodes later. Main character deaths need meaning.

[@DenverStarkey]

yeah beth's death was so fucking pointless. even if you take out the context of how noah bit the dust later. it just seemed like they wanted her off teh show so BAM now she is gone. also it made her otu to be a total dumbass in how she went about it.

[@Angel-lt1sh]

Agree

[@noendline777]

My biggest problem with the series was the cliché of the evil group: every time we see Rick's group meeting an evil group, killing it, going somewhere to live and see that place taken by the walkers. After season 4 or 5, I didn't even feel the threat of the walkers. They became just a background and a useful tool to kill with idiotic strategies some characters without thinking too much about the plot. "Character X has been bitten, end of the story", like happened to Carl. I wasn't angry after Glenn's death because I wanted to know who Negan was. And I can say that I have been enthusiastic about him, after 2 seasons I haven't enjoyed (5 and 6). But The Saviors were really horrible as an evil group, they weren't even characterized, they were the "idiot & evil excuse" to run another evil group vs Rick's group fight. Boring. And Negan wasn't going to kill either Rick or Carl, it was just a bluff. So I stopped watching the show with season 8, with Carl's death. All the issues about the series have started in the 3rd-4th season, but they never fixed them, so they accumulated and ruined the franchise. Shame, because Negan was my favorite character in TWD and for sure one of my favorite characters I have ever seen in a tv series.

[@atomic5514]

Agreed, that is definitely a reoccurring theme in The Walking Dead regarding villains. You arrive at a seemingly peaceful settlement, you are sceptic at first but eventually you get to trust the people. After awhile, you discover some dark secret which is often not that big of a deal and certainly not your problem. Suddenly, you want to terminate every single person from that community and destroy the place by any means necessary. Then, you obviously win, and let the whole place get overrun by walkers.

[@robertmejia7063]

You're smoking meth season 5 and6 are the best of the series.

[@jaime_1660]

I'm only watching for Daryl and Negan at this point.

[@jarrodedson5441]

And so far season 11 ain't doing them justice

[@lynnereyes5125]

Me too

[@twilightgardenspresentatio6384]

Daryl and carol for me but they need more zombie action

[@davidvandenbos3638]

Isn’t everyone?

[@Juanma_Cardona0725]

Same here

[@Nidle4321]

Biggest loss was definitely losing Rick, than Glenn, Carl, Michonne ,Abraham . I would have liked seeing Merle a bit longer .

[@SarahBrown-mg6cy]

Michonne didn't die?

[@Nidle4321]

@@SarahBrown-mg6cy no she left to “look” for Rick

[@Wehndigo]

Since they didn’t follow the comic as tightly they should have kept Shane a little longer as well. Jon bernthal played him amazing

[@jiveassturkey8849]

Merle was the best character on the entire series

[@sheepstarimojo4146]

@@Wehndigo they did Shane died after 6 pages in the comics

[@mkwsoxfan]

They were fairly short sighted with the killing of Carl, which in my opinion caused Andrew Lincoln (Rick) to lose his drive and leave the show, which caused Danai (Michonne) to also leave the show. Carl was supposed to be the future, but the production of the show was such that he aged faster than the story, which could have been mended with the eventual time skips that they applied after his character died anyway. It was easy for me to picture rick's vision for the communities in the future even if Rick wasn't around, it is less easy for me to picture Rick's vision for the future without his son who he was fighting for being there.

[@Hardrive2677]

Fairly short sighted is an understatement.😂😂 it’s literally the main reason Andrew and Danai are gone. Rick has no purpose without Carl. Even with Judith. Rick was supposed to pass the torch to his son. Instead both characters were removed from the story. Absolutely tragic for the walking dead to end this way.

[@mkwsoxfan]

@@Hardrive2677 if the movies prevent Rick from returning to the main show for the finale because of plot issue I will see the conclusion as a failure. Now don't get me wrong I don't foresee a perfect happy ending in a show like this, but writing characters out in a cheesy way like they did only for them never to return is an insult to the fans of the show. IMO rick (and subsequently Michonne) should have been killed off if their only purpose for not getting killed off was to milk their characters in a movie trilogy

[@Hardrive2677]

@@mkwsoxfan totally agree with everything you said. If Rick and Michonne don’t get resolution in the main show then they failed. I’m not looking forward to seeing it end any other way. At least Ricks last episode was decent I kinda look at that episode as the ending.

[@GlamprinceRockking]

@@Hardrive2677 if he returns to the series before it ends...ill never finish it.

[@mrsgtshepardxd6193]

Agreed AND Literally right around the corner was 10 year time jump, So Carl would have been the proper age to keep going?

[@elizaking1843]

Watching videos like this makes me realize how much I still overall love The Walking Dead. The moment that I stopped watching the show was when they killed Carl. I never considered Carl to be my favorite character but you don’t know what you have until it’s gone and that was the case for Carl Grimes.

[@babynyxe4784]

This is so true, I literally roasted Carl every episode because I thought he was annoying but cried like a baby on his death

[@jayrene429]

And how did carl shoot himself to prevent himself from becoming a walker ? Was this after he died from his injuries or right before cuz wouldn't he have turned after he died

[@poindexter3135]

Glenn's death was the start of the downfall, and Carl's death was the last straw. Glenn's death works in the comics, but in the show he was a lot more universally loved and they somehow managed to make it even MORE brutal than the comics. It's a lot different when you see the character alive and breathing rather than on a page, and they really just went too far. And of course, Carl's death was just braindead. Why would you kill off the future of the show, literally the main character's whole purpose. From day 1 Carl was the future, and they ruined it. I'll never forgive Gimple for D&Ding this (former) amazing show.

[@timmyboy9140]

Glenn needed to die brutally - they couldve put someone else in his place though. It was the horrible dragged out seasons that followed the season 7 premiere which ruined the show - they f'ed up the Negan storyline completely

[@matthewbrantner798]

they didn't go "too far". does no one remember noah being ripped apart against plexiglass in front of glenn? how about dale's chest getting ripped open in season 2? no, we just went too long with plot armor for the mains, and everyone forgot what it was like to have a character die that you actually gave a fuck about. the problem with glenn's death was, it didn't mean anything. his death has more bearing on the show now with the negan maggie rivalry, like a decade later, than it had in its direct aftermath. they claimed on the talking dead that season was about who died and how much it affected the group. glenn could have lived, abraham still died, negan threaten to cut off carl's hand and everything would be exactly the same. these people forgot how to tell a story, and fell in love with the smell of their own farts after the show took off. and it certainly didn't help we were all so obsessed with the show we were willing to watch a spin off, and a weekly aftershow for both the main show and the spinoff, that was equal in length to an episode of said show just to get a drip from the next episode and stroke their egos.

[@poindexter3135]

@@matthewbrantner798 i 100% agree with you, but they most definitely went too far. to have one of the characters from the first season whos pretty much the heart of the show die in the most gruesome way possible is a lot more than any other death. they drew it out longer than in the comics, had negan taunting him and the group the whole time while half of glenn's head is smashed in still alive and making manic noises, all while the whole core group and his pregnant wife watches. if you've read the comics you'll realize that every single bit of it is more brutal than the comics. the famous panel of glenn's head and eye on the ground was worse with him STILL breathing and twitching. you might be numb to it but it most definitely is too much for most casual fans. you cant just kill off one of the most beloved characters the way they did and expect people to be okay with it, you get so emotionally attached to a character and they go out like that, its the worst thing to do to fans. but yeah, its a shame they didnt realize how much glenn meant to fans and just killed him for pure shock value.

[@Nuvizzle]

I dunno I think the problem with Glenn's death is that they did that stupid fake-out death for him, and then doubled down by not only having the person Negan kills in Season 6 be a CLIFFHANGER, but then doing the double fake-out of Negan killing Abraham, just so that even people who knew how Glenn died in the comics would think for a moment "oh wow are they really not going to kill Glenn?" only for Negan to then kill him as well. The entire way they dealt with killing off Glenn felt like they were writing purely for emotional manipulation and shock value, not for the sake of a good story. It was a pathetically transparent grab for ratings on the season premier and I think it obviously backfired on them because people saw right through it.

[@sheena171]

At that point I was over Glenn. Him and Maggie’s storyline was just annoying.

[@professorobvious.5957]

Every badass moment was made my Rick. (The Red machete, burning a barn full of walkers, escaping terminus.) there hasn’t been moments like that since they arrived at Alexandria. Right now I’m only watching to see how it ends

[@caylaclanton6074]

Agreed! Rick and the group were gory, cruel, Ice cold-hearted, just kill anyone they came in contact with! Hard survival, losing people everytime they turned around, chop your limb off quick if you were bit and hoped you survived cuz you were gna die anyway.. just BRUTAL savages!!! Until they settled down in the town and basically became civilized again and didn't have to live that way anymore.. That's when we lost the group we all fell in love with! I wish they would have followed that story line a bit longer because those seasons were all about showing the gruesome, inhuman things people were capable of after the collapse of civilization! I hope the Rick movies bring back some of that too

[@west-Co_exploration]

There were a core group of characters from the beginning of the show that I was attached to. My interest was purely in seeing how they managed to survive. When it became obvious that the entire crew would be replaced by a whole lot less interesting characters I had absolutely no reason to continue to watch what became an incredibly boring and repetitive show. By the time neegan came along he was simply tedious. Couldn't wait to find something better to watch

[@leob4403]

Honestly it has been extremely hard to find any drama tv show that lives up to the quality of the first 5-6 seasons of TWD, the first 5-6 seasons of GoT and all 7 seasons of Sopranos. Did you find anything?

[@west-Co_exploration]

@@leob4403 you're right. But the last seasons are total letdowns. Fringe, Person of interest and Grimm all came very close. justified and Longmeier were the best

[@marklar75]

We already had a cast of unlikeable characters on the spinoff show, why turn the main series into a pale imitation of even that?

[@iamrayn]

@@west-Co_exploration how would you know the last seasons are a let down if you stopped watching? If you knew anything about The Walking Dead, you would realize they follow the comics, and the group settling down was the direction the comics went. Doesn't make sense for them to keep roaming from place to place. The interaction between other factions, and the fact that other surviving groups are threats, is nowhere near repetitive. What WOULD BE repetitive is nothing but zombies. That being said, the show DID lag slightly in season 7, with all the Negan and Rick back and forth drama, but since then, the show has nearly returned to its former glory. Feel free to disagree, but remember that is just your opinion.

[@west-Co_exploration]

@@iamrayn And this is simply your opinion. From your video it's obviously you're a fanboy and no matter what happens you cannot be dissuaded. But the numbers show that the show tanked and they're begging people to come back. It's not happening though because people were disgusted by what happened in later seasons. I could care less about the comics. I don't read comics. I enjoyed the characters that were created at the beginning of this show and when they killed them all off the show ended for me. Simple

[@titantv9496]

Without a doubt it was once they reached Alexandria (even though it could have somewhat resembled what Alexandria is actually like) there were more people than undead and everyone just sat around talking about their feelings. They totally blew it!

[@firedrake7663]

The writing declined. Also preferred the show when it was very much a “living vs dead” situation, with the group moving around from place to place. As soon as the Saviours came into play, that all changed. And for the worse.

[@nathangarnett9476]

Kind of has turned back into living vs the dead. It got alot better after the saviours trust me

[@nathangarnett9476]

@@mrgray5576 Then obviously you don't watch it

[@nathangarnett9476]

@@mrgray5576 your opinion

[@sheena171]

Too many characters added that no one cares about.

[@nathangarnett9476]

@@sheena171 Who? Only people I can see anybody not caring about is the new group I only care for connie out of them

[@dieseluk2k]

Rick biting Joe's throat and later Carol taking down terminus by her self was the absolute peak

[@gfilmer7150]

I agree, the Season 4 finale and the first three episodes of Season 5 are the peak.

[@alexparidon9]

@@gfilmer7150 season 7 episode 1 was also the most viewed episode of all time

[@gfilmer7150]

@@alexparidon9 Views ≠ story

[@CaptainCherry69420]

@@gfilmer7150 Seriously, S05E01 was THE BEST episode in the entire show in my opinion. It just blew my mind honestly, I had to rewatch that instantly

[@gfilmer7150]

@@CaptainCherry69420 Yeah, that plus the A and Four Walls and A Roof were the hoeght

[@horrorexploration2061]

The decline of the walking dead is very simple. The writing and choices in the avenue shock value. This started way before people say it does. There is so many things that happen just to happen. Terminus is an example of that. The first big one I remember though is that they had the arc of beth and her getting taken to the hospital. It was set up over a good amount of episodes and we even got to meet some new characters and have a new branch explored. It wasn't my favorite at all but it was setting itself up for beth to have something to do and to get back with the group. So they go through all of that and get to beth and are exchanging her over and even get Noah who I liked and thought was interesting, just for her to stab her while she's already getting brought back and get shot in the head? That whole arc and extra time spent with her was for nothing. Then we get Noah and he's not very fleshed out, he's interesting sure but his backstory was forced because of the fact they kill him off not even a season later when he was the placeholder for a main character we lost over an arc that didn't even matter in the first place. Then there were the glen fake-out deaths which was some of the worst writing they could have displayed. He gets two fake out deaths and we learn he has a baby on the way just to die. Terrible writing. They kill characters for no reason but shock to keep you "jarred" but it doesn't work. The nail in the coffin was the death of Carl. He was killed in the dumbest way possible for a newer character that died shortly after he was saved. This probably made the actors lose their drive and is probably the reason for the departure of rick and michonne. It was some of the most infuriating television i have ever watched and have stopped watching since that very episode. I hear the leaving or deaths of character and some arcs but it means almost nothing to me. I have heard from many that since carl died there has not been a significant rhyme or reason to any part of the show and I can see how.

[@J0MBi]

Yeah, agreed. Tbh I stopped watching it even before Carl died. I just finaly realised that the few moments I did enjoy were far outweighted by the amount of time I spent watching it and either cringing, bored or annoyed at how stupid the characters were.

[@thenopant]

Interesting take. I personally loved that Beth hospital part as it was the first time in the show I experienced the same level of shock the comics provided. It really just broke my heart to see how horrible things can get so quick. It was a really well acted scene too so I loved it but to each their own.

[@J0MBi]

@@thenopantnot dissing you for enjoying it - the show had it's moments here and there but there was no central idea to any of it, just a depressing nihilistic soap opera of violence and misery. Robert Kirkman totally ripped off George A Romero, lock stock and barrel, but he never had any original ideas or anything to say. Never even paid tribute to Romero when he died or acknowledged that he owed every single aspect of The Walking Dead to Romero's work.

[@nickyjames1985]

So simple...700words later

[@d00glebear]

Also Noah was the reason Tyrese got killed. Never liked him after that and he died shortly after anyway

[@ryanh4975]

Rick and Carl are gone. Everyone else could have died, but you don't kill those two off. The reason I fell in love with this show was because I was invested into their characters.

[@Tommykey07]

It got tiring seeing the same pattern of the group wandering, encountering a band of deranged villains, eventually overcoming them, settling down for a while, then moving on, encountering another band of psychos, lather, rinse, repeat. And then the cast becoming bloated with too many characters that we don't care about. I stopped watching during Season 7.

[@rockybalboa4593]

The whole storyline with Negan dragged on for wayyyyyyy too long. Season 7 is what killed it for me too. I blew through seasons 1-6 in a binge. Watching seasons 7 and 8 felt like a chore and then torture to get through. Never even watched season 9 at all or anymore onward.

[@Sekushiwolf]

Not only that but they just landed on having an interesting enough first episode of the season, nothing between, maybe something kind of interesting at the mid-season finale. Then nothing for the latter half of the season only for a cliffhanger at the end to roll into the next season. Rinse repeat again.

[@stoneybologni89]

I completely agree, how does a biker gang survive but the military can't survive and get ambushed and are made to look like fools when introduced to the governor? It's a joke and the writer absolutely hates his main characters. Just look at invincible.

[@-BuddyGuy]

That may have been the worst season. The newer ones are actually ok. You nearly made it through the darkness.

[@James-777]

That's exactly why I stopped watching

[@richardclark1127]

I dropped off half way through season 5 when they killed Beth. Just felt like it was cheap that they just recently started to build her character and making her feel like part of the group after being a glorified babysitter for 2 seasons...just to fridge her so Darryl and Maggie are sad.

[@AbrasiousProductions]

season 5 was sooo boring.

[@kathrynck]

I wouldn't say killing off Beth was the sole reason i quit watching. I mean everything after season 2 felt like the last season of GoT. But killing Beth was the final reason. There's so few characters who were worth liking in the show. And everything after season 1 was a let-down. But killing off Beth immediately after I started to care about her character arc, was when I threw in the towel. It's weird how hollywood can take someone who very much "wants to like the show", and drive them away. I watched some after that, but it only got worse, and I didn't so much consciously stop watching, as just stopped having hope that 'the next episode' would be worth my time to watch.

[@dsamsooni4598]

With Beth, she was the most boring and underused character for a few seasons, but I really got excited to see what the show will do to her storyline and character development when they killed off Hershel and when they finally gave her a gun. It was exciting we're gonna get another "Carol" character. Then they killed her in the dumbest way possible and to save "Everybody hates Chris", then they killed him too a short time after that. Then they did that fake-out with Glen only to survive in the most unbelievable manner, then kill him off with the baseball bat. That's when I check out

[@thebadguychinli4011]

@@dsamsooni4598 Beth’s death was nothing special and that’s the thing missing from Walking Dead. Death in real life is sudden and always the last who we expect. Beth’s death was tragic because she was starting to become her own person having been forced into an environment where she finally had to fend for herself and that’s why her death is so sad. She was beginning to blossom but never fully got the chance to. Jeez.

[@bullymaguire7554]

Really? I forgot she's even a character until they killed her off. The worse part of her death, is that I simply didn't care enough for it to matter. Imo they should've killed the character off in season 3-4 instead of wasting screentime on her.

[@joshphilips5940]

Still holding on until the end. I enjoy the spin offs as well.

[@shschesschamp]

Me too, but I don't pay attention to the spinoffs anymore.

[@nathanjordon6950]

Fear was good for the first 4 seasons and then it got a bit boring but I'm still trying to watch through it to not miss anything worth watching. I also feel like Walking Dead had a bit of a rough patch from about 6 to 8 but 9 and 10 were a come back for me and obviously 11 is on going.

[@joshphilips5940]

@@nathanjordon6950 As much as i like Negan, i do agree that 6 to 8 was a lil rough. Surprisingly , Fear got better with each season for me. Well the finale for the last season felt a little off though i am looking forward to when i eventually watch the latest season

[@nathanjordon6950]

@@joshphilips5940 I was late to fear. I began watching earlier this year and I'm just past half way through season 5. I was getting through it pretty fast tbh but then around season 4 I slowed down and now I watch it every now and then. I think the problem is that the show slowly killed off my favourite characters. I found I followed Nick, Travis and Madison more than the others and all 3 of them got killed in the span of like 2 seasons which kind of put me off. I mean I suppose Morgan was a good new addition to the cast and I'm so happy to see the return of Dwight too but I feel like Morgan isn't the best for a lead role which I feel like they tried to make him.

[@nathanjordon6950]

@@joshphilips5940 Also, I love Negan as well and his redemption story has been really intriguing. I think they just dragged the whole depressing vibe on for far too long where they were basically enslaved by Negan. There was some good moments in there don't get me wrong.

[@KanohiVahi]

Carl was one of the most interesting characters in the show for me and it was amazing to see him during the war against Negan becoming more of his own character rather than being in Rick's shadow constantly. I feel like the reason he died was also really dumb. Especially because in the end the person he gave his life to save died later as well.

[@dstyer6128]

I left when they killed Glenn. They had toyed with our emotions on him for years and at least 2 little Glenn dying fakeouts. It seemed unnecessary and there was no other character to take up his mantle. There was this unbroken chain from Dale to Hershel to Glenn that pretty much served as the heart of the show and there was really no one that carried that torch when they offed Glenn, the show lost a LOT when they killed him off.

[@collinpeters2874]

Tbh u missed, imo, the best 2 seasons. I think neagan added some much needed life into the show. I think the show died after losing Rick. Losing Glenn and Abe made me want to watch the show even more. It made me want to see Rick get back at Neagan and drew me in.

[@randolm7698]

After the episode where Glenn and Abraham were killed Kirkman gave an interview where he kind of 'joked' that maybe it was too much for the fans... saying something like 'I guess we'll see'. Oops.

[@akantoch7617]

Very sad episode indeed and I even wanted to see more, who is Negan, how they gonna survive him, and what happens after that..... The Whisperers

[@kora4185]

Same with me and my group of friends. Everyone just thought it was a bit too much.. I’m now thinking about re-watching the whole thing once and for all cus I want to know how it ends (probably will skip this part though lol)

[@fawazgerhard2742]

Glenns death is good for me since it shows that plot armor doesn't apply, seeing plot armor in a movie, game, or comic series is just cringe and weird.

[@TommyGlint]

To get killed by slow moving zombies, the characters had to make stupid decisions on a regular basis. They had to have bad guys who were alive, but they became pretty boring and cut from the same cloth, tyrannichal psychos who sets up groups that prey on others. I simply lost interest after S5, or S6, I can’t even remember…

[@JohnRock14]

Tyrese getting killed by ninja zombies was awful

[@mileshunter8034]

Season 11 is really good though!

[@oneyedthing]

@@mileshunter8034 They have to be. They dont want to end up like Game of Thrones.

[@jamesrogers1554]

I agree with this 100%! I have to also throw in the fact that the editing became so poor that zombies would literally teleport from scene to scene. When your show has to resort to photographic trickery (in addition to terrible character decision making) to build suspense and danger then I fear you have already lost the plot.

[@gregoryrome2751]

When the group reached Alexandria, I was pleasantly surprised. The whole fish out of water thing was very interesting. How they reacted to clean homes, running water, and even haircuts was really cool.

[@teletronz]

It was a refreshing change to the show. More human interaction that can lead to more interesting dramas. Being on the road for years gets boring. I remember people complaining that "It's not even about the zombies anymore" and I'm like who cares. They're obstacles to be avoided at this point but don't provide the drama to make a show interesting.

[@jhaeck1]

@@teletronz thats another thing.....they kept changing how the dead moved and reacted........that was also dumb

[@rikiinexx2151]

@@jhaeck1 not really. one really interesting thing about twd for me is how the zombies progress throughout the years. the reason why they change so much is bc they’re decaying, meaning they move much slower and end up looking more like skeletons than anything. it’s been literal years in the show so it makes a lot of sense. i read somewhere that there will be a point where the walkers will never have to be a problem anymore bc they simply just walked themselves to death or decayed so much to even be considered any sort of walker.

[@thomastroster60]

@@rikiinexx2151 I don't think that's what he meant. In the series you see walker being so stupid that you can lead them wherever you want with just noises or fire. Yet if the situation (the writing) needed tension they suddenly were capable of hiding until the right moment or even ignore gunshots just to appear at the right moment. Sometimes walkers have been so loud you could hear them from outside of a building but if needed they could stealth bite their victims without a making a single grunt or at least footsteps. In the first season zombies were so strong, they could rip through horse skin with only their fingers. Later their bones broke just by falling. Then much later (and much more decayed) they could pull a grown man back into their crowd by his ankles. Edit: Even in the final episode there is a well decayed walker slamming a rock onto the glass wall of the hospital trying to break it. So at this point I think you can be sure, that the common KZbin fan theory of the walker problem solving itself by decay is bs.

[@jhaeck1]

@@rikiinexx2151 so they changed....like i said

[@cityinsect]

i left when glenn died. couldn't get over the anger of killing a 1st episode OG he was my favorite

[@Metalllians86]

Well said!!!

[@Kayvonix]

it literally happened in the comics and was the biggest moment when it happened...cmon now

[@cityinsect]

@@Kayvonix ?

[@Kayvonix]

@@cityinsect glens death was always going to happen if that was your last straw when it was in VOLUME 100 a milestone volume then you were never going to finish this show🤷🏽‍♂️

[@cityinsect]

@@Kayvonix i didnt even know there were comics homie

[@robertmoats1890]

The Walking Dead's soul was a story about a father struggling to raise his son in an apocalyptic world, and all of the challenges that go along with that. When Carl died, fans had to scramble to find new meaning. Then when Rick disappeared, most of us just gave up. Some of the remaining characters are great, but watching the show sort of feels like playing one of those open-ended role playing games after you've finished the main quest. There's no sense of purpose.

[@sawbasumner2171]

🎯🎯🎯

[@WriteMeASong7]

That is so well said 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 It’s exactly how I felt after Rick left. Didn’t see any point in sticking around.

[@supermodestmouse]

not only did rick leave, he got poochie'd out of there. There's writing him out of the show and burning the place down as you leave.

[@DanielSlva]

That's exactly how I felt about it. I watched all of the episodes on their premieres for 9 years, and after watching Rick's last episode on its premiere, I dropped the show for 2 years, and only came back to it when they were releasing season 11, around the 16th episode. I resumed where I left off and catched up with it. It got good after a while but it always felt like something was off and it wasn't the show I used to know and love.

[@PhantomPlayin]

Rick leaving was the main reason the show went down hill Rick was the heart and soul of the show.

[@kehnemdafriend]

you can really say that crap if you don't watch anymore. After Rick left, with the whisperers, TWD returned to its glory. First half of 11 is shaping the last season to be a great one. Even Lincoln said he went out at the wrong time. Stop...

[@mysteryace2129]

Rick was terrible and was the reason why season 2 and 3 are terrible. Terrible leader

[@TerroristMaster]

@@kehnemdafriend the whisperers were booooooooring

[@aidengoodrich5974]

@@kehnemdafriend truth, but the show was really terrible before

[@kehnemdafriend]

@@aidengoodrich5974 S7 and 8 pretty much coz you have to wait weekly. It was slow and dark, agreed.

[@Trekpanther]

The point for me was Glenn dying off, but that was the last straw on a building fatigue I had with the show up to that point. For me I got tired of the constant cyclical nature of the plot where group wanders to find shelter, villain or x threat appears, group gets pushed out, and then wander again. I didn't care that was how the comic played out, it got stale quickly without some sort of final endgame in sight. Zombies weren't the big omnipresent antagonist anymore, just window dressing for gore kills, and the villains weren't interesting enough to keep me watching.

[@alextheromanian]

glen was always gonna die. you cant claim to be a fan of the franchise and ignore its source material. the show was a far worse version of the graphic novels.

[@yayochapo7421]

@@alextheromanian fr the comic books were lit

[@sh1nji0]

Cringe Glenn stan, cope harder

[@khaalmalki4039]

@Manish Mims Pretty much.

[@Joe3pops]

The end started when they killed off Glenn and Abraham. Did you realize how much Abraham actor invested in his Gulf War-Panama infantry soldier? Carried M16A1 like a trooper. Little things like his speech, mannerisms, the way he wore khaki headband on night time raid. I was in the infantry for nine years and Abraham was the real deal. I think he did better than Glenn myself.

[@dideoluwaadebayo923]

I discovered the show on Netflix when I was in high school. Fell in love, binged everything and started watching live when season 4 premiered. All my friends and I would watch it together every Sunday, and it would be all we talked about at lunch through Wednesday. Then I missed like 2 back to back episodes deep into season 6 right before Negan was introduced because I was studying for the ACT or visiting colleges or something, had no idea what was going on, and effectively stopped watching. Classic example of a show becoming far too serialized and even long time viewers falling off after missing just one or two episodes.

[@satan899]

The first few seasons of the walking dead was about the zombies themselves. The characters never were able to stay in one location for to long as they were getting over run with walkers and the characters were always on the verge of getting over run. That was exciting to watch as you really felt like humanity was on the brink of extinction. As the show went on tho, the walkers were basically back ground noise. It became more about conflicts with humans and that’s when the series started to lose its entertainment value

[@rhysee_arts]

I stopped on season 6, and honestly the zombies getting in just got boring too. Things would be okay, then zombies would break in, then theyd go hide or run away or butcher them, the same type of people would die, and then someone in the main group would have a breakdown until they got over it and it happened all over again. i loved how it eventually became less about zombies and more about people (like the contrast between Rick's group and the people of Alexandria) and I honestly wish it ended there.

[@IAMRUSTEDROOT]

@@rhysee_arts Same here. Loved the show up until Season 6 and then I jumped ship. Haven't regretted it at all.

[@madquest8]

100% FACT.

[@mileshunter8034]

Season 11 is good because of how they're handling the human conflict. It's gotten to a point in the apocalypse where the walkers are the 'side' problem. People have established communities etc and want to have control. Walkers are still a risk absolutely but it's kind of realistic for lack of a better word

[@tomoflathead]

Not really. Both the comic and the show were always about human interaction in the worst of circumstances (i.e. a zombie apocalypse), not necessarily the zombies themselves. Too bad the writing got lazy past the first 5 seasons.

[@marcustulliuscicero9512]

Negan is holding the whole show together for me.

[@WesMaizter]

yeah same here, its a shame a lot of people left because of him

[@anakenryzenabad529]

No he's the one who destroyed the show

[@Capridog]

@@anakenryzenabad529 He’s not the only reason but okay.

[@AK-46]

That’s pretty funny because if you think about it the seasons where he was the main villain season seven and season eight or the worst seasons of The Walking Dead

[@Inessence4]

@@anakenryzenabad529 a lot of morons are drawn to his big dick energy despite his being an extremely poorly written character..

[@melg1621]

Reading others comments below I was reminded that my favorite episodes involved questions of morality and conscience. When Shane fed another guy to the zombies so he could get away. The best example and probably my favorite episode being Carol and the little girl, I think the episode was called "Look at the flowers". They made you think about what you would do? What can be excused by the end of the world? Later on that was kind of lost in all the carnage.

[@haziq12ish]

So true, the shane bit was beautiful

[@LonelyWolfJ]

I think you would love season 11

[@DownLow0099]

And the whole cannibal thing and Rick's revenge on them. That was fucking awesome.

[@thisbeem2714]

The Grove was my favorite episode. It was heartbreaking and beautiful. The whole “look at the flowers” scene haunted me.

[@doomgiant03]

What would’ve fixed the whole issue would’ve been Carl taking ricks place, and showing carls struggle to fill his dads boots

[@TheRealGara]

I wanted the ultimate enemy to always be the walkers. Seeing my favorite main characters surviving in that world and growing stronger. Once Negan came around it was always human enemies that took the focus. The walkers became more of an annoyance that posed little threat. I was just tired and bored of enemies always escaping and coming back to fight another day.

[@blazerdude89]

that's reality and this show portrays a relatively realistic apocalyptic world. other than zombies this is how humans are.

[@karthis5911]

I feel the same way, once the Negan plot really started is when I stopped watching the show. I get that it was like that in the comics too but I don't think it was nearly as good for the story of the show considering how many of us where around for the zombies.

[@subaruadventures]

same, it should change its name to "The Walking lets add more humans and forget about the dead"

[@RandomTrX]

Once Negan came? What about the governeur? Humans were always part of it.

[@CutieQueen25]

Agreed. I said the same thing.

[@maceface2892]

Season 8 is where they lost me. Killing off Carl, Rick having a clear shot at Negan with a machine gun and missing every shot, and a lot of other dumb stuff that season was the nail in the coffin for me

[@slowtalker]

Honestly, I couldn't stand Carl anymore. Rick's ways were what kept his group alive for that long. Carl was trying to change it. Rick's instinct to stay alive and fight was the magic of the show for me. He had the so needed attitude to solve the problems. Glenn's death hurt me a lot. Negan to me was good as an antagonist cause he made me hate him so much. But trying to show the other side of his background like some sort of redemption? Hell no, kill this man already and make him suffer! He gave more than enough reasons for that.

[@skoolynugenator1802]

Carl was one of the worst parts of the show. His acting was awful.

[@sh1nji0]

@@skoolynugenator1802 fr, comic Carl was superior in nearly every aspect

[@saltoftheegg]

Season 2 when they had the zombie in the well and acted like if they got him out they could drink the water, that’s what lost me. Shocked that this show even got to a third season let alone how ever many there are now.

[@patriot459]

Glen and Abrahams death was completely fine. Kirk man had already said he wasn’t happy with how Abraham died int he comics and I think this is actually a way better send off. Negan was also guna take him out since he was the strongest. For me honestly it was definitely Carl’s death that made me stop watching. Carl dying ruined the entire story and I absolutely hate Judith taking his place. We spent time with Carl and new his struggles and skills while her we literally know nothing about her since she was just a baby. There’s a million other things they’ve done now but glen and Abraham going out didn’t kill it for me it was mainly Carl then obviously Rick and so on.

[@j-brock7298]

If you really think Abraham was the strongest then your not very bright. Rick was the strongest even Abraham knew that

[@meatymartin2186]

@@j-brock7298 physically he was also he was the tallest negan also wouldn't kill the leader

[@MZillionYT]

@@j-brock7298 To Negan Abe was the strongest. He didn't cry or show fear when negan was waving the bat around. He just stood with anger and knew if he had to go he'll not let negan think he won

[@fatsal891]

@@j-brock7298 the thing is......Negan wouldn't not kill the leader lol

[@mrsgtshepardxd6193]

Season 7 episode 1 was beautiful episode narratively speaking. I had just finished reading the comics almost up to that episode. It went above and beyond my expectations. People who didnt like or understand it, simply couldn't figure out what the impacted was ment to convey to Rick and crew. Critics:" IT WAS MINDLESS TORTURE PORN".......uh no. Yes it was graphic but show NEVER stooped to that level of brutally since then. It was calculated and deliberate scene.

[@TukikoTroy]

There is really only one reason. US show runners have no idea how to end a show, so they just keep making worse and worse episodes until the viewers get sick of it.

[@7eh8irdman]

I began to lose interest around season 5, when Beth died. Building her up into a more interesting character, just to off her in a really abrupt manner, annoyed me to no end. Then season 6 happened and it just got worse. There were so many things that made me go, "Well, that was stupid!"

[@hmcpimpslap480]

Yeah that really pissed me off too!😒

[@AlphaDog-ri8lk]

@@hmcpimpslap480 that scalpel only got a little bit of the officers skin so which then prop the officer to shoot her in the head out of nowhere. Very stupid

[@adrianwilliams4095]

This! This is exactly when I started to lose interest in the show. Beth’s death was so unnecessary :(

[@marklar75]

The first seasons had me hooked. Rick waking up in a drastically changed environment, alone and in danger really resonated with me. Finding community and surviving on the road was interesting, life on the farm not as much. Negan was a great character (as well as Simon) but the 2 seasons were painful and frustrating to watch. By the time we had those stupid people in the zombie suits whispering to each other and the invincible amazons I just couldn't suspend disbelief any longer and just stopped watching. The desire to find out what would happen next was just gone.

[@d8l835]

The whisper shit is stupid. You put a mask on and now the zombies dont eant to eat you?? Wtf. How stupid. I mean the covering yourself in zombie guts was a stretch too, but made a little sense...a mask? So f'n dumb

[@fireraid9173]

the what? I stopped after Glen died so I must have missed some crazy shit (which glen dying was certainly not the only reason I stopped watching)

[@shaymorcormick8743]

Conked out mid season 2. Was already seeing how it was just going to be a ridiculous drama show with lots of got ya moments and a few good deaths. Tried to get back in and found you can just watch the first and last 2 episodes and not really miss anything from that season.

[@Stribog1337]

I stopped watching at the zombie cosplayer arc

[@xXSpartanwarrior420x]

@@Stribog1337 well you’re all about to miss Daryl getting shot by some punk ass rich kid…..definitely missing out 🤷‍♂️…oh and in TWD universe, money is a thing again✊🏼

[@neverenoughguitars8276]

There were many reasons but I think the biggest one was "sadness fatigue". There was just too much tragedy and despair and people got tired of it regardless of how realistic it may or may not have been. When people really start to love characters you want them to succeed and find happiness at some point with dips of sadness here and there to keep things interesting but the show just had too much adversity and despair.

[@1986Unlimited]

That's a big one for me. No catharsis for anybody.

[@ryanbeltran9413]

Yeah I feel like producers and even fans glorified and pushed for character me to die. It’s annoying because the show is unrealistic regardless so people surviving even it seems impossible shouldn’t have hurt the show like people always said when someone died. I still believe killing Dale, Andrea, and even T- Dog, Hershel, and Beth hurt the show long term. The show drastically depleted its main cast and neglected the original story and went too much into the comics and forcing new stories. I think it hurt what made the snow great which was its storytelling, characters and their journey, and zombies survival which was also forgotten.

[@MrHereWeGoYo]

Great point.

[@notkevin356]

There was too much sadness and depressing events going around and TWD decided to kill off the literal 2 people that kept their humanity and positivity at the same exact time. What a dumbass move lmao

[@jonesaundre3]

Well every character can't succeed, the show would be boring, Tragedy was what made TWD great, the show died because of no creativity and weak plots and the new writer's way too goofy and just sucks, you must have never read the comics.

[@eadaoinl]

I actually am really interested in what would have happened if Lori lived. I know a ton of people considered it for Glen, Carl, Merle, Hershel and other mains from the early days but I think Lori's death was not really that good. It felt very predictable and kind of like they had finished using her for Rick's arc so she had to go. Seeing her relationship with Rick change from possibly romantic to platonic, adapting to the new world in a way where she's not background support and has a bit more independence and seeing how her character could grow would have been really cool. I fully believe she had potential for a dope character arc but was just used to facilitate others, like Shane, Rick, Carl and Judith's stories.

[@virsapiensfortisest922]

Each time they took out a character that was the ‘heart’ of the group it was a gut punch. These were all people that had morals and good nature, not just muscle power. -Dale -Hershel -Glen -Morgan- left -Carl -Rick -Maggie left -Michone gone to look for Rick The show is just a hallow shell now. No heart.

[@broke123]

I never gravitated to Negan or his back story. Negan's character went on and on and on for me and I lost interest. I haven't seen it in years. I preferred the show when it was about surviving a zombie apocalypse, not an unbelievable tough guy who in a world with guns carries around a baseball bat yet people with guns were afraid of him.

[@mateusmeireles449]

Yeah, right? In the comics he's a tough villain alright, but after the All Out War things evolve and the mythology moves on. I think the only thing more disappointing about the show than Negan's writing after S8 was the portrayal of the Whisperers. They completely mishandled Alpha's character, she went from a menacing figure to just plain repulsive. The actors in both cases were great, writing just went bad.

[@robertanderson9460]

Especially since there were a lot of people who complained some about how the governor plot seemed to drag and that was shorter and still had the hype train full speed behind the show

[@WesleyWyndam-Pryce]

Negan is annoying as all hell. Sopposively he's better in later seasons but the fact he's still breathing shouldn't even be a thing.

[@katie7390]

I really enjoyed negan's character (mainly because jeffrey dean morgan is a fantastic actor) but you're right, it got stale when there would be "villains" in the show

[@DenverStarkey]

@@mateusmeireles449 me personally i think the whisperers should have been actual "smart" zombies . they could have been behind why hordes gather in such massive numbers at times. and it would have made Zombies a real threat again. would have been a far better story than just more ding bat crazies dressing up like zombies.

[@faktor1147]

It started with a really gritty depiction of a zombie apocalypse. You generally bought the premise and the characters behaved as you would expect the average person to act in those circumstances. The writing then just deteriorated massively, the core stars left or died and you were left with a cast of characters you didn't care about saying stupid stuff and doing stupid things

[@AFuller2020]

The show is a big dumpster fire with crap numbers.

[@memawknowsbest4978]

This show lost me fairly early on, just 3-4 seasons in, maybe 5. Too many stupid decisions and killing off the people who would have lived in reality and letting the stupid and weak survive. And that was after accepting that Rick didn't die in the hospital where he was left for an unknown amount of time without anyone to change his IV, which would mean no antibiotics and no fluids, no bandage changes, nothing. He should have just died, if not from infection then from dehydration.

[@ciarajones4970]

@@memawknowsbest4978 there is a webisode series that are made by AMC. That links in with the hospital at the start of the apocalypse that Rick was in. It's called The Oath, give it a watch it might clear some things up to why Rick survived in the hospital.

[@memawknowsbest4978]

@@ciarajones4970 If there was an explanation they should have included it in the show. And as I said, I still watched multiple seasons before I gave up on it.

[@corneliuscrewe677]

Spot on.

[@khaliljames6543]

I think another thing that killed the show was their journey on staying good people. You see in the comics killing wasn't a bad thing necessarily, but in the show they kill a person like Gareth and they gotta question their whole humanity, and this became a repetitive thing in the later seasons.

[@JosephKulisics]

I guess that for me, the show stopped being interesting when the zombie plague appeared to fade entirely into the background. In earlier seasons, with the governor and terminus, the zombies were still a critical part of the story. If they weren't the foreground threat, you always had the sense that the foreground threat grew directly from the pressure of the continuous, grinding threat of the zombies, the plague that literally wouldn't die. By Alexandria, you could almost forget that the zombies were around, and they became something more like an obligatory part of the stories, a part of no real, remaining significance, or even a joke as for example, when Glenn survived a zombie onslaught in a cliffhanger by sliding under a dumpster. (I haven't watched in awhile, so I may remember the details incorrectly. In any case, I remember a lot of people being outraged at the cheap and manipulative ploy; when Glenn escaped the zombies, they stopped being threats.) When the zombies no longer reliably killed people and stopped being anything more than a writing convenience for giving a shocking end to a character, the series lost its dreadful, background tension, and it became more like a soap opera.

[@kenduffy5397]

I can understand your point of view. A lot of people feel the same way. Unfortunately, if a Zombie apocalypse actually did happened? After 10-12 years the only people that would still be alive are killers, murders, rapists, thieves etc. The most disgusting people in our society would benefit. Unless you’re a part of a civilized group and you have each other’s backs. So I actually like the fact that the Zombies are the least threatening over disgusting human beings like Pedophiles, Killers and rapists. Also, think about it? History tells to use that a certain type of race was almost extinct by that f…ing piece of S…T lunatic Reinhard Heydrich & his mass Murdering of Einsatzgruppen Units A, B, C, D that followed behind the Wehrmacht in the Eastern theatre during the war of annihilation in the East against the Poles, Jewish, Gypsies, Communist, Russians, Soviet soldiers, etc etc etc. Almost made parts of the Baltics “Judenfrei” (I’m a military historian & my field of expertise is the Holocaust (especially in the West) I am extremely familiar with the Eastern theatre of the Holocaust but that’s not my “exact” field of expertise. The point I brought that up, because in real life? It would be possible to make a place completely Zombie free with just a few stragglers showing up occasionally. The real danger after 10-14+ years in or longer. Would be all of the types of people I mentioned above. So I’m glad it’s more about Psychopaths than Zombies. (Glenn fell and the Zombies ate his Buddy that pulled Glenn down with him but landed on top of Glenn & as the Zombies were eating his Buddy still alive. Glenn slid underneath a dumpster. If it wasn’t for his friend being on top of him getting eaten alive? The Zombies would have eaten Glenn)

[@shifting3306]

@@kenduffy5397 dunno where I saw it but it's actually false that rapists and killers would survive over normal people

[@kenduffy5397]

@@shifting3306 I gave you a the thumbs up 👍 because I don’t necessarily agree with the person or persons that wrote that the majority of people wouldn’t be natural born killers and murders. We can agree to disagree. I agree with you (them) for the first 10-15 years, of course there would still be civilized people. But if you (we) think about it seriously? There is no law & order, no Police, no Military etc. I think of it like, the Wild, Wild West were there was no law & order? A person could get shot over a card game, daily pistol duels, bank robberies, stagecoach robberies constantly ( the stage coaching robberies got so bad they had to have someone ride shotgun) even at Tombstone were there was law & order. Tombstone is remembered for one of the greatest shootouts in history. “The shootout at the OK corral” is a major conflict near and dear in American history. I just find it impossible that after a decade our longer without law? That the world wouldn’t be back in the hands of the bad guys. After a decade or more? It would be EXTREMELY dangerous to go anywhere by yourself unarmed! If you had a shotgun or a sidearm? Then you possibly could survive on your own? But even with a shotgun & or pistol, I’d want to be apart of a group of normal people. You know that there’s always more strength in numbers.

[@lucone2937]

I think in the long run zombies should have become weaker and fewer just because of their gradual physical decay. The surviving humans must have learnt how to deal with zombies and how to avoid to make new fresh zombies over the years. Besides zombies have no reason to break all sorts of power plants, factories and machineries, and surely some smart engineers must have stayed alive just like other professionals. A small community with 1000 people would need far less energy to keep the wheels moving on unlike a big city over 100000 people. After the zombie apocalypse there would be also plenty of empty places to choose. It would have been practical to create a settlement that is easy to defend like an island or a mountain top and keep it zombie free.

[@kenduffy5397]

@@lucone2937 That was exactly my point, Luc. I just happened to use the Eastern theatre during WWII as an example. Had BEF been destroyed at Dunkirk. Had the British and its Empire lost against Rommel in North Africa and had “we” (that’s just my own opinion) hesitated any longer? That lunatic may have wiped out an entire race in Europe. So why wouldn't someone m come up with a plan to get rid of all the Zombies in a particular area, like an island as you mentioned or clear a smaller city of all Zombies. The biggest threat wouldn’t be the Zombies after 10-12 years it would be other human beings. Whether bad people living outside of a community and people doing shady s..t inside a community. Though, a strong community would have elected leaders and law and order. Not feudalism, or totalitarianism as the Commonwealth seems to be…? Maybe Both???Everyone has to go back to their previous jobs before the Apocalypse. Which is real but also ridiculous too! If you’re a Doctor or an Engineer then yes. If you may have have been a waitress and you’ve survived and thrived in a Zombie apocalypse? Odds are you are a very strong person and a different person. I don’t know if you watch the show? Some like Magna would be a leader in some capacity. Also, my comment was geared toward people that “completely” depend upon (& belief) our Government and local Police. I’m referring to the type of people that could NEVER live without law enforcement because they are completely dependent on them, entirely. Hey, if see someone is up to no good? Looks kinda shady? I call the Cops like everyone else! But a stranger is not going to walk into my home at any time. They may walk in but they sure aren’t walking out, alive that is! No, I’m not a gun freak at all. I have one shotgun for home protection that’s it. Unfortunately, most people can’t defend themselves anymore. That for me; is so far beyond how I think! I could NEVER imagine leaving my family's lives dependent on the Police to show up! No way! It’s people like that (my wife is like that) that would be the first to go unless they were being protected by loved ones.

[@Juanma_Cardona0725]

If each season was 10 episodes long it would be perfect

[@starpaladinnelaj]

This is what I've always said. The biggest reason the show sucks now is because of how stretched out every arc is. A good example is the Farm Arc, which had no right being that long

[@Budd631]

@@starpaladinnelaj the farm was about maybe 10 episodes...meanwhile the prison es basically 2 full seasons. After Shane did the show got worse

[@scottblanco5991]

Perfectly said. I hate that every season there are about 2-3 episodes that nothing happens. The pacing of each season should have been faster.

[@YT_FALLENX]

But the prison was near perfectly executed so I wouldn’t complain bout that

[@ForeverShadowBanned]

If only AMC weren't such greedy assholes.

[@grizzlyts6984]

i dropped off when carl died i grew up with him and he was a nice place holder for teens who watched the show as they grew up with him and he’s a representation of teens watching and when they killed him off i couldn’t connect to the characters as much as i did with carl

[@victoria2425]

this is how i felt when beth died

[@AcuraAddicted]

Three things: 1) Killing off Glen; 2) Dragging simple and straightforward situations for several episodes, sometimes entire seasons; 3) Zombies spawning out of nowhere in vast open or semi-open areas to the immense surprise of the characters.

[@JamieBarrington]

Having read the comics, I was so excited for Negan's introduction. However, when it arrived on the show, I was underwhelmed. I think JDM played the part brilliantly, but most of my issues were with the actual production quality and music. The first 5 seasons were artistic with so many powerful juxtapositions. By the time Negan was introduced, that quality had gone off the rails. By season 8, I felt like I was watching a cheesy B movie and that's when I quit.

[@kentonkruger8333]

To me he played the character as well as he could, but he was never really threatening enough to me. Maybe it's his size or that he was too old by a few years, but one on one he never really seemed like a threat. In the books you got the feeling he could take on the whole crew by himself but also had the army to back him up. In the show it felt like given an even situation Rick, Daryl, Abraham, Michonne (armed), and maybe even others could have taken him on and won. As well JDM played him too sane; yes he did sadistic things but the character needs that touch of madness, or at least that's the way I read it in the books. Actual delivered dialogue removes a lot of the room for personal interpretation.

[@brandonw6139]

@@kentonkruger8333 ya he played Megan really well but he doesn't have a menacing presence

[@jotarothedixieboo3435]

The show died when glenn died! Its scary how quickly the show’s production quality went downhill.

[@BigfootUnibrowMan]

Yep, never watched part 2 of season 8.

[@jotarothedixieboo3435]

@@BigfootUnibrowMan the frightening thing is the show went from a professional looking well produced drama, to a film school level skit..........

[@Grendelbc]

I hung in until they killed off Carl. That was the last straw for me. You're right about the spin-off watering down interest. Also, Negan was just too much. My friends who followed the show all just wanted him to die - preferably in the most horrible way imaginable.

[@Rich_Man101]

Exactly!

[@theinsfrijonds]

It wasn't just the fact that they did it, it was how they did it as well. They barely depicted anything. There wasn't even really a set. It was just a close-up of a zombie biting Carl. It kind of felt like a race swap but then they Sadiq by making him a doctor. He was basically an upgrade to Carl

[@NoxiousCherry]

Season 7 episode 1 was the last straw for me. From that point on, I read spoilers and planned on binge watching again when Negan died... but that took too long. Negan really did ruin it for me. And not just because he killed both my favorite characters... Humans creating conflicts with EACH OTHER during a zombie apocalypse didn't sit right with me.

[@valley_robot]

Began is one of the best parts of the comic , the TV version is a watered down version and the guy that plays him is not big or scary , the whole idea with Megan in the comics is to point the finger right back at Rick grimes as to what would you do to save the group

[@noahjohnson5603]

For me it was the pacing issues. Every episode, would be forty-five minutes of slow walking and unimportant dialogue and then the final five would have a lot of action and a shocking scene to get you to tune in next week. And that works… for a few episodes. But once you notice just how repetitive the pacing and action is, the show becomes a slog. I stopped watching when Rick left, but there were still some great episodes and scenes therein. They just got muddled down by a real slow pace.

[@LibraGamesUnlimited]

I had the same feeling with "Lost", except with that they also got into this pattern of only having a new episode every other week trying to avoid plot leaks. You would spend a whole episode watching them walk the island talking boring non-sense then the next week a re-run of a previous episode. It was so frustrating.

[@HeyKyle]

Feels like the whole show is paced around how many commercials they can cram in 😂

[@carbon273]

THIS!!! I 100% agree

[@kathleenhartnellharper7234]

One thing that has always bugged me is that no one in all those years mentions the horrible stench that must have permeated the area. Phew!

[@kieranp7136]

Personally I left after Carl died. It was sorta leading up to me leaving at some point already, but that felt like a natural point to step away. I really hated the way they handled Glenn and Abraham's deaths, and they kept rehashing character arcs and undoing their development which was getting really frustrating. And Carl was the last straw, I guess. No hate intended in any direction, this was just my experience.

[@arthurcassuli]

The same here. It was getting too predictable. I could sense when they were going to kill a main character just to justify some war against some other new antagonistic group that arrived. And after they killed Carl it felt just right to stop watching.

[@rayvon_13]

not a real fan

[@sleepyrina]

same here!

[@delta2372]

I heard allot of stuff from the comics on what happens and carl does not die, there was deviations in the show for sure but killing carl off was just to big of a deviation from the source material

[@EdFuller]

Sasha and beth's death, was stupid. Carl's also was a dumb way he died. Also, ppl dropping off bcuz of "shelter" reasons, is pretty unreasonable. Eventually survivors would be looking for a place to hold up. Shoot, even immediately. That would be anyone's reaction.

[@Ellis_McPickle]

Beth’s death was the most dumbest, pointless death ever. I can’t stand the way this show killed off such a good character in such a stupid way. Horrid writing

[@mlem6951]

After Beth's dead i drpped the Serie for a whilr, she was my favorite and her dead was just so ... argh

[@tdsharrard]

I am still not over Beth's death.

[@JM-rp5lo]

It's not that crazy, a lot of people liked the show because it was about a group of people surviving on the road going from place to place barely making it by then it evolves into full blown warfare against two factions supplied with tons of guns and ammo to have huge firefights every few days.

[@nakrat11]

Yes, by this time there is no excuse for not noticing a walker and "accidentally" tripping or whatever and getting bitten. It's like they just wanted to show Carl was a good person for rescuing the doctor, but make it a cheap death. Oddly, I'm not bothered by Beth's death (though it was unjust). She was a character with a kind of stupid death wish and couldn't see what kind of world she was in.

[@jasondefroscia9558]

Seems odd to discuss the death of Glenn without mentioning the fake out that preceded it. I think Jeffrey Dean Morgan did a great job as Negan but other factors started the decline at the same time. I agree dragging out the All Out War story line did the show a huge disservice.

[@teopazdrijan1008]

Yeah, that stuff with Glenn is such bullshit. He 'dies' in that episode when he's with Nicholas and they are surrounded, then they don't show anything about him in a whole episode, then a bit later he gets killed off...

[@kibbit1]

I agree, that actually took away from his real death.

[@CursedPR]

The one who should have been Lucilled was Daryl. I know he is the most popular, and that would have made a lot of people dip as well, but most of those would cling on to see how they avenge everyone's favorite. The point of the Lucille scene was exactly that. The introduction of Negan, a new villain to hate, but he isnt like The Governor or other villains... oh no no no, he would be way bigger. And Kirkman challenged himself into make him non-hateable. It would have also been a nice bridge to make Carol a cold blooded killer again, and most importantly, make everyone in the group fear Negan, since he just disposed the arguebly most toughest SOB in the group. But yeah... they went the safe route d then All Out War ended up being a mess, and the worst mistake of it all... killing Carl. smfh

[@gucciman27]

in my opinion even if negan killed daryl alone people would stop watching i think they should have had merle live to s7, get him killed by negan, resulting in daryl punching him and getting abraham or eugene killed

[@MakeYouFeelBetterNow]

I have no idea how anyone could feel Negan is non-hateable or even likeable. If I was a survivor, Negan and I aren't making it out alive from that episode.

[@mch7933]

killing glen was emotional but it moved the story and i respect that. Killing Carl didn't move anything, especially if you just intend Judith to take his place, what if Judith died earlier like in the comics? Same mistake of killing Carl was made by killing Henry who could have been the best replacement for Carl. I think that was my last season. And the whole model of new group new bad guy was getting old espcially since it added nothing to the story moving forward, take for instance the Saviors ceased to exist after Negan was defeated, they just died out instead of being part of the network of communities.

[@SX-sv6vo]

I stopped watching after they left the prison. I've been listening to recaps and criticisms and here's my general thought from a storytelling perspective. I think killing Carl was a disastrous decision. The Grimes are the heart of the show. Carl should have survived to the end like in the comics. No matter what happened, Carl should have survived to tell the story of The Walking Dead in tribute to his dad and all the fallen. Period. It started with Rick's journey. It should end with his through the eyes and perspective of his children. You have to anchor the heart of the story and that takes time to build. It sounds like Chandler Riggs was wiling to work until the end if the series as well.. AMC messed up big time.

[@Cherubim666999]

Honestly..i only watched as long as i did because the black chick with the sword. I was already bored of the show by the time the prison thing came around. I never even finished that part of it

[@Onyx619]

All this time I thought Chandler Riggs chose to leave to focus on his studies. Im only going off of what I vaguely remember hearing back whenever it was that carl died. I stopped watching the season Glenn died, i didnt even make it to Ricks death, though I have seen the clip. If AMC really did make the final call then yea huge fumble if Chandler Riggs was willing to stay till the end. Its too bad too how this has declined. I was obsessed with this show back in the s2- s6 days

[@name980]

@@Cherubim666999 you miss something in your life boy

[@Cherubim666999]

@@name980 uhhh..sure. Your point mostly

[@caesar8364]

This show should have been just 6-8 season long. People just got bored from the same drama plots over and over again

[@bishbosh4815]

Idk what you were expecting though. The show follows the story of the comics, which was far from complete after the Saviors arc. You know that this show isnt about finding a cure, it's about survival, humanity, and dealing with human and undead threats. That's what the show is, so if you're just going to say it's repetitive then this show was never for you.

[@caesar8364]

@@bishbosh4815 When you bring a comic/ books series to life there has to be minor alterations to characters and story lines. What you read in books doesn't always translate well to movies because it seems stupid on screen versus in books. Best example would be Marvel/Dc, there's so much story to each character, hundreds of comic issues per character with different plots & collaborations but only select story & plots lines make it on screen because some of it would make absolutely no sense in a movie since the average person is looking for continuity. The producers might have gone comic accurate instead of pleasing the fans, but we all know how thats played out for them.

[@bishbosh4815]

@@caesar8364 but they can't win because when they keep it comic accurate people who haven't read the comics don't like it or it doesn't translate well to the show, but when they change things from the comics like changing which character dies or altering the way things happen, or having original storylines, comic readers are upset they didn't see things play out the same as in the comics

[@Rieky22]

@@bishbosh4815 I think if ur was animated it’ll good well with the comics if manga can translate to anime why can’t comics and tv?

[@anakenryzenabad529]

Should've ended on Season 5 when the show was on it's peak popularity and highest ratings. It would've go down as one of the greatest tv shows of all time like Breaking Bad and Mad Men

[@kathleenhartnellharper7234]

As far as I’m concerned the end came when Rick had the bonehead idea to take a horde of dead contained in a quarry and lead them out to be someone else’s problem, it was a jump the shark moment that got a lot of people killed. I really lost my commitment to the show although I checked in and sporadically watched it. The last episode I watched was when Alpha was killed by Negan.

[@revolver_84]

It insulted the viewers intelligence by the end. At 1 point there was about 12 automatic weapons aiming at negan in the open on a walk way only 20 feet away. All knowing that if he died they win the war but none of the 12 of them even hit him never mind kill him. Stuff like that just expects too much reality rejection to be enjoyable.

[@rcl4737]

They probably all have stormtrooper aim!

[@franciscodanconia4324]

That is the exact scene that made me stop watching the show. Plus the fact that apparently adding 1/16" corrugated tin to your car makes it bulletproof and then they all miss once they decide to shoot after Negan is done with his speech.

[@michelwitzik1574]

That's a good point. I am convinced that less but more lethal use of violence from human against human would have fitted the show. We know that from good movies where maybe only 5 shots are fired but theyre leaving 3 deads. Conflicts and Fights getting a way higher tension then. Therfore in Addition to that I would have recommend making less Show of Main characters deaths. Everyones screaming, and moaning, some even kneeling down to the badly wounded character in the middle of a fight. The die Ing one whispers a few last maybe philosophic sentences etc etc. NO! It should have been like people really die. Almost like the group killed negans people in the Radio Station but other way rund too. Hero storms a buildings, gets struck by a bullet, half of head explodes, some of other heroes recognize the fact periphery but they have no time or resources to react or even take care of at this very moment because they still have to fight for their lives.

[@quincycarra9107]

There were a lot of scenes during the big war that had me rolling my eyes like that. Plenty of moments where characters standing 10 feet from each other exchanging fire, and people either somehow avoided getting hit or were hit a few seconds after the shots were fired. They really messed those big actions sequences up bad for me, because it felt so incompetent in the way it was directed and shot. After that, and pretty much every original character being absent, and gave up on the show. Even killed off Jesus in an extremely lame and unsatisfying way, just to make the "new NEW" bad guys hit harder. Never been a fan of killing characters off for plot effect.

[@cloudtx]

Man, this brings back memories. I used to be a hardcore TWD fan back when the show started since I've been a fan of zombie-related media since I was a kid with the Night/Dawn of the dead movies. When people started criticizing and hating the show due to the farm arc in S2 I was right there defending it, I loved that season and its outcome. Yet the show lost me. After the Governor was gone I don't think any of the villains came close to rivaling him, at least for me. I dropped the show at some point after they arrived in Alexandria because I was just not having fun anymore. To hear they killed Carl and even dropped Rick from the show is baffling to me, they were the heart and soul of the story. Hell, Carl was supposed to represent the future Rick was trying to build.

[@peacepipe6695]

They could've made Negan a way cooler character, he had people he looked out for. However, the fact that Negan mentions he has one of the largest populations he led but we never get to see this so-called population he protects. What made the show harder to watch was the fact the writers of the show had no idea what failure they would experience by killing off Hershel, the moral compass of the group. His character development was quite something, he went from feeding zombies, or rather "people" locked up in his barn, to doing anything to protect people at all costs. Ex: When Rick's group was at Hershel's farm discussing the execution of their prisoner was what connected the group from the lost world, said past world where Rick was a cop who killed bad guys and didn't kill his best friend. After he died, I knew they would/did kill characters you thought were cool, ironically making it expected and uninteresting. The next time I was emotionally moved in that show was when Carol kills the girl, who went psychotic.

[@randalthor6872]

They had to kill them off to make the show more "diverse" duh hahaha

[@MGillDesign]

RJ is the future. lol.

[@damerey5232]

Watching the show around season 6 knowing we had Rick, Glenn, Carl, Maggie and the others in that star studded cast made TWD a pleasure to watch

[@NickZwar]

Exactly, Carl and Rick are "core", they are what the story is about. Lose them, and you're left with a soap of random people fighting zombies and other people, there is no real "story" there anymore. I also agree with Season 2, that was a good season, and quite realistic that they would find refuge for a while in a rural farm... that was a good season. I also enjoyed how Shane became a villain in a very realistic way, slowly, step by step. He didn't start as a full psycho, but just slowly made one bad decision after another that brought him down an evil path. Interesting villain.

[@denisem.1042]

I almost quit watching after Rick left, then when my favorite character Michonne left, there were really no compelling characters left. I honestly liked the show more when they were on the road, struggling for survival. After they settled in Alexandria, a lot of that aspect went away. I get it, every series runs a course and eventually ends. I will still watch through to the end.

[@loganentertainment1814]

NGL, my big thing about no longer liking TWD, was (like you said), having 1 episode a week, and overtime, it just felt like it was dragging on SO MUCH to the point where it’s just no longer interesting. It seems the show relies on filler, or it focuses on the characters drama rather than the apocalyptic survival of the show. Overall, I am disappointed with how AMC ruined The Walking Dead, but I will admit, TWD dead city and the Daryl Dixson series was cool, but like you said, AMC is just milking the IP of this franchise to where it’s just no longer as good as it used to be. 😢

[@johnskiotis5492]

Once they reached ASZ and our group was split between ASZ, Hilltop and The Kingdom, something was lost. You seldom ever saw them together and sometimes went weeks without seeing a character.

[@VoodooChild2003]

They definitely could’ve taken a few notes from peak Game of Thrones on how to handle characters in different locations

[@advancedstupidity5459]

Yes, as someone who watched the episodes as they came out on TV, this was so frustrating. I waited all week to find out what Rick was doing just to have another whole episode of a hilltop storyline I didn't really care about. Or when Tara had her string of episodes 🤮. I hated her character.

[@bradtorville5526]

Exactly how I felt. The strength of the show was always in the "family" of survivors and how they dealt with everything as a group. When various factions sprang up, I just didn't care at all about the new characters. They all felt so one-dimensional. Two of the main cast were here. Another three were over there. Someone else was somewhere else, I couldn't be bothered to follow it anymore at that point. And then there was Negan. A buzzkill if ever there was one.

[@Kalakeiko]

​@@bradtorville5526 I get where you're coming from, I personally liked season 9-11, especially season 9, it's one of my favourite seasons, but it's such a shame that the show took such a big nose-dive in season 7-8 and nothing will ever beat the first few seasons for me. Whether you want to give the rest of the series a chance again or not is totally up to you and valid either way :)

[@Kalakeiko]

​@@advancedstupidity5459 I get where you're coming from, I personally liked season 9-11, especially season 9, it's one of my favourite seasons, but it's such a shame that the show took such a big nose-dive in season 7-8 and nothing will ever beat the first few seasons for me. Whether you want to give the rest of the series a chance again or not is totally up to you and valid either way :)

[@anthonythomas1735]

I haven't read any of the comics/graphic novels so my reactions are obviously to the tv show alone. I initially liked the idea that no character was safe from being killed off, it was after aĺl an end of the world as we know it story, Shane dying at the hand of Rick, Laurie dying during childbirth, T-Dog heroicly saving Carol after he was bit all were shocking but BELIEVABLE! After that it seemed like they were killing characters just for the shock value, when it appeared that Glenn had met a grizzly end falling off that dumpster into the herd of Walkers, I was genuinely sad at the prospect of him being gone but then who out there cheered out loud like I did when he crawled out from under the dumpster? Then for him to be killed by Negan not long after just left a sour taste in my mouth, I think that was the beginning of the end for me.

[@mosthated.e.2422]

If your looking for that feeling of knowing no character is safe then I suggest you give the comic book a read.it’s very good

[@GIJoe-nk2pt]

Simple answer. The show was based around Rick and his family in my opinion. Rick left and Carl died. So ya it should have ended when Rick left and Carl should not have died.

[@AFuller2020]

If they had kept Coral, Glenn, Abe and Sasha the viewership would still be on 10 Million, not 800k.

[@dra6ke]

Agreed. And while Daryl was a fan favorite, I always felt he was overestimated. He is a great supporting character to the main guy. They never should have gotten rid of both Rick and Carl. Without Rick, Carl could have stepped into his shoes.

[@AFuller2020]

@@dra6ke Reboot the whole show, it's the only hope.

[@confusedzebra3161]

To be honest ricks last episode ended in the perfect spot to quit the show. I’m curious if that was intentional or not.

[@confusedzebra3161]

@@AFuller2020 I think they’d have to replace a lot of actors. Better idea is to make a cartoon version of the show that strictly follows the comics. They did it for invincible which was also made by Kirkman and that was a success

[@rmh941]

Walking Dead just faced the same problem most dramas face and that's fatigue. Drama shows aren't suppose to go on for 8 or more seasons. 4-7 seasons is that sweet spot. All the great shows that people didn't say really fell off like the Wire, the Sopranos, Breaking Bad, Sons of Anarchy, etc. all lasted 7 seasons or less. The shows that were once great but experience massive drop offs were the one that went 8 season or more in my opinion. 8 seasons is enough time for people to get really pissed off at something that turns them off from the show or get tired of the same storylines, or perhaps storylines being too long and rushed at the end. You see this with Dexter, 24 and Game of Thrones that both lasted 8 seasons and the Walking Dead that lasted 11 seasons. Think about how long walking dead was on, we are talking a decade plus, 12 years in total, can't expect to keep interest going for that long, sitcoms you could but that's different, sitcoms you can sit down and watch any episode and don't need to be too concerned with the storyline.

[@brandonfrancois6645]

Negan is one of my favorite bad guys ever, he’s probably the only character arc I care about rn. You’re completely right! For me losing Rick and Carl ruined it for me. And I didn’t even like Carl that much but the family dynamic was a big deal.. I would’ve loved to see Carl grow up into a full leadership role

[@1104hitman]

I remember when this show was Game Of Thrones big. In the first 2 seasons the day after an episode was always dominated by TWD at school and work for me. I almost miss it, it was feverous. I was getting bored fast after season 4 and like you stated, left during season 7. Negan is too good a character for such a bad couple of seasons. I might go back and catch up one day, but man... No one talks about this show anymore. Such a far cry from its early days. I kinda miss it.

[@theprinceoftides6836]

It was bigger than Games of Throne, it was an event TV. Especially its first 3 seasons. After that it became an average show at best and I got bored and stopped watching, and I ain't the only one.

[@jamesk5510]

It had a show to talk about the show that was crazy

[@BigfootUnibrowMan]

Yeah, at least GOT finished quickly once it got bad. Walking Dead dragged on forever, is it still going? I honestly don't even know, which is a shame as it used to be my favorite show.

[@gfilmer7150]

@@BigfootUnibrowMan Walking Dead is a perfect example of a show that went on for too long, while Game of Thrones is a perfect example of a show that rushed to the finish line because the writers wanted to go do Star Wars and didn't want to give the show to anyone else. I feel both shows would've been good if they were each 9 Seasons.

[@kingslayer011]

@@gfilmer7150 The walking dead got way worse around season 4. Realistically the whole show should have been directed by Frank Darabont and it should have only been 5 seasons like breaking bad was. You don't want a show to drag on too long and you want to tell a neat and compact story without boring long filler episodes and lame seasons

[@volcano8043]

If you're honest, this show started declining at season 4. I can't believe how many years and how many repeated themes and plot dynamics had to be recycled for so many years before people called it quits.

[@Jezza_One]

I quit at the start of season 4. But Season 2 almost did me in.

[@IAMRUSTEDROOT]

@@Jezza_One I had to struggle to make it to season 6. After that, it was no more for me.

[@volcano8043]

@@IAMRUSTEDROOT Same here. I did make it to Season 6 or 7 until I just couldn't take how boring it became. To me, they killed off the most compelling and relatable characters and plot lines, i.e. Shane and Lori by S4 start - they stopped trying to pursue answers to or those accountable for how this whole thing got started, which was the MOST interesting part of the show, to me. That pursuit should have been revisited every other season, instead of just - zombies control the world, let's live with shitty people and deal with it... Forever.

[@drgonzo9148]

Earlier, season 3 when the prison fight was supposed to happen the first time but The Governor’s people ran away after getting shot at a couple times, then he just kills them and starts over at another group

[@RetNemmoc555]

When their journey to the CDC ended in failure, I knew they were going to milk that feeling of hopelessness for way too long. There has to be some goal other than simply surviving one crazy sick dictator after another. I'm not a comic person, but I get how canon is established through that medium. It doesn't have to be that way, though, as many comic book adaptations have bent the rules. Many shows that go out on a high note tend to stay well-regarded and long-lived in syndication. It seems to me that if Walking Dead had concluded by wrapping up the zombie problem (cured, eliminated, etc.) in Season 3-4, the show would be raking in more revenue from the buzz of what a great show it WAS, instead of the whimpering fade-out that it is now.

[@ElliotGoldup]

Season 10: No Rick, no Carl, no Andrea, no Sophia, no Michonne (mostly), no Maggie (until last episode), its basically a different story with ppl like Carol, Daryl and Negan just fighting people wearing zombie masks